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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 09, 2011 09:49AM

Extended mag. When you're in a crowd with a table next to a wall, targets are easy to hit.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 09, 2011 09:53AM

No misses Wrote:
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>
> Sure glad the wackos are taking out dangerous
> future "bad guys" like 9 year old girls born on
> Sep. 11, 2001...

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: found this ()
Date: January 09, 2011 09:56AM


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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: January 09, 2011 10:04AM

Here are some of his other ramblings and videos. I'd say he has issues.







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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 10:04AM

Mein Kamf Wrote:
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> Nazi ideology is SOCIALIST, National SOCIALIST.


Nazi was socialist just like the People's Republic of China is representative of the people's will in China.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: erik ()
Date: January 09, 2011 05:20PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> No misses Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Sure glad the wackos are taking out dangerous
> > future "bad guys" like 9 year old girls born on
> > Sep. 11, 2001...
>
> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to
> time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and
> if any women or children get their legs torn off,
> or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them.

+ eins

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 05:40PM

No. The Tea Party doesn't advocate the killing of politicians or Federal judges at all...

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 09, 2011 05:43PM


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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 05:48PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/i
> mages/media/images/1011-joe-manchin-aim/8786405-1-
> eng-US/1011-Joe-Manchin-aim_full_600.jpg


Ah yes. I remember the ads where Manchin said he would use "Second Amendment Remedies" to settle an election if he lost it. Or threatening to "take out," with crosshairs, members of Congress who voted for legislation he opposed.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Plowman in the Valley ()
Date: January 09, 2011 05:48PM

Democrats are using this tragedy as a cudgel to beat the Republicans over the head, which I think is premature. This guy was a complete nut job and was identified as mentally unstable very early on. There's no need to jump to conclusions.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 05:51PM

Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
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> Democrats are using this tragedy as a cudgel to
> beat the Republicans over the head, which I think
> is premature. This guy was a complete nut job and
> was identified as mentally unstable very early on.
> There's no need to jump to conclusions.


I don't know if he is a Tea Party member or not. I am condemning the use of violent rhetoric and imagery by a group that supports the GOP. You know, conservatives love to berate moderate Muslims for not condemning 9/11 (which they have, by the way). For once, I would love to see Boehner, Palin or some other fucking Republican say, "Even though it is your right, bringing guns to political rallies and using violent inferences in political speech is not helpful."

But these chickenshits won't. They are more cowardly than the people they criticize for being cowards.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 09, 2011 06:00PM

LOL. One of Palin's aides claims the web graphic didn't contain crosshairs. She said they were "surveyors' symbols"!!

These people are fucking clowns.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2011 06:01PM by TheMeeper.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Plowman in the Valley ()
Date: January 09, 2011 06:01PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Democrats are using this tragedy as a cudgel to
> > beat the Republicans over the head, which I
> think
> > is premature. This guy was a complete nut job
> and
> > was identified as mentally unstable very early
> on.
> > There's no need to jump to conclusions.
>
>
> I don't know if he is a Tea Party member or not. I
> am condemning the use of violent rhetoric and
> imagery by a group that supports the GOP. You
> know, conservatives love to berate moderate
> Muslims for not condemning 9/11 (which they have,
> by the way). For once, I would love to see
> Boehner, Palin or some other fucking Republican
> say, "Even though it is your right, bringing guns
> to political rallies and using violent inferences
> in political speech is not helpful."
>
> But these chickenshits won't. They are more
> cowardly than the people they criticize for being
> cowards.

Logic fail. If he's not a member of the Tea Party, then the Tea Party has nothing to apologize for, unlike say radical Muslims who are, through and though, Muslim. Listen, if it's shown that his actions were condoned, his violent rhetoric encouraged by the Tea Party, the entire Republican establishment should apologize. Until then, the Democrats should be somewhat cautious about throwing stones. The simplest and most logical hypothesis is that this guy was a schizo, not a Tea Party terrorist.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: BrandonVA ()
Date: January 09, 2011 06:27PM

This guy wasted his ammo which could have been better spent inside a mosque with radical ties.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 06:57PM

Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
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> Logic fail. If he's not a member of the Tea Party,
> then the Tea Party has nothing to apologize for,
> unlike say radical Muslims who are, through and
> though, Muslim. Listen, if it's shown that his
> actions were condoned, his violent rhetoric
> encouraged by the Tea Party, the entire Republican
> establishment should apologize. Until then, the
> Democrats should be somewhat cautious about
> throwing stones. The simplest and most logical
> hypothesis is that this guy was a schizo, not a
> Tea Party terrorist.

How many times have you heard GOP leaders criticize Muslims who have had nothing to do with Al Qaeda for not condemning the anti-West rhetoric of some of the Imams out there? This is no different. The GOP leadership is too chickenshit to criticize the violent rhetoric used within the Tea Party. Even worse some, like Palin, have adopted it.

I'm not saying the Republican establishment should apologize. I'm saying they need to condemn those within their own ranks, and specifically the Tea Party, for using violent rhetoric against Democrats.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 06:58PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> LOL. One of Palin's aides claims the web graphic
> didn't contain crosshairs. She said they were
> "surveyors' symbols"!!
>
> These people are fucking clowns.


They were also caught red handed. They know damn well what they were doing.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: January 09, 2011 07:07PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I'll leave the politicization of this shit alone.
> From the reports on this guy he was a
> flag-burning, tea patrier who was anti-god,
> opposed US currency and listed the Communist
> Manifesto and Mein Kampf as his favorite
> books.Leave the finger pointing on this one to the
> old PTA cunts and political opportunists. The guy
> was a straight up lunatic from what I've read.
>
>
> RIP for the deceased, recovery wishes for the
> wounded.


+1

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Plowman in the Valley ()
Date: January 09, 2011 07:08PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Logic fail. If he's not a member of the Tea
> Party,
> > then the Tea Party has nothing to apologize
> for,
> > unlike say radical Muslims who are, through and
> > though, Muslim. Listen, if it's shown that his
> > actions were condoned, his violent rhetoric
> > encouraged by the Tea Party, the entire
> Republican
> > establishment should apologize. Until then, the
> > Democrats should be somewhat cautious about
> > throwing stones. The simplest and most logical
> > hypothesis is that this guy was a schizo, not a
> > Tea Party terrorist.
>
> How many times have you heard GOP leaders
> criticize Muslims who have had nothing to do with
> Al Qaeda for not condemning the anti-West rhetoric
> of some of the Imams out there? This is no
> different. The GOP leadership is too chickenshit
> to criticize the violent rhetoric used within the
> Tea Party. Even worse some, like Palin, have
> adopted it.
>
> I'm not saying the Republican establishment should
> apologize. I'm saying they need to condemn those
> within their own ranks, and specifically the Tea
> Party, for using violent rhetoric against
> Democrats.

Again, you're assuming that this guy was a Tea Partier or some Republican nut. As far as we know, he was a schizo with wild political beliefs. Should Republicans condemn all schizos in their own ranks? When the facts come out, then we can start calling people hypocrites based on their acts or omissions. Until then, you and the media are just jumping to conclusions and using a lone actor as a hammer against an ideology that you don't like.

Incidentally, Republicans should condemn those who use violent rhetoric in their ranks, just as Democrats should have condemned those in their ranks accusing the last admin of being perpetrators of genocide and Nazis. What we should all do before we use this tragedy as a teaching moment, is step back and determine whether there is in fact cause to condemn his actions as an outgrowth of this ideology.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 09, 2011 07:12PM

Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
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>
> Again, you're assuming that this guy was a Tea
> Partier or some Republican nut. As far as we know,
> he was a schizo with wild political beliefs.
> Should Republicans condemn all schizos in their
> own ranks? When the facts come out, then we can
> start calling people hypocrites based on their
> acts or omissions. Until then, you and the media
> are just jumping to conclusions and using a lone
> actor as a hammer against an ideology that you
> don't like.
>
> Incidentally, Republicans should condemn those who
> use violent rhetoric in their ranks, just as
> Democrats should have condemned those in their
> ranks accusing the last admin of being
> perpetrators of genocide and Nazis. What we should
> all do before we use this tragedy as a teaching
> moment, is step back and determine whether there
> is in fact cause to condemn his actions as an
> outgrowth of this ideology.

I'm not accusing the guy of being a Tea Partier. I'm saying that when a nut opens up on an elected official and kills a Federal judge in a state that has been a hotbed for anti-immigration rhetoric, maybe the GOP leadership should condemn the rhetoric of a major political force that implies the need to use violence against politicians and Federal judges you don't agree with. It's never okay to murder people...or threaten to murder people...simply because you don't agree with them.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Plowman in the Valley ()
Date: January 09, 2011 07:19PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Again, you're assuming that this guy was a Tea
> > Partier or some Republican nut. As far as we
> know,
> > he was a schizo with wild political beliefs.
> > Should Republicans condemn all schizos in their
> > own ranks? When the facts come out, then we can
> > start calling people hypocrites based on their
> > acts or omissions. Until then, you and the
> media
> > are just jumping to conclusions and using a
> lone
> > actor as a hammer against an ideology that you
> > don't like.
> >
> > Incidentally, Republicans should condemn those
> who
> > use violent rhetoric in their ranks, just as
> > Democrats should have condemned those in their
> > ranks accusing the last admin of being
> > perpetrators of genocide and Nazis. What we
> should
> > all do before we use this tragedy as a teaching
> > moment, is step back and determine whether
> there
> > is in fact cause to condemn his actions as an
> > outgrowth of this ideology.
>
> I'm not accusing the guy of being a Tea Partier.
> I'm saying that when a nut opens up on an elected
> official and kills a Federal judge in a state that
> has been a hotbed for anti-immigration rhetoric,
> maybe the GOP leadership should condemn the
> rhetoric of a major political force that implies
> the need to use violence against politicians and
> Federal judges you don't agree with. It's never
> okay to murder people...or threaten to murder
> people...simply because you don't agree with them.

So the Republicans would be apologizing for something they're not responsible simply because it happened in a state where there are huge number of right-wing nutjobs? Should Democrats apologize for Jeffrey Dahmer because he committed his crimes in a liberal state represented by Russ Feingold? You want to use this event as a reason to finger point, but until the facts come out, you simply can't.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Gotta Luvher ()
Date: January 09, 2011 07:19PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> LOL. One of Palin's aides claims the web graphic
> didn't contain crosshairs. She said they were
> "surveyors' symbols"!!
>
> These people are fucking clowns.

Especially since Palin said they were crosshairs: http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/statuses/29677744457

Dumb.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: January 09, 2011 07:29PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> No. The Tea Party doesn't advocate the killing of
> politicians or Federal judges at all...
>


Your pic kinda shoots down the Tea Party Is Racist argument, huh?

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 09, 2011 08:57PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Again, you're assuming that this guy was a Tea
> > Partier or some Republican nut. As far as we
> know,
> > he was a schizo with wild political beliefs.
> > Should Republicans condemn all schizos in their
> > own ranks? When the facts come out, then we can
> > start calling people hypocrites based on their
> > acts or omissions. Until then, you and the
> media
> > are just jumping to conclusions and using a
> lone
> > actor as a hammer against an ideology that you
> > don't like.
> >
> > Incidentally, Republicans should condemn those
> who
> > use violent rhetoric in their ranks, just as
> > Democrats should have condemned those in their
> > ranks accusing the last admin of being
> > perpetrators of genocide and Nazis. What we
> should
> > all do before we use this tragedy as a teaching
> > moment, is step back and determine whether
> there
> > is in fact cause to condemn his actions as an
> > outgrowth of this ideology.
>
> I'm not accusing the guy of being a Tea Partier.
> I'm saying that when a nut opens up on an elected
> official and kills a Federal judge in a state that
> has been a hotbed for anti-immigration rhetoric,
> maybe the GOP leadership should condemn the
> rhetoric of a major political force that implies
> the need to use violence against politicians and
> Federal judges you don't agree with. It's never
> okay to murder people...or threaten to murder
> people...simply because you don't agree with them.

I doubt HIGHLY that the judge was a target. He happened to be there. Federal judges (at the district court level) are usually very low key, and to claim that there was some intent to kill the judge (who, BTW, was a Bush 1 apointee) is going to be tough to demonstrate.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: booster seat ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:01AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm not accusing the guy of being a Tea Partier.
> I'm saying that when a nut opens up on an elected
> official and kills a Federal judge in a state that
> has been a hotbed for anti-immigration rhetoric,
> maybe the GOP leadership should condemn the
> rhetoric of a major political force that implies
> the need to use violence against politicians and
> Federal judges you don't agree with. It's never
> okay to murder people...or threaten to murder
> people...simply because you don't agree with them.

Where was your and the President's denunciation of this:

bill-ayers-white.jpg

John Boehner said: that “an attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serves.â€

What more do you want?

The guy was an atheist. Maybe you want to have the government look for atheists?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:24AM

The latest article on yahoo is loaded with comments about the shooter being a republican, teabagger, right-winger, etc. Even though it looks like he was a mix of nuttiness from all sides, it doesn't matter. Any time something like this happens, it means that you have to stop disagreeing with "me" and stop speaking your mind, or you are also a right wing nutcase, as "we" have already branded this guy.

It's not a simple attack of a politician by a schizo, it's an opportunity to trash anyone who isn't left wing enough, and like Rahm Emanual says, "Never let a crisis go to waste".

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:44AM

tomahawk Wrote:
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> The latest article on yahoo is loaded with
> comments about the shooter being a republican,
> teabagger, right-winger, etc. Even though it looks
> like he was a mix of nuttiness from all sides, it
> doesn't matter. Any time something like this
> happens, it means that you have to stop
> disagreeing with "me" and stop speaking your mind,
> or you are also a right wing nutcase, as "we" have
> already branded this guy.
>
> It's not a simple attack of a politician by a
> schizo, it's an opportunity to trash anyone who
> isn't left wing enough, and like Rahm Emanual
> says, "Never let a crisis go to waste".


The immediate knee jerk reaction by the left to blame this tragedy on the "Tea Party", whatever that means, only serves to highlight their zealotry and inability to think logically.

What does the "Tea Party" have to do with a paranoid atheist who shot a conservative democrat who supported the 2nd amendment?

Why not assume he was an anti-Semite trying to rid the world of one more Jew?

Why not assume he killed because he hated female congresswomen or those who voted against Nancy Pelosi for minority leader?

Why not assume he was reacting to the vitriol from the left and its constant denigration of those who oppose this government’s agenda and expansion of power?

For those who simply must make assumptions, why not assume something more logical, like... maybe he killed because a voice in his schizophrenic brain told him to.

Or, better still, how about waiting for the facts to emerge and then, without clouding those facts with political ideology, examine them logically? Now that’s a radical idea.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: logically speaking ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:46AM

Numbers Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
>
>
> > Your words are falling on deaf ears. The
> majority
> > of people that belong to the Tea Party could
> not
> > tell you the difference between socialism and
> > communism, capitalism and democracy, or fascism
> > versus communism. All they know is public
> health
> > care is evil and unchristian and global warming
> is
> > a myth because there is snow on the ground.
>
>
> +1000

The guy was an atheist. So, the atheists should be blamed for this tragedy. Right?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: January 10, 2011 07:52AM

booster seat Wrote:
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>
> The guy was an atheist. Maybe you want to have
> the government look for atheists?

So basically, your point is he can not use the excuse God told him it was ok, like so many other Mass Murderers and our politicians have said.

"Pray for our military. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country - that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God" Sarah Palin

'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."President George W Bush.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:14AM

When I find the party that is pro-mind-control I'll know who to blame. This guy was against mind control!

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Voter____ ()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:20AM

Sarah Palin and other Republicans have a good deal of responsibility for this kind of thing because they have chosen a political strategy based on stoking fear and anger by lying about their opponents. Charges of socialism, death panels, birth certificate nonsense, and other outright falsehoods are meant to scare people into believing that a rogue government has taken over. That some crazy person then takes the next logical step and concludes that violence is an acceptable remedy to the "tyranny" shouldn't be too surprising--we've seen it before.

People warned Palin and others about this kind of thing and they dismissed it. She supported a candidate for the senate who spoke about "Second Amendment Remedies". As usual, instead of listening to criticism and reconsidering her behavior she doubles down and intentionally tweaks her critics.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:38AM

Arrest Sarah Palin!

It was her that drove this guy the last centimeter over the edge! He had this in his back yard but Sarah Palin drove him to the act! I have no idea what a skull and candles and some creepy plate have to do with anything Sarah Palin said, but arrest her!





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 08:45AM by justsayin.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Voter____ ()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:52AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Arrest Sarah Palin!
>

People like you don't seem to understand the difference between holding people accountable for their rhetoric and actions and holding them responsible for other people's crimes. No, Sarah Palin is responsible for what this nutcase did. But she is responsible for her own lies and overheated rhetoric. As somebody who supposedly wants to lead, she should know that she has to be a better example to her dimwitted followers.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:59AM

Voter____ Wrote:
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> No, Sarah
> Palin is responsible for what this nutcase did.

It is hard to believe anyone would actually write that, but I guess there are some out there. I also point you to WV's Joe Manchin, a Democrat.



Please produce a single ad run by Sarah Palin that matches that one in gun-violence suggestion. And while you are at it please produce some shred of evidence he was a follower of Sarah Palin. He killed a conservative, Republican-nominated federal judge. Where in the Palin rhetoric does she suggest conservative judges should be criticized, let alone killed?

Forgive me for being "one of those people" interested in the root cause of why someone did something violent, as opposed to unevidenced knee-jerk reactionism and quick identification of easy scapegoats.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 09:06AM by justsayin.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Voter____ ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:10AM

One of the downsides of not registering--I meant to write 'Palin is not responsible'. That should be clear from the context 'No, Palin is [not]' and 'But, she is'.


justsayin Wrote:
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> Voter____ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, Sarah
> > Palin is responsible for what this nutcase did.
>
> It is hard to believe anyone would actually write
> that, but I guess there are some out there. I

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:13AM

Voter____ Wrote:
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> Sarah Palin is responsible for what this nutcase did.

Oh wow.


Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
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> Democrats are using this tragedy as a cudgel to
> beat the Republicans over the head, which I think
> is premature. This guy was a complete nut job and
> was identified as mentally unstable very early on.
> There's no need to jump to conclusions.


Someone who knew him described him as an ultra-liberal, left-wing pot head obsessed with 2012 end-of-world theories wrought on our world by liberal demokrat hollywood.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

It is more fun though to ignore all that and jump to conclusions, just like the DC area did with the beltway sniper, that this is some republican scrawny white guy with issues. He may in fact be a demokrat scrawny white guy with issues.

Remember the sniper case, what your ignorant knee-jerk konklusions are here may not turn out to be correct.

------------------------------------

twitter @EyeAmU

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:14AM

Palin removed the bullseye graphic from her website after the shooting. Why do that? Because she knows she's wrong, but won't admit it.

Gifford's teabagger opponent held a political rally where people shot guns and talked about "targeting Gifford".

No one should be surprised that this shooting spree happened.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Wut?? ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:18AM

Wow, in reading about the alleged shooter in this article, all of his non-sensical ranting, anti-social behavoir and extreme views could easily have been pulled from some of the posts on this forum.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40996934/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Kind of scary...

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: havesomesense ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:22AM

I noticed too all of Palin's skull shrine photos were taken down. Obama has also taken down all quotes of him referring to the "shellacking" he took in the November election from the White House press pages, lest anyone believe they think he is calling for an actual physical event.

Our society and our language contain metaphors, that is a fact of life. Should we outlaw every simile and metaphor from our English language, lest anything be taken out of context? Let's eliminate all jokes and sarcasm as well, given they are often lies when read at face value.

There are crazy people out there. Had he rammed his pickup truck through the crowd and killed twenty people that way would you be blaming Sarah Palin? Crazy people do crazy things without Sarah Palin, the history on this guy predates McCain's unleashing of that bimbo on our nation.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Voter____ ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:24AM

First of all, it doesn't matter whether he was a supporter of Palin's or not. Palin has contributed to a climate where a lot of people who are in positions of responsibility are fostering a belief that a revolution is necessary. She stoked the Bill Ayer's controversy--planting the idea that Obama is somehow associated with terrorists and radicals. She capitalized on the fear caused by the financial crisis to allow people to believe that Obama's policies were the cause of many of those problems and making them worse. She created the whole 'Death Panel' lie, etc.

As for the example of Joe Manchin: First of all, he is barely a Democrat. He ran far to the right to get elected. Secondly, this is the difference between the radical right and those on the left: clearly there are crazies on both sides. But Democrats disassociate themselves from their crazies, while Republicans elevate them to highest positions they can. Show me a Democrat clamoring to have Joe Manchin 'primary' Obama. How many Facebook fans does Bill Ayer's have? How did Cindy Sheehan do in her race against Nancy Pelosi? The right makes heros of Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Newt Gingrich so they own their actions.




justsayin Wrote:
> that, but I guess there are some out there. I
> also point you to WV's Joe Manchin, a Democrat.
>
>
> Please produce a single ad run by Sarah Palin that
> matches that one in gun-violence suggestion. And
> while you are at it please produce some shred of
> evidence he was a follower of Sarah Palin. He
> killed a conservative, Republican-nominated
> federal judge. Where in the Palin rhetoric does
> she suggest conservative judges should be
> criticized, let alone killed?
>

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: the truth ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:27AM

Looks like another MoveOn.org pothead is heading to the insane asylum, a la John Hinckley Jr.

Not tea party, he's been obsessed with her since 2007, keeping a letter from her stashed at home in a safe.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:30AM

havesomesense Wrote:
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>
> Obama has also taken down all
> quotes of him referring to the "shellacking" he

Such harsh language. I won't be surprised when some nutcase pulls out a paintbrush and coats people with varnish.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:36AM

Oh yes....The left wing is always so, so peaceful:






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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: whathesaid ()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:40AM

All one has to do is Google "IMF protest turns violent" to see that no particular group of humans has a monopoly on violence.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 10:15AM

Once again, I've never heard Al Gore, Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean advocate violence against elected officials. What exactly did Sharron Angle mean by "Second Amendment Remedies?" Why did Sarah Palin repeatedly use gun references when discussing dealing with elected officials? And why haven't Boehner or McConnell condemned this language?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 10:20AM

the truth Wrote:
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> Looks like another MoveOn.org pothead is heading
> to the insane asylum, a la John Hinckley Jr.
>
> Not tea party, he's been obsessed with her since
> 2007, keeping a letter from her stashed at home in
> a safe.


Yes. A lefty who burns the American flag because the American flag isn't mentioned in the Constitution? Or that supports an anti-immigration group that is trying to drive illegals out of Arizona? Or that questions U.S. currency?

The guy is a nut who may have been a lefty four years ago. But somewhere along the way he started picking up on some pretty libertarian things. And somewhere along the way he figured out it was okay to try to blow the brains out of an elected official who he disagreed with. You don't hear too many liberals advocating that position, but you do hear it a lot from Sarah Palin and company.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:24AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Once again, I've never heard Al Gore, Dennis
> Kucinich or Howard Dean advocate violence against
> elected officials. What exactly did Sharron Angle
> mean by "Second Amendment Remedies?" Why did Sarah
> Palin repeatedly use gun references when
> discussing dealing with elected officials? And why
> haven't Boehner or McConnell condemned this
> language?


I've never heard John McCain, Mitch McConnell or Eric Cantor advocate violence either.

You've got extremism on both sides. You've got ultra right groups that advocate violent downthrow of the government; you've got ultra left groups that threaten to kill and burn development, business and houses.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:25AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Once again, I've never heard Al Gore, Dennis
> Kucinich or Howard Dean advocate violence against
> elected officials. What exactly did Sharron Angle
> mean by "Second Amendment Remedies?" Why did Sarah
> Palin repeatedly use gun references when
> discussing dealing with elected officials? And why
> haven't Boehner or McConnell condemned this
> language?

because they understand that they are only words used to "psyche up" an audience. it's more subtle than, "fuck those idiots" which also would not mean they would want anyone to literally fuck them.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:30AM


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Date: January 10, 2011 10:30AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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>
>
> I've never heard John McCain, Mitch McConnell or
> Eric Cantor advocate violence either.
>
> You've got extremism on both sides. You've got
> ultra right groups that advocate violent downthrow
> of the government; you've got ultra left groups
> that threaten to kill and burn development,
> business and houses.

John McCain, Mitch McConnell and Eric Cantor have all kissed Sarah Palin's ass. I haven't heard any member of the GOP leadership come out and say, "There's not place for violent rhetoric in our political speech." They don't even have to say shit about the GOP or Tea Party. Just acknowledge that this language is unacceptable.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:32AM

An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society.

John Boehner (R-Ohio).

Please shut the fuck up, now.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:43AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> How many times have you heard GOP leaders
> criticize Muslims who have had nothing to do with
> Al Qaeda for not condemning the anti-West rhetoric
> of some of the Imams out there? This is no
> different. The GOP leadership is too chickenshit
> to criticize the violent rhetoric used within the
> Tea Party. Even worse some, like Palin, have
> adopted it.
>
> I'm not saying the Republican establishment should
> apologize. I'm saying they need to condemn those
> within their own ranks, and specifically the Tea
> Party, for using violent rhetoric against
> Democrats.

How many 'Tea Party' folks have put bombs in crowded places to mass kill civilians again? Other then some abortion supporter who bombed clinics or shot some doctors - which by the way, has nothing to do with the tea party - what else has the current political affiliation of tea party types done that rises to the level of Al Qaeda?

What a load of shit WTL. This guy was a whack job, and he went out and killed folks with a gun. That is the long and short of it. There was nothing about this guy that had anything to do with the tea party, or other conservatives, and the fact that the first thing out of libtards mouths is that somehow conservatives should first off be blamed for his actions, and second somehow they should be held accountable is patent BS. Every time we have seen this of late, it has been a lefty, or left-leaning loon that decided to pull the trigger, or fly their plane into a building - so maybe the leftys should apologize for being a bunch of whack-a-nuts for allowing these kind of folks flourish - that have no qualms about using guns on innocent people. Maybe they should call the DailyKOS to account for putting out a target list of Blue Dog Dems who voted against Pelosi - one of whom was this lady that got shot.

No... maybe folks should just realize, this guy was a loon, and until the full story is out, maybe the stupid inflaming rhetoric should be reigned in. MSM and the Rachel Maddow/Keith Olbermanns of the world are foaming at the mouth right now trying to lay this on everyone's doorstep except the guy that actually pulled the trigger.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:48AM

Voter____ Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Arrest Sarah Palin!
> >
>
> People like you don't seem to understand the
> difference between holding people accountable for
> their rhetoric and actions and holding them
> responsible for other people's crimes. No, Sarah
> Palin is responsible for what this nutcase did.
> But she is responsible for her own lies and
> overheated rhetoric. As somebody who supposedly
> wants to lead, she should know that she has to be
> a better example to her dimwitted followers.

Yeah, let's arrest Pelosi for calling folks protesting health care changes Nazis. If we held folks accountable for their overheated rhetoric, that would pretty much wipe out Congress, the executive branch, and most of the MSM.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
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Date: January 10, 2011 10:48AM


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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 10:57AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> An attack on one who serves is an attack on all
> who serve. Acts and threats of violence against
> public officials have no place in our society.
>
> John Boehner (R-Ohio).
>
> Please shut the fuck up, now.


It's nice that Boehner did that, even though it was after somebody got shot in the head. This is what Boehner was saying before...

Another Ohio Democrat, Steve Driehaus, clashed repeatedly with Boehner before losing his seat in the midterm elections. After Boehner suggested that by voting for Obamacare, Driehaus "may be a dead man" and "can't go home to the west side of Cincinnati" because "the Catholics will run him out of town," Driehaus began receiving death threats, and a right-wing website published directions to his house.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 10:59AM

Ahh...taking your talking points from Daily Kos I see.

You asked for a statement. You got a statement.

Can't please the liberal establishment, apparently.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Voter____ ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:00AM

Who said anything about arresting anybody?

Registered Voter Wrote:
>
> Yeah, let's arrest Pelosi for calling folks
> protesting health care changes Nazis. If we held
> folks accountable for their overheated rhetoric,
> that would pretty much wipe out Congress, the
> executive branch, and most of the MSM.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: BrandonVA ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:01AM

It was mentioned on CNN that he had written to her before and it wasn't a threat because she wrote back to him and thanked him for attending a previous local rally back in 2007. Sounds like a former supporter than turned on her for whatever reason.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:02AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> How many 'Tea Party' folks have put bombs in
> crowded places to mass kill civilians again?


mcveigh.jpgmurrah2.jpg

Oh, and the T-Shirt McVeigh was wearing at the time had this written on it...

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:04AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Ahh...taking your talking points from Daily Kos I
> see.
>
> You asked for a statement. You got a statement.
>
>
> Can't please the liberal establishment,
> apparently.


I'm glad Boehner said that. It's just unfortunate something like this had to happen before someone in the GOP leadership realized the heated rhetoric was a mistake.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:06AM

Funny, I don't think the tea party existed back then huh?

McVeigh had his own issues, and while he might have been in a militia, that is not the tea party. There are some militias that associate with the tea party, but they have their own reasons for that. Again, please show me an example of someone in the tea party, or otherwise that has happened after the tea party was formed who has committed an act of violence on par with the folks on the left who have gone extreme in the last 4 years.

Fail WTL.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:06AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > How many 'Tea Party' folks have put bombs in
> > crowded places to mass kill civilians again?
>
>
>
>
> Oh, and the T-Shirt McVeigh was wearing at the
> time had this written on it...
>
>
So apparently Thomas Jefferson - the author of the "Tree of Liberty" quote - must be a terrorist.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:07AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Oh, and the T-Shirt McVeigh was wearing at the
> > time had this written on it...
> >
> >
> So apparently Thomas Jefferson - the author of the
> "Tree of Liberty" quote - must be a terrorist.

Yeah, WTL is not big on much original thinking when it comes to politics. He is one leg short of Vince(1) in rhetoric, and seems to get most of his talking points from the same sources.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:09AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Funny, I don't think the tea party existed back
> then huh?
>

No. But it is obvious a certain faction of the Tea Party was inspired by his actions.

> McVeigh had his own issues, and while he might
> have been in a militia, that is not the tea party.

You mean, like the VDF?

> There are some militias that associate with the
> tea party, but they have their own reasons for
> that. Again, please show me an example of someone
> in the tea party, or otherwise that has happened
> after the tea party was formed who has committed
> an act of violence on par with the folks on the
> left who have gone extreme in the last 4 years.
>
> Fail WTL.

Nope. The narrative has been written. It's not my failure. It was the failure of the GOP to reign these people in and, instead, to try to exploit it. This is the Tea Party's "Jump the Shark" moment. It is an albatross around the neck of the GOP. That's why Boehner is trying to distance the party from it, but it's too late.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:11AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> >
> So apparently Thomas Jefferson - the author of the
> "Tree of Liberty" quote - must be a terrorist.


Context makes all the difference in the world. None of our elected officials are King George.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:12AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ahh...taking your talking points from Daily Kos
> I
> > see.
> >
> > You asked for a statement. You got a statement.
>
> >
> >
> > Can't please the liberal establishment,
> > apparently.
>
>
> I'm glad Boehner said that. It's just unfortunate
> something like this had to happen before someone
> in the GOP leadership realized the heated rhetoric
> was a mistake.

Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/
...That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,†Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.â€...

Did Obama ever apologize for this rhetoric?

Seriously WTL, you have nothing.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: WTL=watchthemlaugh ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:18AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > How many 'Tea Party' folks have put bombs in
> > crowded places to mass kill civilians again?
>
> Oh, and the T-Shirt McVeigh was wearing at the
> time had this written on it...

The Tea Party was around when McVeigh bombed the building? He is an example of the Tea Party? Sounds like you have access to information that oh fuck it why bother with sarcasm, you are an idiot.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:20AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > So apparently Thomas Jefferson - the author of
> the
> > "Tree of Liberty" quote - must be a terrorist.
>
>
> Context makes all the difference in the world.
> None of our elected officials are King George.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.......So its OK to write statements about some but not others.

Gotchya. We need a new office of approved recipients of potentially threatening statements.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:27AM

It's actually funny how conservatives love to talk shit about their little 'real american' revolution, second amendment solutions, etc., but as soon as some fuckhead decides to take up their cause for real, they scurry like rats. Do they really expect NOT to take this kind of criticism for all the fearmongering they're responsible for?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:30AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> It's actually funny how conservatives love to talk
> shit about their little 'real american'
> revolution, second amendment solutions, etc., but
> as soon as some fuckhead decides to take up their
> cause for real, they scurry like rats. Do they
> really expect NOT to take this kind of criticism
> for all the fearmongering they're responsible for?

It's actually funny how liberals do everything they can to avoid the fact they are full of shit in their fearmongering that the right wing will be responsible for all the violence - in particular when it is consistently left wingers/leaning folks pulling the trigger or flying their planes into IRS buildings.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:50AM

Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "DON'T RETREAT, RELOAD! DON'T TREAD ON ME! WATER THE TREE OF LIBERTY WITH THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS! THE PRESIDENT IS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!"

Some Nut-job: "FUCK YEAH!" *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*

Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "Uh, that's totally not what we meant."

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:54AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> It's actually funny how liberals do everything
> they can to avoid the fact they are full of shit
> in their fearmongering that the right wing will be
> responsible for all the violence - in particular
> when it is consistently left wingers/leaning folks
> pulling the trigger or flying their planes into
> IRS buildings.

So how's that hatesy, shootsie, crosshairsey thing workin for ya?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:57AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "DON'T
> RETREAT, RELOAD! DON'T TREAD ON ME! WATER THE
> TREE OF LIBERTY WITH THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS! THE
> PRESIDENT IS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!"
>
> Some Nut-job: "FUCK YEAH!" *bang* *bang* *bang*
> *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*
>
> Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "Uh, that's
> totally not what we meant."

Liberal Talking Heads: Those right wingers are just itching to kill someone or bomb us. They are the real threat. Those tea party folks are a bunch of racist nazis!

Some Nut-job: "FUCK YEAH!" *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*

Liberal Talking Heads: See, look at what their rhetoric did!

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:58AM

WTL=watchthemlaugh Wrote:
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>
> The Tea Party was around when McVeigh bombed the
> building? He is an example of the Tea Party?
> Sounds like you have access to information that oh
> fuck it why bother with sarcasm, you are an idiot.


No. The Tea Party members were, though.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 11:58AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > It's actually funny how liberals do everything
> > they can to avoid the fact they are full of
> shit
> > in their fearmongering that the right wing will
> be
> > responsible for all the violence - in
> particular
> > when it is consistently left wingers/leaning
> folks
> > pulling the trigger or flying their planes into
> > IRS buildings.
>
> So how's that hatesy, shootsie, crosshairsey thing
> workin for ya?

+1

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 11:59AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "DON'T
> RETREAT, RELOAD! DON'T TREAD ON ME! WATER THE
> TREE OF LIBERTY WITH THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS! THE
> PRESIDENT IS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!"
>
> Some Nut-job: "FUCK YEAH!" *bang* *bang* *bang*
> *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*
>
> Conservative Tea Party Talking Heads: "Uh, that's
> totally not what we meant."

I'm sure if it was some Muslim guy who published the crosshairs thing, all these stupid rednecks would be ready to declare World War III right now.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Date: January 10, 2011 12:02PM

As the Tea Party likes to point out itself, it does have Democrats in its ranks...

teap2.png

Just because someone was a "pot smoking lefty" four years ago doesn't mean he hasn't bought into Sarah Palin's bullshit. I mean, the guy was apparently a supporter of a white supremacist group that targeted illegal immigrants. Sounds pretty Tea Party to me.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: WTL is usually wrong ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:03PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Plowman in the Valley Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Logic fail. If he's not a member of the Tea
> Party,
> > then the Tea Party has nothing to apologize
> for,
> > unlike say radical Muslims who are, through and
> > though, Muslim. Listen, if it's shown that his
> > actions were condoned, his violent rhetoric
> > encouraged by the Tea Party, the entire
> Republican
> > establishment should apologize. Until then, the
> > Democrats should be somewhat cautious about
> > throwing stones. The simplest and most logical
> > hypothesis is that this guy was a schizo, not a
> > Tea Party terrorist.
>
> How many times have you heard GOP leaders
> criticize Muslims who have had nothing to do with
> Al Qaeda for not condemning the anti-West rhetoric
> of some of the Imams out there? This is no
> different. The GOP leadership is too chickenshit
> to criticize the violent rhetoric used within the
> Tea Party. Even worse some, like Palin, have
> adopted it.
>
> I'm not saying the Republican establishment should
> apologize. I'm saying they need to condemn those
> within their own ranks, and specifically the Tea
> Party, for using violent rhetoric against
> Democrats.


Tea Party members don't like republicans any more than democrats. It's anti-big government, both republican and democrat. That is why neither the republicans or democrats have a high approval rating. You're ignorance continues to astound.

You convince no one with your babbling rhetoric so you must just post so others can laugh at your blatant lazy brain dumps. OK, I'm laughing at you.....now what?

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:06PM

You all are so stupid with your delusional rhetoric it is funny. Get back to us when you have something factual to base any assumption on that this guy was anything but a nut. Factual - not the latest hearsay.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:12PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> delusional rhetoric

Yeah, I'm sure it was a total coincidence that Palin removed the Giffords/bullseye graphic from her website shortly after a bullet was fired through her skull. Not damage control, not a guilty conscience. Just a sheer coincidence.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:16PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Liberal Talking Heads: Those right wingers are
> just itching to kill someone or bomb us. They are
> the real threat. Those tea party folks are a bunch
> of racist nazis!
>
> Some Nut-job: "FUCK YEAH!" *bang* *bang* *bang*
> *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang*
>
> Liberal Talking Heads: See, look at what their
> rhetoric did!

Well, it appears that the Liberal Talking Heads weren't wrong.

Spin or deny it all you want; the conservative base in this country has embraced this whole "The Constituion is all that matters" and "What would the founding fathers do" viewpoint. Whether it's painting politicians who supported the health care bill as socialists hell-bent on destroying the country, or implying that the president is doing all he can to interfere with personal liberties, or mixing politics and religion, or blaming democrats for unemployment and budget problems... do you really think some people won't take this bullshit to heart as gospel?

Even if that's not the intent, it's fucking stupid, anyway. If people like Palin would shut their stupid bitch mouths for two seconds, this guy could have been written off as a lone, delusional nutjob acting on his own volition. Unfortunately, this guy shot an elected official who had a target painted on her by Sarah "Don't Retreat, Reload" Palin, which is politically retarded. They set themselves up to take the blame for this through all the bullshit they're spewing.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Meeper is a leper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:17PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > delusional rhetoric
>
> Yeah, I'm sure it was a total coincidence that
> Palin removed the Giffords/bullseye graphic from
> her website shortly after a bullet was fired
> through her skull. Not damage control, not a
> guilty conscience. Just a sheer coincidence.


Here is what Palin has on her website:

"On The Tragedy in Arizona"

My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.

On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.

- Sarah Palin

HORRIBLE!!! You're a buffoon. The Daily KOS had targets on DINO districts before the elections in November. Why don't you rant about that? Oh yeah, because you're a partisan hack and part of the problem. Typical lib.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper = confused mental patient ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:29PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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>
> I'm sure if it was some Muslim guy who published
> the crosshairs thing, all these stupid rednecks
> would be ready to declare World War III right now.


Speaking of which, why isn't Odumbo out there telling us to withhold judgment until we know the facts, you know, like he always does when a muslim attack occurs (Ft. Hood anyone)? The partisan hack in the white house trying to exploit a tragedy to shut up his opposition. Nothing lower.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:31PM

WTL is usually wrong Wrote:
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> Tea Party members don't like republicans any more
> than democrats. It's anti-big government, both
> republican and democrat. That is why neither the
> republicans or democrats have a high approval
> rating. You're ignorance continues to astound.
>
> You convince no one with your babbling rhetoric so
> you must just post so others can laugh at your
> blatant lazy brain dumps. OK, I'm laughing at
> you.....now what?




The Tea Party is not made of independent thinkers like you are portraying. Many of them are not satisfied with what has become of the Republican party, but they, the Tea Party, are still ultra right wing paleoconservatives. They are fundamentalists in their "nothing matters but the Constitution" thinking, and they are reactionaries on social issues.


People can portray the Tea Party as diverse all they want, these Tea Partiers are the same people that would have protested womens' right to vote in the eary 20th, and they are the same ones that would have been against civil rights legislation.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: sumguy ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:32PM

Either way we all lose. This idiot will stem some stupid debate within our government and we will lose some freedom. Some law will be pass to make us safer but we are not safe just a false sense of security.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: Has eesh ever had a date? ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:44PM

eesh Wrote:
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> WTL is usually wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tea Party members don't like republicans any
> more
> > than democrats. It's anti-big government, both
> > republican and democrat. That is why neither
> the
> > republicans or democrats have a high approval
> > rating. You're ignorance continues to astound.
> >
> > You convince no one with your babbling rhetoric
> so
> > you must just post so others can laugh at your
> > blatant lazy brain dumps. OK, I'm laughing at
> > you.....now what?
>
>
>
> The Tea Party is not made of independent thinkers
> like you are portraying. Many of them are not
> satisfied with what has become of the Republican
> party, but they, the Tea Party, are still ultra
> right wing paleoconservatives. They are
> fundamentalists in their "nothing matters but the
> Constitution" thinking, and they are reactionaries
> on social issues.
>
>
> People can portray the Tea Party as diverse all
> they want, these Tea Partiers are the same people
> that would have protested womens' right to vote in
> the eary 20th, and they are the same ones that
> would have been against civil rights legislation.


It is obvious that you have never attended a Tea Party rally and are buying the liberal talking points, so further discourse will not be productive.

Tea Party members don't care what the MSM says about them. Tea Party members don't care what left-wing sheeple like eesh, WTL and TheMeeper say about them. The Tea Party is here to stay. Get used to it. The numbers are against liberal theology in this country and the Tea Party makes you fools on the left have to face that. Scary for you indeed.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:48PM

TheMeeper = confused mental patient Wrote:
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>
> Speaking of which, why isn't Odumbo out there
> telling us to withhold judgment until we know the
> facts,

Withold judgement??? The dude shot TWENTY people, in broad-fucking-daylight!

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ShastaGreen ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:51PM

> Well, it appears that the Liberal Talking Heads
> weren't wrong.

Do you have some proof that this guy was a Tea Party nut and not just a run of the mill schizo? He's an atheist and list the Communist Manifesto as one of his favortie books. Hardly a toe the line TPer.

>
> Spin or deny it all you want; the conservative
> base in this country has embraced this whole "The
> Constituion is all that matters" and "What would
> the founding fathers do" viewpoint.

How is this logically associated with the attempted assisnation on Sat?

Whether it's
> painting politicians who supported the health care
> bill as socialists hell-bent on destroying the
> country, or implying that the president is doing
> all he can to interfere with personal liberties,
> or mixing politics and religion, or blaming
> democrats for unemployment and budget problems...
> do you really think some people won't take this
> bullshit to heart as gospel?

There's a big differnce in demonizing your enemy and being responsible for a killing. May I point out that both sides engage is such activity. Should I remind you of the violent language that Obama used on the campaign trail, or the Nazi-obssessed rhetoric of the anti-war left?

> Even if that's not the intent, it's fucking
> stupid, anyway.

I agree. It's stupid. Both sides should stop.

If people like Palin would shut
> their stupid bitch mouths for two seconds, this
> guy could have been written off as a lone,
> delusional nutjob acting on his own volition.

You're engaging in guilt by virtue of disagreement. It's logically unsound and (until proven) factually untrue.

> Unfortunately, this guy shot an elected official
> who had a target painted on her by Sarah "Don't
> Retreat, Reload" Palin, which is politically
> retarded. They set themselves up to take the
> blame for this through all the bullshit they're
> spewing.

Absurd. "Set themselves up to take the blame" is the same as saying "I don't agree with your rhetoric, so you're responsible." It's wrong and stupid and you're engaging in the same type of shit you deplore.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:52PM

Has eesh ever had a date? Wrote:
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> Tea Party members don't care what the MSM says
> about them.

Don't you mean "LAME STREAM MEDIA?"

> The numbers are against liberal
> theology in this country and the Tea Party makes
> you fools on the left have to face that. Scary
> for you indeed.

Eh. The Tea Party isn't the only group with guns in the country. The sooner you guys kick-start the civil war, the sooner we can get back to the shit that matters.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: repeeMehT ()
Date: January 10, 2011 12:57PM

HEY LIBERAL ASSWIPES,
THE SHOOTER HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH DEMOCRATS THAN CONSERVATIVES.


'TheMeeper' wrote :
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> Yeah, I'm sure it was a total coincidence that Palin removed
> the Giffords/bullseye graphic from her website shortly after
> a bullet was fired through her skull.

NO IT IS NOT.
IT WAS IN REPONSE TO THE SITUATION.
AS IN :
SHE OBVIOUSLY REALIZED HOW INSANE LIBERALS AND ANTICIPATED YOUR MOVE.
HOW SMART DOES THAT MAKE YOU LOOK, DUMBASS MEEPER?
INFACT, IT IS COMMON FOR THEM TO READ INBETWEEN THE LINES AND
LOOK FOR CONSPIRITATIVE MEANING TO EVERYTHING.
(EX. racist code words)

> "Not damage control"

WELL YOU ARE TAKING THE BAIT, AND TRYING TO USE IT AS DAMAGING EVIDENCE THAT SARAH PALIN SOMEHOW SUBLIMINALLY MOTIVATED THE SHOOTER.
BECAUSE YOUR A DUMBASS.

>, "not a guilty conscience."

NOT AT ALL.
BUT AFTER THIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE A GUILTY CONCIENCE FOR BEING A SIMPLE MINDED DUMBASS.

> "Just a sheer coincidence."

IT IS NO COINCIDENCE YOU ARE A DUMBASS, *AND* A DEMOCRAT !

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:00PM

ShastaGreen Wrote:
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> It's wrong and
> stupid and you're engaging in the same type of
> shit you deplore.

I'm not claiming to know what this guy's political affiliation was. Nor am I claiming he was a member of the Tea Party.

What I'm saying is, there's a group of American citizens who, intentionally or not, are encouraging violence against politicians they disagree with. The very public face of this group of American citizens literally put a target on this congresswoman. Whack jobs like the shooter tend to pick and choose what they believe based on what fits into their own narrative. This isn't like someone thinking "Catcher in the Rye" says they should kill the president; these are people saying that guns are necessary to make the country better, and all people like the shooter need is a target.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:01PM

Maybe I'm the only who thinks the dude just wasn't that sophisticated. I think he shot her because she was his congressperson, not because of whatever political party she was with. She is a self-termed former Republican, blue dog Democrat who appeared with firearms herself. If someone wanted to target a liberal politician then she wouldn't be interesting to someone looking to do that.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:02PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> The very public face of this group
> of American citizens literally put a target on
> this congresswoman.

But DailyKos actually did that too because they thought she was too conservative, and a progressive should have tried to unseat her. Very few are calling out DailyKos though for using words like "target" and "fight" and "attack".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 01:05PM by justsayin.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: just the facts ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:03PM

Here is the whole problem with the argument that the Tea Prty movement influenced his actions - it simply isn't true. Now, I know Voter_____, TheMeeper, WTL, etc. want to blame the tea party everytime there is an act of violence, but so far they are batting a big fat .000. It appears to be the case here as well as the shooter was a liberal - just like Voter_____, TheMeeper, WTL.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php


"A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon."

"She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."'

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:05PM



Way to go DailyKos...

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Date: January 10, 2011 01:07PM


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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:09PM

Yes DailyKos, mission accomplished on your bullseye. I'm starting to think this was a sickening demokrat plot to hurt the new wave of conservatism in America. This guy was a left-wing radical who obeyed the DailyKos and shot his not-liberal-enough representative while dailyKos and others use the event to attack Palin.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:14PM

I could care less if the guy is a liberal, democrat, Whig, Nazi, etc. That has nothing to do with the fact that Sarah Palin and other nationally-known political and media figures routinely use violent, anti-US government rhetoric that promotes the kind of actions we saw on Saturday. I think it's good to point the finger at them now rather than later when it is too late.

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Re: AZ Congresswoman Shot & Killed!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: January 10, 2011 01:16PM

As opposed to Daily Kos who repeatedly target congressmen and congresswomen - including Giffords?

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