To RUDE Clifton Pride post Wrote:
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> Clifton pride Wrote:
> >
> > FYI, I've been supporting Clifton's side, you
> > sore, lashing out Clifton parent. We do not own
> a
> > home in West Springfield High School
> boundaries,
> > nor do our kids attend WSHS. We are moving out
> of
> > Virginia. So your comment "It's nice that
> your
> > special school will get the needed renovations"
> is
> > rather snarky. It's not MY special school. It
> is
> > a good school, and it should not have been left
> > out of the renovation list.
> >
> > You don't do Clifton any favors by posting in
> such
> > a way. There are nice Clifton people out
> there
> > who post in a more reasonable manner. They do
> a
> > better job of advocating for Clifton
> Elementary.
>
>
> CHILL....- "your special school" was a genuine
> compliment. The WSHS Rocks poster was very
> passionate about the school... the comment was
> meant in that spirit... "your" = possesive.
> "Special" = it's obviously a special school, per
> the poster's comments about award winning teachers
> & community pride. Sheesh!!!!


You did overreact, Clifton Pride, relax a bit.

All those posters who think closing Clifton is oh so fiscally responsible even though we know no money will be saved, where were you when....

The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for themselves?

The School Board voted to issue a separate bond for SOCO Middle School for $50 million even though there are hundreds of empty seats at neighboring schools?

They installed some fancy monitoring system in the parking garage at Gatehouse so the poor dears don't have to drive around looking for an empty space?

They spent $7.5 million renovating an adult education center (Edsall Park) that teaches needle point and basket weaving even though our schools desperately need renovations?

They spent millions on an addition to Langley rather than send kids who attend Langley but live in Herndon to South Lakes?

Had enough?

Please post all of your angry emails that you sent back then showing your outrage at how they have mismanaged the funds.

What?

You didn't send any?

I see.

For some reason ONLY THIS issue seems to bother you.

Bob, Cassie, Emily, Erik.....where are the emails to SB members? Come on, you guys are activists always doing the right thing when it comes to our schools.

Where are your protests?

Silence.

Figures.

Liz says "jump"....you say "how high".

You are just puppets my friends. And you are too stupid to even know it.

This is not meant to be defensive, just to help broaden perspective. I am a parent of younger preschool kids. I am involved now, out of concern for the traffic and schools (to say nothing of the fact that the school board shouldn't get away with this).

Something about having kids makes one take notice of FCPS and the SB. Wish I had known more of what was happening over these last few years - I would have become involved sooner. We need a way to let all homeowners and commuters know about all this, and the impact it will have. Their tax dollars at work. Where's the press?

>where were you when....? wrote:
>The School Board wanted to borrow $120 million for an office building for >themselves?

Yes, they did, but Pat Herrity (the BOS Southwest Rep) did not support it (along with other Ffx Co. BOS), so the SB had to scrap the plan. Thus, Liz Bradsher decided to get even with Pat, when it came time to renovate Clifton Elem.

WSHS is not being renovated at the expense of Clifton. I suppose it's nice to have someone to blame. WSHS should have been renovated years ago when the SB paid 75,000 to an independant consultant to study the need. The consultant recommended that WSHS be moved to the top of the renovation queue. The SB didn't like that recommendation so they changed the criteria for renovation. In the mean time bradsher prentends to be a friend to WS (fooling only SOAR people while she leads the group) and tries to sell us BS about public private funding that went no where. Just a smoke screen so most would keep their mouths shut while she pushed through her middle school in spite of there being hundreds of newly renovated empty seats at surrounding schools. Thus, we waited a few more years. So WSHS Rocks, don't be fooled. You'll be the only vote she gets in West Springfield.

The New CIP is out.
High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall, then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West Springfield.

West Springfield gets planning money beginning July 2014, with the large amounts of money for actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.

So Bradsher screwed the WSHS SOAR group, too? Welcome to the club...

Sorry to one up you but we were screwed first. You're sloppy seconds in this mess. My condolences.

It's easy to focus on Liz because she is such a buffoon... but back to Tistadt for a moment.

Word on the street is that he said MANY YEARS AGO at a PTA or board meeting or something... "My goal is to close Clifton Elementary before I retire."

Is it possible he saw an opening and then proceeded to completely use Liz knowing that she was up a creek with WSHS (having spent $$ on unneeded SOCO MS instead)?

"Liz... tell ya what... if you get the votes to close CES, we can solve this WSHS debacle."

I don't know... just wondering. and if so... What on earth is his beef with Clifton? A grudge with a resident?

how 'bout these apples?

Misery Lizzie at work with her school board groupie gargoyles and King of the Evil Dominion Dale to put together the vote to torch Clifton for WS.
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New CIP Wrote:
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> The New CIP is out.
> High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> Springfield.
>
> West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.


If this is the case, then West Springfield is still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which already was renovated and received an addition when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is not being closed in order to move West Springfield up to the front of the renovation line. That's just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the communities to fight each other.

Why does Langley always get preferential treatment from FCPS and the school board? Talk about keeping their publicly funded running like a private school...

heck Wrote:
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>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...


You really don't know the answer to that???? Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA as well as all the connected politicians. They get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No one will stand up to the money and power that can be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private school but that is pretty much true about Langley.

Thanks, McLean flunky. Just wanted someone to acknowledge that fact.

So, it's acceptable for Langley to operate as a publicly funded private school, because it's GREAT FALLS/wealthy people. FCPS must do what those important, powerful people want. No one will change Langley's Method of Operation, even when there's vandalism in the cafeteria on their "color day." It's all airbrushed out of the news.

But Clifton is a target because it is a small--though successful--school, with fewer powerful parents to protect it.

Bradsher has lied about this whole thing. The water supply doesn't have the problems they said it did. Cost to renovate is not as much as they said it would be. Cost to build a new replacement is much higher then they said it would be, etc, etc, etc.

As has been asked many times: why is closing CES an obsession with the bozos on the SB? We are missing too many dots to connect them, but the truth is out there somewhere. The only recourse is to stop worrying about why and instead vote all these bozos out and get a new board in there that will stop playing shadowy politics with our kids and our neighborhoods as part of some grand social experiment or a high stakes game of payback and gotcha.

NO renovation construction at West Springfield is planned until at least 2017.

The School Board meeting last night was cancelled by snow but the new CIP powerpoint is on the web site.

Page 10:
New Construction
Elementary School at the Lacey site to be completed in 2012
•South County Middle School to be completed in 2012
Capacity Enhancements
•Additions to eight elementary schools and one middle school as approved in the 2009 bond referendum. Relocation of two modulars

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Part of page 11:
Renovation Construction in 2011: Marshall HS

Construction 2012-2016
•Canterbury Woods ES
•Clermont ES
•Terraset ES
•Sunrise Valley ES
•Garfield ES
•Ravensworth ES
•Terra Centre ES
•Westgate ES
•Woodlawn ES
•Haycock ES
•Sandburg MS
•Thoreau MS
•Jefferson HS
•Langley HS

heck Wrote:
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> New CIP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The New CIP is out.
> > High school renovations: Edison, then Marshall,
> > then Jefferson, then Langley, and then West
> > Springfield.
> >
> > West Springfield gets planning money beginning
> > July 2014, with the large amounts of money for
> > actual renovation coming July 2017 - July 2020.
>
>
> If this is the case, then West Springfield is
> still waiting for renovation behind Langley, which
> already was renovated and received an addition
> when Great Falls parents raised a stink during the
> South Lakes redistricting mess. So Clifton is
> not being closed in order to move West Springfield
> up to the front of the renovation line. That's
> just more lies from Liz Bradsher, to get the
> communities to fight each other.
>
> Why does Langley always get preferential treatment
> from FCPS and the school board? Talk about
> keeping their publicly funded running like a
> private school...

Langley got additions, but the rest of the school wasn't renovated. That's the main reason why it's ahead of West Springfield to be renovated.

You could make a good argument that Langley shouldn't have gotten the additions, and that their goal was to make sure all the kids in Great Falls all the way out to the Loudoun border could go to Langley, rather than Herndon or South Lakes. But the suggestion that West Springfield should be renovated before Langley isn't very convincing.

McLean Flunky Wrote:
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>> You really don't know the answer to that????
> Langley is located in Great Falls. Great Falls is
> home to the millionaires and billionaires of NoVA
> as well as all the connected politicians. They
> get what they want when they want it PERIOD. No
> one will stand up to the money and power that can
> be brought to bear. Bradsher and all her facist
> acolytes think CES is a publicly funded private
> school but that is pretty much true about Langley.

Should have added to prior post that Langley was also built after Edison, Marshall and TJ, but before West Springfield.

But, yes, Langley parents have more influence within FCPS than CES parents. There are more of them, they know how to work behind the scenes, and their School Board member looks after them and doesn't screw them over.

SOAR West Springfield is a committed and active West Springfield community action group working closely with the West Springfield High School PTSA to secure major renovations needed for West Springfield High School.

The SOAR objective is to ensure that West Springfield is included in the Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) school renovation Capital Improvement Program (CIP) with completed renovation by 2016 at the latest, West Springfield High School’s 50th Anniversary.


Come on guys....you saw the emails from Bradsher to Erik Hawkins of SOAR promising them 2011 planning money.

Do you honestly think now that she has destroyed her political future, made enemies of half her voting district, positioned herself to head the facilities committee that she will not do whatever it takes to get West Springfield money somehow, someway???

Don't forget Tistadt's $40 million piggy bank of "savings".

This is not over by any means.

Anyone from SOAR want to make a statement?

THIS WHACKO is representing the rest of us in the boundary study in Annandale & will advise the School Board??

PISS OFF.
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Wait, Cassie is an FCPS employee (fcps.edu e-mail address)? I didn't think FCPS employees were allowed on the FPAC group. How the heck did she get around that one?

So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are on a decline, but are being held artificially high through the use of larger boundaries and expensive buses.

Close it for the greater good of the county.

Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail in the CLifton ES coffin.

Spfld Mom Wrote:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.


Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The fact that you admit your from that hell hole proves your IQ is below room temperature. Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th grade education) have sectioned themselves off by adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.

Spfld Mom Wrote:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.


Please site your sources/facts for declining enrollment. Are you talking about Cassie's email? HAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA - good one. Try again.

Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
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>
> Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old. A
> grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> there (you know, the ones with better than a 4th
> grade education) have sectioned themselves off by
> adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.


Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.

Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of them.

Take care!

Interesting renovation schedule according to Patch:

Clermont Elem. 2013 470 studentshttp://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/school-renovations-may-be-moved-up

a sample:
Terraset 2013 421 students
Garfield 2013 337 students
Bucknell 2016 293 students!

H8 Clifton Wrote:
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> Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A mom
> > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
> A
> > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32. The
> > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> 4th
> > grade education) have sectioned themselves off
> by
> > adding "North" or "West" in front of Shitfield.
>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!


And you know the above was written by someone in Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move along.

Yep, Garfield is older (1952 vs. 1953) than Clifton and just as small, with less students, yet it gets renovated and Clifton doesn't, go figure. There are several schools within spitting distance of Garfield, but Clifton is far away from another school. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What IS the SB's obsession with closing Clifton???? What is the actual monetary reason? There IS something shady going on.

Spfld Mom Wrote:
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> So, the enrollment numbers at Clifton actually are
> on a decline, but are being held artificially high
> through the use of larger boundaries and expensive
> buses.
>
> Close it for the greater good of the county.
>
> Thanks for sharing that email. It's another nail
> in the CLifton ES coffin.


Riddle me this, Batgirl:

Expensive buses?
The same kids now have to be bussed FURTHER. Let's check out the transportation study to gifure out the real new costs.
Oh, right - there isn't one.

Larger boundaries?
Have you SEEN the Union Mill, Sangster and Fairview - forget the others - boundaries these geniuses have proposed?
Hint: Guess 'HUGE' and you'll be close - now just have MORE schools with larger boundaries than just one rural school.

Declining Enrollment?
FCPS SB said Clifton would have 348 kids this year. They started with 366 {same as last year} and have ADDED 4 kids. That's "up", blondie. 370 out of 374. 99% full - right in the target of that 95%-105% target they want to sardine in everyone's kids
FCPS, sorry, you failed this test. They'll probably just call "opposite year!".
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H8 Clifton Wrote:

>
>
> Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
>
> Our kids will welcome some of your mini-rascists
> at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> them.
>
> Take care!

What was racist about what the posted said? Just an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to be honest, there isn't much that can be said good about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of decay. See Springfield Mall for an example. Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized itself and expanded while SM has turned into a crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13 gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.

Sangster Wrote:
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> What was racist about what the posted said? Just
> an anti-Springfield rant. And, if you're going to
> be honest, there isn't much that can be said good
> about Springfield. It's old and crumbling with a
> few pockets of goodness awash in an ocean of
> decay. See Springfield Mall for an example.
> Older than Tyson's, yet Tyson's has revitalized
> itself and expanded while SM has turned into a
> crime haven full of prostitutes and MS13
> gangbangers <====not racist, just true BTW.

Not that I've set foot in Springfield Mall for years, but it was opened after Tysons, though before the Galleria.

It's a shame that Landmark and Springfield Mall have such lousy reputations now. Where do fashionable ladies like Liz Bradsher go to buy their protective gear? Fair Oaks?

herewegoagain Wrote:
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> H8 Clifton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Springfield = Ghetto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Anyone from Springfield is a hillbilly. A
> mom
> > > from Springfield is, on average, 15 years old.
>
> > A
> > > grandma in Springfield is, on average, 32.
> The
> > > fact that you admit your from that hell hole
> > > proves your IQ is below room temperature.
> > > Springfield sucks so bad that the upper class
> > > there (you know, the ones with better than a
> > 4th
> > > grade education) have sectioned themselves
> off
> > by
> > > adding "North" or "West" in front of
> Shitfield.
> >
> >
> > Typical bigoted and rascist Cliftonite.
> >
> > Our kids will welcome some of your
> mini-rascists
> > at Sangster, and then pummel the hell out of
> > them.
> >
> > Take care!
>
>
> And you know the above was written by someone in
> Clifton because???? You DON'T! So STFU and move
> along.


I'm noticing a pattern in the posts. It involves 3 steps.

1. Liz or her buddy posts a Lizzy-loving post. For example, "Liz is the best" or "Clifton people, just get over it and move on!"

2. Same person then posts a hateful, angry message. This one is crafted to sound like an angry Clifton parent or resident. Hate spews from this message.

3. Same person then pretends to be a shocked reader, remarks how AWFUL Clifton people are. Don't forget to throw in the word "elite" for good measure.

All designed to point out how HORRIBLE people from Clifton are acting.

Just keep in mind that things are not always as they seem.
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Why would Liz care what anyone says about her on this discussion board?

Just anotehr fine example of how those who reply on this discussion board are out of touch with reality.

While I find the e-mails posted as part of the VaFOIA request interesting, I can only image what the e-mails from the Clifton supports look like. I would be interesting to see how objective thse replies were. Where are they?

That said, as an outsider looking in, I can agree that FCPS has a lot to offer but that it also has a lot that needs repair. I just don't beleive that anyone is going to be heard (their "voices") when they take such an negative and attacking position. Additionally, has it ever occured to any of you that facilities is the one who is paid to make the decisions here? If you want change, perhaps the best place to start is to convince facilities of the need for the change (or convince the scool board that they need a new superintendant).

Cheers, and enjoy the 1/2 empty glass of whatever it is you are drinking (becuase I could use some too).

Sorry, but if you think that "facilities" are making all the decisions, you're wrong. Not to say that Jack Dale and Tisdadt don't need to go, they do, but the SB is pulling the strings.

And if staff and facilities are making all the decisions, that's a problem. The SB is elected to represent it's constituents, and make the decisions based on the needs of taxpayers, yes, all taxpayers.

Since everyone that is in favor of closing Clifton seems to be unable to understand why Clifton parents are upset, please explain to us exactly who benefits from closing this school?

The kids? Not likely. How will they benefit? Because they'll make more friends? They also lose touch with the friends they already have, so that's a wash. Better education because they go to a different school? Not likely. There's not much room for improvement in their current education. Not bragging, just a fact. Will the kids "suffer"? Of course not, but they certainly won't benefit either.
So, will the parents/taxpayers benefit? How? By paying more $$ for more additions and longer/more expensive bus rides for the students? How does that benefit parents or taxpayers?
Do the schools receiving the kids/additions benefit? How? By increasing the size of already large schools and reducing the amount of resources at those schools? How does that benefit the receiving schools?
Do property owners benefit? How? By possibly reducing their property values in an already unstable market?
Does Fairfax County as a whole benefit? How???? If property values in Clifton reduce, that's a reduction in tax revenue from the personal property taxes on those properties. Even a MINOR reduction in tax revenue makes a difference to the entire county. Does the county benefit as a whole by reducing transportation costs? We don't know since the SB has yet to do an in depth transportation study.
Do taxpayers benefit by not dumping more money into CES? According to FCPS documents, it's not any more expensive to operate CES than any other school in the County, and in fact, CES costs far less than many other schools in the County.

So, I ask again - WHO BENEFITS FROM CLOSING THIS SCHOOL??? Anybody?

If there is one single LOGICAL, HONEST reason that this school should be closed, we'd really like to hear it. Seriously, we'd like to hear it.

None of the reasons cited by FCPS for closure are based on reliable, consistent data. I think some of the other areas involved in the SW Boundary Study are experiencing that now. Enrollment figures vary on every single document presented by FCPS. How are we supposed to trust any of it?

We all want the same thing - to do what is best for our kids. So, tell us how closing this school will benefit ANY KIDS IN THE COUNTY, and we'll listen. Closing CES was supposed to benefit other schools so they could move up in the renovation queue, but WSHS is still not expected to receive renovation funding until 2017. So how do they benefit? They could have taken CES's spot on the queue and received funding much sooner.

So - WHO BENEFITS?????

If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES closed to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB is running the show, why then is WSHS not getting the renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?

It makes little sense to assume that the SB is running the shpw. They run the show to the extent that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff) and perhaps they provide some direction here and there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite clear that facilities runs the show and the SB merely file suite.

As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a matter of cost per student as far as I can tell. While the best solution may have been to do nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was squashed by a few who really fought against the Liberty site because they didn't want a new school in their area. Quite a shame!

Okay. So we have no SB. Sounds like a HUGE problem if the school board is not doing its job. They just let Dale and Tisdale do their jobs?

riddle_me_this_batman? Wrote:
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> If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES closed
> to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB is
> running the show, why then is WSHS not getting the
> renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
>
> It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> running the shpw. They run the show to the extent
> that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked staff)
> and perhaps they provide some direction here and
> there, but from where I'm sitting it seems quite
> clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> merely file suite.
>
> As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is about
> finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was a
> matter of cost per student as far as I can tell.
> While the best solution may have been to do
> nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone and
> build a new 800 seat elementary school. That was
> squashed by a few who really fought against the
> Liberty site because they didn't want a new school
> in their area. Quite a shame!

Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new school in their area?" Please get your facts straight. For one, the new school was first poised to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding very far away. That makes no sense. So it was challenged. Keep in mind that other residents (Union Mill area) also did not want another school nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing Clifton and moving all students to the new school were not valid. Then, it was found that there was asbestos on the site of the proposed new school. You make it sound like Clifton residents turned down an offer to build a nice new school in place of the existing one. That was not what happened.

Has Liz Bradsher publically said that she will not run next year?

Liz Bradsher will move out of Virginia. Nobody likes her except the ABC store.

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Wait, Cassie is an FCPS employee (fcps.edu e-mail
> address)? I didn't think FCPS employees were
> allowed on the FPAC group. How the heck did she
> get around that one?

Dunno but she wanted to rule the data and facts
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

The only running Liz will be doing is to "RUN AWAY!"
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> Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new
> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.


A new school >>> in the right location! <<< is exactly what should have been done all along.

Instead, the school board wasted a year of everyone's time (robbing tax payers) to all Liz Bradsher and Dean Tistadt and Jack Dale and everyone else to close Clifton.

It is criminal, fraud, waste, abuse and now affecting everyone's kids. And a new school on an asbestos field was the best choice? This is what "staff" advocated for and recommended.

So, now we just get to jam our kids into planned obsolescence in crammed schools with no plans for the future.

Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions and billions.
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FCPS, Fraud and You wrote:
>Great vision. Thanks a million. I mean, a billion. Wrong again, I mean billions >and billions.


More like billions and billions spent.
Thanks to Jack Dale [aka Jacknald McDonDale].
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FCPS, Fraud and You Wrote:
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. Then, it was found that there
> was
> > asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.

Damn, that stuff is all over Little Rocky Run and Clifton. Glad I didn't buy a house in those poison infested homes lots.

This guy is truly sick and embarrassing.
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Check this out - what a tool.
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Liz Bradsher is a drunk and a dumb one at that. Has the FCPS system looked at her emails? Yikes, this is the lady who cares about our kids? She is a bad example of what is happening in our schools! She needs to be fired.

Hey Jack Dale, get off your ass and do something for a change.

'nuf said
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ah, I see the childish whining continues. I wanna play too.

a sing along:
-
sha na na na,

sha na na na,

hey hey.

good bye

clifton ES

The difference between Langley and Clifton is that Langley has Strauss protecting it and Clifton has Bradsher stomping on it.

Enough SAID....

New school was not a bone Wrote:
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> riddle_me_this_batman? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you are so convinced that Liz wanted CES
> closed
> > to move WSHS up for renovation and that the SB
> is
> > running the show, why then is WSHS not getting
> the
> > renovation money until 2017 in the CIP?
> >
> > It makes little sense to assume that the SB is
> > running the shpw. They run the show to the
> extent
> > that the picked Dr. Dale (who then picked
> staff)
> > and perhaps they provide some direction here
> and
> > there, but from where I'm sitting it seems
> quite
> > clear that facilities runs the show and the SB
> > merely file suite.
> >
> > As to who benefits, I'm not sure that it is
> about
> > finding out who benefits and who doesn't. It was
> a
> > matter of cost per student as far as I can
> tell.
> > While the best solution may have been to do
> > nothing at all, I honestly believe that staff
> > wanted to throw the Clifton community a bone
> and
> > build a new 800 seat elementary school. That
> was
> > squashed by a few who really fought against the
> > Liberty site because they didn't want a new
> school
> > in their area. Quite a shame!
>
> Who says Clifton residents "DIDN'T WANT a new
> school in their area?" Please get your facts
> straight. For one, the new school was first poised
> to be 950 students to help offset overcrowding
> very far away. That makes no sense. So it was
> challenged. Keep in mind that other residents
> (Union Mill area) also did not want another school
> nearby - there are already so many on a two-lane
> road. In addition, the reasons cited for closing
> Clifton and moving all students to the new school
> were not valid. Then, it was found that there was
> asbestos on the site of the proposed new school.
> You make it sound like Clifton residents turned
> down an offer to build a nice new school in place
> of the existing one. That was not what happened.


Didn't Liz tell WSHS....2011 is yours?

With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms. Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that the lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all to themselves?

And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that who this school is named after?
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Liz the Lush Wrote:
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> 'nuf said


This made me laugh so hard the mid-day cocktail I was drinking came out of my nose.

Klifton Kids Wrote:
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> ah, I see the childish whining continues. I wanna
> play too.
>
> a sing along:
> -
> sha na na na,
>
> sha na na na,
>
> hey hey.
>
> good bye
>
> clifton ES


Good one... just replace "Clifton ES" with "Liz Bradsher".

Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new members we will be able to save this school. However, let's not forget the small victories:

1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again. She has noone but herself to blame.

2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.

These emails reveal, unfortunately, what a bunch of doofuses we have running what is SUPPOSED to be one of the best school districts in the country.

There are some positives.

Something about her eyes scare me? Too much Botox?

benefits Wrote:
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> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>

You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.

She will screw you behind your back. You think you are so smart. Ha Ha

Liz is supporting teaching adults these classes as high school students but won't educate school-age children in her own district?

I'm your money man if looking for cost savings, because programs like this need to take a back seat {really, back of the line if ever} to educating the children of the county.
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More budget cuts.

https://aceclasses.fcps.edu/SubjectListing.aspx?CategoryID=10255&ProgramID=191&ProgCatgName=Opening+New+Doors&IsCourse=1&SubjectID=10283&AreaName=Opening+New+Doors
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Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
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> With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that the
> lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all to
> themselves?
>
> And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference I
> could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> who this school is named after?

You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.

$48,000 for an elementary school track? Ahem. We used to run on the field and on the playground when I was in elementary school. I guess it's good to train them to run around in circles. Never too early for that.

Blah, Blah, Blah. Another one always talking about.."When I was in school....."

Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to health and fitness.

PE Teacher Wrote:
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> Blah, Blah, Blah. Another one always talking
> about.."When I was in school....."
>
> Think forward. Nothing wrong with a commitment to
> health and fitness.


Why do so many P.E. teachers end up being perverts? You sound like all the other pervert P.E. teachers out there. Between the drama teachers hitting on the gay boys and the P.E. teachers hitting on 12 y.o. girls, our schools are full of frustrated old pervert losers. Let's fire them all and have only women as drama teachers and eunuchs as P.E. teachers. Frickin perverts.

Am I reading this right? Two months ago, Facilities approved an additional 270 "dwelling units" in the Eagle View boundary? Estimated 64 additional students - hmmm.... 270 homes = 37 elementary students. That's interesting math. In exchange for $600k to do IMPROVEMENTS to the schools? I thought Eagle View was maxed out?

http://www.fcps.edu/fts/impacts/86-w-001.pdf

Good grief. Forgive me for being naive, but does this strike anyone as odd? A: estimating only 37 elementary students for 270 units? B: allowing ADDITIONAL development in an overcrowded district?

Is this how we got into this overcrowding mess in the first place?
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Here comes more free lunch and cell phones to passed down to us, the taxpayers. Let's keep the fun coming here in Fairfax.

We want to see more FOIA emails!

Drug Test 4 U wrote:

benefits Wrote:
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> Hopefully, after 2011 elections, with SANE new
> members we will be able to save this school.
> However, let's not forget the small victories:
>
> 1. Liz is done, caput, finished, game over, put a
> fork in her, she will never SERVE anywhere again.
> She has noone but herself to blame.
>
> 2. After Dale's contract expires, he is also
> unemployable. Ditto for Tistadt.
>

You are smoking fucking crack if you believe a small village of elitists can have an effect on the election. The number of constituents who benefited are far larger than you all, and we vote.


I wonder if the "other constituents" are happy with the expenditures for ACE classes on how to tailor a wardrobe and how to choose eyeglasses? I wonder if they are happy with the new fees that this SB has imposed on them? I wonder if they are happy with the SW Boundary Study and how it is being conducted? I wonder if they are happy with larger class sizes in their schools? How about fewer janitors in the schools? How about happiness with money spent on a new middle school for 300 students? I'm not so sure how dang "benefited" others are feeling. How about the teachers who might not get a raise? They vote (there are 10K employees of FCPS and they definitely vote---as do their spouses). Hey, maybe that's why Dale wants to give them a raise this year? Election year politics. Disenfranchised are more likely to vote this year. Just wait.

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Cain, Debora L.
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 7:47:43 AM
Subject: FW: Voter support

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Here is a good one for you.

Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
________________________________

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:38 AM
To: 'Connie Milliken'
Subject: RE: Voter support


Dear Mrs. Miliken,

I will do what I believe is right for the students of the Southwestern Study area and for the students of this District. Yes, I won with close to 63% of the vote, more than any other candidate, including Mr. Herrity. There are many other precincts where I also had a strong presence.

Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070

________________________________

From: Connie Milliken [mailto:cemail_219@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 1:39 AM
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Subject: Voter support


Mrs. Bradsher,

Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.

Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.

Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.

If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.

Thank you.

________________________________

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: lkadler@cox.net; rrobertory1@earthlink.net
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/14/2010 6:58:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Voter support

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I wrote her back with a one sentence remark. Also spoke with her countless times on the issue.

I realize now we live in a great community. Clifton has brought this realization into perspective for me.
Liz

________________________________

From: Connie Milliken
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Mon Jun 14 01:38:47 2010
Subject: Voter support


Mrs. Bradsher,

Based on the November 2009 General Election and the Special Election June 8, out of the 25 precincts in the Springfield District, Clifton cast the highest number of total votes. In the November 2007 election for Board of Education Members, you received the highest number of total votes for your current Board of Education seat from the Clifton precinct.

Clifton not only has one of the highest total numbers of registered voters who turn out to vote within the Springfield District, there are also children in attendance at Clifton Elementary that live in the areas of the Fairfax Station, Fountainhead, Popes Head and Woodyard precincts which, combined, account for a significant voter base in the Springfield District. If you close Clifton Elementary, an even larger number of voters in this area will likely be highly motivated to turn out to vote.

Little Rocky Run also has a strong voting presence.

If you want to keep Clifton open, NOW is the time for you to stand up and start showing that you want to find ways to keep Clifton open. The voters in these areas are seasoned, informed voters. If you wait until voting time and then cast your vote last and it will be one to save Clifton, no one will be buying it then.


Thank you.


________________________________

Bradsher insults Clifton because they are trying to keep their school from being closed. Can you imagine Silverbrook or Sangster parents just sitting back and letting their own representative on the School Board close their neighborhood schools, without a fight? She is delusional.

lol, threatening her with votes didn't work out real well, did it?

Of course it didn't - because even with all the Tea Partiers voting in KKKlifton, it is still only one small district out of many.

What a bunch of dumbass KKKonservatives you KKKliftonites are!!!

Say good by to your 1950's era school.

Sangster PTA Wrote:
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> Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With such attractive folks as the lovely Ms.
> > Kinsey as the principle, is it any wonder that
> the
> > lucky parents at Sangster want to keep her all
> to
> > themselves?
> >
> > And who is Sangster anyway. The only reference
> I
> > could find is a a corrupt Jamaican PM. Is that
> > who this school is named after?
>
> You didn't look very hard. Mr. Sangster is a
> philanthropist and the spirit of giving is alive
> and well at Sangster E.S. as evidenced by the
> $48,000 the parents just raised to build a track
> at the school. So, keep espousing your ignorance
> and hate. Those welcoming arms can go away real
> quick. Would hate to think Bradsher was right.


Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey was written by some smartass high schooler who has nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess he's laughing at you for falling right in...

Once a Bitch, always a Bitch. This Bitch needs to go ASAP.

Yikes - bristle much, Bradsher?

I hate to admit it, but Liz is a little scary.
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>
>
> Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms. Kinsey
> was written by some smartass high schooler who has
> nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> he's laughing at you for falling right in...

Backpedaling I see.

Here's an editorial written by Liz on October 21, 2010:

The highlights.....

Don't let facts get in way of a good op-ed


Years ago, newspaper editors would verify submissions to their papers. This resulted in editorials and opinion pieces that provided factual information while affording differing views. No pun intended, but "Times" have certainly changed. Today many op-ed articles are indeed full of opinion, but too often these articles lack factual information.


Clifton Elementary School has 366 students and all students can be moved to successful nearby schools without the necessity of additions or renovations.

Inaccurate op-ed pieces serve little -- if any -- benefit to the reader; they are misleading and dishonest, and encourage false public perception. Facts matter, and our students and taxpayers deserve decisions based upon thoughtful review -- not baseless accusations.

Elizabeth T. Bradsher, Fairfax

County School Board, Springfield District

hahahaha....you read it straight from the Queen B's lips.....no additions or renovations will be necessary.

Sangster PTA Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> Kinsey
> > was written by some smartass high schooler who
> has
> > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I guess
> > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
>
> Backpedaling I see.


I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other than that, I know nothing about her. I still don't know who Sangster was as the school's website doesn't seem to mention it at all.

Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close this school is the first domino to fall that will affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and most of the parents in those schools are either ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes. Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed idiots like you.

Sangster's Playboy Bunny Wrote:
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> Sangster PTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, this is FFU. The comment about Ms.
> > Kinsey
> > > was written by some smartass high schooler
> who
> > has
> > > nothing better to do than stir the pot. I
> guess
> > > he's laughing at you for falling right in...
> >
> > Backpedaling I see.
>
>
> I didn't write this, so I'm not backpedaling on
> anything douche. The chick is butt ugly. Other
> than that, I know nothing about her. I still
> don't know who Sangster was as the school's
> website doesn't seem to mention it at all.
>
> Not everyone who posts here is from Clifton. The
> obsession of Bradsher and her toadies to close
> this school is the first domino to fall that will
> affect over a dozen of other schools. Schools all
> over Southwestern FFX are going to be affected and
> most of the parents in those schools are either
> ambivalent or downright hostile to these changes.
> Few actually support it. Just the load-mouthed
> idiots like you.


AH, HAHAHA! You are so easily provoked.

a complete crack-up that these glass-house dwellers throw stones that Clifton advocates are at issue - seems the goon squad around Bradsher are bottom of the barrel. But then, you are the company you keep, so it suits her.


From: Lisa Adler
To: "'Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)'"
Subject: RE: Save our school! We're not playing nice anymore.
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:34:57 -0400

...Too bad you can’t elude to the fact that they are genetically engineering their community.

Who is Lisa Adler? I'm guessing she's another West Springfield High grad/Bradsher goonie on SOAR, along with Robertory and Albo.

Does she work for FCPS?

What is Pat Herrity's role in closing Clifton Elem? He stood by and did nothing. He was part of getting SoCo Middle School built. He went to West Springfield HS, and knew about SOAR's efforts to get Clifton Elem shut down so that funds could be directed back to WSHS. All the while, he was "working" with the Clifton parents, what a backstabber!

not funny Wrote:
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> Who is Lisa Adler? I'm guessing she's another
> West Springfield High grad/Bradsher goonie on
> SOAR, along with Robertory and Albo.
>
> Does she work for FCPS?


I thought there was a Lisa Adler who works for some county youth office. Maybe it a different Lisa Adler.

Have HAD it! Never saw this - She was collecting votes to close CES back in June? The whole thing was a lie and now LRR is going to pay - even though she said making our big school bigger wasn't a good idea.

No wonder Clifton is pissed.
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Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
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>
> No wonder Clifton is pissed.


Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the votes to do anything about it.

rotflmao

WSHS ROX! Wrote:
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> Fed Up in LRR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > No wonder Clifton is pissed.
>
>
> Too bad you the Clifton cry babies don't have the
> votes to do anything about it.
>
> rotflmao


Once you graduate from high school, which judging from your spelling and grammar, could be a while, come back and join the discussion. Until then, go away troll.

However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP, WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at the earliest!

SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz Bradsher, out of office.

so much for waiting for the subcommittee to turn in their report, hold a public hearing, legitimately evaluate alll information and THEN decide.

apparently too risky to do it right, just needed to get it done it their way.


'i am not a crook' will be bradsher's next campaign slogan - what about tistadt?
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Did Liz go to Vanderbilt or Vanbytheriver?
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herewegoagain Wrote:
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>
> However, speaking of WSHS, they are still getting
> screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a graduate
> of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've supported
> both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher got
> SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters to
> the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could be
> moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> the earliest!
>
> SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and get
> that nightmare of a so-called representative, Liz
> Bradsher, out of office.


This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new" renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in South County and Langley's renovations still have priority. Closing Clifton does not "help" anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
To: James, Denise
CC:
Subject: Re: Clifton Elementary School
Date: 6/4/2010 2:35:52 PM

I have a splitting headache. Can I call you on the meeting--

he claimed the process was flawed and staff ill prepared.

Sigh...

________________________________________
From: James, Denise
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 14:32:14 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School

His comments completely ignore the realities of the site - if we don’t want to renovate on the site due to topographical and water constraints, where is the logic in building a new school at the Clifton site? - how was your rendez-vous with Charlie at “high-noon†?

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:29 PM
To: James, Denise
Subject: Fw: Clifton Elementary School

More for your day...

________________________________________
From: Hollaway, William R.
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Fri Jun 04 12:57:30 2010
Subject: RE: Clifton Elementary School
Liz,

I really appreciate the fact that you are thinking deeply through these issues.

It seems to me that there has to be a way to drive the cost per student number down, which seems to be a concern. With creative minds, it seems like we could figure out a way to have the school hold the number of students that it has held for the past 10 years, and not design it down to a smaller number. Engineers and contractors I have spoken with that have looked at the plans believe it could be done. Also, I heard that the Staff has come up with a new plan to design a smaller, tailored school for the Liberty/Union Mill site. The Staff's creativity could be applied to the Clifton Elementary site as well. The new smaller school they have come up with likely would fit on the Clifton site. (note that the footprint in square feet is larger than the typical model school.) If the Staff really wants to build a new structure instead of using an existing structure, I could get behind that approach.

The real issue is the location. It is not about the building itself (old/new/renovated). The Clifton Elementary site is a great location, for many reasons. That is why the community is so passionate about this issue. The Liberty/Union Mill site is a poor location for a new elementary school. The right location that is needed for the overcrowding hasn't been acquired by FCPS yet.

It would be a shame to destroy a great school, build a compromised school, and lose the opportunity to build the right school.

I think we can do better and that there are enough smart people amount the group of us to put a plan together that will work for everyone.

I would like to work with you to craft a solution that will be a win-win for all of us. There is enough flexibility here to make it happen.

I am at your disposal if you ever want to meet or talk.

- Bill

William R. Hollaway, Ph.D.

Open process, all input carefully considered - my eye!
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jjj Wrote:
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> herewegoagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > However, speaking of WSHS, they are still
> getting
> > screwed. It's really too bad, too. As a
> graduate
> > of WSHS and current parent at CES, I've
> supported
> > both schools. Interesting that Liz Bradsher
> got
> > SOAR fired up and ready to write those letters
> to
> > the SB urging them to close CES so WSHS could
> be
> > moved up the queue. Yet according to the CIP,
> > WSHS won't start any renovations until 2017, at
> > the earliest!
> >
> > SOAR/WSHS and Clifton need to join forces and
> get
> > that nightmare of a so-called representative,
> Liz
> > Bradsher, out of office.
>
>
> This is how it seemed to me, too. The "new"
> renovation date for WSHS isn't that much of a
> change. Seems like Liz's new middle school in
> South County and Langley's renovations still have
> priority. Closing Clifton does not "help"
> anyone's school, and it certainly doesn't help the
> current students of Clifton Elementary. Why not
> keep Clifton open for another 2 years? They
> could re-evaluate the situation in 2013.


HWGA and JJJ,

Right you are! WSHS has been geting screwed for years. Liz just dangles the carrot so the community shuts up about her middle school. SOAR is a ruse of HERS.

1. FOIA this Wilson AOL email account and sanction both Bradsher and Wilson for deliberately using PERSONAL email accounts for school business.

2. FOIA Meaghan Keifer AND Michael Frey emails regarding Clifton.

Word to the wise. If you think Liz is a political ally you are sadly misinformed. She is toxic and you will go down in a ball of fire with her. Your political future will end.

Albo, Frey, Hyland, Smith, Gibson, Wilson and whoever is dumb enough to plot and destroy communities with lies and deceit, you have destroyed the public's confidence in government, BEWARE.

We are mad and we will even the score come election day.

You can't fix stupid.
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Hey Fed up in LRR:

Why is the Springfield District School Board representative sending back door email to the Sully District Board of Supervisor's chief of staff?

Smell that? This just got a lot stinkier. Thought this was a contained oil spill to the School Board reps - leaking into the Sups offices too?

Oh boy.

Thanks for the e-mails. I think I should show them to my 5th grader. He can then see with his own eyes that the SB does not care about him or his school.

I think am going to let him slack off the rest of the year at Clifton. He is super bright and I think he deserves it.

FCPS can kiss my ass.

Braddock residents (and especially the co-maligned W/F/OV 'hi-jacker' parents), and PTA Presidents like Nell Hurley, presenting Braddock's own SB member, Tessie Wilson (with apologies for clepping the picture from previous post, it was too good not to use!)
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Who Needs Wikileaks When We Have E-mail?
Newly public e-mails give a behind-the-scenes look at School Board decision to close Clifton.

By Julia O'Donoghue
Tuesday, December 21, 2010


While the world frets over the diplomatic fallout that could come from Wikileaks releasing less-than-polite remarks foreign dignitaries have made about each other, a smaller tempest has started to gain momentum right here in the halls of Fairfax County's local government.

The Clifton Elementary School parent community used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire hundreds of e-mails sent to and from some Fairfax County School Board members earlier this year. Members of the Clifton RED group had hoped to stumble upon a "smoking gun" with regard to the School Board's vote to close their local elementary school.

Members of the School Board, which voted 9-2 in July to shutter Clifton, have said they decided to close the school because its facility renovation costs per student were significantly higher than average. The school system also needs to spend its limited capital dollars on projects that will affect a greater number of students, they said.

But the Clifton community, which offered to take a significantly scaled-back renovation or forego a building upgrade altogether, said they have proved the costs could be kept under control. Many Clifton community members have decided that some School Board members have ulterior motives for closing their school.

They filed a request for the School Board members' e-mails in order to try to shed more light on what was behind the vote to close Clifton Elementary.

THE NEWLY-PUBLIC e-mail correspondence, which The Connection acquired from Clifton parents, uncovered candid but sometimes impolitic remarks between School Board members, staff and constituents.

After all, U.S. officials merely called France's President Nicolas Sarkozy vain in the cables By Wikileaks. Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer Dean Tistadt suggested that Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) was acting so strangely that he might be using crack cocaine.

Although no doubt Tistadt meant the comment to be humorous, in email, it’s difficult to tell.

"It must be nice to live in a world where you can make up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel around your little universe. I think we have enough evidence here for a search warrant to check his house for crack," wrote Tistadt about Herrity in an e-mail to School Board members and staff.

Tistadt, who has clashed with Herrity over the school system's facilities budget, preferred not to comment on any specific e-mails he might have sent, though he said it is likely he made a few jokes that he now regrets.

"I do have a tendency to banter, and I am sure some of those e-mails are going to be a little bit embarrassing," said Tistadt in an interview.

Herrity, for one, isn't laughing about Tistadt’s comment.

"It is extremely unprofessional and I am weighing what my options are," he said. "I am weighing what my response will be. You have to take a deep breath about these things so you don't overreact."

The Springfield supervisor suggested that Tistadt, one of the most public and powerful figures on the school system's staff, not only owed Herrity an apology but should also be reprimanded by the school board for making the comment in the first place.

"I know that [Fairfax County Executive Director] Tony Griffin and the Board of Supervisors wouldn't put up with that from a county employee. I certainly wouldn't put up with that from one of my employees in the private sector. This was copied to the superintendent and to School Board members," said Herrity.

Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee) agreed with Herrity, calling it a "highly unprofessional and inappropriate way to communicate."

"You don't say something like that. And if you are going to, you sure as heck don't put it in an e-mail," said McKay.

McKay said it was unlikely that a personal gaffe would have such a substantial impact on government operations between the county and the school system.

"I don't think any of the parties involved in these particular exchanges were surprised to find out how they felt about each other," said McKay.

STILL, this wasn't the only personal attack that came to light in the e-mails acquired by the Clifton community. School Board member Liz Bradsher (Springfield) sarcastically remarked that Herrity seemed to think he "walked on water" in one e-mail to school staff.

Bradsher was also publicly attacked in mass mailings by former Clifton Mayor Tom Petersen and Del. Tim Hugo (R-40), who accused the School Board member of "throwing Clifton under the bus" by supporting their Clifton school's closure. Bradsher, who represents Clifton, made the motion that lead to the school board vote to close the school.

Bradsher said Herrity and others not only made her decision to support the school's closure personal but also distributed factually incorrect information in the weeks leading up to the vote.

"I am pretty passionate and emotional about this because it has been so difficult on me personally," said Bradsher.

Bradsher said friends and supporters who wrote sympathetic e-mails to her during the Clifton school closing debate have subsequently been harassed by some Clifton school supporters, since they're e-mails were made public during the Freedom Of Information Request.

"A lot of people from Annandale boundary study won't e-mail me because they are afraid. Anybody who disagrees with Clifton has been painted a villain," said Bradsher.

FOR THEIR PART, the Clifton School community said they feel betrayed by Bradsher. The Springfield School Board member not only voted to close their school, but they believe the acquired e-mails prove she had made up her mind months in advance, when she was telling the Clifton community she was still undecided.

In e-mails prior to the vote, Bradsher does appear to be irritated with many of the Clifton school supporters, taking a sarcastic tone when she describes them to other School Board members and staff.

In several instances, she refers to Clifton school supporters as "flippers" when forwarding their letters to her School Board staff assistant for example.

But the e-mails reveal that Clifton residents are also not always on their best behavior either.

"I did something they don’t like and they are really upset. They are really upset and just irrational about it. They have called me some really negative names and terms," said Bradsher, who lives in Fairfax Station.

BUT PERHAPS THE most serious accusations the Clifton community has made against Bradsher is that she closed their elementary school solely for political gain.

Bradsher has made no secret of her interest in being on the Board of Supervisors and finding money to renovate West Springfield High School in the next couple of years would go a long way toward locking down some votes in the Springfield district, said Clifton residents.

West Springfield, which opened in the late 1960s, has never had a true building renovation. A few large-scale facility failings since 2008, including a sagging roof and warped floor, had gotten the attention of the surrounding community, who subsequently formed SOAR, an advocacy group devoted to getting the high school renovated.

"Liz Bradsher clearly made a deal with the devil and with SOAR. She told them she would close Clifton and get them moved up in the [schools’ capital plan]," said Kate Farrell, a spokesperson for Clifton RED, in an interview.

Farrell and others point to some of Bradsher’s e-mails as proof that the Springfield School Board member closed Clifton to benefit West Springfield.

In several e-mails, Bradsher advises Erik Hawkins, the head of SOAR, on how to strategically gain the most favor with the school board.

She also suggests SOAR members write the School Board right before the Clifton vote to remind them about the importance of conserving money in the schools’ capital fund so West Springfield and others receive funding sooner rather than later.

SOAR coordinated its letter writing campaign on the capital budget to coincide with the vote to close Clifton Elementary.

"And now I think we need to start with the SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8," said Hawkins in an e-mail to other SOAR members and elected officials.

IN CLOSING CLIFTON, the School Board has been able to push up some of its renovation and new construction projects, including work planned for West Springfield High School, said Tistadt.

"Of high schools, Langley moved up a year or two and West Springfield moved up two or three years," said Tistadt, who added that the decision to close down an alternative high school in Falls Church and the downturn in the construction market has also helped accelerate renovation projects.

West Springfield is also not the sole school in Bradsher’s district in need of capital funding, said the School Board member. Cherry Run Elementary School, for example, is still trying to make do with an "open classroom" floor plan, where classrooms have no permanent walls or doors.

"There are just so many other schools in the county that need this money and there isn’t enough of it. There is difference between what we want to do and what we have to do," she said.

Bradsher said there is nothing unethical about a School Board member and a group like SOAR brainstorming on a strategy to reach their policy goals.

For her part, Bradsher thinks Herrity became deeply involved in the Clifton school dispute for his own political reasons.

Clifton is one of the most affluent and reliably Republican sections of Fairfax County. Herrity and other local conservatives rely on Clifton to help fund local Republicans campaigns around Fairfax, said Bradsher.

MOVING FORWARD, several School Board members have decided to include a disclaimer along the bottom of their e-mails, reminding constituents that most School Board correspondence is publicly accessible.

"We do get a lot of e-mails from people, and I don’t know if people will be more careful about what they say in them because of the disclaimer," said School Board president Kathy Smith (Sully).

Individual School Board members and staff have already started adjusting the way they communicate with each other.

"Now I have moments where I am starting to write an e-mail and then I stop because I think I wouldn’t want anyone to read this," said Tistadt.



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Approximately 85 people wore red shirts to a Fairfax County School Board meeting on June 10 to protest the closing of Clifton Elementary School.

Excerpts From Emails:

On Supervisor Patrick Herrity (R-Springfield) ...

"It must be nice to live in a world in which you can just make-up your own version of reality and then shovel it all around you as you travel about your little universe. I think we have enough evidence to ask the court for a search warrant to check his house for crack."

-Dean Tistadt, Fairfax County Public Schools chief operating officer


Addressed to a Clifton community listserv ...

"The elected School Board member from this school district, Ms. Liz Bradsher, is not a friend in saving our school."

-Tom Petersen, former Mayor of Clifton

To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...

"SHAME ON YOU. Shame. On. You."

-Darrell Poe, Clifton resident


On Closing Clifton ...

"Closing Clifton, destroying an integral part of this community and causing our children nothing short of trauma is what will be shortchanging our children.."

-Virginia Shields, Clifton resident



To School Board president Kathy Smith ...

"Herrity seems to be the second coming, who knew?"

-School Board member Liz Bradsher



To School Board member Liz Bradsher ...

"You are our representative and you are doing nothing to help; you are trying to hurt our children and children across Fairfax County."

-Karen DePaolis, Clifton parent


To a Clifton Community Listserv ...

"Dear Liz, why don't you just tell it like it is ... you don't give a dam about Clifton!"

-Blair Diseati, Clifton community member



"Your e-mail demonstrates quite graphically why further conversation is futile. You seem intent on turning every legitimate concern into an argument about why (in your view) I have no idea what I am talking about — frustrating for you, and insulting for us both."

-School Board member Stuart Gibson


On The Closing Of Clifton ...

"Yet closing it is being considered for one real reason- the school is just too white. Its racial profile is out of balance with the rest of the county and this is simply unacceptable."

-Donald Gibson, Clifton resident



To School Board Member Liz Bradsher ...

"We will have them eating out of our hands, just like we did at Clifton."

-Dean Tistadt, FCPS chief operating officer


To West Springfield High School's SOAR leadership team ...

"And I now think we need to start with a SB email campaign regarding the Clifton ES vote on July 8."

-Erik Hawkins, West Springfield High School SOAR leader

To Patrick Herrity's office …

"I have asked SOAR to send very general emails on the importance of watching [capital] dollars and believe the Clifton issue is not being mentioned."

-School Board member Liz Bradsher

full day kindergarten issue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bradsher has always complained that many of her
> schools don't have all day K. I think 35 schools
> county-wide are without all day K.
>
> Are these additions and all of this shuffling of
> students related to implementing all day k in
> these schools?
>
> I have not seen this argued but I do recall seeing
> one of the FOIAed emails that talked about it.


Is anyone paying attention??

All these schools that are getting additions need these capacity increases for ALL DAY K.

Bradsher has always begged for All Day K for her schools.

Isn't this what the Clifton closure is all about? Clifton is the sacrificial lamb so neighboring schools get FDK.

Duh.

Wow - this one is a Liz Jr.

Really nasty email to HOA President. Supporting saving their school is 'an elitist cause'? Guess she has a major chip on her should that she lives in a townhouse. So very sad, these evil soup nazis and their toxic spew.

Way to pick your friends, Liz.

No wonder those Clifton folks are worried about going to surrounding schools - hope this lady (PTA president none the less) doesn't do Welcome Wagon with her scrapbooking business - imagine her cards? "Welcome to your new school, you Clifton School lover elitists." Clifton needs their windy roads to protect them from crazies like Liz and this one.
Attachments:

From: Joana Garcia [parentsforfulldayk@yahoo.com]
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 6/30/2010 8:31:29 PM
Subject: Last weeks meeting

Attachments:


Hi Liz,

I got the feedback from Barbara about the meeting. Wow, 1 person. I am really surprised the staff wasn't there. Sorry for the poor turnout. I am going to keep the push on. Let me know if you have any more ideas.

How did the hearing this week concerning Clifton go? Mike is on travel this week so the boys and I spent the evening having dinner and taking dad to a late flight to London on Monday otherwise I would have been there.

Thanks for your time and I'll keep pushing,
Joana




Ok, what a coincidence. Joana Garcia is buddies with Lizzie and gets a one-on one meeting with FCPS about Full Day K in mid June.

What an interest she takes in the Clifton vote.

Let's see if we can put this all together.

Bradsher tells the all day K crowd if Clifton closes then their schools will get all day k!!!

yipee........

Shaista Keating is the point person and she is a Silverbrrok parent.

Someone help me out here....where does Liz live?

From: "James, Denise" <

DJames@fcps.edu>

To: "Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)" <

ETBradsher@fcps.edu>,

          "Tistadt, Dean" <

datistadt@fcps.edu>

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:34:49 -0400

Subject: Re: Clifton ES & Overcrowding Not Unequivocally Linked
 

Interesting comment from alaine - surprising in fact.

I think closing clifton and dispersing the students among multiple schools is a far worse option that keeping the student body largely intact at a brand new school a short distance from existing school.Without building a new school to replace clifton capacity, more building additions are required which are more costly that a new schoolFinally, I don't think any subcomitte recommended the option of closing clifton and dispersing the population among multiple schools.Denise