Neen Wrote:
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> >>>>Oakton Kid: I'm sorry, but I have to wonder if
> your parents' virulence has infected you. How do
> you really KNOW it's "not a good school?" Really
> know? Apart from minor score differentials and
> rankings that reasonable adults know to be quite
> flawed when it comes to telling the whole story --
> and that really are minor differentials?
>
> Did you know, for example, that South Lakes
> "ranks" in the top 2.5% of all schools in the
> US?<<<
>
> So what? Shouldn't the decision still be the
> parent's decision? Kids don't decide where they
> are educated, parents do.


Its a public education. You can "choose" to go to private school.

foxmill/carson/oakton parent Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >>>>If Fox Mill is the only complete school to
> go
> > to SL, would we then move to Hughes<<<
> >
> > Yes, of course. It would be an easy move for
> the
> > school board.
>
>
> I hope that people bring that up tomorrow night.
> Fox Mill parents are becoming more united about
> this, and nothing will get their attention more
> than the thought of losing Carson. Right now the
> FME parents that I've spoken with are feeling sort
> of like a tiny voice compared with Herndon HS,
> which has a lot to lose if any changes are made to
> their enrollment. Even the HHS parents who
> wouldn't be moved see that losing Aldrin and
> Armstrong hurts their school. We worry that the
> rest of the Oakton parents (non FME) have sighed
> with relief and moved on. Don't throw us under the
> bus! Get your friends to suport NO redistricting.
> We Shall Overcoooome. Crossfield, you could be
> next.

I really don't think that going to SL or Hughes is being thrown under a bus. It is a change, and I am the first to acknowledge that, but it's not as bad as all that. Hughes has a great new principal as well,and many of the parents you have conversed with here have kids at Hughes and SL. You would have a lot of peers.

I think you would really benefit from visiting SL, if you haven't already. I'm sure you could arrange a group tour for a large contingent of FME parents, and East Floris parents as well.

Bulldog: Crossfield by itself would not have done enough to fill South Lakes' openings, and adding any nearby school would have put the numbers way over the top, so I believe that is why it was left out.

I supposed it could be split, but reducing splits is an aim of this change.

Floris is being considered for a split because the portion West of Centreville Road will be going to the new Coppermine, along with part of "West" McNair, so in the end, "East" Floris will be one school anyway.

One reason McNair is being split is because there are projected to be a total of 800 kids feeding into high school from the western side, with the new developments already being built there. It may be possible to keep McNair together and send them to Westfield as they are now, along with Coppermine, if "East" Floris is moved to South Lakes.

Does that answer your question?

Anyone have an answer?


foxmill/carson/oakton parent Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >>>>If Fox Mill is the only complete school to
> go
> > to SL, would we then move to Hughes<<<
> >
> > Yes, of course. It would be an easy move for
> the
> > school board.
>
>
> I hope that people bring that up tomorrow night.
> Fox Mill parents are becoming more united about
> this, and nothing will get their attention more
> than the thought of losing Carson. Right now the
> FME parents that I've spoken with are feeling sort
> of like a tiny voice compared with Herndon HS,
> which has a lot to lose if any changes are made to
> their enrollment. Even the HHS parents who
> wouldn't be moved see that losing Aldrin and
> Armstrong hurts their school. We worry that the
> rest of the Oakton parents (non FME) have sighed
> with relief and moved on. Don't throw us under the
> bus! Get your friends to suport NO redistricting.
> We Shall Overcoooome. Crossfield, you could be
> next.


I'm actually surprised Crossfield wasn't involved in the redistricting options. Since they have such a big district, and because they're in between Chantilly and South Lakes, and closer to those two schools than where they currently go, Oakton. Does anyone happen to know why Crossfield doesn't get affected by the options? I'm just curious.

Neen Wrote:
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> >>>Uh, I definitely am a high school student<<<
>
> Bulldog, of course you are. Please ignore the
> nasty South Lakes parents who aren't used to
> articulate high school students. Your AP program,
> and your parents, have served you well.

Neen, I guess you are off your game, because the parent questioning Bulldog was most certainly not a SL parent and was angry with Bulldog for conversing with the enemy. But it's nice to see that you at least defend the kids on your side of the argument, even as you go after the SL kids like a rat terrior.

>>>Jay Matthews admitted that 20%, not 5% of the top schools are selective<<<

Wow! Wouldn't that be great if FCPS would allow us to have more selective schools? That would mean we could have FIVE selective high schools, rather than only one! That would be wonderful for our kids who really want to learn and advance in their studies.

Clarifier Wrote:
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> Bulldog: Crossfield by itself would not have done
> enough to fill South Lakes' openings, and adding
> any nearby school would have put the numbers way
> over the top, so I believe that is why it was left
> out.
>
> I supposed it could be split, but reducing splits
> is an aim of this change.
>
> Floris is being considered for a split because the
> portion West of Centreville Road will be going to
> the new Coppermine, along with part of "West"
> McNair, so in the end, "East" Floris will be one
> school anyway.
>
> One reason McNair is being split is because there
> are projected to be a total of 800 kids feeding
> into high school from the western side, with the
> new developments already being built there. It may
> be possible to keep McNair together and send them
> to Westfield as they are now, along with
> Coppermine, if "East" Floris is moved to South
> Lakes.
>
> Does that answer your question?

Sorry, Clarifier, saw your answer after I reposted the question. Yes, it does answer my question. I was just surprised since Crossfield feeds into Carson and then Oakton, if they were to take the Floris, Fox Mill, and Crossfield students and not involve the McNair students (even though it'd be creating an island of McNair and lowering the population at Oakton), that it may solve the 'underpopulation issue' at South Lakes without touching a school that is a Title 1 school, McNair.

imabulldog Wrote:

>
> Sorry, Clarifier, saw your answer after I reposted
> the question. Yes, it does answer my question. I
> was just surprised since Crossfield feeds into
> Carson and then Oakton, if they were to take the
> Floris, Fox Mill, and Crossfield students and not
> involve the McNair students (even though it'd be
> creating an island of McNair and lowering the
> population at Oakton), that it may solve the
> 'underpopulation issue' at South Lakes without
> touching a school that is a Title 1 school,
> McNair.

The other problem is geography. This area is bumping up against the Northwest border of the County, so room has to be left for any future growth for those kids. Thus, keeping Crossfield with schools to the east makes sense. You have a long day tomorrow, what with the meeting tomorrow night. Clarifier and I will be in our 'colors' so look for us.

>>>even as you go after the SL kids like a rat terrior.<<<

When did I do that?

Yes, I criticized their grammar since no student at South Lakes knows when to use the contraction 'you're' rather than the possessive pronoun, 'your'. That goes back to their elementary schools, when they should have learned the difference.

However, I don't think children should be involved in the discussion. It is their parent's decision where they should be educated.

It is interesting that so many parents think Bulldog is not a high school student but no one questioned the South Lakes students. Makes one wonder why they are so obviously high school students. For all the talk of how the IB program teaches students to think and to write, that doesn't appear to the be case here.

An addition to the explantaion about Crossfield, the scenario would have Fox Mill AND East Floris go to South Lakes -- East Floris and Madison island alone would not do the job. By adding Fox Mill, you can unite Navy into Oakton -- if that's what they want. I know you're concerned about moving Fox Mill -- so I didn't want to mislead you.

a friend of mine just emailed me and she said that one of the South Lakes gangs is thinking of doing something at Westfield. My father is going to that meeting. Is this for real or just some crazy talk.

Bird lover,
You don't think teenagers use the expression 'golly wolly'? Really?

Me neither.

imabulldog Wrote:
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>
>
> Sorry, Clarifier, saw your answer after I reposted
> the question. Yes, it does answer my question. I
> was just surprised since Crossfield feeds into
> Carson and then Oakton, if they were to take the
> Floris, Fox Mill, and Crossfield students and not
> involve the McNair students (even though it'd be
> creating an island of McNair and lowering the
> population at Oakton), that it may solve the
> 'underpopulation issue' at South Lakes without
> touching a school that is a Title 1 school,
> McNair.


Crossfield, and Fox Mill are too many students. However, some Crossfield students already go to South Lakes. They could cut across Crossfield by neighborhood, but that alway seems so unpleasant - cutting up neighborhoods.

But Fox Mill, and the eastern part of Floris doesn't make McNair an island.

Another idea would be to move the eastern part of McNair below the Toll Road to Herndon and keep the western part of McNair along with the western part of Floris (future Coppermine school) at Westfield.

If you pull up the overall map on fcps.edu of the area, you'll see that neither of these make McNair an island.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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> foxmill/carson/oakton parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Neen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > >>>>If Fox Mill is the only complete school
> to
> > go
> > > to SL, would we then move to Hughes<<<
> > >
> > > Yes, of course. It would be an easy move for
> > the
> > > school board.
> >
> >
> > I hope that people bring that up tomorrow
> night.
> > Fox Mill parents are becoming more united about
> > this, and nothing will get their attention more
> > than the thought of losing Carson. Right now
> the
> > FME parents that I've spoken with are feeling
> sort
> > of like a tiny voice compared with Herndon HS,
> > which has a lot to lose if any changes are made
> to
> > their enrollment. Even the HHS parents who
> > wouldn't be moved see that losing Aldrin and
> > Armstrong hurts their school. We worry that the
> > rest of the Oakton parents (non FME) have
> sighed
> > with relief and moved on. Don't throw us under
> the
> > bus! Get your friends to suport NO
> redistricting.
> > We Shall Overcoooome. Crossfield, you could be
> > next.
>
> I really don't think that going to SL or Hughes is
> being thrown under a bus. It is a change, and I am
> the first to acknowledge that, but it's not as bad
> as all that. Hughes has a great new principal as
> well,and many of the parents you have conversed
> with here have kids at Hughes and SL. You would
> have a lot of peers.
>
> I think you would really benefit from visiting SL,
> if you haven't already. I'm sure you could
> arrange a group tour for a large contingent of FME
> parents, and East Floris parents as well.


Maybe, all I know is that Hughes has a worse reputation (some deserved, some urban myth, but still out there) than SL. A lot of parents think that middle school is a very critical time and kids are more susceptible than they are in high school. Also, Carson is awesome, everyone loves it, so no matter how good Hughes may be we just don't want to lose Carson. Of course many kids go through Hughes then SL and come out of it all just fine, (I know some real life people) but it will never be our preference. Even Clarifier didn't pupil place there.

If my younger kids wind up at SL, I think they will go on to be productive members of society, but for the reasons stated by myself and others, it's not what we would choose if given a choice. Many of us have kids already in high school, and thank goodness they won't be moved. Honestly, that was my first priority. Now, as I've said before, I'm just trying to see that any boundary changes are done fairly, and these aren't. Plus I just find many of these post so entertaining. I want to party with Neen and Birdlover someday, although I may be disappointed if they are as obnoxious as some of you say they are. Still, obnoxious plus funny is still funny.

Neen Wrote:
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> >>>even as you go after the SL kids like a rat
> terrior.<<<
>
> When did I do that?

Try Jazzy Jeff.

>
> It is interesting that so many parents think
> Bulldog is not a high school student but no one
> questioned the South Lakes students. Makes one
> wonder why they are so obviously high school
> students. For all the talk of how the IB program
> teaches students to think and to write, that
> doesn't appear to the be case here.

Maybe you have selective amnesia, but several SL students were accused of being adults. Their posts were very articulate and grammatically correct (e.g., remember Warren - I know you do!). They were accused of being me, as well as others. Go back and read from several days ago if you are having trouble remembering. Or maybe you need to be with Old Timer at the home.

And for the record, the only parent to question Bulldog's authenticity has been Parent Pissed, and he is not a SL parent. Clarifier and I, both SL parents, have been conversing civilly with him all day. And for the PC out there, I realize him could be a her.

Neen,
I understand where you're come from, but ultimately, the children are the ones who are affected by the redistricting, not the parents. The parents aren't the ones attending the school, the kids are. I, along with other students, deserve to have a voice in this topic since redistricting directly pertains to me. Parents may dictate where their children are educated, but that doesn't mean the kids shouldn't be allowed to be heard on this topic.


SubmissiveWiiRNot,
I'll be in my Westfield colors, too. I don't know what colors you all will necessarily be in, but I do look forward to the meeting and to see the outcome from everyone of each community and to hear their thoughts.

Clarifier,
I'm not in the Fox Mill district, but I am concerned about them getting moved. I don't think anyone needs to move. When it comes down to it, though, I just hope the kids who do get redistricted can deal with it and aren't negative about it.

kids talk Wrote:
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> a friend of mine just emailed me and she said that
> one of the South Lakes gangs is thinking of doing
> something at Westfield. My father is going to
> that meeting. Is this for real or just some crazy
> talk.

It's just crazy and I might add purposefully misleading and irresponsible talk from two parents posting here who are against redistricting. I am sure you will be quite safe, and you should participate.

I am really surprised that Neen isn't a politician. She has twisted and turned everything said about South Lakes and its kids to her supposed advantage, spinning, spinning, spinning. I can feel her glee.

I challenge any poster to weigh the numbers of slams about South Lakes by others with the numbers of slams from South Lakes about others. It doesn't look good for **Lost** "others." Until now, I have been ignoring them.

If anyone really cares, it is non-South Lakes parents who have repeatedly accused South Lakes kids of being "adults." Which we, of course, took to be compliments.

I'm just saying this because we SLHS parents are perfectly proud to be FAIRFAX parents when we see great kids from Westfield, Oakton, and Chantilly posting reasoned points.

Dumb said:
>>>Its a public education. You can "choose" to go to private school.<<<

Of course! How silly of those parents who bought houses in particular school districts thought their children would attend the schools that they chose for them. They should have bought in a cheaper neighborhood and used the extra money for private schools.

Good point, dumby! They should have known better than to count on public schools.

You're here a bit early tonight. Will you attend the meeting tomorrow night? Will you participate as little as you did at the first meeting?

See you then! Be sure to stop by room 221, and the cafeteria. ;)

Neen Wrote:
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> Bird lover,
> You don't think teenagers use the expression
> 'golly wolly'? Really?
>
> Me neither.

Neen, you are such a hypocrite. Did you not just mistakenly accuse SL parents of questioning the bulldog. Pot, meet bitterly blackened and wizened kettle.

Oh I get it, no product of an IB education could ever post articulately. Only AP students are capable.

Neen Wrote:
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> Dumb said:
> >>>Its a public education. You can "choose" to go
> to private school.<<<
>
> Of course! How silly of those parents who bought
> houses in particular school districts thought
> their children would attend the schools that they
> chose for them. They should have bought in a
> cheaper neighborhood and used the extra money for
> private schools.
>
> Good point, dumby! They should have known better
> than to count on public schools.
>
> You're here a bit early tonight. Will you attend
> the meeting tomorrow night? Will you participate
> as little as you did at the first meeting?
>
> See you then! Be sure to stop by room 221, and the
> cafeteria. ;)


Why don't you all just go to a larger room that they have set up for tomorrow? Such as the lecture hall? I'm sure they're going to use it. If they don't, though, the classrooms are fairly big, you'll all be able to fit into one... just try and get matching agendas or something.

kids talk Wrote:
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> a friend of mine just emailed me and she said that
> one of the South Lakes gangs is thinking of doing
> something at Westfield. My father is going to
> that meeting. Is this for real or just some crazy
> talk.

gang members probably neither know nor care about this issue.

>>>>I am really surprised that Neen isn't a politician.<<<

Wow! Thank you! I know how fond you are of your elected representatives, so that is quite a compliment.

BTW, how do you that I'm not a politician?

Right now the
> FME parents that I've spoken with are feeling sort
> of like a tiny voice compared with Herndon HS,
> which has a lot to lose if any changes are made to
> their enrollment. Even the HHS parents who
> wouldn't be moved see that losing Aldrin and
> Armstrong hurts their school. We worry that the
> rest of the Oakton parents (non FME) have sighed
> with relief and moved on. Don't throw us under the
> bus! Get your friends to suport NO redistricting.
> We Shall Overcoooome. Crossfield, you could be
> next.<<<

FME parents have reason for concern. It's a shame that you all will be the only ones who have to go to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't help South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help your kids.

imabullshitdog

You still here, doing your homework, while chatting with Clarifier and that Submissive moron, her twin.

You are a lying creep. So is Clarifier/Submissive/Casual Observser/Thomas More....and the list goes on.


Cut the crap.

FCO Parent: I did in fact pupil-place my oldest to finish at Hughes when we moved to Franklin Farm. As for the others, I saw no need to pupil-place and have to drive kids for just two years at Carson, and I wanted them to get to know kids in their neighborhood, whether they went to different high schools or not. I knew the IB certificate wasn't all that important and that pre-IB in 7th & 8th grade wasn't necessary to be prepared for pre-IB and IB at South Lakes. So you see, I have experience at both middle schools, and I like them both -- and have volunteered huge amounts of time at both, with all strata of kids there. Each has their beauty. Both are outstanding.

foxmill/carson/oakton parent Wrote:
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>
> Maybe, all I know is that Hughes has a worse
> reputation (some deserved, some urban myth, but
> still out there) than SL.

Guess what, a few years ago SL had the worse reputation. Things can change quickly. Perhaps you are not aware, but when Carson was built, Hughes lost half of it's GT center, so Carson is now benefiting from students who used to be at Hughes.
>
Plus I just
> find many of these post so entertaining. I want to
> party with Neen and Birdlover someday, although I
> may be disappointed if they are as obnoxious as
> some of you say they are. Still, obnoxious plus
> funny is still funny.

I'm just sad that you don't want to party with me.

Crossfield was left off because Fox Mill and Crossfield would have been too many students for SLHS. Also, because they are both at Oakton which is not over capacity, also,it doesn't address the "overcrowding" issue at Chantilly and Westfield. If Crossfield goes to SLHS then you have a huge backfill void and a huge counter clockwise movement of a LOT of elementary schools to fill Oakton back up.

Why don't people look at the big picture! It's about the location of all the high schools not just proximity to Southlakes. And also about where the growth is occuring at the clocktower area.

Again...why did you people elect Kathy Smith and then complain about what might happen.

>>>Does anyone happen to know why Crossfield doesn't get affected by the options? I'm just curious.<<<<

Me too! I was surprised that Crossfield is totally left out. Perhaps it pays to organize. Let's remember Joe Hill.

Parent Pissed Wrote:
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> imabullshitdog
>
> You still here, doing your homework, while
> chatting with Clarifier and that Submissive moron,
> her twin.
>
> You are a lying creep. So is
> Clarifier/Submissive/Casual Observser/Thomas
> More....and the list goes on.
>
>
> Cut the crap.


Lay off. We're making polite conversation. I'm done with my homework, thanks for being concerned, though. I'm not lying, search my e-mail address in Google and see what pops up... just take off the '@hotmail.com' part, and you'll find me. THAT'D be a creepy thing to do, though.

>>>Again...why did you people elect Kathy Smith and then complain about what might happen.<<<

What does Kathy have to do with it? Her people aren't moving anywhere, are they?

Neen Wrote:
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>
> FME parents have reason for concern. It's a shame
> that you all will be the only ones who have to go
> to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't help
> South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help your
> kids.

And you purport to care about all students, including those of SL. You have shown yourself to be nothing but an elitist. Yes, educate the 'children' but just don't put them in any of the white neighborhoods, and certainly not at TJ or Madison, where my children went. Amazing, you actually sound a lot like Hillary and I'll bet you don't like that comparison.

To imabulldog and Brian and the other articulate students (with and without grammar mishaps and typos)

It has been most pleasant to read your posts and discuss/converse with you
as opposed to most of the adults on this board.

I've rarely seen the students personally attack, yes there've been a couple of exceptions, but for the most part, the students try to debate the issues and discuss them in a rational and civil manner.

The adults are rude, criticize the poster's motives, and rarely make valid points.

I think all the adults who either post here or just read the posts, need to spend some time thinking about why the kids are so civil, bright, and articulate and many of the adults are not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2007 12:00AM by Old Timer.

Old Timer Wrote:
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> To imabulldog and Brian and the other articulate
> students (with and without grammar mishaps and
> typos)
>
> It has been most pleasant to read your posts and
> discuss/converse with you
> as opposed to most of the adults on this board.
>
> I've rarely seen the students personally attack,
> yes there've been a couple of exceptions, but for
> the most part, the students try to debate the
> issues and discuss them in a rational and civil
> manner.
>
> The adults are rude, criticize the poster's
> motives, and rarely make valid points.
>
> I think all the adults who either post here or
> just read the posts, need to spend some time
> thinking about why the kids are so civil, bright,
> and articulate and the adults are not.


Haha. It's been nice chatting with you, too. Thank you for recognizing that the students are trying to handle this in the calmest way we can, and that obviously means student involvement.

Wiir,
You just aren't that entertaining. That's why no one wants to party with you. Plus, you're just not groovy. Sorry. As the kids say, 'sucks to be you'.

Why are liberals so humorless? No wonder people don't want to party with you. Who wants to party with a bunch of dower whiners who are always so unhappy?

Cheer up! Someone will go to your school, even if they don't want to. That should make you and dumby happy, at least a bit.

"friend of mine just emailed me and she said that one of the South Lakes gangs is thinking of doing something at Westfield."


wowwww
and so it begins!

"one of" the gangs
that is laughable.

obviously someone never learned how to detect sarcasm before texting everyone in their contacts list about a rumor they heard on the underground

Well, goodnight everyone.
I hope you can all attend the meeting tomorrow, regardless on what your view of redistricting is - everyone deserves to have their opinion heard.
Get there early, though. I have a feeling this meeting will be more crowded than the one at Chantilly... guess we'll all just have to wait and find out.

Wiirwrong said:

>>>FME parents have reason for concern. It's a shame
> that you all will be the only ones who have to go
> to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't help
> South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help your
> kids.

And you purport to care about all students, including those of SL. You have shown yourself to be nothing but an elitist. Yes, educate the 'children' but just don't put them in any of the white neighborhoods, and certainly not at TJ or Madison, where my children went. Amazing, you actually sound a lot like Hillary and I'll bet you don't like that comparison.<<<

When did I EVER mention race or neighborhood? Where in that post did I say that? I didn't.

Please try to focus on what I posted. I am on YOUR side. Sending only Fox Mill is not enough to help South Lakes. Isn't that what YOU say too? Isn't it YOU who doesn't want McNair but wants Fox Mill PLUS Floris?

You are losing it. I understand. Your boy has screwed your school and you are hoping for a scenario #5 which you are smart enough to know won't happen. But, please, try to realize that I am not the enemy. I agree with you that South Lakes is getting screwed. So is Fox Mill. Sending McNair and Fox Mill won't help South Lakes. There is NO point in doing that. Fox Mill parents will bail. You know it, and I know it. There is NO proposed scenario that will help South Lakes enough which means there was no point to all of this, other than getting more bodies into South Lakes.

Talk to your boy if you aren't happy with what he's proposed for South Lakes. I don't support any of the scenarios either. A magnet would have had a MUCH greater chance of attracting students to South Lakes and getting the courses that you wanted for your students. Now you will get neither.

Neen Wrote:
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> Wiir,
> You just aren't that entertaining. That's why no
> one wants to party with you. Plus, you're just
> not groovy. Sorry. As the kids say, 'sucks to be
> you'.
>
> Why are liberals so humorless? No wonder people
> don't want to party with you. Who wants to party
> with a bunch of dower whiners who are always so
> unhappy?
>
> Cheer up! Someone will go to your school, even if
> they don't want to. That should make you and
> dumby happy, at least a bit.

I'm not here to entertain, and thank God my posts are not as vacuous as your comic sidekick's are. I love my life, btw, and I am an eternal optimist. That is why I know that this will all work out, despite your best efforts to turn everyone against South Lakes. You are the one who seems down - you have no faith in the County in which you chose to live. I am amazed at the time you spend here when you live in an area that is not affected in the least by this redistricting. More power to you, I guess, but the rewards of all your time will be negligible, at best.

BTW, I am about as conservative as they come and proud of it. I'm just not an elitist like you. And since you are all about the grammar thingy, its dour, not dower as you said above.

i guess you could say a magnet would make south lakes a more ATTRACTIVE school???

Clarifier
Date: December 02, 2007 11:40PM


I am really surprised that Neen isn't a politician

________________

I'd be really surprised if you, golly wolly, Clarifier, weren't a hired HACK.
BYW, you stink at your job, although, it's a job that by its very nature, stinks.

Bulldog said
>>> Well, goodnight everyone.
I hope you can all attend the meeting tomorrow, regardless on what your view of redistricting is - everyone deserves to have their opinion heard.
Get there early, though. I have a feeling this meeting will be more crowded than the one at Chantilly... guess we'll all just have to wait and find out.<<<

I hope I get to see you tomorrow night. I suspect you are right, it will be VERY crowded. Even though the school board scheduled these meetings in December to minimize participation, it won't work, just as their other objectives haven't worked either. Oh well! Dealing with the public, in PUBLIC schools, can be a beetch!

>>>i guess you could say a magnet would make south lakes a more ATTRACTIVE school???<<<

Yes! Just as it did at TJ. It's a dump, but that doesn't stop 2,800 kids a year from trying to get in.

Good night, bullshitdog.

Wiiraliberal said:

>>>I am about as conservative as they come and proud of it.<<<

Not a chance. A Conservative doesn't believe that the government should decide where people live or where their children must go to school. We're big on CHOICE and the government leaving us alone. If we don't like our schools, we move, or go to private schools, we don't tell other people they MUST go to our school.

Keep this in mind...

Anyone who gets moved to SL is getting the short end, because they are going to be moving from a high ranked high school to a lower ranked school..(greatschools, schooldigger, newsweek, us news and world report, fcps web site, etc., etc, etc.)

Reality Msg to SL people - you feel the same way about McNair as we do about you.

Neen Wrote:
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> Wiirwrong said:
>
> >>>FME parents have reason for concern. It's a
> shame
> > that you all will be the only ones who have to
> go
> > to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't help
> > South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help your
> > kids.

Instead of being so negative, and actually cheering the Fox Mill parents to bail, which is in essence what you are doing, why not encourage them to align with us to improve the scenarios? You say I am the negative one, but just read your own posts. They are full of doom and gloom. I, on the other hand, am working to effect change and will continue to do so. I have more faith and optimism than you, and that my dear, is what defines my conservatism.

Now, if you really care about the kids of Reston, we would welcome your assistance. You can join our efforts any time.

Hey, bullshit dog,

All set with your homework... finish all that AP studying.

Good, wouldn't want all your bullshit to get in the way.

Happy REM.

i was making a magnet joke
next up: north and south fairfax county: do opposites attract?

Actually Neen, your beliefs are more libertarian than conservative. You can choose to believe that I am not a conservative if you like, but that won't change the facts on the ground. As I said, I am not an elitist, and I have been very happy with South Lakes. I also think it can be better. You made choices that insulated you in a little conservative bubble. I don't mind mixing with and debating people in my community who aren't exactly like me politically, socioeconomically and racially.

Good night. Enjoy posting with parent pissed. He doesn't much like my company either (he btw- doesn't like the bulldog - does that tell you something).

Submissive One.

You didn't enjoy any ping pong with me, unless....hmmmmmm.

OK.. I'll give you a point, here, albeit, a dirty point.

Old Timer writes:

"I think all the adults who either post here or just read the posts, need to spend some time thinking about why the kids are so civil, bright, and articulate and many of the adults are not."

__________

Sorry, Grandpa,

Get back in that puzzle room. And, stay in there. Trust me, you're not making any sense.

Submissive to Neen,

Good night. Enjoy posting with parent pissed. He doesn't much like my company either (he btw- doesn't like the bulldog - does that tell you something).

__________

Well, exactly what should that tell us, bright one.

You need to change your batteries, they're running low. That red light's been blinking for hours.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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> ...improve the scenarios? ...
>
> Now, if you really care about the kids of Reston,
> we would welcome your assistance. You can join our
> efforts any time.

I tried to analyze the numbers - FCPS should do this by closer analysis of the elementary schools capacity/boundaries and what would actually feed to the Coppermine site . Presenting those scenarios moving these schools in bulk based on their current attendance areas is not good. It also appears that Aldrin & Armstrong should get a divorce and that the high school students decrease from their combined area in 2012. Mcnair to Herndon and Aldrin [also shares extensive boundaries with Forest Edge] to South Lakes could be a long term high school change . [Westfields almost 400 for academy-others decent cushion], Madison had some move into Oakton from Flint Hill and is still about -30. Since that Luther Jackson boundary change I guess some school board members will be having a boundary change on the east end of Madison.

Then FCPS could try a North /South route - and flip Forest Edge and Lake Anne into Herndon.

Submissive writes this:

"I just find many of these post so entertaining. I want to
party with Neen and Birdlover someday."


____________________

Sub... I'm just afraid that neen and I would be stuck carrying you up to bed. You might be a light weight, but you know what they say about dead weight.

WiiWii said

>>>your beliefs are more libertarian than conservative<<<

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Is there?

>>>I am not an elitist<<<

That's nice. Thanks for sharing!

>>>You made choices that insulated you in a little conservative bubble.<<<

I thought you said that I was more libertarian than conservative. Maybe I'm in a libertarian bubble. I guess I'm just lucky that my bubble allows me to post. Still, it's difficult with all this plastic around me.

>>>I don't mind mixing with and debating people in my community who aren't exactly like me politically, socioeconomically and racially.<<<

Whereas I only come here to associate with people who are just like me, politically, socioeconomically, and racially.

BTW are you sure that everyone here is just like me? Because if they aren't I'm going right back into my libertarian bubble. Bird has promised to bring me food.

Let me know. I wouldn't want to be in an environment where anyone disagreed with me. I NEVER put my self in that position. I just stay in my libertarian bubble rather than debate anyone about anything, especially if they aren't in my socioeconomic group. I always check that first. So let me know about the posters here, I am clueless about their race, their politics, and their economic status. Heck, I don't even know their religion or marital status! Yikes! If they're not JUST like me, then I am right back in my libertarian bubble. (Or Conservative bubble, wherever you decide to pigeon hole me.)

Thanks.

TAxpayer,
What does this mean?
>>>Since that Luther Jackson boundary change I guess some school board members will be having a boundary change on the east end of Madison.<<<

Didn't the Luther Jackson change only move GT kids from Kilmer to Jackson? Or did I miss a Madison boundary change?

Good, the government thugs are going sleepy nigh, nigh.


At the meeting:

We will not allow the thugs to take control.


WE WILL BE IN CONTROL.

COMPLETELY.

HERE WE COME. STRONG AND UNITED.
Attachments:

Why does everyone from Westfield, Chantilly and Oakton feel we need to figure out a fair way to send a mix to SLHS from our schools????? We should unite and put the pressure on those that caused this mess.

Aldridge and Armstrong need to go to SLHS!

SLHS wouldn't need kids if Strauss and Gibson hadn't interferred with the Langley boundary. These two elemenatary schools should have already been at Southlakes. As Fox Mill said..she is concerned that the Herndon lobby is too strong and organized.

Everyone vote for option #4....fix what (untouchable) Strauss and Langley caused.

I know herndon PTSA has been working the school board hard and won't be talking "no boundary changes" tonight. THey are coming after us and hard. South of the Tollway need to unite.

Neen Wrote:
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> Bird lover,
> You don't think teenagers use the expression
> 'golly wolly'? Really?
>
> Me neither.

I know the author of the comment "Golly wolly" quite well. Her doctor thought that she might have strep last week, but -- fortunately -- the culture was negative and she was told that she could go back to school after a day at home. And so she is back at her rigorous academic endeavors, work, college applications, and dealing with her folks as best as she can.

She normally does not use "golly wolly", but it was a response to the dumbfounding, other-worldy responses that came from such wits as Neen, BirdLover, VaDriver, Hokie42, and the one-and-only Spanky. (My words; her reaction).

It was a joke, but one intended to underscore how vitriolic the responses were to the SLHS kids who were defending their school and peers against what they feel are unfair and uninformed attacks. She noted that "golly wolly" was better than what often emerges from my profane instincts.

Thanks, btw, to the Neenster, Birdblather, etc. for demonstrating that her folks aren't so bad, in comparison.

Same kudos for imabulldog. Rational and respectful discourse, even in disagreement, will take you a long way and a lot of great places.

PADRE,

Nice try.

But, no cigar.

Winston Wrote:
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> Why does everyone from Westfield, Chantilly and
> Oakton feel we need to figure out a fair way to
> send a mix to SLHS from our schools????? We should
> unite and put the pressure on those that caused
> this mess.
>
> Aldridge and Armstrong need to go to SLHS!
>
> SLHS wouldn't need kids if Strauss and Gibson
> hadn't interferred with the Langley boundary.
> These two elemenatary schools should have already
> been at Southlakes. As Fox Mill said..she is
> concerned that the Herndon lobby is too strong and
> organized.
>
> Everyone vote for option #4....fix what
> (untouchable) Strauss and Langley caused.
>
> I know herndon PTSA has been working the school
> board hard and won't be talking "no boundary
> changes" tonight. THey are coming after us and
> hard. South of the Tollway need to unite.

Reston schools north of the toll road have the same issues as Herndon pta for Aldrin [located near Aldrin] on crossing business Reston, toll road, metro construction.

BirdLover Wrote:
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> Submissive writes this:
>
> "I just find many of these post so entertaining. I
> want to
> party with Neen and Birdlover someday."
>
>
> ____________________
>
> Sub... I'm just afraid that neen and I would be
> stuck carrying you up to bed. You might be a light
> weight, but you know what they say about dead
> weight.


Actually, I'm the one who wanted to party with you. I enjoy the wicked sense of humor. I generally dislike conservatives as a group, but on an individual basis some of you are okay, as long as you keep the caustic observations coming. If you are a fan of The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, we'll get along just fine. I look forward to the pre-game entertainment tonight. Jazzy Jeff, you still on?

BirdLover Wrote:
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> Submissive writes this:
>
> "I just find many of these post so entertaining. I
> want to
> party with Neen and Birdlover someday."
>
>
> ____________________
>
> Sub... I'm just afraid that neen and I would be
> stuck carrying you up to bed. You might be a light
> weight, but you know what they say about dead
> weight.

Actually, if you had read correctly, you would have seen that I did not say the above, Fox Mill/Carson/Oakton mom did. I actually have no desire to party with you. I just don't think you are fun, or funny.

Neen Wrote:
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> WiiWii said
>
> >>>your beliefs are more libertarian than
> conservative<<<
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with that. Is
> there?
>
> >>>I am not an elitist<<<
>
> That's nice. Thanks for sharing!
>
> >>>You made choices that insulated you in a little
> conservative bubble.<<<
>
> I thought you said that I was more libertarian
> than conservative. Maybe I'm in a libertarian
> bubble. I guess I'm just lucky that my bubble
> allows me to post. Still, it's difficult with all
> this plastic around me.
>
> >>>I don't mind mixing with and debating people in
> my community who aren't exactly like me
> politically, socioeconomically and racially.<<<
>
> Whereas I only come here to associate with people
> who are just like me, politically,
> socioeconomically, and racially.
>
> BTW are you sure that everyone here is just like
> me? Because if they aren't I'm going right back
> into my libertarian bubble. Bird has promised to
> bring me food.
>
> Let me know. I wouldn't want to be in an
> environment where anyone disagreed with me. I
> NEVER put my self in that position. I just stay in
> my libertarian bubble rather than debate anyone
> about anything, especially if they aren't in my
> socioeconomic group. I always check that first.
> So let me know about the posters here, I am
> clueless about their race, their politics, and
> their economic status. Heck, I don't even know
> their religion or marital status! Yikes! If
> they're not JUST like me, then I am right back in
> my libertarian bubble. (Or Conservative bubble,
> wherever you decide to pigeon hole me.)
>
> Thanks.

JM, you really do need to find a life. I was merely pointing out that you chose to live and educate your children in a bubble, and I did not. You don't have to get all defensive on us. We really don't care.

Now, about my invitation to stop complaining and join our efforts to help the children of Reston?

taxpayer Wrote:
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> Winston Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why does everyone from Westfield, Chantilly and
> > Oakton feel we need to figure out a fair way to
> > send a mix to SLHS from our schools????? We
> should
> > unite and put the pressure on those that caused
> > this mess.
> >
> > Aldridge and Armstrong need to go to SLHS!
> >
> > SLHS wouldn't need kids if Strauss and Gibson
> > hadn't interferred with the Langley boundary.
> > These two elemenatary schools should have
> already
> > been at Southlakes. As Fox Mill said..she is
> > concerned that the Herndon lobby is too strong
> and
> > organized.
> >
> > Everyone vote for option #4....fix what
> > (untouchable) Strauss and Langley caused.
> >
> > I know herndon PTSA has been working the school
> > board hard and won't be talking "no boundary
> > changes" tonight. THey are coming after us and
> > hard. South of the Tollway need to unite.
>
> Reston schools north of the toll road have the
> same issues as Herndon pta for Aldrin on crossing
> business Reston, toll road, metro construction.

Thanks, Taxpayer, for looking at this from our perspective. It's nice to have people posting who actually want to solve the problem intelligently.

foxmill/carson/oakton parent,

Yes, and despite my distaste for liberals overall, I do know quite a few of them. More than I'd like to, actually. While in college, I even became one. I'll never forget explaining to my parents why I thought surgeons and garbage collectors should receive the same salaries. Weren't they providing society with equally necessary services?

I can still hear my father joking with my mother, "How much is THIS school costing us?" And, the two of them laughing away.

RE: partying. I was planning on arriving early, to avoid the lines and all. Plus, I want to get a picture of Casual when she arrives. How bout a little tailgating? Hot cider (spiked up, a bit) Tell Padre to come over, too.

TO:

Submissive

What are you, a parrot?

Clarifier Wrote:
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>
> Floris is being considered for a split because the
> portion West of Centreville Road will be going to
> the new Coppermine, along with part of "West"
> McNair, so in the end, "East" Floris will be one
> school anyway.
>

In other words, FCPS is neatly doing their elementary school boundary study one year early without any option for community input and ignoring new construction in the Coppermine area.

Submissive


I bet you're the guy at the dinner party who can't stop talking and bores everyone to death. You don't often get invited back, do you?

Submissive wrote:

"I was merely pointing out that you chose to live and educate your children in a bubble, and I did not."
_____________________

No, you chose to educate your children in a rotten school. Good for you. Who cares.

And, if you don't like neen's bubble, then keep your filthy hands away from it.

Cause, despite what you're saying, you desperately want what's inside that bubble, you babbling hypocrite.

BirdLover Wrote:
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> Submissive wrote:
>
> "I was merely pointing out that you chose to live
> and educate your children in a bubble, and I did
> not."
> _____________________
>
> No, you chose to educate your children in a rotten
> school. Good for you. Who cares.
>
> And, if you don't like neen's bubble, then keep
> your filthy hands away from it.
>
> Cause, despite what you're saying, you desperately
> want what's inside that bubble, you babbling
> hypocrite.

I wouldn't have put it quite that way, but I have to agree. Bottom line is SL parents want our bubble-dwelling kids to attend their school. If not, why is any of this happening? Why would SL parents object to having all of McNair? What's that, it isn't fair? Bingo.

That's not really a fair characterization, and especially coming from you, a heretofore very reasonable parent. We don't think it would help our disadvantaged students, or those of McNair, to group them all in the two schools (SL and HHS) that already have the highest number of FRL students in this study. They are better served by staying at Westfield, where they won't be competing for services with so many other FRL students. They don't have a voice in this and are not as able as you to speak for themselves. I actually care about their education. Why is this so hard for you to understand? As I and countless others have told you before, and I know you listened, our middle class populations have been whittled away in past boundary changes which predated Stu and Janie, and benefited surrounding schools, like Herndon and Langley.

We are not all in this for self-interest, but also for the interest of all students. My children have graduated, were well-served by SL, and are enrolled in highly ranked colleges. I am not in this for them, but for the children of the western part of Fairfax County.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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We don't think it would help
> our disadvantaged students, or those of McNair, to
> group them all in the two schools (SL and HHS)
> that already have the highest number of FRL
> students in this study. They are better served by
> staying at Westfield, where they won't be
> competing for services with so many other FRL
> students.

Well, maybe, but it does seem sort of odd to say seemingly-contradictory things: our school is great, we love our FRL kids, we need more students, we prefer cherry-picked students. I think that whatever services kids need, and that goes for all kids, should be available at all schools, starting from early years. I've never been a fan of mixing kids just to mix them. If a school is all black, for example, why shouldn't it be as good as a school that is all white? I am no fan of "W" or NCLB, but I do agree that having lower expectations for kids just because they are disadvantaged can be a form of racism.

our middle class populations have been
> whittled away in past boundary changes which
> predated Stu and Janie, and benefited surrounding
> schools, like Herndon and Langley.

Well, I am genuinely sorry about that. I don't doubt for a second that SL has been screwed in that way.
>
> We are not all in this for self-interest, but also
> for the interest of all students.

That's nice, sincerely. But don't say that people who don't live in Reston live in a white middle class bubble. That kind of characterization gets our back up.

My children
> have graduated, were well-served by SL, and are
> enrolled in highly ranked colleges. I am not in
> this for them, but for the children of the western
> part of Fairfax County.

I hope that I can say the same a few years from now. Actually, my one silver lining is that it probably will be easier for my kids to get into good colleges from SL. However, I am still disappointed that my mathie son might not have the same opportunities to take the same courses at SL. Also, as I've said before, he just doesn't want to go there.

In summary, it seems like the SL folks don't get that O/W/C/H parents might have reasonable objections to being switched, not all of which can be boiled down to "we don't want our kids to go to school with poor/non-white kids." Heck,my parents still live in the Langley district and offered to let us have their house if we wanted our kids to go to Langley. I couldn't say no fast enough.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wiirwrong said:
> >
> > >>>FME parents have reason for concern. It's a
> > shame
> > > that you all will be the only ones who have
> to
> > go
> > > to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't
> help
> > > South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help
> your
> > > kids.
>
> Instead of being so negative, and actually
> cheering the Fox Mill parents to bail, which is in
> essence what you are doing, why not encourage them
> to align with us to improve the scenarios? You
> say I am the negative one, but just read your own
> posts. They are full of doom and gloom. I, on the
> other hand, am working to effect change and will
> continue to do so. I have more faith and optimism
> than you, and that my dear, is what defines my
> conservatism.
>
> Now, if you really care about the kids of Reston,
> we would welcome your assistance. You can join our
> efforts any time.


I have a question... what are YOU doing to improve South Lakes and the education of the FRL kids you claim to hold so near and dear to your heart? Are you volunteering and mentoring the Stonegate kids? Would you even get out of your car in that neighborhood and walk around by yourself? It seems to me that the only thing being done is trying to send OUR kids to SL with the hopes that they will bring the school's image and test scores up.

I grew up in Reston. I went to Terraset. I went to Langston Hughes. I went to South Lakes. Blow as much sunshine up everyone’s arse as you want; it is not a good environment, and I do not the children of my neighborhood to be subjected to it.

FME Mom Wrote:
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> SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Neen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wiirwrong said:
> > >
> > > >>>FME parents have reason for concern. It's
> a
> > > shame
> > > > that you all will be the only ones who have
> > to
> > > go
> > > > to South Lakes,other than McNair. It won't
> > help
> > > > South Lakes enough, and it sure won't help
> > your
> > > > kids.
> >
> > Instead of being so negative, and actually
> > cheering the Fox Mill parents to bail, which is
> in
> > essence what you are doing, why not encourage
> them
> > to align with us to improve the scenarios? You
> > say I am the negative one, but just read your
> own
> > posts. They are full of doom and gloom. I, on
> the
> > other hand, am working to effect change and
> will
> > continue to do so. I have more faith and
> optimism
> > than you, and that my dear, is what defines my
> > conservatism.
> >
> > Now, if you really care about the kids of
> Reston,
> > we would welcome your assistance. You can join
> our
> > efforts any time.
>
>
> I have a question... what are YOU doing to improve
> South Lakes and the education of the FRL kids you
> claim to hold so near and dear to your heart? Are
> you volunteering and mentoring the Stonegate kids?
> Would you even get out of your car in that
> neighborhood and walk around by yourself? It
> seems to me that the only thing being done is
> trying to send OUR kids to SL with the hopes that
> they will bring the school's image and test scores
> up.
>
> I grew up in Reston. I went to Terraset. I went
> to Langston Hughes. I went to South Lakes. Blow
> as much sunshine up everyone’s arse as you want;
> it is not a good environment, and I do not the
> children of my neighborhood to be subjected to it.


Stonegate isn't Reston; it's a small part of Reston. If I posted a $1.6M home on Spinnaker point -- 1 mile or so from SLHS -- and told everyone that is Reston....well that really would be stoking the chimney for the Arse intervention. Come on.

We're not trying to get the cavalry to ride to the rescue. We're trying to get some rationality to the school pyramid borders.

I do understand why people may be reluctant to attend SLHS, but I do oppose having someone who attended there....10 years ago at least???....paint the picture on what the school is today.

FME Mom Wrote:

FME mom, I have spent the last 14 years working with the kids of our pyramid. Incidentally, much of my work was not with my own children, but with those who had less advantages at home.

Submissive writes:

"We are not all in this for self-interest, but also for the interest of all students. My children have graduated, were well-served by SL, and are enrolled in highly ranked colleges. I am not in this for them, but for the children of the western part of Fairfax County."
__________________________________________

Golly wolly, a real live angel, right before our eyes.
You're only in this game, for all the children that aren't even yours? What a really, really good person you are, Submissive. To waste every second of every minute of every hour of every day, day after day, doing nothing but boring us all to death.... just to help my children.

But, since this doesn't really affect you, then, maybe, just maybe, it's really none of your business. So, why don't you take that big nose of yours and go volunteer at your neighborhood soup kitchen. I hear they could use some help there.

foxmill/carson/oakton parent,

I actually did not say that you chose to live in a bubble. I was speaking to Neen, who lives in Vienna, and has stated on this site that she chose Vienna because it has purposefully insulated itself from having affordable housing and the students that come with.

I have expressed empathy with your situation several times, and have merely tried to reassure you that your kids will be great at SL. I think you know by my posts and those of other SL parents that we are very involved parents who would never jeopardize/sacrifice our children for the cause of social justice.

I think you are too smart too align yourself with an agitator like Neen, or a pest like Birdlover. Ironically, I think you would probably find yourself more comfortable with parents like me, and come on, Padre, Old Timer, Casual, and I have demonstrated that we too are capable of witty repartee!!

FM/C/O Parent,

I forgot to add, just go back and look at Birdlover's posts to me this morning. Does she still seem like a barrel of fun? To me, she seems just plain mean and annoying. Her schtick is getting stale.

Some of that cute and funny Birdlover's gems today:


To Submissive: I bet you're the guy at the dinner party who can't stop talking and bores everyone to death. You don't often get invited back, do you?

To Submissive: No, you chose to educate your children in a rotten school. Good for you. Who cares.
And, if you don't like neen's bubble, then keep your filthy hands away from it.
Cause, despite what you're saying, you desperately want what's inside that bubble, you babbling hypocrite.


To Submissive:
Golly wolly, a real live angel, right before our eyes.
You're only in this game, for all the children that aren't even yours? What a really, really good person you are, Submissive. To waste every second of every minute of every hour of every day, day after day, doing nothing but boring us all to death.... just to help my children.

But, since this doesn't really affect you, then, maybe, just maybe, it's really none of your business. So, why don't you take that big nose of yours and go volunteer at your neighborhood soup kitchen. I hear they could use some help there.


Yep, she's a barrel of laughs.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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>
> I think you are too smart too align yourself with
> an agitator like Neen, or a pest like Birdlover.
> Ironically, I think you would probably find
> yourself more comfortable with parents like me,
> and come on, Padre, Old Timer, Casual, and I have
> demonstrated that we too are capable of witty
> repartee!!

I must say, the garbage collector/surgeon story was pretty funny. When my kids rebel, they will probably do so by becoming Tucker Carlson fans or something.

It's nice to be wanted. However, I'd still prefer Oakton.

FMO Parent, does your son have any bow ties?

Submissive,

Great that your kids are all in very prestigious universities. We've already been fed that line about a million times. South Lakes, the wonder school, where every kid gets into Harvard.

Make up a placard and stick it on your head tonight for the 3 people left who haven't heard.

And you'll be the one sucking on the lemon.

SubmissiveWiiRNot Wrote:
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> FME Mom Wrote:
>
> FME mom, I have spent the last 14 years working
> with the kids of our pyramid. Incidentally, much
> of my work was not with my own children, but with
> those who had less advantages at home.


Well, I applaud you and respect that you are walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

FME Mom Wrote:
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>
> Well, I applaud you and respect that you are
> walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

Thank you.

Submissive trying to charm 'foxmill/carson/oakton parent'.

"I think you are too smart too align yourself with an agitator like Neen, or a pest like Birdlover. Ironically, I think you would probably find yourself more comfortable with parents like me, and come on, Padre, Old Timer, Casual, and I have demonstrated that we too are capable of witty repartee!!"
_____________________________________________

Submissive ... If you really think FCOP would rather hang out with you and Casual, both bores, and a couple of old geezers, you must really go back and look over the posts.

Tonight, I'll be tailgating... serving cocktails and hot hors'dourves. I'll have music piped in playing stuff so cool, even the South Lakes kids will be heading my way. Do you really think FCOP would rather have warm milk and cookies on the hood of your old Pinto?

everyone don't forget to bring the 8 page letter from the Virginia Department of Education that is out about Stu Gibson and his disclosure of personal information about a student with learning challenges. We must present this to everyone tonight this is enough to get him OFF the School Board and this will allow for a moritorium on the RD issue.

Everyone remember these four options (FIVE NOW for those of you that have not heard) FCSB just changed the rules again there is another option on the table. No one is safe from this. Wear Black, unite againt the school board the only vote is for NO CHANGE. Do not go against your neighbor go agaist your school board. ALL FOR ONE!! See you tonight in the GYM not split up in the small room everyon go to the gym or the auditorium.

Actually, I drive a Yugo, and I'll be serving soy milkshakes, tempeh burgers, and vegan cookies. By the time you hit the meeting, if you even make it inside, you'll be slurring your words and stumbling, while we'll be sharp as tacks!

See you there. I have to go and work on my strategery for the meeting.

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What is option 5?

It's a good thing this isn't 1789 and that we're not in France, cause Stu's head would be on a stick.

As would yours : )

Was wandering back through various articles on this subject and found these 2 quotes from the Sept. 21 Observer.


Stuart Gibson, Hunter Mill district representative on the school board, said community members who attend these three meetings will "drive the solution."
"The process is driven by the input of the community members who attend the meetings," Gibson said. "One of the benefits of doing it this way is that everyone gets a say."


South Lakes PTSA vice president Maria Allen said redistricting would help bring more opportunities to students at South Lakes, as the school can currently only offer a limited number of electives and challenging courses....The South Lakes community would welcome any new students and their families, Allen said. "Where they come from, we don't mind," she said. "It's not our battle to fight."

I am recommending a truce by all at each of the schools in question. Our anger and frustration should be directed at the source (Jack Dale and the boobs on The SB). I propose we start a petition requesting Jack Dale's resignation. This boundary war is a mess as was SOCO's. It is because FCPS never hired competent people OUTSIDE OF FCPS to do the projections. Whether it was to save a few bucks (from a 2 billion dollar budget) or because they wanted to maintain control, it has now turned us against one another.

Cease and desist folks. I am serious. We will never have as many angry parents as we have now. FCPS needs leadership. We don't have it. We need to go into another direction and we can't with the people we have now.

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> everyone don't forget to bring the 8 page letter
> from the Virginia Department of Education that is
> out about Stu Gibson and his disclosure of
> personal information about a student with learning
> challenges. We must present this to everyone
> tonight this is enough to get him OFF the School
> Board and this will allow for a moritorium on the
> RD issue.
>
> Everyone remember these four options (FIVE NOW for
> those of you that have not heard) FCSB just
> changed the rules again there is another option on
> the table. No one is safe from this. Wear Black,
> unite againt the school board the only vote is for
> NO CHANGE. Do not go against your neighbor go
> agaist your school board. ALL FOR ONE!! See you
> tonight in the GYM not split up in the small room
> everyon go to the gym or the auditorium.


Where can we get info about the fifth option? I just looked at the FCPSs website and still saw four.

Crossfield to South Lakes / Madison Island to South Lakes / Navy to Oakton

Everyone should go check out the following website for the South Lakes PTSA -
(the school that says "Where they come from, we don't mind. It's not our battle to fight).

http://www.southlakesptsa.org/boundaries.htm


On this website is a pdf document just posted this weekend with their talking points for the four options and it is is one of these documents where they are proposing a fifth option:

To summarize this option - it is the Madison Island, East Floris and Fox Mill to South Lakes and Navy to Oakton.

They obviously aren't interested in McNair as someone stated a couple pages back, otherwise why would they come up with their own option. I wonder how much help they received in preparing this option?

There is also a talking points on how they plan to participate in the meeting tonight - just so everyone knows what they need to be prepared to handle tonight.

Lee parent,

We are and have been united, with the exception of South Lakes. If you attended the last meeting, the only parents supporting the school board were from South Lakes. The only parents supporting the school board on this site are from South Lakes.

They want this.