Emglisj is my 4th lamguage

Guess lately somevtempers have flared at the games.
True story

Saved by snow. No game. No drama

The girls seem to be more relaxed playing for the male coach. He seems to know more of what he is doing. Hmmm it looks as if the school made a bad choice hiring an inexperienced coach.

No kidding still drama
What have many people being saying for over a year and 11 pages and 1000 postings later. Only More Complete and Mark Martino don't get it.

Too bad she left so much carnage in her path.

Sad that the new guy was there why bring in another coach asst not good enuf

Lol last year captain obvious Wrote:
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> No kidding still complaining and talking to yourself.
> What a few spoiled brats have been saying over and
> over because of sour grapes and hurt feelings is really
> petty. Only I can't stop complaining about it.
>
> Too bad I never learned how to deal with things in
> life instead of bellyaching on the internet.


Fixed it for you.

I admit to coming here every few weeks to tune in to soap opera of LB basketball. Can't stop myself. It is more complete who needs help. Program messed up. Not same people you moron. Do you live under a rock

I do live under a rock! How did you know? I wonder if a therapist could visit me here. It would be kind of hard and I'm not sure if there is enough room. Oh well.

Is it true that an adult leader connected to LB gave the TC girls the finger at end of game last night when LB lost? WOW, if true bad sportsmanship. Such bs

Who won the Patriot District coach of the year?

A local athletic director has been hiring illegal coaches and then murdering them at the end of the season to avoid paying them. He was burying them behind the Kings Park Giant before the pressure got to him and he decided to coach soccer at an all girls academy.

I had heard this too, that the finger was shot at TC Williams after the loss... by comparison I just read an article about another local program and coach. To her, teaching character matters ! The coach from Edison:

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20130214/SPORTS/130219543/-1/lewis-makes-impact-on-players&template=fairfaxTimes

The character of the idividual, the professionalism exhibited to the girls as well as how one behaves on the court DOES matter ! At the high school level it is definitely not just wins and losses!

These coaches still have jobs? That is crazy!

Nat was coach of year. Everyone has been talking about character for more than a year. AD does not care. The finger incident one more example. But now we know apple does not fall far from tree. There are photos of this. It won't matter. Ad a spin doctor. Just like with the consumption of drinks mentioned early on there is always am excuse. Always reason. Putting senior in for 20 seconds at end classless

I heard the finger was stuck where the sun dont shine and it smelled really bad so it must be true.

I heard that too. Smelly fingers make bad coaches worse. Watch, the AD won't do anything.

If only the ad understood that complaining to yourself on the internet fixes everything then there would be no more smelly fingers in the school.

I don't want my kids playing with coaches who have smelly fingers. Something must be done.

Even if she won coach of the year, she should be fired for the finger incident, (and also because I/mykid didn't get to play) and also I don't like her and I heard that the finger smelled really bad.

Meaningless jibber wish. Everyone knows it is bs. Jv coach already quit. He won

I heard he quit because of a bad case of the jibbers. Everyone knows it really because of the interwebs complaints about wishes.

Yes, I heard about the jibber wishes, it's true.

Apples doesn't fall off the tree without smelly fingers and jibbers! I bet the AD will just ignore our internet complaints like always.

There are already 3 people who have smelled the finger and even more who know about the jibber wishes. When will something be done?

It is actually not funny at all. Puts school in bad light. Never ever ever changing. AD knows, has known, and is spin master. It started with the party that did happen. Now we have parents being escorted out and adults giving teen girls finger if what posted here is true. Does anyone else -- seriously people -- see how sad this is.
Perhaps we need prayer chain nit a blog

This thread is as entertaining as ever.


Never ever ever Wrote:
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> Never ever ever changing.

You mean your hundreds of anonymous posts in this thread hasn’t accomplished anything? Why would anyone make fun of that?

MoRe complete. Do you condone adult school reps giving finger to teen girls. There are photos

No comeback

Mc dumb Wrote:
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> There are photos

Let's see them. Otherwise, it didn't happen and is yet another baseless accusation in a seemingly endless battle to tarnish the program because of sour grapes. Have fun with that.

Damaged Wrote:
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> A local athletic director has been hiring illegal
> coaches and then murdering them at the end of the
> season to avoid paying them. He was burying them
> behind the Kings Park Giant before the pressure
> got to him and he decided to coach soccer at an
> all girls academy.

Do you condone this? There are pictures!

No comeback!

Why post embarrassing photos like that here. Many people saw it. Just stupid adult behavior. Seriously no basis to create more embarrassment

Omg. I just saw the guy giving girls the finger photo. How embarrassing.

Shameful.

It has gone viral.

...but FFXU is the definition of viral...so if it's not posted her...it's not viral.

If I knew how I would.

Missing the perspective of more complete

Not gonna post Wrote:
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> Why post embarrassing photos like that here.

Hello? The whole point of this thread is to complain and trash the powers that be over hard feelings. That is why it was created and that is what 90% of the posts have been about. Why stop now? It would support the theme of the thread and argument.

Pics or it didn't happen.

I'll add that it looks like the team is doing pretty good despite the sour grapes.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2013/feb/06/lake-braddocks-butler-too-much-tc/

Finger photo Wrote:
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> It has gone viral.

If this is true it should be easy to find and post so what's the hold up?

It's on twitter

It is everywhere
Go look

More complete re article you posted. That is not head coach. She has been on leave. That is JV coach who filled in most of season and won lots games. It is a man. Btw he already quit for next year

Coach talked about on here a woman. She lost the game where photo taken with finger

Here you go. Head coaches dad at table
Attachments:

That is horrible that someone would do that to kids. I'm in shock!

Sub coach Wrote:
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> More complete re article you posted. That is not
> head coach. She has been on leave. That is JV
> coach who filled in most of season and won lots
> games. It is a man. Btw he already quit for next
> year
>
> Coach talked about on here a woman. She lost the
> game where photo taken with finger

I can read, but thanks for the recap!

So let me get this straight, the person giving the finger isn't even on the LB staff? Well then the coach should be fired! Makes perfect sense! Guess when you dislike a coach that much you'll look for any little reason you can find. Too bad complaining on the internet says more about you than it does about her.

Thanks for posting the picture. The guy in it has little class.

It's her dad and he is always helping the team if I'm correct.

This is an embarassment to the entire Lake Braddock athletic program. Principal Dave Thomas and DSA Mark Martino, please act accordingly and forthwithly to discipline those involved.

It's awful what happened and those girls beat LB fair and square and did nothing wrong. The whole coaching staff should be fired.

What a redneck, knuckle-dragging, cro-magnon, despicable, puny thug of a man. What a demonstration behind a nice bunch of hard playing, dedicated, talented girls who gave their all to achieve their goal.

This man is the face of Fairfax County sports parents/fathers/mothers gone wild and out of control.

Who is this man? What is his problem?

The coach is responsible for his or her team, staff, and -- without a doubt -- family. If the father is an azz, then the azz and the whole-azz family must go. Martino....this is your legacy...your creation...are you happy now????????

It's the coaches dad! The coaching staff should be fired! They will sweep it under the rug the same as the drinking, rage episodes, etc... Welcome to the hell in Lake Braddock. Maybe now everyone sees what it was like for the kids and parents dealing with that team. The apple never falls far from the tree.

That LB coach won coach of the year can you believe that? She should tell them she does not deserve it!!!! She won't when you have no morals and apparently either does her family. This family should be no where near kids coaching. SICK wake up fcps and do the right thing.

Big time Wrote:
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> The whole coaching staff should be fired.

It's dad Wrote:
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> It's the coaches dad! The coaching staff should be
> fired!

While I know that this is your agenda, please understand how ridiculous you sound.

The person who flipped the bird should be disciplined or removed from their position (even if only volunteer) but fire the whole coaching staff? Anyone can see how extremely biased you are.

Let me clue you in since you seem to be painfully unaware… Just because you (or your daughter) didn’t get to play, or didn’t have as much fun as you wanted to, doesn’t mean the coach is some terrible person who should lose her job. I know that's what you want, but the desire to see her fired is based on your feelings of unfairness or being hurt, and not in reality. The sooner you understand this the better off you will be.

And coach of the year Wrote:
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> That LB coach won coach of the year can you
> believe that?

Yes, I can. It’s called “reality”. It is you who is blinded by some sort of vendetta due to feelings that you were wronged by this lady and are now living in your own little world where she can do nothing right.

Perhaps this will help you see how ridiculously petty and one sided your point of view is…

Everyone else = Coach of the year!
You = Fire her yesterday!

Does that help? Don’t worry, I’m not holding my breath that you'll get it.

Granted the Coach should not be fired for the actions of her father as that is a bit extreme but this does show the apple does not fall far from the tree, as stated previously. Ms. Janis has been out a good chunk of the season on maternity leave but one can imagine with all the wins this year the powers that be took notice and she was nominated. They only can see the wins and losses and with a player going to Georgetown it looks good for everyone at Lake Braddock. Surely one would hope those voting her in for Coach of the year are not aware of how she talks to the girls in the huddle just last week ..as one of the players related to my daughter..."You guys are Fuck**g embarassing me !!" She is like Bobby Knight and these daughters did not sign up for the verbal abuse. More Complete likes to play devils advocate cause as he himself states he does not know the inner workings of that school, the coach, the girls or the athletic director. The girls have never played like a cohesive team as the game plan is entirely as follows.."Get the ball to Natalie!". Of course this has worked somewhat because there is noone near her size anywhere out there in the Patriot league. Even if she is triple teamed the coach gets upset if someone else who is clearly wide open with a shot, shoots and misses.
It is an embarassment to the school itself and the community to have pictures circulated of the head coaches father flipping the bird to innocent girls who merely played AS A TEAM and beat your daughters team! but nothing is ever done; character and respect mean nothing and that is a sad statement of our times. Anyone who defends these actions should do some self-reflection.

Is his tongue out to?

Reality Wrote:
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> Granted the Coach should not be fired for the
> actions of her father as that is a bit extreme but
> this does show the apple does not fall far from
> the tree, as stated previously.


No, it really doesn’t. Has she been flicking students off recently? Had not heard that. It does show her father to be pretty classless. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that she is as well.


> More Complete likes to play devils
> advocate cause as he himself states he does not
> know the inner workings of that school, the coach,
> the girls or the athletic director.


Indeed I do like to play devil's advocate. What I DO know is that a simple glance at the first page of this thread shows the true motivation behind the endless posts trashing the coach.

It isn't FOR the team. It isn’t FOR the girls. It isn’t FOR the school.

It is simply because someone got sat down on the bench and their got feelings hurt.

Examples (names have been changed to protect the guilty)…




I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> I agree i also have noticed that there best
> talent is on the bench why?


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> Best and most experienced players on bench again.


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> Why were the talented playwrs on
> the bench?


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> If what the person said about
> talented upperclassman being benched last year and
> perhaps to some extent this year is true, then
> that is where problems started.


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> Freshman who have little higher level
> experience should not be given all that game time
> at expense of seasoned players. Speed is not the
> end all be all.


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> Two of the best shooters get
> no time in game.


I Change Names and Want Coach fired Wrote:
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> Maybe if the coach would
> wake up and give these other girls time in game
> the team could win.



> It is an embarassment to the school itself
> and the community to have pictures circulated of
> the head coaches father flipping the bird to
> innocent girls


Agreed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2013 04:33PM by More Complete.

More complete, you are something else.

Truly you are.

My kid does not play.

I find the photo embarrassing and can't see why you don't. This man is tightly connected to a program filled with problems. Just say what thus man does was bad. Seriously, admit it.

Bad sport. Bad role model

Lack of character.

Admit that.

Character counts Wrote:
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> More complete, you are something else.

Thanks!

> Truly you are.

Double thanks!

> My kid does not play.

I don’t know who YOU are, because you post anonymously and refuse to register. Remember? YOU could be anyone. If you are saying that you are the one who started the thread, well then, that’s another thing.

> I find the photo embarrassing and can't see why
> you don't. This man is tightly connected to a
> program filled with problems. Just say what thus
> man does was bad. Seriously, admit it.
>
> Bad sport. Bad role model
>
> Lack of character.
>
> Admit that.

Ummm, I did. Apparently you missed where I called him classless and agreed that it was an embarrassment. Look above your post. Are you blind?

None of this changes the fact that this whole thread was started with an agenda over hard feelings about being benched now does it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2013 05:12PM by More Complete.

Not true

Started about character
Still about character.

Wrong again MC Wrote:
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> Not true
>
> Started about character
> Still about character.

Since you’re admitting to starting the thread, you would know. This is a person you feel was “unfair” and you decided that defamation of her character via the internet would be a wise decision. Way to go!

Perhaps you should have spoken to her like an adult instead of hiding behind a keyboard typing nasty things about her…. but that would take, you know, “good character”.

Or, you could realize that life, and more specifically sports, by their very nature, are not “fair” and sucked it up, it would have been “character building”.

But you chose to air your grievances on FFU instead. I’m hoping you will someday understand why that wasn’t the smartest move and spare the next person who draws your ire.

Again, not holding my breath. :)

I did not start this thread
I sysoect I know who did and why.
My kid does not play on the team.
And if you knew me at all you would know I never hide. I speak my mind to people. And have spoken my mind to people about this. Not many people have.
I just think this is entertaining but sad as well.

I believe all children in our schools deserve good role models. And I think photo is a bad role model. And I know firsthand that much of this is true. Not all of it of course. But much is true. I will never convince you. You are on sidelines in a world where you can reason with unreasonable people. I live in the real world where roadblocks are common and cannot be overcome sometimes.

You live in some dreamland where trying to do right thing always results in change. I am glad for you. Enjoy that happy place. I hope she stays. There will be more stories and more drama.

Maybe you will learn something.

Hello sportsfans! I am an out of town follower of @FullCourtWBB on Twitter. I used to live in the Burke area and I am familiar with the tendency of the AD at Lake Braddock stocking the GBB coaching position with his Vogues buddies for many years. So I DO remember that. I contacted a local sports fan friend after seeing this picture come across my feed, who told me to get some insight from this FU site. I get the drift but don’t have time to read this all! I see much is the same across the board there but it is important and palpable that Lake Braddock is being represented in a very negative light. The twitter boards are still lighting up today : for example:

bit.ly/YE8ida Father of Lake Braddock HS Head Coach flips the bird in photo behind winning team @FullCourtWBBall @DMVBBallScoop

@hoopfeed @SwishAppeal http://bit.ly/YE8ida Father of Lake Braddock HS Head Coach flips the bird in photo behind winning team

These tweets to tens of thousands of followers have the bitmap picture hyper-linked in the tweet. These tweets going out and re-tweeted to 17,000 followers on @FullCourtWBBall (THE leading journalistic website providing up to the minute coverage of WNBA, NCAA and Prep women's basketball. They are followed by all the colleges and scouting services //they re-tweeted this representing Lake Braddock !)
.. @Hoopfeed has 10,000+ followers , @DMV Elite: 1,500 followers, @LBoogie213: 1,100 local basketball followers and ESPN writers, @DMVBasketball another 800 followers, @SwishAppeal has another 1,700 followers: SB Nation's college & pro women's basketball site. Then there are all the responses and re-tweets from numerous followers of these accounts…too numerous to document for you… but I guess it is just the whiny parents who find this behavior despicable huh??? The damage has been done and will presumably continue.....only now on a national forum.

Reality Wrote:
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> Granted the Coach should not be fired for the
> actions of her father as that is a bit extreme but
> this does show the apple does not fall far from
> the tree, as stated previously.


No, it really doesn’t. Has she been flicking students off recently? Had not heard that. It does show her father to be pretty classless. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that she is as well.

/////////////////////////////////////

Not sure what barn you were raised in More Complete but my mom taught me that cursing at people..in this case her players, is just as bad if not worse as her father flicking the bird. Ergo the apple not falling far from the tree analogy does indeed apply. That same posting noted that she told her girls in the huddle "You guys are Fuc**ng embarassing me!" It has been potty mouth and even a bottle thrown across the court all yearlong. The many girls that quit the past couple of years have concurred this as fact and I am sure that once Butler, Strawderman and Hunter(the current seniors) leave they will corroborate this fact as well. Well, maybe not Nat as the "Get the Ball only to Nat" system served her well :) Congrats to Nat as she is a lovely girl.

That said, and cursing aside, her comment was in regards to 'embarrasing "ME" ' ?? Really? I asked my daughter to confirm from her player on the team friend and I asked that girls mom to confirm this statement because this in and of itself is so all incompassingly pompous that it blew my mind. SHE is not playing! She did not even coach much of the season...they are F-ing embarassing HER? I can see coaches will let out a curse word in moments of high frustration of the heat of the moment...occasionally. One would think a seasoned respectable coach might be saying something motivational and coach-like such as, "You guys are better than this, you need to step it up" or even "Stop embarassing yourselves out there". But "Stop Fuc**ng embarassing ME!". That is just classless inexperience.
"Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully."

One day, I can see the apple pulling something like this http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-02-19/mike-montgomery-allen-crabbe-shove-apology-cal?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D272346 And the tree, her dad, will likely shake his leaves and applaud her.

This is the tip of the glacier. Not even iceberg. The culmination of three years of bad behavior

This pales by comparison to what she did to many of the girls who left. Some lifelong players of the sport who did not deserve to be benched because their parents spoke out against drinking, cursing, throwing things. Yes More Complete, that was why they were benched. Not because they did not deserve to play or have skills. So there goes your lame brain theory no one spoke up, More Complete. They tried and their kids were PUNISHED.

This is a national story

Maybe it will be told.

Really? A national story though? lol
We already know the girls tried to talk to the coach and she told them this was her program and to deal with her decisions or leave. We know they then left after she did not want to listen to them. We know some parents tried to talk/complain to her and their kids were basically benched till she went on maternity leave. One can live in a totalitarian situation and enjoy the control or they can exercise their right to leave. Yes it sucks. With all the phone calls to Fairfax County public schools, letters to the AD and principal and discussions with the sports governing body, nothing was or will be done. An inquiry was done which consisted of the good ol boy calling the Lake Braddock AD good ol boys, lies were told to cover up and it boils down to a He said, She said. It is what it is and it is a lesson in life that sometimes it is just not fair.
Accept it...
I am just a single mom who used to play basketball. My daughter does not play but I truly think I could have coached that team with that game plan of GTBTN (get the ball to Natalie) She was beast with noone in that league to go up against her. They would double and triple team her and they looked like pesky insects jumping around in the trenches.

If only the "blogger" in charge of this "blog" would publicly identify the IP addresses of all fellow "bloggers", methinks we'd see 90% of the "blogs" coming from one IP address. And the rest from More Complete and a few others.

Keep it up - at least the West Springfield stories get buried while one person worries about girls basketball!

check the ip addresses Wrote:
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> If only the "blogger" in charge of this "blog"
> would publicly identify the IP addresses of all
> fellow "bloggers", methinks we'd see 90% of the
> "blogs" coming from one IP address. And the rest
> from More Complete and a few others.
>
> Keep it up - at least the West Springfield stories
> get buried while one person worries about girls
> basketball!

This. Helen Keller can spot the writing styles of the -- at most -- 1 or 2 folks with the coach-attacking posts, over, and over, and over, again.

Does not change photo
Speaks for itself
Whiny parents and 20,000 tweeters

2/13 vs. T.C. Williams 55-63 (L)
2/18 @ Mount Vernon 50-68 (L)

CONGRATS to Natalie Butler on her 1,000 points mark this year and on being MVP of the Patriot league. Congratulations to the three ladies graduating and last but not least just a simple thanks for all the time and energy..... best record in many years with a 12-4 in the conference so lets not add negativity to the pot in reference to this post.

Best of luck to you all next year!

Time and energy the girls put in not the coach. Especially the mental trauma they have all had.

A paramount of embarrassment for two years. Enough said. Nobody, no one, no father and daughter should be bigger than the school's integrity. But as long as you are training certain people's daughters, your job is safe.

The father of that child trained her not the coach.

Jimmy Nasimtih Wrote:
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But as long as you are training
> certain people's daughters, your job is safe.

I believe that Jimmy Nasimtih was referring to Ms Janis being the previous coach of the Athletic Director Martino's daughters when she did her little coaching gig with the Vogues. I dont think he was referencing this coach training Nat as this has all been covered in the Washington Post articles how her father has pushed and trained her the past few years.

I also believe the CONGRATS LADIES post was to the ladies of the basketball team thanking them for their time and energy and did not address the coach

It also did not escape me that a post was recently posted from an out of towner giving examples of twitter followings entailing over 30,000 followers that included that TCW pic and a negative shadow being cast over Lake Braddock referencing how this cro-magnum 'fliping the bird' just represented DMV basketball. Does anyone not think this is sad for basketball in this area as well as in Burke? I am not really sure how all that twitter stuff works but I did go to twitter and look up a couple of the larger of the names posted and see all the college coaches who follow them! I see where the @Hoopfeed with 10,000 followers posted and responded about that pic. (1:00am cause I was trying to figure it all out and confirm that)

I've never been on this site, but heard of the trash that it contains. I feel pathetic even commenting, but I want to say this to any parents/fans that have spent obviously many hours on this thread.

1. You are spending so much time and energy on this site. You are quick to criticize the coaches father, yet the time you are spending on here is time away from your child. Think about it.

2. LB GBB had to be rebuilt. That's no secret. I've followed and been a part of Patriot District Basketball since the early 90's. Sometimes a program needs a hard nose coach that is not popular among the fans/parents to get the program back on track. That takes several years, not one season. I applaud her for doing what SHE wants to do for HER program.

3. I have seen this team play and I must say that there is a huge lack of basketball talent. Not saying that any of the girls are "terrible," but compared to other teams in the district, they did a hell of a job this season with what they had.

4. Coach of the Year was given to her because she clearly earned the respect of other coaches in the district. And for the person that made the comment that they don't know what goes on in the huddles and so forth...you are sadly mistaken. Other coaches all lean on one another because they all fight the same battle: parents that try and run the program. Parents that hate the coach because their daughter doesn't get the chance that the PARENT thinks they deserve. How about teaching your daughters to still fight, have a good attitude regardless of how many minutes they get in a game. That's REAL LIFE!! You continue to work hard no matter what. That's a lesson that you should be preaching to your child. Your negative energy is not helping the program.

5. Congrats to LB Varsity Basketball this year for surprising many people. Most importantly, much respect to the head coach for battling this season while being VERY pregnant. That's pure dedication. I can't imagine being 8/9 months pregnant, working long days/nights and dealing with parents that try and live their dreams through their kids.

Wait until next year! It was rebuilt for what this season only? I disagree and i do not think everyone on here has been parents.

Rebuilt? Wrote:
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> Wait until next year! It was rebuilt for what this
> season only? I disagree and i do not think
> everyone on here has been parents.

OK, 95% were grumpy parents, and probably the same 2 or 3. Not hard to tell. So, they won quite a few games this year, and the coach was named Coach of the Year. Must rock the world of the whiners. So, if they lose next year, does that validate the collective mewling of the helicopter crowd?

I never said it was rebuilt yet. It could take another decade if there is no support from the parents. Parents bringing negative energy is what can keep a program from being even more successful. What your children hear from you at home and in the stands does nothing but conflict them. Support them whether they play 1 or 32 minutes a game and allow the coach to do the coaching. If you continue not to like it, I suggest you put your name in the bucket next time the job is open and we'll see what you can do!

It will be interesting to see Kaitlin and Marsha TRY and carry this team next year while the one point guard who never goes left and the other one who turns over the bal at LEAST ten times a game. This should be fun. I also happen to know for a FACt that two of the parents on here discussing character and this coach have girls that are two of the top six playing time girls on the team. you have no idea what kind of verbal abuse these girls are subjected to. The team gelled when the asst coach John was coaching. He cared and coached them and spoke to them with respect. She came back and all the girls fight among eachother. You just don't know, this is not about playing time for most.

JustTheFactsMam Wrote:
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> It will be interesting to see Kaitlin and Marsha
> TRY and carry this team next year while the one
> point guard who never goes left and the other one
> who turns over the bal at LEAST ten times a game.
> This should be fun. I also happen to know for a
> FACt that two of the parents on here discussing
> character and this coach have girls that are two
> of the top six playing time girls on the team. you
> have no idea what kind of verbal abuse these girls
> are subjected to. The team gelled when the asst
> coach John was coaching. He cared and coached them
> and spoke to them with respect. She came back and
> all the girls fight among eachother. You just
> don't know, this is not about playing time for
> most.

Golly, haven't we been told that it's NOT just parents whining on this board? Guess not . . .

I have no daughters, and I have not posted to this thread yet. However, I did watch LB girls varsity, JV and freshman ball this year. I would argue with "sad" or anyone else because this entire program is in pathetic shape.

It is one thing to say there is "no talent"; it is another to recognize that there is no coaching happening AT ALL with the talent available. (Never mind the fact that talent has been supposedly driven away by the coach.) Basics at all levels aren't happening...girls don't box out on rebounds, they have no idea how to play good team defense, and at the JV and freshman levels they aren't even running plays. The idea of an offense is to run down and whoever didn't turn the ball over gets to jack up a 20 foot shot where if it hits the rim and isn't an air ball it is a successful trip down the court.

Anyone who knows what is happening would also know that the varsity coach didn't even use Natalie appropriately. You have the region's best player, and a good coach would have taken full advantage of that and run a low post offense through Natalie instead of making her create everything for herself. It came home to roost in the District tournament, and by losing to TC they ended up facing MV and got crushed.

With what I've seen, the next few years are going to be brutal. With Natalie gone, the "band aid" of poor coaching is gone as well. They'll be lucky to win 5 games next year.

I could do a better job at cussing out the kids, flicking off the other teams hell even getting wasted in front of kids. If you people have not had to endure the abuse that goes on then stop talking already!

Finally the voice of reason! It's hard to watch these girls get destroyed. Those girls worked their butts off all season with barely any training. The coach focused on Natalie only and she has no clue how to teach them how to shoot actually she never worked on that. The very few who did box out were taught by AAU coaches not her. They were at times lost with what they were supposed to do because it was only get the ball to Natalie. There are other players who were looked at by colleges and the coach dismissed that. I feel bad for these hard working kids who have done nothing wrong and these girls who wanted to quit at times stuck it out and fought to get better. It's hard staying with a coach who does not believe in her players but one. The passion is gone in these girls! Look in their eyes the fun has been stripped from them. I know that not one parent on the team complained this year they were too afraid too! If a parent was to speak up their child is punished.

I would pay money to see IP addresses on the last three posts.

I would pay money Wrote:
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> I would pay money to see IP addresses on the last
> three posts.


Better have deep pockets to buy out the site then. Quit your whining about the whiny parents because this is serious business when a picture of this nature goes viral.
I am a TC Williams parent and what this man did is despicable to our girls. Our whole school is talking about the poor sportsmanship of Lake Braddock and their coaches dad. Our kids are aware their picture has been posted on this site and floated all over twitter as well. We will see what action is actually taken by your school in addition to his note of apology. Our athletic director and head coach have been getting eMails from many college coaches a well as local school coaches about this picture. For anyone not to be disgusted by this is just sad.

sad Wrote:
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> I never said it was rebuilt yet. It could take
> another decade if there is no support from the
> parents. Parents bringing negative energy is what
> can keep a program from being even more
> successful. What your children hear from you at
> home and in the stands does nothing but conflict
> them. Support them whether they play 1 or 32
> minutes a game and allow the coach to do the
> coaching. If you continue not to like it, I
> suggest you put your name in the bucket next time
> the job is open and we'll see what you can do!

LOL good one
And i would do that but oh wait// I have coaching experience and it was not with the Vogues so my lengthy resume would be trashed

TCWmom Wrote:
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> I would pay money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would pay money to see IP addresses on the
> last
> > three posts.
>
>
> Better have deep pockets to buy out the site then.
> Quit your whining about the whiny parents because
> this is serious business when a picture of this
> nature goes viral.
> I am a TC Williams parent and what this man
> did is despicable to our girls. Our whole school
> is talking about the poor sportsmanship of Lake
> Braddock and their coaches dad. Our kids are aware
> their picture has been posted on this site and
> floated all over twitter as well. We will see what
> action is actually taken by your school in
> addition to his note of apology. Our athletic
> director and head coach have been getting eMails
> from many college coaches a well as local school
> coaches about this picture. For anyone not to be
> disgusted by this is just sad.

I'm sorry; who's defended the dad? He's a jerk. Are you suggesting that the coach should be punished because her dad's a jerk?

I am so embarrassed as a LB parent by this picture! These girls have friends on the Tc team and as a parent i am so sorry your girls have to deal with this! My daughter is horrified and upset! Imagine though what are girls have endured by this coach! No child should ever have to do this!please accept our apologies as one parent to another.

The coach should be fired for the way these kids have been treated!

Sacrificed Wrote:
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> So there goes your lame brain theory no one spoke up,
> More Complete. They tried and their kids were
> PUNISHED.


The only “speaking up” has been by anonymous cowards with an internet connection. I’ve read every post on this thread. Not once has anyone mentioned speaking to the coach. Not one time. I challenge you to show otherwise. In fact, it was stated repeatedly that people were too scared to say anything and that it wouldn’t do any good anyway. Hence the anonymous repetitive whining.


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This is a national story


Lol. It’s not even a local story. Show me one article. One. The only articles you will find is that the team is doing well and the coach got coach of the year. Must be a conspiracy! Try again.


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> If only the "blogger" in charge of this "blog"
> would publicly identify the IP addresses of all
> fellow "bloggers", methinks we'd see 90% of the
> "blogs" coming from one IP address. And the rest
> from More Complete and a few others.


Exactly. Glad someone gets it.


For The Love of Dr. Naismith Wrote:
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> OK, 95% were grumpy parents, and probably the same
> 2 or 3. Not hard to tell.


100% correct.


I would pay money Wrote:
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> I would pay money to see IP addresses on the last
> three posts.


No need. Same person.

Uh, wrong more complete. I have two boys...one who has graduated from LB and one who is there now. Big shot with all the money...how much for my name? I have nothing to hide. Put your names out there.

You can tell from people's writing styles they are different...I can spell and put coherent thoughts together for one.

No Dog in Fight Wrote:
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> Uh, wrong more complete. I have two boys...one
> who has graduated from LB and one who is there
> now. Big shot with all the money...how much for
> my name? I have nothing to hide. Put your names
> out there.
>
> You can tell from people's writing styles they are
> different...I can spell and put coherent thoughts
> together for one.


Ah, the old "Tell Us Your Name!" internet game. It's usually pretty productive. Let me help -- if people WANTED to use their real names, they probably WOULD have used their real names in the first place.

And writing style is right -- it's pretty easy to tell that the VAST, VAST, majority of the coach-rippin' posts have been from one person.

But I don't get one thing -- are people really saying that the coach should be disciplined because her dad flipped the bird in that photo? Why?

No Dog in Fight Wrote:
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> I have nothing to hide.


And yet you refuse to register. Brilliant!


No Dog in Fight Wrote:
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> Put your names out there.


I already have. My name is More Complete and it's tied to every single one of my posts. You on the other hand, refuse to register so you can continue this ridiculous façade. That you have the nerve to pretend there are more than one or two people who want the coach fired is hilarious. You are a terrible phony and insult everyone’s intelligence by presuming we are gullible enough to fall for your immature ploy.

To me the flipping off incident is a classless and peripheral act. I don't care about playing time, who has been hurt, etc.

From my view, the coach needs to go because she is flat out a bad coach and is incapable of leading a strong women's basketball program at LB. If any objective person who knows the game of basketball watches all levels at LB--from varsity through freshman--it is horrible to watch. There is a basic lack of fundamentals, and it is easy to decipher that there is a lack of any coaching, never mind bad coaching.

Also, contrary to what others have said, I believe that Nat Butler was handled poorly. Most are saying the whole season was "feed the ball to Nat" and I'm saying that Nat wasn't utilized properly at all and the offense that utilized her correctly and providing better scoring opportunities for all players. It is very rare for a 6'4" girl with skills to show up in your program, and any decent coach embraces the opportunity.

And I'm not the "same person" posting over and over. I've only posted using the above "name."

More,

I haven't ever posted so I didn't know about registering. I'll be sure to do that right away.

As for "ploy" all I did was post a very mature opinion on the topic FOR THE FIRST TIME, and you and others engage in the tactic of "it's the same person" in order to immediately denigrate and attack the person's opinion rather than counter with opinions or facts of your own.

SO actually, you are a pathetic troll who can only insult due to your own lack of intelligent or coherent thought. Try to counter what I've said, but be careful because I have facts and a strong sports background with no emotions tied to the situation.

"More Complete" has the most interesting name on a birth certificate I've ever heard of. Oh wait, that's not actually your name, it's your "registered name"! So we don't actually know who you are.

Nice.

I was just getting ready to say the same thing no dog in fight. Funny how more complete tries to talk about something he or she has no clue about! He or she looks to me like its either a troll, coach, parent or just a lonely person who does nothing but eat all day with no significant other etc...

I can name at least 25 people I know who have posted. The photo is appalling. As an LB parent of former player I formally apologize T C.

No Dog in Fight Wrote:
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> And I'm not the "same person" posting over and
> over.

Yes, you are.

Truth20 Wrote:
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> I can name at least 25 people I know who have
> posted.

I don't think you even know 25 people.