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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 03:53PM

Dirty Truth Wrote:
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> Madison was not included in the boundary study
> because many Madison parents, who are in the
> Hunter Mill District, would have voted Stu out.
> So it sounds like Vienna colluded with Stu to
> remain out of the Boundary Study, just as Langley
> colluded with Janie to remain safe. Lots of dirty
> politics going on if you ask me. Why does the
> Vienna contingent of Hunter Mill keeps voting Stu
> in? The answer is in plain sight.

The area of Madison closest to South Lakes, out Hunter Mill road, is not in Stu's district. It is in Sully district, and it's not Vienna, but Oakton. Most people at Madison wouldn't really care if those folks were redistricted. They aren't really a part of Vienna. It's ridiculous that they go all the way to Thoreau for middle school when they are so close to Hughes and SL.

Janie, Kathy, and Stu decided which areas would be part of the boundary study. Since Madison isn't really overcrowded there is little reason to include it.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:02PM

From FCPS stats, 82 students placed out of South Lakes while 50 placed in. How on earth did Bruce Butler come up with a net GAIN of 42 students at South Lakes?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:13PM

Baffled Wrote:
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> Hmm, just curious, does anybody think ALL the 12
> sb members will confer for the Feb 28 final vote
> on the West County RD?

The vote will be 10 to 2, with Hone and Raney voting against it. The others will fall in line and vote with Stu, following the unwritten rule that they don't mess around in each other's districts. Tom Davis wouldn't decide what should happen in Frank Wolf's district. Brad Center won't decide what should happen in Stu's district. At large people don't want to anger ANY of their constituents, but Tina Hone has made it very clear that she wants the entire county redistricted because all of our elementary school boundaries were drawn for racial reasons. (I would love to know how she intends to kick out white kids from their neighborhood schools in McLean and Vienna, and bus in Black kids.) Raney remains somewhat on the bubble, but he has said that other ways to fill South Lakes should be explored before resorting to redistricting. There is a slim chance that Janie could vote against this, to appease her voters in the Madison Island, while knowing that it would still pass without her vote.

At least 4 school board members have mentioned wanting county wide redistricting, but they need 3 more to make it happen. I wouldn't speculate as to whether or not they will get those 3, over the next 4 years.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: ILoveNeen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:17PM

Two facts FoxMill district voted against Stu. His only loss.

Arkelian 1033
Gibson 590

Madison Island Votes in Strauss's district, the Island voters vote at Colvin, in that precinct it was

527 for Strauss

154 for James Madison Write In Candidate

Jane had some other write in votes in other precincts but they didnt add up to more than 8.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Floris Parent ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:18PM

Hey Neen or any others involved in the RD. Please look at the question I asked of Denise James, read her respnse, and let me know if what she is saying makes sense to you.

Re: high school redistricting
Hello Denise,

Can someone explain the discrepancies in the enrollment figures comparing FCPS info with the VDOE. I see the VDOE figures are updated as of May1 2007, and FCPS is as of June 2007.

[schoolprofiles.fcps.edu]

When you look at the FCPS site you will see the following for the 2006-2007 year:

Total Enrollment 1413
Free and reduced meal Total 468 and 33.12%




When you check the VDOE site (updated as of May 1st 2007, you will note the following:

[www.doe.virginia.gov] At this site scroll to page 42 and see the Stats for South lake. You will not the following;

Total Enrollment 1496
Free Lunch total 299
Reduced lunch total 103

Combined 402 and a 26.87%


Summary:

VDOE Enrollment is 1496 and FCPS Enrollment is 1413 Which is a Difference of 83 children. Where did the 83 children go between May 1 2007 and June of 2007?

VDOE Total FRM is 402 Total and 26.87% and FCPS is 468 and 33.12%
The question is, how did population of students decline by 83, while the number of students on the FRM program increase by 66?

If I am not looking at correct data, please correct me.



Good Afternoon XXX - Here is where this discrepancy may be occurring - The figures that are included in the boundary study are not June 2007but they were mid September 2007, actual enrollment. In addition, theVDOE numbers for Free and Reduced Lunch are for the school year 2006-07.The Free and Reduced Lunch numbers that we used in the boundary studyare actual numbers as of mid September. There are other differences in numbers shown as reported by VDOE andFCPS. VDOE includes only those students residing within the schoolboundaries. FCPS listing may include students outside of boundary andthat total student number may be different from actual studentsattending the school. In addition, the free and reduced numbers shown onthe VDOE site are the ones that are approved for the program. Theschool site number for free and reduced lunch program also includesstudents for whom the decision is pending. I hope this helps. Regards,

Denise James

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:29PM

AFMD Wrote:
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> fmparent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No homes have sold in FME since September;
> there
> > have been closings since then, but no new sales.
>
> > What do you think this has to do with? People
> who
> > think that home sales and prices have nothing
> to
> > do with school districts are complete idiots.
> > Take what you what would realistically get now
> in
> > this down market and subtract $50K for homes
> > 300-500K, and subtract $75K for 500-700K and
> > that's what you will be left with in Fox Mill
> if
> > it is redistricted to South Lakes.
>
> A house on my street just sold so I know at least
> one FME house that's sold since Sept. Ever since
> the market downturn there has been a lot of
> inventory in FME though. I agree that school
> districts are a important factor in property
> values but I think the local ES carries more
> weight than the HS and FMES is as good as it gets
> in Fx Co. Even if RD causes prices to drop
> further in FME, any new family moving in is going
> to have to have good credit so I doubt FMES will
> get an influx of poor students. I wouldn't sell
> my house anyway but I don't think it would be wise
> to do so as a result of RD.


I spoke with my realtor and she said there was a FM property sold in Sept with no FM houses being sold until recently in which you were referring to. She also said that people do ask her about the school pyramids when buying houses and clients will study the school pyramids as part of the factor for buying a house if they have kids.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SELF INTEREST FIRST ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:30PM

With all of the comments on this site, I do not believe that you people get it?

Jack Dale and the entire School Board do not give a damn about you, your child or what is best for FairFax County Students.

The only thing they care about is themselves and how they can benefit by favors, paybacks, power and political chips.

I for one believe they are out of control and need to go NOW. I hope you do also.

Remember it is your money, not there's and they work for you.

Please give them hell at any redistricting meetings in the County.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:35PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Baffled Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hmm, just curious, does anybody think ALL the
> 12
> > sb members will confer for the Feb 28 final
> vote
> > on the West County RD?
>
> The vote will be 10 to 2, with Hone and Raney
> voting against it. The others will fall in line
> and vote with Stu, following the unwritten rule
> that they don't mess around in each other's
> districts. Tom Davis wouldn't decide what should
> happen in Frank Wolf's district. Brad Center
> won't decide what should happen in Stu's district.
> At large people don't want to anger ANY of their
> constituents, but Tina Hone has made it very clear
> that she wants the entire county redistricted
> because all of our elementary school boundaries
> were drawn for racial reasons. (I would love to
> know how she intends to kick out white kids from
> their neighborhood schools in McLean and Vienna,
> and bus in Black kids.) Raney remains somewhat on
> the bubble, but he has said that other ways to
> fill South Lakes should be explored before
> resorting to redistricting. There is a slim
> chance that Janie could vote against this, to
> appease her voters in the Madison Island, while
> knowing that it would still pass without her vote.
>
>
> At least 4 school board members have mentioned
> wanting county wide redistricting, but they need 3
> more to make it happen. I wouldn't speculate as
> to whether or not they will get those 3, over the
> next 4 years.


Thanks, I meant if ALL the 12 members will show up for the Feb 28 meeting to make the final vote. What happens if some of them do not show up?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Anonymous ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:41PM

Then their vote doesn't count...need 7 total to pass

Probably closer to 5-6 for countywide, but won't happen

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 04:48PM

Floris Parent Wrote:
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> Hey Neen or any others involved in the RD. Please
> look at the question I asked of Denise James, read
> her respnse, and let me know if what she is saying
> makes sense to you.
>
> Re: high school redistricting
> Hello Denise,
>
> Can someone explain the discrepancies in the
> enrollment figures comparing FCPS info with the
> VDOE. I see the VDOE figures are updated as of
> May1 2007, and FCPS is as of June 2007.
>
>
>
> When you look at the FCPS site you will see the
> following for the 2006-2007 year:
>
> Total Enrollment 1413
> Free and reduced meal Total 468 and 33.12%
>
>
>
>
> When you check the VDOE site (updated as of May
> 1st 2007, you will note the following:
>
> At this site scroll to page 42 and see the Stats
> for South lake. You will not the following;
>
> Total Enrollment 1496
> Free Lunch total 299
> Reduced lunch total 103
>
> Combined 402 and a 26.87%
>
>
> Summary:
>
> VDOE Enrollment is 1496 and FCPS Enrollment is
> 1413 Which is a Difference of 83 children. Where
> did the 83 children go between May 1 2007 and June
> of 2007?
>
> VDOE Total FRM is 402 Total and 26.87% and FCPS is
> 468 and 33.12%
> The question is, how did population of students
> decline by 83, while the number of students on the
> FRM program increase by 66?
>
> If I am not looking at correct data, please
> correct me.
>
>
>
> Good Afternoon XXX - Here is where this
> discrepancy may be occurring - The figures that
> are included in the boundary study are not June
> 2007but they were mid September 2007, actual
> enrollment. In addition, theVDOE numbers for Free
> and Reduced Lunch are for the school year
> 2006-07.The Free and Reduced Lunch numbers that we
> used in the boundary studyare actual numbers as of
> mid September. There are other differences in
> numbers shown as reported by VDOE andFCPS. VDOE
> includes only those students residing within the
> schoolboundaries. FCPS listing may include
> students outside of boundary andthat total student
> number may be different from actual
> studentsattending the school. In addition, the
> free and reduced numbers shown onthe VDOE site are
> the ones that are approved for the program.
> Theschool site number for free and reduced lunch
> program also includesstudents for whom the
> decision is pending. I hope this helps.
> Regards,
>
> Denise James


Thanks..sounds a little bit confusing, does it? What did Denise mean by saying that FCPS may include students outside the boundary?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 05:06PM

taxpayer Wrote:
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>
>
> I watched that portion of the meeting on TV and
> Stu Gibson was heroic. Yes-heroes can be flawed
> and so can their actions. If it wasn't for Stu
> everyone else would have rolled over with the
> South County Middle School being built starting
> tomorrow bumping every other project in this
> county. That includes Coppermine. Stu also was
> the only one with the sense to inquire about
> reducing the size of the new Glasgow. Would Stu
> send Aldrin to South Lakes? Would he chnage the
> Langley boundary? My guess is he would but
> Strauss is the real problem.

Isn't Aldrin in Stu's district? If so, Janie Strauss has little say, although it would upset her school, Herndon.

Isn't the new Glasgow already built, with students moving there in a few days? It's too late to reduce the size of the school now. Why is Stu inquiring about it now that it's too late to do anything?

Did the SB vote against bumping up construction on the new South County middle school? If so, I bet Lynn Bradsher was shocked, considering she supported Stu's re election AND gave him a rather sizable amount of money. Ummmm..........perhaps thats another vote against redistricting. Interesting.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SHOCKED ()
Date: January 25, 2008 05:16PM

Neen Wrote:
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> taxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > I watched that portion of the meeting on TV and
> > Stu Gibson was heroic. Yes-heroes can be
> flawed
> > and so can their actions. If it wasn't for Stu
> > everyone else would have rolled over with the
> > South County Middle School being built starting
> > tomorrow bumping every other project in this
> > county. That includes Coppermine. Stu also was
> > the only one with the sense to inquire about
> > reducing the size of the new Glasgow. Would
> Stu
> > send Aldrin to South Lakes? Would he chnage the
> > Langley boundary? My guess is he would but
> > Strauss is the real problem.
>
> Isn't Aldrin in Stu's district? If so, Janie
> Strauss has little say, although it would upset
> her school, Herndon.
>
> Isn't the new Glasgow already built, with students
> moving there in a few days? It's too late to
> reduce the size of the school now. Why is Stu
> inquiring about it now that it's too late to do
> anything?
>
> Did the SB vote against bumping up construction on
> the new South County middle school? If so, I bet
> Lynn Bradsher was shocked, considering she
> supported Stu's re election AND gave him a rather
> sizable amount of money. Ummmm..........perhaps
> thats another vote against redistricting.
> Interesting.

Questions to anybody who might have answers to the following;

How much money did Bradsher give Gibson?

Did the SB approve the SC middle school?

When does construction start?

What will be the cost?

Does the SB have the money to build this school?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 05:18PM

Neen Wrote:
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> taxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > I watched that portion of the meeting on TV and
> > Stu Gibson was heroic. Yes-heroes can be
> flawed
> > and so can their actions. If it wasn't for Stu
> > everyone else would have rolled over with the
> > South County Middle School being built starting
> > tomorrow bumping every other project in this
> > county. That includes Coppermine. Stu also was
> > the only one with the sense to inquire about
> > reducing the size of the new Glasgow. Would
> Stu
> > send Aldrin to South Lakes? Would he chnage the
> > Langley boundary? My guess is he would but
> > Strauss is the real problem.
>
> Isn't Aldrin in Stu's district? If so, Janie
> Strauss has little say, although it would upset
> her school, Herndon.
>
> Isn't the new Glasgow already built, with students
> moving there in a few days? It's too late to
> reduce the size of the school now. Why is Stu
> inquiring about it now that it's too late to do
> anything?
>
> Did the SB vote against bumping up construction on
> the new South County middle school? If so, I bet
> Lynn Bradsher was shocked, considering she
> supported Stu's re election AND gave him a rather
> sizable amount of money. Ummmm..........perhaps
> thats another vote against redistricting.
> Interesting.


My mind is in a little bit of funk right now--what did you mean about Bradsher giving Stu a sizable amount of money? To help with his election?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: New Math ()
Date: January 25, 2008 05:30PM

Where did the 83 children go between May 1 2007 and June of 2007?

40-45 picked up by INS, maybe 10-15 in rehab, then there are at least 10 in jail. What's that leave us with? 15 or so? Can't we just place them in that nifty miscellaneous category?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SHOCKED ()
Date: January 25, 2008 05:37PM

Baffled Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > taxpayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > I watched that portion of the meeting on TV
> and
> > > Stu Gibson was heroic. Yes-heroes can be
> > flawed
> > > and so can their actions. If it wasn't for
> Stu
> > > everyone else would have rolled over with the
> > > South County Middle School being built
> starting
> > > tomorrow bumping every other project in this
> > > county. That includes Coppermine. Stu also
> was
> > > the only one with the sense to inquire about
> > > reducing the size of the new Glasgow. Would
> > Stu
> > > send Aldrin to South Lakes? Would he chnage
> the
> > > Langley boundary? My guess is he would but
> > > Strauss is the real problem.
> >
> > Isn't Aldrin in Stu's district? If so, Janie
> > Strauss has little say, although it would upset
> > her school, Herndon.
> >
> > Isn't the new Glasgow already built, with
> students
> > moving there in a few days? It's too late to
> > reduce the size of the school now. Why is Stu
> > inquiring about it now that it's too late to do
> > anything?
> >
> > Did the SB vote against bumping up construction
> on
> > the new South County middle school? If so, I
> bet
> > Lynn Bradsher was shocked, considering she
> > supported Stu's re election AND gave him a
> rather
> > sizable amount of money.
> Ummmm..........perhaps
> > thats another vote against redistricting.
> > Interesting.
>
>
> My mind is in a little bit of funk right now--what
> did you mean about Bradsher giving Stu a sizable
> amount of money? To help with his election?

Did Bradsher buy her way onto the SB??????????????????????????????????

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Lorton Stallion ()
Date: January 25, 2008 08:26PM

Did Bradsher buy her way onto the SB??????????????????????????????????

I think so!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 09:23PM

Lorton Stallion Wrote:
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> Did Bradsher buy her way onto the
> SB??????????????????????????????????
>
> I think so!

How would she have done that? Did she pay people to vote for her?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 09:27PM

>>>My mind is in a little bit of funk right now--what did you mean about Bradsher giving Stu a sizable amount of money? To help with his election?<<<

Yes, Liz Bradsher gave money to Stu's re-election campaign. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 09:37PM

>>>>Questions to anybody who might have answers to the following;

How much money did Bradsher give Gibson?

Did the SB approve the SC middle school?

When does construction start?

What will be the cost?

Does the SB have the money to build this school?<<<

Only campaign donations over $99 must be reported. I saw one donation from Bradsher to Stu's campaign for $300. I do not know if she gave more than that one check.

SB gets the money for all new construction from bonds. Voters always vote for school bonds by a wide margin, 75% or more. Everyone wants to support the schools, voting for facility bonds is an easy way to do that. It's free money, right?

I can't answer your other questions. I don't know the cost of the new south county middle school, but I am fairly certain that construction has not yet begun.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: working session ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:02PM

at last nights working session, Raney did propose alternatives to redistricting. All put on fake smiles (with slimy Gibson behaving like a used car salesman) and applauded Raney for trying real hard but ALL, except for Hone who was very passionate about how poorly this situation has been carried out, pretty much voted to stay on on this shipwreck waiting to happen. Good for Raney to at least give it a shot and stand by his convictions. Too bad none of the other board members have made any public stance.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Hmm ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:13PM

Bradsher got all the Crosspointe Crones, Barrington B#tches and their henpecked husbands to donate $ to various candidates to support an unneeded SC MS. That area is the one that is most obvious to be redistricted to go to LB to alleviate crowding at SC.

If Bradsher was a true Republican, she would be a fiscal conservative. She should be concentrating on sending Newington Forest LB if Silverbrook is essential to the success of SC (as the Silverbrookers claim).

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:20PM

SELF INTEREST FIRST Wrote:
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> With all of the comments on this site, I do not
> believe that you people get it?
>
> Jack Dale and the entire School Board do not give
> a damn about you, your child or what is best for
> FairFax County Students.
>
> The only thing they care about is themselves and
> how they can benefit by favors, paybacks, power
> and political chips.
>
> I for one believe they are out of control and need
> to go NOW. I hope you do also.
>
> Remember it is your money, not there's and they
> work for you.
>
> Please give them hell at any redistricting
> meetings in the County.

Your advice is a bit late since they were all re-elected in November. :(

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:34PM

Baffled Wrote:
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>> Thanks, I meant if ALL the 12 members will show up
> for the Feb 28 meeting to make the final vote.
> What happens if some of them do not show up?

If someone doesn't show up then they don't get a vote. So the vote might be 9 to 2, if someone does show up. It's the same as vote by any political body. Not all Congressmen show up for every vote. The vote happens anyway. I would be surprised if anyone on our school board missed an important vote like boundaries. They will each want to give their little speech. Stu will be in his glory, giving a rousing, very passionate, speech in support of South Lakes. Tina Hone will be equally in her glory, giving a speech about how racist ALL the school boundaries are. Raney will sound reasoned, talking about a business model for all of this, wild things like fiscal responsibility, and responsibility to those who pay the bills, the taxpayers. Democrats on the board will NOT like that kind of talk. Phil N-E will sound very smart, although few people will know what he's talking about. Janie will be nice, speak to her constituents, then explain why she's doing the right thing for ALL students. Dan and Brad will have what sound like good reasons for supporting Stu. Moon will go along with the other democrats and say about the same things that they say. Tessie and Liz will vote with Stu because it's 'the right thing to do'. Everyone will say how difficult this all is and how they understand that 'passions run high', or something similar. They want you to know that they feel your pain,except for Stu, who thinks you are VERY wrong for opposing this redistricting, because it is OH-SO-IMPORTANT for South Lakes, Reston, Virginia, and the American Way.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:42PM

working session Wrote:
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> at last nights working session, Raney did propose
> alternatives to redistricting. All put on fake
> smiles (with slimy Gibson behaving like a used car
> salesman) and applauded Raney for trying real hard
> but ALL, except for Hone who was very passionate
> about how poorly this situation has been carried
> out, pretty much voted to stay on on this
> shipwreck waiting to happen. Good for Raney to at
> least give it a shot and stand by his convictions.
> Too bad none of the other board members have made
> any public stance.

The others really couldn't say anything. It's not their district. It would be like a Senator from Montana saying what should be done in Virginia. Only at large candidates can express an opinion that might differ from what the district representative wants done, because they also represent that district. But don't look to Moon, he ALWAYS votes with the democrat majority. He's never cared what voters want done.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 10:44PM

Hmm Wrote:
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> Bradsher got all the Crosspointe Crones,
> Barrington B#tches and their henpecked husbands to
> donate $ to various candidates to support an
> unneeded SC MS. That area is the one that is most
> obvious to be redistricted to go to LB to
> alleviate crowding at SC.
>
> If Bradsher was a true Republican, she would be a
> fiscal conservative. She should be concentrating
> on sending Newington Forest LB if Silverbrook is
> essential to the success of SC (as the
> Silverbrookers claim).

Bradsher got elected because she helped to get South County HS built and has promised to the same thing with South County middle school.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 11:21PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Baffled Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >> Thanks, I meant if ALL the 12 members will show
> up
> > for the Feb 28 meeting to make the final vote.
>
> > What happens if some of them do not show up?
>
> If someone doesn't show up then they don't get a
> vote. So the vote might be 9 to 2, if someone
> does show up. It's the same as vote by any
> political body. Not all Congressmen show up for
> every vote. The vote happens anyway. I would be
> surprised if anyone on our school board missed an
> important vote like boundaries. They will each
> want to give their little speech. Stu will be in
> his glory, giving a rousing, very passionate,
> speech in support of South Lakes. Tina Hone will
> be equally in her glory, giving a speech about how
> racist ALL the school boundaries are. Raney will
> sound reasoned, talking about a business model for
> all of this, wild things like fiscal
> responsibility, and responsibility to those who
> pay the bills, the taxpayers. Democrats on the
> board will NOT like that kind of talk. Phil N-E
> will sound very smart, although few people will
> know what he's talking about. Janie will be nice,
> speak to her constituents, then explain why she's
> doing the right thing for ALL students. Dan and
> Brad will have what sound like good reasons for
> supporting Stu. Moon will go along with the other
> democrats and say about the same things that they
> say. Tessie and Liz will vote with Stu because
> it's 'the right thing to do'. Everyone will say
> how difficult this all is and how they understand
> that 'passions run high', or something similar.
> They want you to know that they feel your
> pain,except for Stu, who thinks you are VERY wrong
> for opposing this redistricting, because it is
> OH-SO-IMPORTANT for South Lakes, Reston, Virginia,
> and the American Way.


Waving the American Flag...how does Stu and his supporters really know this RD will take off with flying colors when it will be a flop? They seem so confident this will work. Amazing. Say, was this a honest and fair approach to publicize 4 weird scenarios before posting the "true" one that they have discussed two years ago?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 11:35PM

It all depends on what the definition of 'works' is. It will work in that they will expand the boundary area for South Lakes. That doesn't mean that it will 'work' to provide more courses for high performing students, or any other student. But more courses may not even be the goal.

What exactly is the goal of the redistricting? Only if the goal is defined can the outcome be measured.

You were supposed to feel like you had a say when they invited you to attend the community meetings. That was supposed to make you feel better, as the SB lead you to the 'right' conclusion.

Even the SB would have to admit the procedure was a total flop. But that won't prevent them from moving ahead as planned. It's a shame that the community didn't fall for their phony procedure, but that doesn't mean they can't do what they wanted to do. They had hope the community would feel better about it, but, oh well, too bad so sad.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 25, 2008 11:47PM

I am also wondering with this redistricting mess, since there is a lower number of students enrolled in the IB program as compared to the general education program at SL (correct me if I am wrong), could it also another reason Stu and the SL PTA wanted to expand the boundary so to make the IB program a worthy one that it is not a waste of money to fcps because there is a lower percentage of students participating in the IB program? I could be totally wrong, but it was just a guess.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 25, 2008 11:51PM

I doubt they really care how many students get the IB diploma. I really don't know how many students take an IB course, but we all know that very few complete the program for the diploma, 40 or so a year.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENCER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 12:01AM

To fairfax county residences

We need to do the following;

Vote no on the next school bond. Remove the power of money from the school board and make them manage the system with the normal funds that they get.

We need to get these bums out of office before they completely destroy the entire fcps system.

We need to propose term limits for all school board members in the future in order to get this group of F--K UP'S OUT.

Lets make a list of what they have screwed up over the last ten years and use this for term limit laws.

Remember there are going to be a lot of taxpayers unhappy with what the SB is going to do with boundarys in western fairfax and southern fairfax. You could be one of them.

They as a group have an will F--K UP ANYTHING.

Look at what they have failed to do.



Jack Dale and the FCPS School Board

The following is a partial list of what you have failed to do or what must be improved:

NCLB SCORES NEED TO BE IMPROVED
DROP OUT RATES NEED TO BE REDUCED
SAT SCORES NEED TO BE IMPROVED
BOUNDARY PROBLEMS FOR ALL SCHOOLS NEED TO BE FIXED
BUDGET SHORT FALLS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED
PORTABLE TRAILERS NEED TO BE REDUCED
BALANCE CAPACITY IN ALL SCHOOLS
CONTROL MRSA IN ALL SCHOOLS
DO AWAY WITH DISCRIMINATION IN FCPS
YOU NEED TO SHOW UP AT MEETING AND ANSWER QUESTIONS
ENFORCE ETHIC AND CONDUCT FAILURES BY FCPS EMPLOYEES




What a group of non productive officials we have in the FCPS system.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Another Lurker ()
Date: January 26, 2008 12:53AM

AVENCER Wrote:
> What a group of non productive officials we have
> in the FCPS system.

Ah, but they have managed to make Dave Kori serve detention, apparently:
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1333400 (and a host of others -- over 130 stories in Google News about the incident so far).

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: an old timer ()
Date: January 26, 2008 01:54AM

AVENCER

I think I'm with you. Could you please ask my nurse?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: January 26, 2008 01:55AM

Another Lurker Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> AVENCER Wrote:
> Ah, but they have managed to make Dave Kori serve detention, apparently:
> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1333 400 (and a host of others -- > over 130 stories in Google News about the incident so far).

Kori did use a cell phone at school during school hours which is against school rules.

But the Lake Braddock principal looks extremely petty requiring Kori to serve Saturday detention.

How many other kids at Lake Braddock have gotten Saturday detention for using a cell phone at school.

Usually they just take the phone away and make the kids go to the security office to get it at the end of the day.

Our kids learn an important lesson here. All authority figures are petty and excessively controlling and will react to any challenges to their authority in a manner that is completely out of all proportion to any sense of reason, especially if the authority figure is made to look foolish in its reaction to your challenge.

Sadly, Kori is quoted in the story saying stuff you expect from Eddie Haskell. Guess they've intimidated this kid extremely well. Think they threatened him with an demerit on his "permanant record?"

And the FCPS's foolish flack, Paul Regnier, is not accepting telephone calls. . . . from the Associated Press?

Isn't that his job?

To speak to the press on behalf of FCPS. Your tax dollars at work!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 03:04AM

Kids at Madison have been allowed to use cell phones in school since 9/11. Of course they aren't supposed to use them in class, but they can have them in school and use them before and after school and I think on breaks too. Some principals use a modicum of common sense, some don't. EAch school is controlled by the principal. It's their little fiefdom to do as they please.

Yes, it is Paul Regnier's job to talk to the press.

If you don't like the job the school system is doing, tell the board of supervisors. They hold the purse strings for the school system.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Inquirer ()
Date: January 26, 2008 03:11AM

Is Mrs. T really going to get away with this? If Kori has to sit detention, then she should be given indefinate unpaid administrative leave.The kid shouldn't have called the house, but her reaction was way over the top.


I want to know what the Eagle Ridge ES parents think about her.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: January 26, 2008 03:23AM

Inquirer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is Mrs. T really going to get away with this? If
> Kori has to sit detention, then she should be
> given indefinate unpaid administrative leave.The
> kid shouldn't have called the house, but her
> reaction was way over the top.
>
>
> I want to know what the Eagle Ridge ES parents
> think about her.

How is she connected to Eagle Ridge?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 07:06AM

Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Inquirer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is Mrs. T really going to get away with this?
> If
> > Kori has to sit detention, then she should be
> > given indefinate unpaid administrative
> leave.The
> > kid shouldn't have called the house, but her
> > reaction was way over the top.
> >
> >
> > I want to know what the Eagle Ridge ES parents
> > think about her.
>
> How is she connected to Eagle Ridge?


Doesn't Mrs. T work at Eagle Ridge as an administrative secretary?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: OrangeFish ()
Date: January 26, 2008 08:08AM

Baffled Wrote:
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> > > I want to know what the Eagle Ridge ES
> parents
> > > think about her.
> >
> > How is she connected to Eagle Ridge?
>
>
> Doesn't Mrs. T work at Eagle Ridge as an
> administrative secretary?

She works in Ashburn?

http://cmsweb1.loudoun.k12.va.us/erms/site/default.asp

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: PROTECTOR ()
Date: January 26, 2008 08:09AM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Kids at Madison have been allowed to use cell
> phones in school since 9/11. Of course they
> aren't supposed to use them in class, but they can
> have them in school and use them before and after
> school and I think on breaks too. Some principals
> use a modicum of common sense, some don't. EAch
> school is controlled by the principal. It's their
> little fiefdom to do as they please.
>
> Yes, it is Paul Regnier's job to talk to the
> press.
>
> If you don't like the job the school system is
> doing, tell the board of supervisors. They hold
> the purse strings for the school system.



Regnier is one more FCPS employee who thinks that he is above the rules and he picks what he wants to do, not what he is paid to do. NO BALLS. He is an elitist who believes he is superior to everyone.

He is another pierce of shit who works for FCPS.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: zs ()
Date: January 26, 2008 08:11AM


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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 08:16AM

zs Wrote:
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> Tistadt works at Eagle View.
>
> http://www.fcps.edu/eagleviewes/staffdirectory2.ht
> m


That is right--thanks. No wonder why the names of the schools are similar causing some confusion :)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SHOCKED ()
Date: January 26, 2008 08:20AM

Hmm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher got all the Crosspointe Crones,
> Barrington B#tches and their henpecked husbands to
> donate $ to various candidates to support an
> unneeded SC MS. That area is the one that is most
> obvious to be redistricted to go to LB to
> alleviate crowding at SC.
>
> If Bradsher was a true Republican, she would be a
> fiscal conservative. She should be concentrating
> on sending Newington Forest LB if Silverbrook is
> essential to the success of SC (as the
> Silverbrookers claim).


Sounds like Bradsher is another political pierce of shit, who paid her way onto the school board and is making all kinds of promises to spend our money in her district.

No ideas, just spend money in a uncontrolled way.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: PROTECTOR ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:02AM

Thomas More Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Another Lurker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > AVENCER Wrote:
> > Ah, but they have managed to make Dave Kori
> serve detention, apparently:
> >
> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1333
> 400 (and a host of others -- > over 130 stories in
> Google News about the incident so far).
>
> Kori did use a cell phone at school during school
> hours which is against school rules.
>
> But the Lake Braddock principal looks extremely
> petty requiring Kori to serve Saturday detention.
>
> How many other kids at Lake Braddock have gotten
> Saturday detention for using a cell phone at
> school.
>
> Usually they just take the phone away and make the
> kids go to the security office to get it at the
> end of the day.
>
> Our kids learn an important lesson here. All
> authority figures are petty and excessively
> controlling and will react to any challenges to
> their authority in a manner that is completely out
> of all proportion to any sense of reason,
> especially if the authority figure is made to look
> foolish in its reaction to your challenge.
>
> Sadly, Kori is quoted in the story saying stuff
> you expect from Eddie Haskell. Guess they've
> intimidated this kid extremely well. Think they
> threatened him with an demerit on his "permanant
> record?"
>
> And the FCPS's foolish flack, Paul Regnier, is not
> accepting telephone calls. . . . from the
> Associated Press?
>
> Isn't that his job?
>
> To speak to the press on behalf of FCPS. Your tax
> dollars at work!


For your information, FCPS has zero tolerance for all students in school, but they have a different policy for officials and employees.

At the end of every SB meeting Dale and the school board render decisions like the KGB on students in FCPS.

NOT FAIR. TALK TO ANY PARENT WHO HAS HAD ZERO TOLERANCE CHARGES AGAINST THEIR CHILD AND THEY WILL TELL YOU IT WAS LIKE BEING ON TRAIL IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.


THE TIME HAS COME TO TAKE AWAY THE CONTROL OF THE FCPS SYSTEM FROM THE SB AND RETURN IT TO THE TAXPAYERS IN FAIRFAX COUNTY.



The following questions beg for answers;

WHY WAS THE PHOTO OF THE AP REMOVED FROM THE CUB RUN WEB SITE AFTER HIS ARREST FOR GROWING POT IN HIS HOME?

WHY WAS HE PLACED ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE AFTER HIS ARREST AND NOT SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY?

IS THERE NO ZERO TOLERANCE FOR FCPS EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY BREAK THE RULES?

WHY ARE FCPS EMPLOYEES TREATED WITH MORE SENSITIVITY THEN FCPS STUDENTS?

YOU NEED TO TREAT YOUR EMPLOYEES THE SAME WAY YOU TREAT YOUR STUDENTS WITH SWIFT AND HARSH PUNISHMENT.

WHO DID HE SELL POT TO? STUDENTS? FELLOW EMPLOYEES?

AS ALWAY, ANSWERS WILL NEVER COME FROM FCPS? WHY NOT TALK ABOUT THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM ON CHANNEL 21 INSTEAD OF ALL OF YOUR PROPAGANDA BULL SHIT?



KORI WILL BE SERVING DETENTION FOR USE OF A SELL PHONE, BUT NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO Mrs. TISTADT WHO WORKS FOR FCPS. SHE WENT OFF ON THE STUDENT AND AS ALWAYS NO CONSEQUENCIES FOR HER ACTION.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: skunk ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:36AM

ILoveNeen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Two facts FoxMill district voted against Stu. His
> only loss.
>
> Arkelian 1033
> Gibson 590
>
> Madison Island Votes in Strauss's district, the
> Island voters vote at Colvin, in that precinct it
> was
>
> 527 for Strauss
>
> 154 for James Madison Write In Candidate
>
> Jane had some other write in votes in other
> precincts but they didnt add up to more than 8.

Not all of your facts are correct. Frying Pan voted against Stu. Fox Mill was not the only precinct. Frying Pan is what has been carved out of Floris. Could it be anymore obvious.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: taxpayer ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:59AM

FCPS has a long tradition of not wanting to hurt important kids futures. Example: some TJ students vandalized in the Annandale area to celebrate pending graduation. No punishment. Jocks caught with pot have sabbaticals at other schools some getting transportation and playing the season. Employees can do whatever they want except get caught.

What would Butler do if an average kid from Glade area was caught with pot? South Lakes might have some good people on staff that you'd trust with your kid.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SCHOOL BOARD INSIDER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:59AM

skunk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ILoveNeen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Two facts FoxMill district voted against Stu.
> His
> > only loss.
> >
> > Arkelian 1033
> > Gibson 590
> >
> > Madison Island Votes in Strauss's district, the
> > Island voters vote at Colvin, in that precinct
> it
> > was
> >
> > 527 for Strauss
> >
> > 154 for James Madison Write In Candidate
> >
> > Jane had some other write in votes in other
> > precincts but they didnt add up to more than 8.
>
> Not all of your facts are correct. Frying Pan
> voted against Stu. Fox Mill was not the only
> precinct. Frying Pan is what has been carved out
> of Floris. Could it be anymore obvious.


You people do not get it, you are going to get F--KED next month. The decisions have been made, the deals between SB members have been made and you will be the loosers.

You need to harass them with emails;

SchoolBoardMembers@fcps.edu
Dean.Tistadt@fcps.edu
Jack.Dale@fcps.edu
chairman@fairfaxcounty.gov

Your up coming meetings with the school board are for show only.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: taxpayer ()
Date: January 26, 2008 11:00AM

If Navy goes to Oakton and increases it's commute so can parts of Silverbrook increase it's commute and go to Lake Braddock. About 80 million in construction costs plus start -up overhead and operating expenses annually.

Add that statement to any boundary tstimony.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: NotSoFast ()
Date: January 26, 2008 11:28AM

School Board Insider says we are going to get F'd next month.

No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont know that these meetings are a farse.

Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay home so the press will say that there is no opposition to the schools plan?

Do you think we are not writing to the every relevant person, ever SB member and Staff member?

Do you think we havent been pursuing every legal and political angle avaiable to us?

For many of us this fight has become a full time job. We have analyzed every piece of data regarding their programs and statistics, their budget issues and their political connections. It all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They know they dont care about it but maybe soon they will. Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.

What a difference a few months has made in our awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to recover from this F up???????

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Stressed Out ()
Date: January 26, 2008 02:18PM

Associated Press : Re Dean Tistadt

"There is a heightened sensitivity on the part of my wife and children, who see the stress I'm under," said Tistadt, who has been making snow-day decisions for nine years, and who also oversees highly controversial school boundary studies"

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 02:31PM

SHOCKED Wrote:
-
> Sounds like Bradsher is another political pierce
> of shit, who paid her way onto the school board
> and is making all kinds of promises to spend our
> money in her district.
>
> No ideas, just spend money in a uncontrolled way.

Isn't that politicians are supposed to do? Get more stuff for their district? Stu finally got South Lakes renovated and is now going to get more students there to help out students and parents in his district.

I'm still not understanding how Bradsher paid her way onto the school board. People gave money to HER campaign for school board. They want a middle school in south county so they made sure to get her on the school board to represent them. What's wrong with representing your constituents? Stu and Liz are both doing that. Janie looks for her Langley constituents. Aren't they supposed to do that? Isn't that why we elect them?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 02:37PM

NotSoFast Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> School Board Insider says we are going to get F'd
> next month.
>
> No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont know
> that these meetings are a farse.
>
> Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> home so the press will say that there is no
> opposition to the schools plan?
>
> Do you think we are not writing to the every
> relevant person, ever SB member and Staff member?
>
> Do you think we havent been pursuing every legal
> and political angle avaiable to us?
>
> For many of us this fight has become a full time
> job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> regarding their programs and statistics, their
> budget issues and their political connections. It
> all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They know
> they dont care about it but maybe soon they will.
> Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
>
> What a difference a few months has made in our
> awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> recover from this F up???????

Wow! Good for you. I hear so much about how organized South Lakes is, meetings with every school board members, signing up for so many speakers slots, letter writing campaigns to SB members and the press, I am glad to see others who are equally involved.

How long will it take FCPS to recover? Probably less time than it will take the Tisdadts to recover. They made the national news yet again today. Redistricting hasn't had nearly the impact that Cindy Tisdadt's phone call has had. Ridiculous, but true.

The school system is huge, a few thousand unhappy people are forgotten quickly. But I wouldn't count on any school board member promoting redistricting in another area anytime soon. No one would want to go through this again.

If you care about what is happening, you must let the school board know and the board of supervisors. Budget time is upon us.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 02:47PM

taxpayer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FCPS has a long tradition of not wanting to hurt
> important kids futures. Example: some TJ students
> vandalized in the Annandale area to celebrate
> pending graduation. No punishment. Jocks caught
> with pot have sabbaticals at other schools some
> getting transportation and playing the season.
> Employees can do whatever they want except get
> caught.
>
> What would Butler do if an average kid from Glade
> area was caught with pot? South Lakes might have
> some good people on staff that you'd trust with
> your kid.

That is not true regarding TJ. I know TJ kids have been expelled and suspended. Don't you remember all the trouble when 3 Asian students and a white student were caught stealing items and selling them on Ebay? And the principal said that Asians were the problem at TJ, with lying and stealing? Those boys were expelled and the principal's comments lead to her resignation. That principal relished in suspending and expelling TJ students to 'prove' that they weren't any better than any other students. The reality is that very smart students who work hard in school do have a lower rate of crime. Common sense would tell you that. Thieves and druggies aren't usually top students working hard for their future. In society we don't have to worry too much about gangs of doctors and lawyers vandalizing our neighborhoods and carjacking us at the mall.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Bulldog Mom ()
Date: January 26, 2008 03:39PM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> SHOCKED Wrote:
> -
> > Sounds like Bradsher is another political
> pierce
> > of shit, who paid her way onto the school board
> > and is making all kinds of promises to spend
> our
> > money in her district.
> >
> > No ideas, just spend money in a uncontrolled
> way.
>
> Isn't that politicians are supposed to do? Get
> more stuff for their district? Stu finally got
> South Lakes renovated and is now going to get more
> students there to help out students and parents in
> his district.
>
> I'm still not understanding how Bradsher paid her
> way onto the school board. People gave money to
> HER campaign for school board. They want a middle
> school in south county so they made sure to get
> her on the school board to represent them. What's
> wrong with representing your constituents? Stu
> and Liz are both doing that. Janie looks for her
> Langley constituents. Aren't they supposed to do
> that? Isn't that why we elect them?

Stu is definitely NOT representing all of his district. Just ask the people in the Floris/Fox Mill area that he is also supposed to represent.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: January 26, 2008 04:15PM

Neen Wrote:
> ... Stu finally got
> South Lakes renovated and is now going to get more
> students there to help out students and parents in
> his district.
>
> I'm still not understanding how Bradsher paid her
> way onto the school board. People gave money to
> HER campaign for school board. They want a middle
> school in south county so they made sure to get
> her on the school board to represent them. What's
> wrong with representing your constituents? Stu
> and Liz are both doing that. Janie looks for her
> Langley constituents. Aren't they supposed to do
> that? Isn't that why we elect them?

Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.

When South County was built, EVERY school renovation project in the county including SOUTH LAKES WAS DELAYED an average of two years to pay for it. If a currently unnecessary middle school is built now, it jumps to the head of the CIP funding line. Every upcoming renovation, including Lake Anne, Clifton, Longfellow, Marshall, and Jefferson, are more than likely going to be delayed again by another couple of years.

Factor One: Finance. The County Board of Supervisors is quite justifiably concerned about the County's bond rating. Higher rated bonds are considered more safe investments and therefore pay less interest. The Supervisors therefore place a limit on how much bond money may be spent each year. New construction and renovation come under this same bond cap and all renovation and construction projects thus compete for the same limited pot of money.

Factor Two: Policy. Part of the justification giving for the South Lakes redistricting was a newly rediscovered policy that high schools should have about 2,000 students. Since FCPS school buildings are different sizes, enrollment goals would probably vary a bit, say 1700 to 2300. It would therefore be "wrong" even to consider taking a secondary school built for 1700 high school students and 800 middle school students and converting it to a large high school.

Factor Three: The CIP indicates indicate plenty of secondary school space in schools adjacent to South County. Per page 9 of the CIP, county-wide "Middle school capacity will exceed enrollment by 2,014 student spaces in the 2008-2009 school year. This capacity surplus will increase to approximately 2,146 middle school student spaces in the 2012-13 school year. High school capacity will exceed enrollment by approximately 3,107 student spaces in the 2008-09 school year. Projections indicate high school capacity will exceed membership by 4,058 student spaces in the 2012-13 school year."

Factor Four: Growth. The southern part of the county will soon see an increase in jobs because of functions being relocated to Fort Belvoir. Children of military living on base generally attend Fort Belvoir Elementary and Mt Vernon High. It is unknown how many employees whose jobs shift from, for example, Crystal City will stay in their current houses. Nor is it known how many who do move their housing locations will move into the South County attendance area. Perhaps in the future another middle school building will be needed, but no need to rush into it now.

Liz Bradsher is welcome to advocate for her constituents who want a new but unneeded middle schools. The rest of OUR school board members should be looking out for OUR interests and vote against it.

The topic of this thread is high school redistricting. EVERYONE who speaks for or against the South Lakes redistricting might also state he or she supports boundary changes in South County instead of another new school.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 04:15PM

Bulldog Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SHOCKED Wrote:
> > -
> > > Sounds like Bradsher is another political
> > pierce
> > > of shit, who paid her way onto the school
> board
> > > and is making all kinds of promises to spend
> > our
> > > money in her district.
> > >
> > > No ideas, just spend money in a uncontrolled
> > way.
> >
> > Isn't that politicians are supposed to do? Get
> > more stuff for their district? Stu finally got
> > South Lakes renovated and is now going to get
> more
> > students there to help out students and parents
> in
> > his district.
> >
> > I'm still not understanding how Bradsher paid
> her
> > way onto the school board. People gave money
> to
> > HER campaign for school board. They want a
> middle
> > school in south county so they made sure to get
> > her on the school board to represent them.
> What's
> > wrong with representing your constituents? Stu
> > and Liz are both doing that. Janie looks for
> her
> > Langley constituents. Aren't they supposed to
> do
> > that? Isn't that why we elect them?
>
> Stu is definitely NOT representing all of his
> district. Just ask the people in the Floris/Fox
> Mill area that he is also supposed to represent.


Right I agree--from what I understand, Stu has met with Floris and Fox Mill residents and the meetings turned out ugly and yet he did not seem to care and proceeded to talk to his SL supporters and carved these communities in to their school. It is like where was the right for everybody being forced to go there? It is too bad they thought redistricting was the ultimate solution to solve SL's issues when there could have been other options to how to utilize SL without disrupting these families in these communities. You should see HHS's website about the boundary changes--I am not sure if I want to look at Langley's website if they had any boundary information up. But, SL's oh my goshh. Say, about these SBs..I am wondering do you think that maybe Strauss was bribed by her Langley constituents to keep Langley out? I mean we are not dumb, this whole process is really screwed up and unfair. Will the SL community have heart and say let's put the RD on hold and make it right with these communities? I guess not because of the way they have been behaving like zealots.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Cricket ()
Date: January 26, 2008 04:48PM

NotSoFast Wrote:
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> School Board Insider says we are going to get F'd
> next month.
>
> No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont know
> that these meetings are a farse.
>
> Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> home so the press will say that there is no
> opposition to the schools plan?
>
> Do you think we are not writing to the every
> relevant person, ever SB member and Staff member?
>
> Do you think we havent been pursuing every legal
> and political angle avaiable to us?
>
> For many of us this fight has become a full time
> job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> regarding their programs and statistics, their
> budget issues and their political connections. It
> all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They know
> they dont care about it but maybe soon they will.
> Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
>
> What a difference a few months has made in our
> awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> recover from this F up???????

Hip Hip Hooray. I still have my "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" que-ed in my ipod.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENGER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 05:59PM

NotSoFast Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> School Board Insider says we are going to get F'd
> next month.
>
> No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont know
> that these meetings are a farse.
>
> Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> home so the press will say that there is no
> opposition to the schools plan?
>
> Do you think we are not writing to the every
> relevant person, ever SB member and Staff member?
>
> Do you think we havent been pursuing every legal
> and political angle avaiable to us?
>
> For many of us this fight has become a full time
> job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> regarding their programs and statistics, their
> budget issues and their political connections. It
> all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They know
> they dont care about it but maybe soon they will.
> Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
>
> What a difference a few months has made in our
> awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> recover from this F up???????


The boundary decisions should have been made before their elections. The SB out FOXED YOU ALL.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENGER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 06:22PM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> NotSoFast Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board Insider says we are going to get
> F'd
> > next month.
> >
> > No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont
> know
> > that these meetings are a farse.
> >
> > Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> > home so the press will say that there is no
> > opposition to the schools plan?
> >
> > Do you think we are not writing to the every
> > relevant person, ever SB member and Staff
> member?
> >
> > Do you think we havent been pursuing every
> legal
> > and political angle avaiable to us?
> >
> > For many of us this fight has become a full
> time
> > job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> > regarding their programs and statistics, their
> > budget issues and their political connections.
> It
> > all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They
> know
> > they dont care about it but maybe soon they
> will.
> > Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> > F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
> >
> > What a difference a few months has made in our
> > awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> > recover from this F up???????
>
> Wow! Good for you. I hear so much about how
> organized South Lakes is, meetings with every
> school board members, signing up for so many
> speakers slots, letter writing campaigns to SB
> members and the press, I am glad to see others who
> are equally involved.
>
> How long will it take FCPS to recover? Probably
> less time than it will take the Tisdadts to
> recover. They made the national news yet again
> today. Redistricting hasn't had nearly the impact
> that Cindy Tisdadt's phone call has had.
> Ridiculous, but true.
>
> The school system is huge, a few thousand unhappy
> people are forgotten quickly. But I wouldn't
> count on any school board member promoting
> redistricting in another area anytime soon. No
> one would want to go through this again.
>
> If you care about what is happening, you must let
> the school board know and the board of
> supervisors. Budget time is upon us.


FYI Tistadt said at the last SB meeting that a boundary study would have to be performed in the South County area this fall because SCSS is so over capacity.

No money,need a middle school, maybe in four years.

The SB has f--ked up SCSS,LBHS,LEE,HAYFIELD and WSHS THAT IT COULD NOT GET ANY WORSE.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: GOP ()
Date: January 26, 2008 07:25PM

No new middle school. Use the space at Lake Braddock for the South County overflow!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENGER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 07:29PM

AVENGER Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> NotSoFast Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board Insider says we are going to get
> F'd
> > next month.
> >
> > No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont
> know
> > that these meetings are a farse.
> >
> > Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> > home so the press will say that there is no
> > opposition to the schools plan?
> >
> > Do you think we are not writing to the every
> > relevant person, ever SB member and Staff
> member?
> >
> > Do you think we havent been pursuing every
> legal
> > and political angle avaiable to us?
> >
> > For many of us this fight has become a full
> time
> > job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> > regarding their programs and statistics, their
> > budget issues and their political connections.
> It
> > all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They
> know
> > they dont care about it but maybe soon they
> will.
> > Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> > F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
> >
> > What a difference a few months has made in our
> > awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> > recover from this F up???????
>
>
> The boundary decisions should have been made
> before their elections. The SB out FOXED YOU ALL.

THINGS YOU MUST DO.


You will get F--KED on 1/30, 1/31 and 2/9.

The SB will give you 3 minutes to speak and that process plays into their hands.

You are not even united against the SB, rather the SB has DIVIDED schools, STUDENTS and parents against one another.

WRONG,Go in united and beat the shit out of the school board. Do not have so many speakers, less speakers with pure facts. Give time to one speaker in order for that person to make a clear case. Each speaker should speak to only one subject and be an expert ON that subject. Have handouts for all who attend and the SB.

Gt as much media coverage as you can get. Take adds out in papers before the meetings and have large crowds outside the school and in the halls.

Keep the pressure on.

You need to point out where the SB has failed to do their job for all of the students in fcps.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 07:32PM

AVENGER Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> NotSoFast Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > School Board Insider says we are going to get
> F'd
> > next month.
> >
> > No kidding? Look it is not as though we dont
> know
> > that these meetings are a farse.
> >
> > Come on! What choice do we have, should we stay
> > home so the press will say that there is no
> > opposition to the schools plan?
> >
> > Do you think we are not writing to the every
> > relevant person, ever SB member and Staff
> member?
> >
> > Do you think we havent been pursuing every
> legal
> > and political angle avaiable to us?
> >
> > For many of us this fight has become a full
> time
> > job. We have analyzed every piece of data
> > regarding their programs and statistics, their
> > budget issues and their political connections.
> It
> > all is about as F..Ked up as it can be. They
> know
> > they dont care about it but maybe soon they
> will.
> > Maybe just maybe we wont be the ones who get
> > F..Ked by this maybe it will be them.
> >
> > What a difference a few months has made in our
> > awareness level. How long will it take FCPS to
> > recover from this F up???????
>
>
> The boundary decisions should have been made
> before their elections. The SB out FOXED YOU ALL.


From what I understand, historically boundary decisions/studies have been made before the elections. Is this correct? This process was illegal and corrupted-most people involved in this RD knows that.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENGER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 07:34PM

GOP Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> No new middle school. Use the space at Lake
> Braddock for the South County overflow!


Need to get a petition going from residences in FCPS that will stop the south county middle school.

After the SB F--ks you with their boundary decision in western fairfax county, start the petition. NO NEW SCHOOLS ANYWHERE.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:35PM

Baffled Wrote:

> Right I agree--from what I understand, Stu has met
> with Floris and Fox Mill residents and the
> meetings turned out ugly and yet he did not seem
> to care and proceeded to talk to his SL supporters
> and carved these communities in to their school.
> It is like where was the right for everybody being
> forced to go there? It is too bad they thought
> redistricting was the ultimate solution to solve
> SL's issues when there could have been other
> options to how to utilize SL without disrupting
> these families in these communities. You should
> see HHS's website about the boundary changes--I am
> not sure if I want to look at Langley's website if
> they had any boundary information up. But, SL's oh
> my goshh. Say, about these SBs..I am wondering do
> you think that maybe Strauss was bribed by her
> Langley constituents to keep Langley out? I mean
> we are not dumb, this whole process is really
> screwed up and unfair. Will the SL community have
> heart and say let's put the RD on hold and make it
> right with these communities? I guess not because
> of the way they have been behaving like zealots.

No, I do NOT think that Janie was bribed by anyone, EVER. First, there was NO reason for anyone to bribe her. Second, she would NEVER take a bribe. Third, Janie has NO need for money. It's really wrong for anyone to think that she was was offered a bribe to keep Langley out of this. She would naturally do that. She would naturally represent her district and keep them out of South Lakes because they wouldn't want to go there. Plus, there isn't really any reason to take students out of Langley. With their new addition, there won't be any over crowding. The addition was approved in 2005 by the voters. If they thought that was wrong, and those students should have been sent to Langley, they had their chance to express that back in 2005 with their vote.

Do I think that Janie made a deal with Stu? yes. The exact details of that deal I do not know, other than the obvious, the Island could go to South Lakes, but no one from Langley. Janie represents her district very well.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:39PM

>>>From what I understand, historically boundary decisions/studies have been made before the elections. Is this correct? This process was illegal and corrupted-most people involved in this RD knows that.<<<

Nope. Boundary hearings generally start in October. Because of the election this year they were pushed back until later in November and December. That's not illegal. The school board can set their own time table and do whatever they want.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:40PM

AVENGER Wrote:
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> GOP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No new middle school. Use the space at Lake
> > Braddock for the South County overflow!
>
>
> Need to get a petition going from residences in
> FCPS that will stop the south county middle
> school.
>
> After the SB F--ks you with their boundary
> decision in western fairfax county, start the
> petition. NO NEW SCHOOLS ANYWHERE.

Don't voters have to approve a bond to get any new school built? What was on the school bonds that passed in November?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:45PM

>>>The boundary decisions should have been made before their elections. The SB out FOXED YOU ALL.<<<

Didn't everyone know that when they voted? Didn't everyone know that the redistricting was coming and what areas were involved? The SB can do whatever they want. Voters had their chance in November.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:49PM

>>>Need to get a petition going from residences in FCPS that will stop the south county middle school.<<<

You mean like the petition to stop redistricting?

http://www.petitiononline.com/stopRD/petition.html

That made ZERO difference to the school board.

Why would the SB care about ANY petition, or what any voter wants? Their jobs are secure for another 4 years.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: AVENGER ()
Date: January 26, 2008 09:57PM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >>>From what I understand, historically boundary
> decisions/studies have been made before the
> elections. Is this correct? This process was
> illegal and corrupted-most people involved in this
> RD knows that.<<<
>
> Nope. Boundary hearings generally start in
> October. Because of the election this year they
> were pushed back until later in November and
> December. That's not illegal. The school board
> can set their own time table and do whatever they
> want.


YOU GUYS NEED TO WAKE UP.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES WHATEVER THEY WANT, THEN YOU SHOULD GIVE UP YOUR FIGHT NOW, YOU SHOULD NOT SHOW UP AT ANY MEETING BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP ALREADY AND JUST GO OFF INTO THE NIGHT LIKE A BUNCH OF WIMPS.NEEN YOU NEED TO LEAD,YOU NEED TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, YOU NEED TO BE STRONG AND YOU NEED TO BE DEFIANT.

THE SB WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE OF FAIRFAX COUNTY, MAKE THEM WORK FOR THEM.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 10:31PM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >>>From what I understand, historically boundary
> decisions/studies have been made before the
> elections. Is this correct? This process was
> illegal and corrupted-most people involved in this
> RD knows that.<<<
>
> Nope. Boundary hearings generally start in
> October. Because of the election this year they
> were pushed back until later in November and
> December. That's not illegal. The school board
> can set their own time table and do whatever they
> want.


I meant with the way the boundary study process was carried out, not the election itself, for example, Langley should have been included. Yes, the sb can do whatever they want and yet do not care about how we feel about about the redistricting mess. They just do whatever they want like you said, right?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 26, 2008 10:44PM

Neen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Baffled Wrote:
>
> > Right I agree--from what I understand, Stu has
> met
> > with Floris and Fox Mill residents and the
> > meetings turned out ugly and yet he did not
> seem
> > to care and proceeded to talk to his SL
> supporters
> > and carved these communities in to their school.
>
> > It is like where was the right for everybody
> being
> > forced to go there? It is too bad they
> thought
> > redistricting was the ultimate solution to
> solve
> > SL's issues when there could have been other
> > options to how to utilize SL without disrupting
> > these families in these communities. You
> should
> > see HHS's website about the boundary changes--I
> am
> > not sure if I want to look at Langley's website
> if
> > they had any boundary information up. But, SL's
> oh
> > my goshh. Say, about these SBs..I am wondering
> do
> > you think that maybe Strauss was bribed by her
> > Langley constituents to keep Langley out? I
> mean
> > we are not dumb, this whole process is really
> > screwed up and unfair. Will the SL community
> have
> > heart and say let's put the RD on hold and make
> it
> > right with these communities? I guess not
> because
> > of the way they have been behaving like
> zealots.
>
> No, I do NOT think that Janie was bribed by
> anyone, EVER. First, there was NO reason for
> anyone to bribe her. Second, she would NEVER take
> a bribe. Third, Janie has NO need for money.
> It's really wrong for anyone to think that she was
> was offered a bribe to keep Langley out of this.
> She would naturally do that. She would naturally
> represent her district and keep them out of South
> Lakes because they wouldn't want to go there.
> Plus, there isn't really any reason to take
> students out of Langley. With their new addition,
> there won't be any over crowding. The addition
> was approved in 2005 by the voters. If they
> thought that was wrong, and those students should
> have been sent to Langley, they had their chance
> to express that back in 2005 with their vote.
>
> Do I think that Janie made a deal with Stu? yes.
> The exact details of that deal I do not know,
> other than the obvious, the Island could go to
> South Lakes, but no one from Langley. Janie
> represents her district very well.


Ok, good because of the way some of the sb members have been behaving and the boundary study being all corrupted..I do not know very much about Strauss but it has been odd all along about how Langley has been left out from the whole study. I keep hearing different stories about why Langley was left out. Strauss certainly does represent her constituents very well then. Stu could take some good lessons from her for not representing Floris/Fox Mill very well.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth ()
Date: January 26, 2008 11:33PM

Stop whining, Baffled. Langley was protected, and so was Madison, Neen's district, because of politics. If Stu had included Madison, he would have lost his election, because he would have been voted out by every district not wanting to move to South Lakes. Neen, who is very astute politically, knows this. She is playing you because she knows she is safe, and it's thanks to Stu. She pretends to hate him, but she is really grateful.

I wouldn't listen to her lip service, if I were you.

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Meade Skeleton supports high school redistricting
Posted by: SRE ()
Date: January 26, 2008 11:45PM

subject says it all!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: saxon ()
Date: January 27, 2008 12:35AM

Baffled Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, good because of the way some of the sb members
> have been behaving and the boundary study being
> all corrupted..I do not know very much about
> Strauss but it has been odd all along about how
> Langley has been left out from the whole study. I
> keep hearing different stories about why Langley
> was left out. Strauss certainly does represent her
> constituents very well then. Stu could take some
> good lessons from her for not representing
> Floris/Fox Mill very well.

No, you're worse than baffled, you're clueless.

It is NOT in any way "odd" that Langley was left out of this!

Langley WILL NOT HAVE IT'S BOUNDARIES ALTERED...PERIOD! We have the wherewithall to prevent it. We are very sorry that you don't. You should have worked harder and achieved what we have.

I'm very sorry that your child-like emotions about "fairness" have been dashed.

Let me put it in terms that might be more understandable to you. Langley is the New England Patriots (17-0) and the RD schools are the Miami Dolphins (1-11). See?

GO PATS!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth ()
Date: January 27, 2008 12:51AM

Ok, I just re-read my post and can see how I might have sounded like a pompous ass. Fact is, I'm afraid of Neen and I was just trying to diminish her in the eyes of Baffled, and hopefully, in the eyes of all who read this thread. I'm just doing my job. Sorry.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: coffin ()
Date: January 27, 2008 01:09AM

How come you genius motherfuckers don't run for the school board?

All you have to do is convince 20,000 or so folks that what's best for your little darling(s) is equally grand for their little darling(s).

Or is it easier to just bitch and whine?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth Fu-reah ()
Date: January 27, 2008 01:26AM

Neen, is that you pretending to be me? I nailed you and you don't like it. Live by the politics, die by the politics. Besides, you have already diminished yourself in so many ways. You didn't need me or anyone else to do it for you.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 27, 2008 01:57AM

Dirty Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stop whining, Baffled. Langley was protected, and
> so was Madison, Neen's district, because of
> politics. If Stu had included Madison, he would
> have lost his election, because he would have been
> voted out by every district not wanting to move to
> South Lakes. Neen, who is very astute politically,
> knows this. She is playing you because she knows
> she is safe, and it's thanks to Stu. She pretends
> to hate him, but she is really grateful.
>
> I wouldn't listen to her lip service, if I were
> you.

Wrong again. The part of Madison that is close to South Lakes, up Vale Road, is not in Stu's district. It's Sully district. I have no idea why it wasn't included in this boundary change. I was very surprised that it wasn't included. I guess Kathy Smith didn't want it included. It would have cost her votes, but not Stu.

Everyone knows that no one in the town of Vienna would be asked to leave Madison, because Vienna pols would have a fit. It wouldn't work politically. But Oakton, and Sully district, I don't think most folks at Madison would care if they were sent to South Lakes. I could be wrong, but it's hard to argue that homes within two miles of South Lakes should travel all the way to Thoreau and Madison. Since I live nowhere near South Lakes, I have nothing to be grateful to Stu for, but I have no reason to hate him either.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth ()
Date: January 27, 2008 02:06AM

Once again, I am shocked by my impulsive mouth. I'm an idiot.

Here's the thing. I'm a man. Neen's a woman. It really pisses me off that she has no fear of me. She has no fear of anyone. So, I, therefore, must resort to popping in here and insulting her.

I'm just a wimpy guy with a bad comb over, working for Fairfax County.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Floris Parent ()
Date: January 27, 2008 02:16AM

For everyone who has posted on this Forum, Let us all agree on at least one thing,
The process in which this Bounday Study has been conducted is flawed. The issues of overcrowding at Westfield and Chantilly are not legitimate reasons for conducting this study. The fact that South Lakes HS is lacking students is a direct result of the very peculiar boundaries that have been established by our School Board. When the School Board decided to allow the families that reside in North Reston to attend either Herndon or Langley, the die was cast for South Lakes to fail. You cannnot take the most prosperous areas out of the legitimate South Lakes feeder comunities, and expect South lakes HS to excel. The PTSA's in Herndon HS as well as Langley should be ashamed!

I understand politics, and yet it I feel that is a sin, that our elected SB members are willing to try to fix a problem at South Lakes HS, at the expense of established commuitiesthat have already been used for the "betterment" of the SB's vision of growth in the Western Fairfax County area.

Have any of of our "Elected School Board Members" examined the true reasons as to why South Lakes HS is under-enrolled? Are they not aware of the fact that the underenrollment of South Lakes is a result of a dramatic " White Flight" that has occured over the last 10 years?

It has been, said that the population of Reston is aging, and that this is the reason that South lakes HS is underenrolled. Is it possible that only the caucasian households are aging? When you examine the last 10 years of enrollment statistics for South Lakes, you will see that all races of students have remained either stable, or have increased, with the exception of one catagory of race, which is Caucasian. South Lakes has lost over 500 Caucasian students over the last ten years. Where did these students go? Is it a possibility that all of these students graduated from SL, and that their parents then moved to other communities?

Can we not agree that there are issues at South Lakes HS, that have contributed to a declining enrollment, that are not related to "overcrowding " at other schools, or as some people who support this RD have stated, "bigotry or elitism"?

It is ironic, that there are several High Schools in Fairfax County that have much higher levels of FRM and ESOL students, as wel as lower enrollment numbers, and yet our elected SB members feel that a "County Wide study is either "to much stress on the Staff", or as Mrs. Strauss, said, " she would not support a County wide Bounday Study, because of changes that occured after a 1980's boundary studywhers undone.

There are so many reasons why this Boundary Study must be halted. I know that if the SL parents and supporters think about it, you will realize that the current plan to send a part of Floris ES and all of Fox Mill ES to your school will not solve the enrollment issues that have plagued South Lakes for many years.

If we are going to address the South Lakes enrollment and other issues, and exclude the rest of our Fairfax County Schools that are dealing with much largrer issues, can we really justify this attetion that has been given to South Lakes?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth ()
Date: January 27, 2008 02:17AM

I have just fallen head first into my Fairfax County School Board talking points. I'm ruined. I'm dirty. I'm so ashamed.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Dirty Truth ()
Date: January 27, 2008 02:20AM

Correction:


The part about being ashamed. Well, I'm not. Just another lie.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: saxon ()
Date: January 27, 2008 03:00AM

Hey, why am I in hand cuffs? I'm not with with Dirty Truth.

Let me go. POLICE BRUTALITY..... HELP

I NEED TO CALL MY LAWYER.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: coffin ()
Date: January 27, 2008 03:11AM

As you can probably tell, I've already picked out my coffn. It's real nice.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: COP ()
Date: January 27, 2008 03:27AM

Ok, boys, this week's round up is over.

Same crap, just different names.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: GIBSON ()
Date: January 27, 2008 08:14AM

THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN FCPS.

What are you going to do about the racial and economic imbalances in the following schools?

The bottom 9 schools (South Lakes, West Pot, Hayfield, Edison, Lee, Falls Church, Mt Vernon, Annandale and Stuart) have the following averages:

36% White, 19% Black and 24% Latino.

The racial breakdown among all FCPS students is as follows:

White 50.2%
Asian 17.40%
Black 10.80%
Latino 16.00%
Other 4.90%

You need to do more than just redistrict some schools, because you are just scratching the surface of the racial imbalances in FCPS. Your goal should be that you schools reflect the county's demographics.

The top 8 schools (Madison, Langley, Oakton, Robinson, McLean,Woodson, Chantilly and Westfield have the following averages:

White 66%
Black 4.76%
Latino 7%

So these schools have half the FCPS proportion of Blacks students and less than half the proportion of Latino students.

Do we have segregated schools in FCPS? Are schools made up of the haves and the have not?

The key question is who allowed this to happen and what are you going to do about bringing racial balance to the entire FCPS system?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: STORCK ()
Date: January 27, 2008 08:24AM

THIS IS HOW WE SCREWED UP FCPS.



In review of the current boundaries of the following schools there are significant enrollment and capacity imbalances.

Westfield OVER CAPACITY
Chantilly OVER CAPACITY
Herndon UNDER CAPACITY
Oakton OVER CAPACITY
Madison OVER CAPACITY

South Lakes UNDER CAPACITY BY ALMOST 800 STUDENTS

Why have the SAT scores at South Lakes dropped over the last four years with less students?

How did we let these capacity and imbalance problems take place? Were we not watching the store? We failed to make adjustments in order to insure that all students are treated in a fair way and that they all receive the same services?

As we start our meetings with the public we need to make decisions that adjust boundary lines for the present and the future.

We have serious problems that have to be addressed by serious people who want to make the right decisions for all students in the FCPS system.

I believe we have lots of parents who are very upset with what we have failed to do and what we may do. I hope we make the right decisions for the students.

We better have answers for the parents at the upcoming West County Boundary meetings, because they are going to be very CONTENTIOUS.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: BRADSHER ()
Date: January 27, 2008 08:29AM

HOW WE Fucked up.



Please tell me how after so many meetings regarding the set up of the boundary lines for South County HS, we now have significant enrollment and capacity imbalances at Lake Braddock, Lee, Hayfield and SCHS.

Lake Braddock UNDER CAPACITY
Lee UNDER CAPACITY
Hayfield UNDER CAPACITY

South County OVER CAPACITY

The big question is why did we allow this to happen? POLITICAL PRESSURE, MISMANAGEMENT.

The above are serious problems that need to be fixed. When will we address these problems and when will we fix the capacity/imbalances
problems so that all students are treated in a fair way.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: DALE ()
Date: January 27, 2008 08:35AM

HOW WE F--KED UP.

TO

D. Storck and the entire SB

Why are South Lakes SAT scores at a 4- year low?

Why have they fallen from 1092 in 2003 to 1048 in 2006?

Why have four of the six elementary schools that feed South Lakes not able to meet Annual Yearly Progress (AYP) under No Child Left Behind (NCLB) last year?

Why at Lake Anne ES, only 40 percent of 3rd grade disadvantaged students were able to pass the English SOL test?

Why at Hunters Woods, only 62 percent of 3rd grade disadvantaged students were able to pass the English SOL test?

Who has dropped the ball, the the School Board?

Your job is to ensure that all schools meet NCLB Annual Yearly Progress under No Child Left Behind. We need to have a zero tolerance standard for failure by schools under NCLB like we have for students who fail to follow our rules.

We take the money from the Federal Government, so we need to do the job.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: DALE ()
Date: January 27, 2008 08:41AM

THIS IS OUR PROBLEM.

TO

THE ENTIRE SB

Based upon the story by Michael Alison Chandler which was in the Washington Post regarding the problems at the South Lakes HS the following questions need to be asked.

1. Is DISCRIMINATION alive and well in FCPS?

2. Is the FCPS system Discriminating against the MINORITY students at South Lakes HS and other FCPS?

3. Based upon my experience with the FCPS system at meetings it is apparent to me that there are very little MINORITIES that make up the senior staff at school board sessions and staff that I meet with regarding FCPS issues/problem.

4. What is the make up of our various staffs?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: STORCK ()
Date: January 27, 2008 09:29AM

To the Superintendent of FCPS,

What you have failed to do;

Has not improved the grades of no child left behind. Minority report card.

Has not eliminated abuse of student players.

Has permitted the posting of students grades, which is a violation of FERPA rules.

Has not reduced the on going conflicts of interest by FCPS employees.

Has failed to show cost savings for new FCPS office building.

Has failed to manage and control FCPS sport programs.

Has failed to maintain safety in school weight rooms.

Has failed to reduce the number of portable trailers.

Has failed to control the use of portable trailers with inspections and air quality checks.

Has failed to take action against FCPS employees who break the rules.

Has failed to control FCA activities in FCPS. ACLU violation.

Has not managed taxpayers money properly.

Has not reduced the drop out rate in FCPS.

Has not reduced DISCRIMINATION in FCPS.

Has not improved SAT scores in all FCPS.

Has allowed out of controlled boundary meetings with more to come.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: $ ()
Date: January 27, 2008 09:30AM

Boundary changes or additions or porky education programs versus fixing FX county capital improvement needs like the Herndon park and ride garage? A faulty building v a new South County Middle school and paying $ to bus Herndon -Reston to Langley? How about full day kindergarten at schoolsserving wealthy neighborhoods? It allcomes out of $ I pay to this county.


By Bill Turque
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 27, 2008; Page C01

Signs of trouble with the Herndon-Monroe park-and-ride garage surfaced long before the first commuter's car rolled into the $20 million facility off the Dulles Toll Road that Fairfax County opened in 1999.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 27, 2008 09:36AM

Floris Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> For everyone who has posted on this Forum, Let us
> all agree on at least one thing,
> The process in which this Bounday Study has been
> conducted is flawed. The issues of overcrowding at
> Westfield and Chantilly are not legitimate reasons
> for conducting this study. The fact that South
> Lakes HS is lacking students is a direct result of
> the very peculiar boundaries that have been
> established by our School Board. When the School
> Board decided to allow the families that reside in
> North Reston to attend either Herndon or Langley,
> the die was cast for South Lakes to fail. You
> cannnot take the most prosperous areas out of the
> legitimate South Lakes feeder comunities, and
> expect South lakes HS to excel. The PTSA's in
> Herndon HS as well as Langley should be ashamed!
>
> I understand politics, and yet it I feel that is a
> sin, that our elected SB members are willing to
> try to fix a problem at South Lakes HS, at the
> expense of established commuitiesthat have already
> been used for the "betterment" of the SB's vision
> of growth in the Western Fairfax County area.
>
> Have any of of our "Elected School Board Members"
> examined the true reasons as to why South Lakes HS
> is under-enrolled? Are they not aware of the fact
> that the underenrollment of South Lakes is a
> result of a dramatic " White Flight" that has
> occured over the last 10 years?
>
> It has been, said that the population of Reston is
> aging, and that this is the reason that South
> lakes HS is underenrolled. Is it possible that
> only the caucasian households are aging? When you
> examine the last 10 years of enrollment statistics
> for South Lakes, you will see that all races of
> students have remained either stable, or have
> increased, with the exception of one catagory of
> race, which is Caucasian. South Lakes has lost
> over 500 Caucasian students over the last ten
> years. Where did these students go? Is it a
> possibility that all of these students graduated
> from SL, and that their parents then moved to
> other communities?
>
> Can we not agree that there are issues at South
> Lakes HS, that have contributed to a declining
> enrollment, that are not related to "overcrowding
> " at other schools, or as some people who support
> this RD have stated, "bigotry or elitism"?
>
> It is ironic, that there are several High Schools
> in Fairfax County that have much higher levels of
> FRM and ESOL students, as wel as lower enrollment
> numbers, and yet our elected SB members feel that
> a "County Wide study is either "to much stress on
> the Staff", or as Mrs. Strauss, said, " she would
> not support a County wide Bounday Study, because
> of changes that occured after a 1980's boundary
> studywhers undone.
>
> There are so many reasons why this Boundary Study
> must be halted. I know that if the SL parents and
> supporters think about it, you will realize that
> the current plan to send a part of Floris ES and
> all of Fox Mill ES to your school will not solve
> the enrollment issues that have plagued South
> Lakes for many years.
>
> If we are going to address the South Lakes
> enrollment and other issues, and exclude the rest
> of our Fairfax County Schools that are dealing
> with much largrer issues, can we really justify
> this attetion that has been given to South Lakes?


I agree with Floris Parent. Again, I have mentioned that in my opinion, it depends on how well the teachers teach the students, parents being involved, the staff, the students themselves to apply themselves to education, the whole "village" to make a high school, large or small a successful one, Some of the posts mentioned low SAT and SOL test scores. How will taking more kids to a school help improve the SAT scores or the SOL scores? This RD should be halted until we put everything out on the table regarding the underlying issues of SL and hopefully there will be a solution to solve the issues. Redistricting should be an absolute last resort after any new measures come up to solve these underlying issues..if they do not work. I am not sure why there is a higher percentage of Caucasians compared with other races in most high schools, if demographics is critical, then how do the SB know who lives in each community? Is it difficult to determine who actually lives in a community before deciding ok this community should go to this high school and that community should go to that high school, etc. Hmm what is the race percentage for the people on the SB?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: STORCK ()
Date: January 27, 2008 09:57AM

Since no one wants to go to SL, why not close it down and convert it to another FCPS office building. Then we could divide the SL students up and bus them to all the schools within a fifteen mile area who indicate that they are not over capacity.

Sounds faif

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Why Langley? ()
Date: January 27, 2008 10:36AM

Baffled Wrote:
> for
> example, Langley should have been included. Yes,
> the sb can do whatever they want and yet do not
> care about how we feel about about the
> redistricting mess. They just do whatever they
> want like you said, right?


They do what they think the is best for all of the students in the County, and balance the needs of the many against the wants of the few.

Why should Langley have been included? Their addition was approved in 2005, and wasn't on the table.

How could Langley have helped Chantilly and Westfield overenrollment AND South Lakes underenrollment?

Even if Langley's borders were looked at, they would have sent kids to Herndon before South Lakes.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Reston Parent ()
Date: January 27, 2008 10:55AM

You have your facts wrong. Between 1987 to 1997 there had been steady decline of White kids in SL, roughly 500 students. Between 1997 to 2001 the number of White students had been exactly the same at 967 to be precise. 20 years ago how many Latinos and Asians in the county? Not as many as today. That's why only Whites age ... because there wasn't that many Latinos and Asians before.

I am not questioning there have been White students pupil placed out of SL. But the number is not that big as you think. The fact the matter is SL has been uner enrolled for more than 10 years. The RD is long over due. Simply put the current boundary of SL just doesn't have enough children to support a school with an optimized 2000 population.


Floris Parent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It has been, said that the population of Reston is
> aging, and that this is the reason that South
> lakes HS is underenrolled. Is it possible that
> only the caucasian households are aging? When you
> examine the last 10 years of enrollment statistics
> for South Lakes, you will see that all races of
> students have remained either stable, or have
> increased, with the exception of one catagory of
> race, which is Caucasian. South Lakes has lost
> over 500 Caucasian students over the last ten
> years. Where did these students go? Is it a
> possibility that all of these students graduated
> from SL, and that their parents then moved to
> other communities?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: lerch ()
Date: January 27, 2008 11:22AM

I live in Centreville. If we continue to live here my preschoolers will go to Deer Park, Stone MS, and finally Westfields HS. Any thoughts about thoughts about this pyramid?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Oakton Parent ()
Date: January 27, 2008 11:26AM

Someone posting as Why Langley, perhaps Stu or Janie, asks:

"Why should Langley have been included? Their addition was approved in 2005, and wasn't on the table."

The addition wasn't needed, since South Lakes is next door and has capacity.

"How could Langley have helped Chantilly and Westfield overenrollment AND South Lakes underenrollment?"

The issues are separate. It could certainly help South Lakes underenrollment. Chantilly and Westfield are large, but within three years, their percentage utilization will be below that of Langley, Madison, and (assuming redistricting) South Lakes. We're just moving unused classrooms from South Lakes to Westfield.

"Even if Langley's borders were looked at, they would have sent kids to Herndon before South Lakes."

That's fine...so the North Reston schools can send students to South Lakes. Problem solved.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: taxpayer ()
Date: January 27, 2008 11:38AM

Why Langley? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They do what they think the is best for all of the
> students in the County, and balance the needs of
> the many against the wants of the few...

Part of Forestville used to go to Herndon and could be there now saving about 12 miles each way in transporation time and expense. That frees up morebusses for other routes. Late bussing is more efficient and I guess busses running there could do several runs.
>
> Why should Langley have been included? Their
> addition was approved in 2005...

Brickner and Thompson pointed out the fallacy of that addition and Gibson and Strauss never supplied retraction to the article in a reputable newspaper.

You cannot go by what is approved in bond referendums since they include a mix of projects [one never built was the northwest county middle school at baron cameron]. Some projects would be unconscionable NO votes so the unneeded projects get shoved through.

> ...How could Langley have helped Chantilly and
> Westfield overenrollment AND South Lakes
> underenrollment?
>
> Even if Langley's borders were looked at, they
> would have sent kids to Herndon before South
> Lakes.

After examing the elementary boundary maps there is at least one Langley development that shares residential streets that access Hunter Mill rd with a South Lakes feeder. If Madison Island was included in it's entirety then why not this concise development? It makes more sense to send that to South Lakes than the portion of Fox Mill that had a boundary change from Floris after the roof collapsed. Portions of other Langley areas could be at different elementary schools one of which is Aldrin which could go to South Lakes based on proximity to Forest Edge.

Also Armstrong and Aldrin were not even included in the process when all other Herndon feeders were reviewed for McNair's opening. I don't know why Armstrong was excluded but Aldrin is so oriented towards Lake Anne and Forest Edge that it would be ridiculous to include it.

All of Herndon was in this boundary process and you can't look at Herndon without looking at Langley. To conclude, if all of Madison Island is included even when portions are near Beulah then certainly Langley residences that share backyard/front/yard /streets with Forest edge residences should not escape review.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Oakton Parent ()
Date: January 27, 2008 11:40AM

Floris parent writes:

"When you
> examine the last 10 years of enrollment statistics
> for South Lakes, you will see that all races of
> students have remained either stable, or have
> increased, with the exception of one catagory of
> race, which is Caucasian. South Lakes has lost
> over 500 Caucasian students over the last ten
> years."

To which Reston Parent claims:

"You have your facts wrong."

Let's go to the tape: year, white, black, hispanic, asian, total

> > > 1993 1216 313 161 149 2 1841
> > > 1994 1152 351 192 157 2 1854
> > > 1995 1031 340 202 164 3 1740
> > > 1996 1031 340 202 164 3 1740
> > > 1997 966 356 187 164 3 1676
> > > 1998 981 326 189 173 3 1672
> > > 1999 941 328 203 180 5 1657
> > > 2000 952 342 206 171 3 1670
> > > 2001 967 321 226 180 2 1696
> > > 2002 845 314 270 186 2 1655
> > > 2003 845 314 270 186 2 1655
> > > 2004 825 336 263 184 3 1657
> > > 2005 741 350 256 187 3 1602
> > > 2006 716 318 254 175 4 1546

Its a mixed decision. Floris Parent is citing the drop over the last 14 years, not ten. There was a plateay in white enrollment decline from 97-2001, but it resumed then.

As for the aging claim, all the original Reston residents from the 1970's have either moved on or their kids graduated in the 1990s. The decline is due to a reduced influx of families with children. South Lakes has one of the larger districts when measured by number of households, but one of the smallest in terms of households with children. For whatever reason: price, housing stock, age, etc., families with kids have not been choosin to live in Reston at the rate they live in other districts.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: T Boone Pickens ()
Date: January 27, 2008 12:26PM

Oakton Parent Wrote:

>
> As for the aging claim, all the original Reston
> residents from the 1970's have either moved on or
> their kids graduated in the 1990s. The decline is
> due to a reduced influx of families with children.
> South Lakes has one of the larger districts when
> measured by number of households, but one of the
> smallest in terms of households with children.
> For whatever reason: price, housing stock, age,
> etc., families with kids have not been choosin to
> live in Reston at the rate they live in other
> districts.

The current demographics of SLHS is determined by the nature of the housing stock that exists within its boundaries: Wealthy enclaves of mud puddle-front properties surrounded by relatively shabby, higher density developments that are not attractive to families with children. Missing is the middle: dense neighborhoods of medium-sized single-family homes on small to medium sized lots.

This state of affairs is a predictable outcome of deliberate choices that were made in the development of Reston, where it was thought that it was more important to provide the illusion of green space and unusual architecture than larger houses and supermarkets that people can find.

Rather than correct these issues in-house, Reston is attempting to fill its high school by mounting a hostile takeover of neighborhoods that already have the housing assets it thinks it needs to provide the kind of students it wants. This strategy is often used in the business world. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Success or failure is usually determined by whether or not the two cultures can be merged into something that is acceptable to both.

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