2021 will be the year to return to high school football as we remember.

What are your thoughts and predictions?

Take your pedophile stuff somewhere else freak.

Football is for faggots

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Merry Christmas!
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All the Right Moves is a good HS football movie.

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Calista Flockhart was super hot in that movie

Diarrhea.

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Diarrhea cha cha cha
I need tp for my bunghole

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No, it was that chick from back to the future.

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You are right. It was Elizabeth Shoe

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No, it was that chick from back to the future and some kind of wonderful.

Hello football 2021

High School football is about 6 weeks away, you can bet that Doc and the Bruins will be ready! Coming off the college signings of a few of their players, this may be the best Bruins team they have ever had. Be ready for the shock and awe as the 2021 Bruins will not disappoint.

Jump on the Bruin train now, as we will be rolling thru the state

#best staff in the state
#state champs 2021

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She wasn't in that movie

Calista Flockhart was never hot.

And her brown teeth are horrendous.

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> And her brown teeth are horrendous.


Think her pussy stinks?

Who benefits the most by the new alignment for the fall, 2021 season? And who is hurt the most?

Already seeing Coaches posting reminders that Spring Football workouts are beginning!!!

There are some big changes to school realignment but most of them are in the South of our area.
1.Were Northern Virginia has the highest concentration of Class 6 schools, the 757 area now has the biggest number of Class 5 Schools. Virginia Beach & Chesapeake will now make up the whole Region A. Suffolk, Norfolk, and Penninsula schools will be in Region B. Richmond schools will be in Region C. Fredricksburg, Northern Virginia schools all battle for Region D.

2, Stonebridge's path to the State Championship just got much tougher. With Massaponax in Class 5 Region D, AND Highland Springs & renewed Hermatige to deal with, this could provide National recognition to the winner coming out of Reg C vs D ea

Already seeing Coaches posting reminders that Spring Football workouts are beginning!!!

There are some big changes to school realignment but most of them are in the South of our area.
1.Were Northern Virginia has the highest concentration of Class 6 schools, the 757 area now has the biggest number of Class 5 Schools. Virginia Beach & Chesapeake will now make up the whole Region A. Suffolk, Norfolk, and Penninsula schools will be in Region B. Richmond schools will be in Region C. Fredricksburg, Northern Virginia schools all battle for Region D.

2, Stonebridge's path to the State Championship just got much tougher. With Massaponax in Class 5 Region D, AND Highland Springs & renewed Hermitage to deal with, this could provide National recognition to the winner coming out of Reg C vs D each year!

3. Oscar Smith only loses a handful of their dominant team from their Spring FB year. BUT losing Massaponax from Class 6 won't be a cakewalk to repeat. Not sure which team w

Already seeing Coaches posting reminders that Spring Football workouts are beginning!!!

There are some big changes to school realignment but most of them are in the South of our area.
1.Were Northern Virginia has the highest concentration of Class 6 schools, the 757 area now has the biggest number of Class 5 Schools. Virginia Beach & Chesapeake will now make up the whole Region A. Suffolk, Norfolk, and Penninsula schools will be in Region B. Richmond schools will be in Region C. Fredricksburg, Northern Virginia schools all battle for Region D.

2, Stonebridge's path to the State Championship just got much tougher. With Massaponax in Class 5 Region D, AND Highland Springs & renewed Hermitage to deal with, this could provide National recognition to the winner coming out of Reg C vs D each year!

3. Oscar Smith only loses a handful of their dominant team from their Spring FB year. BUT losing Massaponax from Class 6 won't be a cakewalk to repeat. Their biggest competition could come from Manchester!! The 2018 Class Champs will be back in the mix AND be included in the Region A playoffs!!

3. In Region B, Freedom will be under the microscope for their eligibility / transfer issues. But they should return as front runners. Not sure they have any challengers until they have to play Smith!

4. So, what team can challenge South County this Fall? Robinson, Lake Braddock, Westfield and Centreville always come to mind. I'm just not sure which team can slow down the rapid-fire scheme of the Stallions!

Must be Lacrosse season in FFU... Everyone's asleep & aleady forgot about South County's huge failure down in the 757!!?? In December Smith's gonna travel up to Northern Virginia and put on another ass wippin. Y'all better hit the weight room NOW!!

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> Must be Lacrosse season in FFU... Everyone's
> asleep & aleady forgot about South County's huge
> failure down in the 757!!?? In December Smith's
> gonna travel up to Northern Virginia and put on
> another ass wippin. Y'all better hit the weight
> room NOW!!


Your're weight room are silent. Remember SoNO beat Soco 62-21. And y'all play LaCrosse? Them Smith boys weights are clankn right now!!

Most of the kids up here play 2-3 sports. They don’t die for just football....it’s just the way it is.

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You just made my point for me. 62-21. Them Smith boys are in the weight room & prepping for spring workouts!

Smith reloads...

C/o 23 WR, Tory Johnson, 6'5", 205 (wasn't a 2020 starter),
Offers:
Pitt
Maryland
Virginia

Just received an invite to Rivals' Underclassman 5 Star Challenge showcase!!

We'll see you in December for the repeat!

I'm a cheerleader for the Chicago team. and it seems to me that they showed a good result this season. New transfers have done their job

Doesn't the 757 have a place to post about their location? Are all the computer literate people that could set it up in jail for dog fighting? We realize those "Smith" boys are hitting the weights. Why worry about books? If you don't get one of the 10 or so (maybe) scholarship offers OS gets each year, there is always the military down the street. Or, you can go into training. As in dogs, not humans.

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> Doesn't the 757 have a place to post about their
> location? Are all the computer literate people
> that could set it up in jail for dog fighting? We
> realize those "Smith" boys are hitting the
> weights. Why worry about books? If you don't get
> one of the 10 or so (maybe) scholarship offers OS
> gets each year, there is always the military down
> the street. Or, you can go into training. As in
> dogs, not humans.


62-21 with kids with IVY League, B10, SEC, ACC offers. See you in December for the repeat!

62-21

www.highschoolfootballamerica.com Top 300 Programs List. Not a single Class 6 Football Team made their list from NorthernVA! Y'all enjoy your LaCrosse season.
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I see the recruiting is going well for OS...don’t deny it. I see schools up North doing the same damn thing but I’m different sports. It happens. It’s tainted. It’s whatever.

Some schools already have their individual school football schedules (at posted to Twitter, etc.)... VHSL master schedule is not up yet.

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> doing the same damn thing but I’m different
> sports. It happens. It’s tainted. It’s
> whatever.

We call it transferring. I think the active stuff has little credibility @ Smith. They likely lost a couple of state titles over those kids that transferred out of their program. If there is a school that is shady in that area, it's Maury HS. The pro athletes had some nephews go through there & they likely got involved in bringing that program from nothing to a state title in a flash. But as those kids graduate, they'll return to below average.

I do expect kids & their families to move into the zone so they can play @Smith. Here's the thing, their feeder programs produce top talent. Especially the 757Colts, some of those kids feed IMG & St Francis A.. I am hoping they choose to come back to Chesapeake. If that would happen, Smith would be back in the top National Rankings!

757 = niggers

1 out 0f a million go to college for sports, the others end up in the culture - babies by 3 mamas, drugs, jail and welfare.

RE: "62-21 with kids with IVY League, B10, SEC, ACC offers. See you in December for the repeat!"

-Please name these kids. How about all the kids at D1 from two years ago. Offers are just that. Scores get you in.

-if 10 kids get D1 offer and acceptance from two years ago I'll be floored.

-If true for the last ten years, your coaches suck. The teams beating you in finals have 3 D1 kids max.

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> ACC offers. See you in December for the repeat!"
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> at D1 from two years ago. Offers are just that.
> Scores get you in.
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> -if 10 kids get D1 offer and acceptance from two
> years ago I'll be floored.
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> suck. The teams beating you in finals have 3 D1
> kids max.

62-21 enough said. That's from an IB school. If you don't know what that is, then you didn't apply to get in the program!

Dude, football is over, comeback during football season.
Nobody wants to hear all your nonsense anyways. You won one game out of 5 in a pandemic shortened season, the record books will always have an asterisk next to your teams name.

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> season, the record books will always have an
> asterisk next to your team's name.


Ahhh, is the snowflake, lacrosse player offended or just tired of hearing about how badly Smith dominated South County? Dude, as you put it, I'm not going away.

62-21 & the c/o 22 is coming back for the repeat in your backyard this December. Better get used to it. The most dominant HS football team in Virginia reloads in the Fall.

Paolo Dizon tried to make SoCo look as good as he could in this recap vid. But remember it was 62-21.

https://twitter.com/OscarSmithFB/status/1398001597301592067?s=19

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Family and friends contact as we compile a list to give the attorneys and authorities.
Eventually it all comes to light anyways get a head start.
Together we can make an impact.
Spread the message through June.

Expecting some National News for this upcoming, Fall HS season. Stay tuned!

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Still waiting for the official announcement. It's about time a Virginia HS Football got National recognition again! You can bet it's not going to include a NorthernVA team.

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Don't be upset that your mom loved the bbc
I'm sure you think about it....

Coincidenses
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Dazzle your friends.
Learn.
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Learn kids.
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Look for a ritual or accident on July 1.

Need a date?
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This makes as much sense as anything i've ever seen n FFU. Inert meaningless info to get even more meaningless info. It's a never-miss formal that no one understands or cares about. Keep it up until you can prove you actually predicted something. Then, you should stop it.

Your AYF 14U Spring Football National Champs 757Colts.... The main feeder program to Smith, Maury, O. Lakes, etc. Let's see how many make it to the Tiger's roster vs IMG or St Francis A.?? I'm thinking with the HUGE upcoming announcement, more will be enrolling @ Smith!!
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Just a weird coincidence.
Don't hate on this site.
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Usless bullshit but perfect for FFU. No on cares or understands that crap.

Educate done hate.

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RE: "62-21 enough said. That's from an IB school. If you don't know what that is, then you didn't apply to get in the program!"

-IB program = Please offer something to get smart kids to go to our school. SC, LB, WTW, ROBO have smart kids from smart feeder schools.

YOU STILL CAN"T NAME 10 KIDs THAT ATTENDED D1 schools from each year. Name 5 for each of the last five years. D1 as in we can see their name on a roster. You can't. Offers don't mean shit if you ain't got the grades or boards.

Stick to dog fighting in the 757.

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> If you don't know what that is, then you didn't
> apply to get in the program!"
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> kids to go to our school. SC, LB, WTW, ROBO have
> smart kids from smart feeder schools.
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> YOU STILL CAN"T NAME 10 KIDs THAT ATTENDED D1
> schools from each year. Name 5 for each of the
> last five years. D1 as in we can see their name
> on a roster. You can't. Offers don't mean shit if
> you ain't got the grades or boards.
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> Stick to dog fighting in the 757.


Somebody's hurt ass is showing. Westfield may not win another state title this decade. South County is 1 and done. What other team can compete with what is coming their way. Damn, 757colts win the 14U National Championship, too. LaCrosse is all that's left in NorthernVA. You better go with that. They don't play it down there. Not enough $$$ to support it.

Did I see right that the Falls Church coach took the Hayfield job? If so, who is the new HC at FC?

The new FC Coach is Franklin Weaver, former DC at South Lakes.

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Think he nailed the “jail” part.
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VT seems to know how to recruit football players who go on to have a criminal record. Or they simply have a systemic racist problem & need to be closed down. I'm not sure but the NAACP could get involved and that's when you know theyre done.

Time for your weekly HS Football update. High School Football America just released their Top 125 teams. Oscar Smith just missed making it inside their Top 100 list @ #103. No other team made it. Thank you. Have a good day.
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He played for the 757 Colts if I remember.

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If I remember = I am guessing 100% because there is a 757 in both subjects. How about looking up ANY social media posts from him to suggest a connection to them? I know it's not as fun but at least you'll have a small bit of credibilty instead of ZERO you have by trolling on someone elses mistakes!

Remember, pointing out someone elses flaws doesn't mean YOUR not the dumbass in the room! That's why people look at you funny. You say stupid shit!

Here it IS.
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Hope you guys win and put VA back on the map!! Question for you OS...will next seasons team be as good as this past one? I remember Centreville played Gonzaga after they won states and lost by a few touchdowns. They were not as good the following season, close, but still made it too the championship.

Georgia Sentinel is reporting that legendary HS football coach Rush Propst is headed to the VA Tidewater area to coach at a private school?

This guy wins big, where ever he goes, but seems to wear out his welcome as well.

Anyone in the 757 hearing anything about this?

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> Hope you guys win and put VA back on the map!!
> Question for you OS...will next seasons team be as
> good as this past one? I remember Centreville
> played Gonzaga after they won states and lost by a
> few touchdowns. They were not as good the
> following season, close, but still made it too the
> championship.


Maurice Freeman, J. Hilliard, D. Howard, T. Norfleet, M Kimball & T. Richardson are the biggest losses as Seniors. But there are definitely capable backups at most all those positions. Non-Starter WR already has ACC offers. But IF they can grab back Desmond Ricks from IMG & Camron Warren from St Francis A., I like their chances vs anyone in the country. The OL / DL will not fall off much in the Fall. To me, ILB will be the key to keeping the success from the Spring. It's time for another breakout player at that position & it could be from a freshman that comes up. But, we'll have to see about that.

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> Georgia Sentinel is reporting that legendary HS
> football coach Rush Propst is headed to the VA
> Tidewater area to coach at a private school?
>
> This guy wins big, where ever he goes, but seems
> to wear out his welcome as well.
>
> Anyone in the 757 hearing anything about this?
I call BS unless you have a link from your source, it doesn't exist.

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> > Hope you guys win and put VA back on the map!!
> > Question for you OS...will next seasons team be
> as
> > good as this past one? I remember Centreville
> > played Gonzaga after they won states and lost by
> a
> > few touchdowns. They were not as good the
> > following season, close, but still made it too
> the
> > championship.
>
>
> Maurice Freeman, J. Hilliard, D. Howard, T.
> Norfleet, M Kimball & T. Richardson are the
> biggest losses as Seniors. But there are
> definitely capable backups at most all those
> positions. Non-Starter WR already has ACC offers.
> But IF they can grab back Desmond Ricks from IMG &
> Camron Warren from St Francis A., I like their
> chances vs anyone in the country. The OL / DL will
> not fall off much in the Fall. To me, ILB will be
> the key to keeping the success from the Spring.
> It's time for another breakout player at that
> position & it could be from a freshman that comes
> up. But, we'll have to see about that.

Let's see who transfers into their program after today's announcement. Those that remember Andrew Brown, should know that his father told him about Smith playing on ESPN. It was that game vs Lake Taylor that convinced his dad to relocate so Andrew could play on National TV. That game got him nationally recognized after having great camps!! BTW A. Brown plays for the Indy Colts now.

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> Georgia Sentinel is reporting that legendary HS
> football coach Rush Propst is headed to the VA
> Tidewater area to coach at a private school?
>
> This guy wins big, where ever he goes, but seems
> to wear out his welcome as well.
>
> Anyone in the 757 hearing anything about this?

Wow Rush Propst in the 757, ill bet that gets the OS people sweating.
Players transfer down there at the drop of a hat.

Fake news, there is no news of this anywhere.

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> > Georgia Sentinel is reporting that legendary HS
> > football coach Rush Propst is headed to the VA
> > Tidewater area to coach at a private school?
> >
> > This guy wins big, where ever he goes, but
> seems
> > to wear out his welcome as well.
> >
> > Anyone in the 757 hearing anything about this?
>
> Wow Rush Propst in the 757, ill bet that gets the
> OS people sweating.
> Players transfer down there at the drop of a hat.


People transfer a lot in NorthernVA, too. But, for Baseball, basketball, etc. Who wants to move their family to Lorton for football and get beat like a drum the way South County did last month?

I’d rather make $125k in Lorton as opposed to $80k in Chesaspook. Not everything comes down to hs sports. We will really need a new thread come fall with a complete expulsion of 757 people & the LB mom (who I really think took an alter-ego as the 757 clown). Whatever beats South County! But ya, this thread is all but done

Lolwut Wrote:
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> I’d rather make $125k in Lorton as opposed to
> $80k in Chesaspook. Not everything comes down to
> hs sports. We will really need a new thread come
> fall with a complete expulsion of 757 people & the
> LB mom (who I really think took an alter-ego as
> the 757 clown). Whatever beats South County! But
> ya, this thread is all but done


I couldn't have said it any better. But because NorthernVA HS Football IS DONE, I'll hang around. It's tough being just spectators to what's going on in 804 & 757 but I'm here to keep you updated.

As for pay vs lifestyle, I am so sorry you have your priorities so backward!! You assume your government jobs have you set for life but you all are coming down here to relax??? Hmmmm, you can have the commuting stress & your social strife. I'll take my nearly same salary with no college debt with my trades type job. I get to enjoy the beach, off shore fishing, total access to dinners on my waterfront deck, etc.. You couldn't pay me enough $$$ to leave my lifestyle. Go ahead & work yourself to death for your mortgage. Mine is getting paid off in 2 months and I'll retire with a couple of rental home incomes on top of my pension!!!

Oh, AND I get to enjoy great HS Football in the 757.

Don't get me wrong though. There IS some small amount of envy for your area. Our kids don't have access to swimming pools at our high schools. I'm sure South County was shocked by the difference in the facilities in Chesapeake vs Lorton, too. We have no HS Hockey or LaCrosse. Y'all made fun of our grass field, too. But, I am glad I am not you!!!

Weekly reminder & entertainment.

Clear video of Miska's targeting, headhunting penalty. He should have been ejected!! It looks like South County brought their own ref's... multiple late hits with thrusting forearms. I'd have to say that it looks like the Stallions lost their focus & were more interested in hurting people than playing football. I am really impressed with how the players & coaches responded and kept their composure! We see this with about 25% the schools they play and NorthernVA should have found better representatives to send to Chesapeake!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJkoD9JStXc&feature=youtu.be

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=2f33082a-6670-440a-aad7-01b12ac7b5c8

Oscar Smith’s Ethan Vasko is the Abe Goldblatt All-Tidewater Player of the Year
By Larry Rubama
757Teamz
Jun 04, 2021 at 10:08 AM
Oscar Smith's Ethan Vasko sneaks away for a touchdown during the first half of their game against South County at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., on Saturday, May 1, 2021.
Oscar Smith's Ethan Vasko sneaks away for a touchdown during the first half of their game against South County at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., on Saturday, May 1, 2021. (Kristen Zeis/The Virginian-Pilot)

Ethan Vasko felt a wide range of emotions, from disappointment to anger, after Oscar Smith’s one-point loss to South County in the 2019 Class 6 state championship game.

He used all of these feelings as motivation as he went back to work to get ready for the following season. And when the season was pushed from fall to spring because of COVID-19, Vasko didn’t stop working.
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“It was non-stop,” he said recently. “I would lift, then go to speed drills and then I would throw.”

Eighteen months after that 13-12 loss to South County, Vasko helped the Tigers get revenge as they dominated South County 62-21 to win the Tigers’ third state title last month.
Oscar Smith's quarterback Ethan Vasko falls just short of a touchdown during their game against South County at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., on Saturday, May 1, 2021.
Oscar Smith's quarterback Ethan Vasko falls just short of a touchdown during their game against South County at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., on Saturday, May 1, 2021. (Kristen Zeis/The Virginian-Pilot)

“It was an awesome game because everyone played well,” said Vasko, who finished with 246 passing yards and three touchdowns, and also rushed for 173 yards and three more scores. “There is no other way to go out than that.”

Vasko is the Abe Goldblatt All-Tidewater Player of the Year, becomingthe Tigers’ sixth honoree, and the program’s fourth quarterback to win the award.

“I’m always confident in what I can do and confident in what I did,” said Vasko, who accounted for 2,230 total yards and 34 touchdowns — and no interceptions. “I definitely thought I had a chance to win it, and I’m excited that I was able to get it.”
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Vasko, a junior, becomes just the second Tigers quarterback to win a state a state title and the coveted award in the same season. The other was Jaylian “J.J.” Williamson in 2011. Phillip Sims, who led Oscar Smith to a state title in 2008, didn’t win the award until 2009.

“There have been super talented, record-breaking quarterbacks at Oscar Smith,” Tigers coach Chris Scott said. “Obviously with Phillip Sims and Shon Mitchell, just to name a few. ... Now Ethan gets to put his name amongst that list as a state champion and All-Tidewater Player of the Year.”

Prior to this season, Vasko had just three college scholarship offers. Now the 6-foot-4, 210-pound dual-threat quarterback has picked up seven more, including those from Virginia Tech, Buffalo, Connecticut and William & Mary.
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Oscar Smith quarterback Ethan Vasko throws the ball during the Class 6 state championship game on May 1. Kristen Zeis/Staff file (May 1, 2021)
Oscar Smith quarterback Ethan Vasko throws the ball during the Class 6 state championship game on May 1. Kristen Zeis/Staff file (May 1, 2021) (Kristen Zeis/The Virginian-Pilot)

And last month, he participated in the Elite 11 in Nashville. The three-day event brings in the top rising senior quarterbacks to receive one-on-one tutoring, with on-field drills, off-field development and classroom instruction in a highly competitive setting. Elite 11 event alumni include 24 of the 32 current NFL starting quarterbacks, and 13 of the past 14 quarterbacks who have hoisted the Heisman Trophy.

“It was an awesome competition with some of the best quarterbacks in the nation out there,” said Vasko, rated a three-star prospect by 247Sports. “So, I felt I competed well.”

With all of the attention, Vasko hasn’t let it distract him as he prepares for his senior season.

He and Scott can’t wait to see what next season holds for Vasko and the Tigers.

“When you have your starting quarterback returning, you know you always have a chance to be in it,” Scott said about trying to repeat next season. “Hopefully he’ll have a chance to put together a full collective season. It’s going to be pretty exciting to watch.”

Added Vasko, “Hopefully we can do it again next year,” he said. “I can’t wait to get back at it.”

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> All-Tidewater Player of the Year
>

Shouldn't he really be playing for Currituck HS in North Carolina where the rest of his family lives?

Nice, but you go nothin but sour grapes! Get some cheese to enjoy your whine!

Just keeping everyone entertained.
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It amazes me how much talent flies into a public school. From top to bottom it seems there’s not much of a drop off from starter to back up for Oscar Smith. I don’t recall any teams up north being like that. Sure you had Westfield teams that were solid and have top notch coaches. Centreville had a few good teams too. South County isn’t there yet. They have succeeded when the area teams are down. Madison should have won that game IMO. I’m only talking about Division 6 teams. Stonebridge is usually loaded for Div 5. I know the prep teams can recruit that helps them. Your thoughts......

Football practice starts in August, come back then with your questions.
Everyone else here is focused on Baseball, Lacrosse, summer swim and AAU Basketball

See ya in September!!!

NOVA talent is divided up amongst a bunch of High Schools. It's more difficult to consolidate talent in FCPS due to stricter enforcement of residency and the high cost of housing. Also, there simply is not as much scholarship level talent in FCPS. Nova has good HS players but few who have the measurebles to be scholarship players. When the most talented beach team makes the state championship and is coached well the NOVA teams will always be the underdogs.

nufan Wrote:
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> It amazes me how much talent flies into a public
> school. From top to bottom it seems there’s not
> much of a drop off from starter to back up for
> Oscar Smith. I don’t recall any teams up north
> being like that. Sure you had Westfield teams that
> were solid and have top-notch coaches. Centreville
> had a few good teams too. South County isn’t
> there yet. They have succeeded when the area teams
> are down. Madison should have won that game IMO.
> I’m only talking about Division 6 teams.
> Stonebridge is usually loaded for Div 5. I know
> the prep teams can recruit that helps them. Your
> thoughts......

Unfortunately, I think it has a lot to do with so-called middle school handlers who run training camps & side hustle sports specialty training gyms. Similar to AAU & Travel Teams in other sports. Not sure what their angle is but those guys have a lot of influence to where a kid ends up playing. Parents DO relocate to provide the best opportunity for their kids. Obviously it easy to make change if your renting vs owning a home.

Down in 757, it can be fluid but it's usually with whomever is most popular at the tume. Landstown, Ocean Lakes, Bayside all had really good teams & they seamed to prosper via VaBeach Mustang's kids all decided to play at that school. For Chesapeake, it's the 757Colts kids.

Believe it or not, Rich Morgan decided not to accept whatever those guys were selling. That was the main reason Ocean Lakes & then Bishop Sullivan got so good so quickly. Both feeder programs sent players there. Plus, Morgan was a tough ass. If a kid blew up during a game & became a discipline problem, kicked them off the team during the game. Some kids couldn't handle it & there became a trend of top players transferring out. That 2015 team had 3 All Tidewater Players from the previous year playing on other teams. All 3 ended up playing power 5 Div I Football! If those kids had stayed & J. Sweat hadn't gotten hurt, they could've matched this Spring 21 team!!!

Then after Morgan left it was a small miracle any of those other teams played 15 games!! Other coaches were poaching talent out in an attempt to replace Smith's dominance. Now, Coach Scott has kinda consolidated the talent pool & he has the attention of the feeder programs. The only issue is now the very best kids leave for IMG & St. Francis & Life Christian A... IF and that's a big IF, he somehow can get them to return to Chesapeake, Smith will be a perennial National Top 10 team like Hampton was for many years! Regardless, I think kids will now be looking to play for Smith & Lake Taylor moving forward more than any other team. Those National games w

nutfan Wrote:
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> nufan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It amazes me how much talent flies into a
> public
> > school. From top to bottom it seems there’s
> not
> > much of a drop off from starter to back up for
> > Oscar Smith. I don’t recall any teams up
> north
> > being like that. Sure you had Westfield teams
> that
> > were solid and have top-notch coaches.
> Centreville
> > had a few good teams too. South County isn’t
> > there yet. They have succeeded when the area
> teams
> > are down. Madison should have won that game IMO.
>
> > I’m only talking about Division 6 teams.
> > Stonebridge is usually loaded for Div 5. I
> know
> > the prep teams can recruit that helps them.
> Your
> > thoughts......
>
> Unfortunately, I think it has a lot to do with
> so-called middle school handlers who run training
> camps & side hustle sports specialty training
> gyms. Similar to AAU & Travel Teams in other
> sports. Not sure what their angle is but those
> guys have a lot of influence to where a kid ends
> up playing. Parents DO relocate to provide the
> best opportunity for their kids. Obviously it easy
> to make change if your renting vs owning a home.
>
> Down in 757, it can be fluid but it's usually with
> whomever is most popular at the tume. Landstown,
> Ocean Lakes, Bayside all had really good teams &
> they seamed to prosper via VaBeach Mustang's kids
> all decided to play at that school. For
> Chesapeake, it's the 757Colts kids.
>
> Believe it or not, Rich Morgan decided not to
> accept whatever those guys were selling. That was
> the main reason Ocean Lakes & then Bishop Sullivan
> got so good so quickly. Both feeder programs sent
> players there. Plus, Morgan was a tough ass. If a
> kid blew up during a game & became a discipline
> problem, kicked them off the team during the game.
> Some kids couldn't handle it & there became a
> trend of top players transferring out. That 2015
> team had 3 All Tidewater Players from the previous
> year playing on other teams. All 3 ended up
> playing power 5 Div I Football! If those kids had
> stayed & J. Sweat hadn't gotten hurt, they
> could've matched this Spring 21 team!!!
>
> Then after Morgan left it was a small miracle any
> of those other teams played 15 games!! Other
> coaches were poaching talent out in an attempt to
> replace Smith's dominance. Now, Coach Scott has
> kinda consolidated the talent pool & he has the
> attention of the feeder programs. The only issue
> is now the very best kids leave for IMG & St.
> Francis & Life Christian A... IF and that's a big
> IF, he somehow can get them to return to
> Chesapeake, Smith will be a perennial National Top
> 10 team like Hampton was for many years!
> Regardless, I think kids will now be looking to
> play for Smith & Lake Taylor moving forward more
> than any other team. Those National games w

Those National games will just make it more attractive for the kids & their parents to play @ Smith. But don't forget that Coach Scott has great coaches. That entire staff from BSHS are now with him!!

Am I wrong or is nutfan and Oscar Smith the same person? Can't believe some moron from the 757 has taken over the Fairfax County football forum and is now talking to himself on here.

Anyway, I noticed that Coach Mike Burnett (Broad Run state champs 2008, 2009 / Tuscarora state runnerup 2014, 2017, 2019) is back in the area now at Briar Woods after a 1 year California hiatus. That's no doubt good for Briar Woods.

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“Am I wrong or is nutfan and Oscar Smith the same person? Can't believe some moron from the 757 has taken over the Fairfax County football forum and is now talking to himself on here.”

Oh no, you definitely aren’t the only one that thinks this, Very weird

Don’t fret, when the COVID checks dry up, O.Smith/nut fan will have to go back to his street corner, and won’t have as much time for this board.

I am not going anywhere. This is the only place I can go. My wife & kids stopped listening to me about HS Football years ago. So, just sit back & enjoy the show.

Now that’s funny!! My wife doesn’t sit next to me at the games!!

>>>Now that’s funny!! My wife doesn’t sit next to me at the games!!

My wife also doesn't like to attend football matches with me. However, this is a consequence of the fact that our support group consists of almost all guys. She is not interested in beer and rude jokes) However, I watch most of the football matches live at home or in the sports bar. The schedule of matches is always at hand here - https://www.ua-football.com/en/betting/bookmakers/16-pinnacle Sometimes I place bets using this service, but not so often (because of my wife).

CONCORDE DISTRICT

CENTREVILLE
8/27 BYE
9/3 vs. STONE BRIDGE
9/10 @ MOUNT VERNON
9/17 @ WAKEFIELD
9/24 vs. HERNDON
10/1 @ W.T. WOODSON
10/8 @ CHANTILLY
10/15 vs. MADISON
10/22 vs. SOUTH LAKES
10/29 @ OAKTON
11/5 vs. WESTFIELD

CHANTILLY
8/27 BYE
9/3 @ FALLS CHURCH
9/10 vs. WASHINGTON-LEE
9/17 @ ROBINSON
9/24 vs. MARSHALL
10/1 vs. T.C. WILLIAMS
10/8 vs. CENTREVILLE
10/15 @ SOUTH LAKES
10/22 vs. OAKTON
10/29 @ WESTFIELD
11/5 @ MADISON

MADISON
8/27 @ STONE BRIDGE
9/3 vs. LAKE BRADDOCK
9/10 vs. YORKTOWN
9/17 BYE
9/24 @ LANGLEY
10/1 @ MARSHALL
10/8 vs. OAKTON
10/15 @ CENTREVILLE
10/22 @ WESTFIELD
10/29 vs. SOUTH LAKES
11/5 vs. CHANTILLY

OAKTON
8/27 @ W.T. WOODSON
9/3 vs. ROBERT E. LEE
9/10 vs. LANGLEY
9/17 @ YORKTOWN
9/24 BYE
10/1 @ WEST SPRINGFIELD
10/8 @ MADISON
10/15 vs. WESTFIELD
10/22 @ CHANTILLY
10/29 vs. CENTREVILLE
11/5 vs. SOUTH LAKES

SOUTH LAKES
8/27 vs. ROBINSON
9/3 BYE
9/10 vs. T.C. WILLIAMS
9/17 @ HERNDON
9/24 vs. MCLEAN
10/1 @ LAKE BRADDOCK
10/8 vs. WESTFIELD
10/15 vs. CHANTILLY
10/22 @ CENTREVILLE
10/29 @ MADISON
11/5 @ OAKTON

WESTFIELD
8/27 vs. UNITY REID
9/3 @ WASHINGTON-LEE
9/10 vs. MARSHALL
9/17 @ SOUTH COUNTY
9/24 vs. YORKTOWN
10/1 BYE
10/8 @ SOUTH LAKES
10/15 @ OAKTON
10/22 vs. MADISON
10/29 vs. CHANTILLY
11/5 @ CENTREVILLE




LIBERTY DISTRICT

HERNDON
8/27 vs. MCLEAN
9/3 @ T.C. WILLIAMS
9/10 @ OSBOURN PARK
9/17 vs. SOUTH LAKES
9/24 @ CENTREVILLE
10/1 vs. WAKEFIELD
10/8 @ YORKTOWN
10/15 vs. WASHINGTON-LEE
10/22 BYE
10/29 @ LANGLEY
11/5 vs. MARSHALL

LANGLEY
8/27 @ YORKTOWN
9/3 @ FAIRFAX
9/10 @ OAKTON
9/17 vs. GEORGE MASON
9/24 vs. MADISON
10/1 BYE
10/8 @ WASHINGTON-LEE
10/15 vs. WAKEFIELD
10/22 @ MARSHALL
10/29 vs. HERNDON
11/5 vs. MCLEAN

MARSHALL
8/27 vs. WASHINGTON-LEE
9/3 @ MCLEAN
9/10 @ WESTFIELD
9/17 vs. HAYFIELD
9/24 @ CHANTILLY
10/1 vs. MADISON
10/8 BYE
10/15 vs. YORKTOWN
10/22 vs. LANGLEY
10/29 @ WAKEFIELD
11/5 @ HERNDON

MCLEAN
8/27 @ HERNDON
9/3 vs. MARSHALL
9/10 vs. FAIRFAX
9/17 vs. WEST POTOMAC
9/24 @ SOUTH LAKES
10/1 vs. YORKTOWN
10/8 @ WAKEFIELD
10/15 @ EDISON
10/22 BYE
10/29 vs. WASHINGTON-LEE
11/5 @ LANGLEY

WAKEFIELD
8/27 @ FAIRFAX
9/3 @ WEST POTOMAC
9/10 vs. W.T. WOODSON
9/17 vs. CENTREVILLE
9/24 @ WASHINGTON-LEE
10/1 @ HERNDON
10/8 vs. MCLEAN
10/15 @ LANGLEY
10/22 vs. YORKTOWN
10/29 vs. MARSHALL
11/5 BYE

WASHINGTON-LEE
8/27 @ MARSHALL
9/3 vs. WESTFIELD
9/10 @ CHANTILLY
9/17 vs. WEST SPRINGFIELD
9/24 vs. WAKEFIELD
10/1 BYE
10/8 vs. LANGLEY
10/15 @ HERNDON
10/22 vs. J.E.B. STUART
10/29 @ MCLEAN
11/5 @ YORKTOWN

YORKTOWN
8/27 vs. LANGLEY
9/3 vs. WILSON (DC)
9/10 @ MADISON
9/17 vs. OAKTON
9/24 @ WESTFIELD
10/1 @ MCLEAN
10/8 vs. HERNDON
10/15 @ MARSHALL
10/22 @ WAKEFIELD
10/29 BYE
11/5 vs. WASHINGTON-LEE




PATRIOT DISTRICT

FAIRFAX
8/27 vs. WAKEFIELD
9/3 vs. LANGLEY
9/10 @ MCLEAN
9/17 BYE
9/24 @ FALLS CHURCH
10/1 vs. EDISON
10/8 @ WEST POTOMAC
10/15 @ W.T. WOODSON
10/22 vs. LAKE BRADDOCK
10/29 vs. ROBINSON
11/5 @ WEST SPRINGFIELD

LAKE BRADDOCK
8/27 vs. HAYFIELD
9/3 @ MADISON
9/10 BYE
9/17 @ NORTH STAFFORD
9/24 @ ANNANDALE
10/1 vs. SOUTH LAKES
10/8 vs. T.C. WILLIAMS
10/15 @ ROBINSON
10/22 @ FAIRFAX
10/29 vs. W.T. WOODSON
11/5 vs. SOUTH COUNTY

ROBINSON
8/27 @ SOUTH LAKES
9/3 @ ANNANDALE
9/10 @ J.E.B. STUART
9/17 vs. CHANTILLY
9/24 vs. EDISON
10/1 BYE
10/8 @ WEST SPRINGFIELD
10/15 vs. LAKE BRADDOCK
10/22 vs. W.T. WOODSON
10/29 @ FAIRFAX
11/5 vs. WEST POTOMAC

SOUTH COUNTY
8/27 @ WOODBRIDGE
9/3 @ HAYFIELD
9/10 BYE
9/17 vs. WESTFIELD
9/24 vs. J.E.B. STUART
10/1 @ MOUNT VERNON
10/8 vs. W.T. WOODSON
10/15 @ WEST SPRINGFIELD
10/22 vs. WEST POTOMAC
10/29 vs. T.C. WILLIAMS
11/5 @ LAKE BRADDOCK

T.C. WILLIAMS
8/27 vs. ANNANDALE
9/3 vs. HERNDON
9/10 @ SOUTH LAKES
9/17 vs. J.E.B. STUART
9/24 BYE
10/1 @ CHANTILLY
10/8 @ LAKE BRADDOCK
10/15 vs. WEST POTOMAC
10/22 vs. WEST SPRINGFIELD
10/29 @ SOUTH COUNTY
11/5 @ W.T. WOODSON

W.T. WOODSON
8/27 vs. OAKTON
9/3 BYE
9/10 @ WAKEFIELD
9/17 vs. FALLS CHURCH
9/24 @ ROBERT E. LEE
10/1 vs. CENTREVILLE
10/8 @ SOUTH COUNTY
10/15 vs. FAIRFAX
10/22 @ ROBINSON
10/29 @ LAKE BRADDOCK
11/5 vs. T.C. WILLIAMS

WEST POTOMAC
8/27 vs. ROBERT E. LEE
9/3 vs. WAKEFIELD
9/10 @ COLONIAL FORGE
9/17 @ MCLEAN
9/24 vs. MOUNT VERNON
10/1 BYE
10/8 vs. FAIRFAX
10/15 @ T.C. WILLIAMS
10/22 @ SOUTH COUNTY
10/29 vs. WEST SPRINGFIELD
11/5 @ ROBINSON

WEST SPRINGFIELD
8/27 vs. MOUNT VERNON
9/3 @ EDISON
9/10 BYE
9/17 @ WASHINGTON-LEE
9/24 @ HAYFIELD
10/1 vs. OAKTON
10/8 vs. ROBINSON
10/15 vs. SOUTH COUNTY
10/22 @ T.C. WILLIAMS
10/29 @ WEST POTOMAC
11/5 vs. FAIRFAX




NATIONAL DISTRICT

ANNANDALE
8/27 @ T.C. WILLIAMS
9/3 vs. ROBINSON
9/10 @ ROBERT E. LEE
9/17 vs. EDISON
9/24 vs. LAKE BRADDOCK
10/1 @ O'CONNELL
10/8 vs. MOUNT VERNON
10/15 @ HAYFIELD
10/22 vs. FALLS CHURCH
10/29 @ J.E.B. STUART
11/5 BYE

EDISON
8/27 vs. J.E.B. STUART
9/3 vs. WEST SPRINGFIELD
9/10 BYE
9/17 @ ANNANDALE
9/24 @ ROBINSON
10/1 @ FAIRFAX
10/8 vs. FALLS CHURCH
10/15 vs. MCLEAN
10/22 @ MOUNT VERNON
10/29 @ ROBERT E. LEE
11/5 vs. HAYFIELD

FALLS CHURCH
8/27 @ GEORGE MASON
9/3 vs. CHANTILLY
9/10 vs. HAYFIELD
9/17 @ W.T. WOODSON
9/24 vs. FAIRFAX
10/1 vs. ROBERT E. LEE
10/8 @ EDISON
10/15 vs. J.E.B. STUART
10/22 @ ANNANDALE
10/29 BYE
11/5 @ MOUNT VERNON

HAYFIELD
8/27 @ LAKE BRADDOCK
9/3 vs. SOUTH COUNTY
9/10 @ FALLS CHURCH
9/17 @ MARSHALL
9/24 vs. WEST SPRINGFIELD
10/1 BYE
10/8 @ J.E.B. STUART
10/15 vs. ANNANDALE
10/22 vs. ROBERT E. LEE
10/29 vs. MOUNT VERNON
11/5 @ EDISON

J.E.B. STUART
8/27 @ EDISON
9/3 vs. MOUNT VERNON
9/10 vs. ROBINSON
9/17 @ T.C. WILLIAMS
9/24 @ SOUTH COUNTY
10/1 BYE
10/8 vs. HAYFIELD
10/15 @ FALLS CHURCH
10/22 @ WASHINGTON-LEE
10/29 vs. ANNANDALE
11/5 vs. ROBERT E. LEE

MOUNT VERNON
8/27 @ WEST SPRINGFIELD
9/3 @ J.E.B. STUART
9/10 vs. CENTREVILLE
9/17 vs. ROBERT E. LEE
9/24 @ WEST POTOMAC
10/1 vs. SOUTH COUNTY
10/8 @ ANNANDALE
10/15 BYE
10/22 vs. EDISON
10/29 @ HAYFIELD
11/5 vs. FALLS CHURCH

ROBERT E. LEE
8/27 @ WEST POTOMAC
9/3 @ OAKTON
9/10 vs. ANNANDALE
9/17 @ MOUNT VERNON
9/24 vs. W.T. WOODSON
10/1 @ FALLS CHURCH
10/8 vs. THOMAS JEFFERSON
10/15 BYE
10/22 @ HAYFIELD
10/29 vs. EDISON
11/5 @ J.E.B. STUART

The real MVP! Any word on any intriguing scrimmmges?

Madison (9-1)
Westfield (8-2)
Chantilly (7-3)
Centreville (5-5)
South Lakes (4-6)
Oakton (2-8)

South County (10-0)
Robinson (9-1)
West Springfield (7-3)
Lake Braddock (6-4)
TC Williams (4-6)
West Potomac (3-7)
Woodson (4-6)
Fairfax (3-7)

Old Woodbridge coach Gary Wortham has accepted the position at Bishop Ireton

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> Old Woodbridge coach Gary Wortham has accepted the
> position at Bishop Ireton

Wow. That's a nice job for Wortham. If true.

Wortham is the interim coach...

Nice tee shirts OSHS is selling. WE RUN VA….Most Dominate team since 2004. That’s elementary school BS!! You won 3 state titles. That’s what people remember. Not the district games, not the region games, not the state title appearances. Why don’t you put on there you lost 5 state titles. That would be honest. I think Highland Springs, Phoebus and Westfield might have a say. The all have won more state titles than you since 2004. Maybe in a few more years of D1 transfers you can claim the outright crown with more state titles. Just saying and getting you fired up for the fall!! Congrats to the kid going to Clemson.

first post, second page

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> fall!!

^^^
This is one way we know you are just the Oscar Smith fan arguing with yourself. That and the unlikely chance anyone in Fairfax County has the slightest clue what T's you are selling in the 757. But go on. I wonder if you will respond?

https://youtu.be/EQ18lfkgIoE Money Medal
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Dude, Westfield had their run and they barely beat Smith despite those teams having different head coaches each year between 2015-17, major injuries & multiple transfers out of their program! The Bulldogs haven't even played in 15 games since 2017!!!

South County will likely keep returning to the State Title game because no one in NorthernVA can solve their simple, fast-paced offensive scheme. Smith won't be going anywhere because they have the support from both of the top middle school feeder programs. AND, I do expect that they will continue to get transfers who want that ring.

Y'all won't even play Highland Springs or even Freedom for that matter!!

So, now name a team that has played 15 games more than Smith since 2004? The only team I can think of who is close is Salem but no one in your area would consider them because they are in Class 4!

Nobody up here wants to travel to play Highlands Springs. Nobody wants to play a division 4 team in Salem. Heck only a few teams will play Stonebridge. It’s all about power points. Freedom had a few good years. Got busted for illegal players and the kids are going to other schools. Traveling around this area on a Friday night sucks!! You play schools close too you and there’s 30 of them. Nice excuses on losing to Westfield. Sure OS has won a lot of games…but I stand by my point. Their record is 3-5 when it counts the most. That could be 10-5 in 7 years. Who knows.

All the Right Moves is a good HS football movie.

Patriot Division Pre Season predictions - These are only my thoughts, I am not trying to offend any program. All have their own merits. I will do the Concord next

1. South County - Will reload for another run at the state title, lots of athletes in every position. 1 of the top players in the state

2. Robinson - Will run the wing T and only throw when they have to. Solid defense will keep them at the top

3. West Springfield - Solid coaching wins them games, they play within their system and do a good job. Look for the QB to have a great year

4. Alexandria City High School(TC Williams) - Always has athletes, but do they have a coaching staff that is disciplined enough to teach the fundamentals. 6-4/5-5

5. Lake Braddock - I think the days of LB being a top team has passed them by. They always have some of the best talent in the region, but they have underachieved for the past 3 years. They have a good young RB, but I am not sure the QB is good enough to stop teams from keeping 7-8 in box. Might be time for a coaching change 5-5

6. Fairfax - The coaching staff every year seems to make the most of what they have, which isn't a lot. The will get win against Woodson and WP and maybe 2 wins out of district 4-6

7. West Potomac - Ill be honest I dont know enough about them right now. But they haven't been very good the last 3 years 2-8/3-7

8. Woodson - New coach, but it will be the same old Woodson. Every couple of years they get a few good athletes and do well for a season. I dont think this is the season they do well. It will be a long season for then, they will be lucky to be 2-8/3-7

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Wooww, i stayed off FFU for a couple of weeks & the sight went to shit.

Just thought I'd update y'all & give ya something to debate.

Smith is #36 in MaxPreps National Rankings. Hummmm, I can't find South County in this list. Maybe it's because they lost to Smith 62-21!!!???

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=546b7f48-229b-4990-8c37-a99a72034344

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Why would max preps put South County or any Nova school on their list. They never do. No Stonebridge who beat Highland Springs last year. No team up here in Div 6 will be that good anyways. OS belongs on it…right up there with all the teams that recruit ( transfers as OS calls it). Since this site has gone upside down, did you know Cville won states in basketball 2 years in a row, Madison won states in Baseball, Yorktown won states in lacrosse…All teams from Nova, just saying. With all that said, hope OS does beat the number 3 team in the country!!

What new coach will have the biggest impact year one? Feels like we had a lot of coaching changes.

Nufan...

You're right... NoVa schools going to and winning states...

...girls sports even more so... Example: State champion James Madison field hockey undefeated and unscored on... and that team is ranked higher nationally than their baseball team.

how many 20 year olds on oscar smith?how many can actually spell football?how many with ankle bracelets

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> how many 20 year olds on oscar smith?how many can
> actually spell football?how many with ankle
> bracelets

100% evidence Northern VA has given up on football. No worries, I'll keep y'all updated. FYI, VHSL has posted the HS Football Schedule. Smith has an open date on Sept 3. Look for another big game announcement. We rarely win those but at least we don't play lacrosse!

We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit better. Why do you think they hired him. To get over the hump. No high school up her would hire him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.

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> >>>Now that’s funny!! My wife doesn’t sit next
> to me at the games!!
>
> My wife also doesn't like to attend football
> matches with me. However, this is a consequence of
> the fact that our support group consists of almost
> all guys. She is not interested in beer and rude
> jokes) However, I watch most of the football
> matches live at home or in the sports bar. The
> schedule of matches is always at hand here -
> https://www.ua-football.com/en/betting/bookmakers/
> 16-pinnacle Sometimes I place bets using this
> service, but not so often (because of my wife).


She doesn’t go with you because you are Douche bag. It is a football GAME. It isn’t tennis.

I heard Woodson is going to Crush everyone!

Master Football Schedule is posted:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/120x1dLa592Z52wmzauu52ElbHIV2Ym8b/view

Interesting schedule from Stone Bridge - they play Madison, Centreville, Freedom-Woodbridge, Colonial Forge and Broad Run outside of their district play.

nufan Wrote:
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> We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit
> better. Why do you think they hired him. To get
> over the hump. No high school up her would hire
> him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA
> teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.


Do you speak English?

nufan Wrote:
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> We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit
> better. Why do you think they hired him. To get
> over the hump. No high school up her would hire
> him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA
> teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.


Teams don't recruit directly. Westfield knows this best. The club team/ middle school coaches that run their outside "training" programs direct where the kids go to high school. The HS coaches that have the best relationships with those guys win. Before IMG, those Miami school programs set the model that the rest of the country is following now.

Northern VA schools are just suffering from growth problems that prevents a dominant training program from developing. But I agree with your statement about playing for second place. Smith is reloading with class 24 & 25 kids getting P5 D1 offers. If those kids stay in SoNo, they'll make a run streak like Hampton & Phoebus!!

MaxPreps All Sophomore Team:

Smith reloads... Desmond Ricks was a incoming Freshman that transferred to IMG when covid delayed the VHSL 2020 season. He trains with S. Civil & A. Brown, who made this list!! Imagine if Ricks came back to Chesapeake for the fall!!?? Would there be a better defensive backfield in the country???
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South County starts off with a scrimmage at Highland Springs, good way to start

Almost Time Wrote:
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> South County starts off with a scrimmage at
> Highland Springs, good way to start


What are the other Scrimmages that will get some attention? Is Westfield still playing teams like DeMatha?

Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several years. Westfield, although still a very strong program, is not quite what they used to be when the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best it was really not that competitive. There is just too much disparity in size and speed and depth, even for a very good program like Westfield, to compete on that level.

The best scrimmage in this area will certainly be SC vs HS.

7CJTB Wrote:
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> Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several
> years. Westfield, although still a very strong
> program, is not quite what they used to be when
> the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best it
> was really not that competitive. There is just too
> much disparity in size and speed and depth, even
> for a very good program like Westfield, to compete
> on that level.
>
> The best scrimmage in this area will certainly be
> SC vs HS.

Good to see South County reaching out to play tough games. Looks like Westfield continues to shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll continue to watch one of their their biggest rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids will be looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly more now, too!

NuttFan Wrote:

>Good to see South County reaching out to play tough games. Looks like Westfield >continues to shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll continue to watch one >of their their biggest rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids will be >looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly more now, too!

You literally have zero idea what you are talking about, troll.

NuttFan Wrote:
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> 7CJTB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several
> > years. Westfield, although still a very strong
> > program, is not quite what they used to be when
> > the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best
> it
> > was really not that competitive. There is just
> too
> > much disparity in size and speed and depth,
> even
> > for a very good program like Westfield, to
> compete
> > on that level.
> >
> > The best scrimmage in this area will certainly
> be
> > SC vs HS.
>
> Good to see South County reaching out to play
> tough games. Looks like Westfield continues to
> shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll
> continue to watch one of their their biggest
> rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids
> will be looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly
> more now, too!

Westfield literally showed them how it's done. Sportsmanship son. Westfield always does it right. They play each other again this year. Should be a good game although I do give SoCo the edge. They have a lot of talent in Lorton.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/south-county-football-wins-first-state-title/article_fb414870-2364-11ea-a8f0-631aa62d5b30.html

That following offseason, Pannoni and his coaching staff studied Westfield. They watched them practice and talked to Westfield’s coaches to gain ideas and insights.

XXXHW Wrote:
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> NuttFan Wrote:
>
> >Good to see South County reaching out to play
> tough games. Looks like Westfield >continues to
> shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll
> continue to watch one >of their their biggest
> rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids
> will be >looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly
> more now, too!
>
> You literally have zero idea what you are talking
> about, troll.

If you are on FFU, you are a troll by defintion. So welcome to the family!!! Nice rebuttal. "You literally have zero idea what you are talking
about.". But I am plugged into more than you think!


I know that Highland Springs has consistently reached out to Westfield to schedule games several times over the last 5-7 years. AND every time, the response was that travel was the biggest concern. So, YES, Westfield HAS shunned HSHS requests.

AND yes, Westfield HAS fallen off substantially from their last State title in 2017!!!! In fact, even that 2017 team was not up to par despite beating Smith that year. That Smith team was in complete disarray with their 3rd different head coach in 3 years and an unusual amount of transfers OUT of that team despite getting that LATE, controversial DB transfer. All Smith had to do was keep to a run game that had been successful any time they tried & the Bulldogs had zero answer! Poor coaching didn't recognize that & Smith lost.

Claims about Sportsmanship with Westfield football is a total and complete illusion. Those top teams were fed by top tier handlers & trainers and coaches from the middle school club programs. The same thing happens now to keep the coaches at arms length from recruiting in the pure sense.

Additionally, those of us that know the game saw all the shit that Westfield has gotten away with from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one sided holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which occur with a runner held up while others strip the ball due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL those types of calls somehow happened to occur to help stop the momentum of their opponents or help give Westfield the win!!???

Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very late in both of those games!!!

Smith reloads with Sophomore Transfer:

During the Covid-19, Spring, shortened football season, Oscar Smith saw their Nationally ranked, incoming Freshman that began their fall training camp on their starting roster, transfer to IMG academy. Desmond Ricks played on IMG's National Championship team. At this point, it appears he will continue his time in Bradenton, FL.

However, the Tigers reload with another top tier Sophomore in Asaad Brown ,III. A transfer from Portsmouth Christian, Brown already holds over 20 offers from DI & P5 programs. Recently both Ricks and Brown were named to MaxPreps Sophomore All American Team!!!

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/zL-eGSDyskKUe2XWYiwrPQ/high-school-football--elijah-brown,-davion-gause-headline-2021-preseason-maxpreps-sophomore-all-america-team.htm

What is the prediction for Haymarket ?

Nuttfan Wrote:
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> Additionally, those of us that know the game saw
> all the shit that Westfield has gotten away with
> from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one sided
> holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which occur
> with a runner held up while others strip the ball
> due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL
> those types of calls somehow happened to occur to
> help stop the momentum of their opponents or help
> give Westfield the win!!???
>
> Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo
> was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very late
> in both of those games!!!

^^^
Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser. Embarrassing for you.

Predictions for Hayfield ?

Dont sleep on Woodson, this could be their year!
They had strong frosh and JV teams last season.
Could go deep in the playoffs!

oscar smith team is full of re-class and no class
most of the starters are 19 and 20 and are mostly illiterate even after re-classing so they can be superstars playing against younger kids
ghetto

vbydw Wrote:
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> Nuttfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Additionally, those of us that know the game
> saw
> > all the shit that Westfield has gotten away
> with
> > from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one
> sided
> > holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which
> occur
> > with a runner held up while others strip the
> ball
> > due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL
> > those types of calls somehow happened to occur
> to
> > help stop the momentum of their opponents or
> help
> > give Westfield the win!!???
> >
> > Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo
> > was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very
> late
> > in both of those games!!!
>
> ^^^
> Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> Embarrassing for you.


Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home every December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit out for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows when they'll play for a championship again!!???

No worries, Hopefully the Championship game will be in Northern VA in December so you all can see what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!

notttt Wrote:
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> > ^^^
> > Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> > Embarrassing for you.
>
>
> Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home every
> December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most
> Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a
> reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit out
> for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows when
> they'll play for a championship again!!???
>
> No worries, Hopefully the Championship game will
> be in Northern VA in December so you all can see
> what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!

It's almost like you think winning states in 2021 (with a big fat covid asterisk) means losing in 2015, 2016, 2017 (and 2019) didn't happen. Sorry nothing changes the past. It happened. Things change. Move on. Get over it. Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread is dead. No one around here cares about Oscar Smith. GTFO with with the OS garbage. People are tired of it. You're worse than Lake Braddock fool that posted the same thing 100X a week. You have been posting the same garbage for 5 stinking years.

EP6GL Wrote:
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> notttt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > ^^^
> > > Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> > > Embarrassing for you.
> >
> >
> > Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home
> every
> > December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most
> > Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a
> > reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit
> out
> > for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows
> when
> > they'll play for a championship again!!???
> >
> > No worries, Hopefully the Championship game
> will
> > be in Northern VA in December so you all can
> see
> > what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!
>
> It's almost like you think winning states in 2021
> (with a big fat covid asterisk) means losing in
> 2015, 2016, 2017 (and 2019) didn't happen. Sorry
> nothing changes the past. It happened. Things
> change. Move on. Get over it. Damn it - you are
> 50% of the reason this thread is dead. No one
> around here cares about Oscar Smith. GTFO with
> with the OS garbage. People are tired of it.
> You're worse than Lake Braddock fool that posted
> the same thing 100X a week. You have been posting
> the same garbage for 5 stinking years.


Man, Thank you. When you set goals, you have a chance to achieve them! I have been working so hard to get this reaction on FFU. But at this point, it only encourages me!! So, I will continue to keep you all informed on Smith's successes. It's all you have because Northern VA football is DONE. Enjoy the ride!

O.Smith Wrote:
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> Man, Thank you. When you set goals, you have a
> chance to achieve them! I have been working so
> hard to get this reaction on FFU. But at this
> point, it only encourages me!! So, I will continue
> to keep you all informed on Smith's successes.
> It's all you have because Northern VA football is
> DONE.

Oscar Smith versus Fairfax County in the last 10 years: 2-5

Oscar Smith is full of 20 year old re-class no class wanna bees,the starters think they are super stars preying on 16 year olds,ankle bracelets are standard,as far as education u already know thats a joke,coaches have 0 class,wead smoking in the locker room,20 year old players stalking 15 year old cheerleaders,you have been warned

“Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread is dead.”

100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!

TRUE Wrote:
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> “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread
> is dead.”
>
> 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!

Let's once the season starts!!

I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be hosting an VHSL Football championship game any time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting those games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class 5 & 6!!!!

I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about this!! With no High School or College venue large enough to host those games, y'all may never get to host one!!

Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!

O. Smth Wrote:
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> TRUE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this
> thread
> > is dead.”
> >
> > 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!
>
> Let's once the season starts!!
>
> I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be
> hosting an VHSL Football championship game any
> time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting those
> games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be
> hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class 5
> & 6!!!!
>
> I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about this!!
> With no High School or College venue large enough
> to host those games, y'all may never get to host
> one!!
>
> Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!

Oscar Smith vs. Westfield All Time: 0-4

d6kwm Wrote:
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> O. Smth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TRUE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this
> > thread
> > > is dead.”
> > >
> > > 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Let's once the season starts!!
> >
> > I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be
> > hosting an VHSL Football championship game any
> > time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting
> those
> > games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be
> > hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class
> 5
> > & 6!!!!
> >
> > I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about
> this!!
> > With no High School or College venue large
> enough
> > to host those games, y'all may never get to
> host
> > one!!
> >
> > Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!
>
> Oscar Smith vs. Westfield All Time: 0-4

Smith IS the most dominant team in Virginia!!! Westfield won 4 games but by no means have they've been dominant. No one expects a Bulldogs team, full of mostly underclassmen to play 15 games like Smith did in 2019!! The Tigers feeder program is producing kids going to IMG & St Francis Academy and getting offers as 8th & 9th graders.

Name a team in your area that can come close to that!!!
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Perhaps we could return to talking about the upcoming season... say the key games... in, ohhhh...FAIRFAX COUNTY...???

For example now that South Lakes is in Concorde District, what are their chance against Westfield, Chantilly, Centerville Madison? My guess is 1-3, best 2-2.

Does South County still have the talent to run the table in their District?

Football Points of Emphasis - 2021
By NFHS on June 01, 2021

Sportsmanship

When considering sportsmanship, many may first think only of the game participants (athletes and coaches) within the timeframe of the game. However, proper sportsmanship also includes the pregame warm-up period, postgame handshake activity, spectator behavior (both students and adults), parents of athletes, public-address announcements and announcers, and bands. All of the above constituents have a role in promoting good sportsmanship.

Players and coaches are the most visible in their displays of sportsmanship. Their behavior sets the tone for fans, game officials and others. As recognizable personalities, it is an expectation that coaches model good behavior. Players must represent their schools and communities as ambassadors of good sporting behavior beginning with pregame activities and concluding with end-of-game activities.

Game officials generally do not assume control until taking the field approximately 30 minutes prior to the scheduled kickoff. Therefore, coaching staffs and game administrators must be vigilant and responsible for ensuring proper sportsmanship during this time. Once the contest begins, school administrators are responsible for the proper conduct of all spectators. This may take the form of reading a sportsmanship public-address announcement prior to the contest and remaining vigilant for possible issues during the contest. Student bodies and spectators in general should be reminded that any behaviors conducted at the expense of the opponents is unacceptable and will be addressed accordingly.

Public-address announcers are responsible for delivering pertinent game-related information – not to be a play-by-play person or cheerleader. Taking liberties with biased and/or inflammatory announcements must not be tolerated. Their purpose is not to editorialize the quality of play or incite the home crowd in any way.

Working with the band/music director, the school administration must set proper guidelines and ensure compliance regarding when live or recorded music may be utilized.

Good sportsmanship does not occur on its own. Only with specific planning and coordination by all constituents is good sportsmanship achievable. Good sportsmanship is about respect. Good sports win with humility, lose with grace and do both with dignity.

Intentional Grounding

Due to the growing prevalence of televised football, one of the most misunderstood rules at the high school level is intentional grounding. Under NFHS rules, intentional grounding is a foul whenever a legal forward pass is thrown into an area not occupied by an eligible receiver, or when a pass is thrown to prevent a loss of yardage or to conserve time. The only exception to this rule is when the passer intentionally throws the ball forward to the ground immediately after receiving the snap.

Under NFHS rules, it is a foul if there was no eligible receiver in the area of the pass, regardless of the passer’s position on the field. Across the country, we are seeing more high school quarterbacks throw the ball away to avoid a sack when outside the pocket, thinking this is legal based on what is seen on television. High school referees need to be aware of these situations and, with the help of the line judge and linesman, make the correct call under NFHS football rules. This is a foul that should be called after the game officials have gathered and discussed the play. When a foul does occur, the penalty flag needs to be thrown by the referee. The penalty is 5 yards from the spot of the foul and a loss of down.

Ineligible Downfield and Line of Scrimmage Formation

In order for the offensive team to have a legal scrimmage formation at the snap (assuming the numbering exception is not being used), at least five Team A players, numbered 50-79, must be on the line of scrimmage. Also, no more than four Team A players may be backs. Only one player may not be on the line but still penetrate the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line. This player must be in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap, but does not have to actually receive it. By rule, he is the only player allowed to be positioned in “no man’s land” at the snap. All other players not on the line must be clearly positioned as backs.

Some clarification was recently provided in identifying when an ineligible Team A player is illegally downfield on a pass play. By rule, ineligible Team A players may not advance beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward pass play before a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone is in flight. The neutral zone expands 2 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage following the snap. The position of the ineligible Team A player at the moment of the legal pass is the primary factor in determining if the player is illegally downfield. When identifying Team A players who are illegally downfield, it is important to make sure that the Team A player is clearly beyond the expanded neutral zone (2 yards) at the moment that the pass is in flight. Players can travel multiple yards in a quick period of time. These players can be legally within the expanded neutral zone when the pass is thrown but beyond as the pass moves downfield. If B touches the pass in or behind the neutral zone, this restriction is terminated.

Changes to Class 6 for VHSL Football for the upcoming Fall 2021 season.

Manchester who won the 2018 State Title is back in Class 6 to challenge Oscar Smith in Region A!

Massaponax is now in Class 5 which is big relief for Region B teams!!

Gainesville is a new school & will play in Region B

Freedom Loudon Co. is also in Region B


What 8 teams will make up the Fall Playoffs in Class 6 this Fall?
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LOONDON POUND CAKE | SOUR DIESEL REVIEW

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Football matters!!!

If you're playing on a turf field, you are dying just a little bit faster than those of use that enjoyed REAL grass!!

https://twitter.com/MaxPreps/status/1405986002657816578?s=19

Scrimmage season is coming!!! Smith is preparing for 15 games. Send any team down to ODU y'all want. It won't matter! We prefer Westfield because putting up triple their score like what South County got would be Sweet!!

Kids are transferring INTO Smith now... Getting the #1 DB on c/o 24. AND all the top players from the Spring are now Seniors!!! #1 Team in Virginia!!!

https://twitter.com/OscarSmithFB/status/1405993720076513282?s=19

South County is now 0-2 in their last two games. Scrimmage vs Highland Springs, they were scoreless!! Springers 2 TD's South County 0..

BATTLEFIELD

Aug. 12 Robinson, 5 p.m.

Aug. 20 Lake Braddock, 5 p.m.

BRENTSVILLE

Aug. 13 Gainesville, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Loudoun Valley, 6 p.m.

COLGAN

Aug. 13 at Manassas Park, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Herndon, 7 p.m.

FOREST PARK

Aug. 13 Colonial Forge, 7 p.m.

Aug. 20 vs. James Monroe @ Maury Field (Fredericksburg), 7 p.m.

FREEDOM

Aug. 12 vs. Ocean Lakes and Deep Creek at Ocean Lakes HS, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Patrick Henry-Ashland, 11 a.m.

GAINESVILLE

Aug. 13 at Brentsville, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Hylton (freshman/junior varsity), 5 p.m.

GAR-FIELD

Aug 13 Osbourn, 6 p.m.

Aug 19 at Osbourn Park, 7 p.m.

HYLTON

Aug. 12 at Lake Braddock, 7 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Robinson, 6 p.m.

MANASSAS PARK

Aug. 13 Colgan, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Dominion 6 p.m.

OSBOURN

Aug. 13 at Gar-Field, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Wakefield, 6 p.m.

OSBOURN PARK

Aug. 13 at Falls Church, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Gar-Field, 7 p.m.

PATRIOT

Aug. 13 at Liberty-Bealeton, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Colonial Forge, 6:30 p.m.

POTOMAC

Aug. 12 at Justice, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Edison, 6 p.m.

UNITY REED

Aug. 12 vs. Riverside/Heritage at Riverside, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Chantilly, 6 p.m.

WOODBRIDGE

Aug. 12 Alexandria City High School, 7 p.m.

Aug. 19 Fauquier, 7 p.m.

Almost Time Wrote:
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> South County starts off with a scrimmage at
> Highland Springs, good way to start


1. it was @ South County
2. NO one seemed to care about it on FFU.
3. South County stunk up the field like horse manure vs HSHS with no a single score & from what I have heard, there was no chance to do so either.

High School Football's Most Hostile Environments
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Damn, Soco scrimmaged them REALLY early in the year, that’s interesting. Was anyone there?

https://youtu.be/uDTClsaNcyo
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High School Football America Mid-Atlantic Top 25 powered by NFL Play Football

No. 1 Gonzaga (Washington, DC)

No. 2 Chambers (North Carolina)

No. 3 DeMatha (Maryland)

No. 4 St. Frances Academy (Maryland)

No. 5 Good Counsel (Maryland)

No. 6 St. John’s College HS (Washington, DC)

No. 7 Charlotte Catholic (North Carolina)

No. 8 Hough (North Carolina)

No. 9 Oscar Smith (Virginia)

No. 10 Life Christian Academy (Virginia)

No. 11 Grimsley (North Carolina)

No. 12 Highland Springs (Virginia)

No. 13 Cardinal Gibbons (North Carolina)

No. 14 McDonogh (Maryland)

No. 15 Myers Park (North Carolina)

No. 16 Mount St. Joseph (Maryland)

No. 17 Wake Forest (North Carolina)

No. 18 Rolesville (North Carolina)

No. 19 South County (Virginia)

No. 20 Archbishop Spalding (Maryland)

No. 21 Stone Bridge (Virginia)

No. 22 Quince Orchard (Maryland)

No. 23 Butler (North Carolina)

No. 24 St. Mary’s Ryken (Maryland)

No. 25 Middletown (Delaware)

Editor’s Note: The High School Football America national, regional and state rankings are developed using our proprietary algorithm.

"Editor’s Note: The High School Football America national, regional and state rankings are developed using our proprietary algorithm."

Your KNOW their algorithm doesn't include the scrimmage last week re: SoCo getting spanked by Highland Springs, right?

Zero respect for Stone Bridge on this list!!!

VaPilot Coach of the Year!!!!!


Scott led the Tigers to the program’s first state championship since 2011 in dominating fashion. Oscar Smith posted four shutouts in five regular-season games — at one point going 17 consecutive quarters without allowing a point.
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This loser has ruined the thread, nobody cares!!!!

O. Smith Loser Wrote:
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> This loser has ruined the thread, nobody cares!!!!


Don't be such a Northern VA Sloppy wristed panty ass!!! You must have nothing to post about your team!!! No worries, Nationally Ranked & #1 team in VA will keep you entertained. Surely y'all will post when Smith loses & that could definitely be vs St John Bosco. But at least we play them!!

Even South County was bold enough to schedule Highland Springs. It just didn't go the way they'd hoped!! IF they play 15 games & make it to ODU in December, expect more of what they got in May!!!

Prove me wrong. Or do you have your hand on you pud too much to challenge me?

TOMORROW’s SLATE!!!! Scrimmages...


1. centreville @ annandale
2. hylton @ lake braddock
3. lee @ george mason
4. lightridge @ langley
5. loudoun county @ wakefield
6. mclean @ oakton
7. potomac @ stuart
8. robinson @ battlefield
9. stone bridge @ tuscarora
10. tc williams @ woodbridge
11. woodson @ marshall


FYI, just ignore the Oscar Smith nigger. Don’t entertain the clown and maybe him and Bruin Mama can stir something up. Just don’t acknowledge the guy.

Friday’s scrimmage slate... FOR NOVA

1. briar woods @ west potomac
2. chantilly @ fairfax
3. mount vernon @ friendship collegiate
4. osbourn park @ falls church
5. park view @ hayfield
6. south lakes @ south county
7. washington-lee @ edison
8. west springfield @ herndon
9. westfield @ john champe
10. woodgrove @ madison

@ O. Smith,

All shit aside dude, do you think anyone here even remotely gives a fuck what you have to say? Go to a 757 thread, don’t ruin this one.

FRI(YAY) Wrote:
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> Friday’s scrimmage slate... FOR NOVA
>
> 1. briar woods @ west potomac
> 2. chantilly @ fairfax
> 3. mount vernon @ friendship collegiate
> 4. osbourn park @ falls church
> 5. park view @ hayfield
> 6. south lakes @ south county
> 7. washington-lee @ edison
> 8. west springfield @ herndon
> 9. westfield @ john champe
> 10. woodgrove @ madison


Woodgrove vs Madison
South Lakes vs South County
Tusky vs Stonebridge

Those should be interesting

Thomas Dale just beat Highland Springs 2 scores to 1!!!

This might put into perspective, South County putting up a donut vs the Springers!!! Dale is good but not great!!! They are the Lake Braddock of the South Region!!

Damn, is HSHS taking a step down? The LB comparison is ironic bc they literally lost to Dale in the state championship some years ago haha

nuttfan Wrote:
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> Thomas Dale just beat Highland Springs 2 scores to
> 1!!!
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> This might put into perspective, South County
> putting up a donut vs the Springers!!! Dale is
> good but not great!!! They are the Lake Braddock
> of the South Region!!

3 scores to 1

Thomas Dale 18
Highland Springs 6

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> Damn, is HSHS taking a step down? The LB
> comparison is ironic bc they literally lost to
> Dale in the state championship some years ago haha

If Lake Braddock was as tough as Thomas Dale, they would have won at least a couple of State Titles!! Dale kids CAN tackle & they lay some wood on ya! LB on the other hand has some of the worsted tackling fundamentals I've ever seen! Somehow, they think throwing an arm out at runners is tackling???

Will Coach Overton get through the whole season without getting caught again for recruiting players?

Who did he poach this year?

Apparently SOCO shut it down after several players got the vid. No practice, no scrimmage.

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> Apparently SOCO shut it down after several players
> got the vid. No practice, no scrimmage.

That's terrible for Brock Spalding!!! His senior year could be done before it gets started!!! Should athletes be allowed to transfer to another school in this kind of situation???

What schools should Spalding consider???

Kenny Easley’s career as one of the best defensive backs in football history began at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake. After earning all-state honors, he moved on to UCLA and set school records with 19 interceptions and 324 tackles. Easley was named All-Pac 10 four times, from 1977 to 1980, and All-American three times.

The Seattle Seahawks took him with the fourth pick in the 1981 NFL draft, and he went on to be named the AFC’s Defensive Rookie of the Year. Throughout his pro career, he was recognized as one of the top safeties in the NFL. He played in five Pro Bowls and was selected first-team all-pro four times. In 1984, he was honored as the NFL’s Defensive Player of the Year. His career was cut short by a kidney condition that forced his retirement in 1987 and ultimately required a transplant.

In his seven-year career, he had 32 interceptions, including three that he returned for touchdowns. After his retirement, he returned to Hampton Roads and has had a successful career in business.

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Any NFL HOF Players that went High Schools in Northern VA??

Aka Lightning from the Crossroads

Before Alvin Kamara, there was Charlie Garner.

Both were mid-round picks out of Tennessee. Both were (are) diminutive, dynamic all-purpose backs. Both played for offensive masterminds and made a big impact for not-quite championship-caliber teams. Heck, Kamara and Garner were almost the same guy!

Or perhaps our memories of Garner are a little cloudy. Yes, he was one of the most effective all-purpose runners of his era, with five top-10 finishes in rushing DVOA and four top-10 finishes in receiving DYAR. But times were tougher for everyone, especially tiny scatbacks, in the days when running back workloads weren't well monitored, marijuana use was considered a serious character issue, and concussions often went undiagnosed.

This is the story of an outstanding player who spent his career shunning a spotlight that some of his teammates and coaches couldn't stop hogging.

Garner was atypically focused and driven as a youth. When Garner was 11 years old, according to a 1995 profile by Frank Fitzpatrick of the Philadelphia Inquirer, he grew so obsessed with Pac-Man that he would play until his fingers were red and blistered. A rec center counselor in his Northern Virginia hometown later taught Garner to play chess, and Garner played every day until he could checkmate the counselor.

Garner went on to be a standout running back at what is now Justice High School in Virginia, rushing for over 2,000 yards and 38 touchdowns in his senior season. From there it was off to Scottsdale Community College in Arizona, where he broke a variety of juco records.

Garner idolized Herschel Walker growing up, and he verbally committed to Georgia before ultimately choosing Tennessee. Vince Fulmer took over as head coach midway through Garner's first season, and the Vols went 18-5-1 in two years with Heath Shuler at quarterback and Garner splitting time with future NFL players James "Little Man" Stewart, Aaron Hayden, and Jay Graham.

The Vols were so good, and so deep at running back, that it cut into Garner's playing time. "There were a lot of games in Knoxville my senior year that I really didn't get a chance to play in the second half," Garner later told the university website. "We'd be up 25 or 30 points and, well, they'd bench me and then would have to bench James because he's running well, and then Aaron and then finally you got Jay Graham."

"Back in school, I would get negatives on [my practice grades] because I'd just stand and watch whenever Charlie had the ball," Shuler would later say. "I've never seen a player who could go from right to left like he does and not lose momentum."

Despite sharing the load, Garner managed to rush for 1,163 yards and 7.6 yards per carry in his final season. He was expected to be a first-round pick. But Garner failed his combine drug test for marijuana use. Agent Tom Condon blamed secondhand smoke, front office types performed their usual background checking and pearl-clutching about the devil's cabbage, and Garner fell to the Philadelphia Eagles in the middle of the second round of the 1994 draft. (It must be noted that Garner's size, often cited around 5-foot-9 and 189 pounds in his playing days, may also have contributed to the slide).

The Eagles of the mid-1990s were a franchise in transition. Jeffrey Lurie had just purchased the team from Norman Braman, who was the archetype of a terrible owner. Rich Kotite coached a team loaded with holdovers from the fabled Buddy Ryan era, including Randall Cunningham, coming off his second major leg injury in three years. Garner's childhood idol was also in Philly: Herschel Walker, several years removed from his college/USFL/Cowboys stardom, was the Eagles' somewhat-plodding featured back.

Garner's Eagles career got off to a rocky start. He missed a flight to Atlanta for a preseason game because he went to the wrong airport terminal. "He must have thought he was going to Beirut or something," Kotite joked. Garner then suffered a rib injury and missed the first three games of the 1994 season.

Once healthy and on the same page of the travel itinerary as his teammates, Garner made an immediate impact. He made his debut in Week 4 of the 1994 season and rushed for 116 yards and two touchdowns in a 40-8 romp over the heavily favored 49ers. He rushed for 122 yards on 28 carries the next week against Washington. But Garner re-aggravated his rib injury and was forced out of both games in the second half.

"He was slick and quick and, as usual, left the game after taking an unusually large lick," wrote columnist Phil Anastasia of South Jersey's Courier-Post after the Washington game.

Walker, still semi-effective at age 32, replaced Garner in the 49ers and Washington games. Burly James Joseph and darting Vaughn Hebron, both adequate committee backs, were also available. So there was no reason to overtax Garner. But Kotite had a reputation for incompetence to cement. Garner was held out of practice contact drills, then fed to the teeth of the Cowboys defense 17 times for 57 yards in Week 6. Garner carried 29 times for 69 yards in the three games after that, then was only sporadically healthy for the rest of the season. Garner ended the year on the injured reserve after knee surgery.

The Eagles climbed to 7-2 while Garner grew increasingly ineffective, then went into one of the most epic tailspins in pro football history, losing their final seven games. Cunningham, now barely able to scramble, endured a severe second-half slump and was benched in favor of Bubby Brister. The offense collapsed and the team appeared to quit late in the year, coughing up a 17-point lead to lose to the Bengals in the season finale.

Garner's back-to-back 100-yard games became a footnote in a doomed season. Still, fans and observers were encouraged by what we briefly saw. "After decades of watching plodding running backs such as Michael Haddix, Keith Byars, James Joseph, and even Herschel Walker, Garner is a refreshing sight, a slashing runner with incredible instincts which cannot be taught," wrote Bob Brookover in the Courier Post.

Lurie fired Kotite after the collapse. Longtime 49ers defensive assistant Ray Rhodes took over as head coach, bringing along an offensive wunderkind from pal Mike Holmgren's Packers staff named Jon Gruden.


With Garner recovering from knee surgery and Lurie eager to give his team a 49ers flavor, the Eagles signed Ricky Watters, fresh off a three-touchdown performance in Super Bowl XXIX, for a whopping $6.9 million over three years before the 1995 season. Garner dealt with another round of marijuana rumors that offseason, then had a phenomenal training camp, leading the NFL with 251 preseason rushing yards on 41 carries.

Yes, Garner was given 41 preseason carries eight months after knee surgery. Let's put a pin in that for now.

Anyway, you probably know where all this is heading. Let's get to Watters' Eagles debut in a season-opening loss to the Buccaneers. Take it away, legendary Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Bill Lyon:

It was as though someone had written on a blackboard all the things a professional athlete shouldn't do and all the things he shouldn't say, and then Ricky Watters defiantly stood up and did them and said them, every last regrettable, stupid, self-absorbed one of them.

In the Eagles' season opener ... Watters, the running back who has yet to prove he is nearly as wonderful as he believes he is, blatantly shied away from collisions on the field, threw telephone tantrums on the bench, and then committed the most grievous sins of all afterward.

In response to the question of why he didn't try to reach a pass aimed his way over the middle and then pulled up to a dead stop when he saw a defensive back coming at him, Watters offered up the following quote, one that should be in every manual given to rookies, one that could be engraved on his own tombstone:

"Hey, I'm not going to trip up there and get knocked out. For who? For what?"

Lyon's column comes off as patriarchal to problematic today, but he accurately captured the local response to Watters' debut. "For who? For what?" instantly became the stuff of Philly legend. The "tantrum," on the other hand, has been largely forgotten. When Garner came off the bench in the third quarter and ripped off two runs for 20 yards, Watters (who was already getting the business from the Boo Birds) could be seen stewing on the sideline. When Garner needed a breather at the end of the drive, Watters returned and promptly fumbled to kill a scoring opportunity.

"Charlie Garner needs to be in the game more, and we'll address that," Rhodes said after that game while dodging Watters questions.

Rhodes had a lot to address. Cunningham was completely unsuited to Gruden's version of the West Coast Offense. Rodney Peete replaced Cunningham in Week 2, then came on in relief in Week 4 before taking over as the starter. "Games, for the 1995 Eagles, have become like Mike Tyson fights," wrote Fitzpatrick in the Inquirer, "A few minutes of occasionally interesting action surrounded by days of gale-force controversy."

The Watters-Garner controversy sorted itself out by virtue of the Eagles' utter lack of a downfield passing game, which gave both backs plenty of touches. Watters toned down the drama and shook off the rough start, rushing for 1,273 yards and 11 touchdowns while adding 62 receptions. Garner rushed for 588 yards and averaged 5.4 yards per carry. The Eagles went 10-6 and won a playoff game through the sheer force of Rhodes' brimstone motivation and Gruden's intricate short game.

Garner led the NFL in rushing DVOA in 1995; Emmitt Smith finished second. Garner finished ninth in rushing DYAR despite his part-time role; Smith led the league. Watters ranked 29th in DVOA and 18th in DYAR; he was also 49th in receiving DVOA.

The 1996 season brought more of the same. Watters rushed for 1,411 yards and 13 touchdowns, adding 51 receptions. Garner came off the bench for 5.2 yards per carry but failed to qualify for the DVOA leaderboards. Peete battled Ty Detmer to see who had the peskiest popgun, while Irving Fryar added a credible downfield threat for any quarterback who could reach him. The Eagles reached the playoffs again. Gruden became a hot head coaching commodity.

The formula wore thin in 1997. Watters and Garner put up similar numbers in similar roles for a third straight year. Garner finished fifth in the NFL in DVOA behind Marcus Allen, Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, and Corey Dillon, ranking 11th in DYAR. Watters ranked 20th in rushing DVOA and 18th in DYAR, with some positive receiving value. But Rhodes' defense began to crumble and Gruden could only coax so much adequacy out of Peete and RePeete. Hope came in the form of a cannon-armed second-round pick from Ohio State: Bobby Hoying looked sharp in some late-season performances.

Late in the 1997 season, Watters' then-girlfriend approached Gruden in the tunnel after a loss and demanded, in front of reporters, that Watters get the ball more. Watters, who was never quite 100% with the program despite his production, left for the Seahawks as a free agent after season. Gruden also left to become the head coach of the Raiders. Rhodes replaced Gruden with Stanford offensive coordinator Dana Bible, who was billed as a West Coast offense guru with a longer pedigree than Gruden.

Bible was a disaster. Hoying became so hapless on Bible's watch that he could barely execute handoffs properly and sometimes crumpled untouched in the pocket, forcing Peete and a Detmer (Ty's brother Koy) into service. Garner, who signed a contract extension in the offseason, averaged just 4.0 yards per carry behind Duce Staley and missed the end of the season with another rib injury.

Out went Ray Rhodes. In came Andy Reid. Garner was now an oft-injured 27-year-old backup coming off a poor season with a reputation (overshadowed for years by Watters' shtick) for missing the occasional team meeting. Reid unceremoniously released Garner in April of 1999.


Garrison Hearst, a former Georgia standout and third overall pick whose early career was ruined by injuries, gained 2,105 yards from scrimmage for a 49ers team that went 12-4 in 1998. But Hearst bent backwards while getting pulled down on his first carry of the wild-card game, breaking his left leg so badly that the resulting vascular damage would erase his next two seasons.

When the 49ers realized the severity of Hearst's injury in July of 1999, they held a casting call for free-agent running backs. Charlie Garner won the audition.

Not everyone was excited by the new arrival. "In the good old days when NFL scouting was more of a hit-or-miss matter," wrote Ray Ratto for the San Francisco Examiner, "Charlie Garner might have excited you more than he seems to now." Ratto lamented that the Eagles were "always finding someone better, from Herschel Walker to Ricky Watters to Duce Staley." Even the 49ers hedged their bets, signing the deeply troubled Lawrence Phillips days after Garner.

Finally given a featured role in a functional offense, Garner quieted any skeptics. He rushed for 1,229 yards at 5.1 yards per carry, relegating Phillips to irrelevance. He also caught 56 passes for 535 yards after never catching more than 25 passes for the Eagles. Garner finished fourth in the league in both rushing DVOA and DYAR. Stephen Davis, Marshall Faulk, and Napoleon Kaufman finished ahead of Garner in DVOA, while Davis, Faulk, and Emmitt Smith topped him in DYAR. Garner also finished eighth in receiving DYAR for running backs.

How did Garner take to Steve Mariucci's West Coast Offense so quickly? "I give a lot of credit to Jon Gruden," Garner said after topping the 1,000-yard mark in December of 1999. "He really helped me learn this offense. So when I came here I was able to step right in."

"He has been terrific," Mariucci said of Garner. "He's such a tough guy. He has taken a lot of hits this year."

Garner was the only terrific thing about the 1999 49ers. Steve Young got injured, giving way to Jeff Garcia and Steve Stenstrom. The defense was miserable. The 49ers finished 4-12.

Garner enjoyed another fine season for an awful 49ers team in 2000: 1,140 rushing yards and 68 receptions, ranking second to Faulk in receiving DYAR among running backs. He became a free agent after the 2000 season. 49ers general manager Bill Walsh remarked, somewhat accurately, that Garner "suffered wear and tear at the end of the season." Agent Scott Crawford fired back. "Bill's comments hurt Charlie a lot," Crawford said. "He feels that Bill is trying to de-value him, and we are not going to tolerate that."

The 49ers decided to roll with a totally refurbished Hearst instead. So Garner signed a four-year deal with the Raiders, reuniting with Gruden. "I always had the Raiders in my mind," Garner said at the signing.

"He's an outstanding football player, a very productive back," Gruden said. "He's versatile and tough. He can play here, there, and anywhere on the football field."


It's shocking how many coaches, legendary and infamous, used Charlie Garner incorrectly.

Garner just looked like someone who should get 10 to 20 carries and five to seven targets per game. Everything about him, from his stature to his shifty style to his injury history, screamed for such a role. Yet Kotite briefly tried to use him as a battering ram. Then Gruden and Rhodes limited his receiving opportunities, lest Watters get nettled. Mariucci finally figured out that Garner could run routes and catch, but also used him as a 25-carry workhorse for part of the 2000 season. Garner was always either stuck behind a Watters or Walker who needed lots of touches to get going (weren't as effective but got paid more, in other words), or, in San Francisco, without any reliable complementary back at all.

Gruden knew how to use Garner after their reunion. Bruiser Tyrone Wheatley and fullback Zack Crockett did most of the short-yardage dirty work but were strictly complementary players. Garner caught 72 passes while rushing for 839 yards for a Raiders team that went 10-6 with the help of another player from across the bay: a fellow named Jerry Rice.

Gruden, meanwhile, was in a contract squabble with Al Davis. And the Buccaneers felt they were headed in the wrong direction under defense-oriented Tony Dungy. A few weeks after the Raiders lost a playoff game to the Patriots on a controversial call [winks devilishly], the Buccaneers traded two first-round picks to the Raiders to acquire a new head coach.

Gruden left behind a strong staff that included Bill Callahan, Aaron Kromer, and Marc Trestman. Callahan, now the Raiders head coach, was in charge of the Eagles offensive line during the Watters/Garner years and knew what Garner was capable of. Garner, playing the same role in a very slightly (probably too slightly) tweaked offense in 2002, finished third in the NFL in rushing DVOA and DYAR behind Priest Holmes and Clinton Portis and led the league in receiving DYAR and DVOA. Garner finished second to Marshall Faulk in the NFL with 1,903 scrimmage yards.

"Charlie Garner may be the most indispensable, invaluable—yet often invisible—Raider," wrote Gregg Bell for the Sacramento Bee as the Raiders approached the playoffs. Bell noted that Garner avoided interviews and remained in "seclusion" during the week, only to emerge on game days as a trash-talking chatterbox. It's a common thread throughout his career: even when Eagles columnists were interviewing Garner's family for Pac-Man and chess stories early in his career, Garner declined most interview requests.

The Raiders cruised through the playoffs, then got pummeled by Gruden's Buccaneers in the Super Bowl. Quarterback Rich Gannon threw five interceptions in that game. Garner rushed seven times for just 10 yards. Gannon later claimed that Buccaneers defenders were calling out Raiders plays at the line. Tim Brown and Rice suggested that Callahan changed his entire game plan in midweek, possibly for nefarious reasons. Looking back, I can't help but think that Callahan got a late case of the yips because he knew he hadn't changed enough of his offense after Gruden's departure, then tried to make last-second changes which proved counterproductive

Whatever the cause of the Raiders meltdown, Gruden walked away with a Super Bowl ring, and Garner did not.

Garner finished seventh in rushing DVOA in 2003, but Wheatley outgained him as a rusher. Gannon suffered a midseason shoulder injury. Callahan completely lost the locker room. The Raiders fell to 4-12. Garner and Charles Woodson missed curfew before the season finale and received a one-game suspension in one of Callahan's last acts as head coach.

Garner signed with Gruden's Buccaneers in April of 2004, but he lasted just three games before suffering a knee injury which ended his season, and ultimately his career.

The Jets snapped up Rich Kotite soon after the Eagles fired him. The former Jets assistant was hailed as a likely franchise savior. Instead, he led the team to a 4-28 record in two seasons, ending a 20-year NFL career.

Bill Callahan coached the University of Nebraska for several years before returning to the NFL as an offensive line coach, coordinator, and sometime assistant head coach. He currently coaches the excellent Browns offensive line.

While it might never be written on his tombstone, For Who, For What: A Warrior's Journey is the title of Ricky Watters' memoir. Watters spent several seasons as a productive, mostly quiet running back for the Seahawks after leaving Philly, retiring with 10,643 rushing yards. The girlfriend who yelled at Gruden has been his wife for decades.

Herschel Walker has become an outspoken political figure on social media and may be considering a Senate run in Georgia. Hearst played three more seasons for the 49ers, who bounced back into contention after Garner's departure. Ty Wheatley is now the head coach at Morgan State. Duce Staley is the assistant head coach of the Lions.

Doctors told Charlie Garner in 2017 that he is likely suffering from CTE. Garner was only diagnosed with two concussions during his career yet estimates that he suffered "at least a dozen concussions per year over 11 years."

"I don't have all my faculties anymore," Garner told the Sporting News in 2017. "I can't remember things. When I go to the mall or grocery store, I have to take one of my kids with me to remember where the car is parked. I have trouble remembering conversations I had five minutes ago. Bright lights bother me. I just don't feel right all the time." Garner recently announced involvement in a sports entertainment enterprise called Legit Rare on Facebook.

There's an unmistakable undercurrent just below the surface of Garner's story: the undiagnosed concussions (probably less than 132 but certainly more than two), the moody reputation, missed flights and meetings, frequent marijuana peccadillos, even the obsessive childhood video gaming. I'm not going to pretend to really know a person based on press clippings and memories from 30 years ago. But if he played today, Garner's concussions would be better diagnosed and treated. (Not ideally diagnosed and treated by any means, but better). Any marijuana dabbling he might have done would be shrugged off, or perhaps identified as self-medication. Some behavioral traits, from youth through superstardom, are better understood and tolerated/managed these days than they were 30 years ago.

A modern Garner might well be Kamara, someone whose workload was carefully managed and optimized, a star in his own right instead of an invaluable but invisible role player. At the very least, he'd emerge from his career a little bit healthier if he played in our somewhat more enlightened era when running backs don't endure 40 preseason carries while recovering from knee surgery.

DVOA suggests that Garner could have been one of the all-time greats. But the NFL, in various ways, just wasn't quite ready for him.


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Charlie Garner JRB Stuart Wrote:
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> Aka Lightning from the Crossroads
>
> Before Alvin Kamara, there was Charlie Garner.
>
> Both were mid-round picks out of Tennessee. Both
> were (are) diminutive, dynamic all-purpose backs.
> Both played for offensive masterminds and made a
> big impact for not-quite championship-caliber
> teams. Heck, Kamara and Garner were almost the
> same guy!
>
> Or perhaps our memories of Garner are a little
> cloudy. Yes, he was one of the most effective
> all-purpose runners of his era, with five top-10
> finishes in rushing DVOA and four top-10 finishes
> in receiving DYAR. But times were tougher for
> everyone, especially tiny scatbacks, in the days
> when running back workloads weren't well
> monitored, marijuana use was considered a serious
> character issue, and concussions often went
> undiagnosed.
>
> This is the story of an outstanding player who
> spent his career shunning a spotlight that some of
> his teammates and coaches couldn't stop hogging.
>
> Garner was atypically focused and driven as a
> youth. When Garner was 11 years old, according to
> a 1995 profile by Frank Fitzpatrick of the
> Philadelphia Inquirer, he grew so obsessed with
> Pac-Man that he would play until his fingers were
> red and blistered. A rec center counselor in his
> Northern Virginia hometown later taught Garner to
> play chess, and Garner played every day until he
> could checkmate the counselor.
>
> Garner went on to be a standout running back at
> what is now Justice High School in Virginia,
> rushing for over 2,000 yards and 38 touchdowns in
> his senior season. From there it was off to
> Scottsdale Community College in Arizona, where he
> broke a variety of juco records.
>
> Garner idolized Herschel Walker growing up, and he
> verbally committed to Georgia before ultimately
> choosing Tennessee. Vince Fulmer took over as head
> coach midway through Garner's first season, and
> the Vols went 18-5-1 in two years with Heath
> Shuler at quarterback and Garner splitting time
> with future NFL players James "Little Man"
> Stewart, Aaron Hayden, and Jay Graham.
>
> The Vols were so good, and so deep at running
> back, that it cut into Garner's playing time.
> "There were a lot of games in Knoxville my senior
> year that I really didn't get a chance to play in
> the second half," Garner later told the university
> website. "We'd be up 25 or 30 points and, well,
> they'd bench me and then would have to bench James
> because he's running well, and then Aaron and then
> finally you got Jay Graham."
>
> "Back in school, I would get negatives on [my
> practice grades] because I'd just stand and watch
> whenever Charlie had the ball," Shuler would later
> say. "I've never seen a player who could go from
> right to left like he does and not lose
> momentum."
>
> Despite sharing the load, Garner managed to rush
> for 1,163 yards and 7.6 yards per carry in his
> final season. He was expected to be a first-round
> pick. But Garner failed his combine drug test for
> marijuana use. Agent Tom Condon blamed secondhand
> smoke, front office types performed their usual
> background checking and pearl-clutching about the
> devil's cabbage, and Garner fell to the
> Philadelphia Eagles in the middle of the second
> round of the 1994 draft. (It must be noted that
> Garner's size, often cited around 5-foot-9 and 189
> pounds in his playing days, may also have
> contributed to the slide).
>
> The Eagles of the mid-1990s were a franchise in
> transition. Jeffrey Lurie had just purchased the
> team from Norman Braman, who was the archetype of
> a terrible owner. Rich Kotite coached a team
> loaded with holdovers from the fabled Buddy Ryan
> era, including Randall Cunningham, coming off his
> second major leg injury in three years. Garner's
> childhood idol was also in Philly: Herschel
> Walker, several years removed from his
> college/USFL/Cowboys stardom, was the Eagles'
> somewhat-plodding featured back.
>
> Garner's Eagles career got off to a rocky start.
> He missed a flight to Atlanta for a preseason game
> because he went to the wrong airport terminal. "He
> must have thought he was going to Beirut or
> something," Kotite joked. Garner then suffered a
> rib injury and missed the first three games of the
> 1994 season.
>
> Once healthy and on the same page of the travel
> itinerary as his teammates, Garner made an
> immediate impact. He made his debut in Week 4 of
> the 1994 season and rushed for 116 yards and two
> touchdowns in a 40-8 romp over the heavily favored
> 49ers. He rushed for 122 yards on 28 carries the
> next week against Washington. But Garner
> re-aggravated his rib injury and was forced out of
> both games in the second half.
>
> "He was slick and quick and, as usual, left the
> game after taking an unusually large lick," wrote
> columnist Phil Anastasia of South Jersey's
> Courier-Post after the Washington game.
>
> Walker, still semi-effective at age 32, replaced
> Garner in the 49ers and Washington games. Burly
> James Joseph and darting Vaughn Hebron, both
> adequate committee backs, were also available. So
> there was no reason to overtax Garner. But Kotite
> had a reputation for incompetence to cement.
> Garner was held out of practice contact drills,
> then fed to the teeth of the Cowboys defense 17
> times for 57 yards in Week 6. Garner carried 29
> times for 69 yards in the three games after that,
> then was only sporadically healthy for the rest of
> the season. Garner ended the year on the injured
> reserve after knee surgery.
>
> The Eagles climbed to 7-2 while Garner grew
> increasingly ineffective, then went into one of
> the most epic tailspins in pro football history,
> losing their final seven games. Cunningham, now
> barely able to scramble, endured a severe
> second-half slump and was benched in favor of
> Bubby Brister. The offense collapsed and the team
> appeared to quit late in the year, coughing up a
> 17-point lead to lose to the Bengals in the season
> finale.
>
> Garner's back-to-back 100-yard games became a
> footnote in a doomed season. Still, fans and
> observers were encouraged by what we briefly saw.
> "After decades of watching plodding running backs
> such as Michael Haddix, Keith Byars, James Joseph,
> and even Herschel Walker, Garner is a refreshing
> sight, a slashing runner with incredible instincts
> which cannot be taught," wrote Bob Brookover in
> the Courier Post.
>
> Lurie fired Kotite after the collapse. Longtime
> 49ers defensive assistant Ray Rhodes took over as
> head coach, bringing along an offensive wunderkind
> from pal Mike Holmgren's Packers staff named Jon
> Gruden.
>
>
> With Garner recovering from knee surgery and Lurie
> eager to give his team a 49ers flavor, the Eagles
> signed Ricky Watters, fresh off a three-touchdown
> performance in Super Bowl XXIX, for a whopping
> $6.9 million over three years before the 1995
> season. Garner dealt with another round of
> marijuana rumors that offseason, then had a
> phenomenal training camp, leading the NFL with 251
> preseason rushing yards on 41 carries.
>
> Yes, Garner was given 41 preseason carries eight
> months after knee surgery. Let's put a pin in that
> for now.
>
> Anyway, you probably know where all this is
> heading. Let's get to Watters' Eagles debut in a
> season-opening loss to the Buccaneers. Take it
> away, legendary Philadelphia Inquirer columnist
> Bill Lyon:
>
> It was as though someone had written on a
> blackboard all the things a professional athlete
> shouldn't do and all the things he shouldn't say,
> and then Ricky Watters defiantly stood up and did
> them and said them, every last regrettable,
> stupid, self-absorbed one of them.
>
> In the Eagles' season opener ... Watters, the
> running back who has yet to prove he is nearly as
> wonderful as he believes he is, blatantly shied
> away from collisions on the field, threw telephone
> tantrums on the bench, and then committed the most
> grievous sins of all afterward.
>
> In response to the question of why he didn't try
> to reach a pass aimed his way over the middle and
> then pulled up to a dead stop when he saw a
> defensive back coming at him, Watters offered up
> the following quote, one that should be in every
> manual given to rookies, one that could be
> engraved on his own tombstone:
>
> "Hey, I'm not going to trip up there and get
> knocked out. For who? For what?"
>
> Lyon's column comes off as patriarchal to
> problematic today, but he accurately captured the
> local response to Watters' debut. "For who? For
> what?" instantly became the stuff of Philly
> legend. The "tantrum," on the other hand, has been
> largely forgotten. When Garner came off the bench
> in the third quarter and ripped off two runs for
> 20 yards, Watters (who was already getting the
> business from the Boo Birds) could be seen stewing
> on the sideline. When Garner needed a breather at
> the end of the drive, Watters returned and
> promptly fumbled to kill a scoring opportunity.
>
> "Charlie Garner needs to be in the game more, and
> we'll address that," Rhodes said after that game
> while dodging Watters questions.
>
> Rhodes had a lot to address. Cunningham was
> completely unsuited to Gruden's version of the
> West Coast Offense. Rodney Peete replaced
> Cunningham in Week 2, then came on in relief in
> Week 4 before taking over as the starter. "Games,
> for the 1995 Eagles, have become like Mike Tyson
> fights," wrote Fitzpatrick in the Inquirer, "A few
> minutes of occasionally interesting action
> surrounded by days of gale-force controversy."
>
> The Watters-Garner controversy sorted itself out
> by virtue of the Eagles' utter lack of a downfield
> passing game, which gave both backs plenty of
> touches. Watters toned down the drama and shook
> off the rough start, rushing for 1,273 yards and
> 11 touchdowns while adding 62 receptions. Garner
> rushed for 588 yards and averaged 5.4 yards per
> carry. The Eagles went 10-6 and won a playoff game
> through the sheer force of Rhodes' brimstone
> motivation and Gruden's intricate short game.
>
> Garner led the NFL in rushing DVOA in 1995; Emmitt
> Smith finished second. Garner finished ninth in
> rushing DYAR despite his part-time role; Smith led
> the league. Watters ranked 29th in DVOA and 18th
> in DYAR; he was also 49th in receiving DVOA.
>
> The 1996 season brought more of the same. Watters
> rushed for 1,411 yards and 13 touchdowns, adding
> 51 receptions. Garner came off the bench for 5.2
> yards per carry but failed to qualify for the DVOA
> leaderboards. Peete battled Ty Detmer to see who
> had the peskiest popgun, while Irving Fryar added
> a credible downfield threat for any quarterback
> who could reach him. The Eagles reached the
> playoffs again. Gruden became a hot head coaching
> commodity.
>
> The formula wore thin in 1997. Watters and Garner
> put up similar numbers in similar roles for a
> third straight year. Garner finished fifth in the
> NFL in DVOA behind Marcus Allen, Barry Sanders,
> Terrell Davis, and Corey Dillon, ranking 11th in
> DYAR. Watters ranked 20th in rushing DVOA and 18th
> in DYAR, with some positive receiving value. But
> Rhodes' defense began to crumble and Gruden could
> only coax so much adequacy out of Peete and
> RePeete. Hope came in the form of a cannon-armed
> second-round pick from Ohio State: Bobby Hoying
> looked sharp in some late-season performances.
>
> Late in the 1997 season, Watters' then-girlfriend
> approached Gruden in the tunnel after a loss and
> demanded, in front of reporters, that Watters get
> the ball more. Watters, who was never quite 100%
> with the program despite his production, left for
> the Seahawks as a free agent after season. Gruden
> also left to become the head coach of the Raiders.
> Rhodes replaced Gruden with Stanford offensive
> coordinator Dana Bible, who was billed as a West
> Coast offense guru with a longer pedigree than
> Gruden.
>
> Bible was a disaster. Hoying became so hapless on
> Bible's watch that he could barely execute
> handoffs properly and sometimes crumpled untouched
> in the pocket, forcing Peete and a Detmer (Ty's
> brother Koy) into service. Garner, who signed a
> contract extension in the offseason, averaged just
> 4.0 yards per carry behind Duce Staley and missed
> the end of the season with another rib injury.
>
> Out went Ray Rhodes. In came Andy Reid. Garner was
> now an oft-injured 27-year-old backup coming off a
> poor season with a reputation (overshadowed for
> years by Watters' shtick) for missing the
> occasional team meeting. Reid unceremoniously
> released Garner in April of 1999.
>
>
> Garrison Hearst, a former Georgia standout and
> third overall pick whose early career was ruined
> by injuries, gained 2,105 yards from scrimmage for
> a 49ers team that went 12-4 in 1998. But Hearst
> bent backwards while getting pulled down on his
> first carry of the wild-card game, breaking his
> left leg so badly that the resulting vascular
> damage would erase his next two seasons.
>
> When the 49ers realized the severity of Hearst's
> injury in July of 1999, they held a casting call
> for free-agent running backs. Charlie Garner won
> the audition.
>
> Not everyone was excited by the new arrival. "In
> the good old days when NFL scouting was more of a
> hit-or-miss matter," wrote Ray Ratto for the San
> Francisco Examiner, "Charlie Garner might have
> excited you more than he seems to now." Ratto
> lamented that the Eagles were "always finding
> someone better, from Herschel Walker to Ricky
> Watters to Duce Staley." Even the 49ers hedged
> their bets, signing the deeply troubled Lawrence
> Phillips days after Garner.
>
> Finally given a featured role in a functional
> offense, Garner quieted any skeptics. He rushed
> for 1,229 yards at 5.1 yards per carry, relegating
> Phillips to irrelevance. He also caught 56 passes
> for 535 yards after never catching more than 25
> passes for the Eagles. Garner finished fourth in
> the league in both rushing DVOA and DYAR. Stephen
> Davis, Marshall Faulk, and Napoleon Kaufman
> finished ahead of Garner in DVOA, while Davis,
> Faulk, and Emmitt Smith topped him in DYAR. Garner
> also finished eighth in receiving DYAR for running
> backs.
>
> How did Garner take to Steve Mariucci's West Coast
> Offense so quickly? "I give a lot of credit to Jon
> Gruden," Garner said after topping the 1,000-yard
> mark in December of 1999. "He really helped me
> learn this offense. So when I came here I was able
> to step right in."
>
> "He has been terrific," Mariucci said of Garner.
> "He's such a tough guy. He has taken a lot of hits
> this year."
>
> Garner was the only terrific thing about the 1999
> 49ers. Steve Young got injured, giving way to Jeff
> Garcia and Steve Stenstrom. The defense was
> miserable. The 49ers finished 4-12.
>
> Garner enjoyed another fine season for an awful
> 49ers team in 2000: 1,140 rushing yards and 68
> receptions, ranking second to Faulk in receiving
> DYAR among running backs. He became a free agent
> after the 2000 season. 49ers general manager Bill
> Walsh remarked, somewhat accurately, that Garner
> "suffered wear and tear at the end of the season."
> Agent Scott Crawford fired back. "Bill's comments
> hurt Charlie a lot," Crawford said. "He feels that
> Bill is trying to de-value him, and we are not
> going to tolerate that."
>
> The 49ers decided to roll with a totally
> refurbished Hearst instead. So Garner signed a
> four-year deal with the Raiders, reuniting with
> Gruden. "I always had the Raiders in my mind,"
> Garner said at the signing.
>
> "He's an outstanding football player, a very
> productive back," Gruden said. "He's versatile and
> tough. He can play here, there, and anywhere on
> the football field."
>
>
> It's shocking how many coaches, legendary and
> infamous, used Charlie Garner incorrectly.
>
> Garner just looked like someone who should get 10
> to 20 carries and five to seven targets per game.
> Everything about him, from his stature to his
> shifty style to his injury history, screamed for
> such a role. Yet Kotite briefly tried to use him
> as a battering ram. Then Gruden and Rhodes limited
> his receiving opportunities, lest Watters get
> nettled. Mariucci finally figured out that Garner
> could run routes and catch, but also used him as a
> 25-carry workhorse for part of the 2000 season.
> Garner was always either stuck behind a Watters or
> Walker who needed lots of touches to get going
> (weren't as effective but got paid more, in other
> words), or, in San Francisco, without any reliable
> complementary back at all.
>
> Gruden knew how to use Garner after their reunion.
> Bruiser Tyrone Wheatley and fullback Zack Crockett
> did most of the short-yardage dirty work but were
> strictly complementary players. Garner caught 72
> passes while rushing for 839 yards for a Raiders
> team that went 10-6 with the help of another
> player from across the bay: a fellow named Jerry
> Rice.
>
> Gruden, meanwhile, was in a contract squabble with
> Al Davis. And the Buccaneers felt they were headed
> in the wrong direction under defense-oriented Tony
> Dungy. A few weeks after the Raiders lost a
> playoff game to the Patriots on a controversial
> call [winks devilishly], the Buccaneers traded two
> first-round picks to the Raiders to acquire a new
> head coach.
>
> Gruden left behind a strong staff that included
> Bill Callahan, Aaron Kromer, and Marc Trestman.
> Callahan, now the Raiders head coach, was in
> charge of the Eagles offensive line during the
> Watters/Garner years and knew what Garner was
> capable of. Garner, playing the same role in a
> very slightly (probably too slightly) tweaked
> offense in 2002, finished third in the NFL in
> rushing DVOA and DYAR behind Priest Holmes and
> Clinton Portis and led the league in receiving
> DYAR and DVOA. Garner finished second to Marshall
> Faulk in the NFL with 1,903 scrimmage yards.
>
> "Charlie Garner may be the most indispensable,
> invaluable—yet often invisible—Raider," wrote
> Gregg Bell for the Sacramento Bee as the Raiders
> approached the playoffs. Bell noted that Garner
> avoided interviews and remained in "seclusion"
> during the week, only to emerge on game days as a
> trash-talking chatterbox. It's a common thread
> throughout his career: even when Eagles columnists
> were interviewing Garner's family for Pac-Man and
> chess stories early in his career, Garner declined
> most interview requests.
>
> The Raiders cruised through the playoffs, then got
> pummeled by Gruden's Buccaneers in the Super Bowl.
> Quarterback Rich Gannon threw five interceptions
> in that game. Garner rushed seven times for just
> 10 yards. Gannon later claimed that Buccaneers
> defenders were calling out Raiders plays at the
> line. Tim Brown and Rice suggested that Callahan
> changed his entire game plan in midweek, possibly
> for nefarious reasons. Looking back, I can't help
> but think that Callahan got a late case of the
> yips because he knew he hadn't changed enough of
> his offense after Gruden's departure, then tried
> to make last-second changes which proved
> counterproductive
>
> Whatever the cause of the Raiders meltdown, Gruden
> walked away with a Super Bowl ring, and Garner did
> not.
>
> Garner finished seventh in rushing DVOA in 2003,
> but Wheatley outgained him as a rusher. Gannon
> suffered a midseason shoulder injury. Callahan
> completely lost the locker room. The Raiders fell
> to 4-12. Garner and Charles Woodson missed curfew
> before the season finale and received a one-game
> suspension in one of Callahan's last acts as head
> coach.
>
> Garner signed with Gruden's Buccaneers in April of
> 2004, but he lasted just three games before
> suffering a knee injury which ended his season,
> and ultimately his career.
>
> The Jets snapped up Rich Kotite soon after the
> Eagles fired him. The former Jets assistant was
> hailed as a likely franchise savior. Instead, he
> led the team to a 4-28 record in two seasons,
> ending a 20-year NFL career.
>
> Bill Callahan coached the University of Nebraska
> for several years before returning to the NFL as
> an offensive line coach, coordinator, and sometime
> assistant head coach. He currently coaches the
> excellent Browns offensive line.
>
> While it might never be written on his tombstone,
> For Who, For What: A Warrior's Journey is the
> title of Ricky Watters' memoir. Watters spent
> several seasons as a productive, mostly quiet
> running back for the Seahawks after leaving
> Philly, retiring with 10,643 rushing yards. The
> girlfriend who yelled at Gruden has been his wife
> for decades.
>
> Herschel Walker has become an outspoken political
> figure on social media and may be considering a
> Senate run in Georgia. Hearst played three more
> seasons for the 49ers, who bounced back into
> contention after Garner's departure. Ty Wheatley
> is now the head coach at Morgan State. Duce Staley
> is the assistant head coach of the Lions.
>
> Doctors told Charlie Garner in 2017 that he is
> likely suffering from CTE. Garner was only
> diagnosed with two concussions during his career
> yet estimates that he suffered "at least a dozen
> concussions per year over 11 years."
>
> "I don't have all my faculties anymore," Garner
> told the Sporting News in 2017. "I can't remember
> things. When I go to the mall or grocery store, I
> have to take one of my kids with me to remember
> where the car is parked. I have trouble
> remembering conversations I had five minutes ago.
> Bright lights bother me. I just don't feel right
> all the time." Garner recently announced
> involvement in a sports entertainment enterprise
> called Legit Rare on Facebook.
>
> There's an unmistakable undercurrent just below
> the surface of Garner's story: the undiagnosed
> concussions (probably less than 132 but certainly
> more than two), the moody reputation, missed
> flights and meetings, frequent marijuana
> peccadillos, even the obsessive childhood video
> gaming. I'm not going to pretend to really know a
> person based on press clippings and memories from
> 30 years ago. But if he played today, Garner's
> concussions would be better diagnosed and treated.
> (Not ideally diagnosed and treated by any means,
> but better). Any marijuana dabbling he might have
> done would be shrugged off, or perhaps identified
> as self-medication. Some behavioral traits, from
> youth through superstardom, are better understood
> and tolerated/managed these days than they were 30
> years ago.
>
> A modern Garner might well be Kamara, someone
> whose workload was carefully managed and
> optimized, a star in his own right instead of an
> invaluable but invisible role player. At the very
> least, he'd emerge from his career a little bit
> healthier if he played in our somewhat more
> enlightened era when running backs don't endure 40
> preseason carries while recovering from knee
> surgery.
>
> DVOA suggests that Garner could have been one of
> the all-time greats. But the NFL, in various ways,
> just wasn't quite ready for him.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/rCNNNkasmaA
>
> https://youtu.be/41PdMcbEU-g
>
> https://youtu.be/sl_2iCJByj8

What?

Heard DeMatha scrimmaged @ Freedom WB, looks like they replaced Westfield with Freedom

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> Heard DeMatha scrimmaged @ Freedom WB, looks like
> they replaced Westfield with Freedom


So what happened, which team was able to poach the most players?

High School football is gay as Gay Gus!

https://youtu.be/3py-hfHDz58


https://youtu.be/_dBz4dTZocg
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> https://youtu.be/3py-hfHDz58
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>
> https://youtu.be/_dBz4dTZocg


In Northern VA that's good, right? I'm so confused.

What’s up with Cheyenne O’Grady? Better than Tim Teballs


https://youtu.be/oRHV5E3uAyk

https://youtu.be/fJuapp9SORA

https://youtu.be/zNuWkc_ZD94

https://youtu.be/1t-gK-9EIq4

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Looks like PWC schools are having a big media day tomorrow, would be cool if FFX did the same.

Last year's region finalist South County and Robinson both paused for Covid-19 cases. Will this season even get off the ground?
How will school operate if they are gonna keep kids home everytime a case pops up in their class?

https://youtu.be/fs1xHPU7WwA

Bears Suck
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Red Rifle! What are you doing?
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Fairfax Dog! Throw up the X, Crossroads!

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Northern VA HS Football has fallen to an all-new low.

Just look at the 2021 version of FFU. Zero debate between any teams. Nothing but trolls posting BS. After South County was handed their State Title in 2019, they get epically trounced by Smith and were saved from getting 70-80 points put on them by the running clock!!! 62-21!!!!

Now in 2021 there are ZERO....ZERO Fairfax HS Football teams from Fairfax in MaxPreps preseason Top 25 Teams!!???

School Ovr. Str. +/-
1 Oscar Smith (Chesapeake) 0-0 0.0 +1
2 Life Christian Academy (Chester) 1-0 -27.2 -1
3 Benedictine (Richmond) 0-0 0.0 --
4 Lord Botetourt (Daleville) 0-0 0.0 --
5 Massaponax (Spotsylvania) 0-0 0.0 --
6 Manchester (Midlothian) 0-0 0.0 --
7 Tuscarora (Leesburg) 0-0 0.0 --
8 Liberty Christian (Lynchburg) 0-0 0.0 --
9 Broad Run (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --
10 Highland Springs 0-0 0.0 --
11 Maury (Norfolk) 0-0 0.0 --
12 Riverheads (Staunton) 0-0 0.0 --
13 Salem 0-0 0.0 --
14 Lafayette (Williamsburg) 0-0 0.0 --
15 Lake Taylor (Norfolk) 0-0 0.0 --
16 John Champe (Aldie) 0-0 0.0 --
17 Stone Bridge (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --
18 Appomattox County (Appomattox) 0-0 0.0 --
19 Battlefield (Haymarket) 0-0 0.0 --
20 Dale (Chester) 0-0 0.0 --
21 Dinwiddie 0-0 0.0 --
22 Freedom (Woodbridge) 0-0 0.0 --
23 Patriot (Nokesville) 0-0 0.0 --
24 Gar-Field (Woodbridge) 0-0 0.0 --
25 Briar Woods (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --

Only you care!! And at the end of the season there will be one team playing from Fairfax in the final.

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> there will be one team playing from Fairfax in the
> final.


AND, expect another running clock. I just watched the Manchester vs Thomas Dale scrimmage and both appear to be ready to make a deep playoff run. BTW, South County is ranked 30th or so in most rankings. Just admit it, NorthernVA football has fallen off just as I had predicted!!

Y'all can blame me for the drop off on FFU participation BUT in reality, despite having a huge number of much larger schools, more $$$ more coaches with higher salaries more players which includes freshman teams, your brand of football is not up to par compared to 804/757 football!!

Agreed!!

Come on now, you know better, Pre Season ranking dont mean anything, injuries, upsets and just not playing as well as anticipated, all factor into the season.

With all the athletes in the 757, they should win every year!
All you have to do it get the players to the field and let them play. With a little coaching, those teams will go along way.

In NOVA, its more about fundamentals and coaching, with maybe 1 or 2 athletes on a team. If the staff cant get the team to play together, then they wont win.

Has NOVA football fallen off? Maybe so, but it will come back around, it always does.

OS has been favored to win every year since 2006 and probably before that, So you won last year, congratulations, what is that 2 in the last 10-12 years?

Its all goes in cycles, this looks like OS's cycle, Enjoy it!! It doesn't always last

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> AND, expect another running clock. I just watched
> the Manchester vs Thomas Dale scrimmage and both
> appear to be ready to make a deep playoff run.
> BTW, South County is ranked 30th or so in most
> rankings. Just admit it, NorthernVA football has
> fallen off just as I had predicted!!
>
> Y'all can blame me for the drop off on FFU
> participation BUT in reality, despite having a
> huge number of much larger schools, more $$$ more
> coaches with higher salaries more players which
> includes freshman teams, your brand of football is
> not up to par compared to 804/757 football!!

You predicted nothing. You have been repeating the same tired nonsense for 6 consecutive years - it doesn't count as a prediction when Smith finally wins one.

How incredibly stupid do you have to be to make a claim that Fairfax football is "not up to par compared to 804/757 football"? You would lose all credibility with such claims except for the fact you already lost your credibility making the exact same claims for the last 6 years. You are just a homer which is fine I guess, but Fairfax County football has won 5 out of the last 8 Class 6 state championships.

Keep in mind you were making the exact same claims in the very years Fairfax County football was winning states. You have no credibility.

Hello all! That time of the year is finally back upon us! Thankfully this year every school gets the normal ten game slate. I noticed a few scrimmages in the area were cancelled, not sure if it was for weather reasons or COVID reasons. Hopefully every school is able to get the majority of their games in this year. If we are cancelling games this year because of one positive test, we may be in trouble. Let's hope for the best.

As I have done in previous years, I will post the results from the prior week as well as the spreads for the upcoming week on Sunday. I use the old school names as well, because that's just what I have known them as. Do not mean to offend anyone. Not sure what to expect from some schools in terms of who is coming, etc., and coming off the COVID spring season, it's been harder than ever to keep up. My goal is to get progressively better each week, so work with me the first few weeks. As always, I encourage comments/any input y'all want to put in! I have noticed the traffic is down on this thread as opposed to other years, maybe its the spammers, I don't know. I recommend the regulars copy and paste the URL so you don't lose it. I am also in a VAPreps forum, if y'all are in any other forums as well, please do share!

Let's get this thing going.


1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
- First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I think FC should be fine here.

2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
- First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new district alignment will help Hayfield more than anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given the new horrible National, they should be a .500 team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not sure who they are bringing back this year, but we will see.

3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
- I believe Shields' son is back for his senior year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be better than they were in the spring. Herndon went 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be over by halftime.

4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
- James Yoest is a better than average QB in the area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the spring.

5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
- Lee is a year or two away from being the next Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how they are able to field a team every year. Oakton is bad, Lee is even worse.

6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
- Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the game winner in the state championship is back, I believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation, we will see where they are in a hurry though. Looking forward to this one.

7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
- This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I think WS might surprise some folks. They have a good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the slight advantage given all their athletes. Should be a good one.

8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
- Co-game of the week. I really like this match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one of those schools where I’m not sure how much talent they lost. They are also now in the Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs, they have to beat the teams like Robinson.

9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
- Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they have been in years past with Wortham and the likes of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his commitment to ECU as well.

10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
- Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB - Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25 in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle. WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field. I think they will be better than they were last year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ win.

11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
- Meh.

12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
- I thought this was supposed to be the home opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in the spring.

13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax

14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)

15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
- Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the slight nod.

My thoughts

> 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
> - First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled
> Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I
> think FC should be fine here.
Agree, GM will struggle
>
> 2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
> - First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new
> district alignment will help Hayfield more than
> anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old
> Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in
> 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of
> a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given
> the new horrible National, they should be a .500
> team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not
> sure who they are bringing back this year, but we
> will see.
Agree, but this will be much closer then people think, Doc hasn't really done anything at LB
> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - I believe Shields' son is back for his senior
> year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be
> better than they were in the spring. Herndon went
> 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total
> of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their
> best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be
> over by halftime.
Agree, I thought the Shields kid graduated tho
>
> 4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
> - James Yoest is a better than average QB in the
> area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on
> that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep
> up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the
> spring. Yorktown is always very competitive...maybe a sleeper team
>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Lee is a year or two away from being the next
> Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how
> they are able to field a team every year. Oakton
> is bad, Lee is even worse.
I think Oakton will be much improved this year, senior QB is better then people think
>
> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone
> Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the
> game winner in the state championship is back, I
> believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a
> few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I
> don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation,
> we will see where they are in a hurry though.
> Looking forward to this one.
SB wins by 10
>
> 7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
> - This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I
> think WS might surprise some folks. They have a
> good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the
> slight advantage given all their athletes. Should
> be a good one.
I think WS is a better team and will win this one
>
> 8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
> - Co-game of the week. I really like this
> match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more
> diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to
> figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson
> leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one
> of those schools where I’m not sure how much
> talent they lost. They are also now in the
> Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs,
> they have to beat the teams like Robinson.
Close game, but Robinson wins
>
> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they
> have been in years past with Wortham and the likes
> of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes
> though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total
> cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they
> look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his
> commitment to ECU as well.
SoCo too much for Woodbridge, this will be a blow out
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ
> has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB -
> Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t
> know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25
> in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle.
> WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field.
> I think they will be better than they were last
> year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ
> win.
Westfield wins easily
>
> 11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
> - Meh.
lol, Agree
>
> 12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
> - I thought this was supposed to be the home
> opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also
> have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a
> classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in
> the spring. close game as TC always starts slow, but TC wins>
> 13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
>
> 14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
Marshall in a close game
>
> 15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
> - Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly
> in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po
> has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the
> slight nod.
WP wins, but a close game

Thank you for posting your spreads. And I take no offense from your posting the old school names; that's how I know them. Here is my stab at picking against your spreads.

parentof2 - week 1 Wrote:
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> Hello all! That time of the year is finally back
> upon us! Thankfully this year every school gets
> the normal ten game slate. I noticed a few
> scrimmages in the area were cancelled, not sure if
> it was for weather reasons or COVID reasons.
> Hopefully every school is able to get the majority
> of their games in this year. If we are cancelling
> games this year because of one positive test, we
> may be in trouble. Let's hope for the best.
>
> As I have done in previous years, I will post the
> results from the prior week as well as the spreads
> for the upcoming week on Sunday. I use the old
> school names as well, because that's just what I
> have known them as. Do not mean to offend anyone.
> Not sure what to expect from some schools in terms
> of who is coming, etc., and coming off the COVID
> spring season, it's been harder than ever to keep
> up. My goal is to get progressively better each
> week, so work with me the first few weeks. As
> always, I encourage comments/any input y'all want
> to put in! I have noticed the traffic is down on
> this thread as opposed to other years, maybe its
> the spammers, I don't know. I recommend the
> regulars copy and paste the URL so you don't lose
> it. I am also in a VAPreps forum, if y'all are in
> any other forums as well, please do share!
>
> Let's get this thing going.
>
>
> 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
> - First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled
> Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I
> think FC should be fine here.

Falls Church wins and covers
>
> 2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
> - First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new
> district alignment will help Hayfield more than
> anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old
> Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in
> 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of
> a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given
> the new horrible National, they should be a .500
> team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not
> sure who they are bringing back this year, but we
> will see.

Braddock wins and covers
>
> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - I believe Shields' son is back for his senior
> year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be
> better than they were in the spring. Herndon went
> 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total
> of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their
> best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be
> over by halftime.

I hate picking against big spreads, but your points are valid. Centreville wins and covers.
>
> 4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
> - James Yoest is a better than average QB in the
> area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on
> that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep
> up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the
> spring.

Yorktown wins and covers
>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Lee is a year or two away from being the next
> Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how
> they are able to field a team every year. Oakton
> is bad, Lee is even worse.

Oakton wins and covers.
>
> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone
> Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the
> game winner in the state championship is back, I
> believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a
> few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I
> don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation,
> we will see where they are in a hurry though.
> Looking forward to this one.

I think this will be closer. Stonebridge wins, doesn't cover
>
> 7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
> - This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I
> think WS might surprise some folks. They have a
> good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the
> slight advantage given all their athletes. Should
> be a good one.

I'll go with West Springfield to win outright
>
> 8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
> - Co-game of the week. I really like this
> match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more
> diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to
> figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson
> leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one
> of those schools where I’m not sure how much
> talent they lost. They are also now in the
> Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs,
> they have to beat the teams like Robinson.

I think South Lakes is more multi-dimensional than Robo. South Lakes wins and covers.
>
> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they
> have been in years past with Wortham and the likes
> of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes
> though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total
> cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they
> look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his
> commitment to ECU as well.

South County wins and covers
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ
> has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB -
> Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t
> know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25
> in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle.
> WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field.
> I think they will be better than they were last
> year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ
> win.
>

Westfield wins and covers
> 11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
> - Meh.
>
Is this the spread, or the over/under. I'll take Stuart to win, not to cover

> 12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
> - I thought this was supposed to be the home
> opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also
> have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a
> classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in
> the spring.

TC Williams wins and covers.
>
> 13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax

I saw Fairfax's scrimmage against Oakton, which they won 21-20. I think Fairfax will win against lesser teams, but get beat up in the Patriot. Is Wakefield really any good? I'll take Fairfax to win outright.
>
> 14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)

Marshall wins and covers.
>
> 15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
> - Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly
> in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po
> has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the
> slight nod.

Agree; WestPo wins and covers.

Region guys thoughts Wrote:
------------------------------------------------- 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
FC covers and wins

2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
Hayfield covers but loses. LB is average

3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
CV covers

4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
Langley covers but loses

5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
Oakton covers and wins by 20+

6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
Madison covers, but loses. Very close, Madison is for real

7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
West Springfield wins by 10+. WS will be very good

8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
Robinson wins by 35+. Rams will be better than expected

9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
SC wins by 30+

10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
WF wins by 17+

11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
Stuart covers

12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
TC covers and wins by 20+

13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
Fairfax wins

14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
Marshall covers

Prediction:
**2 or more of these games will not be played due to Covid**

Soco will be missing 25+ players for the game against Woodbridge due to Covid quarantines

damn that sucks, are they missing anyone significant? at least they are cancelling the game

ARENT***

Nigger business, his teammate 38 shot him in the head with a .38 , kinda funny.

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They won’t play if there’s that many missing.

Your spread for the TC game is too low. Annandale is apparently really really bad this year

parentof2 - week 1 Wrote:
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> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - I believe Shields' son is back for his senior
> year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be
> better than they were in the spring. Herndon went
> 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total
> of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their
> best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be
> over by halftime.

Jack Shields graduated so Centreville will have a first year starter. I assume it will be the sophomore Bryan Resto but don't know. Even so C'ville should be fine against Herndon.

>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Lee is a year or two away from being the next
> Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how
> they are able to field a team every year. Oakton
> is bad, Lee is even worse.

Don't foresee a Oakton losing this one.


> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone
> Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the
> game winner in the state championship is back, I
> believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a
> few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I
> don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation,
> we will see where they are in a hurry though.
> Looking forward to this one.

Billy Wiles graduated so SB will have a first year QB. Their QB will be Jacob Thomas - the WR that made that big catch this spring.

Madison will give them a good game. They lost a lot of size and experience on the lines but Madison has as much talent at the skill positions they have ever had. The QB Connor Barry is a 2 year starter with D1 offers, the RB Alex Jreige is a one of the best RBs in NOVA, WR/S John Hurley has D1 offers. Favorite to win the Concorde and challenge South County again in the state semis.


> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they
> have been in years past with Wortham and the likes
> of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes
> though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total
> cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they
> look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his
> commitment to ECU as well.

SoCo is loaded again. They are the new Westfield.

> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ
> has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB -
> Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t
> know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25
> in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle.
> WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field.
> I think they will be better than they were last
> year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ
> win.

Wheatland has transferred to Avalon. Westfield's D1 RB Legall is also not returning. Westfield is a lightly-talented team with new starters at almost every position. 6-4 is the best case scenario. I think Unity Reed/SJ could give them some problems.

https://youtu.be/Hnc8d_yia4c

Gay as fuck!

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> Apparently SOCO shut it down after several players
> got the vid. No practice, no scrimmage.

Any press release on this? I know schools are postponing games but the sports reporters ARE posting them on twitter, etc!!

Here we go. Another Northern VA news article that's all too happy to report the demise of HS Football!!! Y'all Liberal shitheads believe everything your biased papers write. Now the parents will keep their kids from playing football!!!

Here's the reality.. In other parts of the world, we love football!!! Oscar Smith opened their Fall training camp with over 100 kids?!! AND they don't play Freshman Football in the 757!!!



High school football participation continues to decrease

Dave Fawcett 6 hrs ago

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As the high school football season returns to its normal schedule this fall, a drop off in turnout remains an issue.

Only three of Prince William County’s 12 returning Class 6 high schools will field programs at all three levels (freshman, junior varsity and varsity) this season: Battlefield, Woodbridge and Hylton.

Gainesville, Prince William County’s new Class 6 high school, is slated to only have freshman and junior varsity teams since there is no senior class this school year.

In addition, three local schools will just have varsity teams for the second straight season: Unity Reed, Osbourn (city of Manassas) and Manassas Park.

Over the years, changing demographics, single-sport specialization and safety concerns have contributed to declining interest in high school football. A number of area schools have not fielded freshman teams for years.

But the pandemic added to the gradual downturn.

For a number of reasons, the biggest decline is at the freshman level, where the lack of interest is a carryover from the previous school year.

There were no middle school sports in 2020-21. COVID concerns kept numbers down as well. In addition, the seven-team Cardinal District cancelled all freshman sports, while only three schools in the six-team Cedar Run District had freshman teams.

With so many kids out of school and learning virtually and a short turnaround between football seasons, the pandemic also made it hard for high school coaches to promote their programs to incoming freshmen.

The pandemic pushed the 2020 season to the spring of 2021 and featured only six regular-season games as part of a compressed schedule to give sports from all three seasons a chance to compete.

Of the 11 local schools without freshman football this season, the biggest surprise is Patriot. A perennial playoff contender with seven postseason appearances in nine seasons, the Nokesville-based school had produced a freshman team since it opened in 2011.

The opening of Gainesville High School cut into Patriot’s enrollment by 455 students. At 2,795 students, Patriot was Prince William County’s third largest high school last school year. The 10th year school enters this fall with an enrollment of 2,340 students.

In 2019, Sean Finnerty’s first year as head coach, Patriot posted roster numbers in the 90s. This season, the Pioneers are at 70 total grades ninth through 12th.

Finnerty expected to see a decline, but not enough to prevent Patriot from having a team at each level since the school still has a large student body.

Finnerty said the Pioneers have 25 freshmen, which were enough bodies for a team. But two challenges remained. Patriot did not have enough freshmen to play all the necessary positions.

A small sophomore turnout also meant the Pioneers needed extra freshmen to fill out the junior varsity team. Given the choice between having a freshman or junior varsity program, Finnerty opted for the latter by moving all the freshmen to junior varsity.

Osbourn has 60 players, but did not have enough players at certain positions or had players lacking overall football experience. For safety reasons and to preserve depth in case of injuries, head coach Cortez Whiting did not want to stretch his players across more than one level at this point.

Coaches are hopeful the lower turnout is tied to lingering effects of the pandemic and will rebound in time. But for now, they are taking a wait-and-see approach, understanding that current numbers might stay the same or fall even further next season.

“We’re still in post-COVID,” Finnerty said. “Things are changing. The good thing is that you only have to put 11 on the field at one time. We will do the best we can.”

In volleyball, eight of Prince William County’s 13 high schools will have freshman, junior varsity and varsity squads. Freedom is the only school without a varsity team. The Eagles will compete on junior varsity. Manassas Park and Osbourn will compete in varsity and junior varsity volleyball.

For field hockey, which fields just junior varsity and varsity teams, four of the county’s 12 Class 6 schools have both. Class 3 Brentsville and Manassas Park have never had field hockey nor has Class 6 Freedom.

David Fawcett is the sports editor for InsideNoVa.com. Reach him at dfawcett@insidenova.com

I’m so glad you are concerned about the student athletes north of Richmond. You’re doing a great job. Keep it up!! And one more thing, watch who you are calling a liberal!! Call me a shithead all you want.

It's true though. The shitlibs have ruined high school sports, extracurricular activities and education/learning. Last year they killed it all for the sole purpose of making everyone miserable. I just can't fathom why people accept incompetence and failure as normal. It went from not letting kids play sports because they might get hurt to not letting them out of the house because they might catch a cold. Kids soon will live their lives in a bubble with their world being a virtual reality machine.

This isn't happening at all schools in NOVA though. I am still seeing programs in Fairfax and Loudoun counties with freshman, JV and Varsity football. I heard Westfield has 130 kids in their program this fall.

South County @ Woodbridge has been CANCELED

Unity Reed @ Westfield postponed????

A lot of the PWC schools have hired youth coaches as their HS coaches and they have no desire to field freshman teams. They try to.collext scholarship talent in all grades and don't waste their time developing young average kids for the future. You can win at Varsity that way but the program does little to help kids at the school who aren't destined to be college players. It's a different model that most of FCPS hasn't turned to yet, but it could be more.common soon since there aren't a lot of teacher coaches willing to take the job any longer.

Time for your weekly Oscar Smith update. Earlier, I had asked the question about IF any Northern Virginia HS Football teams had EVER produced an NFL Hall of Fame inductee? Of course this was related to Kenny Easley from Smith. However, their stadium is named Beard, DeLong, Easley Stadium for a good reason! Those of you from South County that got bored watching your team get drubbed (62-21) may have used your time to ponder the names.

From anecdotal stories from the other old guys in the bleachers, I can tell you that Steve DeLong was an animal. While he was @ Smith he decided to wrestle. The only problem was that the Tigers had no team. Despite that, and without a coach!!!!, He won a State Wrestling Championship! Below is the rest from Canton, OH.

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Steve DeLong

School
Tennessee

Induction
1993

Position: Middle Guard
Years: 1962-1964
Place of Birth: Norfolk,VA
Date of Birth: Jul 03, 1943
Place of Death: Knoxville, TN
Date of Death: Aug 18, 2010
Jersey Number: 65
Height: 6-3
Weight: 243
High School: Chesapeake, VA (Oscar Smith HS)

Steve DeLong played middle guard on defense for Tennessee 1962-1964. He made the Associated Press all-sophomore team in 1962, was voted defensive lineman of the year in the Southeastern Conference three times 1962-1964, and was All-America twice 1963-1964. Tennessee's record in those days was 4-6, 5-5, 4-5-1. In 1964 DeLong, 6-3 and 243- pounds, won the Outland Trophy as the nation's best interior lineman, was picked Lineman of the Year by the Columbus Touchdown Club and Birmingham Touchdown Club, and was voted Most Valuable Player in the Senior Bowl. In 1964 he was captain of the Tennessee team and captain of the East team in the East-West Shrine Bowl. In 1968 a panel of experts picked an all-time Southeastern Conference team, spanning 35 years 1933-1967, and DeLong was on it. In 1990, in a fans' vote, he was named to Tennessee's all-time team, covering 100 years of football 1890-1989. Steve's son, Keith, was linebacker at Tennessee and was captain and All- America in 1988. Keith was also selected to the "100 years of Volunteers" team in 1990. Steve's brother, Ken, played at Tennessee 1967-1969. After college Steve DeLong played defensive end for San Diego and Chicago in the National Football League from 1965-1972.
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So is the only cancellation so far South County? Anyone else cancel their games?

PPD? Wrote:
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> So is the only cancellation so far South County?
> Anyone else cancel their games?


US Marine team in Kabul had to cancel. They had 4 players come down with shitty president disease this morning.

just one Wrote:
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> PPD? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So is the only cancellation so far South
> County?
> > Anyone else cancel their games?
>
>
> US Marine team in Kabul had to cancel. They had 4
> players come down with shitty president disease
> this morning

Impeachable offense, dereliction of duty from our puppet President.

I’m sure you were equally outrage but the previous administration abandoning the Kurds in Syria. If not, why not. Show your work.

And now back to football.

Have there been any edicts from VHSL or the northern region as to how Covid postponements or cancellations will be handled? In the spring there was the Westfield/lake Braddock exception, just wondering what the guidelines are now.

Puh-leeze Wrote:
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> I’m sure you were equally outrage but the
> previous administration abandoning the Kurds in
> Syria. If not, why not. Show your work.


I don't give a shit if we abandon any muzzie over there. They've been killing each other for over a thousand years. It's the US marines getting killed due to the complete incompetence of this president. He is worse than GW Bush, and I didn't think that was possible. The good news is that it looks like we have a Cat3 hurricane bearing down on New Orleans, so we might get to see Biden surpass Bush's fuckup there as well. You're an idiot. No offense.

Update your roster info, Shields is PWO @ ODU
Caleb reclassed last year and plays at private school, no more WHS.

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>3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
>I believe Shields' son is back for his senior year at QB, I am expecting
> Centreville to be better than they were in the spring. Herndon went 0-6, got
> shutout 3 times and scored a grand total of 40 points in 6 games. They also
> graduated their best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be over by halftime.

Herndon 7 Centreville 35 F

Lots of thunder, ANY final score?

Not sure if they were able to finish game but FR-Woodbridge living up to its horrible reputation.

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-two-teens-injured-in-shooting-at-freedom-high-school-in-woodbridge/article_c246f68e-07a4-11ec-9780-173a3de00d7d.html?fbclid=IwAR3jOs-mNi0AFQn5iZaugdlN_t9Ec6jDMMAxLZeOefTkYWJFd09-hntj4HU#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Wasn’t it them and their crosstown rival a couple of years ago had to cancel a night game and play Sat am due to threat of gun violence?

6TLJN Wrote:
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> Not sure if they were able to finish game but
> FR-Woodbridge living up to its horrible
> reputation.
>
> https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-two-t
> eens-injured-in-shooting-at-freedom-high-school-in
> -woodbridge/article_c246f68e-07a4-11ec-9780-173a3d
> e00d7d.html?fbclid=IwAR3jOs-mNi0AFQn5iZaugdlN_t9Ec
> 6jDMMAxLZeOefTkYWJFd09-hntj4HU#utm_campaign=blox&u
> tm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
>
> Wasn’t it them and their crosstown rival a
> couple of years ago had to cancel a night game and
> play Sat am due to threat of gun violence?

Always too much drama with Overton & his Freedom (W) teams. Let's see if he attempts to address his community about this?

Overton sure does run a very nigger program over there

O,Smith Wrote:
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> 6TLJN Wrote:
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> > Not sure if they were able to finish game but
> > FR-Woodbridge living up to its horrible
> > reputation.
> >
> >
> https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-two-t
>
> >
> eens-injured-in-shooting-at-freedom-high-school-in
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> >
> -woodbridge/article_c246f68e-07a4-11ec-9780-173a3d
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> >
> e00d7d.html?fbclid=IwAR3jOs-mNi0AFQn5iZaugdlN_t9Ec
>
> >
> 6jDMMAxLZeOefTkYWJFd09-hntj4HU#utm_campaign=blox&u
>
> > tm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
> >
> > Wasn’t it them and their crosstown rival a
> > couple of years ago had to cancel a night game
> and
> > play Sat am due to threat of gun violence?
>
> Always too much drama with Overton & his Freedom
> (W) teams. Let's see if he attempts to address his
> community about this?

He’s a middle aged man still dressing like Mr.T. Not exactly the greatest role
model.

Pretty successful first weekend! Only one game was cancelled and although quite a few games were postponed until yesterday due to lightning, every game in the area aside from the South County game was completed! Hopefully we can keep it up the entire season at this pace.


1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
- George Mason wins 37-7, was way off with this one.

2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
- Lake Braddock won 23-0, missed this one by a point. Game was called early in the 3rd quarter.

3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
- Centreville won 35-7, but did not cover. I believe this one was called early as well.

4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
- Yorktown won 19-14, but did not cover.

5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
- Oakton won and covered, 37-0.

6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
- Stone Bridge won and covered, 20-0.

7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
- West Springfield won 24-14. I picked this one wrong but a lot of y’all picked WS correctly.

8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
- Robinson blasted South Lakes 54-14, I did not see the score being that lopsided.

9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
- Game was cancelled due to COVID.

10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
- Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if SJ won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive game.

11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
- Stuart won 27-14, missing the spread by 2 points.

12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
- T.C. blanked Annandale 27-0, game was called early as well.

13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
- Fairfax won 19-14, probably won’t pick Wakefield again this year.

14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
Marshall won and covered, 13-0.

15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
- WP won big, 30-0.

Thank you guys for all of your input on last week’s spreads, i find it interesting to see what the rest of y’all think! I learned some things from other users that I previously didn’t know, so again, thanks y’all! I believe the majority of this weeks slate (if not every game) is being played on Thursday night, 9/2.


1. Chantilly (-28) @ Falls Church
- Going to be interesting to see how Chantilly looks in their opener. FC lost to Mason by 30 points, could be a long year for the Jags.

2. Lake Braddock @ Madison (-6)
- Game of the week. LB has a chance to make a statement against a regional contender, Madison has a chance to make a statement as well after getting shut out against Stone Bridge. Something has got to give!

3. Langley (-6) @ Fairfax
- Could very well be a toss up game. Langley hung close with Yorktown while a bad Wakefield team kept it close with Fairfax. My gut tells me Langley wins.

4. Marshall (-5) @ McLean
- Give me Marshall in a close one.

5. Mount Vernon (-8) @ Stuart
- Not sure if MV is as good this year as they have been in recent years, but either way they should be fine on the road at JEB.

6. Oakton (-3) @ Woodson
- My “meh” game of the week.

7. Robinson (-30) @ Annandale
- Did not expect Robinson to beat South Lakes by 40, are they legit this year? That’s a score you’d expect from a late 2000’s Robinson team! A user also stated that Annandale was bad this year and I have to agree. This one will be over by halftime.

8. South County (-28) @ Hayfield
- Hopefully SoCo is able to play this week. Hayfield never beats South County though, I believe their last win against SoCo came in 2012. I don’t see that changing this year either.

9. Stone Bridge (-17) @ Centreville
- Co-game of the week. Centreville is going to have to execute flawlessly on offense if they want a chance to even hit double digits on the Bulldog defense. Stone Bridge ain’t no Herndon, Cville…

10. T.C. Williams (-14) @ South Lakes
- Intriguing game, will South Lakes actually show up this week? If they don’t, this one will get ugly as well. I like T.C. and their athletes on the road.

11. Wakefield @ West Potomac (-15)

12. West Springfield (-20) @ Edison
- This would’ve been a really good game in 2007 or 2008.

13. Westfield (-20) @ Washington-Lee
- Bounce back game for Westfield.

14. Woodrow Wilson (DC) @ Yorktown (-9)
- Yorktown’s annual home game against a DC school that I know nothing about. What I do know is Yorktown needs to look better than they looked against Langley last week.

Picks for the week, last week 13-2

1. Chantilly (-28) @ Falls Church
- Going to be interesting to see how Chantilly
looks in their opener. FC lost to Mason by 30
points, could be a long year for the Jags.
Chantilly will coast this will be over by half, Chantilly will hang over 50 on FC

2. Lake Braddock @ Madison (-6)
- Game of the week. LB has a chance to make a
statement against a regional contender, Madison
has a chance to make a statement as well after
getting shut out against Stone Bridge. Something
has got to give!
LB has been nothing more then average under Doc, Madison wins 21-7

3. Langley (-6) @ Fairfax
- Could very well be a toss up game. Langley hung
close with Yorktown while a bad Wakefield team
kept it close with Fairfax. My gut tells me
Langley wins.
Fairfax is better, they win 24-14

4. Marshall (-5) @ McLean
- Give me Marshall in a close one.
Marshall wins 21-14

5. Mount Vernon (-8) @ Stuart
- Not sure if MV is as good this year as they have
been in recent years, but either way they should
be fine on the road at JEB.
MTV wins 28-7

6. Oakton (-3) @ Woodson
- My “meh” game of the week.
Oakton has improved, Oakton 27-7

7. Robinson (-30) @ Annandale
- Did not expect Robinson to beat South Lakes by
40, are they legit this year? That’s a score
you’d expect from a late 2000’s Robinson team!
A user also stated that Annandale was bad this
year and I have to agree. This one will be over by
halftime.
Robinson is for real, they win easily 52-0

8. South County (-28) @ Hayfield
- Hopefully SoCo is able to play this week.
Hayfield never beats South County though, I
believe their last win against SoCo came in 2012.
I don’t see that changing this year either.
SoCo still the team to beat in the region, SoCo 48-7

9. Stone Bridge (-17) @ Centreville
- Co-game of the week. Centreville is going to
have to execute flawlessly on offense if they want
a chance to even hit double digits on the Bulldog
defense. Stone Bridge ain’t no Herndon,
Cville…
SB is the better team, SB 21-7

10. T.C. Williams (-14) @ South Lakes
- Intriguing game, will South Lakes actually show
up this week? If they don’t, this one will get
ugly as well. I like T.C. and their athletes on
the road.
TC getting things together, they win 35-14

11. Wakefield @ West Potomac (-15)
WP way to much for Wakefield, 48-0

12. West Springfield (-20) @ Edison
- This would’ve been a really good game in 2007
or 2008.

WS easily, 42-7

13. Westfield (-20) @ Washington-Lee
- Bounce back game for Westfield.
Westfield will blow them out 42-0

14. Woodrow Wilson (DC) @ Yorktown (-9)
- Yorktown’s annual home game against a DC
school that I know nothing about. What I do know
is Yorktown needs to look better than they looked
against Langley last week.
Yorktown is always a sleeper they win 28-7

1. Chantilly (-28) @ Falls Church
Chantilly by 35+

2. Lake Braddock @ Madison (-6)
Madison by 14+. LB is slightly above average

3. Langley (-6) @ Fairfax
Fairfax wins close

4. Marshall (-5) @ McLean
McLean wins close

5. Mount Vernon (-8) @ Stuart
MTV by 14+

6. Oakton (-3) @ Woodson
Oakton by +10

7. Robinson (-30) @ Annandale
Robinson by as many as they want

8. South County (-28) @ Hayfield
SoCo by as many as they want

9. Stone Bridge (-17) @ Centreville
SB by 28+

10. T.C. Williams (-14) @ South Lakes
SL wins close

11. Wakefield @ West Potomac (-15)
WP by 21+

12. West Springfield (-20) @ Edison
WS by 28+

13. Westfield (-20) @ Washington-Lee
WF by 21+

14. Woodrow Wilson (DC) @ Yorktown (-9)
Yorktown by 14+

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O.Smith Wrote:
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> Time for your weekly Oscar Smith update. Earlier,
> I had asked the question about IF any Northern
> Virginia HS Football teams had EVER produced an
> NFL Hall of Fame inductee? Of course this was
> related to Kenny Easley from Smith. However, their
> stadium is named Beard, DeLong, Easley Stadium for
> a good reason! Those of you from South County that
> got bored watching your team get drubbed (62-21)
> may have used your time to ponder the names.
>
> From anecdotal stories from the other old guys in
> the bleachers, I can tell you that Steve DeLong
> was an animal. While he was @ Smith he decided to
> wrestle. The only problem was that the Tigers had
> no team. Despite that, and without a coach!!!!, He
> won a State Wrestling Championship! Below is the
> rest from Canton, OH.
>
> Hall of Fame
> Choose a Hall Of Fame Member:
> Steve DeLong
>
> School
> Tennessee
>
> Induction
> 1993
>
> Position: Middle Guard
> Years: 1962-1964
> Place of Birth: Norfolk,VA
> Date of Birth: Jul 03, 1943
> Place of Death: Knoxville, TN
> Date of Death: Aug 18, 2010
> Jersey Number: 65
> Height: 6-3
> Weight: 243
> High School: Chesapeake, VA (Oscar Smith HS)
>
> Steve DeLong played middle guard on defense for
> Tennessee 1962-1964. He made the Associated Press
> all-sophomore team in 1962, was voted defensive
> lineman of the year in the Southeastern Conference
> three times 1962-1964, and was All-America twice
> 1963-1964. Tennessee's record in those days was
> 4-6, 5-5, 4-5-1. In 1964 DeLong, 6-3 and 243-
> pounds, won the Outland Trophy as the nation's
> best interior lineman, was picked Lineman of the
> Year by the Columbus Touchdown Club and Birmingham
> Touchdown Club, and was voted Most Valuable Player
> in the Senior Bowl. In 1964 he was captain of the
> Tennessee team and captain of the East team in the
> East-West Shrine Bowl. In 1968 a panel of experts
> picked an all-time Southeastern Conference team,
> spanning 35 years 1933-1967, and DeLong was on it.
> In 1990, in a fans' vote, he was named to
> Tennessee's all-time team, covering 100 years of
> football 1890-1989. Steve's son, Keith, was
> linebacker at Tennessee and was captain and All-
> America in 1988. Keith was also selected to the
> "100 years of Volunteers" team in 1990. Steve's
> brother, Ken, played at Tennessee 1967-1969. After
> college Steve DeLong played defensive end for San
> Diego and Chicago in the National Football League
> from 1965-1972.
> Footer




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Still waiting for that list of NFL Hall Fame Inductees from Northern VA???

parentof2 - wk 1 results Wrote:
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> Pretty successful first weekend! Only one game was
> cancelled and although quite a few games were
> postponed until yesterday due to lightning, every
> game in the area aside from the South County game
> was completed! Hopefully we can keep it up the
> entire season at this pace.
>
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if SJ
> won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive game.
>
What game were you watching? This game was probably one of the worst displays of offensive execution-by BOTH teams-that I have ever soon. Unity Reed will probably win 5-6 games because of they have some good athletes at RB and WR and also the 5 star MLB Young (they are very o young, by the way). Westfield is also fairly young, but have the same issues as last year-the secondary and blocking. I give them a pass on all the fumbles since it was the first real game for their SO QB. If Westfield doesn't correct their weaknesses they are probably looking at 6-4 or possibly 5-5. If they progress quickly, perhaps 8-2 or 7-3.

7LL7P Wrote:
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> parentof2 - wk 1 results Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> > - Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if SJ
> > won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive game.
> >
> What game were you watching? This game was
> probably one of the worst displays of offensive
> execution-by BOTH teams-that I have ever soon.
> Unity Reed will probably win 5-6 games because of
> they have some good athletes at RB and WR and also
> the 5 star MLB Young (they are very o young, by
> the way). Westfield is also fairly young, but have
> the same issues as last year-the secondary and
> blocking. I give them a pass on all the fumbles
> since it was the first real game for their SO QB.
> If Westfield doesn't correct their weaknesses they
> are probably looking at 6-4 or possibly 5-5. If
> they progress quickly, perhaps 8-2 or 7-3.

Yep. Westfield could go either way - no clue how it will shake out. Seven first year starters on offense. Don't have any game-breaking talent this year but they are good enough to win a lot of games if the QB gives them a chance. As you say, it was his first start. Gotta figure he isn't going to fumble 7 times every game. Offhand he looks to be about the best athlete on the offense. They could win a couple of playoff games or not make the playoffs.

pjdeh Wrote:
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> 7LL7P Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > parentof2 - wk 1 results Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> > > - Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if
> SJ
> > > won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive game.
>
> > >
> > What game were you watching? This game was
> > probably one of the worst displays of offensive
> > execution-by BOTH teams-that I have ever soon.
> > Unity Reed will probably win 5-6 games because
> of
> > they have some good athletes at RB and WR and
> also
> > the 5 star MLB Young (they are very o young, by
> > the way). Westfield is also fairly young, but
> have
> > the same issues as last year-the secondary and
> > blocking. I give them a pass on all the fumbles
> > since it was the first real game for their SO
> QB.
> > If Westfield doesn't correct their weaknesses
> they
> > are probably looking at 6-4 or possibly 5-5. If
> > they progress quickly, perhaps 8-2 or 7-3.
>
> Yep. Westfield could go either way - no clue how
> it will shake out. Seven first year starters on
> offense. Don't have any game-breaking talent this
> year but they are good enough to win a lot of
> games if the QB gives them a chance. As you say,
> it was his first start. Gotta figure he isn't
> going to fumble 7 times every game. Offhand he
> looks to be about the best athlete on the offense.
> They could win a couple of playoff games or not
> make the playoffs.

If the QB is the best athlete on offense then I'd say WF football has dropped off significantly from just a couple years ago. I would imagine that could be said for most of NOVA high school programs in FFX County. Seems like the kids are smaller and not as athletic. Guess there probably a few families moving out to Loudon County as well. Looks like WF's glory days are behind them, well, it certainly was a pretty successful ride up until last season.

That's a shame Wrote:
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>
> If the QB is the best athlete on offense then I'd
> say WF football has dropped off significantly from
> just a couple years ago. I would imagine that
> could be said for most of NOVA high school
> programs in FFX County. Seems like the kids are
> smaller and not as athletic.

I have to absolutely agree with this. Football, at least in NOVA, is far inferior to what it was in the 2000-2015 years. Numbers are down. Athleticism is down. Size is down. Back in the 2000-2015 years there were multiple teams - not just one or two - mostly the Concorde, but also teams like Lake Braddock, South County, Robinson, and the occasional upstart - who could make noise in the playoffs and then have a legit shot at the state level. Just not the same now. If I rated the 2000-2015 period a "10", by comparison the quality of play now is more like a "7" or "6".

That's a shame Wrote:
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> pjdeh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 7LL7P Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > parentof2 - wk 1 results Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > > 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> > > > - Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if
> > SJ
> > > > won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive
> game.
> >
> > > >
> > > What game were you watching? This game was
> > > probably one of the worst displays of
> offensive
> > > execution-by BOTH teams-that I have ever
> soon.
> > > Unity Reed will probably win 5-6 games
> because
> > of
> > > they have some good athletes at RB and WR and
> > also
> > > the 5 star MLB Young (they are very o young,
> by
> > > the way). Westfield is also fairly young, but
> > have
> > > the same issues as last year-the secondary
> and
> > > blocking. I give them a pass on all the
> fumbles
> > > since it was the first real game for their SO
> > QB.
> > > If Westfield doesn't correct their weaknesses
> > they
> > > are probably looking at 6-4 or possibly 5-5.
> If
> > > they progress quickly, perhaps 8-2 or 7-3.
> >
> > Yep. Westfield could go either way - no clue
> how
> > it will shake out. Seven first year starters
> on
> > offense. Don't have any game-breaking talent
> this
> > year but they are good enough to win a lot of
> > games if the QB gives them a chance. As you
> say,
> > it was his first start. Gotta figure he isn't
> > going to fumble 7 times every game. Offhand he
> > looks to be about the best athlete on the
> offense.
> > They could win a couple of playoff games or
> not
> > make the playoffs.
>
> If the QB is the best athlete on offense then I'd
> say WF football has dropped off significantly from
> just a couple years ago. I would imagine that
> could be said for most of NOVA high school
> programs in FFX County. Seems like the kids are
> smaller and not as athletic. Guess there probably
> a few families moving out to Loudon County as
> well. Looks like WF's glory days are behind them,
> well, it certainly was a pretty successful ride up
> until last season.


FFX CO Football is SHIT now!! They’ll beat us down south every year here on out

Fairfax County football sucks worse than Bishop Sycamore.

Late with my results -- had a bad internet service provider.



parentof2 - wk 1 results Wrote:
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> Pretty successful first weekend! Only one game was
> cancelled and although quite a few games were
> postponed until yesterday due to lightning, every
> game in the area aside from the South County game
> was completed! Hopefully we can keep it up the
> entire season at this pace.
>
>
> 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
> - George Mason wins 37-7, was way off with this
> one.
>
I also took Falls Church to win and cover. Falls Church must be really bad this season

> 2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
> - Lake Braddock won 23-0, missed this one by a
> point. Game was called early in the 3rd quarter.

Took Lake Braddock to win and cover. I'm one point short of covering, but I'm going to count this anyway, because if the game hadn't been called, I'm sure Lake Braddock would have scored again.
>
> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - Centreville won 35-7, but did not cover. I
> believe this one was called early as well.

I also took Centreville to win and cover, and I'm counting this one for me as well. See above.
>
> 4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
> - Yorktown won 19-14, but did not cover.

Right winner, wrong against the spread. Is Langley better than we thought? Or is Yorktown not as good as we thought?
>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Oakton won and covered, 37-0.

Got this one right
>
> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Stone Bridge won and covered, 20-0.

Took Stonebridge to win, but not cover.
>
> 7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
> - West Springfield won 24-14. I picked this one
> wrong but a lot of y’all picked WS correctly.

Got both the winner and the spread correct.
>
> 8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
> - Robinson blasted South Lakes 54-14, I did not
> see the score being that lopsided.

I really blew this one.
>
> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Game was cancelled due to COVID.
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Well, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if SJ
> won, and they did, 20-14. Good defensive game.

Shocked the heck out of me. Has the King been dethroned?
>
> 11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
> - Stuart won 27-14, missing the spread by 2
> points.

I took Stuart to win, but since I had doubts that even 15 points would be scored, I predicted Stuart to win, not cover. Got both right.
>
> 12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
> - T.C. blanked Annandale 27-0, game was called
> early as well.

Right winner and correct against the spread.
>
> 13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
> - Fairfax won 19-14, probably won’t pick
> Wakefield again this year.

Fairfax getting 10 points against an awful Wakefield team was easily the best bargain of the week.
>
> 14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
> Marshall won and covered, 13-0.
>

Picked Marhshall to win and cover.

> 15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
> - WP won big, 30-0.

Picked West Po to win and cover

parentof2 - week 2 Wrote:
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> Thank you guys for all of your input on last
> week’s spreads, i find it interesting to see
> what the rest of y’all think! I learned some
> things from other users that I previously didn’t
> know, so again, thanks y’all! I believe the
> majority of this weeks slate (if not every game)
> is being played on Thursday night, 9/2.
>
>
> 1. Chantilly (-28) @ Falls Church
> - Going to be interesting to see how Chantilly
> looks in their opener. FC lost to Mason by 30
> points, could be a long year for the Jags.

I saw Chantilly scrimmage, and they looked good. Given how bad Falls Church looked last week, I'd say this spread isn't big enough. Chantilly wins and covers.

>
> 2. Lake Braddock @ Madison (-6)
> - Game of the week. LB has a chance to make a
> statement against a regional contender, Madison
> has a chance to make a statement as well after
> getting shut out against Stone Bridge. Something
> has got to give!

I think Lake Braddock is better. They win outright (and I'm happy to get six points).

>
> 3. Langley (-6) @ Fairfax
> - Could very well be a toss up game. Langley hung
> close with Yorktown while a bad Wakefield team
> kept it close with Fairfax. My gut tells me
> Langley wins.

Before the season, I would have happily taken Fairfax against Langley if I was also getting six points. After last week, I'm not so sure, though the Fairfax Wakefield score wasn't as close as it appeared, given that Wakefield scored its TD when the game resumed on Saturday (with about 11 minutes left in the 4th Quarter). I'll take Langley to win, but not cover.

>
> 4. Marshall (-5) @ McLean
> - Give me Marshall in a close one.

Marshall wins and covers.
>
> 5. Mount Vernon (-8) @ Stuart
> - Not sure if MV is as good this year as they have
> been in recent years, but either way they should
> be fine on the road at JEB.

Mt. Vernon wins and covers.
>
> 6. Oakton (-3) @ Woodson
> - My “meh” game of the week.

Having only a 3 point spread in the "MEH" game means that I can't talk about this being an over/under situation. Oakton has been terrible for a few years now, and Woodson has recently returned to terrible status. Since Woodson didn't play last week, they won't be game tested like Oakton is. I'll take Oakton to win outright.
>
> 7. Robinson (-30) @ Annandale
> - Did not expect Robinson to beat South Lakes by
> 40, are they legit this year? That’s a score
> you’d expect from a late 2000’s Robinson team!
> A user also stated that Annandale was bad this
> year and I have to agree. This one will be over by
> halftime.

Robo wins and covers. Easily. Even with this big spread.
>
> 8. South County (-28) @ Hayfield
> - Hopefully SoCo is able to play this week.
> Hayfield never beats South County though, I
> believe their last win against SoCo came in 2012.
> I don’t see that changing this year either.

If SoCo plays, they win and cover.
>
> 9. Stone Bridge (-17) @ Centreville
> - Co-game of the week. Centreville is going to
> have to execute flawlessly on offense if they want
> a chance to even hit double digits on the Bulldog
> defense. Stone Bridge ain’t no Herndon,
> Cville…
>

Stone Bridge wins, doesn't cover.

> 10. T.C. Williams (-14) @ South Lakes
> - Intriguing game, will South Lakes actually show
> up this week? If they don’t, this one will get
> ugly as well. I like T.C. and their athletes on
> the road.

I over estimated South Lakes last week. TCW wins and covers.
>
> 11. Wakefield @ West Potomac (-15)

I see you're done predicting Wakefield to win. West Po wins and covers.
>
> 12. West Springfield (-20) @ Edison
> - This would’ve been a really good game in 2007
> or 2008.

West Springfield wins and covers.
>
> 13. Westfield (-20) @ Washington-Lee
> - Bounce back game for Westfield.

Westfield wins and covers. Why would Washington-Lee even schedule Westfield?
>
> 14. Woodrow Wilson (DC) @ Yorktown (-9)
> - Yorktown’s annual home game against a DC
> school that I know nothing about. What I do know
> is Yorktown needs to look better than they looked
> against Langley last week.

This is hard to predict, but I'll take Yorktown to win and cover.