WTF???? Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Was LB piling on WePo tonight? In tweeter feeds
> I
> > thought I saw them going for two pts. after
> > touchdowns, late field goals and passing late
> in
> > the game. Just seemed to be a bit much for a
> team
> > that could have sent out their JV and won the
> > game.
>
> They piled on Annandale last week 68 - 0 and the
> piled on WePo 58 - 0. When you are ahead by 5 or 6
> touchdowns, do you really need to keep piling on
> the scores? Hopefully, LB was playing the guys
> that normally are bench warmers, and not just
> trying to get Henderson's stats up for the
> recruiters.

Lake Braddock has no class! They promise kids if you come play for us you will have stats out of your ass. So when they get their patsy district schedule they pad stats by playing starters late and making it look like they are getting these completions when it mattered, not when they were up 50-0 against Annandale or Lee or Hayfield or West Potomac. Real football fans know the score.

Robinson over Lee 46-35

It was Robinson homecoming game.

Braddock had their 2nd and 3rd stringers in most of the 2nd half against Annandale and W. Potomac................were you even watching the game, you frickin retard?

Is it me or does it seem there is a big dropoff between the top three, CVille, LB and Westfield and then the next level, i.e Chantilly, SoCo, Langley, TC, Robinson and another huge drop to the next level, WS, West Po, Lee.


I just don't think there will be a surprise team like Oakton again this year to the Northern final two teams.

Is TC actually good or no

Football Fever Wrote:
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> Is it me or does it seem there is a big dropoff
> between the top three, CVille, LB and Westfield
> and then the next level, i.e Chantilly, SoCo,
> Langley, TC, Robinson and another huge drop to the
> next level, WS, West Po, Lee.
>
>
> I just don't think there will be a surprise team
> like Oakton again this year to the Northern final
> two teams.


I'd agree with those rankings. The top teams last year, while the same 3, were no where near as dominant as this year. I would be very suprised if Centreville doesn't win it all, but shocked if a school other than those 3 does.

Anyway to the results. Bigger spreads made the picks a little more difficult this week.

Centreville (-35.0) @ Chantilly
My spreads for Centreville have been too low. Who will take the 35 points against a pretty good Chantilly? I think Centreville may be that good and Chantilly is the first team to really have their attention.

Falls Church (-7.5) @ Washington & Lee

Hayfield (-14.0) @ Wakefield

Jefferson @ Fairfax (-14.5)
Giving Fairfax a big spread here, but Jefferson is 3-1, TJ could really show something if they compete down the stretch with the Rebels.

Lake Braddock (-25.0) @ West Potomac
Lake Braddock won 58-0. People were saying them and Centreville wouldn't cover these spreads.

Langley (-42.0) @ Marshall
Langley won 56-13, spread was spot on!

Lee @ Robinson (-31.0)
Robinson won 56-35. Those that picked Lee won.

McLean (-3.5) @ Herndon
McLean won 42-27. Herndon is really going to struggle in the Concorde this year.

Mount Vernon @ Edison (-7.0)
Mount Vernon beat Edison 28-20


Oakton (-14.5) @ Woodson
Oakton beat Woodson 21-6. Awesome spread, watch out Vegas!

South County (-35.0) @ West Springfield
South County won 54-3. Spread covered. West Springfield has been outscored 117-3 their last two games.

South Lakes @ Madison (-6.0)
South Lakes won 36-27. Biggest win for the Seahawks in several years.

Stone Bridge @ Westfield (-3.0) *unquestionably the game of the week
Westfield won 30-6. Awesome win for them, win was by so much because of two extremely costly turnovers on kickoffs.

TC Williams (-28.0) @ Annandale
TC Williams won 20-14. Biggest head scratcher of the night. They beat Oakton by 36, beat a very strong Langley, and then struggle against Annandale...

Yorktown (-40.0) @ Stuart
Yorktown won 42-7

I was wrong. I thought west potomac would put a score or two on the board. In fairness, west potomac's star athlete did not play, he was injured. But LB did hang a ton of points on that team.
For those not at the game, or the game last week, Braddock played 2nd and 3rd string guys for the second half of BOTH games. In addition, Braddock was not trying to pad stats as they ran a totally balanced offense in both games, depending heavily on the run in the second half. Henderson is a big part of this team but Braddock has a ton of weapons. O'Brien is an elusive, shifty running back that's hard to tackle because of his size and speed. Alexander, Antonellis, and Sica are 3 big, fast receivers. Their defense has (surprisingly) shut teams down and is playing with a ton of heart.

WP had a hand in their ass whipping.
Does that youth league D coordinator
have a brain? How about not sending
5 or 6 man blitz over and over
and Braddock would've run the ball!
Sorry thing is this community has
watched a regional program run into the
ground in 18 months. Only gonna get
worse too.

steve k2 Wrote:
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> South Lakes @ Madison (-6.0)
> South Lakes won 36-27. Biggest win for the
> Seahawks in several years.
>

Not really, Madison is just not very good at all this year. They are looking down the barrel of a 1-9 or 2-8 season.

Yea, you're right. I didn't realize Madison was that bad and winless. Looking at their schedule they'll beat Marshall; then McLean and TJ are toss ups. They will definitely lose to Robinson and Langley. I'd say they'll probably get 3 wins, but 2 wouldn't be a suprise.

You mean demorney high school

Oh, quit crying about West Potomac's coaches......every coach who goes through there gets pilloried because they "have all this talent"...... hey, have you ever tried coaching a bunch of dumb fucking niggers that can run, but are not very coachable, and bring their ghetto nigger attitude with them when they come to the field? This is what any coach has to deal with when they come here.

Marshall vs. Stuart should be one of the more entertaining games of the season. I think Stuart will win, Marshall can pretty much guarantee back to back 0-10 seasons with a loss.

Toilet Bowl Wrote:
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> Marshall vs. Stuart should be one of the more
> entertaining games of the season. I think Stuart
> will win, Marshall can pretty much guarantee back
> to back 0-10 seasons with a loss.

Marshall's already played in two toilet bowls...
Wakefield who went 0-10 last year in week 1 and lost. Still Wakefield's only win.

Then Freedom SR who gets destroyed by everyone and beat Marshall by 25, still Freedom's only win.

Stuart is really bad though, Marshall has a small shot.

Here are next week's preliminary spreads. Westfield @ Centreville will be the game of the year. Can't wait for this Friday!

Westfield @ Centreville (-14.0)
Best game of the regular season. Be there! Both teams flexed their muscle this past Friday. Centreville beat a pretty good Chantilly team who to date was their toughest test 42-0. Unreal. It questions if anyone can compete with them. They have outscored their opponents 245-30.

Westfield is coming off giving Stone Bridge their worst Northern Region defeat ever. At the beginning of the season Coach Thompson said this was his best team ever at Stone Bridge, while most raised their eyebrows at the comment, still a monster win for Westfield beating the perenial power 30-6.

This is a rivalry game so you never know what will happen. The atmosphere will be electric. This is clearly 2 of the top 3 teams in the Northern Region. My feeling is Centreville is too much for everyone, but this is a great opportunity to see if Centreville is beatable and Westfield is one of two teams that may be able to.

Annandale @ Lee (-13.0)

Fairfax @ Langley (-10.0)
*This game will decide second in Liberty, should be a good one.

Hayfield @ Yorktown (-14.0)

Marshall @ Stuart (-8.5)
Both schools best remaining chance at a win.

Oakton @ Chantilly (-14.0)
Oakton sitting at 4-1 is about to be in for a rude awakening in Concorde play. This is a must win for Chantilly.

Robinson (-24.0) @ Madison

South Lakes (-7.0) @ Jefferson
South Lakes looks to beat TJ for the first time in 3 years, ouch.

Stone Bridge (-28.0) @ McLean
Stone Bridge gets a cup cake district to get some of its pride back after losing to two D6 powers.

Woodson @ Braddock (-38.0)
Braddock has outscored their last two opponents 118-0. Spread might go up later in the week.

Wakefield @ Falls Church (-21.0)

Washington-Lee @ Mount Vernon (-14.0)
Mount Vernon has rebounded nicely from a rough start.

West Springfield @ West Potomac (-10.0)
West Po wins the award for biggest first half disappointment. People were talking about them maybe being a contender in the Patriot and they lose 55-0 to Lake Braddock.

South County (-21.0) @ TC Williams

Edison @ Herndon (-3.0)

Steve k2, love your weekly spreads and keen analysis of the northern region every week!

This is going to be a great week of football!

The VHSL predictor predicted tc to beat soco

haha well when WP beat Chantilly in the playoffs and then put up 34 on the top Def (Westfield) in the state those f#### Nig####s as you put it (high school kids as I would say it) took coaching as well as anyone in this region.
But keep defending the losers in charge now as if all is the same.
Nothing makes your point as valid as getting to say the N word anonymously. :)

which game is going to better Langley vs Fairfax or Oakton vs Chantilly?

Just an exercise to provide food for thought. Because the Northern Region really has only three upper tier teams in the D6 division, the No. 1 seed of the tournament should have a fairly easy path to the state tournament. Keep in mind that the 2 participants of the Region finals qualify for the four team State tournament. For this reason, this week's game between Westfield and CVille should not only decide the Concorde District title but also determine if CVille has an opportunity to overtake Lake Braddock in the VHSL Power ratings and the No. 1 seed. A loss would essentially give the No. 1 seed to Lake Braddock because both CVille and Westfield would have one loss and LB should win out with a cream puff schedule to finish out the year. A win by CVille combined with winning out would probably give them the Power Rating edge because of the difficulty of the Concorde District schedule and the relatively easy Patriot District schedule. Keep in mind that Westfield and CVille would play in the semi finals of the Region playoff in one bracket and Lake Braddock would play the No. 4 seed in the other bracket if everything would play out as envisioned by the seeding system.

Annandale @ Lee (17.0)
Lee looks to end 4 game losing streak.

Westfield @ Centreville (28.0)
Centreville looks to defeat Westfield in the regular season for the first time in over 5 years.

Oakton @ Chantilly (21.0)
Chantilly needs to bounce back strong against a weak Oakton squad.

Edison (7.0) @ Herndon
Edison's passing attack looks to flatten Herndon's homecoming hopes.

Fairfax @ Langley (8.0)
One of the underrated match ups this week. Look for a shootout between running backs.

Wakefield @ Falls Church (21.0)
Falls Church will get back on track against a weak Wakefield squad.

Hayfield @ Yorktown (21.0)
Hayfield is the biggest disappointment of the year. Will also be missing a 1st string wide receiver.

Woodson @ Lake Braddock (38.0)
Would make the spread more but Lake Braddock will probably take it easy have a lot of kids on display at homecoming.

Robinson (35.0) @ Madison
Joe Wilson scores at least 3 times against Madison, who looks like Robinson's JV.

Marshall @ Stuart (8.0)
2 terrible teams. Marshall is just a little bit worse however.

Stone Bridge (40.0) @ McLean
Stone Bridge looks to bounce back, will probably attack against McLean.

Washington-Lee @ Mount Vernon (9.0)
Mount Vernon tries to make it 3 straight in front of a Homecoming crowd.

South County @ TC Williams (5.0)
Upset alert.

South Lakes (12.0) @ Jefferson
Battle between two 3-2 teams.

West Springfield @ West Potomac (21.0)
The Demornay Pierson-El show.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Just an exercise to provide food for thought.
> Because the Northern Region really has only three
> upper tier teams in the D6 division, the No. 1
> seed of the tournament should have a fairly easy
> path to the state tournament. Keep in mind that
> the 2 participants of the Region finals qualify
> for the four team State tournament. For this
> reason, this week's game between Westfield and
> CVille should not only decide the Concorde
> District title but also determine if CVille has an
> opportunity to overtake Lake Braddock in the VHSL
> Power ratings and the No. 1 seed. A loss would
> essentially give the No. 1 seed to Lake Braddock
> because both CVille and Westfield would have one
> loss and LB should win out with a cream puff
> schedule to finish out the year. A win by CVille
> combined with winning out would probably give them
> the Power Rating edge because of the difficulty of
> the Concorde District schedule and the relatively
> easy Patriot District schedule. Keep in mind that
> Westfield and CVille would play in the semi finals
> of the Region playoff in one bracket and Lake
> Braddock would play the No. 4 seed in the other
> bracket if everything would play out as envisioned
> by the seeding system.


Great post, EXCEPT, the North will send one team to Charlottesville for the State Championship. There will be 16 teams at the end of the regular season that will make the playoffs, they will be seeded 1-16 according to Power Points and play down to the North representative.

That is what I thought earlier in the year but the current VHSL docs indicate that two from each region advance. Here is the link to the document describing the state tournament

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/tournament-format-football1.pdf

Let me know if I have there is an updated format.

Spreads Wrote:
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>
> Westfield @ Centreville (28.0)
> Centreville looks to defeat Westfield in the
> regular season for the first time in over 5 years.
>

Actually (if I'm not mistaken) the only victory Centreville has in the regular season against Westfield was in 2000 when Westfield first opened up and they didn't have any seniors, which really doesn't count. The ONLY true victory Cville has agains Westfield was in 2011 Regional finals when a last second blocked field goal gave Cville the victory.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> That is what I thought earlier in the year but the
> current VHSL docs indicate that two from each
> region advance. Here is the link to the document
> describing the state tournament
>
> http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/tournament-format-f
> ootball1.pdf
>
> Let me know if I have there is an updated format.


Wow, this is news as I thought the Regional finals would be at the high seed. This says (for 6A) Regional Finals (which can be viewed as state semi-finals) will be at UVa.

No, I believe that the regional tournament will play out completely, ending with a Regional champ and a runner up. The state tournament will be similar to the soccer tournament in which the Northern runner up will play the Southern Region champ and the other game will be the Northern Region Champ will play the Southern Region runner up. The following weekend the winners of that game will face off for the state championship. Both weekends will be at Charlottesville.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> No, I believe that the regional tournament will
> play out completely, ending with a Regional champ
> and a runner up. The state tournament will be
> similar to the soccer tournament in which the
> Northern runner up will play the Southern Region
> champ and the other game will be the Northern
> Region Champ will play the Southern Region runner
> up. The following weekend the winners of that
> game will face off for the state championship.
> Both weekends will be at Charlottesville.

So here's the playoff schedule:
Nov 15 - Regional Playoffs
Nov 22 - Regional Quarters
Nov 30 - Regional Semis
Dec 7th - Regional Finals
Dec 14th - State Finals

But according to: http://www.vhsl.org/athletics.football
VHSL state semis are Dec 7th, and State Finals are Dec 14th which would make the Regional Finals and the State Semi-finals the same game. Am I missing something here.

I believe that the top 2 teams from the north will not play each other, but will cross brackets and play the top 2 teams from the south. That will be the semi finals. The winner in those 2 games play each other for the state title.

State tournament is north vs south in both semi final games. Agree.

Correction. You may be right. Three weeks of regional playoffs would end up with the final two teams so the Regional finals would be considered the state semis with the winners of each region facing off for the title on the week of Dec. 14.

trivia Wrote:
> Actually (if I'm not mistaken) the only victory
> Centreville has in the regular season against
> Westfield was in 2000 when Westfield first opened
> up and they didn't have any seniors, which really
> doesn't count. The ONLY true victory Cville has
> agains Westfield was in 2011 Regional finals when
> a last second blocked field goal gave Cville the
> victory.

a) you are correct. Westfield vs Centreville all-time:
2001: Centreville 10, Westfield 7
2002: Westfield 21, Centreville 14
2003: Westfield 38, Centreville 14
2004: Westfield 30, Centreville 21
2005: Westfield 34, Centreville 31
2006: Westfield 27, Centreville 7
2007: Westfield 33, Centreville 0
2008: Westfield 58, Centreville 40
2009: Westfield 24, Centreville 7
2010: Westfield 35, Centreville 14
2011: Westfield 13, Centreville 10
2001: Centreville 27, Westfield 24 (Northern Region Championship)
2012: Westfield 40, Centreville 21

b) That win in the NR game is slightly tainted in my mind. Westfield was hosed with some bad and/or marginally questionable calls that game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk_fP64-lt4

See 3:47 as an example.

Oakton will lose to Chantilly by at least 4 touchdowns. Their defense will haeve to play some real offensive players now: Sydnor, Smith and Harris. West Potomac, with only one good player, almost beat them at home.

Chantilly rights the ship at home this Friday.

Go Chargers!

The top 2 teams from the north will not play each other, No more regional champions

The top 2 teams from the north will cross brackets and play the other region in the semi finals.

Ex....if Centreville and Braddock are the top 2 teams in the north, they will not play each other, they will play the top 2 teams from the south. If both teams win, you could have a all north state championship game.

Div 4A,5A, and 6A will not cross bracket and north plays north and south plays south !,2,and 3A will cross

Wow! Its hard to believe that the Northern Region would end a season with just a District champ and nothing more after all these years with regional champs for all sports. It is just too anti climatic. Oh well...

So to be clear, we have no idea how it works yet and we'll have to wait until late November and Ddcember to see how it all plays out. My guess was like what "playoff expert" said it was. Whichever way is right, it will still be fun to watch.

Don't count on an all northern region finals. Ocean Lakes is considered the national power from Virginia averages well over 50 per game.

playoff expert Wrote:
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> Div 4A,5A, and 6A will not cross bracket and north
> plays north and south plays south !,2,and 3A will
> cross


That's my take as well with respect to 6A, but the one surprise I had is the Regional Championships appears to be at UVa, not at the high seed.

Ignore all the awkward and bureaucratic wording and lack of clarity and lack of uniformity regarding terminology and definitions: in 6A there will be ONE team from 6A North and ONE team from 6A South facing off in the State Championship game.

I believe playoff expert is correct. Technically the two region champions will play eachother for the state championship, and I guess the region championships are considered state semifinals. Either way we will definitely have a region champion when all is said and done.

That is my understanding too. The winner of the Northern Region will play the winner of the Southern Region at UVA. The question is where would the Northern Regional Championship be paid? Would the top seed get the home field for up to four home games?

The problem is that they have only allocated 3 weeks for the 16 team playoff. That is what is making everything so confusing. Did they make a mistake because most of the other sports have an 8 team playoff? I cannot imagine them scheduling games more frequently than one a week.

They alloted 4 weeks. On the VHSL site, the State Semis would be the Regional Championship game.

The Regional semi-finals are played on Thanksgiving weekend.

RydellRoad Wrote:
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> trivia Wrote:
> > Actually (if I'm not mistaken) the only victory
> > Centreville has in the regular season against
> > Westfield was in 2000 when Westfield first
> opened
> > up and they didn't have any seniors, which
> really
> > doesn't count. The ONLY true victory Cville
> has
> > agains Westfield was in 2011 Regional finals
> when
> > a last second blocked field goal gave Cville
> the
> > victory.
>
> a) you are correct. Westfield vs Centreville
> all-time:
> 2001: Centreville 10, Westfield 7
> 2002: Westfield 21, Centreville 14
> 2003: Westfield 38, Centreville 14
> 2004: Westfield 30, Centreville 21
> 2005: Westfield 34, Centreville 31
> 2006: Westfield 27, Centreville 7
> 2007: Westfield 33, Centreville 0
> 2008: Westfield 58, Centreville 40
> 2009: Westfield 24, Centreville 7
> 2010: Westfield 35, Centreville 14
> 2011: Westfield 13, Centreville 10
> 2001: Centreville 27, Westfield 24 (Northern
> Region Championship)
> 2012: Westfield 40, Centreville 21
>
> b) That win in the NR game is slightly tainted in
> my mind. Westfield was hosed with some bad and/or
> marginally questionable calls that game.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk_fP64-lt4
>
> See 3:47 as an example.

I love the fact that Westfield fans cannot get over this game!! Centreville was the better team that year and won the Region. I believe it was still in their head the next year when they were the better team, BUT lost to Oakton on their home field AGAIN! OUCH!!!

No worries this year, Westfield will not be in the mix for the North Region Championship. Lake Braddock and Centreville are headed for a gigantic showdown on Thanksgiving weekend for the Championship.

> Don't count on an all northern region finals.
> Ocean Lakes is considered the national power from
> Virginia averages well over 50 per game.

I think you mean Oscar Smith...ranked #13 Nationally by USA Today with the #5 ranked recruit (UVa) in the country.

> No worries this year, Westfield will not be in the
> mix for the North Region Championship. Lake
> Braddock and Centreville are headed for a gigantic
> showdown on Thanksgiving weekend for the
> Championship.

Actually with the new playoff format, Thanksgiving weekend 11/30 could be Westfield vs. Centreville rematch, with the winner of this Friday's game likely hosting. This assumes LB keeps the #1 power ranking. The winner of the WF vs. CV playoff game 11/30 prob facing LB 12/7 for Northern Championship (i.e. State Semi's). Winner of that game perhaps playing Oscar Smith in state title game 12/14 at UVa.

The Kicker Wrote:
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> So to be clear, we have no idea how it works yet
> and we'll have to wait until late November and
> Ddcember to see how it all plays out. My guess was
> like what "playoff expert" said it was. Whichever
> way is right, it will still be fun to watch.


No, YOU apparently have no idea how it works . . . those of us who have studied it know exactly how it will play out.

6A North and 6A South will each have a 16 team playoff based on power points. North is doing a basic 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15 etc. after 4 rounds there will be a single 6A North "champion." 6A South is a little more complicated with two regional 8 team brackets but again after 4 rounds there will be a 6A South champion. These two teams (North and South champions) play each other for the state championship.

> Don't count on an all northern region finals.

As explained above there will never be an all northern region finals - the state final is 6A South champion vs the 6A North champion. Also there is no longer a northern region - there is 6A North and South (the four region setup (which included the northern region) no longer exists).

Hoki Wrote:
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> > No worries this year, Westfield will not be in
> the
> > mix for the North Region Championship. Lake
> > Braddock and Centreville are headed for a
> gigantic
> > showdown on Thanksgiving weekend for the
> > Championship.
>
> Actually with the new playoff format, Thanksgiving
> weekend 11/30 could be Westfield vs. Centreville
> rematch, with the winner of this Friday's game
> likely hosting. This assumes LB keeps the #1
> power ranking. The winner of the WF vs. CV playoff
> game 11/30 prob facing LB 12/7 for Northern
> Championship (i.e. State Semi's). Winner of that
> game perhaps playing Oscar Smith in state title
> game 12/14 at UVa.

That is correct except if Cville wins Friday night, they should go ahead of Lake Braddock in Power Points which means it will be most likely a rematch of Lake Braddock/Westfield at Thanksgiving.

Actually it would be the winner of the Lake Braddock/Westfield that would face CVille in the Regional finals. That is IF CVille wins Friday and the Regional tournament plays out in accordance with the seeding. I learned a lot about this garbage watching volleyball tournaments and the constant bracket watching that takes place there.

To clear everything up about the playoffs, essentially in the North and South you will have a playoff of 16 teams using a seeded tournament format. The state semi finals will be the regional finals of the north and south teams and the only game involving the north and south will be the two regional champions. If this is not right let me know.

Cvillefan Wrote:
> Centreville was the better team
> that year and won the Region.

I don't think anyone who watched both 2011 Centreville-Westfield games would think it was so clear-cut that Centreville was the "better" team. Those two games were some of the best HS football I've seen played and the end result was 1-1 and 37-37 score after 8 quarters and an overtime.

It was a really great high school game between two evenly matched teams. This year's games could be just as good.

Here is the article from the post. Am I misunderstanding this or did we basically go from 4 Regions to 3?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/new-virginia-high-school-football-playoff-breakdown/2013/10/08/9fbf1a6a-3043-11e3-9ccc-2252bdb14df5_story.html

North, South(South) and South(Central)

WTF???

Does anyone know the current power points standings?

power point standings


http://hayfieldfootball.com/Page.asp?n=71753&org=hayfieldfootball.com

Football Fever Wrote:
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> Here is the article from the post. Am I
> misunderstanding this or did we basically go from
> 4 Regions to 3?
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/n
> ew-virginia-high-school-football-playoff-breakdown
> /2013/10/08/9fbf1a6a-3043-11e3-9ccc-2252bdb14df5_s
> tory.html
>
> North, South(South) and South(Central)
>
> WTF???

We went from 4 regions to 2 regions.

Regions for 4A, 5A, and 6A - North and South
Regions for 1A, 2A, 3A - East and West

WeDoFootball Wrote:
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> Does anyone know the current power points
> standings?

Straight from the Horse's mouth:

http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/fb-top-20-ratings8.pdf

Thats what is says in the document but based on what I read, it looks like there is a South (Central) regional champion playing a South (South) Regional Champion which will play the North Regional Champion.

To me, they still have a sub- Regional Champion or they could state they are the 'Central' Regional Champion.

It just seems like VHSL has not made it clear what they are doing and things are still similar in many ways

RydellRoad Wrote:
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> Cvillefan Wrote:
> > Centreville was the better team
> > that year and won the Region.
>
> I don't think anyone who watched both 2011
> Centreville-Westfield games would think it was so
> clear-cut that Centreville was the "better" team.
> Those two games were some of the best HS football
> I've seen played and the end result was 1-1 and
> 37-37 score after 8 quarters and an overtime.

I agree...I have been to a lot of HS, College, and NFL games in my life, and the 2011 No Region final CV vs. WF was one of the best games I've even seen at any level.

The regular season game that WF won in OT...recall that WF recovered a CV fumble in OT to win the game after kicking a FG in their first OT possession. Except....the refs blew the call, his knee was down first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CMZOY-OxA

Of course CV got revenge in the No Reg. final...and yes a couple bad calls against WF during the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk_fP64-lt4

Football Fever Wrote:
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> Thats what is says in the document but based on
> what I read, it looks like there is a South
> (Central) regional champion playing a South
> (South) Regional Champion which will play the
> North Regional Champion.
>
> To me, they still have a sub- Regional Champion or
> they could state they are the 'Central' Regional
> Champion.
>
> It just seems like VHSL has not made it clear what
> they are doing and things are still similar in
> many ways

I also saw that on the VHSL web site...I attribute it to the web site not being updated with the new playoff format. In the past they had annually rotated the 4 region winners who-plays-who in the semi's. I think they just haven't got around to removing that info.

Hoki Wrote:
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> Football Fever Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thats what is says in the document but based on
> > what I read, it looks like there is a South
> > (Central) regional champion playing a South
> > (South) Regional Champion which will play the
> > North Regional Champion.
> > . . .

Here is a detailed explanation of the playoff format for 6A from VA Preps

Regions: 6A North and 6A South

How the playoffs will work in the North: The top 16 teams by power points from the North will be placed in a 16-team traditional bracket (1 v 16, 2 v 15, etc...) that will play down until there is one team standing. There will be no re-seeding along the way.

How the playoffs will work in the South: The top 8 teams by power points from a 'sub-region' made up of teams combined from Conferences 1 and 2 will advance to the postseason along with the top 8 teams by power points from a 'sub-region' made up of teams combined from Conferences 3 and 4.

The eight teams from Conferences 1 and 2 will be placed in a traditional 8-team bracket (1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc...) and will compete against each other through two rounds. There will be no re-seeding. That will leave two teams standing.

The eight teams from Conferences 3 and 4 will be placed in a traditional 8-team bracket (1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc...) and will compete against each other through two rounds. There will be no re-seeding. That will leave two teams standing.

The four teams remaining in the South (two from the Conference 1 and 2 bracket and two from the Conference 3 and 4 bracket) will then be re-seeded 1 through 4 based on their regular season power points. #1 will host #4 and #2 will host #3.

Final Four: In the North, the two teams left standing from the traditional 16-team bracket will play each other for a regional title and the right to go to the state championship game.

In the South, the two winners from the re-seeded 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 games will meet in a regional final and the right to go to the state championship game.

State championship: The lone survivor from the North will play the lone survivor from the South.

End of Quote

Please note that there is not official VHSL designation of "sub-region" The South "made this up" by "combining" conferences. I assume they did this to preserve traditional rivalries and/or to reduce transportation costs.

Does any other state have such a convoluted playoff system? I'm only familiar with a few other states but they are a little more straight-forward. I don't think VHSL has done a good job of explaining the new system. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many questions about it.

What are y'all's predictions for this Friday/Saturday?

There are only 3-4 teams that have a realistic chance of Winning the region

Who can compete with centerville??

Westfield vs Centreville
> all-time:
> 2001: Centreville 10, Westfield 7
> 2002: Westfield 21, Centreville 14
> 2003: Westfield 38, Centreville 14
> 2004: Westfield 30, Centreville 21
> 2005: Westfield 34, Centreville 31
> 2006: Westfield 27, Centreville 7
> 2007: Westfield 33, Centreville 0
> 2008: Westfield 58, Centreville 40
> 2009: Westfield 24, Centreville 7
> 2010: Westfield 35, Centreville 14
> 2011: Westfield 13, Centreville 10
> 2011: Centreville 27, Westfield 24 (Northern
> Region Championship)
> 2012: Westfield 40, Centreville 21

Game 14 of the series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sp4t-VxG6A&feature=youtu.be

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Anyone headed out to the Langley-Fairfax game tmrw? It should be a good match up seeing who can come out as the second best in the Liberty District. High chance of rain so bring your jackets.

Is the Centreville Westfield game cancelled due to weather?

Nope they're on a turf field. No cancellations yet.

Oakton @ Chantilly is confirmed for tonight
Fairfax @ Langley is confirmed for tonight
South Lakes @ TJ has been moved to Fairfax but will be played tonight

May damper the atmosphere some, but get your rain gear ready and enjoy a hell of a game tonight between Westfield and Centreville!

PG county has moved all their games to Monday which is Columbus Day, it wouldn't suprise me if some other games get moved to Monday, but we'll see shortly.

West Springfield @ West Potomac postponed to Monday @ 6 p.m.

Next year this won't be an issue.

steve k2 Wrote:
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> Nope they're on a turf field. No cancellations
> yet.
>
> Oakton @ Chantilly is confirmed for tonight
> Fairfax @ Langley is confirmed for tonight
> South Lakes @ TJ has been moved to Fairfax but
> will be played tonight
>
> May damper the atmosphere some, but get your rain
> gear ready and enjoy a hell of a game tonight
> between Westfield and Centreville!
>
> PG county has moved all their games to Monday
> which is Columbus Day, it wouldn't suprise me if
> some other games get moved to Monday, but we'll
> see shortly.

Money well spent on the turf fields- Game on! Get your raincoats and umbrellas.

as posted on the centreville highschool website

The football game against Westfield HS tonight will be played on time. It will not be postponed due to inclement weather. Outside drinks are not admitted into the stadium.

Langley Saxons beat Fairfax 28-7. I'm stunned, fairfax is not who we thought they were and Langley is looking to be a dark horse contender come playoffs.

I am a believer. Centreville 28 Westfield 0

Great Friday night of prediction. 3 spreads were spot on, 5 within 2 points of the predicted margin, 10 of 11 spreads covered, and 11 of 11 games picked correctly.

Westfield @ Centreville (-14.0)
Centreville covers the spread 28-0. It’s Centreville’s region.

Annandale @ Lee (-13.0)
Lee covers spread 35-20

Fairfax @ Langley (-10.0)
Langley covers the spread 28-7. With wins against Chantilly and Yorktown, and a nail biter against Stone Bridge, this team is a very solid one.

Hayfield @ Yorktown (-14.0)
Yorktown wins 19-14, Hayfield with a real good performance and first spread not covered.

Marshall @ Stuart (-8.5)
Stuart covers the spread 33-13. With double digit losses to Wakefield, Freedom SR, and Stuart; all of which Marshall is their only win, looks like Marshall is in the cellar this year. They do have some young talent though. It will get better in the future but next up Stone Bridge and a consecutive 0-10 season.

Oakton @ Chantilly (-14.0)
Chantilly nails the spread with a 21-7 win, big win for the Chargers, back to reality for the Cougars. Next up for Oakton… Centreville

Robinson (-24.0) @ Madison
Robinson covers the spread 39-0.

South Lakes (-7.0) @ Jefferson
South Lakes covers the spread 23-15. Not great for a school their size, but South Lakes is having one of their more respectable football seasons in years!

Stone Bridge (-28.0) @ McLean
Stone Bridge nails the spread 35-7; getting pretty good at these things.

Woodson @ Braddock (-38.0)
Lake Braddock covers the spread 50-0 in a rain shortened game. Lake Braddock has now outscored their opponents 176-0 in the last 3 games. Still don’t think they will be able to hang with Centreville though.

Wakefield @ Falls Church (-21.0)
Falls Church nails the spread 37-16.

Washington-Lee @ Mount Vernon (-14.0)
PPD

West Springfield @ West Potomac (-10.0)
PPD

There are only two teams with a "realistic" chance of beating centerville I believe lb ( not sure how they migh compete) ande soco (if they can outscore them almost impossible but 2nd best bet)

10 of 11 games covered?
WTF? The spread is not something to be "covered"; it's supposed to be the difference in the score between the two teams. Whether a team "covers" or doesnt coveris a completely separate issue than of the spread itself. The real question is how far off the spread was from the actual difference in the game. For example, if the spread on Team A and Team B is -4, and Team A wins by 24, then that is not a good spread!

Tevin Wrote:
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> There are only two teams with a "realistic" chance
> of beating centerville I believe lb ( not sure how
> they migh compete) ande soco (if they can outscore
> them almost impossible but 2nd best bet)


Regardless, most of the spreads were pretty spot on.

Any way to this post. Lake Braddock may have a semi-shot as they have some great offensive fire power. I just go back to the fact that they barely beat Westfield and then look at what Centreville did to Westfield last night. I will say without the rain, maybe Westfield could have thrown the ball better and the game would have been a little closer, but counter to that argument, Centreville probably would have scored more too. So I'll give you that Lake Braddock has a shot, because they can score in a shootout, and although Centreville is giving up 5 points a game, they've seen nothing like Braddock's offensive attack. I don't think it's a very good shot though.

With SoCo, no way they hang with Centreville. Their defense is terrible, Centreville will score every possession. They may hit on a few big plays, but I don't like their passing attack nearly as much as Lake Braddock's. SoCo will get destroyed against Braddock in a couple weeks, and if they ever played Centreville would get destroyed too. Looking at like opponents again, SoCo lost to Chantilly, who Centreville beat 42-0.

So it seems that more and more that Centreville is the best of the Northern Region with Lake Braddock possibly dethroning them. How do you think CVille and LB will stack up against the Powers of the south like Oscar Smith and Ocean Lakes? Will they continue on their March to the Sea or are those schools too much for the North to handle?

I don't think Braddock can hang hang with the 6a south powers but centreville certainly could though.

best 5A North team in the Northern Region?

Soco 44 TC 37 final
Someone from soco literally killed 40 from tc

What coaches are on the chopping block right now?
Herndon Coach? Edison Coach? Woodson Coach?

Probably woodsons coach as they are 0-6

Coach's don't really get put on the hot seat often in high school sports. Really the only case is when the coach is really underperforming at a bigger school.

With that said, I have always been a supporter of giving a coach 3 years to establish a program. I think if a coach is losing regularly, the school needs to ask three questions. "Is the program developing character amongst its players? "Are the boys having a good time playing for the coach?" and finally "are the players getting better?" I've seen plenty of 2-8 teams that battle hard every week and I really respect those coaches. When you need 25-30 sound players it is a lot harder to compete for the smaller schools.

By the 3 year standard, I do think the Woodson coach may be on the hot seat. Herndon's coach is highly respected, but his team is playing awful this year when a lot of people thought they would progress some. These coaches all work hard, and not knowing the answer to those 3 questions for any of these coaches, none of us should comment on who should be fired.

Wakefield coach has won 2 games this year, and Falls Church is 4-2. If they can do it so can Woodson and Herndon.

Who do y'all think is the best 6a north team besides centerville/lakebraddock

Besides those two it's still definitely Westfield. They almost beat Braddock and I do think they can give Centreville a better test than last night's showing. Centreville is just so much better than everyone else, and I think they have a real shot at beating one of the 757 teams for a state championship. The scary thing though, is next year is really their year, and most of their studs are juniors.

After Westfield I think you have Chantilly, Langley, and South County. Robinson is okay, but I think they would lose to all 3 of those teams.

Where does Patriot fit into this picture? With them being the Cardinal District placed in the Northern Region there are no common opponents and few have actually seen them play.

"After Westfield I think you have Chantilly, Langley, and South County. Robinson is okay, but I think they would lose to all 3 of those teams."

Don't sleep on JWR. They have an unstoppable running game (two stud RBs and QB), and they can pass enough to keep defenses honest. The new coach has the defensive scheme coming together, too. Sure, they'll lose to C'ville, but I can see them replaying the game in the Region final.

I am not impressed with Robinson 5-1
No signature wins!

The games they have won have been against Woodson, Herndon, Madison, all 0-6, Lee and Mt Vernon, none of these teams will be in contention.

They start the Concord schedule this week, let see what happens.

When it's spelled out like that, Robinson looks pretty bad. Really that weak a schedule for a Concorde team? 3 0-6 teams? Lol. And Lee and Mt. Vernon are garbage too.

We all know Meier can coach, but that was calculated on his part firing the previous coach when they had all these cupcakes on the schedule.

Herndon had a big win over Edison yesterday, they are most certainly not 0-6. Quality win for Robinson.

Anyone who thinks Centreville can hang with a team from the 757 is retarded.

Centreville is a great team and they will definitely come out of the north. Ya LB is shutting out patriot district schools but CVille is shutting out concorde schools, cant hang with them.

Smith, Ocean Lakes, etc would beat Cville just like in 2011. Those schools are no joke

It is just a shame that since Henderson was driven out WP has turned from a constant good football team to a 35 man dead pool. They have no talent on the lower levels and the kids who used to play will not even come out for the current coach. Example, current senior who was a starter on the 2011 district championship team as a linebacker and chose not to play this year. The new coach has the best of intentions, I get what he is trying to do, but this is not Annandale and you can't treat our kids like this and have them go through a wall for you. Our kids have too many people giving them ultimatums they need a coach that cares about them.

steve k2 Wrote:
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> Coach's don't really get put on the hot seat often
> in high school sports. Really the only case is
> when the coach is really underperforming at a
> bigger school.
>
> With that said, I have always been a supporter of
> giving a coach 3 years to establish a program. I
> think if a coach is losing regularly, the school
> needs to ask three questions. "Is the program
> developing character amongst its players? "Are the
> boys having a good time playing for the coach?"
> and finally "are the players getting better?"
> I've seen plenty of 2-8 teams that battle hard
> every week and I really respect those coaches.
> When you need 25-30 sound players it is a lot
> harder to compete for the smaller schools.
>
> By the 3 year standard, I do think the Woodson
> coach may be on the hot seat. Herndon's coach is
> highly respected, but his team is playing awful
> this year when a lot of people thought they would
> progress some. These coaches all work hard, and
> not knowing the answer to those 3 questions for
> any of these coaches, none of us should comment on
> who should be fired.


If you ask me that's not true. Woodson's & Herndon's coaches are in their 3rd year each I believe and Edison's coach is in his 5th or 6th year there. Herndon's coach I can understand that if you pull out one win in the Concorde, then you did a good job. Woodson has been under performing for a while and winning 2 games a year isn't cutting it when that school does have the athletes and numbers in it and competes in a weaker district (with the exception of 2-3 schools a year, this year would be SC and TC). Day will probably stay, but Dishun will probably be axed. As far as Edison goes, they had a great program there until Lewis left and hired the wrong man. Parker alienated a lot of people and a lot of talent and his philosophy speaks in his record at Edison. They were a consistent contender in D5 with the likes of Stone Bridge (I think they faced off in 5-6 straight regional titles at one point) and now he can't even beat Falls Church his former team. Sorry but this man should never have even been there to begin with.

Ain't no way these white schools up here are going to beat one of those nigger schools from the Beach area. Just because you have one or two black runners up here, those nigger Beach teams are loaded with fast blacks. Yes, they may be dumb, but that don't matter much when the athletic talent is so overwhelming on one side. The only prayer you have is the niggers fumble a bunch of times, and start fighting and bickering with each other, and even then it will be hard to beat them.

Oscar Smith Wrote:
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> Ain't no way these high schools up here are going
> to beat one of those high schools from the Beach
> area.

Why would you say that? A "Beach" team has only won 3 of the last 17 state titles. During that same time period "NOVA" teams have won 12.

Yes, I think the top NOVA school can hold their own, but most schools up here wouldn't fare well in a district down there.. Those beach schools are almost all black, except for probably the punter, and some token white guy who has to drive the nigs around in his car.