so, bob can have his school a mile away but kids in a 40 mile radius just have to suck it on his say so?
who is the guy and why does he get to advise the school board horde to torpedo a school - you think the consonant soup after your name impresses?
on top of it, bob, you keep good company with the other fcps lying horde - 300 kids? really. try 366 (still - same as last year) - just 22% off, that's all.
great to see you went around your pool and lied to all your neighbors and friends about the cost to renovate clifton - $20 million? at the outside, even the fcps bloated top number was $11 million. a lying 48% bloat on top really isn't a lie - it is a big, fat, huge, ridiculous lie.
so - when you lie to everyone and tell them clifton has 22% fewer kids and the cost is 48% more, you might get push back to report up to fcps in advance of the vote to 'support' liz. all that support she quotes. so - this is representative of the 'comments' liz stands on in support of clifton's closure?

time for the rest of the school board to own up to the disgusting behavior and fix the past wrong. sound familiar?
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Those letters are enough to make anybody gag. An informal survey at Bob's pool?? Is that how he spends $65 million dollars for the Army----using informal surveys at his pool (how many people here think we should buy the new helicopter?)? And who cares how long he's been a resident of Fairfax County (like that gives him more clout or something?) and "married to a 6th grade school teacher"---WHO CARES???? Is she an expert on keeping schools open or closing them? I'm surprised he didn't mention what his mother and father do and what school he got the PhD from. PLEASE BOB---stop being so stuck on yourself and think about those kids and parents in Clifton.

But I love Boob's first line the most: "we are praying you will do what is right"---he's a pretty righteous guy in his own mind apparently.

We can all thank God that we don't have to live or work with BOB!

>We can all thank God that we don't have to live or work with BOB!


+1

I've lived in Fairfax County for over 60 years and I don't think that qualifies me to determine which schools need to be closed.

BOB is a pompous ass!

SCparent Wrote:
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> FYI,Liz Bradshers real name is the South County
> Bitch. She has been screwing groups/kids for the
> last eight years. She only cares about her kids.

Now the out of control BITCH is calling taxpayers at their homes.

Does anyone know her home phone number?

I am a bitch, so what.

Bob Larsen,PhD
> Resident since 1996 in Fairfax County
> Father of a High School senior Lake Braddock, 9th grader and second
> grader; Married to a 6th grade school teacher;
> Served 4 years as Kings Park/Kings Glen PTA; one year County PTA;
> involved in South County Boundary Study and Chaired two sub groups for the
> Southwest Boundary/Clifton ES Ad Hoc Study Sep 2009-May 2010


SOOO - it says above that he was involved in the South County Boudary Study. Gee. ya think maybe he knew Liz from then, and she asked him now to get involved as the rep for Sangster so she could control input from Sangster?????

Is Liz doing Bob or is Bob doing Liz?

From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Reed, Patty (School Board Member)
Sent: 7/5/2010 2:25:01 PM
Subject: RE: Why isn't the School Board interested in a WIN, WIN, WIN solution?
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Hi Patty,
I can honestly say I wish I was where you are now! J Spent the weekend making plans, throwing out and
forging ahead. I did read “Blink†and the “Tipping Pointâ€â€”both good books but I am going to stick to
mysteries and fast no brainer books for the beach! I don’t have “Drive†but heard that too was good.
Regarding the well issues, we have not received back the information about the water and contamination. It
was due last week. FCPS has called every day for results and I remain hopeful we will get some info
tomorrow. The parents may be pleased with bottle watered coming into the school however that is not
appropriate, at least in my opinion. We should be able to provide drinking water at all our schools. In certain
HSs students are not allowed to bring in bottled watered because it looks an awful lot like VODKA and
students sometimes choose to toss the bottles at others. In our other ESs we do not ask students to bring in
bottled water. What I am hearing more and more is CES is like a private school and parents of students who
attend there wish it to remain so. FCPS offers a public education not private if these parents want the
specialties of a private school then they can pursue such accommodations privately. Clifton costs more to
operate than other schools of its size, in fact it costs as much to operate Clifton as a 575-600 student ES.
Finally I don’t quite buy the notion we cannot split Clifton. We are talking 2 things here:
1. Sending students from the Greater Clifton and Fairfax Station areas to closer schools like Oak View,
Fairview or Sangster or perhaps even Silverbrook
2. Sending students from the Town of Clifton and areas west of Clifton to Willow Springs, Union Mill or
perhaps a new school.
At one time the Clifton school was ONLY for the town, that changed when the county consolidated schools
in the 1930s. The school is not historic, the site is not in the town. Boundaries in and around the Clifton
area have been in flux for years. It is absurd to think an area of that size cannot be split and should not be
touched due to wealth and the reaction of “money talksâ€. We split communities and neighborhoods due to
need and have done so for years. Should Clifton be different because $$$ and politicians talk? Don’t get
me wrong I don’t like splitting schools or neighborhoods but when it can be done in a manner where it
helps parents, students are closer to schools, the system saves $, and it takes a wrong from years ago (in
terms of an absurd boundary) and correct it for the sake of community and common sense then I am OK
with it.
Something of interest you might find a bit eye opening….my husband and I were looking at homes this
week. We are thinking of moving. So we spent several hours searching Fx Station, Clifton, Burke and
West Springfield areas. There were few if any homes listed in Clifton, those we found were $1.2 and up.
Definitely not the fixer uppers we were looking for. My point is here that due to the costs of housing in
Clifton the market for buyers is small.
Enough on all this---go, enjoy, listen to old John Denver records and have fun!
Liz
Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant


WOW - Lizzy - what realtor is working for you? we have many qualified realtors that could have helped you out. I don't see many $1.2m fixer uppers in this list.

Received Stat ML# Address List Price BR FB HB Lvl Fpl Gar Bsmt Acres Age DOMP Adv Subdiv Style Tax Living Area


30 Sold FX7408490 12100 Beaver Creek Rd $597,500 4 3 1 4 3 0 Yes 5.208 39 11 Maple Branch Contemporary 2,066

30 2 Sold FX7282903 11005 Highridge St $599,000 4 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.471 32 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,328

19 2 Sold FX7217954 11320 Chapel Rd $599,000 5 3 0 2 1 6 Yes 6.203 26 143 Resub Of Lts 3 4B Rambler 1,600

24 Sold FX7339106 11713 Henderson Rd $599,000 4 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 2.505 34 51 None Tudor 1,576

11 Sold FX7369703 8200 Wolf Run Shoals Rd $599,900 4 2 1 2 2 1 Yes 5 33 15 Occoquan Run Split Foyer

20 Sold FX7276443 7613 Maple Branch Rd $599,990 4 3 0 2 1 0 Yes 5.004 31 73 Williams And Conle Rambler 1,668

6 Sold FX7374346 6530 Little Ox Rd $606,900 4 2 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.165 28 21 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,538

30 2 Sold FX7266557 6542 Little Ox Rd $669,900 5 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 5.492 26 122 Ardmore Woods Colonial 2,740

Sold FX7359251 12116 Wolf Valley Dr $685,000 4 2 1 3 3 2 Yes 5 24 51 Wolf Run Estates Colonial 3,226

30 Sold FX7386909 6110 Henry House Ct $699,900 4 3 1 2 1 2 Yes 1.183 29 148 Fairfax Station Rambler 2,490

20 2 Sold FX7350363 6803 Old Stone Fence Rd $799,000 4 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.754 23 62 Ardmore Woods Colonial 3,126

24 Sold FX7372241 6601 Clifton Rd $799,900 5 3 1 2 3 3 Yes 5.727 37 122 Cloverleaf Farm Es Rambler 3,198

28 Sold FX7317583 6123 Moonpatterns Trl $860,000 6 5 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 22 47 The Patterns Colonial 4,216

23 Sold FX7389155 7421 Clifton Quarry Dr $885,000 5 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 1.14 12 29 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,542

17 Sold FX7370618 7031 Balmoral Forest Rd $897,500 4 4 1 3 1 2 Yes 2.969 13 5 Balmoral Greens Colonial 3,338

14 2 Sold FX7395030 13122 Laurel Glen Rd $899,900 5 3 1 3 2 2 Yes 5 10 6 Laurel Glen Craftsman 2,997

30 Sold FX7367668 12706 Mill Glen Ct $948,500 5 3 1 6 2 2 Yes 5.004 26 20 Mill Branch Contemporary 3,399

30 Sold FX7358397 12675 Mill Dam Dr $975,000 5 4 1 3 2 2 Yes 5.369 16 68 Mill Branch Colonial 4,050

29 Sold FX7356408 12202 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 4 4 1 3 4 2 Yes 5 24 74 Chadwicke Cape Cod 3,851

Sold FX7343310 12150 Fairfax Station Rd $975,000 5 3 1 3 1 2 Yes 5 26 0 Popes Head Colonial 3,096

27 Sold FX7396815 11530 Lilting Ln $985,000 4 4 1 2 1 3 Yes 7.335 4 46 Singing Woods The Contemporary 3,886

27 2 Sold FX7189452 6527 Ryanlynn Dr $999,000 4 4 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.012 25 264 Woodover Farms Colonial 3,528

Sold FX7294823 7505 Detwiller Dr $999,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 1.227 12 54 Balmoral Greens Colonial 4,488

30 Sold FX7355031 7396 Clifton Rd $1,099,000 4 3 1 3 4 3 Yes 5.265 26 14 Countryview Traditional 3,942

22 Sold FX7335344 6119 Clifton Rd $1,100,000 5 5 2 3 3 3 Yes 2.47 5 50 Twin Lakes Contemporary 6,524

26 2 Sold FX7385139 7005 Balmoral Forest Rd $1,150,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 2.005 13 6 Balmoral Greens Colonial 5,386

30 Sold FX7310604 7419 Clifton Rd $1,385,000 5 5 1 3 3 3 Yes 5.03 22 55 Tamaron Investment Colonial 5,196

Liz - might be some fixer-uppers here... only one the $1.2m range though. I'd be surprised if it was a "fixer-upper"!


Act FX7466532 7808 Blackacre Rd $479,000 4 3 0 2 1 2 Yes 1.22 24 3 Ford Mill Wood Other

20 Act FX7461057 7471 Clifton Rd $525,000 4 3 0 2 2 0 Yes 1.222 44 12 Stillwell Knolls Rambler 1,645

25 Act FX7427496 12515 Chapel Rd $600,000 2 2 1 3 1 2 Yes 0.296 19 135 Near Clifton Contemporary 2,061

18 Act FX7424694 12509 Chapel Rd $629,900 4 3 0 2 3 2 No 3.002 100 108 Clifton (Walk To D Colonial 2,611

30 Act FX7433486 12916 Popes Head Rd $649,900 5 2 0 3 2 0 No 5.008 61 195 Clifton Other 2,136

Act FX7409931 12606 Clifton Hunt Ln $650,000 5 4 0 3 1 2 Yes 5.31 22 80 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,926

19 Act FX7468167 7000 Clifton Forest Dr $725,000 5 3 0 2 3 2 Yes 3.164 38 426 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,095

28 Act FX7430854 12220 Yates Ford Rd $749,888 3 2 1 2 0 0 Yes 2.006 34 118 Clifton Heights Rambler 1,738

Act FX7462765 11521 Fairfax Station Rd $799,000 4 4 1 3 1 3 Yes 4.695 6 9 Fairfax Station Contemporary 3,984

Act FX7460927 11905 Henderson Ct $799,000 4 2 1 4 2 2 Yes 1.098 20 13 Ashleigh Of Clifto Colonial 3,657

30 2 Act FX7432540 11543 Lilting Ln $899,900 5 4 1 4 2 3 Yes 5 33 49 Singing Woods The Split Level 3,689

30 Act FX7410102 7007 Clifton Forest Dr $899,900 4 3 0 2 2 2 Yes 3.451 27 80 Clifton Forest Rambler 2,268

22 Act FX7431765 7917 Clifton Hunt Ct $929,900 4 3 2 3 2 3 Yes 5.422 14 50 Clifton Hunt Colonial 3,631

29 2 Act FX7426772 6127 Clifton Rd $995,000 5 4 0 2 3 2 Yes 2 24 57 Twin Lakes Rambler 3,976

Act FX7431500 12500 Old Yates Ford Rd $1,075,000 6 5 2 4 3 3 Yes 1 3 387 Bull Run Colonial 6,098

This thread is a Hoot!

She's going to want to move a bit further away after all the boundary tinkering and renovating, etc. is done. There are some great deals in some of the neighboring counties Liz.

This is strange--why would Liz Bradsher be bargain shopping for a fixer-upper in Clifton after she spearheaded the movement to close the public school in Clifton? That seems supremely STUPID to me. As if there will be people who will welcome her in? Or is it just an investment property?

So, Liz has been proven a liar to everyone - even MLS says she is a liar!

Too good!

Liz
WE MADE YOUR LIFE HELL FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS?
You are a conniving, lying, deceitful charlatan.
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"I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids." Stu Gibson

Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?

These - THESE - are the people representing us in our planning study and boundary study? THESE are the people who are going to change everything?

No more changing - until we change the school board.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=340353&paper=66&cat=104

>>>Several supervisors said the school board should have had a long and extensive community engagement process about eliminating such long-standing programs, especially since they affect some of the county’s most vulnerable children.

"I hold three public hearings when a gas station wants to change the color of its awning. This is a policy shift of much more importance," said Supervisor Jeff McKay (D-Lee).

"If the Board of Supervisors wants to run the school system, then it can ask the voters of Fairfax County to go back to an appointed school board," said School Board member Stu Gibson (Hunter Mill).

Gibson and several other school board members were upset that the supervisors were second-guessing their judgement.

"I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids," he said.<<<<

Superintendent, Chairman of the School Board, School Board Member and Chief of Operations and Facilities for Fairfax County Public Schools
all complicit in ONE email.

Which "WILL state"? "WILL"? Bradsher KNOWS what a future report "WILL state"?

Bradsher is guiding the vote to close Clifton vote by stating what a future report WILL state.
Dale does nothing
Tistadt does nothing
Smith does nothing
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Wait until we rise from the dead - we will haunt the school board and Bradsher until we get truth & correction of their misdeeds!
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RamParent Wrote:
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> Wait until we rise from the dead -

Brain dead.

Grow up.

No Better Wrote:
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> "I think I have a pretty good idea, after serving 15 years on this board, what is best for kids." Stu Gibson<

That's why this arrogant bum isn't running for re-election. Why not just resign now, Stu, and spare us the last 15 months of your sorry tenure as a near total failure as a human being, never mind school board member.

> Sheesh. Can we start a contest for Worst School Board Member of the Year?<

Janie would give Stu and Liz a run for their money

Janie will win re-election in Dranesville as long as she wants to be on the School Board. Believe it or not, her Great Falls constituents actually prefer being in the Langley district to South Lakes or Herndon, the 17 mile-long bus rides notwithstanding. Go figure.

And, she shows up at local school events, doesn't write Liz Bradsherish e-mails, doesn't cry at the drop of a pin like Kathy Smith, and doesn't wear stupid buttons like Stu-Clown Gibson.

GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>
> Re: Collusion by School Board Member Liz Bradsher
> for Political Gain
> Posted by: TooCozy ()
> Date: October 24, 2010 10:00AM
>
>
> This is getting weirder by the day. WHO pays Rob
> Robertory?!
>
> According to the State Board of Elections, Rob
> Robertory was a financial contributor to Liz
> Bradsher's campaign for her current office!
>
> What the hell is going on around there?


Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should actually call him for financial planning services. It looks like he is successful.

GMU Hokie Wrote:
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> Who pays Rob Robertory?
>
> Click on the link below to find out.
>
> http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
>
>
> Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
>
> I hear he is pretty sharp.
>
>
>

Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him for financial planning. It looks like he is successful.

TooCozy Wrote:
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> GMU Hokie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who pays Rob Robertory?
> >
> > Click on the link below to find out.
> >
> > http://www.robrobertory.com/Professional.htm
> >
> >
> > Rob Robertory is rumored to be a Hokie.
> >
> > I hear he is pretty sharp.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps you are right. Maybe I should call him
> for financial planning. It looks like he is
> successful.

Rob is a fat, stupid asshole. Don't be fooled by his website.

Apparently we have left the Republic and live under a Aftergut Patriarchy.

Hail, Jeff, Hail Rob, Hail Jack, Hail Dean, Hail Stu, Hail Dan, Hail Brad, Hail Ilryong, Hail Jim

Bow to your Queens of Mean Liz, Kathy, Tessie and Janie.

We are subjects to your 'representation'. May you receive as well as you have given.
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Each time another comes it seems like someone else rises to the top {of the bottom}.
Are they all bottom feeders?


From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/6/2010 10:30:17 AM
Subject: Re: Substitute Motion

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I am at work and will give you a call.
Thanks Jim for touching base, I know you are on vacation!
Liz

________________________________

From: Raney, Jim (School Board Member)
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 06 08:58:32 2010
Subject: Substitute Motion


Good morning, Liz:

What was the outcome of your meetings with staff last week? Will you be
offering a substitute motion to keep CES open, keep CES in the
renovation queue but delay renovations for 3-5 years, and reevaluate the
situation in 3-5 years? Last night Kathy told me you had 7 votes to
close CES and my vote would be #8. Is that correct?

Very respectfully,
James L. "Jim" Raney, Ph.D.
Fairfax County School Board
Member At Large
Tel: 571-423-1091
Executive Administrative Assistant:
Deb Cain, Tel: 571-423-1070
DLCain@fcps.edu

Who the flying crap is Jeff Aftergut? Why does a career as a mid-level patent tool provide him with special expertise to opine on boundary decisions?

And Tessie is just flat-out gross.

That email to Patty Reed was totally inappropriate. That bradsher person is ignoring operating costs of a huge middle school building. Then FCPS has the nerve to suggest selling the Clifton ES building to a private school!!!

http://www.southcountymiddleschool.org/uploads/Connection01.29.09_2_.pdf

How about selling Silverbrook ? That place is immune to boundary changes. Bradsher, Robertory, and Co should be zapped with a special tax district for SOCO middle school costs since they demand static boundaries.

Reston and Mclean have to pay extra for community centers. Lorton should as well. Bradsher might not have little kids so she doesn't give a shit if she wipes out a unifying public resource.

Poor Tina-she takes quite a beating in these emails.

The Annandale principal, Stu Gibson,Liz and now Tessie.

It really is ugly and so unbecoming of a so-called HIGH PERFORMING school district.

Tina doesn't agree with staff on everything. She actually thinks for herself and asks tough questions.

Is this a crime? Apparently it is in FCPS and makes you enemies.

I have always felt like Tina behaved professionally and acted in the best interests of this school district. What a pity many others haven't done the same.

I think this is a very low point for this school district and I pray that the 2011 elections bring some better people to serve these kids.

Please please please, seek professional help for the mental affliction you are displaying in this thread.

There are treatments available for you. Obtain the help you deserve and get your life back.

This woman makes my skin crawl - him, too. Gross.
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Liz knows "every back road, the history of Clifton and information on all surrounding schools" yet she does not even realize the "bottled water" the students at Clifton consume does not come in the 20 oz variety, but the 5 gallon water cooler variety. Glad she is so "in touch" with what is really going on within the physical buildings our students are educated within.

Love the "Queen of Mean" email above where Board Member Tessie Wilson says to Jeff Aftergut "If we wanted to make decisions based on public opinion, we could use survey monkey for everything and do away with the Board."

Well,wouldn't you know it! -- FCPS just sent out a survey monkey survey for the Boundary Study! SO does this mean:

(A) We can now get rid of the Board? Yippeeee!
(B) The survey monkey poll they are asking County taxpayers to fill out is something they feel is irrelevant anyway in which case why are they really asking us to waste our time?
(C) They don't care about public opinion.
(D) All of the above.

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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> Liz knows "every back road, the history of Clifton
> and information on all surrounding schools" yet
> she does not even realize the "bottled water" the
> students at Clifton consume does not come in the
> 20 oz variety, but the 5 gallon water cooler
> variety. Glad she is so "in touch" with what is
> really going on within the physical buildings our
> students are educated within.

wtf? Those little prima-donnas drinking special water on my dime?

should have bussed them to Rose Hill elem two years ago!

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Look at this ---- more info on the communities getting screwed by Queen Bee Lizzie...
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Parent Advocacy Group Uncovers Disturbing Flaws in Southwestern County Boundary Study
Leaves Parents Stunned and Looking for Answers

Fairfax County, VA – Thursday, November 4, 2010 – Friends of Community Schools (FCS) is launching a “Stop the Study†campaign to lobby local, regional, state and national officials as a result of the recent Southwestern Boundary Study “public engagement†meetings which left many parents frustrated, angry, and looking for answers.

On Friday, October 22nd at 10 p.m., the Fairfax County Public School system (FCPS) released its three “options†to its web site, describing proposed plans to redistrict 23 schools covering the entire Southwestern portion of Fairfax County. The study was initially intended to solve overcrowding in just four schools. The “community engagement†discussions between parents and the facilities staff took place on Monday and Tuesday, just a few days after the options were released to the public.

Numerous parents who attended the meetings were dismayed that FCPS failed to provide the key information that was necessary to evaluate the options placed before them at the meetings. “We were asked to assess three highly disruptive options which did not meet the stated goals of capacity utilization and had clearly not been fully analyzed from a budgetary aspect,†said Kristy Wasserott from Fairfax Station who attended the Monday Oct 25th meeting at Greenbriar West Elementary School.

Critical information NOT provided to meeting attendees included: impact assessments on transportation, environment, community, and student achievement.

Numerous parents were additionally upset because FCPS failed to provide answers to these important questions:

• How can additions be funded, designed, procured and built in time to accommodate children from the 400 students from Clifton Elementary School when the School Board decided to close this school in June 2011?

• How can FCPS provide NO community school within a 40 mile square radius without costly, unreasonable, and unmanageable bus rides for the county’s youngest children?

• Are other smaller schools in Fairfax County at risk for closure?

• Why are there no details on related middle schools and high schools boundaries?

• How can we be expected to answer questions on elementary schools when we don’t know how it will impact the middle and high schools?

Parents and taxpayers alike became painfully aware after reviewing the three options that in less than three years, FCPS will be forced to revisit the results of any boundary changes as the growth is being directed to an area with an already established population density and infrastructure capacity. How is that a good use of our taxpayer dollars? How is that fiscally prudent?

Recent disclosure of information obtained through Freedom of Information Act indicate Springfield School Board Member Elizabeth Bradsher (who advocated for the closure of Clifton Elementary School) may have misled parents and taxpayers in order to promote her own political aspirations. Ms. Bradsher has also contacted several parents at home and verbally berated them with foul language simply because they have disagreed with her decisions and actions. Even more egregious, Ms. Bradsher recently contacted the employer of a FCPS mother, with false allegations of email harassment, because the mother disagreed with her over the Clifton Elementary School closure.

Read more at: http://friendsofcommunityschools.org/

Parent Contact: Kristy Wasserott – 703-323-7585


####

For more information contact:
Kim Farrell, FCS Communications Director
Home: 703.759.2122 – Cell: 443-257-3220 – Email: farrell27@msn.com

We thought Mr. Moon wasn't a part of all of this - what is this about recusing regarding Clifton?
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So, sh tried to strong arm him on FPAC too?

Ok, I ahve now been pushed too far.

Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?

Are you kidding me?

This is government at its worst.

Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out. Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to go.

This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.

boiling point Wrote:
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> Ok, I ahve now been pushed too far.
>
> Now we have Moon, a supposed moderate on this
> board, clearing his nominee thru Bradsher?
>
> Are you kidding me?
>
> This is government at its worst.
>
> Time to get a BIG BROOM and sweep them all out.
> Patty, Sandy and Tina can stay-the rest need to
> go.
>
> This school district is run by a bunch of misfits.

My understanding is that Tina Hone won't run for re-election to the School Board again, although she'd almost surely be re-elected.

She has been a breath of fresh air, which is why her colleagues trash her repeatedly both in public or private. She won't do the Staff's bidding and she won't make dirty back-room deals with the likes of Liz Bradsher. No wonder she's so unpopular at Gatehouse.

Got an email today that SB is having a retreat tomorrow at Ffx HS.
On the agenda? Self-Assessment.
Would like to see their Report Cards, especially this hypocritical SOB.

Zero-Tolerance on being a complete ass.
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notsofast Wrote:
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> So, sh tried to strong arm him on FPAC too?


How does she possibly deny she sold out one community for another? What's amazing is she's so blatant.
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"No wonder we were successful"? Words of an elected representative in this county trashing parents and celebrating the demise of a school?

This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in and around Clifton were mad.


From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
To: 'Rob Robertory'
Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input

This makes us in South County look like wonderful people to work with. No wonder we were successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!

Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070



-----Original Message-----
From: Tistadt, Dean
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com'; 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com'; 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com'; 'dnitz@cox.net'
Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko, Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton Elementary Input

Charlie,
I am copying everyone with this response so I don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same message over and over which would be the case if I sent this to each board member one by one.
Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about this issue. I can accept that completely. What I regret is that you appear to deliberately present information that you know, or at least should know, is not accurate. I am frankly disappointed.
Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and every point so I thought I would use your most recent testimony as a forum for my response. I assume you still stand behind it or you would not have included it in your message to the School Board today.
My comments and responses to your statements are in red.
Dean

Not NotLarry Wrote:
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> "No wonder we were successful"? Words of an
> elected representative in this county trashing
> parents and celebrating the demise of a school?
>
> This woman is truly hateful. No wonder people in
> and around Clifton were mad.
>
>
> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: 'Rob Robertory'
> Subject: FW: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> This makes us in South County look like wonderful
> people to work with. No wonder we were
> successful.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
>
> Elizabeth T. Bradsher
> Fairfax County School Board
> Springfield District
> Phone: (571) 296-1875
> Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative
> Assistant
> Phone: (571) 423-1070
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tistadt, Dean
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:40 PM
> To: 'charlie.t.rau@exxonmobil.com';
> 'whollaway@gibsondunn.com';
> 'pattihopkins@cox.net'; 'ina.patton@gmail.com';
> 'dnitz@cox.net'
> Cc: School Board Members; Dale, Jack; Moniuszko,
> Richard A..; James, Denise; Sneed, Kevin
> Subject: RE: Important SW Overcrowding / Clifton
> Elementary Input
>
> Charlie,
> I am copying everyone with this response so I
> don't fill up everyone's email boxes with the same
> message over and over which would be the case if I
> sent this to each board member one by one.
> Obviously, you and I are not in agreement about
> this issue. I can accept that completely. What I
> regret is that you appear to deliberately present
> information that you know, or at least should
> know, is not accurate. I am frankly
> disappointed.
> Your spreadsheets are too voluminous and/or
> cumbersome to allow me to respond to each and
> every point so I thought I would use your most
> recent testimony as a forum for my response. I
> assume you still stand behind it or you would not
> have included it in your message to the School
> Board today.
> My comments and responses to your statements are
> in red.
> Dean


What do you expect from a woman who has this on her campaign page and then turned around and drove a vote to close a school in one of the longest standing communities in the area to get votes from another area? She should have left the word "Sincerely" off completely.


"As your School Board representative I will work hard to maintain community schools in the Springfield District as well as in the rest of Fairfax County. I don't approve of breaking long standing communities up for the sake of unwarranted boundary modifications. Personally, I have witnessed too many boundary town meetings which have torn communities apart and resulted in negative outcomes.

There is no substitute in this county for a community school.

Sincerely,
Liz Bradsher"


http://lizbradsher.org/update.asp

http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/sg/index.htm

As trustees of the system, working on the community's behalf, the School Board is obligated to assure that the community's values and expectations are reflected in the work of the school system and that a transparent governing process facilitates the community's ability to gauge the School Board and school system's performance.

Strategic Governance is a process [see definition of terms] that allows the School Board to exercise its responsibilities in a manner that assures that the staff, under the authority of the Superintendent, has the freedom and authority to do its work without interference, but also that the School Board and Superintendent are fully accountable to the community for the results.

FCPS & SB Troll Patrol is on duty.
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After seeing this, this woman might quite possibly be the bitchiest realtor in Northern Virginia (does she only sell homes to poor people?) - and it seems Channel 9 has no better in a reporter.

So, it is FSBO or Long & Foster or anyone else - and Channels 4, 5, & 7 from now on.

______________________________________________________________________
From: Monique Craft
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Tue Jul 13 01:41:36 2010
Subject: RE: Urgent!

I might call you tomorrow. I have to show homes in Vienna all day and you
have to have a vacation!
Peggy used to be my next door neighbor when she was in high school at WSHS.
I like Pat, but I know he is on the opposite side that you are on for this
issue.
I sure hope you can have a VACATION and that you are somewhere FUN!!
I hate politics!!
Peggy sent me another email... I don't get it... why should an elementary
school take precedent over a high school with five times the students?
WS's voices need to be heard.
I answered that this is why the School Board voted 9 to 2 to close Clifton
because they feel the same way.
Why can't all those rich people in Clifton just pay to keep their little
school? Why not a private/public partnership?

Monique

Monique Craft & Crew
Weichert, Realtors
Home Office: (703)451-SALE (7253)
Cell: (703)628-9571
Fax: (703)451-0721
MoniqueCraft@mris.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fox, Peggy [mailto:PFOX@wusa9.com]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:13 PM
To: moniquecraft@mris.com
Subject: RE: Urgent!

MOnique,
Several education groups are going after the vote on Clifton.... I think
we need to hear from the WSHS advocates. I'll try to do story on Tuesday.

Peggy

How many more schools will Lizzy need to collect to fulfill her plan?
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Monique Craft puts down that she is bilingual in English and French after her name??? OMG. She sells to all the Frenchies? She must be friends with that Bob Larsen guy! Only in Fairfax County!

Monique -

Con casse-toi, salope.

I pay a lot in taxes to send my kids to Fairfax Co. schools and this is the moron we have running our school board. Yikes! Jack Dale needs to wake up or his school system is in for another lawsuit.

We get to do whatever we want - so just give us the money and quite whining --- or we come for your school next.
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From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [mailto:ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Steve,
It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have overstepped professional
"boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected School Board member and
a citizen I do not tend to agree with you observations. And yes Steve the
money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the queue and schools like WSHS.
Liz

----- Original Message -----
From: hunt4vasenate@cox.net
To: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
Sent: Thu Jul 01 09:43:30 2010
Subject: RE: CIP Update: July School Board Action
Liz
If you wanted to argue that WSHS is in greater need of renovation than
Clifton ES and the schools should be switched in the CIP, I believe that
would be viable arguement andone that I would be supportive. It does not
require the closing of Clifton ES.
We obviously see this from a different perspective. I live in the Clifton
ES boundary area. I was a precinct captian in Clifton while not actually
voting there. I am a member of the Clifton Lions Club. I know this
community. I have fought for communities all across Fairfax County. Most
of the Clifton ES boundary area is not in the 37th Senate DIstrict. I also
work hard for children whether the live in Graham Road area or Clifton. To
state that I am advocating for my political future is counter to my track
record and an unfair assumption as to my motivations.
Steve

MollyCorbin Wrote:
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> From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member)
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: 'hunt4vasenate@cox.net'
> Subject: Re: CIP Update: July School Board Action
> Steve,
> It is my opinion you and Pat Herrity have
> overstepped professional
> "boundaries" on the Clifton issue. As your elected
> School Board member and
> a citizen I do not tend to agree with you
> observations. And yes Steve the
> money saved from Clifton does indeed impact the
> queue and schools like WSHS.
> Liz

In other words, "butt out and let me do what I want."

She really should resign now out of respect for the citizens of the county. As it is, she is turning the typical presumption that sitting School Board members can be reelected as long as they want on its head. In 2011, the presumption will be that any current member who runs for reelection should be rejected unless they can prove that they have not stooped to Liz Bradsher's level.

Shame, shame, shame.

"overstepped your professional boundaries" ?? (written to Steve Hunt, and including Pat Herrity)

"As your elected School Board member and a citizen I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??

So it seems that anyone who dares to have a different perspective or disagrees with Liz Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and must be slammed in her pissy manner.

*Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her? Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school?? (I am not in Clifton, btw.)

hag Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "overstepped your professional boundaries" ??
> (written to Steve Hunt, and including Pat
> Herrity)
>
> "As your elected School Board member and a citizen
> I do not tend to agree with your observations" ??
>
>
> So it seems that anyone who dares to have a
> different perspective or disagrees with Liz
> Bradsher has absolutely no valuable insight and
> must be slammed in her pissy manner.
>
> *Wow* What must it be like to be her kid, if she
> is this awful to anyone who disagrees with her?
> Why is she so stuck on torpedoing this school??
> (I am not in Clifton, btw.)

Well, yeah, what she writes makes absolutely no sense, but it's clear she doesn't like being challenged.

Why can't we have School Board members who listen thoughtfully and keep an open mind? It doesn't mean they can please everyone all the time, but it might create at least a modest amount of trust. Right now there is none.

The extreme 'pot calling the kettle black' would be hysterical if it weren't for the catastrophic events she has set in motion by her action.

That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating within the political spectrum (how ironic that she states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for ostensibly their own interests while serving constituents is absurd.

She is going to have to encourage the West Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the Commonwealth, because that is the only way she will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.

And too much that she claims people are out to end her career - ever heard of a suicide bomber who blames the victims for causing their death?

Mathalicious Wrote:
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> The extreme 'pot calling the kettle black' would
> be hysterical if it weren't for the catastrophic
> events she has set in motion by her action.
>
> That Liz dares accuse anyone else of operating
> within the political spectrum (how ironic that she
> states "boundaries" - that's a dirty word) for
> ostensibly their own interests while serving
> constituents is absurd.
>
> She is going to have to encourage the West
> Springfield to secede from Fairfax County and the
> Commonwealth, because that is the only way she
> will ever get elected to anything - ever - again.
>
I wouldn't worry about folks in West Springfield. She's completely toxic now. The people at WSHS got what they want from her and will drop her like a hot potato, if they haven't done so already.

I learned that at our next PTA meeting a rep from the school board will be on hand to listen to parents. We are NOT to ask any direct questions and only provide information that will go towards the boundary study. What a farce!

Right now in one of the options the schoold board provides for my child he will be on the bus for almost two hours a day. He is six years old. I do not not like any options the school board has given.

I feel this is a battle we will not win unless a lot of parents in Fairfax county start to care about what the board is doing to ALL our children.

Most here assume that West Springfield owes Liz a debt of gratitude. Quite the contrary. We're the ones who got cast aside so South County could get their middle school...even after an independant consultant ($75,000) concluded that WSHS should be moved to the top of the CIP. The SB didn't like those results so they along with facilities changed the criteria for renovation.

WSHS parent Wrote:
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> Most here assume that West Springfield owes Liz a
> debt of gratitude. Quite the contrary. We're the
> ones who got cast aside so South County could get
> their middle school...even after an independant
> consultant ($75,000) concluded that WSHS should be
> moved to the top of the CIP. The SB didn't like
> those results so they along with facilities
> changed the criteria for renovation.

Here's hoping you are right - Bradsher seems awfully chummy with the principal of WSHS and SoCo MS/HS - beer and love all around!
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Who can go over a SB vote? I wrote Jack Dale but he does not care what the SB does. He agrees in closing Clifton. He would LOVE for Clifton parents to send all their kids to private schools. That way they still pay taxes but they do not drain the FCPS budget.

Of course Jack Dale agrees! Duuuuuuh. Do you watch those SB meetings and see that big smile on Dale's face---he's taking his 300K to the bank laughing all the way. The Board and the FCPS staff are all in bed with each other----all the time. What? You honestly thought that this game had anything to do with democracy or representation?? Ha, ha, ha, . . . . . . they are all laughing at us.

Gov. Christie NJ today explaining a county superintendent gaming the system.
Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI

FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
(which increased pay 8%):

Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
Agenda Item:

Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale,
Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013
(SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit F)
Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to renew the employment
contract for Jack D. Dale, Division Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
through June 30, 2013.
FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
Discussion and comments included the following: under the Board’s strategic
governance model, the student achievement goals and operational expectations
monitoring reports were presented throughout the year and were the basis for the
Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over the past three years, over 1,000
pages of monitoring report data had been presented to the Board and the
community, which were based on 55 Board-approved measures; student
academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
leadership over the past five years, as FCPS continued to rank among the top
school systems in the nation; a four year contract renewal would ensure that
continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the Board and Dr. Dale continue to
work together, with Leadership Team members, principals, teachers, parents,
community members, and students, as everyone faced another grim budget
year; the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits; concern
expressed about the community’s confidence in the Board and the
Superintendent, and that offering a three year contract would allow the current
Board to consider any further renewal in 2011, instead of a newly-elected Board
having that responsibility in 2012; there was community misunderstanding about
the role of strategic governance that needed to be resolved, and a
communications plan was needed; it was the School Board’s responsibility to hire
and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the system’s achievements, and
offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal would recognize these
achievements.
The motion to renew the employment contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009, through June 30, 2013, passed
7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr. Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms. Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
“nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence district seat vacant.

This is totally disgusting. He got an 8% raise and the teachers got nothing that year or this year??? The media said nothing about this.

Jack can eat no lean..... Wrote:
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> Gov. Christie NJ today explaining a county
> superintendent gaming the system.
> Isn't this what Jack Dale did in Sept. 09 before
> the budget shortfall hit the fan? So glad I pay
> $100 for every kid, every sport, every time.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1n6Y_uWAI
>
> FCPS School Board votes on Jacks new contract:
> (which increased pay 8%):
>
> Sept. 10, 2009 SB Meeting #34
> Agenda Item:
>
> Superintendent’s Contract - Renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale,
> Division Superintendent, effective September 10,
> 2009, through June 30, 2013
> (SB; presented as new business 7/23/09; Exhibit
> F)
> Mr. Gibson moved, and Ms. Bradsher seconded, to
> renew the employment
> contract for Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013.
> FAIRFAX COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD
> Regular Meeting No. 3 4 September 10, 2009
> Discussion and comments included the following:
> under the Board’s strategic
> governance model, the student achievement goals
> and operational expectations
> monitoring reports were presented throughout the
> year and were the basis for the
> Superintendent’s performance evaluation; over
> the past three years, over 1,000
> pages of monitoring report data had been presented
> to the Board and the
> community, which were based on 55 Board-approved
> measures; student
> academic achievement in FCPS was at an all-time
> high as a result of Dr. Dale’s
> leadership over the past five years, as FCPS
> continued to rank among the top
> school systems in the nation; a four year contract
> renewal would ensure that
> continuity of leadership; it was crucial that the
> Board and Dr. Dale continue to
> work together, with Leadership Team members,
> principals, teachers, parents,
> community members, and students, as everyone faced
> another grim budget
> year; the proposed contract contained no increase
> in salary or benefits; concern
> expressed about the community’s confidence in
> the Board and the
> Superintendent, and that offering a three year
> contract would allow the current
> Board to consider any further renewal in 2011,
> instead of a newly-elected Board
> having that responsibility in 2012; there was
> community misunderstanding about
> the role of strategic governance that needed to be
> resolved, and a
> communications plan was needed; it was the School
> Board’s responsibility to hire
> and evaluate the Superintendent and monitor the
> system’s achievements, and
> offering Dr. Dale a four year contract renewal
> would recognize these
> achievements.
> The motion to renew the employment contract for
> Jack D. Dale, Division
> Superintendent, effective September 10, 2009,
> through June 30, 2013, passed
> 7-3-1: Ms. Bradsher, Mr. Center, Mr. Gibson, Mr.
> Raney, Mrs. Smith, Mrs.
> Strauss, and Mrs. Wilson voted “ayeâ€; Ms.
> Hone, Mrs. Kory, and Mr. Storck voted
> “nayâ€; Mr. Moon abstained; with the Providence
> district seat vacant.


"and Ms. Bradsher seconded" to give him that pay increase why teachers went without. That woman is so far from being a fiscal conservative it is ridiculous.

I am not defending Dale, but the posts above say:

"the proposed contract contained no increase in salary or benefits;"

So why are some people saying Dale got an 8% raise?

I went to a meeting last night at Clifton elementary and it was such a joke. The rep from the SB said we needed to come up with some NEW ideas to keep Clifton open. FU! Leave our school alone.

And I am tired of everyone who does NOT live in Clifton saying we are snobs. We pay are fair share and more in taxes. We could send our kids to private school if we wanted but we love Clifton elementary.

If the other parents in FCPS care about their kids they should care about ours. We all want a good education for our kids. Send some ESL students if need be, we would love to have them.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Starting reading the "Community Dialogue" comments and these are just a few of them. There are over 800+ pages of comments like the ones below. Yet, this past Monday at the School Board work session, Liz B. and Dean T. reported that the community engagement was going very well, and according to Dean, "It's excellent".

YOU'VE GOT TO BE F$*&^%$ KIDDING ME!!!!! Have they read any of the comments?? Which, BTW, are NOT all from Clifton parents, but from the entire Boundary Study area.

We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open. The costs of the "required" renovations at Clifton were less than the proposed additions, and we want to see how much less the impact is to surrounding communities if Clifton stays open. And, we want it from a 3rd party. The majority of the current School Board can't be trusted. How they can possibly move forward with this BS when the majority of the parents that attended these meetings say they are a joke, is beyond me.

I hope the Clifton folks win their lawsuit. What the School Board did in closing that school is just wrong.

The rest of the comments are here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialogueforms.pdf

and here: http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/southwesternstudy/communitydialoguefeedbackforms.pdf



What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
I believe this study is flawed and doesn't give taxpayers enough info regarding high school boundary changes
and overall costs.
Additional comments:
Why did you close Clifton if you have overcrowding in the system. Seems like a stupid decision. Shouldn't you
have redistricted some of the Colin Powell students and sent them to Clifton rather then keep a 10 room
modular unit there?


Additional comments:
All 3 options make it even more confusing why an early decision was made to close an elementary school before
doing the boundary studies. What would the options and overcrowding and boundary study look like if Clifton
wasn't closed? Same question if a new school were to be built. That is a study that should be done to determine
the long term affects to the western FFX county school zone and where the Capital $'s woudl actually be best
utilized so you don't have to go through this process again in another 10 years.


What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
106% school utilization is not a good learning environment. I imagine by the way the summary is explained that
this is the option you are already looking for because it is the option that has the least overcrowding and the
least over utilization of buildings. In all scenarios, how are you going to achieve a good learning environment
and deal wtih the physical impact on facilities caused by overcrowding. How are you balancing the free and
reduced lunch ratio so that all schools have similar balances, rather than concentrating those in one school or
area as seems to be the case elsewhere.


What factors influenced your decision on the ranking above?
The closing of Clifton Elementary School does not make sense, given the boundary study outcome and creates
unnecessary impacts to so many school children.


Additional comments:
I'm embarrassed for the FCPS Board members. The work product delivered in support of this feedback cycle is
horrible. No substantive cost data along with not achieving building utilization anywhere near 95â€105 percent in
ALL elementary schools in the study area is a joke. Glad I wasn't one of the hundreds of citizens that wasted 2
hours on Monday or Tuesday to sit through this.

Dr. Evil's MiniMe and SCB skewer
ANOTHER Fairfax County resident
and member of the Planning Study.

Evil trolls.
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"Community Dialogue" Wrote:
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>
> We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.

Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut down once and for all.

And we vote.

www.shutdowncliftonES.org

To: Yupper I hope the lawsuit keeps the school open. Plus I would not want my children going to a school if it has parents like you in it. We pay a lot in taxes and we love our little school.

PS You also sound like you are green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
HA HA

What exactly was "Charlie's missive"?

Yupper - Some day you or your kids will get rolled by a bunch of political cronies who have nothing better to do than sing each other's praises. Enjoy being a pathetic troll while you can.

Elite mom in Clifton Wrote:
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> To: Yupper I hope the lawsuit keeps the school
> open. Plus I would not want my children going to a
> school if it has parents like you in it. We pay a
> lot in taxes and we love our little school.
>
> PS You also sound like you are green with envy
> that you cannot afford to live in Clifton.
> HA HA


Not Yupper here, but this comment from "Elite mom in Clifton" is what not to say or post if you want to be a better person around Fairfax County. Especially the last line. "...green with envy that you cannot afford to live in Clifton HA HA" ??? Seriously immature and bitchy. Please do Clifton Elementary a favor and keep your mouth shut and your pathetic attitude off the internet.

stay calm, that post that you commented probably wasn't by anyone from Clifton anyway, probably just some troll trying to stir the pot.

yupper Wrote:
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> "Community Dialogue" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > We want an "Option D" that keeps Clifton open.
>
> Unfortunately, many of us disagree with Option D
> and want that dump full of elitists' kids shut
> down once and for all.
>
> And we vote.
>
> www.shutdowncliftonES.org

Yupper,

Glad everyone is focused on facts here and not emotion. That is after all what got us here, FCPS thought everyone was emotional. Turns out that FCPS Staff (Dean T.) and Board, Liz and Stu in particular appear quite emotional.

Have you ever been to the school while it is in session? I'm interested to know where you drew your conclusion regarding 'elite' attitudes embedded in elementary school aged children came from if you have never step foot in the school. Oh, and if you consider Clifton Elementary a dump, might I offer up several other middle and high schools in the eastern half and central portion of Fairfax County as prime examples of ones in tremendous states of disrepair.

Fact is, assuming you are a Fairfax County taxpayer, we as taxpayers are going to pay $20M to address overcrowding in the southwester portion of Fairfax County and the overcrowding problem is not going to improve. It is going to get worse. Closing Clifton simply adds to the challenges. I'm sure the families at Fairview and Union Mill who currently enjoy non-overcrowded schools are going to be thrilled when in less than 10 months their schools will be overflowing because of hte influx of Clifton students. Fairview will likely be well over 115% capacity if Clifton closes at the end of this academic year as it appears FCPS is scheduled to execute. That doesn't seem like a responsible solution for a school community that today has no overcrowding at Fairview.

I think Yupper is really Liz Bradsher. Also known as the Sounth County Bitch. Oh I mean *Witch.

In some of the boundry studies it looks as though some kids will be on the bus for almost an hour. I know a lot of parents are going to get on the roads and drive their kids to school. Sangster,Union Mill, and Fairview. Traffic is going to be a nightmare for all. Happy commuting thru Clifton.

L-A-A-D-I-E-S A-N-D G-E-N-T-L-E-M-E-N!
The Great Swami Lizdini will now fulfill all your omniscient needs!


From: Bradsher, Elizabeth (School Board Member) [ETBradsher@fcps.edu]
To: Strauss, Jane (School Board Member)
CC:
BCC:
Sent: 7/7/2010 9:21:28 AM
Subject: RE: Thanks!

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I don't really see young families moving into Clifton--the prices are too high and most want amenities that neighborhoods afford. It is a limited # of consumers who can afford and want a Clifton environment.

Elizabeth T. Bradsher
Fairfax County School Board
Springfield District
Phone: (571) 296-1875
Debora L. Cain, Executive Administrative Assistant
Phone: (571) 423-1070
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Yupper: The elite in Clifton do not use Clifton Elementary. The elite in CLifton send their kids to private school. The not so well off go to Clifton Elementary. Just wanted to set you straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHaJZxWSCUc
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It's ridiculous to think that Liz Bradsher knows anything about how many people will move in or out of Clifton. If she knew anything about real estate, she couldn't possibly have been in favor of building Silverbrook ES, an unneeded school that is now seriously under capacity.

She was only about doing her friends favors and trying to fill her own coffers for future political campaigns. It's tough to be the biggest hypocrite ever to have served on the School Board, but she nevertheless easily takes the title.

http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-fairfax-station

LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's riveting! I never realized how educated this woman is. She is incredibly informed about Fairfax Station. Fascinating!

Seriously, check it out.

One of the schools the Clifton students will be sent to is Sangster. That is in SPRINGFIELD. I am talking about homes on Henderson and into Fairfax Station going to Sangster. Really? I can only think it is to raise the SOL scores for Sangster. This is an outrage! I hope the judge in the case sides to keep Clifton open.

Thank you ROTFL: Liz Bradsher is one stupid bitch. Holy cow how did she get on the SB. Wait till eveyone gets a load on that interview. She is so dumb. Wake up Fairfax this is who you have running YOUR county. Please look at the interview. You will die!

ROTFL Wrote:
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> http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth
> -bradsher-on-fairfax-station
>
> LIz B. recently did an interview for Patch. It's
> riveting! I never realized how educated this
> woman is. She is incredibly informed about
> Fairfax Station. Fascinating!
>
> Seriously, check it out.

Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type stuff that can't possibly be real.

Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest people ever to have held elected office in Virginia.

"I can see Clifton from my window"

+1

A direct - though inaccurate - quote from the article:

"If you go up to New Jersey and New York there's little townships like Hackensack, Morristown and Hoboken: They're all little townships. Even on Long Island you have the little towns.
But here we have a county and we don't really have little towns within the county. We just have areas, such as the Reston Town Center. It's an area, but it's not really a township. It doesn't have a city hall. It doesn't have its own fire department. It doesn't have its own schools.
So it differs very much. The pie is bigger, yet all that wealth has to be spread around a greater population."

So this is what Liz sounds like when Rob Robertory isn't scripting her every comment? Someone better stop her before she gets Reston Town Center Middle School built.

Fact: the water is fine
Fact: the enrollment is *NOT* declining
Fact: cost to renovate is not too high

We are wasting time talking about all of this other stuff... e.g. Clifton is/isn't "elite" - THAT DOESN'T MATTER - Clifton residents PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. And as per the progressive tax system, if we are supposedly so "rich"...then we pay even more taxes. So everyone out there who is complaining that we "don't deserve a school" - SHUT UP. We deserve a school just as much as any other tax payer in the county.

Focus on the facts. Stop calling us "elite". Stop saying we don't deserve a school within reasonable distance of our homes. Come on, folks, we are all Fairfax County residents here. I can't imagine saying that someone in Great Falls or McLean doesn't deserve a school just because it's an affluent community - that's absurd!

JonathanSwift Wrote:
> Is Patch like The Onion? Because this is
> hilarious, "I can see Clifton from my window"-type
> stuff that can't possibly be real.
>
> Either that, or Bradsher is one of the dumbest
> people ever to have held elected office in
> Virginia.

Here's our Mensa candidate:
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must hurry and pack kids' lunches - can't forget to add the all american drink:
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TO focus on the facts:

You are right on with everything you said. Thank you for your common sense.

@Focus on the Facts:

You do deserve a school. Depending where you live in Clifton next year that school will be Fairview, Sangster or Union Mill.

I pay taxes too - on a 5000sq.ft. house on 5 acres in Fairfax Station - my kids have been "suffering" at Fairview for years.

Your kids may not be "suffering" yet. Just wait until next year when they add 100+ more kids to Fairview and put it overcapacity. I can only imagine what it will do to the Burke Centre/123 intersection during rush hour.

Why has you child been suffering for years at Fairview? That is the school my child will attend next year after they close Clifton?

They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary School parents are fighting so hard to keep their school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is sending the message they don't want to attend other schools in the area. I have been very happy with Fairview as are many parents.

I won't have to worry about the overcrowding at Fairview. In all three boundary options we are being moved to Oakview.

Let me clarify my previous message with..

Instead of worrying about the overcrowdinng at Faiview I will have to worry about the overcrowding at Oak View.

Duff68 Wrote:
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> They have NOT been suffering at Fairview. I was
> being sarcastic because the Clifton Elementary
> School parents are fighting so hard to keep their
> school open and indirectly (in my opinion) that is
> sending the message they don't want to attend
> other schools in the area. I have been very happy
> with Fairview as are many parents.


Another mis-perception is that we don't want our kids to attend other schools because we think they are sub-par. That is unfortunate as well... I personally don't have anything against the other schools in the area. Believe me, we don't spend our time discussing how HORRIBLE Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are.

We're saddened/outraged by the fact that we spent a year bringing facts to the FCPS staff and school board that were COMPLETELY IGNORED. We were kicked in the gut and we're not happy about it. Oh, and let's not forget... even if Fairview, Sangster, and Union Mill are STELLAR schools, our kids will get SPLIT UP - different MS/HS, everything. The boundary study is insane. And closing a school to solve overcrowding is also downright stupid.

"Having other good schools in the area" is NOT a compelling reason to close a school. Why don't we just close Fairview and cram those kids into Clifton, Terra Centre, Bonnie Brae, and Sangster? Why don't we close Bonnie Brae and push those kids around? There are schools all over the place, I frankly don't understand the argument of "there are other good schools, so people get over the closure of yours."

Why are your kids being moved to Oak View? And how do you feel about it since you like Fairview? I am confused why all these kids are being moved around. Don't you feel Clifton should be kept open so your schools will not be over 100% full?

I understand you point about closing other schools however the push now is to have bigger schools (more economical). The other schools in the area have more students and have room to add even more classrooms and unfortunately Clifton doesn't have the room to add on. They are not closing it "because there are other good schools in the area."
As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too. Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a "community school?"

I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak View. I will probably like it just as much as Fairview.

Duff68 Wrote:
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> I understand you point about closing other schools
> however the push now is to have bigger schools
> (more economical). The other schools in the area
> have more students and have room to add even more
> classrooms and unfortunately Clifton doesn't have
> the room to add on. They are not closing it
> "because there are other good schools in the
> area."
> As for being split up - it isn't just a Clifton
> school - parts of Fairfax Station go there, too.
> Parts of Clifton go to Union Mill. So it really
> isn't a "community" school. Why are only parts of
> Clifton and Fairfax Station entitled to a
> "community school?"
>
> I am not sure why we are being switched to Oak
> View. I will probably like it just as much as
> Fairview.

FCPS just renovated Vienna ES and Franklin Sherman ES, each of which is close to Clifton in size.

There is no consistency at all in the School Board's statements as to the appropriate size of Fairfax schools. They want you to believe right now that elementary schools should have approximately 900 students, just like they claimed during the South Lakes redistricting that every high school should have 2000 students. Wait a few years after they've completed this redistricting and these statements will be ignored, if not forgotten.

You sound like a good sport who goes with the flow, and probably makes the best of any situation, but other people have legitimate gripes with the decision to close Clifton.

My child is slated to go to Fairview from Clifton elementary. I am fine with that if we lose the lawsuit. My question to you is if I drive my kids to school(I live near St Clairs church on Henderson) how long would it take me in the morning?


PS I am going to drive them since I don't like having them take the bus in the AM. My younger son (age 6) says the bus driver is mean and the kids are a little out of control.

I don't know how long it will take you as I live in the same area as Duff68. We come at Fairview opposite of traffic so our drive is 10mins max. It does not look like a pleasant drive as you will be hitting 123 just before 8am going with traffic.

We are slotted for Oak View on all 3 options due to trying to make room for the Clifton kids who will be moving there. However, there was a strong argument made to the school board at our last PTA meeting to keep us at Fairview due to busing routes. It makes little sense to send a 1/2 filled bus to Fairview only to pass our homes while our kids get on a 1/2 filled bus to travel farther to Oak View.

Funny thing is that we live just as close to Clifton ES as we do Fairview ES but now they want to send us even farther away.