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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: easy now big fella ()
Date: June 18, 2021 02:06PM

first post, second page

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: uecpk ()
Date: June 18, 2021 08:30PM

nufan Wrote:
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> fall!!

^^^
This is one way we know you are just the Oscar Smith fan arguing with yourself. That and the unlikely chance anyone in Fairfax County has the slightest clue what T's you are selling in the 757. But go on. I wonder if you will respond?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Let’s Go ()
Date: June 18, 2021 08:49PM

https://youtu.be/EQ18lfkgIoE Money Medal
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: June 19, 2021 02:58AM

Dude, Westfield had their run and they barely beat Smith despite those teams having different head coaches each year between 2015-17, major injuries & multiple transfers out of their program! The Bulldogs haven't even played in 15 games since 2017!!!

South County will likely keep returning to the State Title game because no one in NorthernVA can solve their simple, fast-paced offensive scheme. Smith won't be going anywhere because they have the support from both of the top middle school feeder programs. AND, I do expect that they will continue to get transfers who want that ring.

Y'all won't even play Highland Springs or even Freedom for that matter!!

So, now name a team that has played 15 games more than Smith since 2004? The only team I can think of who is close is Salem but no one in your area would consider them because they are in Class 4!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nufan ()
Date: June 19, 2021 08:01AM

Nobody up here wants to travel to play Highlands Springs. Nobody wants to play a division 4 team in Salem. Heck only a few teams will play Stonebridge. It’s all about power points. Freedom had a few good years. Got busted for illegal players and the kids are going to other schools. Traveling around this area on a Friday night sucks!! You play schools close too you and there’s 30 of them. Nice excuses on losing to Westfield. Sure OS has won a lot of games…but I stand by my point. Their record is 3-5 when it counts the most. That could be 10-5 in 7 years. Who knows.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: tomlite770 ()
Date: June 19, 2021 11:29AM

All the Right Moves is a good HS football movie.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: region guy thoughts ()
Date: June 19, 2021 11:17PM

Patriot Division Pre Season predictions - These are only my thoughts, I am not trying to offend any program. All have their own merits. I will do the Concord next

1. South County - Will reload for another run at the state title, lots of athletes in every position. 1 of the top players in the state

2. Robinson - Will run the wing T and only throw when they have to. Solid defense will keep them at the top

3. West Springfield - Solid coaching wins them games, they play within their system and do a good job. Look for the QB to have a great year

4. Alexandria City High School(TC Williams) - Always has athletes, but do they have a coaching staff that is disciplined enough to teach the fundamentals. 6-4/5-5

5. Lake Braddock - I think the days of LB being a top team has passed them by. They always have some of the best talent in the region, but they have underachieved for the past 3 years. They have a good young RB, but I am not sure the QB is good enough to stop teams from keeping 7-8 in box. Might be time for a coaching change 5-5

6. Fairfax - The coaching staff every year seems to make the most of what they have, which isn't a lot. The will get win against Woodson and WP and maybe 2 wins out of district 4-6

7. West Potomac - Ill be honest I dont know enough about them right now. But they haven't been very good the last 3 years 2-8/3-7

8. Woodson - New coach, but it will be the same old Woodson. Every couple of years they get a few good athletes and do well for a season. I dont think this is the season they do well. It will be a long season for then, they will be lucky to be 2-8/3-7

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Centreville ()
Date: June 19, 2021 11:38PM


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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O. Smith ()
Date: June 29, 2021 08:26PM

Wooww, i stayed off FFU for a couple of weeks & the sight went to shit.

Just thought I'd update y'all & give ya something to debate.

Smith is #36 in MaxPreps National Rankings. Hummmm, I can't find South County in this list. Maybe it's because they lost to Smith 62-21!!!???

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=546b7f48-229b-4990-8c37-a99a72034344

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: NoYoudidnt ()
Date: June 29, 2021 08:28PM

How a little post can ruin generations.
Let’s get the pretty girls hurt on here to host maybe.
Imagine pulling up to the posters house to confront them.
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Imagine the interview wCary.
All the no comments.


All Alleged not fact checked list.

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Arlington 1
Burke 2
Chantilly 2
DC 25
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McLean/FC/GF 10+
Springfield 6
Lorton 1
Woodbridge 13
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The names will go to the authorities (like they don’t know already just waiting for the public to catch on)

Dont post on this site or even come here.
Shills all over trying to get you to bite on an opinion over division.
Just ignore and help.
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If you posted don’t again and make peace.

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The best way to help is ask your local public official their opinion of FairfaxUnderground.com. If you have a camera even better.
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Just walk around asking people if they would share their opinion.
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nufan ()
Date: June 29, 2021 10:56PM

Why would max preps put South County or any Nova school on their list. They never do. No Stonebridge who beat Highland Springs last year. No team up here in Div 6 will be that good anyways. OS belongs on it…right up there with all the teams that recruit ( transfers as OS calls it). Since this site has gone upside down, did you know Cville won states in basketball 2 years in a row, Madison won states in Baseball, Yorktown won states in lacrosse…All teams from Nova, just saying. With all that said, hope OS does beat the number 3 team in the country!!

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High School Football 2021
Posted by: Mayham ()
Date: June 30, 2021 08:13AM

What new coach will have the biggest impact year one? Feels like we had a lot of coaching changes.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Live ()
Date: July 01, 2021 08:43AM

Nufan...

You're right... NoVa schools going to and winning states...

...girls sports even more so... Example: State champion James Madison field hockey undefeated and unscored on... and that team is ranked higher nationally than their baseball team.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Mike w ()
Date: July 06, 2021 01:10PM

how many 20 year olds on oscar smith?how many can actually spell football?how many with ankle bracelets

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O. Smith ()
Date: July 18, 2021 09:37PM

Mike w Wrote:
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> how many 20 year olds on oscar smith?how many can
> actually spell football?how many with ankle
> bracelets

100% evidence Northern VA has given up on football. No worries, I'll keep y'all updated. FYI, VHSL has posted the HS Football Schedule. Smith has an open date on Sept 3. Look for another big game announcement. We rarely win those but at least we don't play lacrosse!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nufan ()
Date: July 19, 2021 07:27PM

We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit better. Why do you think they hired him. To get over the hump. No high school up her would hire him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Tacco ()
Date: July 19, 2021 08:50PM

Stormitt Wrote:
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> >>>Now that’s funny!! My wife doesn’t sit next
> to me at the games!!
>
> My wife also doesn't like to attend football
> matches with me. However, this is a consequence of
> the fact that our support group consists of almost
> all guys. She is not interested in beer and rude
> jokes) However, I watch most of the football
> matches live at home or in the sports bar. The
> schedule of matches is always at hand here -
> https://www.ua-football.com/en/betting/bookmakers/
> 16-pinnacle Sometimes I place bets using this
> service, but not so often (because of my wife).


She doesn’t go with you because you are Douche bag. It is a football GAME. It isn’t tennis.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: cavsfan22 ()
Date: July 19, 2021 09:01PM

I heard Woodson is going to Crush everyone!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Live ()
Date: July 21, 2021 11:27PM


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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: jxjpy ()
Date: July 25, 2021 09:58PM

Interesting schedule from Stone Bridge - they play Madison, Centreville, Freedom-Woodbridge, Colonial Forge and Broad Run outside of their district play.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: wtf is this ()
Date: July 26, 2021 12:38AM

nufan Wrote:
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> We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit
> better. Why do you think they hired him. To get
> over the hump. No high school up her would hire
> him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA
> teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.


Do you speak English?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: July 26, 2021 05:49PM

nufan Wrote:
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> We didn’t give up….OS and Scott just recruit
> better. Why do you think they hired him. To get
> over the hump. No high school up her would hire
> him except Freedom. Had a hard time betting NOVA
> teams. Know everyone plays for runner up.


Teams don't recruit directly. Westfield knows this best. The club team/ middle school coaches that run their outside "training" programs direct where the kids go to high school. The HS coaches that have the best relationships with those guys win. Before IMG, those Miami school programs set the model that the rest of the country is following now.

Northern VA schools are just suffering from growth problems that prevents a dominant training program from developing. But I agree with your statement about playing for second place. Smith is reloading with class 24 & 25 kids getting P5 D1 offers. If those kids stay in SoNo, they'll make a run streak like Hampton & Phoebus!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: July 26, 2021 07:26PM

MaxPreps All Sophomore Team:

Smith reloads... Desmond Ricks was a incoming Freshman that transferred to IMG when covid delayed the VHSL 2020 season. He trains with S. Civil & A. Brown, who made this list!! Imagine if Ricks came back to Chesapeake for the fall!!?? Would there be a better defensive backfield in the country???
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Almost Time ()
Date: July 28, 2021 01:18PM

South County starts off with a scrimmage at Highland Springs, good way to start

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: NuttFan ()
Date: July 28, 2021 10:04PM

Almost Time Wrote:
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> South County starts off with a scrimmage at
> Highland Springs, good way to start


What are the other Scrimmages that will get some attention? Is Westfield still playing teams like DeMatha?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: 7CJTB ()
Date: July 29, 2021 07:02AM

Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several years. Westfield, although still a very strong program, is not quite what they used to be when the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best it was really not that competitive. There is just too much disparity in size and speed and depth, even for a very good program like Westfield, to compete on that level.

The best scrimmage in this area will certainly be SC vs HS.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: NuttFan ()
Date: July 29, 2021 08:06AM

7CJTB Wrote:
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> Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several
> years. Westfield, although still a very strong
> program, is not quite what they used to be when
> the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best it
> was really not that competitive. There is just too
> much disparity in size and speed and depth, even
> for a very good program like Westfield, to compete
> on that level.
>
> The best scrimmage in this area will certainly be
> SC vs HS.

Good to see South County reaching out to play tough games. Looks like Westfield continues to shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll continue to watch one of their their biggest rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids will be looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly more now, too!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: XXXHW ()
Date: July 30, 2021 07:00AM

NuttFan Wrote:

>Good to see South County reaching out to play tough games. Looks like Westfield >continues to shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll continue to watch one >of their their biggest rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids will be >looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly more now, too!

You literally have zero idea what you are talking about, troll.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nmv3c ()
Date: July 31, 2021 10:54PM

NuttFan Wrote:
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> 7CJTB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Westfield hasn't scrimmaged DeMatha in several
> > years. Westfield, although still a very strong
> > program, is not quite what they used to be when
> > the did play DeMatha. Even when at their best
> it
> > was really not that competitive. There is just
> too
> > much disparity in size and speed and depth,
> even
> > for a very good program like Westfield, to
> compete
> > on that level.
> >
> > The best scrimmage in this area will certainly
> be
> > SC vs HS.
>
> Good to see South County reaching out to play
> tough games. Looks like Westfield continues to
> shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll
> continue to watch one of their their biggest
> rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids
> will be looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly
> more now, too!

Westfield literally showed them how it's done. Sportsmanship son. Westfield always does it right. They play each other again this year. Should be a good game although I do give SoCo the edge. They have a lot of talent in Lorton.

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/south-county-football-wins-first-state-title/article_fb414870-2364-11ea-a8f0-631aa62d5b30.html

That following offseason, Pannoni and his coaching staff studied Westfield. They watched them practice and talked to Westfield’s coaches to gain ideas and insights.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Nuttfan ()
Date: August 01, 2021 11:53AM

XXXHW Wrote:
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> NuttFan Wrote:
>
> >Good to see South County reaching out to play
> tough games. Looks like Westfield >continues to
> shun the Springers requests. Too bad, they'll
> continue to watch one >of their their biggest
> rivals surpass them bit by bit. I suspect kids
> will be >looking to play in Lorton over Chantilly
> more now, too!
>
> You literally have zero idea what you are talking
> about, troll.

If you are on FFU, you are a troll by defintion. So welcome to the family!!! Nice rebuttal. "You literally have zero idea what you are talking
about.". But I am plugged into more than you think!


I know that Highland Springs has consistently reached out to Westfield to schedule games several times over the last 5-7 years. AND every time, the response was that travel was the biggest concern. So, YES, Westfield HAS shunned HSHS requests.

AND yes, Westfield HAS fallen off substantially from their last State title in 2017!!!! In fact, even that 2017 team was not up to par despite beating Smith that year. That Smith team was in complete disarray with their 3rd different head coach in 3 years and an unusual amount of transfers OUT of that team despite getting that LATE, controversial DB transfer. All Smith had to do was keep to a run game that had been successful any time they tried & the Bulldogs had zero answer! Poor coaching didn't recognize that & Smith lost.

Claims about Sportsmanship with Westfield football is a total and complete illusion. Those top teams were fed by top tier handlers & trainers and coaches from the middle school club programs. The same thing happens now to keep the coaches at arms length from recruiting in the pure sense.

Additionally, those of us that know the game saw all the shit that Westfield has gotten away with from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one sided holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which occur with a runner held up while others strip the ball due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL those types of calls somehow happened to occur to help stop the momentum of their opponents or help give Westfield the win!!???

Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very late in both of those games!!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 01, 2021 12:12PM

Smith reloads with Sophomore Transfer:

During the Covid-19, Spring, shortened football season, Oscar Smith saw their Nationally ranked, incoming Freshman that began their fall training camp on their starting roster, transfer to IMG academy. Desmond Ricks played on IMG's National Championship team. At this point, it appears he will continue his time in Bradenton, FL.

However, the Tigers reload with another top tier Sophomore in Asaad Brown ,III. A transfer from Portsmouth Christian, Brown already holds over 20 offers from DI & P5 programs. Recently both Ricks and Brown were named to MaxPreps Sophomore All American Team!!!

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/zL-eGSDyskKUe2XWYiwrPQ/high-school-football--elijah-brown,-davion-gause-headline-2021-preseason-maxpreps-sophomore-all-america-team.htm

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Tacco ()
Date: August 01, 2021 05:55PM

What is the prediction for Haymarket ?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: vbydw ()
Date: August 01, 2021 05:55PM

Nuttfan Wrote:
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> Additionally, those of us that know the game saw
> all the shit that Westfield has gotten away with
> from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one sided
> holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which occur
> with a runner held up while others strip the ball
> due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL
> those types of calls somehow happened to occur to
> help stop the momentum of their opponents or help
> give Westfield the win!!???
>
> Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo
> was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very late
> in both of those games!!!

^^^
Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser. Embarrassing for you.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Tacco ()
Date: August 01, 2021 05:58PM

Predictions for Hayfield ?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: getting crushed ()
Date: August 01, 2021 06:17PM

Dont sleep on Woodson, this could be their year!
They had strong frosh and JV teams last season.
Could go deep in the playoffs!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: tyrone w ()
Date: August 02, 2021 12:43PM

oscar smith team is full of re-class and no class
most of the starters are 19 and 20 and are mostly illiterate even after re-classing so they can be superstars playing against younger kids
ghetto

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: notttt ()
Date: August 02, 2021 08:29PM

vbydw Wrote:
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> Nuttfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Additionally, those of us that know the game
> saw
> > all the shit that Westfield has gotten away
> with
> > from no calls on push-off pass patterns, one
> sided
> > holding calls AND mysterious fumbles which
> occur
> > with a runner held up while others strip the
> ball
> > due to VERY late whistles. Interestingly, ALL
> > those types of calls somehow happened to occur
> to
> > help stop the momentum of their opponents or
> help
> > give Westfield the win!!???
> >
> > Some of that carried over to South County. SoCo
> > was assured help vs Madison AND Robinson very
> late
> > in both of those games!!!
>
> ^^^
> Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> Embarrassing for you.


Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home every December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit out for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows when they'll play for a championship again!!???

No worries, Hopefully the Championship game will be in Northern VA in December so you all can see what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: EP6GL ()
Date: August 02, 2021 10:25PM

notttt Wrote:
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> > ^^^
> > Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> > Embarrassing for you.
>
>
> Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home every
> December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most
> Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a
> reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit out
> for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows when
> they'll play for a championship again!!???
>
> No worries, Hopefully the Championship game will
> be in Northern VA in December so you all can see
> what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!

It's almost like you think winning states in 2021 (with a big fat covid asterisk) means losing in 2015, 2016, 2017 (and 2019) didn't happen. Sorry nothing changes the past. It happened. Things change. Move on. Get over it. Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread is dead. No one around here cares about Oscar Smith. GTFO with with the OS garbage. People are tired of it. You're worse than Lake Braddock fool that posted the same thing 100X a week. You have been posting the same garbage for 5 stinking years.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 03, 2021 08:43AM

EP6GL Wrote:
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> notttt Wrote:
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> -----
> > > ^^^
> > > Complete classless bullshit by a sore loser.
> > > Embarrassing for you.
> >
> >
> > Smith is winning & Westfield is sitting home
> every
> > December since 2018!!! The Tigers are the most
> > Dominant HS Football team in Virginia for a
> > reason. The Bulldogs win a couple & then sit
> out
> > for a couple of years at time. Now, who knows
> when
> > they'll play for a championship again!!???
> >
> > No worries, Hopefully the Championship game
> will
> > be in Northern VA in December so you all can
> see
> > what a Nationally Ranked Team looks like!!!
>
> It's almost like you think winning states in 2021
> (with a big fat covid asterisk) means losing in
> 2015, 2016, 2017 (and 2019) didn't happen. Sorry
> nothing changes the past. It happened. Things
> change. Move on. Get over it. Damn it - you are
> 50% of the reason this thread is dead. No one
> around here cares about Oscar Smith. GTFO with
> with the OS garbage. People are tired of it.
> You're worse than Lake Braddock fool that posted
> the same thing 100X a week. You have been posting
> the same garbage for 5 stinking years.


Man, Thank you. When you set goals, you have a chance to achieve them! I have been working so hard to get this reaction on FFU. But at this point, it only encourages me!! So, I will continue to keep you all informed on Smith's successes. It's all you have because Northern VA football is DONE. Enjoy the ride!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: 97uwj ()
Date: August 03, 2021 02:56PM

O.Smith Wrote:
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> Man, Thank you. When you set goals, you have a
> chance to achieve them! I have been working so
> hard to get this reaction on FFU. But at this
> point, it only encourages me!! So, I will continue
> to keep you all informed on Smith's successes.
> It's all you have because Northern VA football is
> DONE.

Oscar Smith versus Fairfax County in the last 10 years: 2-5

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: tyrone w ()
Date: August 04, 2021 11:22AM

Oscar Smith is full of 20 year old re-class no class wanna bees,the starters think they are super stars preying on 16 year olds,ankle bracelets are standard,as far as education u already know thats a joke,coaches have 0 class,wead smoking in the locker room,20 year old players stalking 15 year old cheerleaders,you have been warned

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: TRUE ()
Date: August 04, 2021 11:25AM

“Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread is dead.”

100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O. Smth ()
Date: August 04, 2021 02:37PM

TRUE Wrote:
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> “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this thread
> is dead.”
>
> 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!

Let's once the season starts!!

I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be hosting an VHSL Football championship game any time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting those games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class 5 & 6!!!!

I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about this!! With no High School or College venue large enough to host those games, y'all may never get to host one!!

Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: d6kwm ()
Date: August 04, 2021 09:08PM

O. Smth Wrote:
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> TRUE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this
> thread
> > is dead.”
> >
> > 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!
>
> Let's once the season starts!!
>
> I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be
> hosting an VHSL Football championship game any
> time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting those
> games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be
> hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class 5
> & 6!!!!
>
> I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about this!!
> With no High School or College venue large enough
> to host those games, y'all may never get to host
> one!!
>
> Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!

Oscar Smith vs. Westfield All Time: 0-4

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 05, 2021 07:52AM

d6kwm Wrote:
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> O. Smth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TRUE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > “Damn it - you are 50% of the reason this
> > thread
> > > is dead.”
> > >
> > > 100 fucking percent!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Let's once the season starts!!
> >
> > I have more good news!!! Northern VA won't be
> > hosting an VHSL Football championship game any
> > time soon!!! I love it!!!! VHSL is putting
> those
> > games right in downtown Norfolk!!! ODU will be
> > hosting the 21 & 22 State Title Games for Class
> 5
> > & 6!!!!
> >
> > I can just hear Simmons now, whinning about
> this!!
> > With no High School or College venue large
> enough
> > to host those games, y'all may never get to
> host
> > one!!
> >
> > Bbbaaaaawwwwwhhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaa!
>
> Oscar Smith vs. Westfield All Time: 0-4

Smith IS the most dominant team in Virginia!!! Westfield won 4 games but by no means have they've been dominant. No one expects a Bulldogs team, full of mostly underclassmen to play 15 games like Smith did in 2019!! The Tigers feeder program is producing kids going to IMG & St Francis Academy and getting offers as 8th & 9th graders.

Name a team in your area that can come close to that!!!
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Live ()
Date: August 05, 2021 08:25AM

Perhaps we could return to talking about the upcoming season... say the key games... in, ohhhh...FAIRFAX COUNTY...???

For example now that South Lakes is in Concorde District, what are their chance against Westfield, Chantilly, Centerville Madison? My guess is 1-3, best 2-2.

Does South County still have the talent to run the table in their District?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: NFHS ()
Date: August 05, 2021 03:14PM

Football Points of Emphasis - 2021
By NFHS on June 01, 2021

Sportsmanship

When considering sportsmanship, many may first think only of the game participants (athletes and coaches) within the timeframe of the game. However, proper sportsmanship also includes the pregame warm-up period, postgame handshake activity, spectator behavior (both students and adults), parents of athletes, public-address announcements and announcers, and bands. All of the above constituents have a role in promoting good sportsmanship.

Players and coaches are the most visible in their displays of sportsmanship. Their behavior sets the tone for fans, game officials and others. As recognizable personalities, it is an expectation that coaches model good behavior. Players must represent their schools and communities as ambassadors of good sporting behavior beginning with pregame activities and concluding with end-of-game activities.

Game officials generally do not assume control until taking the field approximately 30 minutes prior to the scheduled kickoff. Therefore, coaching staffs and game administrators must be vigilant and responsible for ensuring proper sportsmanship during this time. Once the contest begins, school administrators are responsible for the proper conduct of all spectators. This may take the form of reading a sportsmanship public-address announcement prior to the contest and remaining vigilant for possible issues during the contest. Student bodies and spectators in general should be reminded that any behaviors conducted at the expense of the opponents is unacceptable and will be addressed accordingly.

Public-address announcers are responsible for delivering pertinent game-related information – not to be a play-by-play person or cheerleader. Taking liberties with biased and/or inflammatory announcements must not be tolerated. Their purpose is not to editorialize the quality of play or incite the home crowd in any way.

Working with the band/music director, the school administration must set proper guidelines and ensure compliance regarding when live or recorded music may be utilized.

Good sportsmanship does not occur on its own. Only with specific planning and coordination by all constituents is good sportsmanship achievable. Good sportsmanship is about respect. Good sports win with humility, lose with grace and do both with dignity.

Intentional Grounding

Due to the growing prevalence of televised football, one of the most misunderstood rules at the high school level is intentional grounding. Under NFHS rules, intentional grounding is a foul whenever a legal forward pass is thrown into an area not occupied by an eligible receiver, or when a pass is thrown to prevent a loss of yardage or to conserve time. The only exception to this rule is when the passer intentionally throws the ball forward to the ground immediately after receiving the snap.

Under NFHS rules, it is a foul if there was no eligible receiver in the area of the pass, regardless of the passer’s position on the field. Across the country, we are seeing more high school quarterbacks throw the ball away to avoid a sack when outside the pocket, thinking this is legal based on what is seen on television. High school referees need to be aware of these situations and, with the help of the line judge and linesman, make the correct call under NFHS football rules. This is a foul that should be called after the game officials have gathered and discussed the play. When a foul does occur, the penalty flag needs to be thrown by the referee. The penalty is 5 yards from the spot of the foul and a loss of down.

Ineligible Downfield and Line of Scrimmage Formation

In order for the offensive team to have a legal scrimmage formation at the snap (assuming the numbering exception is not being used), at least five Team A players, numbered 50-79, must be on the line of scrimmage. Also, no more than four Team A players may be backs. Only one player may not be on the line but still penetrate the vertical plane through the waistline of his nearest teammate who is on the line. This player must be in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap, but does not have to actually receive it. By rule, he is the only player allowed to be positioned in “no man’s land” at the snap. All other players not on the line must be clearly positioned as backs.

Some clarification was recently provided in identifying when an ineligible Team A player is illegally downfield on a pass play. By rule, ineligible Team A players may not advance beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward pass play before a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone is in flight. The neutral zone expands 2 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage following the snap. The position of the ineligible Team A player at the moment of the legal pass is the primary factor in determining if the player is illegally downfield. When identifying Team A players who are illegally downfield, it is important to make sure that the Team A player is clearly beyond the expanded neutral zone (2 yards) at the moment that the pass is in flight. Players can travel multiple yards in a quick period of time. These players can be legally within the expanded neutral zone when the pass is thrown but beyond as the pass moves downfield. If B touches the pass in or behind the neutral zone, this restriction is terminated.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: VHSL Football 2021 ()
Date: August 05, 2021 03:54PM

Changes to Class 6 for VHSL Football for the upcoming Fall 2021 season.

Manchester who won the 2018 State Title is back in Class 6 to challenge Oscar Smith in Region A!

Massaponax is now in Class 5 which is big relief for Region B teams!!

Gainesville is a new school & will play in Region B

Freedom Loudon Co. is also in Region B


What 8 teams will make up the Fall Playoffs in Class 6 this Fall?
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: LOONDON POUND CAKE | SOUR DIESE ()
Date: August 05, 2021 04:00PM

LOONDON POUND CAKE | SOUR DIESEL REVIEW

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Bumpy ()
Date: August 06, 2021 10:13AM

bump

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Football matters ()
Date: August 07, 2021 07:50AM

Football matters!!!

If you're playing on a turf field, you are dying just a little bit faster than those of use that enjoyed REAL grass!!

https://twitter.com/MaxPreps/status/1405986002657816578?s=19

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O. Smith ()
Date: August 07, 2021 08:07AM

Scrimmage season is coming!!! Smith is preparing for 15 games. Send any team down to ODU y'all want. It won't matter! We prefer Westfield because putting up triple their score like what South County got would be Sweet!!

Kids are transferring INTO Smith now... Getting the #1 DB on c/o 24. AND all the top players from the Spring are now Seniors!!! #1 Team in Virginia!!!

https://twitter.com/OscarSmithFB/status/1405993720076513282?s=19

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Springers ()
Date: August 08, 2021 07:21PM

South County is now 0-2 in their last two games. Scrimmage vs Highland Springs, they were scoreless!! Springers 2 TD's South County 0..

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: VHSL Football 2021 ()
Date: August 10, 2021 01:56PM

BATTLEFIELD

Aug. 12 Robinson, 5 p.m.

Aug. 20 Lake Braddock, 5 p.m.

BRENTSVILLE

Aug. 13 Gainesville, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Loudoun Valley, 6 p.m.

COLGAN

Aug. 13 at Manassas Park, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Herndon, 7 p.m.

FOREST PARK

Aug. 13 Colonial Forge, 7 p.m.

Aug. 20 vs. James Monroe @ Maury Field (Fredericksburg), 7 p.m.

FREEDOM

Aug. 12 vs. Ocean Lakes and Deep Creek at Ocean Lakes HS, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Patrick Henry-Ashland, 11 a.m.

GAINESVILLE

Aug. 13 at Brentsville, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Hylton (freshman/junior varsity), 5 p.m.

GAR-FIELD

Aug 13 Osbourn, 6 p.m.

Aug 19 at Osbourn Park, 7 p.m.

HYLTON

Aug. 12 at Lake Braddock, 7 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Robinson, 6 p.m.

MANASSAS PARK

Aug. 13 Colgan, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Dominion 6 p.m.

OSBOURN

Aug. 13 at Gar-Field, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Wakefield, 6 p.m.

OSBOURN PARK

Aug. 13 at Falls Church, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Gar-Field, 7 p.m.

PATRIOT

Aug. 13 at Liberty-Bealeton, 6 p.m.

Aug. 20 Colonial Forge, 6:30 p.m.

POTOMAC

Aug. 12 at Justice, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 Edison, 6 p.m.

UNITY REED

Aug. 12 vs. Riverside/Heritage at Riverside, 6 p.m.

Aug. 19 at Chantilly, 6 p.m.

WOODBRIDGE

Aug. 12 Alexandria City High School, 7 p.m.

Aug. 19 Fauquier, 7 p.m.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: NuttFan ()
Date: August 10, 2021 05:49PM

Almost Time Wrote:
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> South County starts off with a scrimmage at
> Highland Springs, good way to start


1. it was @ South County
2. NO one seemed to care about it on FFU.
3. South County stunk up the field like horse manure vs HSHS with no a single score & from what I have heard, there was no chance to do so either.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 10, 2021 11:37PM

High School Football's Most Hostile Environments
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: FFXx2 ()
Date: August 11, 2021 12:31AM

Damn, Soco scrimmaged them REALLY early in the year, that’s interesting. Was anyone there?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Nigger Toes ()
Date: August 11, 2021 12:58AM


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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: HSFA Mid Atlantic Top 25 ()
Date: August 11, 2021 11:31AM

High School Football America Mid-Atlantic Top 25 powered by NFL Play Football

No. 1 Gonzaga (Washington, DC)

No. 2 Chambers (North Carolina)

No. 3 DeMatha (Maryland)

No. 4 St. Frances Academy (Maryland)

No. 5 Good Counsel (Maryland)

No. 6 St. John’s College HS (Washington, DC)

No. 7 Charlotte Catholic (North Carolina)

No. 8 Hough (North Carolina)

No. 9 Oscar Smith (Virginia)

No. 10 Life Christian Academy (Virginia)

No. 11 Grimsley (North Carolina)

No. 12 Highland Springs (Virginia)

No. 13 Cardinal Gibbons (North Carolina)

No. 14 McDonogh (Maryland)

No. 15 Myers Park (North Carolina)

No. 16 Mount St. Joseph (Maryland)

No. 17 Wake Forest (North Carolina)

No. 18 Rolesville (North Carolina)

No. 19 South County (Virginia)

No. 20 Archbishop Spalding (Maryland)

No. 21 Stone Bridge (Virginia)

No. 22 Quince Orchard (Maryland)

No. 23 Butler (North Carolina)

No. 24 St. Mary’s Ryken (Maryland)

No. 25 Middletown (Delaware)

Editor’s Note: The High School Football America national, regional and state rankings are developed using our proprietary algorithm.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 11, 2021 11:37AM

"Editor’s Note: The High School Football America national, regional and state rankings are developed using our proprietary algorithm."

Your KNOW their algorithm doesn't include the scrimmage last week re: SoCo getting spanked by Highland Springs, right?

Zero respect for Stone Bridge on this list!!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 11, 2021 02:38PM

VaPilot Coach of the Year!!!!!


Scott led the Tigers to the program’s first state championship since 2011 in dominating fashion. Oscar Smith posted four shutouts in five regular-season games — at one point going 17 consecutive quarters without allowing a point.
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O. Smith Loser ()
Date: August 11, 2021 04:05PM

This loser has ruined the thread, nobody cares!!!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 11, 2021 04:19PM

O. Smith Loser Wrote:
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> This loser has ruined the thread, nobody cares!!!!


Don't be such a Northern VA Sloppy wristed panty ass!!! You must have nothing to post about your team!!! No worries, Nationally Ranked & #1 team in VA will keep you entertained. Surely y'all will post when Smith loses & that could definitely be vs St John Bosco. But at least we play them!!

Even South County was bold enough to schedule Highland Springs. It just didn't go the way they'd hoped!! IF they play 15 games & make it to ODU in December, expect more of what they got in May!!!

Prove me wrong. Or do you have your hand on you pud too much to challenge me?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: YEP ()
Date: August 11, 2021 08:11PM

TOMORROW’s SLATE!!!! Scrimmages...


1. centreville @ annandale
2. hylton @ lake braddock
3. lee @ george mason
4. lightridge @ langley
5. loudoun county @ wakefield
6. mclean @ oakton
7. potomac @ stuart
8. robinson @ battlefield
9. stone bridge @ tuscarora
10. tc williams @ woodbridge
11. woodson @ marshall


FYI, just ignore the Oscar Smith nigger. Don’t entertain the clown and maybe him and Bruin Mama can stir something up. Just don’t acknowledge the guy.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: FRI(YAY) ()
Date: August 11, 2021 08:13PM

Friday’s scrimmage slate... FOR NOVA

1. briar woods @ west potomac
2. chantilly @ fairfax
3. mount vernon @ friendship collegiate
4. osbourn park @ falls church
5. park view @ hayfield
6. south lakes @ south county
7. washington-lee @ edison
8. west springfield @ herndon
9. westfield @ john champe
10. woodgrove @ madison

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: @ 757 bozo ()
Date: August 11, 2021 08:15PM

@ O. Smith,

All shit aside dude, do you think anyone here even remotely gives a fuck what you have to say? Go to a 757 thread, don’t ruin this one.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: August 12, 2021 09:11AM

FRI(YAY) Wrote:
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> Friday’s scrimmage slate... FOR NOVA
>
> 1. briar woods @ west potomac
> 2. chantilly @ fairfax
> 3. mount vernon @ friendship collegiate
> 4. osbourn park @ falls church
> 5. park view @ hayfield
> 6. south lakes @ south county
> 7. washington-lee @ edison
> 8. west springfield @ herndon
> 9. westfield @ john champe
> 10. woodgrove @ madison


Woodgrove vs Madison
South Lakes vs South County
Tusky vs Stonebridge

Those should be interesting

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: August 12, 2021 11:27AM

Thomas Dale just beat Highland Springs 2 scores to 1!!!

This might put into perspective, South County putting up a donut vs the Springers!!! Dale is good but not great!!! They are the Lake Braddock of the South Region!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: COAH ()
Date: August 12, 2021 01:11PM

Damn, is HSHS taking a step down? The LB comparison is ironic bc they literally lost to Dale in the state championship some years ago haha

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: August 12, 2021 09:05PM

nuttfan Wrote:
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> Thomas Dale just beat Highland Springs 2 scores to
> 1!!!
>
> This might put into perspective, South County
> putting up a donut vs the Springers!!! Dale is
> good but not great!!! They are the Lake Braddock
> of the South Region!!

3 scores to 1

Thomas Dale 18
Highland Springs 6

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: August 12, 2021 09:13PM

COAH Wrote:
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> Damn, is HSHS taking a step down? The LB
> comparison is ironic bc they literally lost to
> Dale in the state championship some years ago haha

If Lake Braddock was as tough as Thomas Dale, they would have won at least a couple of State Titles!! Dale kids CAN tackle & they lay some wood on ya! LB on the other hand has some of the worsted tackling fundamentals I've ever seen! Somehow, they think throwing an arm out at runners is tackling???

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Cheaters Freedom ()
Date: August 14, 2021 08:50AM

Will Coach Overton get through the whole season without getting caught again for recruiting players?

Who did he poach this year?

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COVID Strikes
Posted by: Wow! ()
Date: August 14, 2021 04:03PM

Apparently SOCO shut it down after several players got the vid. No practice, no scrimmage.

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Posted by: Soco ()
Date: August 14, 2021 10:49PM

Wow! Wrote:
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> Apparently SOCO shut it down after several players
> got the vid. No practice, no scrimmage.

That's terrible for Brock Spalding!!! His senior year could be done before it gets started!!! Should athletes be allowed to transfer to another school in this kind of situation???

What schools should Spalding consider???

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Kenny Easley ()
Date: August 14, 2021 11:44PM

Kenny Easley’s career as one of the best defensive backs in football history began at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake. After earning all-state honors, he moved on to UCLA and set school records with 19 interceptions and 324 tackles. Easley was named All-Pac 10 four times, from 1977 to 1980, and All-American three times.

The Seattle Seahawks took him with the fourth pick in the 1981 NFL draft, and he went on to be named the AFC’s Defensive Rookie of the Year. Throughout his pro career, he was recognized as one of the top safeties in the NFL. He played in five Pro Bowls and was selected first-team all-pro four times. In 1984, he was honored as the NFL’s Defensive Player of the Year. His career was cut short by a kidney condition that forced his retirement in 1987 and ultimately required a transplant.

In his seven-year career, he had 32 interceptions, including three that he returned for touchdowns. After his retirement, he returned to Hampton Roads and has had a successful career in business.

https://youtu.be/kGyrx551LX0

https://youtu.be/Jp9ioAABrrw

https://youtu.be/_R9zqRV50OQ

https://youtu.be/6BmQS7UleeA
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nuttfan ()
Date: August 15, 2021 06:57AM

Any NFL HOF Players that went High Schools in Northern VA??

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Charlie Garner JRB Stuart ()
Date: August 15, 2021 11:56AM

Aka Lightning from the Crossroads

Before Alvin Kamara, there was Charlie Garner.

Both were mid-round picks out of Tennessee. Both were (are) diminutive, dynamic all-purpose backs. Both played for offensive masterminds and made a big impact for not-quite championship-caliber teams. Heck, Kamara and Garner were almost the same guy!

Or perhaps our memories of Garner are a little cloudy. Yes, he was one of the most effective all-purpose runners of his era, with five top-10 finishes in rushing DVOA and four top-10 finishes in receiving DYAR. But times were tougher for everyone, especially tiny scatbacks, in the days when running back workloads weren't well monitored, marijuana use was considered a serious character issue, and concussions often went undiagnosed.

This is the story of an outstanding player who spent his career shunning a spotlight that some of his teammates and coaches couldn't stop hogging.

Garner was atypically focused and driven as a youth. When Garner was 11 years old, according to a 1995 profile by Frank Fitzpatrick of the Philadelphia Inquirer, he grew so obsessed with Pac-Man that he would play until his fingers were red and blistered. A rec center counselor in his Northern Virginia hometown later taught Garner to play chess, and Garner played every day until he could checkmate the counselor.

Garner went on to be a standout running back at what is now Justice High School in Virginia, rushing for over 2,000 yards and 38 touchdowns in his senior season. From there it was off to Scottsdale Community College in Arizona, where he broke a variety of juco records.

Garner idolized Herschel Walker growing up, and he verbally committed to Georgia before ultimately choosing Tennessee. Vince Fulmer took over as head coach midway through Garner's first season, and the Vols went 18-5-1 in two years with Heath Shuler at quarterback and Garner splitting time with future NFL players James "Little Man" Stewart, Aaron Hayden, and Jay Graham.

The Vols were so good, and so deep at running back, that it cut into Garner's playing time. "There were a lot of games in Knoxville my senior year that I really didn't get a chance to play in the second half," Garner later told the university website. "We'd be up 25 or 30 points and, well, they'd bench me and then would have to bench James because he's running well, and then Aaron and then finally you got Jay Graham."

"Back in school, I would get negatives on [my practice grades] because I'd just stand and watch whenever Charlie had the ball," Shuler would later say. "I've never seen a player who could go from right to left like he does and not lose momentum."

Despite sharing the load, Garner managed to rush for 1,163 yards and 7.6 yards per carry in his final season. He was expected to be a first-round pick. But Garner failed his combine drug test for marijuana use. Agent Tom Condon blamed secondhand smoke, front office types performed their usual background checking and pearl-clutching about the devil's cabbage, and Garner fell to the Philadelphia Eagles in the middle of the second round of the 1994 draft. (It must be noted that Garner's size, often cited around 5-foot-9 and 189 pounds in his playing days, may also have contributed to the slide).

The Eagles of the mid-1990s were a franchise in transition. Jeffrey Lurie had just purchased the team from Norman Braman, who was the archetype of a terrible owner. Rich Kotite coached a team loaded with holdovers from the fabled Buddy Ryan era, including Randall Cunningham, coming off his second major leg injury in three years. Garner's childhood idol was also in Philly: Herschel Walker, several years removed from his college/USFL/Cowboys stardom, was the Eagles' somewhat-plodding featured back.

Garner's Eagles career got off to a rocky start. He missed a flight to Atlanta for a preseason game because he went to the wrong airport terminal. "He must have thought he was going to Beirut or something," Kotite joked. Garner then suffered a rib injury and missed the first three games of the 1994 season.

Once healthy and on the same page of the travel itinerary as his teammates, Garner made an immediate impact. He made his debut in Week 4 of the 1994 season and rushed for 116 yards and two touchdowns in a 40-8 romp over the heavily favored 49ers. He rushed for 122 yards on 28 carries the next week against Washington. But Garner re-aggravated his rib injury and was forced out of both games in the second half.

"He was slick and quick and, as usual, left the game after taking an unusually large lick," wrote columnist Phil Anastasia of South Jersey's Courier-Post after the Washington game.

Walker, still semi-effective at age 32, replaced Garner in the 49ers and Washington games. Burly James Joseph and darting Vaughn Hebron, both adequate committee backs, were also available. So there was no reason to overtax Garner. But Kotite had a reputation for incompetence to cement. Garner was held out of practice contact drills, then fed to the teeth of the Cowboys defense 17 times for 57 yards in Week 6. Garner carried 29 times for 69 yards in the three games after that, then was only sporadically healthy for the rest of the season. Garner ended the year on the injured reserve after knee surgery.

The Eagles climbed to 7-2 while Garner grew increasingly ineffective, then went into one of the most epic tailspins in pro football history, losing their final seven games. Cunningham, now barely able to scramble, endured a severe second-half slump and was benched in favor of Bubby Brister. The offense collapsed and the team appeared to quit late in the year, coughing up a 17-point lead to lose to the Bengals in the season finale.

Garner's back-to-back 100-yard games became a footnote in a doomed season. Still, fans and observers were encouraged by what we briefly saw. "After decades of watching plodding running backs such as Michael Haddix, Keith Byars, James Joseph, and even Herschel Walker, Garner is a refreshing sight, a slashing runner with incredible instincts which cannot be taught," wrote Bob Brookover in the Courier Post.

Lurie fired Kotite after the collapse. Longtime 49ers defensive assistant Ray Rhodes took over as head coach, bringing along an offensive wunderkind from pal Mike Holmgren's Packers staff named Jon Gruden.


With Garner recovering from knee surgery and Lurie eager to give his team a 49ers flavor, the Eagles signed Ricky Watters, fresh off a three-touchdown performance in Super Bowl XXIX, for a whopping $6.9 million over three years before the 1995 season. Garner dealt with another round of marijuana rumors that offseason, then had a phenomenal training camp, leading the NFL with 251 preseason rushing yards on 41 carries.

Yes, Garner was given 41 preseason carries eight months after knee surgery. Let's put a pin in that for now.

Anyway, you probably know where all this is heading. Let's get to Watters' Eagles debut in a season-opening loss to the Buccaneers. Take it away, legendary Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Bill Lyon:

It was as though someone had written on a blackboard all the things a professional athlete shouldn't do and all the things he shouldn't say, and then Ricky Watters defiantly stood up and did them and said them, every last regrettable, stupid, self-absorbed one of them.

In the Eagles' season opener ... Watters, the running back who has yet to prove he is nearly as wonderful as he believes he is, blatantly shied away from collisions on the field, threw telephone tantrums on the bench, and then committed the most grievous sins of all afterward.

In response to the question of why he didn't try to reach a pass aimed his way over the middle and then pulled up to a dead stop when he saw a defensive back coming at him, Watters offered up the following quote, one that should be in every manual given to rookies, one that could be engraved on his own tombstone:

"Hey, I'm not going to trip up there and get knocked out. For who? For what?"

Lyon's column comes off as patriarchal to problematic today, but he accurately captured the local response to Watters' debut. "For who? For what?" instantly became the stuff of Philly legend. The "tantrum," on the other hand, has been largely forgotten. When Garner came off the bench in the third quarter and ripped off two runs for 20 yards, Watters (who was already getting the business from the Boo Birds) could be seen stewing on the sideline. When Garner needed a breather at the end of the drive, Watters returned and promptly fumbled to kill a scoring opportunity.

"Charlie Garner needs to be in the game more, and we'll address that," Rhodes said after that game while dodging Watters questions.

Rhodes had a lot to address. Cunningham was completely unsuited to Gruden's version of the West Coast Offense. Rodney Peete replaced Cunningham in Week 2, then came on in relief in Week 4 before taking over as the starter. "Games, for the 1995 Eagles, have become like Mike Tyson fights," wrote Fitzpatrick in the Inquirer, "A few minutes of occasionally interesting action surrounded by days of gale-force controversy."

The Watters-Garner controversy sorted itself out by virtue of the Eagles' utter lack of a downfield passing game, which gave both backs plenty of touches. Watters toned down the drama and shook off the rough start, rushing for 1,273 yards and 11 touchdowns while adding 62 receptions. Garner rushed for 588 yards and averaged 5.4 yards per carry. The Eagles went 10-6 and won a playoff game through the sheer force of Rhodes' brimstone motivation and Gruden's intricate short game.

Garner led the NFL in rushing DVOA in 1995; Emmitt Smith finished second. Garner finished ninth in rushing DYAR despite his part-time role; Smith led the league. Watters ranked 29th in DVOA and 18th in DYAR; he was also 49th in receiving DVOA.

The 1996 season brought more of the same. Watters rushed for 1,411 yards and 13 touchdowns, adding 51 receptions. Garner came off the bench for 5.2 yards per carry but failed to qualify for the DVOA leaderboards. Peete battled Ty Detmer to see who had the peskiest popgun, while Irving Fryar added a credible downfield threat for any quarterback who could reach him. The Eagles reached the playoffs again. Gruden became a hot head coaching commodity.

The formula wore thin in 1997. Watters and Garner put up similar numbers in similar roles for a third straight year. Garner finished fifth in the NFL in DVOA behind Marcus Allen, Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, and Corey Dillon, ranking 11th in DYAR. Watters ranked 20th in rushing DVOA and 18th in DYAR, with some positive receiving value. But Rhodes' defense began to crumble and Gruden could only coax so much adequacy out of Peete and RePeete. Hope came in the form of a cannon-armed second-round pick from Ohio State: Bobby Hoying looked sharp in some late-season performances.

Late in the 1997 season, Watters' then-girlfriend approached Gruden in the tunnel after a loss and demanded, in front of reporters, that Watters get the ball more. Watters, who was never quite 100% with the program despite his production, left for the Seahawks as a free agent after season. Gruden also left to become the head coach of the Raiders. Rhodes replaced Gruden with Stanford offensive coordinator Dana Bible, who was billed as a West Coast offense guru with a longer pedigree than Gruden.

Bible was a disaster. Hoying became so hapless on Bible's watch that he could barely execute handoffs properly and sometimes crumpled untouched in the pocket, forcing Peete and a Detmer (Ty's brother Koy) into service. Garner, who signed a contract extension in the offseason, averaged just 4.0 yards per carry behind Duce Staley and missed the end of the season with another rib injury.

Out went Ray Rhodes. In came Andy Reid. Garner was now an oft-injured 27-year-old backup coming off a poor season with a reputation (overshadowed for years by Watters' shtick) for missing the occasional team meeting. Reid unceremoniously released Garner in April of 1999.


Garrison Hearst, a former Georgia standout and third overall pick whose early career was ruined by injuries, gained 2,105 yards from scrimmage for a 49ers team that went 12-4 in 1998. But Hearst bent backwards while getting pulled down on his first carry of the wild-card game, breaking his left leg so badly that the resulting vascular damage would erase his next two seasons.

When the 49ers realized the severity of Hearst's injury in July of 1999, they held a casting call for free-agent running backs. Charlie Garner won the audition.

Not everyone was excited by the new arrival. "In the good old days when NFL scouting was more of a hit-or-miss matter," wrote Ray Ratto for the San Francisco Examiner, "Charlie Garner might have excited you more than he seems to now." Ratto lamented that the Eagles were "always finding someone better, from Herschel Walker to Ricky Watters to Duce Staley." Even the 49ers hedged their bets, signing the deeply troubled Lawrence Phillips days after Garner.

Finally given a featured role in a functional offense, Garner quieted any skeptics. He rushed for 1,229 yards at 5.1 yards per carry, relegating Phillips to irrelevance. He also caught 56 passes for 535 yards after never catching more than 25 passes for the Eagles. Garner finished fourth in the league in both rushing DVOA and DYAR. Stephen Davis, Marshall Faulk, and Napoleon Kaufman finished ahead of Garner in DVOA, while Davis, Faulk, and Emmitt Smith topped him in DYAR. Garner also finished eighth in receiving DYAR for running backs.

How did Garner take to Steve Mariucci's West Coast Offense so quickly? "I give a lot of credit to Jon Gruden," Garner said after topping the 1,000-yard mark in December of 1999. "He really helped me learn this offense. So when I came here I was able to step right in."

"He has been terrific," Mariucci said of Garner. "He's such a tough guy. He has taken a lot of hits this year."

Garner was the only terrific thing about the 1999 49ers. Steve Young got injured, giving way to Jeff Garcia and Steve Stenstrom. The defense was miserable. The 49ers finished 4-12.

Garner enjoyed another fine season for an awful 49ers team in 2000: 1,140 rushing yards and 68 receptions, ranking second to Faulk in receiving DYAR among running backs. He became a free agent after the 2000 season. 49ers general manager Bill Walsh remarked, somewhat accurately, that Garner "suffered wear and tear at the end of the season." Agent Scott Crawford fired back. "Bill's comments hurt Charlie a lot," Crawford said. "He feels that Bill is trying to de-value him, and we are not going to tolerate that."

The 49ers decided to roll with a totally refurbished Hearst instead. So Garner signed a four-year deal with the Raiders, reuniting with Gruden. "I always had the Raiders in my mind," Garner said at the signing.

"He's an outstanding football player, a very productive back," Gruden said. "He's versatile and tough. He can play here, there, and anywhere on the football field."


It's shocking how many coaches, legendary and infamous, used Charlie Garner incorrectly.

Garner just looked like someone who should get 10 to 20 carries and five to seven targets per game. Everything about him, from his stature to his shifty style to his injury history, screamed for such a role. Yet Kotite briefly tried to use him as a battering ram. Then Gruden and Rhodes limited his receiving opportunities, lest Watters get nettled. Mariucci finally figured out that Garner could run routes and catch, but also used him as a 25-carry workhorse for part of the 2000 season. Garner was always either stuck behind a Watters or Walker who needed lots of touches to get going (weren't as effective but got paid more, in other words), or, in San Francisco, without any reliable complementary back at all.

Gruden knew how to use Garner after their reunion. Bruiser Tyrone Wheatley and fullback Zack Crockett did most of the short-yardage dirty work but were strictly complementary players. Garner caught 72 passes while rushing for 839 yards for a Raiders team that went 10-6 with the help of another player from across the bay: a fellow named Jerry Rice.

Gruden, meanwhile, was in a contract squabble with Al Davis. And the Buccaneers felt they were headed in the wrong direction under defense-oriented Tony Dungy. A few weeks after the Raiders lost a playoff game to the Patriots on a controversial call [winks devilishly], the Buccaneers traded two first-round picks to the Raiders to acquire a new head coach.

Gruden left behind a strong staff that included Bill Callahan, Aaron Kromer, and Marc Trestman. Callahan, now the Raiders head coach, was in charge of the Eagles offensive line during the Watters/Garner years and knew what Garner was capable of. Garner, playing the same role in a very slightly (probably too slightly) tweaked offense in 2002, finished third in the NFL in rushing DVOA and DYAR behind Priest Holmes and Clinton Portis and led the league in receiving DYAR and DVOA. Garner finished second to Marshall Faulk in the NFL with 1,903 scrimmage yards.

"Charlie Garner may be the most indispensable, invaluable—yet often invisible—Raider," wrote Gregg Bell for the Sacramento Bee as the Raiders approached the playoffs. Bell noted that Garner avoided interviews and remained in "seclusion" during the week, only to emerge on game days as a trash-talking chatterbox. It's a common thread throughout his career: even when Eagles columnists were interviewing Garner's family for Pac-Man and chess stories early in his career, Garner declined most interview requests.

The Raiders cruised through the playoffs, then got pummeled by Gruden's Buccaneers in the Super Bowl. Quarterback Rich Gannon threw five interceptions in that game. Garner rushed seven times for just 10 yards. Gannon later claimed that Buccaneers defenders were calling out Raiders plays at the line. Tim Brown and Rice suggested that Callahan changed his entire game plan in midweek, possibly for nefarious reasons. Looking back, I can't help but think that Callahan got a late case of the yips because he knew he hadn't changed enough of his offense after Gruden's departure, then tried to make last-second changes which proved counterproductive

Whatever the cause of the Raiders meltdown, Gruden walked away with a Super Bowl ring, and Garner did not.

Garner finished seventh in rushing DVOA in 2003, but Wheatley outgained him as a rusher. Gannon suffered a midseason shoulder injury. Callahan completely lost the locker room. The Raiders fell to 4-12. Garner and Charles Woodson missed curfew before the season finale and received a one-game suspension in one of Callahan's last acts as head coach.

Garner signed with Gruden's Buccaneers in April of 2004, but he lasted just three games before suffering a knee injury which ended his season, and ultimately his career.

The Jets snapped up Rich Kotite soon after the Eagles fired him. The former Jets assistant was hailed as a likely franchise savior. Instead, he led the team to a 4-28 record in two seasons, ending a 20-year NFL career.

Bill Callahan coached the University of Nebraska for several years before returning to the NFL as an offensive line coach, coordinator, and sometime assistant head coach. He currently coaches the excellent Browns offensive line.

While it might never be written on his tombstone, For Who, For What: A Warrior's Journey is the title of Ricky Watters' memoir. Watters spent several seasons as a productive, mostly quiet running back for the Seahawks after leaving Philly, retiring with 10,643 rushing yards. The girlfriend who yelled at Gruden has been his wife for decades.

Herschel Walker has become an outspoken political figure on social media and may be considering a Senate run in Georgia. Hearst played three more seasons for the 49ers, who bounced back into contention after Garner's departure. Ty Wheatley is now the head coach at Morgan State. Duce Staley is the assistant head coach of the Lions.

Doctors told Charlie Garner in 2017 that he is likely suffering from CTE. Garner was only diagnosed with two concussions during his career yet estimates that he suffered "at least a dozen concussions per year over 11 years."

"I don't have all my faculties anymore," Garner told the Sporting News in 2017. "I can't remember things. When I go to the mall or grocery store, I have to take one of my kids with me to remember where the car is parked. I have trouble remembering conversations I had five minutes ago. Bright lights bother me. I just don't feel right all the time." Garner recently announced involvement in a sports entertainment enterprise called Legit Rare on Facebook.

There's an unmistakable undercurrent just below the surface of Garner's story: the undiagnosed concussions (probably less than 132 but certainly more than two), the moody reputation, missed flights and meetings, frequent marijuana peccadillos, even the obsessive childhood video gaming. I'm not going to pretend to really know a person based on press clippings and memories from 30 years ago. But if he played today, Garner's concussions would be better diagnosed and treated. (Not ideally diagnosed and treated by any means, but better). Any marijuana dabbling he might have done would be shrugged off, or perhaps identified as self-medication. Some behavioral traits, from youth through superstardom, are better understood and tolerated/managed these days than they were 30 years ago.

A modern Garner might well be Kamara, someone whose workload was carefully managed and optimized, a star in his own right instead of an invaluable but invisible role player. At the very least, he'd emerge from his career a little bit healthier if he played in our somewhat more enlightened era when running backs don't endure 40 preseason carries while recovering from knee surgery.

DVOA suggests that Garner could have been one of the all-time greats. But the NFL, in various ways, just wasn't quite ready for him.


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Charlie Garner JRB Stuart Wrote:
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> Aka Lightning from the Crossroads
>
> Before Alvin Kamara, there was Charlie Garner.
>
> Both were mid-round picks out of Tennessee. Both
> were (are) diminutive, dynamic all-purpose backs.
> Both played for offensive masterminds and made a
> big impact for not-quite championship-caliber
> teams. Heck, Kamara and Garner were almost the
> same guy!
>
> Or perhaps our memories of Garner are a little
> cloudy. Yes, he was one of the most effective
> all-purpose runners of his era, with five top-10
> finishes in rushing DVOA and four top-10 finishes
> in receiving DYAR. But times were tougher for
> everyone, especially tiny scatbacks, in the days
> when running back workloads weren't well
> monitored, marijuana use was considered a serious
> character issue, and concussions often went
> undiagnosed.
>
> This is the story of an outstanding player who
> spent his career shunning a spotlight that some of
> his teammates and coaches couldn't stop hogging.
>
> Garner was atypically focused and driven as a
> youth. When Garner was 11 years old, according to
> a 1995 profile by Frank Fitzpatrick of the
> Philadelphia Inquirer, he grew so obsessed with
> Pac-Man that he would play until his fingers were
> red and blistered. A rec center counselor in his
> Northern Virginia hometown later taught Garner to
> play chess, and Garner played every day until he
> could checkmate the counselor.
>
> Garner went on to be a standout running back at
> what is now Justice High School in Virginia,
> rushing for over 2,000 yards and 38 touchdowns in
> his senior season. From there it was off to
> Scottsdale Community College in Arizona, where he
> broke a variety of juco records.
>
> Garner idolized Herschel Walker growing up, and he
> verbally committed to Georgia before ultimately
> choosing Tennessee. Vince Fulmer took over as head
> coach midway through Garner's first season, and
> the Vols went 18-5-1 in two years with Heath
> Shuler at quarterback and Garner splitting time
> with future NFL players James "Little Man"
> Stewart, Aaron Hayden, and Jay Graham.
>
> The Vols were so good, and so deep at running
> back, that it cut into Garner's playing time.
> "There were a lot of games in Knoxville my senior
> year that I really didn't get a chance to play in
> the second half," Garner later told the university
> website. "We'd be up 25 or 30 points and, well,
> they'd bench me and then would have to bench James
> because he's running well, and then Aaron and then
> finally you got Jay Graham."
>
> "Back in school, I would get negatives on [my
> practice grades] because I'd just stand and watch
> whenever Charlie had the ball," Shuler would later
> say. "I've never seen a player who could go from
> right to left like he does and not lose
> momentum."
>
> Despite sharing the load, Garner managed to rush
> for 1,163 yards and 7.6 yards per carry in his
> final season. He was expected to be a first-round
> pick. But Garner failed his combine drug test for
> marijuana use. Agent Tom Condon blamed secondhand
> smoke, front office types performed their usual
> background checking and pearl-clutching about the
> devil's cabbage, and Garner fell to the
> Philadelphia Eagles in the middle of the second
> round of the 1994 draft. (It must be noted that
> Garner's size, often cited around 5-foot-9 and 189
> pounds in his playing days, may also have
> contributed to the slide).
>
> The Eagles of the mid-1990s were a franchise in
> transition. Jeffrey Lurie had just purchased the
> team from Norman Braman, who was the archetype of
> a terrible owner. Rich Kotite coached a team
> loaded with holdovers from the fabled Buddy Ryan
> era, including Randall Cunningham, coming off his
> second major leg injury in three years. Garner's
> childhood idol was also in Philly: Herschel
> Walker, several years removed from his
> college/USFL/Cowboys stardom, was the Eagles'
> somewhat-plodding featured back.
>
> Garner's Eagles career got off to a rocky start.
> He missed a flight to Atlanta for a preseason game
> because he went to the wrong airport terminal. "He
> must have thought he was going to Beirut or
> something," Kotite joked. Garner then suffered a
> rib injury and missed the first three games of the
> 1994 season.
>
> Once healthy and on the same page of the travel
> itinerary as his teammates, Garner made an
> immediate impact. He made his debut in Week 4 of
> the 1994 season and rushed for 116 yards and two
> touchdowns in a 40-8 romp over the heavily favored
> 49ers. He rushed for 122 yards on 28 carries the
> next week against Washington. But Garner
> re-aggravated his rib injury and was forced out of
> both games in the second half.
>
> "He was slick and quick and, as usual, left the
> game after taking an unusually large lick," wrote
> columnist Phil Anastasia of South Jersey's
> Courier-Post after the Washington game.
>
> Walker, still semi-effective at age 32, replaced
> Garner in the 49ers and Washington games. Burly
> James Joseph and darting Vaughn Hebron, both
> adequate committee backs, were also available. So
> there was no reason to overtax Garner. But Kotite
> had a reputation for incompetence to cement.
> Garner was held out of practice contact drills,
> then fed to the teeth of the Cowboys defense 17
> times for 57 yards in Week 6. Garner carried 29
> times for 69 yards in the three games after that,
> then was only sporadically healthy for the rest of
> the season. Garner ended the year on the injured
> reserve after knee surgery.
>
> The Eagles climbed to 7-2 while Garner grew
> increasingly ineffective, then went into one of
> the most epic tailspins in pro football history,
> losing their final seven games. Cunningham, now
> barely able to scramble, endured a severe
> second-half slump and was benched in favor of
> Bubby Brister. The offense collapsed and the team
> appeared to quit late in the year, coughing up a
> 17-point lead to lose to the Bengals in the season
> finale.
>
> Garner's back-to-back 100-yard games became a
> footnote in a doomed season. Still, fans and
> observers were encouraged by what we briefly saw.
> "After decades of watching plodding running backs
> such as Michael Haddix, Keith Byars, James Joseph,
> and even Herschel Walker, Garner is a refreshing
> sight, a slashing runner with incredible instincts
> which cannot be taught," wrote Bob Brookover in
> the Courier Post.
>
> Lurie fired Kotite after the collapse. Longtime
> 49ers defensive assistant Ray Rhodes took over as
> head coach, bringing along an offensive wunderkind
> from pal Mike Holmgren's Packers staff named Jon
> Gruden.
>
>
> With Garner recovering from knee surgery and Lurie
> eager to give his team a 49ers flavor, the Eagles
> signed Ricky Watters, fresh off a three-touchdown
> performance in Super Bowl XXIX, for a whopping
> $6.9 million over three years before the 1995
> season. Garner dealt with another round of
> marijuana rumors that offseason, then had a
> phenomenal training camp, leading the NFL with 251
> preseason rushing yards on 41 carries.
>
> Yes, Garner was given 41 preseason carries eight
> months after knee surgery. Let's put a pin in that
> for now.
>
> Anyway, you probably know where all this is
> heading. Let's get to Watters' Eagles debut in a
> season-opening loss to the Buccaneers. Take it
> away, legendary Philadelphia Inquirer columnist
> Bill Lyon:
>
> It was as though someone had written on a
> blackboard all the things a professional athlete
> shouldn't do and all the things he shouldn't say,
> and then Ricky Watters defiantly stood up and did
> them and said them, every last regrettable,
> stupid, self-absorbed one of them.
>
> In the Eagles' season opener ... Watters, the
> running back who has yet to prove he is nearly as
> wonderful as he believes he is, blatantly shied
> away from collisions on the field, threw telephone
> tantrums on the bench, and then committed the most
> grievous sins of all afterward.
>
> In response to the question of why he didn't try
> to reach a pass aimed his way over the middle and
> then pulled up to a dead stop when he saw a
> defensive back coming at him, Watters offered up
> the following quote, one that should be in every
> manual given to rookies, one that could be
> engraved on his own tombstone:
>
> "Hey, I'm not going to trip up there and get
> knocked out. For who? For what?"
>
> Lyon's column comes off as patriarchal to
> problematic today, but he accurately captured the
> local response to Watters' debut. "For who? For
> what?" instantly became the stuff of Philly
> legend. The "tantrum," on the other hand, has been
> largely forgotten. When Garner came off the bench
> in the third quarter and ripped off two runs for
> 20 yards, Watters (who was already getting the
> business from the Boo Birds) could be seen stewing
> on the sideline. When Garner needed a breather at
> the end of the drive, Watters returned and
> promptly fumbled to kill a scoring opportunity.
>
> "Charlie Garner needs to be in the game more, and
> we'll address that," Rhodes said after that game
> while dodging Watters questions.
>
> Rhodes had a lot to address. Cunningham was
> completely unsuited to Gruden's version of the
> West Coast Offense. Rodney Peete replaced
> Cunningham in Week 2, then came on in relief in
> Week 4 before taking over as the starter. "Games,
> for the 1995 Eagles, have become like Mike Tyson
> fights," wrote Fitzpatrick in the Inquirer, "A few
> minutes of occasionally interesting action
> surrounded by days of gale-force controversy."
>
> The Watters-Garner controversy sorted itself out
> by virtue of the Eagles' utter lack of a downfield
> passing game, which gave both backs plenty of
> touches. Watters toned down the drama and shook
> off the rough start, rushing for 1,273 yards and
> 11 touchdowns while adding 62 receptions. Garner
> rushed for 588 yards and averaged 5.4 yards per
> carry. The Eagles went 10-6 and won a playoff game
> through the sheer force of Rhodes' brimstone
> motivation and Gruden's intricate short game.
>
> Garner led the NFL in rushing DVOA in 1995; Emmitt
> Smith finished second. Garner finished ninth in
> rushing DYAR despite his part-time role; Smith led
> the league. Watters ranked 29th in DVOA and 18th
> in DYAR; he was also 49th in receiving DVOA.
>
> The 1996 season brought more of the same. Watters
> rushed for 1,411 yards and 13 touchdowns, adding
> 51 receptions. Garner came off the bench for 5.2
> yards per carry but failed to qualify for the DVOA
> leaderboards. Peete battled Ty Detmer to see who
> had the peskiest popgun, while Irving Fryar added
> a credible downfield threat for any quarterback
> who could reach him. The Eagles reached the
> playoffs again. Gruden became a hot head coaching
> commodity.
>
> The formula wore thin in 1997. Watters and Garner
> put up similar numbers in similar roles for a
> third straight year. Garner finished fifth in the
> NFL in DVOA behind Marcus Allen, Barry Sanders,
> Terrell Davis, and Corey Dillon, ranking 11th in
> DYAR. Watters ranked 20th in rushing DVOA and 18th
> in DYAR, with some positive receiving value. But
> Rhodes' defense began to crumble and Gruden could
> only coax so much adequacy out of Peete and
> RePeete. Hope came in the form of a cannon-armed
> second-round pick from Ohio State: Bobby Hoying
> looked sharp in some late-season performances.
>
> Late in the 1997 season, Watters' then-girlfriend
> approached Gruden in the tunnel after a loss and
> demanded, in front of reporters, that Watters get
> the ball more. Watters, who was never quite 100%
> with the program despite his production, left for
> the Seahawks as a free agent after season. Gruden
> also left to become the head coach of the Raiders.
> Rhodes replaced Gruden with Stanford offensive
> coordinator Dana Bible, who was billed as a West
> Coast offense guru with a longer pedigree than
> Gruden.
>
> Bible was a disaster. Hoying became so hapless on
> Bible's watch that he could barely execute
> handoffs properly and sometimes crumpled untouched
> in the pocket, forcing Peete and a Detmer (Ty's
> brother Koy) into service. Garner, who signed a
> contract extension in the offseason, averaged just
> 4.0 yards per carry behind Duce Staley and missed
> the end of the season with another rib injury.
>
> Out went Ray Rhodes. In came Andy Reid. Garner was
> now an oft-injured 27-year-old backup coming off a
> poor season with a reputation (overshadowed for
> years by Watters' shtick) for missing the
> occasional team meeting. Reid unceremoniously
> released Garner in April of 1999.
>
>
> Garrison Hearst, a former Georgia standout and
> third overall pick whose early career was ruined
> by injuries, gained 2,105 yards from scrimmage for
> a 49ers team that went 12-4 in 1998. But Hearst
> bent backwards while getting pulled down on his
> first carry of the wild-card game, breaking his
> left leg so badly that the resulting vascular
> damage would erase his next two seasons.
>
> When the 49ers realized the severity of Hearst's
> injury in July of 1999, they held a casting call
> for free-agent running backs. Charlie Garner won
> the audition.
>
> Not everyone was excited by the new arrival. "In
> the good old days when NFL scouting was more of a
> hit-or-miss matter," wrote Ray Ratto for the San
> Francisco Examiner, "Charlie Garner might have
> excited you more than he seems to now." Ratto
> lamented that the Eagles were "always finding
> someone better, from Herschel Walker to Ricky
> Watters to Duce Staley." Even the 49ers hedged
> their bets, signing the deeply troubled Lawrence
> Phillips days after Garner.
>
> Finally given a featured role in a functional
> offense, Garner quieted any skeptics. He rushed
> for 1,229 yards at 5.1 yards per carry, relegating
> Phillips to irrelevance. He also caught 56 passes
> for 535 yards after never catching more than 25
> passes for the Eagles. Garner finished fourth in
> the league in both rushing DVOA and DYAR. Stephen
> Davis, Marshall Faulk, and Napoleon Kaufman
> finished ahead of Garner in DVOA, while Davis,
> Faulk, and Emmitt Smith topped him in DYAR. Garner
> also finished eighth in receiving DYAR for running
> backs.
>
> How did Garner take to Steve Mariucci's West Coast
> Offense so quickly? "I give a lot of credit to Jon
> Gruden," Garner said after topping the 1,000-yard
> mark in December of 1999. "He really helped me
> learn this offense. So when I came here I was able
> to step right in."
>
> "He has been terrific," Mariucci said of Garner.
> "He's such a tough guy. He has taken a lot of hits
> this year."
>
> Garner was the only terrific thing about the 1999
> 49ers. Steve Young got injured, giving way to Jeff
> Garcia and Steve Stenstrom. The defense was
> miserable. The 49ers finished 4-12.
>
> Garner enjoyed another fine season for an awful
> 49ers team in 2000: 1,140 rushing yards and 68
> receptions, ranking second to Faulk in receiving
> DYAR among running backs. He became a free agent
> after the 2000 season. 49ers general manager Bill
> Walsh remarked, somewhat accurately, that Garner
> "suffered wear and tear at the end of the season."
> Agent Scott Crawford fired back. "Bill's comments
> hurt Charlie a lot," Crawford said. "He feels that
> Bill is trying to de-value him, and we are not
> going to tolerate that."
>
> The 49ers decided to roll with a totally
> refurbished Hearst instead. So Garner signed a
> four-year deal with the Raiders, reuniting with
> Gruden. "I always had the Raiders in my mind,"
> Garner said at the signing.
>
> "He's an outstanding football player, a very
> productive back," Gruden said. "He's versatile and
> tough. He can play here, there, and anywhere on
> the football field."
>
>
> It's shocking how many coaches, legendary and
> infamous, used Charlie Garner incorrectly.
>
> Garner just looked like someone who should get 10
> to 20 carries and five to seven targets per game.
> Everything about him, from his stature to his
> shifty style to his injury history, screamed for
> such a role. Yet Kotite briefly tried to use him
> as a battering ram. Then Gruden and Rhodes limited
> his receiving opportunities, lest Watters get
> nettled. Mariucci finally figured out that Garner
> could run routes and catch, but also used him as a
> 25-carry workhorse for part of the 2000 season.
> Garner was always either stuck behind a Watters or
> Walker who needed lots of touches to get going
> (weren't as effective but got paid more, in other
> words), or, in San Francisco, without any reliable
> complementary back at all.
>
> Gruden knew how to use Garner after their reunion.
> Bruiser Tyrone Wheatley and fullback Zack Crockett
> did most of the short-yardage dirty work but were
> strictly complementary players. Garner caught 72
> passes while rushing for 839 yards for a Raiders
> team that went 10-6 with the help of another
> player from across the bay: a fellow named Jerry
> Rice.
>
> Gruden, meanwhile, was in a contract squabble with
> Al Davis. And the Buccaneers felt they were headed
> in the wrong direction under defense-oriented Tony
> Dungy. A few weeks after the Raiders lost a
> playoff game to the Patriots on a controversial
> call [winks devilishly], the Buccaneers traded two
> first-round picks to the Raiders to acquire a new
> head coach.
>
> Gruden left behind a strong staff that included
> Bill Callahan, Aaron Kromer, and Marc Trestman.
> Callahan, now the Raiders head coach, was in
> charge of the Eagles offensive line during the
> Watters/Garner years and knew what Garner was
> capable of. Garner, playing the same role in a
> very slightly (probably too slightly) tweaked
> offense in 2002, finished third in the NFL in
> rushing DVOA and DYAR behind Priest Holmes and
> Clinton Portis and led the league in receiving
> DYAR and DVOA. Garner finished second to Marshall
> Faulk in the NFL with 1,903 scrimmage yards.
>
> "Charlie Garner may be the most indispensable,
> invaluable—yet often invisible—Raider," wrote
> Gregg Bell for the Sacramento Bee as the Raiders
> approached the playoffs. Bell noted that Garner
> avoided interviews and remained in "seclusion"
> during the week, only to emerge on game days as a
> trash-talking chatterbox. It's a common thread
> throughout his career: even when Eagles columnists
> were interviewing Garner's family for Pac-Man and
> chess stories early in his career, Garner declined
> most interview requests.
>
> The Raiders cruised through the playoffs, then got
> pummeled by Gruden's Buccaneers in the Super Bowl.
> Quarterback Rich Gannon threw five interceptions
> in that game. Garner rushed seven times for just
> 10 yards. Gannon later claimed that Buccaneers
> defenders were calling out Raiders plays at the
> line. Tim Brown and Rice suggested that Callahan
> changed his entire game plan in midweek, possibly
> for nefarious reasons. Looking back, I can't help
> but think that Callahan got a late case of the
> yips because he knew he hadn't changed enough of
> his offense after Gruden's departure, then tried
> to make last-second changes which proved
> counterproductive
>
> Whatever the cause of the Raiders meltdown, Gruden
> walked away with a Super Bowl ring, and Garner did
> not.
>
> Garner finished seventh in rushing DVOA in 2003,
> but Wheatley outgained him as a rusher. Gannon
> suffered a midseason shoulder injury. Callahan
> completely lost the locker room. The Raiders fell
> to 4-12. Garner and Charles Woodson missed curfew
> before the season finale and received a one-game
> suspension in one of Callahan's last acts as head
> coach.
>
> Garner signed with Gruden's Buccaneers in April of
> 2004, but he lasted just three games before
> suffering a knee injury which ended his season,
> and ultimately his career.
>
> The Jets snapped up Rich Kotite soon after the
> Eagles fired him. The former Jets assistant was
> hailed as a likely franchise savior. Instead, he
> led the team to a 4-28 record in two seasons,
> ending a 20-year NFL career.
>
> Bill Callahan coached the University of Nebraska
> for several years before returning to the NFL as
> an offensive line coach, coordinator, and sometime
> assistant head coach. He currently coaches the
> excellent Browns offensive line.
>
> While it might never be written on his tombstone,
> For Who, For What: A Warrior's Journey is the
> title of Ricky Watters' memoir. Watters spent
> several seasons as a productive, mostly quiet
> running back for the Seahawks after leaving
> Philly, retiring with 10,643 rushing yards. The
> girlfriend who yelled at Gruden has been his wife
> for decades.
>
> Herschel Walker has become an outspoken political
> figure on social media and may be considering a
> Senate run in Georgia. Hearst played three more
> seasons for the 49ers, who bounced back into
> contention after Garner's departure. Ty Wheatley
> is now the head coach at Morgan State. Duce Staley
> is the assistant head coach of the Lions.
>
> Doctors told Charlie Garner in 2017 that he is
> likely suffering from CTE. Garner was only
> diagnosed with two concussions during his career
> yet estimates that he suffered "at least a dozen
> concussions per year over 11 years."
>
> "I don't have all my faculties anymore," Garner
> told the Sporting News in 2017. "I can't remember
> things. When I go to the mall or grocery store, I
> have to take one of my kids with me to remember
> where the car is parked. I have trouble
> remembering conversations I had five minutes ago.
> Bright lights bother me. I just don't feel right
> all the time." Garner recently announced
> involvement in a sports entertainment enterprise
> called Legit Rare on Facebook.
>
> There's an unmistakable undercurrent just below
> the surface of Garner's story: the undiagnosed
> concussions (probably less than 132 but certainly
> more than two), the moody reputation, missed
> flights and meetings, frequent marijuana
> peccadillos, even the obsessive childhood video
> gaming. I'm not going to pretend to really know a
> person based on press clippings and memories from
> 30 years ago. But if he played today, Garner's
> concussions would be better diagnosed and treated.
> (Not ideally diagnosed and treated by any means,
> but better). Any marijuana dabbling he might have
> done would be shrugged off, or perhaps identified
> as self-medication. Some behavioral traits, from
> youth through superstardom, are better understood
> and tolerated/managed these days than they were 30
> years ago.
>
> A modern Garner might well be Kamara, someone
> whose workload was carefully managed and
> optimized, a star in his own right instead of an
> invaluable but invisible role player. At the very
> least, he'd emerge from his career a little bit
> healthier if he played in our somewhat more
> enlightened era when running backs don't endure 40
> preseason carries while recovering from knee
> surgery.
>
> DVOA suggests that Garner could have been one of
> the all-time greats. But the NFL, in various ways,
> just wasn't quite ready for him.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/rCNNNkasmaA
>
> https://youtu.be/41PdMcbEU-g
>
> https://youtu.be/sl_2iCJByj8

What?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: trejch ()
Date: August 15, 2021 02:16PM

Heard DeMatha scrimmaged @ Freedom WB, looks like they replaced Westfield with Freedom

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: DeMatha ()
Date: August 15, 2021 02:57PM

trejch Wrote:
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> Heard DeMatha scrimmaged @ Freedom WB, looks like
> they replaced Westfield with Freedom


So what happened, which team was able to poach the most players?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Gay Gus ()
Date: August 15, 2021 03:01PM

High School football is gay as Gay Gus!

https://youtu.be/3py-hfHDz58


https://youtu.be/_dBz4dTZocg
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Nuttfan ()
Date: August 15, 2021 05:10PM

Gay Gus Wrote:
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> High School football is gay as Gay Gus!
>
> https://youtu.be/3py-hfHDz58
>
>
> https://youtu.be/_dBz4dTZocg


In Northern VA that's good, right? I'm so confused.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Pray For Football ()
Date: August 15, 2021 06:17PM


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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Media Days? ()
Date: August 17, 2021 04:34PM

Looks like PWC schools are having a big media day tomorrow, would be cool if FFX did the same.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Covid Shutdown ()
Date: August 17, 2021 07:07PM

Last year's region finalist South County and Robinson both paused for Covid-19 cases. Will this season even get off the ground?
How will school operate if they are gonna keep kids home everytime a case pops up in their class?

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Chinese AIDS ()
Date: August 17, 2021 08:30PM

https://youtu.be/fs1xHPU7WwA

Bears Suck
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Da Bears ()
Date: August 17, 2021 08:39PM

https://youtu.be/2G0IbO4X3ws

Red Rifle! What are you doing?
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Mr Lighting ()
Date: August 17, 2021 09:04PM

Fairfax Dog! Throw up the X, Crossroads!

https://youtu.be/sUG2PygiepA
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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 20, 2021 07:24AM

Northern VA HS Football has fallen to an all-new low.

Just look at the 2021 version of FFU. Zero debate between any teams. Nothing but trolls posting BS. After South County was handed their State Title in 2019, they get epically trounced by Smith and were saved from getting 70-80 points put on them by the running clock!!! 62-21!!!!

Now in 2021 there are ZERO....ZERO Fairfax HS Football teams from Fairfax in MaxPreps preseason Top 25 Teams!!???

School Ovr. Str. +/-
1 Oscar Smith (Chesapeake) 0-0 0.0 +1
2 Life Christian Academy (Chester) 1-0 -27.2 -1
3 Benedictine (Richmond) 0-0 0.0 --
4 Lord Botetourt (Daleville) 0-0 0.0 --
5 Massaponax (Spotsylvania) 0-0 0.0 --
6 Manchester (Midlothian) 0-0 0.0 --
7 Tuscarora (Leesburg) 0-0 0.0 --
8 Liberty Christian (Lynchburg) 0-0 0.0 --
9 Broad Run (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --
10 Highland Springs 0-0 0.0 --
11 Maury (Norfolk) 0-0 0.0 --
12 Riverheads (Staunton) 0-0 0.0 --
13 Salem 0-0 0.0 --
14 Lafayette (Williamsburg) 0-0 0.0 --
15 Lake Taylor (Norfolk) 0-0 0.0 --
16 John Champe (Aldie) 0-0 0.0 --
17 Stone Bridge (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --
18 Appomattox County (Appomattox) 0-0 0.0 --
19 Battlefield (Haymarket) 0-0 0.0 --
20 Dale (Chester) 0-0 0.0 --
21 Dinwiddie 0-0 0.0 --
22 Freedom (Woodbridge) 0-0 0.0 --
23 Patriot (Nokesville) 0-0 0.0 --
24 Gar-Field (Woodbridge) 0-0 0.0 --
25 Briar Woods (Ashburn) 0-0 0.0 --

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nufan ()
Date: August 20, 2021 04:32PM

Only you care!! And at the end of the season there will be one team playing from Fairfax in the final.

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Posted by: O.Smith ()
Date: August 20, 2021 09:21PM

nufan Wrote:
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> Only you care!! And at the end of the season
> there will be one team playing from Fairfax in the
> final.


AND, expect another running clock. I just watched the Manchester vs Thomas Dale scrimmage and both appear to be ready to make a deep playoff run. BTW, South County is ranked 30th or so in most rankings. Just admit it, NorthernVA football has fallen off just as I had predicted!!

Y'all can blame me for the drop off on FFU participation BUT in reality, despite having a huge number of much larger schools, more $$$ more coaches with higher salaries more players which includes freshman teams, your brand of football is not up to par compared to 804/757 football!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nufan ()
Date: August 21, 2021 08:05AM

Agreed!!

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Region guys thoughts ()
Date: August 21, 2021 08:47AM

Come on now, you know better, Pre Season ranking dont mean anything, injuries, upsets and just not playing as well as anticipated, all factor into the season.

With all the athletes in the 757, they should win every year!
All you have to do it get the players to the field and let them play. With a little coaching, those teams will go along way.

In NOVA, its more about fundamentals and coaching, with maybe 1 or 2 athletes on a team. If the staff cant get the team to play together, then they wont win.

Has NOVA football fallen off? Maybe so, but it will come back around, it always does.

OS has been favored to win every year since 2006 and probably before that, So you won last year, congratulations, what is that 2 in the last 10-12 years?

Its all goes in cycles, this looks like OS's cycle, Enjoy it!! It doesn't always last

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: dhmgm ()
Date: August 21, 2021 08:23PM

O.Smith Wrote:
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> AND, expect another running clock. I just watched
> the Manchester vs Thomas Dale scrimmage and both
> appear to be ready to make a deep playoff run.
> BTW, South County is ranked 30th or so in most
> rankings. Just admit it, NorthernVA football has
> fallen off just as I had predicted!!
>
> Y'all can blame me for the drop off on FFU
> participation BUT in reality, despite having a
> huge number of much larger schools, more $$$ more
> coaches with higher salaries more players which
> includes freshman teams, your brand of football is
> not up to par compared to 804/757 football!!

You predicted nothing. You have been repeating the same tired nonsense for 6 consecutive years - it doesn't count as a prediction when Smith finally wins one.

How incredibly stupid do you have to be to make a claim that Fairfax football is "not up to par compared to 804/757 football"? You would lose all credibility with such claims except for the fact you already lost your credibility making the exact same claims for the last 6 years. You are just a homer which is fine I guess, but Fairfax County football has won 5 out of the last 8 Class 6 state championships.

Keep in mind you were making the exact same claims in the very years Fairfax County football was winning states. You have no credibility.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: parentof2 - week 1 ()
Date: August 22, 2021 10:42AM

Hello all! That time of the year is finally back upon us! Thankfully this year every school gets the normal ten game slate. I noticed a few scrimmages in the area were cancelled, not sure if it was for weather reasons or COVID reasons. Hopefully every school is able to get the majority of their games in this year. If we are cancelling games this year because of one positive test, we may be in trouble. Let's hope for the best.

As I have done in previous years, I will post the results from the prior week as well as the spreads for the upcoming week on Sunday. I use the old school names as well, because that's just what I have known them as. Do not mean to offend anyone. Not sure what to expect from some schools in terms of who is coming, etc., and coming off the COVID spring season, it's been harder than ever to keep up. My goal is to get progressively better each week, so work with me the first few weeks. As always, I encourage comments/any input y'all want to put in! I have noticed the traffic is down on this thread as opposed to other years, maybe its the spammers, I don't know. I recommend the regulars copy and paste the URL so you don't lose it. I am also in a VAPreps forum, if y'all are in any other forums as well, please do share!

Let's get this thing going.


1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
- First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I think FC should be fine here.

2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
- First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new district alignment will help Hayfield more than anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given the new horrible National, they should be a .500 team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not sure who they are bringing back this year, but we will see.

3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
- I believe Shields' son is back for his senior year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be better than they were in the spring. Herndon went 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be over by halftime.

4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
- James Yoest is a better than average QB in the area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the spring.

5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
- Lee is a year or two away from being the next Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how they are able to field a team every year. Oakton is bad, Lee is even worse.

6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
- Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the game winner in the state championship is back, I believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation, we will see where they are in a hurry though. Looking forward to this one.

7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
- This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I think WS might surprise some folks. They have a good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the slight advantage given all their athletes. Should be a good one.

8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
- Co-game of the week. I really like this match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one of those schools where I’m not sure how much talent they lost. They are also now in the Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs, they have to beat the teams like Robinson.

9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
- Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they have been in years past with Wortham and the likes of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his commitment to ECU as well.

10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
- Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB - Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25 in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle. WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field. I think they will be better than they were last year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ win.

11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
- Meh.

12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
- I thought this was supposed to be the home opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in the spring.

13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax

14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)

15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
- Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the slight nod.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Region guys thoughts ()
Date: August 22, 2021 12:01PM

My thoughts

> 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
> - First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled
> Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I
> think FC should be fine here.
Agree, GM will struggle
>
> 2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
> - First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new
> district alignment will help Hayfield more than
> anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old
> Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in
> 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of
> a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given
> the new horrible National, they should be a .500
> team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not
> sure who they are bringing back this year, but we
> will see.
Agree, but this will be much closer then people think, Doc hasn't really done anything at LB
> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - I believe Shields' son is back for his senior
> year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be
> better than they were in the spring. Herndon went
> 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total
> of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their
> best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be
> over by halftime.
Agree, I thought the Shields kid graduated tho
>
> 4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
> - James Yoest is a better than average QB in the
> area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on
> that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep
> up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the
> spring. Yorktown is always very competitive...maybe a sleeper team
>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Lee is a year or two away from being the next
> Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how
> they are able to field a team every year. Oakton
> is bad, Lee is even worse.
I think Oakton will be much improved this year, senior QB is better then people think
>
> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone
> Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the
> game winner in the state championship is back, I
> believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a
> few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I
> don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation,
> we will see where they are in a hurry though.
> Looking forward to this one.
SB wins by 10
>
> 7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
> - This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I
> think WS might surprise some folks. They have a
> good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the
> slight advantage given all their athletes. Should
> be a good one.
I think WS is a better team and will win this one
>
> 8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
> - Co-game of the week. I really like this
> match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more
> diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to
> figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson
> leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one
> of those schools where I’m not sure how much
> talent they lost. They are also now in the
> Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs,
> they have to beat the teams like Robinson.
Close game, but Robinson wins
>
> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they
> have been in years past with Wortham and the likes
> of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes
> though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total
> cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they
> look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his
> commitment to ECU as well.
SoCo too much for Woodbridge, this will be a blow out
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ
> has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB -
> Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t
> know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25
> in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle.
> WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field.
> I think they will be better than they were last
> year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ
> win.
Westfield wins easily
>
> 11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
> - Meh.
lol, Agree
>
> 12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
> - I thought this was supposed to be the home
> opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also
> have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a
> classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in
> the spring. close game as TC always starts slow, but TC wins>
> 13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
>
> 14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
Marshall in a close game
>
> 15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
> - Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly
> in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po
> has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the
> slight nod.
WP wins, but a close game

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: nova fan ()
Date: August 22, 2021 03:35PM

Thank you for posting your spreads. And I take no offense from your posting the old school names; that's how I know them. Here is my stab at picking against your spreads.

parentof2 - week 1 Wrote:
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> Hello all! That time of the year is finally back
> upon us! Thankfully this year every school gets
> the normal ten game slate. I noticed a few
> scrimmages in the area were cancelled, not sure if
> it was for weather reasons or COVID reasons.
> Hopefully every school is able to get the majority
> of their games in this year. If we are cancelling
> games this year because of one positive test, we
> may be in trouble. Let's hope for the best.
>
> As I have done in previous years, I will post the
> results from the prior week as well as the spreads
> for the upcoming week on Sunday. I use the old
> school names as well, because that's just what I
> have known them as. Do not mean to offend anyone.
> Not sure what to expect from some schools in terms
> of who is coming, etc., and coming off the COVID
> spring season, it's been harder than ever to keep
> up. My goal is to get progressively better each
> week, so work with me the first few weeks. As
> always, I encourage comments/any input y'all want
> to put in! I have noticed the traffic is down on
> this thread as opposed to other years, maybe its
> the spammers, I don't know. I recommend the
> regulars copy and paste the URL so you don't lose
> it. I am also in a VAPreps forum, if y'all are in
> any other forums as well, please do share!
>
> Let's get this thing going.
>
>
> 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
> - First game of the post-Aziz era. FC scheduled
> Mason for a reason, they are not very good. I
> think FC should be fine here.

Falls Church wins and covers
>
> 2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
> - First game of the Aziz era at Hayfield. The new
> district alignment will help Hayfield more than
> anyone else. In 2009 they moved from the old
> Patriot to the old National and went from 1-9 in
> 2008 to 9-3 in 2009. I'm not expecting that big of
> a jump from Hayfield this time around, but given
> the new horrible National, they should be a .500
> team. LB is just too much for them I think. Not
> sure who they are bringing back this year, but we
> will see.

Braddock wins and covers
>
> 3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
> - I believe Shields' son is back for his senior
> year at QB, I am expecting Centreville to be
> better than they were in the spring. Herndon went
> 0-6, got shutout 3 times and scored a grand total
> of 40 points in 6 games. They also graduated their
> best player, a big 6'3 DB/WR. This one will be
> over by halftime.

I hate picking against big spreads, but your points are valid. Centreville wins and covers.
>
> 4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
> - James Yoest is a better than average QB in the
> area, Yorktown is going to continue to feast on
> that district as well. Yorktown is looking to keep
> up the good play after posting a 5-2 record in the
> spring.

Yorktown wins and covers
>
> 5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
> - Lee is a year or two away from being the next
> Thomas Jefferson in my opinion. I'm not sure how
> they are able to field a team every year. Oakton
> is bad, Lee is even worse.

Oakton wins and covers.
>
> 6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
> - Game of the week, no doubt about it. Stone
> Bridge is Stone Bridge. The WR that caught the
> game winner in the state championship is back, I
> believe the QB is as well. They probably landed a
> few transfers as well as the JV kids that breed. I
> don’t know how much Madison lost to graduation,
> we will see where they are in a hurry though.
> Looking forward to this one.

I think this will be closer. Stonebridge wins, doesn't cover
>
> 7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
> - This one is honestly a toss up in my mind. I
> think WS might surprise some folks. They have a
> good QB and some weapons around him. Giving MV the
> slight advantage given all their athletes. Should
> be a good one.

I'll go with West Springfield to win outright
>
> 8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
> - Co-game of the week. I really like this
> match-up. Robinson is going to have to be more
> diverse in their offensive attack, it is easy to
> figure them out. I have this feeling that Robinson
> leaves Reston victorious though. SL is another one
> of those schools where I’m not sure how much
> talent they lost. They are also now in the
> Concorde so if they want to make the playoffs,
> they have to beat the teams like Robinson.

I think South Lakes is more multi-dimensional than Robo. South Lakes wins and covers.
>
> 9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
> - Woodbridge definitely is not the same beast they
> have been in years past with Wortham and the likes
> of Da’shawn Hand, they still have athletes
> though. I’m glad SoCo is not playing a total
> cupcake in week one. Interested to see how they
> look this year. Congrats to Brock Spalding on his
> commitment to ECU as well.

South County wins and covers
>
> 10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
> - Another very intriguing week one match-up. SJ
> has the #2 recruit in VA in Shawn Murphy (LB -
> Alabama commit) but other than that, I don’t
> know much about them. WF has Caleb Wheatland (#25
> in VA, LB - Maryland commit) I like the LB battle.
> WF also has a few other D1 kids around the field.
> I think they will be better than they were last
> year, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see SJ
> win.
>

Westfield wins and covers
> 11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
> - Meh.
>
Is this the spread, or the over/under. I'll take Stuart to win, not to cover

> 12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
> - I thought this was supposed to be the home
> opener for T.C. on their new turf field. They also
> have lights now as well - about time! Talk about a
> classic rivalry here. T.C. beat Annandale by 20 in
> the spring.

TC Williams wins and covers.
>
> 13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax

I saw Fairfax's scrimmage against Oakton, which they won 21-20. I think Fairfax will win against lesser teams, but get beat up in the Patriot. Is Wakefield really any good? I'll take Fairfax to win outright.
>
> 14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)

Marshall wins and covers.
>
> 15. West Potomac (-7) @ McLean
> - Like this match-up also. McLean improved vastly
> in the spring as opposed to recent years. West Po
> has the Rt. 1 athletes and thus, they get the
> slight nod.

Agree; WestPo wins and covers.

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: LB FAN 2020 ()
Date: August 22, 2021 03:41PM

Region guys thoughts Wrote:
------------------------------------------------- 1. Falls Church (-8) @ George Mason
FC covers and wins

2. Hayfield @ Lake Braddock (-24)
Hayfield covers but loses. LB is average

3. Herndon @ Centreville (-30)
CV covers

4. Langley @ Yorktown (-24)
Langley covers but loses

5. Lee @ Oakton (-13)
Oakton covers and wins by 20+

6. Madison @ Stone Bridge (-14)
Madison covers, but loses. Very close, Madison is for real

7. Mount Vernon (-3) @ West Springfield
West Springfield wins by 10+. WS will be very good

8. Robinson (-3) @ South Lakes
Robinson wins by 35+. Rams will be better than expected

9. South County (-17) @ Woodbridge
SC wins by 30+

10. Stonewall Jackson @ Westfield (-3)
WF wins by 17+

11. Stuart (-15) @ Edison
Stuart covers

12. T.C. Williams (-6) @ Annandale
TC covers and wins by 20+

13. Wakefield (-10) @ Fairfax
Fairfax wins

14. Washington-Lee @ Marshall (-7)
Marshall covers

Prediction:
**2 or more of these games will not be played due to Covid**

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Covid soco ()
Date: August 22, 2021 05:32PM

Soco will be missing 25+ players for the game against Woodbridge due to Covid quarantines

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Re: High School Football 2021
Posted by: Socovid ()
Date: August 22, 2021 06:13PM

damn that sucks, are they missing anyone significant? at least they are cancelling the game

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