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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 11:53AM

FME Wrote:
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> Whooda thunk that in the choice between JEB Stuart
> and South Lakes that you'd have to pick Stuart?
> So many more FRM students than South Lakes and
> better academic ranking. Way to go everyone
> involved with JEB Stuart.

Is the Challenge Index an academic ranking? You might want to check that.

Look at 2007 SAT Scores: South Lakes 1596, Stuart 1534. So South Lakes seems to be doing better for its college bound students. Are your students college bound? If SATs are important to you South Lakes would be the best choice right now.

If SOLs are important to you and you are from a disadvantaged family, then Stuart might be your best option at the moment, because their disadvantaged students are doing better than the disadvantaged students at each and every school in the West County Boundary Study(see the data I posted yesterday).

2008 Local Challenge Index:

47 Stuart* Fairfax 2.378 43.10 51.00

63 South Lakes* Fairfax 1.991 41.50 33.00

Not that much different. Also, South Lakes had the highest jump of any Washington Metropolitan school this year (35%).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2008 12:01PM by SLVerity.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 11:55AM

Baffled Wrote:
>
> Ok..interesting and you had a meeting with the
> school board member?

People on this board jump to so many conclusions. Did I say I had a meeting with a School Board member? No. I spoke with a School Board member on the bus. Jeez.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:07PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> Baffled Wrote:
> >
> > Ok..interesting and you had a meeting with the
> > school board member?
>
> People on this board jump to so many conclusions.
> Did I say I had a meeting with a School Board
> member? No. I spoke with a School Board member on
> the bus. Jeez.


I was not trying to jump to conclusions here--just asking you if you had a meeting with a SB member because it was not clear from your last post how you discussed with a SB member the other day.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:11PM

I ran into a member on the bus, and since someone had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't think was right, I asked for confirmation. The school board member also told me that 20 years ago the Fox Mill community did not want to move to Oakton and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course many don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never change, I guess. People in general don't like to move, but as time passes they adapt and come to like their new locale.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: FME ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:22PM

What bus would that be? Mmmmmaybe the bus that picks up you and your soft white bread cronies along with Stu to your "meetings"??

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: I Smell Children ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:23PM

No the kid-catcher wagon in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:24PM

You have no idea about my race or which SB member I spoke with, do you?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:27PM

Are we there yet?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: January 10, 2008 12:54PM

Date: January 10, 2008 11:38AM
SLVerity Wrote:

> ... I have not personally attacked you, but rather
> your approach. I cannot help it if you take it
> personally. ...
>
> ... it is already doing right by
> it's college bound population.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2008 11:58AM by SLVerity.

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You have a tendency to edit your posts. The above post has already been edited. It would be better to review them before you post them.

[By the way, next time you edit this particular post, "it's" is the abbreviation for "it is." The pronoun you meant to use is "its" without the apostrophe: "its college bound population." Remember: his-hers-its.]

[Yes, I commit a few typographic errors as well. Don't we all? But I try to correct them before posting rather than editing after the fact.]

The point of THIS post is to respond to your sentences, "I have not personally attacked you, but rather your approach. I cannot help it if you take it personally."

Please review these excerpts from some of your posts written to Forum Reader:

Date: January 09, 2008 01:50PM
> Why do you seem to have animus toward South Lakes

Date: January 09, 2008 03:32PM
> It makes one wonder about the integrity of your arguments against South Lakes.

January 09, 2008 06:18PM
> You are welcome to your opinions and I am
> welcome to point out some of the hypocrisy in yours.

Injecting emotionally-laden words like animus, integrity, and hypocrisy turns a rational discussion into a personal attack. As I suggested earlier, kindly review your comments before you post them - to me or to anyone else.

Can we end our petty bickering, stick to our agreement to separate fact from opinion, and get back to the topic of high school redistricting? (By the way, I agree you have the right to talk to a school board member. I don't understand that whole argument.)

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: taxpayer ()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:05PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> I ran into a member on the bus, and since someone
> had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't think
> was right, I asked for confirmation. The school
> board member also told me that 20 years ago the
> Fox Mill community did not want to move to Oakton
> and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course many
> don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never
> change, I guess. People in general don't like to
> move, but as time passes they adapt and come to
> like their new locale.

most epople generally think of Flrois and Fox mill as Lower Herndon areas on the way to Chantilly. Aldrin is Reston. Fox Mill and Oakton are like Langley and parts of Forestville on a much smaller scale or driving distance. FCPS shuld be glad Fox mill has been willing to commute or they all plus Floris, Oak Hill, McNair, Crossfiled, new Coppermine etc could be screaming like the South County middle school crew. There might even be more of them.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:14PM

You post the above, again nit-picking, and then ask me not to be petty? I think you would find that I generally get the his-hers-its thingy down pat. I am the product of an AP school, though. For the record, I questioned the integrity of your argument, not your integrity. You know, sorta like the integrity of a boat's hull. There is a difference. You do seem to not like South Lakes very much. Go back and re-read your posts and see if you don't recognize a trend. If I am wrong, then please accept my apologies.

As I have said many times, we disagree about the AP/IB subject. I am willing to compromise by making the program at South Lakes a blended one. You will not rest until IB is banished or at least narrowed down to a couple of County magnets. I think it's perfectly ok that we disagree, and I have nothing against you personally. I think you are a very intelligent person with an agenda. I think I am, too.

I herewith declare a truce. :)

Sorry, I edited!!!



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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Concerned FFX Citizen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 01:36PM

In order to stop overcrowding and balance out schools the school board should re-district several schools. I suggest sending some students from Oakton and Chantilly to South Lakes.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: FES MOM ()
Date: January 10, 2008 02:12PM

Yes, to be fair, it should include all high schools in FFX in study and find a good option so there will not be any school changes every couple of years! Too much changes.

It's always easy to say move students when it's somebody's kids get moved not yours. If it's yours that you might think it different way. You can pupil palce your kids to SLHS since they have 700 empty seats and leave Oakton and Chantilly HS.


Concerned FFX Citizen Wrote:
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> In order to stop overcrowding and balance out
> schools the school board should re-district
> several schools. I suggest sending some students
> from Oakton and Chantilly to South Lakes.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: huh? ()
Date: January 10, 2008 02:35PM

taxpayer Wrote:
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> SLVerity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> someone
> > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> think
> > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> school
> > board member also told me that 20 years ago the
> > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> Oakton
> > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> many
> > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never
> > change, I guess. People in general don't like
> to
> > move, but as time passes they adapt and come to
> > like their new locale.
>
> most epople generally think of Flrois and Fox mill
> as Lower Herndon areas on the way to Chantilly.
> Aldrin is Reston. Fox Mill and Oakton are like
> Langley and parts of Forestville on a much smaller
> scale or driving distance. FCPS shuld be glad Fox
> mill has been willing to commute or they all plus
> Floris, Oak Hill, McNair, Crossfiled, new
> Coppermine etc could be screaming like the South
> County middle school crew. There might even be
> more of them.



Ok this does not make a bit of sense. what are you trying to say?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SL supporter ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:06PM

Why would you send your kids to Chantilly instead of South Lakes? Do you want your kids around poedophiles or something? I just don't get it. Is being around minorities worse than being around poedophile teachers? I guess for some people it is.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:20PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> I questioned the integrity of your
> argument, not your integrity. You know, sorta
> like the integrity of a boat's hull. There is a
> difference. You do seem to not like South Lakes
> very much. Go back and re-read your posts and
> see if you don't recognize a trend. If I am
> wrong, then please accept my apologies.
>
Some words carry emotion. You previously responded with great emotion when you thought your integrity had been challenged. May I therefore suggest you question the "validity" or the "logic" of arguments instead of their "integrity"?

Our society encourages "We're Number One!" rah-rah support of our schools. Perhaps you see that as not liking other schools "very much." Do you agree that it is not hypocritical to see the flaws at your school, yet want to remain there and improve it?

Since my support of my school and antipathy towards this redistricting proposal do not carry any particular "animus" [to use another of your words] towards South Lakes, yes, you are wrong, and I accept your apology.

So let's get back to the discussion. You write, "I am willing to compromise by making the program at South Lakes a blended one." I keep writing that in FCPS you cannot have both programs in the same high school. Are you willing to listen to and discuss reasons why not?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: zumbapappy ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:24PM

Do any of the schools int he county offer zumba?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:27PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> I ran into a member on the bus, and since someone
> had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't think
> was right, I asked for confirmation. The school
> board member also told me that 20 years ago the
> Fox Mill community did not want to move to Oakton
> and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course many
> don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never
> change, I guess. People in general don't like to
> move, but as time passes they adapt and come to
> like their new locale.

On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a school board member would be riding.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:30PM

The "short one"!

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Leen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:30PM

Neen Wrote:
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> SLVerity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> someone
> > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> think
> > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> school
> > board member also told me that 20 years ago the
> > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> Oakton
> > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> many
> > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never
> > change, I guess. People in general don't like
> to
> > move, but as time passes they adapt and come to
> > like their new locale.
>
> On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a
> school board member would be riding.

Who said anything about a school bus? There are other buses in the area besides school buses. Ever hear of commuter buses? Sounds like you have been riding around in the cold with your top down again.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Lee Parent ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:31PM

The silence is deafening from the "Holier than thou" Chantilly parents on today's arrest of one of their own. I guess the SL parents are enjoying the fact that at least they don't have sexual predators working out of their school.

This should be a lesson to all the parents who were trashing SL.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:32PM

>>>Cons:
1. This is an ill-conceived redistricting study to begin with, and should be scrapped.<<<<

That appears to the consensus opinion.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Baffled ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:34PM

Neen Wrote:
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> SLVerity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> someone
> > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> think
> > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> school
> > board member also told me that 20 years ago the
> > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> Oakton
> > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> many
> > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things never
> > change, I guess. People in general don't like
> to
> > move, but as time passes they adapt and come to
> > like their new locale.
>
> On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a
> school board member would be riding.


Yeah, I thought that was interesting how she(he)ran into a sb member on the bus and discussed Fox Mill..even though anybody has the right to talk to any SB member.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:47PM

Leen Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLVerity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> > someone
> > > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> > think
> > > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> > school
> > > board member also told me that 20 years ago
> the
> > > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> > Oakton
> > > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> > many
> > > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things
> never
> > > change, I guess. People in general don't
> like
> > to
> > > move, but as time passes they adapt and come
> to
> > > like their new locale.
> >
> > On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a
> > school board member would be riding.
>
> Who said anything about a school bus? There are
> other buses in the area besides school buses.
> Ever hear of commuter buses? Sounds like you have
> been riding around in the cold with your top down
> again.

Hi there! You're back, under yet another nic.

No one has mentioned school buses, other than you.

It appears you had a bit of a Freudian reading slip. I guess it was a school bus where SLVerity met you, I mean, met her school board member.

PSSSTTTT......SLVerity doesn't commute anywhere since she isn't working outside the home. But, bless your heart, you are trying.

Now, can we please return to the positive for ALL the kids? What will South Lakes offer the incoming parents and students, other than diversity?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Parent ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:50PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Now, can we please return to the positive for ALL
> the kids? What will South Lakes offer the incoming
> parents and students, other than diversity?


Poedophile free school. Something Chantilly can't.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: January 10, 2008 03:56PM

According to today's Washington Post, the new boundary changes will reduce the NUMBER of free and reduced lunch children. I wonder where they will go?

[www.washingtonpost.com]

The last paragraph:
>>>The plan would lower the number of South Lakes students who receive free or reduced-price lunches, a measure of poverty.<<<

Also:
>>>>Gibson said he is committed to bringing more programs and students to South Lakes.<<<<

Interesting that he said 'more programs'. That sounds like they might be considering an AP program. Perhaps they will change the staffing ratio so that South Lakes will have both AP and IB. Is that a good thing? I don't know because it would most likely mean that in a few years they would begin to phase out IB and many in the current South Lakes boundaries are very committed to IB.

What do you think? Perhaps Mr. Gibson simply meant more programs like the culinary institute.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: January 10, 2008 04:26PM

Parent Wrote:
> Poedophile free school. Something Chantilly
> can't.

Glass houses and throwing stones. You won't go far down this path before you will have to explain the female gym teacher and her inappropriate relations with female students.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLHS Padre ()
Date: January 10, 2008 04:29PM

Baffled Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLVerity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> > someone
> > > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> > think
> > > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> > school
> > > board member also told me that 20 years ago
> the
> > > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> > Oakton
> > > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> > many
> > > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things
> never
> > > change, I guess. People in general don't
> like
> > to
> > > move, but as time passes they adapt and come
> to
> > > like their new locale.
> >
> > On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a
> > school board member would be riding.
>
>
> Yeah, I thought that was interesting how
> she(he)ran into a sb member on the bus and
> discussed Fox Mill..even though anybody has the
> right to talk to any SB member.


See, e.g., Seinfeld Episode - The Outing -- "Not that there's anything wrong with it!".

You folks are quite excellent at the innuendo/slime game,,,,and then at departing with the "Let's return to loftier planes of discourse....SLHS sucks and is a hoodlum school, and has SAT scores hundreds of points below its neighbors". Not factual, but who cares? It could win the struggle.....Why pretend?

Neen used "consensus" in the Castro/Kibaki way ("I see no one is opposed to what I say...so I'll say it for the next five hours".

She and you -- by association -- follow the Malcolm X credo of "By Any Means Necessary." Right on with your bad selves.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Parent ()
Date: January 10, 2008 04:34PM

Forum Reader Wrote:
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> Parent Wrote:
> > Poedophile free school. Something Chantilly
> > can't.
>
> Glass houses and throwing stones. You won't go far
> down this path before you will have to explain the
> female gym teacher and her inappropriate relations
> with female students.


Show me the arrest report.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: January 10, 2008 04:34PM

Parent - I like to think I am a very tough minded guy and am the last to whine that tough talk is insulting and demeaning - people should stand on their own two feet and defend their ideas.

But whether it is Chantilly or South Lakes or Oakton or whatever, if a school has a pedophile/teacher in their midst, and particularly given just how vulnerable or easily manipulated so many young teen kids can be, I find little to joke about with pedophiles, who rank the highest of all criminals when it comes to recidivism. And axiomatically, it is out of bounds to impute that circumstance to the school, at least without hard evidence that the school was aware of the problem and failed to timely act on it, which I find hard to believe in this day and age.

Ok - deem me wimpy and humorless if you will - but just a perspective.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Parent ()
Date: January 10, 2008 04:39PM

quantum Wrote:
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> Parent - I like to think I am a very tough minded
> guy and am the last to whine that tough talk is
> insulting and demeaning - people should stand on
> their own two feet and defend their ideas.
>
> But whether it is Chantilly or South Lakes or
> Oakton or whatever, if a school has a
> pedophile/teacher in their midst, and particularly
> given just how vulnerable or easily manipulated so
> many young teen kids can be, I find little to joke
> about with pedophiles, who rank the highest of all
> criminals when it comes to recidivism. And
> axiomatically, it is out of bounds to impute that
> circumstance to the school, at least without hard
> evidence that the school was aware of the problem
> and failed to timely act on it, which I find hard
> to believe in this day and age.
>
> Ok - deem me wimpy and humorless if you will - but
> just a perspective.

"Arlington police say they began investigating McGuire several months ago." Somebody dropped the ball. Several months? Arlington should have notified FCPD and FCPS and he should have been removed. It may have jeopardized a case, but how many kids were in harm's way while this pervert was allowed to stay at the school?

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Re: high school redistricting
Date: January 10, 2008 04:40PM

quantum Wrote:
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> Parent - I like to think I am a very tough minded
> guy and am the last to whine that tough talk is
> insulting and demeaning - people should stand on
> their own two feet and defend their ideas.
>
> But whether it is Chantilly or South Lakes or
> Oakton or whatever, if a school has a
> pedophile/teacher in their midst, and particularly
> given just how vulnerable or easily manipulated so
> many young teen kids can be, I find little to joke
> about with pedophiles, who rank the highest of all
> criminals when it comes to recidivism. And
> axiomatically, it is out of bounds to impute that
> circumstance to the school, at least without hard
> evidence that the school was aware of the problem
> and failed to timely act on it, which I find hard
> to believe in this day and age.
>
> Ok - deem me wimpy and humorless if you will - but
> just a perspective.


Don't you get it yet, Quantum? Rationality has very little to do with this entire thread. I dare say if this had happened at South Lakes, all kinds of blame would be put on the administration, etc, whether it was deserved or not.

What SLHS Padre said. Neen thrives where reason fails.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:08PM

Neen Wrote:
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> SLVerity Wrote:

>
> On the bus? What bus? Just curious what bus a
> school board member would be riding.

How about a commuter bus. Strange thing to be curious about.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:22PM

Forum Reader Wrote:
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> So let's get back to the discussion. You write, "I
> am willing to compromise by making the program at
> South Lakes a blended one." I keep writing that in
> FCPS you cannot have both programs in the same
> high school. Are you willing to listen to and
> discuss reasons why not?

I guess I am a can-do person. I don't see the impediments that you see. It happens all the time at other IB schools in Virginia. Perhaps we (South Lakes) can be the model for the other IB schools in the County (not counting Robinson because of its size). Just because things have been done one way in the past does not mean they cannot be changed for the future. The IBO changed several things while my children were involved. I'll bet that when you were fighting for Woodson you didn't let the fact that you were setting a precedent stop you.

Let's look at how we can serve the needs and desires of the current South Lakes community and the families coming in.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:29PM

Neen Wrote:
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> It appears you had a bit of a Freudian reading
> slip. I guess it was a school bus where SLVerity
> met you, I mean, met her school board member.
>
> PSSSTTTT......SLVerity doesn't commute anywhere
> since she isn't working outside the home. But,
> bless your heart, you are trying.
>
> Now, can we please return to the positive for ALL
> the kids? What will South Lakes offer the incoming
> parents and students, other than diversity?

This has to be one of the most pitiful posts yet written. I did not post as Leen. My car was in the shop, I needed to go downtown to meet a client, I took a commuter bus to West Falls Church Metro. I saw a SB member on the bus.

See. It's very simple. Now, why are you so concerned with my comings and goings? If you want to return to the kids, please stop wasting bandwidth with your strange conspiracy theories.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:30PM

Neen Wrote:
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> According to today's Washington Post, the new
> boundary changes will reduce the NUMBER of free
> and reduced lunch children. I wonder where they
> will go?
>

Since when did you believe everything you read in the Wash Post?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:31PM

Forum Reader Wrote:
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> Parent Wrote:
> > Poedophile free school. Something Chantilly
> > can't.
>
> Glass houses and throwing stones.

I totally agree, Forum Reader. Watershed moment! Many schools in Fairfax have had similar employees and they are not a reflection on the school.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: RealityCheck ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:34PM

SLHS Parent Wrote:

>
> I'm not branding everyone - only those who deserve
> it. No one with eyes, ears, and a brain who has
> read this forum or attended the meetings can doubt
> that fear and elitism are strong undercurrents in
> this debate.

I have eyes, ears and a brain, and it looks to me that this is a red herring
thrown into the discussion by the SLHS crowd to confuse the discussion by
impugning the character of anyone who, for a variety of perfectly good reasons, simply prefers their current high school assignment to a switch to South Lakes

> Fox Mill and Floris parents of
> conscience should be just as offended as SLHS
> parents.
>

Listen up! One of your betters is telling you how to think!

> The only
> people who have standing to make these decisions
> are our elected public officials, who must make
> their decision based on the merits and based on
> the highest standards of public trust.

Said officials have said that they are in the process of making a decision, and they have asked for input from the public. The public is providing its input. You seem to be in the minority.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:35PM

SLHS Padre Wrote:
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> Neen used "consensus" in the Castro/Kibaki way ("I
> see no one is opposed to what I say...so I'll say
> it for the next five hours".
>
> She and you -- by association -- follow the
> Malcolm X credo of "By Any Means Necessary."
> Right on with your bad selves.

I think (opinion, not fact) that they also believe "The End Justifies the Means."



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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Thomas More ()
Date: January 10, 2008 05:57PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> How about a commuter bus. Strange thing to be curious about.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Many folks interested in this exercise have not been able to gain access to Mr. Gibson or other School Board members as readily and frequently as some officers of the South Lakes PTSA and the South Lakes Boundary Study Group.

The working assumption is enhanced access results in enhanced influence that results in preferential treatment. It's why there is a K Street in Washington D. C. and not a Maple Street in Shawnee Mission, Kansas

I cannot speculate on whether it's true or not in your specific case but that is the source of the curiosity.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:06PM

You know, my spouse rides the bus most every day with the same SB member, because they happen to commute at the same time. Does that mean my spouse has undo access, or is just trying make a living?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Forum Reader ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:14PM

Parent Wrote:
> Show me the arrest report.

Parent, on this even SLV writes: "I totally agree, Forum Reader. Watershed moment! Many schools in Fairfax have had similar employees and they are not a reflection on the school."

So unless you want to take both of us on, I suggest you drop this sub-sub-sub topic.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: SLVerity ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:25PM

Please, don't say 'even SLV.' Do you want to give me a complex?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Oakton Parent ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:32PM

It was pretty hard to wade through the condescenscion in that response, but to focus on the punchline:

> The only
> people who have standing to make these decisions
> are our elected public officials, who must make
> their decision based on the merits and based on
> the highest standards of public trust.

If there was reason to think the public trust was well placed, this thread would be a very short discussion. Several people here (and elsewhere) think we're being kept in the dark and fed ummm "fertilizer", while we're told half-truths, and the parameters of the process are rigged to produce a predetermined outome.

Staff probably wouldn't call that input "helpful" tho.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: WestfieldDad ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:45PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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>
> In a few years, when the McMansions
> are out of vogue, we will be right in style along
> with you!

But if that is true, won't the SL projections be wrong on the low side and Westfield projections wrong on the high side? Won't NE Floris, with it's dreaded McMansions, get to be kicked out of its currently proclaimed permanent home yet again?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: RealityCheck ()
Date: January 10, 2008 06:57PM

Restonian Wrote:
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> RealityCheck Wrote:
> In FME I don't see the kind of
> > lots that would make you want
> > > to stay in place rather than move up and out.
> >
> > Sounds like you have a long-term demographic
> > problem over there. I wouldn't expect this
> > boundary shuffle to provide lasting relief.
>
> Why not? What do you predict will happen to FME
> and the portion of Floris being considered for
> redistricting?
>

I would expect the demographics of the school to be driven by the demographics of the majority of the district, which will be determined by the housing choices in Reston, since that will be the bulk of the housing, even if redistricting goes through. I can't predict what will happen in Floris and FME. Time will tell.

> >
> > > Fox Mill is the closest elementary school to
> > South
> > > Lakes High School, and South Lakes needs more
> > > students feeding into it.
> > >
> >
> > And everyone else exists to serve the needs of
> > South Lakes?
>
> Our county school system should make changes as
> needed to serve the students in the system fairly.

That reads like a common deception tactic: misrepresent the narrow interests of the few (a fraction of the SLHS community) as the broad interests of the many (the entire county) in order to gain support for a position.

A teacher friend of mine told me that life generally stops being fair after third grade.

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: taxpayer ()
Date: January 10, 2008 07:12PM

huh? Wrote:
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> taxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SLVerity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I ran into a member on the bus, and since
> > someone
> > > had posted info about Fox Mill that I didn't
> > think
> > > was right, I asked for confirmation. The
> > school
> > > board member also told me that 20 years ago
> the
> > > Fox Mill community did not want to move to
> > Oakton
> > > and fought to stay at Herndon. Now of course
> > many
> > > don't want to leave Oakton. Some things
> never
> > > change, I guess. People in general don't
> like
> > to
> > > move, but as time passes they adapt and come
> to
> > > like their new locale.
> >
> > most epople generally think of Flrois and Fox
> mill
> > as Lower Herndon areas on the way to Chantilly.
>
> > Aldrin is Reston. Fox Mill and Oakton are like
> > Langley and parts of Forestville on a much
> smaller
> > scale or driving distance. FCPS shuld be glad
> Fox
> > mill has been willing to commute or they all
> plus
> > Floris, Oak Hill, McNair, Crossfiled, new
> > Coppermine etc could be screaming like the
> South
> > County middle school crew. There might even be
> > more of them.
>
>
>
> Ok this does not make a bit of sense. what are
> you trying to say?

distance to schools and areas demanding new construction when there is open renovated capacity at a reasonable distance from the residences. look at the boundary maps - people who can go to lake Braddock refuse and therefore want a new school built via bumping other CIP projects.

I didn't hear any one testifying at the CIP public hearings asking for a new high school in West County. Did they??

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Berdhuis ()
Date: January 10, 2008 07:21PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> WestfieldMom Wrote:
>
> > > The attachment says it all. When SLHS
> arrives
> > at
> > > full strength, it will be hands-down the best
> > high
> > > school in Fairfax County, if not the entire
> U.S.
>
> We will still be much more diverse than
> Westfield:)

And we in McNair will still be much more diverse than South Lakes.

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Re: high school redistricting
Date: January 10, 2008 07:24PM

Neen Wrote:
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> >>>Cons:
> 1. This is an ill-conceived redistricting study to
> begin with, and should be scrapped.<<<<
>
> That appears to the consensus opinion.


I have thought so all along, but I fear that the SB won't have the courage to admit it.

Did anyone else here attend the meeting Monday night at Fox Mill with our reps Plum and Herring?

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Re: high school redistricting
Posted by: Another Lurker ()
Date: January 10, 2008 07:45PM

SLVerity Wrote:
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> You know, my spouse rides the bus most every day
> with the same SB member, because they happen to
> commute at the same time. Does that mean my
> spouse has undo access, or is just trying make a
> living?

If your spouse DOES have undo access, have him undo this whole boundary study, please...
...or did you mean UNDUE access?

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

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