ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> > > mezzodave Wrote:
>
> > Either way, happy to hear that you're watching!
> > If you have any constructive > feedback, feel
> free
> > to email me at mezzodave@gmail.com. You may or
> may
> > not > have heard that we're looking for more
> > feedback, positive and negative, to >discuss on
> > RTH. Have a great day =)
>
>
> You have my suggestions. Use Oscar's huge
> forehead and Chad's giant gut to slap
> advertisements on. Will you discuss those ideas?
>
> Think of Oscar's giant forehead with a slick
> mangrates sticker and... well... does anyone
> else even advertise on the show? Maybe Amazon
> through the affiliate program?
>
> Slap some giant weight not crap on Chad's
> prodigious sack of fat gut.
>
> Also, no problem, I will watch again in a couple
> months perhaps and offer you more helpful
> feedback. Also, I wish you were Dave but we know
> you aren't (a gmail account, really?). It would
> be funny if he were in this thread though.


I bet you the straight guy named Adam that checked out my OKCupid? :P Would you like me to prove it by posting something from my twitter?

mezzodave Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > > mezzodave Wrote:
> >
> > > Either way, happy to hear that you're
> watching!
> > > If you have any constructive > feedback, feel
> > free
> > > to email me at mezzodave@gmail.com. You may
> or
> > may
> > > not > have heard that we're looking for more
> > > feedback, positive and negative, to >discuss
> on
> > > RTH. Have a great day =)
> >
> >
> > You have my suggestions. Use Oscar's huge
> > forehead and Chad's giant gut to slap
> > advertisements on. Will you discuss those
> ideas?
> >
> > Think of Oscar's giant forehead with a slick
> > mangrates sticker and... well... does anyone
> > else even advertise on the show? Maybe Amazon
> > through the affiliate program?
> >
> > Slap some giant weight not crap on Chad's
> > prodigious sack of fat gut.
> >
> > Also, no problem, I will watch again in a
> couple
> > months perhaps and offer you more helpful
> > feedback. Also, I wish you were Dave but we
> know
> > you aren't (a gmail account, really?). It
> would
> > be funny if he were in this thread though.
>
>
> I bet you the straight guy named Adam that checked
> out my OKCupid? :P Would you like me to prove it
> by posting something from my twitter?


I don't even know what you are talking about. Prove it by discussing my ideas on your show.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> mezzodave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ChadIsFat Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > > mezzodave Wrote:
> > >
> > > > Either way, happy to hear that you're
> > watching!
> > > > If you have any constructive > feedback,
> feel
> > > free
> > > > to email me at mezzodave@gmail.com. You may
> > or
> > > may
> > > > not > have heard that we're looking for
> more
> > > > feedback, positive and negative, to
> >discuss
> > on
> > > > RTH. Have a great day =)
> > >
> > >
> > > You have my suggestions. Use Oscar's huge
> > > forehead and Chad's giant gut to slap
> > > advertisements on. Will you discuss those
> > ideas?
> > >
> > > Think of Oscar's giant forehead with a slick
> > > mangrates sticker and... well... does
> anyone
> > > else even advertise on the show? Maybe
> Amazon
> > > through the affiliate program?
> > >
> > > Slap some giant weight not crap on Chad's
> > > prodigious sack of fat gut.
> > >
> > > Also, no problem, I will watch again in a
> > couple
> > > months perhaps and offer you more helpful
> > > feedback. Also, I wish you were Dave but we
> > know
> > > you aren't (a gmail account, really?). It
> > would
> > > be funny if he were in this thread though.
> >
> >
> > I bet you the straight guy named Adam that
> checked
> > out my OKCupid? :P Would you like me to prove
> it
> > by posting something from my twitter?
>
>
> I don't even know what you are talking about.
> Prove it by discussing my ideas on your show.

registered now :) I believe you were in ustream last night as well. Having been a troll myself in a former life I know that it would have been too hard for you to resist chiming in. If there is anything we can do to make your response a more positive one, let me know and I'll do my best to address it. I know its impossible to please everyone but if its just a specific topic you like to hear discussed or the re-addition of something you've enjoyed in the past, it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > mezzodave Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ChadIsFat Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > > > mezzodave Wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Either way, happy to hear that you're
> > > watching!
> > > > > If you have any constructive > feedback,
> > feel
> > > > free
> > > > > to email me at mezzodave@gmail.com. You
> may
> > > or
> > > > may
> > > > > not > have heard that we're looking for
> > more
> > > > > feedback, positive and negative, to
> > >discuss
> > > on
> > > > > RTH. Have a great day =)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You have my suggestions. Use Oscar's huge
> > > > forehead and Chad's giant gut to slap
> > > > advertisements on. Will you discuss those
> > > ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Think of Oscar's giant forehead with a
> slick
> > > > mangrates sticker and... well... does
> > anyone
> > > > else even advertise on the show? Maybe
> > Amazon
> > > > through the affiliate program?
> > > >
> > > > Slap some giant weight not crap on Chad's
> > > > prodigious sack of fat gut.
> > > >
> > > > Also, no problem, I will watch again in a
> > > couple
> > > > months perhaps and offer you more helpful
> > > > feedback. Also, I wish you were Dave but
> we
> > > know
> > > > you aren't (a gmail account, really?). It
> > > would
> > > > be funny if he were in this thread though.
> > >
> > >
> > > I bet you the straight guy named Adam that
> > checked
> > > out my OKCupid? :P Would you like me to prove
> > it
> > > by posting something from my twitter?
> >
> >
> > I don't even know what you are talking about.
> > Prove it by discussing my ideas on your show.
>
> registered now :) I believe you were in ustream
> last night as well. Having been a troll myself in
> a former life I know that it would have been too
> hard for you to resist chiming in. If there is
> anything we can do to make your response a more
> positive one, let me know and I'll do my best to
> address it. I know its impossible to please
> everyone but if its just a specific topic you like
> to hear discussed or the re-addition of something
> you've enjoyed in the past, it isn't out of the
> realm of possibility.


I was watching the ustream last night (I have flat out said I was so you certainly didn't need to be a great detective to figure that out) but I find it hard to beleive you would have guessed that because I never even registered to post a comment. I also don't think you know what a troll is.

I would like to hear you discuss my thoughts on advertising on the show. Then I would believe it is you.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2012 01:11PM by ChadIsFat.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> I was watching the ustream last night (I have flat
> out said I was so you certainly didn't need to be
> a great detective to figure that out) but I find
> it hard to beleive you would have guessed that
> because I never even registered to post a comment.
> I also don't think you know what a troll is.
>
> I would like to hear you discuss my thoughts on
> advertising on the show. Then I would believe it
> is you.

As I said, I can post from my twitter or even the RTH twitter. I'll be posting at about 1:30est from RTH linking to bigoanddukes.com.

I'm not going to bring up topics that serve no point other than to degrade the hosts. My job is to focus on discussing the content of the shows, not advertising or the physical attributes of Chad and Oscar.

johnsgay Wrote:
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> http://www.okcupid.com/profile/mezzodave?cf=profile_similar

That's funny as hell. Chad's got gay guys on his team now. @messodave putting your info on this site is generally a bad move. Make a throwaway email address in the future.


@johnsgay: I don't know who you are but excellent work!!!

mezzodave Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was watching the ustream last night (I have
> flat
> > out said I was so you certainly didn't need to
> be
> > a great detective to figure that out) but I
> find
> > it hard to beleive you would have guessed that
> > because I never even registered to post a
> comment.
> > I also don't think you know what a troll is.
> >
> > I would like to hear you discuss my thoughts on
> > advertising on the show. Then I would believe
> it
> > is you.
>
> As I said, I can post from my twitter or even the
> RTH twitter. I'll be posting at about 1:30est from
> RTH linking to bigoanddukes.com.
>
> I'm not going to bring up topics that serve no
> point other than to degrade the hosts. My job is
> to focus on discussing the content of the shows,
> not advertising or the physical attributes of Chad
> and Oscar.


I don't care about the RTH twitter account. I guess I just don't care in general if it is or isn't you.

If you want a new topic then I guess you should discuss why the original concept of RTH changed so much when it appeared as if Chad was having his feelings hurt.

Who is this guy? Another member of the Dukes Cult of Personality?

The email address is one made specifically for the show. The okcupid profile is public domain and is mine. Whats going to happen to me if people know who I am? I don't believe anyone on here means to harm anyone else.

But just a little background, I went through hell on Earth a few years ago. I'd rather not get too specific but suffice it to say it was the lowest point in my life. I used to listen to Don and Mike growing up and enjoyed them and upon coming back to the area after having to leave college, I stumbled upon Big O And Dukes. Within 10 minutes of listening, I was laughing hysterically and realized that it was the first time I had laughed in months. I followed them when I could until WJFK flipped.

The day the podcast hit was one of the coolest days I can remember. The show had changed a bit and, honestly, some of it not as good as it had used to be and not as good as it is today. I went to their first live show and had a great time. I got to meet the guys and tell them how much I enjoyed them. I also met Sven for the first time who I ended up dating shortly after. Once Sven and I broke up, I wanted to remain part of the show. Rally the horde was in need of an extra set of hands to run the board and take care of behind the scenes stuff so I offered to step in. I'm trying to turn the show into a middle man between BOAD listeners and the main show. As Drab said on there last week, it should be a place where the hosts and listeners can be honest and offer their opinions without fear or reprimand. The only catch (if you want to call it that) is that people need to be respectful and if opinions are offered they are aimed at making the show better and not simply with a malicious intent.

So, again, if you have any feedback, positive or negative, please let me know and I'll strive to get your opinions heard. You can post on here or email me at mezzodave@gmail.com or message me on twitter @mezzodave or @rallythehorde

Thanks :)

Who? Wrote:
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> Who is this guy? Another member of the Dukes Cult
> of Personality?

I meant who is the guy who found this dude's OK cupid account?

@Mezzodave: can moderators see IP addresses of people watching the ustream? I did a little research into it myself and I don't they can.

I tried to visit your show one night through a proxy(just to be safe) but the stream wouldn't take through the hosting network(of the proxy server) that's when I said fuck it!

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> If you want a new topic then I guess you should
> discuss why the original concept of RTH changed so
> much when it appeared as if Chad was having his
> feelings hurt.

Drab began discussing just that on the last show and I anticipate continuing the discussion on the next RTH. It wasn't Chad dictating the content, it was a decision that Dick and Dan made on their own. They are two of his closer friends and felt obligated to put a positive light on everything. Drab and I both want the show to be more honest.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> The email address is one made specifically for the
> show. The okcupid profile is public domain and is
> mine. Whats going to happen to me if people know
> who I am? I don't believe anyone on here means to
> harm anyone else.
>
> But just a little background, I went through hell
> on Earth a few years ago. I'd rather not get too
> specific but suffice it to say it was the lowest
> point in my life. I used to listen to Don and Mike
> growing up and enjoyed them and upon coming back
> to the area after having to leave college, I
> stumbled upon Big O And Dukes. Within 10 minutes
> of listening, I was laughing hysterically and
> realized that it was the first time I had laughed
> in months. I followed them when I could until WJFK
> flipped.
>
> The day the podcast hit was one of the coolest
> days I can remember. The show had changed a bit
> and, honestly, some of it not as good as it had
> used to be and not as good as it is today. I went
> to their first live show and had a great time. I
> got to meet the guys and tell them how much I
> enjoyed them. I also met Sven for the first time
> who I ended up dating shortly after. Once Sven and
> I broke up, I wanted to remain part of the show.
> Rally the horde was in need of an extra set of
> hands to run the board and take care of behind the
> scenes stuff so I offered to step in. I'm trying
> to turn the show into a middle man between BOAD
> listeners and the main show. As Drab said on there
> last week, it should be a place where the hosts
> and listeners can be honest and offer their
> opinions without fear or reprimand. The only catch
> (if you want to call it that) is that people need
> to be respectful and if opinions are offered they
> are aimed at making the show better and not simply
> with a malicious intent.
>
> So, again, if you have any feedback, positive or
> negative, please let me know and I'll strive to
> get your opinions heard. You can post on here or
> email me at mezzodave@gmail.com or message me on
> twitter @mezzodave or @rallythehorde
>
> Thanks :)


Why are you using a gmail account and not an @bigoanddukes.com account?

As I said, please discuss why RTH had its format changed when it appeared as if Chad had his feelings hurt that people were critiquing him.

Post something from your personal twitter account right now. Just post the date, to prove that it's you.



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TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Who? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who is this guy? Another member of the Dukes
> Cult
> > of Personality?
>
> I meant who is the guy who found this dude's OK
> cupid account?
>
> @Mezzodave: can moderators see IP addresses of
> people watching the ustream? I did a little
> research into it myself and I don't they can.
>
> I tried to visit your show one night through a
> proxy(just to be safe) but the stream wouldn't
> take through the hosting network(of the proxy
> server) that's when I said fuck it!

Moderators can not see the IP addresses of viewers.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> As I said, please discuss why RTH had its format
> changed when it appeared as if Chad had his
> feelings hurt that people were critiquing him.

Read the post above yours :) We'll continue to discuss that and how the show is going to become more honest to foster better conversation.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> Post something from your personal twitter account
> right now. Just post the date, to prove that it's
> you.

Check it now

@mezzodave: if you want ANYBODY to give 2 shits about Rally the Horde you have to convince people that Chad HAS NO SAY in what is being discussed.

Start by mentioning that you asked people on this thread for feedback(which Chad would balk at). If you mention this thread and the site its on by name on RTH I will definitely listen.

Hell I would probably even listen to the regular content(and maybe even reloaded again) because it would meajn Chad was no longer a complete sissy fag and could stand a little criticism.

Seriously, mention this thread by name, after all, you are coming here for suggestions, and my opinion of the whole brand will improve tremendously.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> @mezzodave: if you want ANYBODY to give 2 shits
> about Rally the Horde you have to convince people
> that Chad HAS NO SAY in what is being discussed.
>
>
> Start by mentioning that you asked people on this
> thread for feedback(which Chad would balk at). If
> you mention this thread and the site its on by
> name on RTH I will definitely listen.
>
> Hell I would probably even listen to the regular
> content(and maybe even reloaded again) because it
> would meajn Chad was no longer a complete sissy
> fag and could stand a little criticism.
>
> Seriously, mention this thread by name, after all,
> you are coming here for suggestions, and my
> opinion of the whole brand will improve
> tremendously.

I can assure you that we do not discuss with Chad the topics for RTH nor does he dictate anything about the show. I'm the one who records and edits the shows and he does not get to screen anything. He listens to it once it hits the site like everyone else.

That said, we're not going to use the show as a venue to slander him or for personal insults. I don't know if it would be a good idea to drive traffic to this thread as most of the past 38 pages are nothing but divulging personal information, personal attacks, and hatred.

I believe you guys to be some of the most vocal critics and your passion shows me that you honestly want the show to get better. That is the reason I've decided to post here to see what you miss and what the show has to do to improve.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Post something from your personal twitter
> account
> > right now. Just post the date, to prove that
> it's
> > you.
>
> Check it now


Alright, well that's a start. I certainly don't think you're lying at least.

>I can assure you that we do not discuss with Chad the topics for RTH nor does he >dictate anything about the show. I'm the one who records and edits the shows and >he does not get to screen anything. He listens to it once it hits the site like >everyone else.

While that may be true in the most literal sense, he has already shown he will tear apart the group composition if he feels someone hurt his feelings. He doesn't need to screen anything, people are too terrified now of crossing him.

That feeling alone makes people disinterested in RTH.

Your best bet is to make sure Drab sticks with it to give you protection from Chad and really, if the guys MAKE you talk about their show, riff off in other directions as much as possible. The problem is that Creasy is not very interesting and Dick Smokehand can not tell a story to save his life. Those are difficult hurdles to over come. That and the fact they are tied to Chad's hip and live and die by him being pleased with them.



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Have Creasy and Dick do the show is horrible. These are two of Chad's biggest yesmen and neither can talk, let alone use a microphone.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> While that may be true in the most literal sense,
> he has already shown he will tear apart the group
> composition if he feels someone hurt his feelings.
> He doesn't need to screen anything, people are
> too terrified now of crossing him.
>
> That feeling alone makes people disinterested in
> RTH.


I get that some people may have that perception. It's not entirely accurate. Things have been said in the past on RTH that weren't completely positive about Oscar and Chad and they have rebutted on the main show. But never to my knowledge has a criticism been met with hostility from them nor has anyone been censored or relieved of hosting duties because of the critiques. Dick and Dan's propensity to put everything in a positive light is mostly out of respect and admiration for the guys and not out of fear. I agree that it's not really entertaining to hear two guys talk about how great something is. The addition of myself, drab, and a, perhaps, more critical listener will help balance this out. The goal remains to receive and provide feedback in a manner that can help the show improve. Oscar and Chad may "lay into us" on something we've said but that is mostly because it has become a hot topic and not because someones feelings got hurt. If something malicious is said, it is handled in private.

I agree with ChadIsFat. He might not literally screen RTH but people still are afraid to criticize him..

A couple ideas:

1) Mention this thread. You can mention this site without slandering him, IMO. It will give RTH some Cred.

2). Have Brian Crane as one of the guest speakers.

3) Talk about Chad's FB and Twitter interaction's with fans.

Know your places!!!!!

mezzodave Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > While that may be true in the most literal
> sense,
> > he has already shown he will tear apart the
> group
> > composition if he feels someone hurt his
> feelings.
> > He doesn't need to screen anything, people are
> > too terrified now of crossing him.
> >
> > That feeling alone makes people disinterested
> in
> > RTH.
>
>
> I get that some people may have that perception.
> It's not entirely accurate. Things have been said
> in the past on RTH that weren't completely
> positive about Oscar and Chad and they have
> rebutted on the main show. But never to my
> knowledge has a criticism been met with hostility
> from them nor has anyone been censored or relieved
> of hosting duties because of the critiques.

Chad had the original show torn apart several times until he could slot all of his friends on it.

> Dick and Dan's propensity to put everything in a
> positive light is mostly out of respect and
> admiration for the guys and not out of fear. I
> agree that it's not really entertaining to hear
> two guys talk about how great something is.

It is not so much 2 people talking about how great something is. It's that they fawn over Chad in particular and never ever seem to bring up any of the really shit things he does or, to be honest, even question him. They are both very worried about how they appear to Chad.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> I agree with ChadIsFat. He might not literally
> screen RTH but people still are afraid to
> criticize him..
>
> A couple ideas:
>
> 1) Mention this thread. You can mention this site
> without slandering him, IMO. It will give RTH
> some Cred.
>
> 2). Have Brian Crane as one of the guest
> speakers.
>
> 3) Talk about Chad's FB and Twitter interaction's
> with fans.

1) If I mention this thread directly and listeners come here, they'll read some of the past comments and may not behave very well. I'm not ruling it out completely but for now things are delicate while we transition into a more open format. I don't mind that there has been criticism, it's just the personal insults on here that really keep this thread from being credible to your average listener.

2) He's currently away to my knowledge. But I'll add his name to the list of potential guests for the future. I'd like to get away from just inviting people who play ultimate and expand into a variety of listeners. This past week having a blast from the past in Roger Podcater was a start.

3) We discussed the whole "this is how we do it"/"have a nice life" facebook stuff already on a RTH a few weeks ago. From your previous posts, I assume you're referring on how he isn't always cordial in his responses. I think that's fair and worthy of discussion. I will add it to the sheet of topics I use for the show and bring it up as soon as an opportunity arises.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> Chad had the original show torn apart several
> times until he could slot all of his friends on
> it.

Scheduling conflicts prevented people from making it to every show. It wasn't chad's doing. There was an isolated incident with a guest on the show but that was all resolved behind the scenes and wasn't solely Chad dictating things. Zohan and Sven were given an opportunity to create their own show so RTH had to get two new hosts. It wasn't that Chad picked Dick and Dan because they were his friends, its because they are his friends that they offered to do the show.


> It is not so much 2 people talking about how great
> something is. It's that they fawn over Chad in
> particular and never ever seem to bring up any of
> the really shit things he does or, to be honest,
> even question him. They are both very worried
> about how they appear to Chad.

I agree. Keep in mind that they are his friends and while the perception to you may be that they do things out of fear, they are his friend by choice. Friends say nice things about their friends and overlook the negative things. They worry about how they appear to Chad just as much as you might worry about how the things you say to a group of people affect your closest friend.

If Chad were to come out of the closet during a podcast and then change the dynamic of the podcast to how he is adjusting to life as an openly gay sports radio personality, I would find this refreshing and honest and would listen.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> I agree. Keep in mind that they are his friends
> and while the perception to you may be that they
> do things out of fear, they are his friend by
> choice. Friends say nice things about their
> friends and overlook the negative things. They
> worry about how they appear to Chad just as much
> as you might worry about how the things you say to
> a group of people affect your closest friend.

Personally I call my friends out when they act like idiots, and they would do the same. It is called looking out for each other. We are close enough to not get all cranky if someone tells you to stop acting like an asshole, or that you are being a bitch about something.

My friends also wouldn't sulk for almost 3 weeks about me and some other friends playing a sport they don't even like and not inviting them. I mean, that is what really did BOAD in for me. Or the comment he made about being upset that people continued to play rugby after he quit. He quit!! Why does everyone else need to quit too?

I could deal with the degradation of the show from being basically the only thing I would turn terrestrial radio on for (besides traffic on the 8s) back when they were on evenings and mid-days. Heck, I even bought a radio to use in the office when streaming was shut down by IT. It wasn't cheap either to get reception in an office. I called in once. I've never called into a radio show before that, and never have since.

As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the show has become the "Chad Dukes and Friends Show with Oscar Santana and Drab". There are episodes where you barely hear Drab or Oscar, but got to hear plenty of Dick Smokehand and whomever else Dukes fills the room with. I like Drab and Oscar. I listened to the show for the 3 main guys, not the interns (although the Landfills were fun) or WJFK cast of characters like Batt or BDK (who often got me to turn the radio off). It is the same here. Sven is good for one mildly amusing story every six months. Zohan is rarely worth turning a mic on for. Creasy is a square and has been good for a laugh or two, but should stay off mic too. Smokehand's stories have been painful to listen to due to the way he tells them, no more of that. I haven't really been listening, so I don't even know who his latest bunch of followers are like "Big Rig Craig".

I don't have an unlimited amount of time to listen to radio/podcasts. Unfortunately the show I used to make time to listen to has become a show I stopped subscribing to. I couldn't justify wasting an hour when I could listen to Opie and Anthony, Aww Yeah Dude, or Sklarbro Country and get something good every time. Never mind subscribing to BOAD. For the price of one month of Reloaded, I get Opie and Anthony and Howard Stern.

Looking for suggestions to improve the show? Lose all the losers who are sitting in the room with Drab, Oscar and Chad. The show is best with the three of them, not as it has been said, a a group of Chad's "friends".

David George Wrote:
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> If Chad were to come out of the closet during a
> podcast and then change the dynamic of the podcast
> to how he is adjusting to life as an openly gay
> sports radio personality, I would find this
> refreshing and honest and would listen.

It would make for an interesting series of podcasts, that is for sure. Besides, Chad would just feel better coming out.

Dukeman. Wrote:
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> Looking for suggestions to improve the show? Lose
> all the losers who are sitting in the room with
> Drab, Oscar and Chad. The show is best with the
> three of them, not as it has been said, a a group
> of Chad's "friends".

Just to clarify, are you not a fan of it being recorded in front of a live audience or are you just not a fan of having various people on the mic? I know they are trying to push the "peanut gallery" idea by building bleachers for the studio and have random listeners sit in on the recordings.

BTW, TheNorthman, the reproachable and nonconstructive comments made by several people in this thread even since I've reached out for feedback is exactly the reason why I would rather not broadcast its existence on the show in the near future. Most people don't want to read a bunch of nasty personal attacks on another person.

Lost listener Wrote:
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> mezzodave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----->
> > I agree. Keep in mind that they are his friends
> > and while the perception to you may be that
> they
> > do things out of fear, they are his friend by
> > choice. Friends say nice things about their
> > friends and overlook the negative things. They
> > worry about how they appear to Chad just as
> much
> > as you might worry about how the things you say
> to
> > a group of people affect your closest friend.
>
> Personally I call my friends out when they act
> like idiots, and they would do the same. It is
> called looking out for each other. We are close
> enough to not get all cranky if someone tells you
> to stop acting like an asshole, or that you are
> being a bitch about something.
>
> My friends also wouldn't sulk for almost 3 weeks
> about me and some other friends playing a sport
> they don't even like and not inviting them. I
> mean, that is what really did BOAD in for me. Or
> the comment he made about being upset that people
> continued to play rugby after he quit. He quit!!
> Why does everyone else need to quit too?
>
> I could deal with the degradation of the show from
> being basically the only thing I would turn
> terrestrial radio on for (besides traffic on the
> 8s) back when they were on evenings and mid-days.
> Heck, I even bought a radio to use in the office
> when streaming was shut down by IT. It wasn't
> cheap either to get reception in an office. I
> called in once. I've never called into a radio
> show before that, and never have since.
>
> As I've said elsewhere in this thread, the show
> has become the "Chad Dukes and Friends Show with
> Oscar Santana and Drab". There are episodes where
> you barely hear Drab or Oscar, but got to hear
> plenty of Dick Smokehand and whomever else Dukes
> fills the room with. I like Drab and Oscar. I
> listened to the show for the 3 main guys, not the
> interns (although the Landfills were fun) or WJFK
> cast of characters like Batt or BDK (who often got
> me to turn the radio off). It is the same here.
> Sven is good for one mildly amusing story every
> six months. Zohan is rarely worth turning a mic
> on for. Creasy is a square and has been good for
> a laugh or two, but should stay off mic too.
> Smokehand's stories have been painful to listen to
> due to the way he tells them, no more of that. I
> haven't really been listening, so I don't even
> know who his latest bunch of followers are like
> "Big Rig Craig".
>
> I don't have an unlimited amount of time to listen
> to radio/podcasts. Unfortunately the show I used
> to make time to listen to has become a show I
> stopped subscribing to. I couldn't justify
> wasting an hour when I could listen to Opie and
> Anthony, Aww Yeah Dude, or Sklarbro Country and
> get something good every time. Never mind
> subscribing to BOAD. For the price of one month
> of Reloaded, I get Opie and Anthony and Howard
> Stern.

You bring up some very good points and I'll get them addressed on a future RTH when time allows. Thanks for your feedback =)

mezzodave Wrote:
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> Dukeman. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looking for suggestions to improve the show?
> Lose
> > all the losers who are sitting in the room with
> > Drab, Oscar and Chad. The show is best with the
> > three of them, not as it has been said, a a
> group
> > of Chad's "friends".
>
> Just to clarify, are you not a fan of it being
> recorded in front of a live audience or are you
> just not a fan of having various people on the
> mic? I know they are trying to push the "peanut
> gallery" idea by building bleachers for the studio
> and have random listeners sit in on the
> recordings.

The crew of "characters" is ever expanding. I don't care who is sitting in on the recording, but there's no room for an army of Wobbly Big Dick Smoke Rig Hands. It's hit or miss. Creasy is fine in doses on the show, Zohan tends to suck on the "big" show, but is decent on The Memphis Report. Sven has good contributions, except when he is being disgusting (his family, not his sexual orientation). I don't think I have ever been entertained in the least by Black Out Bruce. Big Rig belongs on Beer and Pig. And maybe that's the deal, Chad collects followers like a chick walking out of the shitter with toilet paper trailing from her shoe. That doesn't mean every homeless vagabond Dukes runs across needs to be part of the real show.

It's also burn out with Chad's never ending stream of interests. Harp and Eagle Dukes, Rugby Dukes, Sons of Anarchy Dukes, Main Street Mafia Dukes, Fukerton Dukes, RROD Dukes, Cowboy Dukes, Nerd's Watch Dukes, Beer and Pig Dukes. That's a subset. He bursts into a room with both guns blazing, then turns around and walks out, declaring that room sucked in the first place. And no one seems to call him on it. I love that Oscar would name a cat Lannister. If Oscar and Drab gave Chad more shit it'd be great. But they tune him out, and anyone who happens to miss the abrupt course change and tweet or facebook something at Dukes after that phase is over gets blocked.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> BTW, TheNorthman, the reproachable and
> nonconstructive comments made by several people in
> this thread even since I've reached out for
> feedback is exactly the reason why I would rather
> not broadcast its existence on the show in the
> near future. Most people don't want to read a
> bunch of nasty personal attacks on another person.


Obviously you can't, and shouldn't, make a segment about anything personally insulting and unorofessional. That being said, I honestly think a segment or two about why Chad is so controlling would be radio gold. This wouldn't happen because Dick and Dan would be terrified of saying anything against him but it would still be great. Why does Chad treat his friends like shit and why is it that every time he does something decent for someone,he holds it over their head forever.

Also, Dick and Dan, as I have said before, are two of the worst hosts ever. I imagine they try very hard but Dan mumbles and has cotton balls in his mouth and it is painful to try and listen to Dick take a 30 second story and drag it out to 10 minutes.

And no, the peanut gallery doesn't draw anyone in at all.

ChadIsFat Wrote:

> And no, the peanut gallery doesn't draw anyone in
> at all.


+Infinity and another 6 or seven. You guys want new listeners or not? Hell do you wanna keep the ones you have?

mezzodave Wrote:
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> Dukeman. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looking for suggestions to improve the show?
> Lose
> > all the losers who are sitting in the room with
> > Drab, Oscar and Chad. The show is best with the
> > three of them, not as it has been said, a a
> group
> > of Chad's "friends".
>
> Just to clarify, are you not a fan of it being
> recorded in front of a live audience or are you
> just not a fan of having various people on the
> mic? I know they are trying to push the "peanut
> gallery" idea by building bleachers for the studio
> and have random listeners sit in on the
> recordings.


I can do without a peanut gallery and I can do without people who cannot talk on a microphone.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> mezzodave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BTW, TheNorthman, the reproachable and
> > nonconstructive comments made by several people
> in
> > this thread even since I've reached out for
> > feedback is exactly the reason why I would
> rather
> > not broadcast its existence on the show in the
> > near future. Most people don't want to read a
> > bunch of nasty personal attacks on another
> person.
>
>
> Obviously you can't, and shouldn't, make a segment
> about anything personally insulting and
> unorofessional. That being said, I honestly think
> a segment or two about why Chad is so controlling
> would be radio gold. This wouldn't happen because
> Dick and Dan would be terrified of saying anything
> against him but it would still be great. Why does
> Chad treat his friends like shit and why is it
> that every time he does something decent for
> someone,he holds it over their head forever.
>
> Also, Dick and Dan, as I have said before, are two
> of the worst hosts ever. I imagine they try very
> hard but Dan mumbles and has cotton balls in his
> mouth and it is painful to try and listen to Dick
> take a 30 second story and drag it out to 10
> minutes.
>
> And no, the peanut gallery doesn't draw anyone in
> at all.


Segments where these "insiders" can speak freely, not attack or defame, would be worth listening to. What really happened on that beach trip, what was it like to listen to the unending soccer story, why does Dukes constantly flip on everything he says he likes, when will be come out of the closet. All of those are better than anything they have talked about so far on RTH.

Can someone explain to me what exactly is so "crazy" about meeting a dude, finding him attractive and giving him your number? Isn't that kind of how it WORKS?

mezzodave Wrote:
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> BTW, TheNorthman, the reproachable and
> nonconstructive comments made by several people in
> this thread even since I've reached out for
> feedback is exactly the reason why I would rather
> not broadcast its existence on the show in the
> near future. Most people don't want to read a
> bunch of nasty personal attacks on another person.

True, nobody wants to read a bunch of nasty personal attacks, but this is an unmoderated forum. I personally don't agree or like the "Chad is gay" type of comments, but that is why this is a better message board than the "No Schtick Zone" was: because it is an OPEN forum with no posts being deleted or people being blocked by power-crazy moderators affilated with the show.

Chad Dukes Wrote:
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> Can someone explain to me what exactly is so
> "crazy" about meeting a dude, finding him
> attractive and giving him your number? Isn't that
> kind of how it WORKS?


So, you finally found a guy you want to go out with?

The show is currently unlisenable. I think they started it to "keep their names in radio" and then they probably shopped it around, which is why curses were edited out. My guess, it was rejection after rejection and now Drab & O don't really care.

So, it became a ego boost for Chad. His barnacles simply want to be around somebody famous and be "on the radio" and hence verbally blow Chad.

I'd be amazed if O or Drab think the podcast is any good.

As long as Chad is driving, it'll stay this way and totally suck.

How many No Shtick Zone veterans do we have here?

And BOAD Underground alums?

MezzoDave , when is the next RTH? Let me know and let me know what topics will be discussed and I will download it that night. I don't know how long you have been following this thread but you can go back to the earlier pages when RTH first came out and read "the thread's" reaction. It was a huge hit.

In the in the interrest of full disclosure I have not listened to RTH since episode 3 or 4.

It was popular because it was fans of the show giving their honest opinions about BOAD. Of course the same thing that made it popular to us made it intolerable to Dukes. By episode 3 it was a 1 hour Chad Dukes infomercial disguised as an objective discussion and an object of ridicule here.

I have 2 suggestion for RTH and a question:

1)How about at least mentioning that you sought feedback on a "message board" without being specific just to throw us all a bone!!!?

2) Discuss how Chad's philosophy of growing the brand "one fan at a time" fits in with his FB behavior, which has been well documented here.
As a personal aside, there was one instance where somebody posted on Chad's wall how much he loved and missed BOAD and wished he could still listen to it(clearly beiing unaware of the podcast). you woud think Chad woud take the chance to link the show to him, right? It was "kill me now" followed by "have a nice life" followed by a screen shot, followed by a deletion followed by the jpeg of that screen shot/deletion posted, like a trophy on his FB wall.

Surely you see the hypocrisy here right?



3) Settle this once and for all if you please; how many people on the "inside" view this thread and how often? Zohan and Sven have mentioned it before(although not by name)

Bottom line is that I would like to hear your thought on how Chad's interaction with fans online is affecting the brand and what the hell he could be thinking by acting that way if he wants to get the show back on air. That's all.

Try addressing Chad's character of Chad Dukes. What direction does he see this character heading? What are his motivations? We know he is playing a character on the radio, he has said that, so, what can we expect from this character over the Summer?

Personally I don't think you need to mention this site at all.

However, I really think a deep look at how terrible Chad treats his friends and why people thinks he acts that way. Also, how in the world does he think he is growing the brand of BOaD by being insufferable and childish online? It doesn't help at all and is incredibly obnoxious and rarely funny ever.

I am available to do RTH. I live for this!

Andrew Ryan Wrote:
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> How many No Shtick Zone veterans do we have here?
>
>
> And BOAD Underground alums?


Both

Andrew Ryan Wrote:
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> How many No Shtick Zone veterans do we have here?

I read it sometimes but didn't post because of the moderation.

>
> And BOAD Underground alums?


Unless the Underground you're referring to is Fairfax"Underground" I have idea what you're talking about there.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> MezzoDave , when is the next RTH? Let me know
> and let me know what topics will be discussed and
> I will download it that night. I don't know how
> long you have been following this thread but you
> can go back to the earlier pages when RTH first
> came out and read "the thread's" reaction. It was
> a huge hit.
>
> In the in the interrest of full disclosure I have
> not listened to RTH since episode 3 or 4.
>
> It was popular because it was fans of the show
> giving their honest opinions about BOAD. Of
> course the same thing that made it popular to us
> made it intolerable to Dukes. By episode 3 it was
> a 1 hour Chad Dukes infomercial disguised as an
> objective discussion and an object of ridicule
> here.
>
> I have 2 suggestion for RTH and a question:
>
> 1)How about at least mentioning that you sought
> feedback on a "message board" without being
> specific just to throw us all a bone!!!?

I can do that. If i decide to introduce the segment as Question from the Horde, I'll even give you credit for asking. Something like "Northman wants to know..." etc.

> 2) Discuss how Chad's philosophy of growing the
> brand "one fan at a time" fits in with his FB
> behavior, which has been well documented here.
> As a personal aside, there was one instance where
> somebody posted on Chad's wall how much he loved
> and missed BOAD and wished he could still listen
> to it(clearly beiing unaware of the podcast). you
> woud think Chad woud take the chance to link the
> show to him, right? It was "kill me now" followed
> by "have a nice life" followed by a screen shot,
> followed by a deletion followed by the jpeg of
> that screen shot/deletion posted, like a trophy on
> his FB wall.
>
> Surely you see the hypocrisy here right?

The problem with bringing this up is two-fold. First, you speak of the whole "have a nice life" posts he does which, to be honest, I thoroughly enjoy most of the time. I nearly started a blog that compiled all of these posts just for fun. There are the occasional posts like the one you mentioned (i didn't see it for myself though) that may be a little more questionable and would raise some eyebrows. Regardless, this could certainly be up for discussion but I think there are larger topics in the immediacy.

Secondly, not all of Chad's facebook friends are BOAD fans. I don't know what proportion of his friends are simply there from L&D. I don't want the discussion to erode into how he treated fans of another show. To me, that takes the topic away from BOAD and into Chad's personal life. There is a fine line here and it can be walked but I think its towards the end of my list of topics right now.

> 3) Settle this once and for all if you please; how
> many people on the "inside" view this thread and
> how often? Zohan and Sven have mentioned it
> before(although not by name)

I'm not at liberty to say who, but, yes, other "insiders" read these posts. However, I'm the only one who has posted. Also I can tell you that none of the big 3 come here. That's the most I feel comfortable with saying.

> Bottom line is that I would like to hear your
> thought on how Chad's interaction with fans online
> is affecting the brand and what the hell he could
> be thinking by acting that way if he wants to get
> the show back on air. That's all.

The topic of how he interacts with fans is certainly broad enough to discuss. Again, I want to approach these topics in a way that is clear that there isn't an angle so I may word it differently.

Thanks for your input and feel free to add more.

Thank YOU Mezodave!! And please let me know when RTH will be up:)

jhopkins Wrote:
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> The show is currently unlisenable. I think they
> started it to "keep their names in radio" and then
> they probably shopped it around, which is why
> curses were edited out. My guess, it was
> rejection after rejection and now Drab & O don't
> really care.

I can assure you that both Drab & O care very much about the show and put as much time and effort into it as Chad does. Drab is on record stating that he hopes to be doing the podcast in the next 5 years. That isn't because he doesn't want the show to go "further," its because the podcast format is the future. It allows for more freedom for both the "broadcaster" and the listener.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Thank YOU Mezodave!! And please let me know when
> RTH will be up:)

RTH will be up midday Sunday.

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Andrew Ryan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How many No Shtick Zone veterans do we have
> here?
>
> I read it sometimes but didn't post because of the
> moderation.
>
> >
> > And BOAD Underground alums?
>
>
> Unless the Underground you're referring to is
> Fairfax"Underground" I have idea what you're
> talking about there.

It was this,

http://web.archive.org/web/20090629003609/http://www.oanddworld.com/forum/

started by Monkey, in defense of NicoleNadia, when Chad and Othello registered numerous accounts to trash her because she dared criticize Chad about something.

And as more and more people were banned from NSZ, it was a refuge to freely talk about the show, without fear of Chad, or Rob from Seasons, or any of the hangers on with access to the banhammer.

I thought Bussells aka BussTees made the OandDworld site? Either way, the essence of the page was captured above.

The reason the podcast isn't nearly as good as the old show is simple, the 3 main people involved spend most of their days working on other shows THEY CANT TALK ABOUT,,,

That leaves a huge vacuum when they have a show that's basically about their lives,,,

That's led to Dukes creating special interest versions of "Dukes",,,
As we have all heard, these characters burn out quick,,,but I do give Chad some credit for trying to create personas outside of realDukes to generate something interesting to talk about,,,even though it hasn't really worked,,

The best podcast was the one with their old producer bashing Rob(b),

I would suggest trying to have more interview segments with people who are not sponsors,,,REAL guests,,

I think a great interview would be with Carmichael Dave,,,see if he wants to vent about being kicked off Don's show and what he thinks of the turd sitting in his seat,,,

After all, most people who know the old show found it listening to Don and Mike,,

I may be totally alone on this but I really dislike guests. Unless it is someone on their to specifically discuss behind the scenes things (like Jormand), they are normally boring as hell. Even with Jormand, it only works like once every 6 months or so.

I'd REALLY like to avoid talking about Don or Mike because they both run just god awful crap morning zoo shows still. If someone wants to discuss how terrible the two of them are, that's fine I guess, but I don't want to listen to someone just recite a sanitized version of what it was generally like to work at a station.

I agree, guests are terrible. Along those lines, I'm really hoping they don't start taking calls. An hour show is not long enough to need the mindless filler. The C-List people in the studio are bad enough, no reason to add more mouthbreathers to the mix.


ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> I may be totally alone on this but I really
> dislike guests. Unless it is someone on their to
> specifically discuss behind the scenes things
> (like Jormand), they are normally boring as hell.
> Even with Jormand, it only works like once every 6
> months or so.
>
> I'd REALLY like to avoid talking about Don or Mike
> because they both run just god awful crap morning
> zoo shows still. If someone wants to discuss how
> terrible the two of them are, that's fine I guess,
> but I don't want to listen to someone just recite
> a sanitized version of what it was generally like
> to work at a station.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> The reason the podcast isn't nearly as good as the
> old show is simple, the 3 main people involved
> spend most of their days working on other shows
> THEY CANT TALK ABOUT,,,
>
> That leaves a huge vacuum when they have a show
> that's basically about their lives,,,
>
> That's led to Dukes creating special interest
> versions of "Dukes",,,
> As we have all heard, these characters burn out
> quick,,,but I do give Chad some credit for trying
> to create personas outside of realDukes to
> generate something interesting to talk
> about,,,even though it hasn't really worked,,
>
> The best podcast was the one with their old
> producer bashing Rob(b),
>
> I would suggest trying to have more interview
> segments with people who are not sponsors,,,REAL
> guests,,
>
> I think a great interview would be with Carmichael
> Dave,,,see if he wants to vent about being kicked
> off Don's show and what he thinks of the turd
> sitting in his seat,,,
>
> After all, most people who know the old show found
> it listening to Don and Mike,,


Right. There is nothing to talk about left to just the three of them in a room. Not even a solid hour. Take away the radio "lifestyle" and they have nothing. No appearances to go over. No management to complain about. No radio wars to get into. No stream of guests working the CBS radio circuit pushing a new movie.

Drab can't use the Junkies as fodder, and he has always been hesitant to discuss his personal life.

Oscar works a 9-5 and fits in an hour in Manassas pretending to find Rob Spewak funny. He has talked about his job before, but as anyone else who works a "real" job knows, there usually isn't much to talk about. He certainly can't bash anyone that he may find annoying.

I'm sure Chad would love to talk about his day job and just go on for a week about how much he hates working with Lavar and doing sports talk, but he can't, and that is understandable. Outside of that, all we get is the latest Dukes fascination. Be it a TV show, video game, movie, gadget (he hated Apple and blu-rays at one point), music, or personal endeavor like his band or Main St. Mafia.

They've tried to create content by bringing in Chad's crew of "friends", but those guys are just too boring. They need to bring topics to discuss like every other radio show in the world, and like what they used to do. O&A were hilarious going over the Jerry Sandusky transcripts. You don't need anything for that except talented guys behind the mic to take advantage of what opportunities for laughs present themselves.

Even if they simply had an agenda and three of four news items they wanted to discuss (I know, this was tried and failed), it would be better than prodding Dick Dickface, or whomever is in the room to amble up to a mic and start mumbling on about some story of theirs.

I agree with a lot of the above points. People like to hear the "inside scoop". Maybe you could talk about how Drab to the Junkies affects BOAD as a whole. All 3 of them work separately now.

A segment on Chad's weight would be great too. His "weight" segments are without a doubt my favorite. In fact, Chad's self degrading humor is when he's at(or near) his best, IMO.

How about what happened and why he was such a baby with Danny R?

While I can appreciate Dave's desire to turn RTH in something worth downloading, I doubt Chad would let any of these topics get recorded and then posted to the website. Even legit ones like wondering why Danny is "out" these days, and why the soccer game bothered Dukes so much. That is how it turned into the ball washing fest in the first place.

Realist Wrote:
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> While I can appreciate Dave's desire to turn RTH
> in something worth downloading, I doubt Chad would
> let any of these topics get recorded and then
> posted to the website. Even legit ones like
> wondering why Danny is "out" these days, and why
> the soccer game bothered Dukes so much. That is
> how it turned into the ball washing fest in the
> first place.


I'll listen tomorrow evening for sure. We shall see if RTH is another Chad DUkes infomercial or the hosts actually say anything worth listening to. Sunday will be the first time I've downloaded anything from BOAD in months.

Props to Dave for getting the question(s) out there, but I think this episode just reinforced the accepted truth; they're not going to go against Chad, even if he's in the wrong. The last 5-10 minutes of the show was Drab and Dan Creasy defending Chad's behavior on social media. Also, having that ass-kissing session take place virtually insures there will be no questions critical of Dukes next time, since there will be the fear of being seen as piling on.

If you want to try another target, just to see if the show is capable of being objective and providing constructive criticism instead of just defending the crew, you could see if they'll be critical of Oscar's (and Dukes)'s ridiculous "pimp hand" stance on "wearing the pants" in a relationship and how healthy it is.

Four Hour Club Wrote:
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> Props to Dave for getting the question(s) out
> there, but I think this episode just reinforced
> the accepted truth; they're not going to go
> against Chad, even if he's in the wrong. The last
> 5-10 minutes of the show was Drab and Dan Creasy
> defending Chad's behavior on social media. Also,
> having that ass-kissing session take place
> virtually insures there will be no questions
> critical of Dukes next time, since there will be
> the fear of being seen as piling on.
>
> If you want to try another target, just to see if
> the show is capable of being objective and
> providing constructive criticism instead of just
> defending the crew, you could see if they'll be
> critical of Oscar's (and Dukes)'s ridiculous "pimp
> hand" stance on "wearing the pants" in a
> relationship and how healthy it is.

I might listen just to hear how they try and defend his "this is how we do it" nonsense. Other than the fact that he is a 13 year old boy trapped in an oversized 32 year old's body. In reality that explains nearly everything he does. He likes wrestling, "internet terrorism", and keeps changing his persona every few months. I'm sure redneck Dukes will give way to Euro Dukes or something by the end of the summer. Just like a confused 13 year old.

Heck, I remember harassing people in the old AOL chat rooms or on AIM. Of course now that I am nearing 30, I don't do that anymore.

Four Hour Club Wrote:
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> Props to Dave for getting the question(s) out
> there, but I think this episode just reinforced
> the accepted truth; they're not going to go
> against Chad, even if he's in the wrong. The last
> 5-10 minutes of the show was Drab and Dan Creasy
> defending Chad's behavior on social media. Also,
> having that ass-kissing session take place
> virtually insures there will be no questions
> critical of Dukes next time, since there will be
> the fear of being seen as piling on.
>
> If you want to try another target, just to see if
> the show is capable of being objective and
> providing constructive criticism instead of just
> defending the crew, you could see if they'll be
> critical of Oscar's (and Dukes)'s ridiculous "pimp
> hand" stance on "wearing the pants" in a
> relationship and how healthy it is.


I will listen to this one because Dave's been a pretty decent guy and really made an honest attempt to reach out ot h fan base. However, I could tell that it would probably turn out this way. Dick and Dan have NO spines and after Chad removed anyone who ever questioned anything he did and installed his yes men crew, this is going to be what you get every time.

Dave, maybe you are too in the weeds to see it but that group of people will never be critical of Chad. They are terrified of him and he will remove them from his life entirely if they ever even question him.

Also, I think Chad is closer to 34/35 than 32.

I'd also like to add thst Chad would have no problem telling them how awful and shitty they are as friends and people for doing far smaller things. Oddly enough you never hear them say anything about him.



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Four Hour Club Wrote:
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> Props to Dave for getting the question(s) out
> there, but I think this episode just reinforced
> the accepted truth; they're not going to go
> against Chad, even if he's in the wrong. The last
> 5-10 minutes of the show was Drab and Dan Creasy
> defending Chad's behavior on social media. Also,
> having that ass-kissing session take place
> virtually insures there will be no questions
> critical of Dukes next time, since there will be
> the fear of being seen as piling on.
>
> If you want to try another target, just to see if
> the show is capable of being objective and
> providing constructive criticism instead of just
> defending the crew, you could see if they'll be
> critical of Oscar's (and Dukes)'s ridiculous "pimp
> hand" stance on "wearing the pants" in a
> relationship and how healthy it is.

This was the first RTH I listened to in a while as well and I didn't think it was quite the ass-kissing session you said it was. It didn't go as far or deep as I wanted it to but it was a step in the right direction. I don't think they are ever going to bash Chad as he is still their friend but they could be slightly more critical. Sounds like next week they'll be bringing up game of thrones.

silly nub Wrote:
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> This was the first RTH I listened to in a while as
> well and I didn't think it was quite the
> ass-kissing session you said it was. It didn't go
> as far or deep as I wanted it to but it was a step
> in the right direction. I don't think they are
> ever going to bash Chad as he is still their
> friend but they could be slightly more critical.
> Sounds like next week they'll be bringing up game
> of thrones.


By friends you mean total yes men, correct? Chad obviously does not act like a friend to them.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> silly nub Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > This was the first RTH I listened to in a while
> as
> > well and I didn't think it was quite the
> > ass-kissing session you said it was. It didn't
> go
> > as far or deep as I wanted it to but it was a
> step
> > in the right direction. I don't think they are
> > ever going to bash Chad as he is still their
> > friend but they could be slightly more
> critical.
> > Sounds like next week they'll be bringing up
> game
> > of thrones.
>
>
> By friends you mean total yes men, correct? Chad
> obviously does not act like a friend to them.


Well he usually puts everyone up at the beach for free, but makes a point to tell everyone it was on his dime.

Dave,

As far as feedback, I don't think a microphone is warranted for the peanut gallery. It slows the show down and its generally uninteresting to hear about how drunk Bruce got if they can't make it an actual bit "on air". Thanks for being open to the feedback.

Was Chad in the room for the recording?

He might as well be in the room staring at them. They are all terrified of crossing him.

Yes he puts people up at the beach but only so he can remind them constantly that he's doing it and they are worthless. Then he will spend an hour plus on his show explaining how shitty they are for something insanely trivial like not staying the full week or not drinking when he told them to.

Dave, I think the better question would have been, why does Chad act like that and insult people when he himself will turn around and do the EXACT same thing on his own twitter or facebook account?

He posted pictures of the snuggies he and his gf were both wearing for Christ's sake.



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snakeinthegrass Wrote:
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> Dave,
>
> As far as feedback, I don't think a microphone is
> warranted for the peanut gallery. It slows the
> show down and its generally uninteresting to hear
> about how drunk Bruce got if they can't make it an
> actual bit "on air". Thanks for being open to the
> feedback.



There's a question in the queue that does address how much air time the peanut gallery should get.



ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> Dave, I think the better question would have been,
> why does Chad act like that and insult people when
> he himself will turn around and do the EXACT same
> thing on his own twitter or facebook account?
>
> He posted pictures of the snuggies he and his gf
> were both wearing for Christ's sake.


I don't believe this would have changed the answer. Drab answered the question 100% honestly and I assure you wasn't intimidated into sugar coating it.


I appreciate all your continued support, feedback, and patience as this is a new segment and one that isn't necessarily easy. We will continue to strive to make the show more objective and entertaining and I'll continue to bring tougher questions and topics that I get from here, twitter, facebook and emails. Thanks!

Hey mezzodave, I'd like the main show to bring back the "My Top Story" segment. It was a great way to get the Big Three talking about stuff other than Chad's inner-circle and re-caps of events.

Podcasts like Uhh Yeah Dude, My Brother My Brother & Me are popular nation-wide because the hosts are funny and engaging when talking about universal topics, while keeping the personal discussions to a minimum.

There's nothing wrong with the OCCASIONAL story from Chad's personal life involving his crew; but they need to be relatable to the casual listener who is checking out the show for the first time, and NOT the main focus of an episode.

Great. Another beach trip. So that means this week's show will be yet another hour of Chad complaining about who annoyed him, who didn't contribute, and who didn't appreciate him enough.

"I invited the usual crew of guys who contributed nothing the last 3 times I came down here, and amazingly enough, they didn't buy any beer or food this time either." We're all shocked and at the edge of our seat to hear more.

mezzodave Wrote:
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> snakeinthegrass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dave,
> >
> > As far as feedback, I don't think a microphone
> is
> > warranted for the peanut gallery. It slows the
> > show down and its generally uninteresting to
> hear
> > about how drunk Bruce got if they can't make it
> an
> > actual bit "on air". Thanks for being open to
> the
> > feedback.
>
>
>
> There's a question in the queue that does address
> how much air time the peanut gallery should get.
>
>
>
> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dave, I think the better question would have
> been,
> > why does Chad act like that and insult people
> when
> > he himself will turn around and do the EXACT
> same
> > thing on his own twitter or facebook account?
> >
> > He posted pictures of the snuggies he and his
> gf
> > were both wearing for Christ's sake.
>
>
> I don't believe this would have changed the
> answer. Drab answered the question 100% honestly
> and I assure you wasn't intimidated into sugar
> coating it.
>
>
> I appreciate all your continued support, feedback,
> and patience as this is a new segment and one that
> isn't necessarily easy. We will continue to strive
> to make the show more objective and entertaining
> and I'll continue to bring tougher questions and
> topics that I get from here, twitter, facebook and
> emails. Thanks!


Dave, I agree that I don't think Drab was going to change his answer but I would have been interested to see the mental gymnastics he would have to perform to reconcile the identical actions of Chad insulting someone online for 'making it all about themselves' and then going right on his social media account and 'making it all about himself'.

While I agree that Drab was probably not intimidated, just listen to Dan when the segment starts. He open by immediately saying 'you know Chad will be listening and take offense to everything you say' and then follows up by saying that 'I have to spend a week at the beach with him'. If you have that attitude, then he obviously is not a very good choice to be hosting a show that is supposed to take an objective view of the show.

I appreciate that this is difficult though and most of the questions, especially from here, need to be worded fairly sensitively. I appreciate your attempts at making the show better and I think your segment at the end is a great way to bring someone new to the show and hopefully you are allowed to continue.

Have a series of shows like, "Chad: A life" where he slowly comes out of the closet, that will boost downloads. That's what it's all about now, right? Downloads?

Well I'm glad that you guys asked about the internet terrorism. I thought that the answer was utterly absurd but at least it was asked.

The term "message boards" was used, to which people chuckled so I think it's clear where the question came from.

2 questions:

Where the hell is chadreallysucks??

Did anybody else think that Drab sounded different on RTH?

TheNorthman Wrote:
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> Well I'm glad that you guys asked about the
> internet terrorism. I thought that the answer was
> utterly absurd but at least it was asked.
>
> The term "message boards" was used, to which
> people chuckled so I think it's clear where the
> question came from.
>
> 2 questions:
>
> Where the hell is chadreallysucks??
>
> Did anybody else think that Drab sounded different
> on RTH?

I think Dan was the one who said 'message boards hehe".

Dan was also the one who basically became terrified that Chad might hear him say something not entirely positive about Chad and he turtled up.

I agree that it was absurd but what do you expect? Dave did what he could to facilitate a discussion by bringing the issue up and they ran to Chad's defense. They either are simply ignorant of how hypocritical Chad acts, or they are too scared to actually speak out against him.

If you listen to the show, even Drab is apologizing that Sonny Leford (or however you spell his name, I don't even know who that is) talked to him instead of Chad. It's really bad.

Also, I don't know if Drab sounded different. He sounded like he always does to me. I think what came out with him hosting the show is just how bad he is at enunciating and using actual words but, at the same time, how interesting he is and talented at leading the show.

Also, as a total aside to anyone out here. Is it really a big deal to 'sell out' Jammin Java? It's listed as one of the better event venues in the area so is selling 250 tickets something they couldn't do for any event?



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ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> TheNorthman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well I'm glad that you guys asked about the
> > internet terrorism. I thought that the answer
> was
> > utterly absurd but at least it was asked.
> >
> > The term "message boards" was used, to which
> > people chuckled so I think it's clear where the
> > question came from.
> >
> > 2 questions:
> >
> > Where the hell is chadreallysucks??
> >
> > Did anybody else think that Drab sounded
> different
> > on RTH?
>
> I think Dan was the one who said 'message boards
> hehe".
>
> Dan was also the one who basically became
> terrified that Chad might hear him say something
> not entirely positive about Chad and he turtled
> up.
>
> I agree that it was absurd but what do you expect?
> Dave did what he could to facilitate a discussion
> by bringing the issue up and they ran to Chad's
> defense. They either are simply ignorant of how
> hypocritical Chad acts, or they are too scared to
> actually speak out against him.
>
> If you listen to the show, even Drab is
> apologizing that Sonny Leford (or however you
> spell his name, I don't even know who that is)
> talked to him instead of Chad. It's really bad.
>
> Also, I don't know if Drab sounded different. He
> sounded like he always does to me. I think what
> came out with him hosting the show is just how bad
> he is at enunciating and using actual words but,
> at the same time, how interesting he is and
> talented at leading the show.
>
> Also, as a total aside to anyone out here. Is it
> really a big deal to 'sell out' Jammin Java? It's
> listed as one of the better event venues in the
> area so is selling 250 tickets something they
> couldn't do for any event?

Selling out Jammin' Java is not a big deal. I've been in a group that performed there. It is a small coffee shop style venue. The State Theater, Arlington Cinema Drafthouse, even long-lost Velocity Five were all bigger venues. Jammin' Java is also a bitch to get to if you don't live in Vienna/Fairfax.

Dukes free streaming on now http://www.ustream.tv/channel/big-o-and-dukes/theater so far so good. Todd from tech411 is subbing

No Dukes? This looks promising. I'll listen while I work.

Had to bow out, but the show was pretty decent. Much better without Chad dominating. It reminds me a bit of last week's Mike O'Meara show. More relaxed atmosphere. Oscar is an idiot.

Todd Moore seems about as exciting as the Oakton Wine Shop guy, any better than that?

Done watching Wrote:
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> Had to bow out, but the show was pretty decent.
> Much better without Chad dominating. It reminds
> me a bit of last week's Mike O'Meara show. More
> relaxed atmosphere. Oscar is an idiot.


What did Oscar do? Try to talk about tech? It's embarrassing when he does that.

The show wasn't bad. 50 minutes of Oscar talking about getting a cat he didn't want is a little excessive, but it beats Chad yelling about soccer games or hearing from the peanut gallery. It is painful to hear Oscar speak at times though, when every other sentence is a cliche or verbal crutch. The reality is, Oscar owns it, he wears the pants but is not a very good speaker.

Four Hour Club Wrote:
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> Todd Moore seems about as exciting as the Oakton
> Wine Shop guy, any better than that?

Interesting though that they didn't pull in Sven or Zohan to co-host. Not that I would want them to do that, but Todd Moore is a relative outsider to the show.

Chad is really the only one with any actual on air ability. Oscar is a TERRIBLE speaker and really relies on someone else to anchor and carry the show.

I love Metrosexual Oskar. He's 2 hip 2 be cool.

For those of you that listened to the shows this week, let me know if you have any topics you'd like us to discuss on Rally The Horde.

I still have some of the more general questions posed last week pending so please keep the forthcoming questions relevant to the two shows recorded yesterday. You're welcome to post them here of course but it helps me out if you email them to mezzodave@gmail.com.

Thanks for your support and patience as we strive to make the show more about you, the listener!

Four Hour Club Wrote:
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> The show wasn't bad. 50 minutes of Oscar talking
> about getting a cat he didn't want is a little
> excessive, but it beats Chad yelling about soccer
> games or hearing from the peanut gallery. It is
> painful to hear Oscar speak at times though, when
> every other sentence is a cliche or verbal crutch.
> The reality is, Oscar owns it, he wears the pants
> but is not a very good speaker.


In reference to Oscar 'wearing the pants' as he always says... it is such a blatant self deception. The only time I have ever thought Oscar was ever actually interesting on the radio (outside of his funny childhood stories) was when he going through the breakup with Kara. It was really interesting to see a guy continually say he wore the pants in the relationship and yet his gf was actively fucking other guys and demanding he pay her bills... and he did it.

Then he turned to the phrase of 'I won't let a woman destroy my life' and yet, that's EXACTLY what she did. Oscar's health went to hell, he sounded like shit every single episode, he still desperately wanted to be with her despite her cheating multiple times with multiple men, etc.

ChadIsFat Wrote:
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> Four Hour Club Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The show wasn't bad. 50 minutes of Oscar
> talking
> > about getting a cat he didn't want is a little
> > excessive, but it beats Chad yelling about
> soccer
> > games or hearing from the peanut gallery. It is
> > painful to hear Oscar speak at times though,
> when
> > every other sentence is a cliche or verbal
> crutch.
> > The reality is, Oscar owns it, he wears the
> pants
> > but is not a very good speaker.
>
>
> In reference to Oscar 'wearing the pants' as he
> always says... it is such a blatant self
> deception. The only time I have ever thought
> Oscar was ever actually interesting on the radio
> (outside of his funny childhood stories) was when
> he going through the breakup with Kara. It was
> really interesting to see a guy continually say he
> wore the pants in the relationship and yet his gf
> was actively fucking other guys and demanding he
> pay her bills... and he did it.
>
> Then he turned to the phrase of 'I won't let a
> woman destroy my life' and yet, that's EXACTLY
> what she did. Oscar's health went to hell, he
> sounded like shit every single episode, he still
> desperately wanted to be with her despite her
> cheating multiple times with multiple men, etc.

Very true. On the other hand, Chad seems to back up his talk. I've never been with, or hell, even known a woman who would tolerate what Dukes does with his spare time. Bringing a bunch of dudes with them to the beach. Watching wrestling religiously. Playing video games. Off every Saturday playing ultimate frisbee and drinking. I remember him saying on the JFK show how he made her park down the street after grocery shopping and she had to carry everything down the street and up the townhome's huge set of stairs.

So either she is sucking off anyone who is left alone in a room with her behind his back while enjoying a free roof over her head, or he really does have her locked down. Either way, I guess he gets what he wants out of the relationship, which from the way he talks about her, I'm not sure exactly what Chad wants out of it. He says he doesn't care about getting laid and spends all his time with guys. Why bother with the chick?

John Beyrooty Wrote:
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> ChadIsFat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Four Hour Club Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The show wasn't bad. 50 minutes of Oscar
> > talking
> > > about getting a cat he didn't want is a
> little
> > > excessive, but it beats Chad yelling about
> > soccer
> > > games or hearing from the peanut gallery. It
> is
> > > painful to hear Oscar speak at times though,
> > when
> > > every other sentence is a cliche or verbal
> > crutch.
> > > The reality is, Oscar owns it, he wears the
> > pants
> > > but is not a very good speaker.
> >
> >
> > In reference to Oscar 'wearing the pants' as he
> > always says... it is such a blatant self
> > deception. The only time I have ever thought
> > Oscar was ever actually interesting on the
> radio
> > (outside of his funny childhood stories) was
> when
> > he going through the breakup with Kara. It was
> > really interesting to see a guy continually say
> he
> > wore the pants in the relationship and yet his
> gf
> > was actively fucking other guys and demanding
> he
> > pay her bills... and he did it.
> >
> > Then he turned to the phrase of 'I won't let a
> > woman destroy my life' and yet, that's EXACTLY
> > what she did. Oscar's health went to hell, he
> > sounded like shit every single episode, he
> still
> > desperately wanted to be with her despite her
> > cheating multiple times with multiple men, etc.
>
> Very true. On the other hand, Chad seems to back
> up his talk. I've never been with, or hell, even
> known a woman who would tolerate what Dukes does
> with his spare time. Bringing a bunch of dudes
> with them to the beach. Watching wrestling
> religiously. Playing video games. Off every
> Saturday playing ultimate frisbee and drinking. I
> remember him saying on the JFK show how he made
> her park down the street after grocery shopping
> and she had to carry everything down the street
> and up the townhome's huge set of stairs.
>
> So either she is sucking off anyone who is left
> alone in a room with her behind his back while
> enjoying a free roof over her head, or he really
> does have her locked down. Either way, I guess he
> gets what he wants out of the relationship, which
> from the way he talks about her, I'm not sure
> exactly what Chad wants out of it. He says he
> doesn't care about getting laid and spends all his
> time with guys. Why bother with the chick?

She is a beard.

Well duh

Chad and Danny doing a Jammin Java show together.....all is well between them?

Dukeman. Wrote:
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> Chad and Danny doing a Jammin Java show
> together.....all is well between them?


That fat bastard took top billing... http://jamminjava.com/home/events/comedy-harvest-chad-dukes-danny-rouhier-justin-daniels

Hasn't it been established Dukes can't do standup?

Dukeman. Wrote:
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> Chad and Danny doing a Jammin Java show
> together.....all is well between them?


I live for this!

Jammin Jawa Wrote:
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> Hasn't it been established Dukes can't do standup?

Very well established and even admitted to by Chad many times. I hope Danny is the main event and Chad has to open for him. There is no way Chad should be the headliner.

Chad O'Dukes is back:

Carbon Leaf at Kelly's? Don't mind if I do! (@ Kelly's Outer Banks Restaurant & Tavern) 4sq.com/LEELh8

— chad dukes (@chaddukes) June 29, 2012

Looks like Dukes needs to update his Bio on JJ's site. Half the shit on there is things he doesn't want to be apart of again.