Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers abused your connections to SB to disrupt our communities. More than 50% of students have pupil placed. They have no friends left in their new schools. We are struggling to arrange for transportation, make arrangements at work - and you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many communities.

how insulting Wrote:
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> "Does not matter" How insulting you are to your
> own neighbors who are going to go to South Lakes,
> just to vent your own bitterness? They and South
> Lakes are better off without you or your spawn.

Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers abused your connections to SB to disrupt our communities. More than 50% of students have pupil placed. They have no friends left in their new schools. We are struggling to arrange for transportation, make arrangements at work - and you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many communities.

how insulting Wrote:
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> "Does not matter" How insulting you are to your
> own neighbors who are going to go to South Lakes,
> just to vent your own bitterness? They and South
> Lakes are better off without you or your spawn.

Does not matter Wrote:
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> Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers
> abused your connections to SB to disrupt our
> communities. More than 50% of students have pupil
> placed. They have no friends left in their new
> schools. We are struggling to arrange for
> transportation, make arrangements at work - and
> you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left
> alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish
> and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the
> gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers
> selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many
> communities.

Are you on crack? Meth maybe?

Does not matter Wrote:
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> Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers
> abused your connections to SB to disrupt our
> communities. More than 50% of students have pupil
> placed. They have no friends left in their new
> schools. We are struggling to arrange for
> transportation, make arrangements at work - and
> you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left
> alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish
> and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the
> gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers
> selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many
> communities.
>
SL community could not reasonably have expected Madison Island high school students to welcome RD to South Lakes - these kids (small # to begin with) had not gone to elementary or middle school with ANYONE else going to South Lakes. Rather than lobby to have area RD'd instead to Kilmer and/or Marshall, which would have made some sense and kept students together with other kids they'd gone to school with, the parents just objected to the whole RD process - and got nowhere with the school board. A lose-lose for all involved; at best, parents able to pupil-place to Madison will have to deal with hassles of transportation issues, etc. Even if lawsuit gets tossed, hardly a fair approach to solving SL's issues.

If the 'cream' are pupil placing and if as you say 50% are, why don't they have any friends. Does not compute.

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> Fox Mill is not redistricted 'time and time
> again.' It was last moved over 20 years ago.

Depends on what part of Fox Mill you are talking about. Fox Mill west of Fairfax Cty Pkwy used to go to Floris...

One of the Floris redistrictings that Stu's cleverly written question to Staff about the number of Floris redistrictings was designed to ensure wouldn't be counted as a "Floris redistricting" in Staff's response.

That is because they did not let them go back to Oakton. Instead to Herndon. Carson does not even feed Herndon

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> If the 'cream' are pupil placing and if as you say
> 50% are, why don't they have any friends. Does
> not compute.

Sending RCMS kids to Herndon High for pupil placement was one of the most unfair, sticking to rules (that were created for not such situations) decision the county has done.

It is like telling the RDed kids, since you won't go to SL we won't let you go to the AP school that you desire. We will force you to other schools, and may be for next year you will return to SL.

Totally lacking any human touch.. Disgusting!!

Herndon is a good school and a good community. They take pride in their schools and support them thru the booster clubs and PTA. You will come to like it.

SL on the other hand struggles to get anything going. Other than the intense interest in dragging others into their mess, there's very little going on at that school.

Gibson has no obligation to act humanely to anyone other than reston residents.

> Totally lacking any human touch.. Disgusting!!

RCMS_HERNDON? Wrote:
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> Sending RCMS kids to Herndon High for pupil
> placement was one of the most unfair, sticking to
> rules (that were created for not such situations)
> decision the county has done.
>
> It is like telling the RDed kids, since you won't
> go to SL we won't let you go to the AP school that
> you desire. We will force you to other schools,
> and may be for next year you will return to SL.
>
> Totally lacking any human touch.. Disgusting!!

So True !!

We Restonians rule the hunter mill district. We can even eat up other neighbourhoods like Madison Island and Fox mill.

humane Wrote:
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> Gibson has no obligation to act humanely to anyone
> other than reston residents.
>
> > Totally lacking any human touch.. Disgusting!!
>
> RCMS_HERNDON? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sending RCMS kids to Herndon High for pupil
> > placement was one of the most unfair, sticking
> to
> > rules (that were created for not such
> situations)
> > decision the county has done.
> >
> > It is like telling the RDed kids, since you
> won't
> > go to SL we won't let you go to the AP school
> that
> > you desire. We will force you to other
> schools,
> > and may be for next year you will return to SL.
> >
> > Totally lacking any human touch.. Disgusting!!

You are making a big assumption when you reply that I was/am a "SLer".

I am accusing you of insulting those families from Fox Mill and Floris (presumably your own neighbors) that are accepting redistricting by claiming their children are less than "the cream of the crop". What gives you the right to determine that? You continue to (prove)give the anti RD crowd a racist/elist reputation. Shame on you!

Have you ever asked a recent high school graduate how many of their elementary friends are still their close friends in high school? Most of them make a whole new group of friends in grades 9-12. And if 50% have pupil placed why would they have no friends there? You are really stretching your pity party and most of us do not buy it!



"Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers abused your connections to SB to disrupt our communities. More than 50% of students have pupil placed. They have no friends left in their new schools. We are struggling to arrange for transportation, make arrangements at work - and you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many communities."

how insulting Wrote:
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> "Does not matter" How insulting you are to your
> own neighbors who are going to go to South Lakes,
> just to vent your own bitterness? They and South
> Lakes are better off without you or your spawn.

AG Letter Wrote:
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> Quoting second AG Letter
>
> "The issue is not whether socio-economics
> "equates" to efficiency. That is a meaningless
> semantic question. Rather, it is whether
> socio-economics, and the attendant burdens that
> certain socio-economic groups place on the
> schools, can be a factor in determining the
> allocation of resources and assignments. I would
> think that of course these factors can be
> considered (they in fact are all of the time), and
> hence to some considerable degree consideration of
> the same falls within the discretion of officials
> in making decisions."
>
>
> This may be your opinion but not the opinion given
> to Rust by the AG's office. Apparently you have
> not read the letter. The letter clearly stated
> that socio economics may not be used as a criteria
> and is not a factor which may lawfully be applied
> to such a decision. Hence to no considerable
> degree consideration of the same does not fall
> within the discretion of the officials making
> decisions.


Nothing is worse than a pompous dumb-ass trying to sound learned in the law.

miso soup

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> If the 'cream' are pupil placing and if as you say
> 50% are, why don't they have any friends. Does
> not compute.

My honors student is being pupil-placed at Oakton and has lots of friends going also! Remember, Rachel Carson is being split up between many high schools, so of course, he knows someone going to all of them!

Stop fighting. The problem is our corrupt fairfax county school board members and they should be recalled now.

Decisions we know of about curent 8th graders ... these are the only people we know about personally, so it is probably a fairly good random sample

2 are going to SL
1 has put their house up for sale and is looking in OHS area
1 has gotten into Paul VI - deciding whether to go private or SL - no decision yet
2 going to TJ (one did not even want to apply before RD)
2 PP to Oakton
1 PP to Herndon
1 PP to Westfields

So, official numbers that the school would have is that 4 have registered, 4 PP, and 2 TJ. It is possible that SL will end up with only 2 of these 10, but certainly no more than 4.

What is sad is that Westfields lost 1 student in this process and Oakton (which was only included to accomodate other schools and had no identified issues) will likely be down 4 or 5.

TJ (one did not even want to apply before RD)
That can not be true. You had to do all the necessary test taking and application prior to the school board vote on redistricting.

stretching the truth? Wrote:
> TJ (one did not even want to apply before RD)
> That can not be true. You had to do all the
> necessary test taking and application prior to the
> school board vote on redistricting.

The RD proposal was released right after the election. The test was well AFTER that.

This student was smart enough to have a backup plan and is also smart enough to get into TJ.

stretching the truth? Wrote:
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> TJ (one did not even want to apply before RD)
> That can not be true. You had to do all the
> necessary test taking and application prior to the
> school board vote on redistricting.


The RD discussion started months before the TJ application / test process. Her parents said that they had her take the test just in case they were caught up in this, although had they known for sure that they would stay at Oakton they would not have pushed her to do so - she and they both wanted Oakton. It worked out for her, but was not the outcome they would have preferred.

Word, by all measures used by anti-RD folks (except AP) Herndon would be considered failing. Herndon Middle did not make AYP. Clearview, Herndon Elem, Hutchinson, did not make AYP. SATs lower than SL...yada, yada, yada.

Get a grip. Great things are happening at SL.

This RD does more damage than good Wrote:
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> stretching the truth? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TJ (one did not even want to apply before RD)
> > That can not be true. You had to do all the
> > necessary test taking and application prior to
> the
> > school board vote on redistricting.
>
>
> The RD discussion started months before the TJ
> application / test process. Her parents said that
> they had her take the test just in case they were
> caught up in this, although had they known for
> sure that they would stay at Oakton they would not
> have pushed her to do so - she and they both
> wanted Oakton. It worked out for her, but was not
> the outcome they would have preferred.


Guys,

Ignore stretching_the_truth. He is a lurker hanging on the board with a mission to support SL at all costs and degrade the anti RD folks. He has no clue how TJ admissions work. My daughter said the same thing to us, had she
know this was going to happen, she would have gone through the TJ exams. I am
not saying she would have gotten in, but at least that was another chance.
we ended up pupil placing her.

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> Word, by all measures used by anti-RD folks
> (except AP) Herndon would be considered failing.
> Herndon Middle did not make AYP. Clearview,
> Herndon Elem, Hutchinson, did not make AYP. SATs
> lower than SL...yada, yada, yada.
>
> Get a grip. Great things are happening at SL.


Boo Hoo

Get AP and then talk.

My small sample from people I know:
2 to TJ
1 to Private
1 pupil placed
0 to SL

It's really sad for every party involved.

Sad Wrote:
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> My small sample from people I know:
> 2 to TJ
> 1 to Private
> 1 pupil placed
> 0 to SL
>
> It's really sad for every party involved.


As a third party watching this unfold, looks like South Lakes has a problem with test scores and perception. There also seems to be an AP/IB issue that some folks take exception to.

Besides, South Lakes folks teaming up with local school board member and pushing their case came about rather ugly. If you ask me, the whole charade is driving good students away from South Lakes instead of attracting them.

I really have little sympathy for a bunch of lawsuit-happy affluent white people who think status and materialism are the only measures of success. God forbid you should send your kids to a school with black and Hispanic kids. Who knows what might happen. You might end up with well-rounded kids who aren't prejudiced against those who are different.

My kids aren't prejudiced now. Why do they have to go to SL to learn how to be accepting of other people? Isn't SL a SCHOOL? Where you go to learn math and science and history? You and your SL friends make this about something it is not. Count two more kids as pupil-placing out of there, mine won't be going as there is no AP.

does not matter Wrote:
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> Whether CAPs prevails or not, SL is not getting
> the smart cream of the RDed students. Most have
> chosen to pupil place or move to pursue advanced
> academic opportunities.
>
> Boo Hoo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CAPS will not prevail. A pox on all of the
> > plaintiffs for bringing it!


Boo Hoo, The pox comment is just stupid. Perhaps you will one day live in a country that doesn't have a democracy or a legal system in which each citizen can have their day in court. That is the pox I wish upon you.

Does not matter, I hate to disagree with you, but it is a mixed bag (academically) that is going to Oakton. Just because a student already has a sibling at Oakton (the most popular reason to pupil place) does not give them cream of the crop status. Also, VERY few people with rising 9th graders are moving. I know only one and the family moved to the Floris area (and will still go to SL). I think what will be much more interesting to see is how many families with younger children (and much more sales flexibility) end up moving to get out of the new pyramid.

how insulting Wrote:
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> You are making a big assumption when you reply
> that I was/am a "SLer".
>
> I am accusing you of insulting those families from
> Fox Mill and Floris (presumably your own
> neighbors) that are accepting redistricting by
> claiming their children are less than "the cream
> of the crop". What gives you the right to
> determine that? You continue to (prove)give the
> anti RD crowd a racist/elist reputation. Shame on
> you!
>
> Have you ever asked a recent high school graduate
> how many of their elementary friends are still
> their close friends in high school? Most of them
> make a whole new group of friends in grades 9-12.
> And if 50% have pupil placed why would they have
> no friends there? You are really stretching your
> pity party and most of us do not buy it!
>
>
>
> "Look who is talking - For months on end you SLers
> abused your connections to SB to disrupt our
> communities. More than 50% of students have pupil
> placed. They have no friends left in their new
> schools. We are struggling to arrange for
> transportation, make arrangements at work - and
> you say we insult you. We just wanted to be left
> alone. SL parents are the ones who are the selfish
> and insulted our choice of AP schools. For the
> gain of a partly few extra resources, SLers
> selfishly uprooted and destroyed so many
> communities."
>
> how insulting Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "Does not matter" How insulting you are to your
>
> > own neighbors who are going to go to South
> Lakes,
> > just to vent your own bitterness? They and South
>
> > Lakes are better off without you or your spawn.


How insulting, I am suprised by your lack of compassion. At least acknowledge that the FM and Floris kids are being pulled around here. I assume your child(ren) go to SL...and they are having NO upheaval in their lives. They're staying put, which is all that everyone else wanted to do. Your pithy comment about asking high schoolers when they made the most friends is dismissive. Since your children aren't being yanked to another area you have nothing to contribute in this vein.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I really have little sympathy for a bunch of
> lawsuit-happy affluent white people who think
> status and materialism are the only measures of
> success. God forbid you should send your kids to a
> school with black and Hispanic kids. Who knows
> what might happen. You might end up with
> well-rounded kids who aren't prejudiced against
> those who are different.


Ow. This is really ugly. SL keeps pulling out the race card and it doesn't apply. You keep saying "Don't be afraid of SL"...please hear this for the millionth time: "No one is afraid." This is not racial in any way. There would be dozens more children going to SL if the school had a full AP curriculum.

But, I think this is the pot calling the kettle black. I can't help note that the VAST majority of SL families that spoke at the SB hearings WERE affluent white families (who all supported IB) WHO WANT TO BRING IN MORE AFFLUENT WHITE FAMILIES TO SL. Why weren't the minority populations at SL at these public meetings?

FM Mom,

How do you know they were affluent? The vast majority of minorities speaking against RD were Asian - where were all of the hispanic and black parents? Oh yeah, that's right, they were at the same place as the same parents from SL - work!

Don't be so sensitive about race - you have brought it up more than anyone on this thread.

Tip: Washingtone Logician is not affiliated with SL.

Stu Gibson and the rest of the SB should be feeling the pain of a failing RD that they forced on students/parents.

I hope that only a handfull of students attend SL.


outsider Wrote:
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> Sad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My small sample from people I know:
> > 2 to TJ
> > 1 to Private
> > 1 pupil placed
> > 0 to SL
> >
> > It's really sad for every party involved.
>
>
> As a third party watching this unfold, looks like
> South Lakes has a problem with test scores and
> perception. There also seems to be an AP/IB issue
> that some folks take exception to.
>
> Besides, South Lakes folks teaming up with local
> school board member and pushing their case came
> about rather ugly. If you ask me, the whole
> charade is driving good students away from South
> Lakes instead of attracting them.

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> FM Mom,
>
> How do you know they were affluent? The vast
> majority of minorities speaking against RD were
> Asian - where were all of the hispanic and black
> parents? Oh yeah, that's right, they were at the
> same place as the same parents from SL - work!
>
> Don't be so sensitive about race - you have
> brought it up more than anyone on this thread.
>
> Tip: Washingtone Logician is not affiliated with
> SL.


SL group keeps on making this a racial issue along with their saviour stu gibson as evident in the SB meeting.

As a Asian, I can say that WE CARE MOST ABOUT THE CURICULUM. Our kids are strong in math and sciences and we don't want to be forced into an IB only school.

Personally I would have supported any RD option which would send my kids to an AP school.

SL supporters, please stop your racial accusations. Can't you see Floris(46.7% white), is one of the most diversified elementary schools in the RD region? When can you focus on the real issue than blaming others, assuming your priority is to fix the school, not to feel morally superior by pretending all opponents are racist?

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> FM Mom,
>
> How do you know they were affluent? The vast
> majority of minorities speaking against RD were
> Asian - where were all of the hispanic and black
> parents? Oh yeah, that's right, they were at the
> same place as the same parents from SL - work!
>
> Don't be so sensitive about race - you have
> brought it up more than anyone on this thread.
>
> Tip: Washingtone Logician is not affiliated with
> SL.


Go back a bit. You'll see that certain SL folks bring up race again and again--and are pretty ugly and accusing about it. I went to several of the SB hearings and watched the others on TV. I was surprised considering the high number of black and hispanic minorities that attend SL that no more than a handful (or even a handful) came to the hearings/spoke in favor of the RD (or in favor of IB).
What is your comment that parents were are work all about?...only one of the hearings was during the day. I work and I was able to sit in/listen in.

To be quite candid, at first I was sympathetic to the SL folks thinking they had the best intentions in mind-they were hust trying to strengthen their school.

After hundreds of comments on this board and at the RD meeting, I have come to symapthize with those who were RD'ed against their will.

The SL people refused to respect and acknowledge the VALID concerns that these parents had. These parents did a lot of homework on the background of the school, test scores, IB vs AP, etc. They were called racists at every turn.

It was really underhanded in their dealings with SB members and picking and choosing WHICH students they wanted for their school. They wanted CERTAIN students-make no mistake about that.

I would be very concerned about my kids going to this school because of the dishonest tactics used and what appears to be a toxic culture at this school.
My criticisms are directed at parents and politicians-not any of the students involved.

SL really hurt their reputation for a long time to come.

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I really have little sympathy for a bunch of
> lawsuit-happy affluent white people who think
> status and materialism are the only measures of
> success. God forbid you should send your kids to a
> school with black and Hispanic kids. Who knows
> what might happen. You might end up with
> well-rounded kids who aren't prejudiced against
> those who are different.


Another troll, ignore it. Everyone saw how artfully SL refused McNair as an option.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really have little sympathy for a bunch of
> > lawsuit-happy affluent white people who think
> > status and materialism are the only measures of
> > success. God forbid you should send your kids to
> a
> > school with black and Hispanic kids. Who knows
> > what might happen. You might end up with
> > well-rounded kids who aren't prejudiced against
> > those who are different.
>
>
> Another troll, ignore it. Everyone saw how
> artfully SL refused McNair as an option.


That's right about these trolls and hey, welcome back, Berdhuis!

innocent bystander Wrote:
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> To be quite candid, at first I was sympathetic to
> the SL folks thinking they had the best intentions
> in mind-they were hust trying to strengthen their
> school.
>
> After hundreds of comments on this board and at
> the RD meeting, I have come to symapthize with
> those who were RD'ed against their will.
>
> The SL people refused to respect and acknowledge
> the VALID concerns that these parents had. These
> parents did a lot of homework on the background of
> the school, test scores, IB vs AP, etc. They were
> called racists at every turn.
>
> It was really underhanded in their dealings with
> SB members and picking and choosing WHICH students
> they wanted for their school. They wanted CERTAIN
> students-make no mistake about that.
>
> I would be very concerned about my kids going to
> this school because of the dishonest tactics used
> and what appears to be a toxic culture at this
> school.
> My criticisms are directed at parents and
> politicians-not any of the students involved.
>
> SL really hurt their reputation for a long time to
> come.



RIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT.

Boo Hoo Wrote:
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> Get a grip. Great things are happening at SL.

Name ten

The only fitting answer to Gibson and his SL PTSA is to have 100% PP. Come september they should see that their strong arm tactics yielded them ZERO benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only encourage these kinds of tactics used by Gibson and SL.

fitting answer Wrote:
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> The only fitting answer to Gibson and his SL PTSA
> is to have 100% PP. Come september they should see
> that their strong arm tactics yielded them ZERO
> benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only
> encourage these kinds of tactics used by Gibson
> and SL.


The only RDed kids that will go to SL are

a) Kids who like IB program and want to pursue it.

b) Parents and kids who do not understand the difference in IB and AP program and think its just a high school.

c) Parents with busy schedules who can not ferry their kids in case they get pupil placed.

d) The kids/parents from fox mill who wanted go to SL in first place because of proximity/tough competition issue at oakton.

I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.

pity, Gibson will celebrate victory if 35% of these Kids do end up in SL. That will give SL a sizeable chunk of funding that they can turn around and send to IBO in Europe

rd_kids_going_sl Wrote:
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> fitting answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The only fitting answer to Gibson and his SL
> PTSA
> > is to have 100% PP. Come september they should
> see
> > that their strong arm tactics yielded them ZERO
> > benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only
> > encourage these kinds of tactics used by Gibson
> > and SL.
>
>
> The only RDed kids that will go to SL are
>
> a) Kids who like IB program and want to pursue
> it.
>
> b) Parents and kids who do not understand the
> difference in IB and AP program and think its just
> a high school.
>
> c) Parents with busy schedules who can not ferry
> their kids in case they get pupil placed.
>
> d) The kids/parents from fox mill who wanted go to
> SL in first place because of proximity/tough
> competition issue at oakton.
>
> I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.

fitting answer Wrote:
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> pity, Gibson will celebrate victory if 35% of
> these Kids do end up in SL. That will give SL a
> sizeable chunk of funding that they can turn
> around and send to IBO in Europe

"celebrate victory? Europe?" What planet are you from? We are talking about kids here, not your ego.

Take your "elementary school" tempter tantrum to some other forum. We are discussing important adult issues, conduct yourself in such a manner.

Chantilly Dad, do some research on cost of per student that takes IB and how much is the IB fee that IBO a private organization in Europe charges FCPS. Then see how many IBO mandated positions SL has to maintain irrespective of the number of students enrolled in IB. Then take a look at handfull of students in SL actually getting a IB diploma per year for the last 5 years. My point will be clear as to who is really gaining by giving SL more resources.

Chantilly Dad Wrote:
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> fitting answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pity, Gibson will celebrate victory if 35% of
> > these Kids do end up in SL. That will give SL a
> > sizeable chunk of funding that they can turn
> > around and send to IBO in Europe
>
> "celebrate victory? Europe?" What planet are you
> from? We are talking about kids here, not your
> ego.
>
> Take your "elementary school" tempter tantrum to
> some other forum. We are discussing important
> adult issues, conduct yourself in such a manner.

fitting answer Wrote:
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> Chantilly Dad, do some research on cost of per
> student that takes IB and how much is the IB fee
> that IBO a private organization in Europe charges
> FCPS. Then see how many IBO mandated positions SL
> has to maintain irrespective of the number of
> students enrolled in IB. Then take a look at
> handfull of students in SL actually getting a IB
> diploma per year for the last 5 years. My point
> will be clear as to who is really gaining by
> giving SL more resources.
>
> Chantilly Dad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fitting answer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > pity, Gibson will celebrate victory if 35% of
> > > these Kids do end up in SL. That will give SL
> a
> > > sizeable chunk of funding that they can turn
> > > around and send to IBO in Europe
> >
> > "celebrate victory? Europe?" What planet are
> you
> > from? We are talking about kids here, not your
> > ego.
> >
> > Take your "elementary school" tempter tantrum
> to
> > some other forum. We are discussing important
> > adult issues, conduct yourself in such a manner.

As kids get class size increases and teachers get reduced colas, read all the information about the costs of IB v AP. That might be a big inducement to sign up to testify at the school board budget hearings this month.

The money on these sorts of things adds up. Obviously specil programs are more important than high quality core academics with low class sizes.

rd_kids_going_sl Wrote:
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> fitting answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The only fitting answer to Gibson and his SL
> PTSA
> > is to have 100% PP. Come september they should
> see
> > that their strong arm tactics yielded them ZERO
> > benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only
> > encourage these kinds of tactics used by Gibson
> > and SL.
>
>
> The only RDed kids that will go to SL are
>
> a) Kids who like IB program and want to pursue
> it.
>
> b) Parents and kids who do not understand the
> difference in IB and AP program and think its just
> a high school.
>
> c) Parents with busy schedules who can not ferry
> their kids in case they get pupil placed.
>
> d) The kids/parents from fox mill who wanted go to
> SL in first place because of proximity/tough
> competition issue at oakton.
>
> I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.


I'd also add e) people who didn't think their PP request would be approved because they don't have a sibling at Oakton. The grapevine said that PP requests for AP were told that they had to go to Herndon. The kids in JI could ask for Oakton for Japanese, but that still leaves a lot who didn't have an angle. Aside from a few who wanted SL in the first place (few), the rest are just trying to make the best of it. I have a younger child and I sure hope that SL gets AP soon because in a few years I don't know what I'll do if the situation doesn't change. I don't want to move, but I can't deal with IB at all and HHS sure doesn't work for us.

making lemonade Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> rd_kids_going_sl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fitting answer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The only fitting answer to Gibson and his SL
> > PTSA
> > > is to have 100% PP. Come september they
> should
> > see
> > > that their strong arm tactics yielded them
> ZERO
> > > benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only
> > > encourage these kinds of tactics used by
> Gibson
> > > and SL.
> >
> >
> > The only RDed kids that will go to SL are
> >
> > a) Kids who like IB program and want to pursue
> > it.
> >
> > b) Parents and kids who do not understand the
> > difference in IB and AP program and think its
> just
> > a high school.
> >
> > c) Parents with busy schedules who can not
> ferry
> > their kids in case they get pupil placed.
> >
> > d) The kids/parents from fox mill who wanted go
> to
> > SL in first place because of proximity/tough
> > competition issue at oakton.
> >
> > I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.
>
>
> I'd also add e) people who didn't think their PP
> request would be approved because they don't have
> a sibling at Oakton. The grapevine said that PP
> requests for AP were told that they had to go to
> Herndon. The kids in JI could ask for Oakton for
> Japanese, but that still leaves a lot who didn't
> have an angle. Aside from a few who wanted SL in
> the first place (few), the rest are just trying to
> make the best of it. I have a younger child and I
> sure hope that SL gets AP soon because in a few
> years I don't know what I'll do if the situation
> doesn't change. I don't want to move, but I can't
> deal with IB at all and HHS sure doesn't work for
> us.


If you care about AP at SL, become a part of the PTSA NOW and participate in the Academic Boosters subcommittee. They are happy/willing to have involvement with any family in the pyramid, because bringing AP to SL is a long-term issue that affects more than just current or rising students.

Japanese is now being offered at SL, so the JI connection won't be helpful in pupil placing for rising 9th graders. (In fact, Oakton will NOT be offering it in the long-term (just as long as those grandfathered students are still at Oakton), so those with younger children in JI now will have to go to SL if they want to continue into HS.) Pupil placing has been very difficult, so I think it is more like 35 percent will pupil place versus 35 percent will end up at SL. But, most families who want to pupil place based on AP are being routed to Herndon. Most don't want that (this is NOT a statement against Herndon...fine school, but not OUR school--and the opposite direction of where most want to be in morning rush hour.)

I think a very few number of families really WANT IB, I think most folks by now know all the nuances of these plans (so very few are ignorant on the differences today). While the proximity issue is important to a many, it is NOT the overiding factor for most. Most, are just stuck--and many have come to terms with the situation (afterall, they want their child to have a happy HS experience wherever they end up). If they don't have a sibling at Oakton, if they are not taking Geometry in 8th grade and if they're not taking American Sign Language (only a 2 year course, so Oakton could absolutely send them back to SL after 2 years), then their choices are very limited.

Interested in AP at SL Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> making lemonade Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > rd_kids_going_sl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > fitting answer Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The only fitting answer to Gibson and his
> SL
> > > PTSA
> > > > is to have 100% PP. Come september they
> > should
> > > see
> > > > that their strong arm tactics yielded them
> > ZERO
> > > > benifits. Sending your kids to SL will only
> > > > encourage these kinds of tactics used by
> > Gibson
> > > > and SL.
> > >
> > >
> > > The only RDed kids that will go to SL are
> > >
> > > a) Kids who like IB program and want to
> pursue
> > > it.
> > >
> > > b) Parents and kids who do not understand the
> > > difference in IB and AP program and think its
> > just
> > > a high school.
> > >
> > > c) Parents with busy schedules who can not
> > ferry
> > > their kids in case they get pupil placed.
> > >
> > > d) The kids/parents from fox mill who wanted
> go
> > to
> > > SL in first place because of proximity/tough
> > > competition issue at oakton.
> > >
> > > I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.
> >
> >
> > I'd also add e) people who didn't think their
> PP
> > request would be approved because they don't
> have
> > a sibling at Oakton. The grapevine said that PP
> > requests for AP were told that they had to go
> to
> > Herndon. The kids in JI could ask for Oakton
> for
> > Japanese, but that still leaves a lot who
> didn't
> > have an angle. Aside from a few who wanted SL
> in
> > the first place (few), the rest are just trying
> to
> > make the best of it. I have a younger child and
> I
> > sure hope that SL gets AP soon because in a few
> > years I don't know what I'll do if the
> situation
> > doesn't change. I don't want to move, but I
> can't
> > deal with IB at all and HHS sure doesn't work
> for
> > us.
>
>
> If you care about AP at SL, become a part of the
> PTSA NOW and participate in the Academic Boosters
> subcommittee. They are happy/willing to have
> involvement with any family in the pyramid,
> because bringing AP to SL is a long-term issue
> that affects more than just current or rising
> students.
>
> Japanese is now being offered at SL, so the JI
> connection won't be helpful in pupil placing for
> rising 9th graders. (In fact, Oakton will NOT be
> offering it in the long-term (just as long as
> those grandfathered students are still at Oakton),
> so those with younger children in JI now will have
> to go to SL if they want to continue into HS.)
> Pupil placing has been very difficult, so I think
> it is more like 35 percent will pupil place versus
> 35 percent will end up at SL. But, most families
> who want to pupil place based on AP are being
> routed to Herndon. Most don't want that (this is
> NOT a statement against Herndon...fine school, but
> not OUR school--and the opposite direction of
> where most want to be in morning rush hour.)
>
> I think a very few number of families really WANT
> IB, I think most folks by now know all the nuances
> of these plans (so very few are ignorant on the
> differences today). While the proximity issue is
> important to a many, it is NOT the overiding
> factor for most. Most, are just stuck--and many
> have come to terms with the situation (afterall,
> they want their child to have a happy HS
> experience wherever they end up). If they don't
> have a sibling at Oakton, if they are not taking
> Geometry in 8th grade and if they're not taking
> American Sign Language (only a 2 year course, so
> Oakton could absolutely send them back to SL after
> 2 years), then their choices are very limited.


Any discussion of having AP in South Lakes is futile. Kick Stu Gibson out and then talk about it.

AP_AT_SL?? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interested in AP at SL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > making lemonade Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > rd_kids_going_sl Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > fitting answer Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > The only fitting answer to Gibson and his
> > SL
> > > > PTSA
> > > > > is to have 100% PP. Come september they
> > > should
> > > > see
> > > > > that their strong arm tactics yielded
> them
> > > ZERO
> > > > > benifits. Sending your kids to SL will
> only
> > > > > encourage these kinds of tactics used by
> > > Gibson
> > > > > and SL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The only RDed kids that will go to SL are
> > > >
> > > > a) Kids who like IB program and want to
> > pursue
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > b) Parents and kids who do not understand
> the
> > > > difference in IB and AP program and think
> its
> > > just
> > > > a high school.
> > > >
> > > > c) Parents with busy schedules who can not
> > > ferry
> > > > their kids in case they get pupil placed.
> > > >
> > > > d) The kids/parents from fox mill who
> wanted
> > go
> > > to
> > > > SL in first place because of
> proximity/tough
> > > > competition issue at oakton.
> > > >
> > > > I estimate about 30-35 % will end up at SL.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd also add e) people who didn't think their
> > PP
> > > request would be approved because they don't
> > have
> > > a sibling at Oakton. The grapevine said that
> PP
> > > requests for AP were told that they had to go
> > to
> > > Herndon. The kids in JI could ask for Oakton
> > for
> > > Japanese, but that still leaves a lot who
> > didn't
> > > have an angle. Aside from a few who wanted SL
> > in
> > > the first place (few), the rest are just
> trying
> > to
> > > make the best of it. I have a younger child
> and
> > I
> > > sure hope that SL gets AP soon because in a
> few
> > > years I don't know what I'll do if the
> > situation
> > > doesn't change. I don't want to move, but I
> > can't
> > > deal with IB at all and HHS sure doesn't work
> > for
> > > us.
> >
> >
> > If you care about AP at SL, become a part of
> the
> > PTSA NOW and participate in the Academic
> Boosters
> > subcommittee. They are happy/willing to have
> > involvement with any family in the pyramid,
> > because bringing AP to SL is a long-term issue
> > that affects more than just current or rising
> > students.
> >
> > Japanese is now being offered at SL, so the JI
> > connection won't be helpful in pupil placing
> for
> > rising 9th graders. (In fact, Oakton will NOT
> be
> > offering it in the long-term (just as long as
> > those grandfathered students are still at
> Oakton),
> > so those with younger children in JI now will
> have
> > to go to SL if they want to continue into HS.)
> > Pupil placing has been very difficult, so I
> think
> > it is more like 35 percent will pupil place
> versus
> > 35 percent will end up at SL. But, most
> families
> > who want to pupil place based on AP are being
> > routed to Herndon. Most don't want that (this
> is
> > NOT a statement against Herndon...fine school,
> but
> > not OUR school--and the opposite direction of
> > where most want to be in morning rush hour.)
> >
> > I think a very few number of families really
> WANT
> > IB, I think most folks by now know all the
> nuances
> > of these plans (so very few are ignorant on the
> > differences today). While the proximity issue
> is
> > important to a many, it is NOT the overiding
> > factor for most. Most, are just stuck--and
> many
> > have come to terms with the situation
> (afterall,
> > they want their child to have a happy HS
> > experience wherever they end up). If they
> don't
> > have a sibling at Oakton, if they are not
> taking
> > Geometry in 8th grade and if they're not taking
> > American Sign Language (only a 2 year course,
> so
> > Oakton could absolutely send them back to SL
> after
> > 2 years), then their choices are very limited.
>
>
> Any discussion of having AP in South Lakes is
> futile. Kick Stu Gibson out and then talk about
> it.


LET'S NOT FORGET THE AEROSPACE PROGRAM AT WESTFIELD...Yes, people....there are choices other that SL.....I only know ONE student going there, only because kid has "artistic" traits...so parents are giving it a try. They will decide to transfer next year if it doesn't work out.

Interested in AP at SL Wrote:
>> making lemonade Wrote:
>> ... The grapevine said that PP requests for AP
>> were told that they had to go to Herndon. ...
>
> ... most families
> who want to pupil place based on AP are being
> routed to Herndon. Most don't want that (this is
> NOT a statement against Herndon...fine school, but
> not OUR school--and the opposite direction of
> where most want to be in morning rush hour.) ...

-------------------
The closest AP school to South Lakes is MADISON. NONE of the "old" OR "new" South Lakes student must pupil place to Herndon for AP - they may simply request Madison instead.

(As you wrote, "this is NOT a statement against Herndon.")

For students in Floris, Madison is too far.

It is AP school closest to base school or home. Westfield is closer to Floris than Madison or Oakton

why_not_madison Wrote:
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> For students in Floris, Madison is too far.
>
> It is AP school closest to base school or home.
> Westfield is closer to Floris than Madison or
> Oakton


If it's the AP school closest to the base school, then for Floris students the option would be to go to Chantilly. Correct me if I'm wrong,here.

Berdhuis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> why_not_madison Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For students in Floris, Madison is too far.
> >
> > It is AP school closest to base school or home.
> > Westfield is closer to Floris than Madison or
> > Oakton
>
>
> If it's the AP school closest to the base school,
> then for Floris students the option would be to go
> to Chantilly. Correct me if I'm wrong,here.

2 reasons.

1) Chantilly was overcrowded (??) at that time.

2) Herndon High is about less than a mile closer than Chantilly.

The point is none of the RCMS pyramid kids feed into Herndon high at any point. But why would the administrators care about that? That is too human for them.

Berdhuis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> why_not_madison Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For students in Floris, Madison is too far.
> >
> > It is AP school closest to base school or home.
> > Westfield is closer to Floris than Madison or
> > Oakton
>
>
> If it's the AP school closest to the base school,
> then for Floris students the option would be to go
> to Chantilly. Correct me if I'm wrong,here.



The other day I drove by Chantilly HS from the Herndon area and yes, I have to agree that Chantilly would probably be the closest AP HS to the Floris area. I also think it would be opposite the rush hour going there instead of to Herndon HS and fight traffic going there. The SB and facilities ought to take a look again at these locations and update the closest AP based schools for those redistricted to an IB HS.

The closest school to your home is that school whose in effect boundaries are closest to your home. In this interpretation, which is defensible in a court and with the Department of Justice, proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed to building.

Mr. Butler, therefore, should be referring to a boundary map (not a generic street map) when evaluating closest school.

Also, based on standards established by the county with PP in prior years, FCPS has established the PP criteria be dictated by the receiveing, not releasing, administration.

Good luck all!

Closest School Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The closest school to your home is that school
> whose in effect boundaries are closest to your
> home. In this interpretation, which is defensible
> in a court and with the Department of Justice,
> proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed to
> building.
>
> Mr. Butler, therefore, should be referring to a
> boundary map (not a generic street map) when
> evaluating closest school.
>
> Also, based on standards established by the county
> with PP in prior years, FCPS has established the
> PP criteria be dictated by the receiveing, not
> releasing, administration.
>
> Good luck all!


All this is useless now. Pupil placement deadline has passed. Mr Butler and FCPS staff has made permanent damage to the student's psyche.

I personally know of two people who argued with Mr. Butler unsuccessfully to get a receiving school choice of oakton or westfield.

If this is true than the closest "boundary" to many homes in Fox Mill is Oakton - not that anyone will honor it....

The deadline passed ... yes
And many folks were mistreated and poorly informed ...
Fairfax has the discretion to correct their mistakes of not allowing students to xfer to Oakton and Westfield

If you were affected by this, you should challenge the issues. With all due respect to Mr. Butler, he must either indicate the error was his and (with the support of FCPS) take approporiate remedial action OR identify the party (ies) who otherwise directed him to do so.

Otherwise, he can become legally liable (And given that from what I hear he is a good guy ... that would just stink). He, too, might get screwed by this board. But the students will not!!!!!

Fantastic idea for CAPS to print the High School Performance Report Card.

This is exactly what parents need to know. We have good schools and not so good schools. FCPS needs to help the lower ranked schools.

I am tired of being lied to by this School Board. We want facts- not BS.

Closest School Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The closest school to your home is that school
> whose in effect boundaries are closest to your
> home. In this interpretation, which is defensible
> in a court and with the Department of Justice,
> proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed to
> building.
>
> Mr. Butler, therefore, should be referring to a
> boundary map (not a generic street map) when
> evaluating closest school.
>
> Also, based on standards established by the county
> with PP in prior years, FCPS has established the
> PP criteria be dictated by the receiveing, not
> releasing, administration.
>
> Good luck all!

Do you have any facts to back this argument?

The closest school to your home is that school
whose in effect boundaries are closest to your
home. In this interpretation, which is defensible
in a court and with the Department of Justice,
proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed to
building.

Before we file a complaint, I need to verify the accuracy of this.

As the SB and many on this thread have pointed out, if you want to transfer from South Lakes to Oakton you are welcome to do so. LOL Oakton will be the new South Lakes

I "casually" spoke to a litigator (outside of this RD process) who has dealt with the DoJ. She indicated that the term closest was open to broad interpretation, but a reasobable and defensible position would be that school boundaries are defined by the school boundary map - not the land on which the school resides. She indicated that, given how school assignments are traditionally made, this might in fact be the most realistic definition. I agree with the interpretation of closest school.


how_so Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Closest School Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The closest school to your home is that school
> > whose in effect boundaries are closest to your
> > home. In this interpretation, which is
> defensible
> > in a court and with the Department of Justice,
> > proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed
> to
> > building.
> >
> > Mr. Butler, therefore, should be referring to a
> > boundary map (not a generic street map) when
> > evaluating closest school.
> >
> > Also, based on standards established by the
> county
> > with PP in prior years, FCPS has established
> the
> > PP criteria be dictated by the receiveing, not
> > releasing, administration.
> >
> > Good luck all!
>
> Do you have any facts to back this argument?
>
> The closest school to your home is that school
> whose in effect boundaries are closest to your
> home. In this interpretation, which is
> defensible
> in a court and with the Department of Justice,
> proximity is relative to boundaries as opposed to
> building.
>
> Before we file a complaint, I need to verify the
> accuracy of this.

Did I understand correctly that CAPS ranked Marshall (an IB school) 5th out of the 25 Fairfax high schools on its "High School Performance Report Card"? Neen will never talk to any of you CAPS supporters ever again. How can she keep steering anyone who has ever looked for a house in Fairfax County to a "Madison-safe" four-block radius of the town of Vienna if CAPS keeps this up?

CH Mom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As the SB and many on this thread have pointed
> out, if you want to transfer from South Lakes to
> Oakton you are welcome to do so. LOL Oakton will
> be the new South Lakes


No, you can't just transfer from SL to Oakton. There is no "just" involved here.

i checked with an attorney (relative) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I "casually" spoke to a litigator (outside of this
> RD process) who has dealt with the DoJ. She
> indicated that the term closest was open to broad
> interpretation, but a reasobable and defensible
> position would be that school boundaries are
> defined by the school boundary map - not the land
> on which the school resides.

School boundaries are define by the School Board. Nooo????

Who did you think defined school boundaries????

Police department???? Fire department???? Realtors???? The Girl Scouts???? Santa Claus????

Of course the School Board assigns school boundaries. That's their responsibility.

Chargers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> i checked with an attorney (relative) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I "casually" spoke to a litigator (outside of
> this
> > RD process) who has dealt with the DoJ. She
> > indicated that the term closest was open to
> broad
> > interpretation, but a reasobable and defensible
> > position would be that school boundaries are
> > defined by the school boundary map - not the
> land
> > on which the school resides.
>
> School boundaries are define by the School Board.
> Nooo????
>
> Who did you think defined school boundaries????
>
> Police department???? Fire department????
> Realtors???? The Girl Scouts???? Santa Claus????
>
> Of course the School Board assigns school
> boundaries. That's their responsibility.

And how effective is the SB with defining the school boundaries these days?

"And how effective is the SB with defining the school boundaries these days?"

Extremely effective.

Go to FairfaxCAPS.org

Click on report card.


*** May 7th Addition ***
High School Performance Report Card -- FairfaxCAPS grades FCPS high schools based on VA Standards of Learning performance… Click here

Why would we care about what CAPS think of schools?

Just got a flyer from the friendly staff at McNair. The bottom of page 1, forgive me if I've been out of the loop and am repeating old news, states,

[recto]
"No FCPS Summer School This Year
Due to reductions in the school system budget, there will be no FCPS summer school this year. For those interested, budget documents are currently available at: http://www.fcps.edu/news/fy2009.htm"

[verso]
"No Hay Escuela de Verano Esto Ano
Debido a las reducciones del presupuesto, no habra escuela de verano est ano. Para quien este interesado, los documentos del presupuesto estan disponibles en: http://www.fcps.edu/news/fy2009.htm"



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2008 08:45PM by Berdhuis.

Baffled Wrote:
> And how effective is the SB with defining the
> school boundaries these days?

[insert very pregnant pause]

Thanks, Baffled, glad to see you're still on board, too.

Sadly that is a fact. Stu Gibson will never allow AP to come into SL.

AP_AT_SL?? Wrote:
>
> Any discussion of having AP in South Lakes is
> futile. Kick Stu Gibson out and then talk about
> it.

Chargers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why would we care about what CAPS think of
> schools?

What kind of jackass response is this? It's not what CAPS thinks of the schools, it is simply a tabulation and ranking of county high schools based on their combined SOL scores. It you're not interested, don't read it. Simple.

Everyone who has children in Fairfax county should be interested in this report.


SBS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Chargers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why would we care about what CAPS think of
> > schools?
>
> What kind of jackass response is this? It's not
> what CAPS thinks of the schools, it is simply a
> tabulation and ranking of county high schools
> based on their combined SOL scores. It you're not
> interested, don't read it. Simple.

Does anyone have any info on coppermine RD? I heard some rumors that FM could be in scope too. That sounds strange to me, but then as with the SL RD stranger things have happened.

SL is ranked at 22 of 25. What a mess

Interested Wrote:
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> Everyone who has children in Fairfax county should
> be interested in this report.
>
>
> SBS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Chargers Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why would we care about what CAPS think of
> > > schools?
> >
> > What kind of jackass response is this? It's
> not
> > what CAPS thinks of the schools, it is simply a
> > tabulation and ranking of county high schools
> > based on their combined SOL scores. It you're
> not
> > interested, don't read it. Simple.

SBS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Chargers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why would we care about what CAPS think of
> > schools?
>
> What kind of jackass response is this? It's not
> what CAPS thinks of the schools, it is simply a
> tabulation and ranking of county high schools
> based on their combined SOL scores. It you're not
> interested, don't read it. Simple.

If CAPS keeps this up, it has a chance to be viewed as more than a single-issue group. The report card is actually a pretty useful measurement of the different high schools' abilities to equip their students with the basic knowledge covered in the SOLs.

I bet if FCSB had done a report like CAPS,thousands of tax dollars would have been spent.

Thank you CAPS for reporting the facts.

The pubic needs to see more of this type of reporting.

According to Wednesday's WP article, FCSB wants to increase class size to save money. Maybe FCSB should put more administrators in an office so they want have to spend millions more of our tax dollars to get more adminstrative office space.

What is wrong with this picture, increase class size, downsize class room assistants, but spend more $$$$$ for office space?

Many have said that they are being steered towards Herndon when requesting PP out of SL. They then object to that though they have, "nothing against Herndon" how does this jive with the other statements, often from the same people, that if SL had AP they would go there, and would gladly be "RD'd to any AP school" "any AP school" includes Herndon, right?

So, clearly it is all just talk when those posters say their only objection is that SL doesn't have AP since they won't accept Herndon as their AP back up.

By the way, the form lists which schools you will be redistricted to on the PP form. I believe Herndon is actually listed. Closest to base school means closest to SL, but it also says on the form, closest to your house..so their is some leeway for some households...but the date has passed.

Herndon and AP Wrote:
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> Many have said that they are being steered towards
> Herndon when requesting PP out of SL. They then
> object to that though they have, "nothing against
> Herndon" how does this jive with the other
> statements, often from the same people, that if SL
> had AP they would go there, and would gladly be
> "RD'd to any AP school" "any AP school" includes
> Herndon, right?
>
> So, clearly it is all just talk when those posters
> say their only objection is that SL doesn't have
> AP since they won't accept Herndon as their AP
> back up.
>
> By the way, the form lists which schools you will
> be redistricted to on the PP form. I believe
> Herndon is actually listed. Closest to base
> school means closest to SL, but it also says on
> the form, closest to your house..so their is some
> leeway for some households...but the date has
> passed.


Your post is filled with inaccuracies.

The PP form does not LIST receiving school. It needs to be FILLED in.

Apperantly you do not have a affected child. We have this discussion almost every day in house. Yes we would have gladly gone to Herndon if all of Floris and for that matter Fox Mill was redistricted to Herndon because then EVERYONE will be going to the same school.

These kids form friendships at Elementary and Middle school levels. We adults know we can make new friends all the time, but these kids are not adults YET.

You can show little sympathy for this kids even though they are not yours.

the_issue Wrote:
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> > Your post is filled with inaccuracies.
>
> The PP form does not LIST receiving school. It
> needs to be FILLED in.
>
>
My post is not filled with inaccuracies. The PP form doesn't specify but the regulation form regarding PP does indeed say Herndon is a receiving school since it is deemed the closest to SL, which is now the base school of the redistricted kids. And again, you do have leeway as on THAT regulatory form, it does state you can request the HS that is closest to your home.

And by the way, I do have sympathy...nothing in my post indicated I did or didn't. Sympathy waasn't addressed, just the facts were regarding which schools are considered closest per the base school.

The court will strike down the RD. Life will return to normal after that. AP lovers can go to AP. SL lovers can take IB.

Herndon and AP Wrote:
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> the_issue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Your post is filled with inaccuracies.
> >
> > The PP form does not LIST receiving school. It
> > needs to be FILLED in.
> >
> >
> My post is not filled with inaccuracies. The PP
> form doesn't specify but the regulation form
> regarding PP does indeed say Herndon is a
> receiving school since it is deemed the closest to
> SL, which is now the base school of the
> redistricted kids. And again, you do have leeway
> as on THAT regulatory form, it does state you can
> request the HS that is closest to your home.
>
> And by the way, I do have sympathy...nothing in my
> post indicated I did or didn't. Sympathy waasn't
> addressed, just the facts were regarding which
> schools are considered closest per the base
> school.


From your post, it sounded like you were one of the folks who were of the opinion that we just did not want to go South Lakes no matter what. A lot of people from Floris community argued during the hearings that

Send a UNITED FLORIS to any AP school and we will gladly go.

I think this feeling is still strong among the entire Floris community.

the_issue Wrote:
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>
>
> Send a UNITED FLORIS to any AP school and we will
> gladly go.
>
> I think this feeling is still strong among the
> entire Floris community.

So, are you saying part of Floris can PP to Herndon and the other can't? Or, am I misunderstanding the Herndon issue? Will you all (Floris) PP to Herndon for AP, or is their an issue with Herndon?

Herndon and AP Wrote:
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> Many have said that they are being steered towards
> Herndon when requesting PP out of SL. They then
> object to that though they have, "nothing against
> Herndon" how does this jive with the other
> statements, often from the same people, that if SL
> had AP they would go there, and would gladly be
> "RD'd to any AP school" "any AP school" includes
> Herndon, right?
>
> So, clearly it is all just talk when those posters
> say their only objection is that SL doesn't have
> AP since they won't accept Herndon as their AP
> back up.
>

You miss two MAJOR points.

1) Direction of travel

The affected families all live south and southeast of the town of Herndon. Most of them also travel east or southeast to go to work, in the opposite direction from Herndon. Herndon H.S. is on the north side of town. Parents would have to drive to Herndon H.S., probably a 15 - 20 minute drive for most, then backtrack, THEN go to work. If they had to drive to Oakton or Westfield, it would at least be more in the same general direction as work for many of them.

2) Bus service

Since no highschool students in the affected area currently go to Herndon, there is no chance of any bus service to Herndon. If they PP to their previous school, i.e. Oakton or Westfield, since existing highschool students will still be getting bus service, they at least have a chance of putting their 9th grader on the bus, if it has room.

Herndon and AP Wrote:
> My post is not filled with inaccuracies. ...Herndon is a
> receiving school since it is deemed the closest to
> SL, which is now the base school of the
> redistricted kids. ...

Do a mapquest check to compare distance from SL to Herndon and SL to Madison and you will see MADISON is the closest AP school to SLHS.

end is near Wrote:
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> The court will strike down the RD.

The "lawsuit" is meaning less. Even the Lawyer who filed it knows that. You can't file a lawsuit:

a) Against elected local public officials to change a public policy.
b) The redistricting is dictated by the Federal government; there is no Fairfax jurisdiction in the matter.

Jurisprudence allows no recourse or legal remedy for RD actions.

Sorry, but your best option is to pupil place, private school or move.

Herndon and AP Wrote:
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> the_issue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Send a UNITED FLORIS to any AP school and we
> will
> > gladly go.
> >
> > I think this feeling is still strong among the
> > entire Floris community.
>
> So, are you saying part of Floris can PP to
> Herndon and the other can't? Or, am I
> misunderstanding the Herndon issue? Will you all
> (Floris) PP to Herndon for AP, or is their an
> issue with Herndon?

Do you not know that they sliced and diced Floris because all of Floris along with Fox Mill would not fit into South Lakes. Part of Floris now goes to Westfield and part of it goes to SL. Friendships formed from Elementary school level are broken. One street (same Road being interesected by West Ox Road) is split into two high schools.

Splitting communities was never a intended goal of this RD and yet they did it.

People keep saying the deadline has passed - yes, for this year, but we need this information for years to come to get our younger kids to other schools too.

Sending all FM/Floris kids to one AP school is what I wished for too, but with Carson being split into so many schools I don't know who my kids will end up knowing or even where they'll be going - that feeling absolutely sucks for me and for them and for all of us in this completely unnecessary rd. The only thing we know for sure is that it won't be SL.

Thanks SB, you've done a fantastic job at producing constant stress in those you supposedly represent.

the_issue Wrote:

> > > Send a UNITED FLORIS to any AP school and we
> > will
> > > gladly go.
> > >
> Do you not know that they sliced and diced Floris
> because all of Floris along with Fox Mill would
> not fit into South Lakes. Part of Floris now goes
> to Westfield and part of it goes to SL.
> Friendships formed from Elementary school level
> are broken. One street (same Road being
> interesected by West Ox Road) is split into two
> high schools.
>
> Splitting communities was never a intended goal of
> this RD and yet they did it.

I like the sound of "United Floris" - can't wait till they take on Real Madrid or Manchester United.

Seriously, I think the RD was seriously botched and understand that none of the choices that parents/kids are now facing seem very appealing compared to what they expected pre-RD. Would you prefer there were no pupil placement options at all, so you didn't have to make those decisions? And - in an era of texting, IMs, cell phones, etc., why would friendships be broken just because the kids go to different high schools. There are many other split feeders already in the Fairfax schools and kids remain friends.

How could a lawsuit succeed?

Could a lawsuit be brought alleging malfeasance in the pupil placement?

Also, if every i wasn't dotted and every t wasn't crossed, there may be some justification for a lawsuit or an injuction forcing FCPS to go back to the drawing table.

As for going to Herndon -- if I were that anxious to get my daughter out of SL, I'd just get up 20 minutes earlier.

Anyway, I moved to Vienna (hi Neen!), so no RD worries for me ever. Go Warhawks! (Correction, I might get rezoned into Oakton or Marshall.)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/08/2008 10:42AM by formerhick76.

Forum Reader Wrote:
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> Herndon and AP Wrote:
> > My post is not filled with inaccuracies.
> ...Herndon is a
> > receiving school since it is deemed the closest
> to
> > SL, which is now the base school of the
> > redistricted kids. ...
>
> Do a mapquest check to compare distance from SL to
> Herndon and SL to Madison and you will see MADISON
> is the closest AP school to SLHS.

The federal govt [lots of info on the web from all the bussing cases] uses closest school to residence. FCPS has a nifty map function. On the top right of the homepage go to find your school. Get to a school and click on maps. Under directions there are pre-entered lists. You can enter your residential street address.

South Lakes and Hughes are confusing because FCPS has decided to show Hughes far away ignoring the driveway down the middle. Also FCPS doesn't show stuff that would give the publc easy finds on what is near the langley bussing area.

Fox Mill has streets closer to Chantilly than any other high school. Some of Chantilly is closer to Westfield.

=======================

Did FCPS run out of money and is intends to cancell all the elementary summer school that was to be in August and targeted to help students meet grade level expectations? Is it still hosting specific fun or enrichment programs that supposedly are self-supporting?

My point when I was asking about Herndon and AP was that many have said they would "gladly be redistricted to any AP school." Clearly, whether it is due to wanting a "United Floris" or disagreement with Herndon being the closest to SL, that is not the case. So, perhaps SL not having AP is not truly the main issue for folks who have been redistricted.

Herndon and AP Wrote:
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> My point when I was asking about Herndon and AP
> was that many have said they would "gladly be
> redistricted to any AP school." Clearly, whether
> it is due to wanting a "United Floris" or
> disagreement with Herndon being the closest to SL,
> that is not the case. So, perhaps SL not having
> AP is not truly the main issue for folks who have
> been redistricted.


Twist the words, skew what we say and reach the conclusion that you want to. You seem like a typical Pro RD person.

the_issue Wrote:
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> Herndon and AP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My point when I was asking about Herndon and AP
> > was that many have said they would "gladly be
> > redistricted to any AP school." Clearly,
> whether
> > it is due to wanting a "United Floris" or
> > disagreement with Herndon being the closest to
> SL,
> > that is not the case. So, perhaps SL not
> having
> > AP is not truly the main issue for folks who
> have
> > been redistricted.
>
>
> Twist the words, skew what we say and reach the
> conclusion that you want to. You seem like a
> typical Pro RD person.


I am not a typical Pro RD person. I am not for the RD at all due to them leaving Langley out. I also did not twist or skew what was said. The conclusion is actually logical based on what has been said.

Eat, drink, and be MERRY ye Redisticters! for tomorrow WE DANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With over 800 empty seats in Mount Vernon HS, should these grades be so low?


Rank School Math Science English Social Studies GPA

24 Mount Vernon C C B C+ 2.36

Storck you are doing a terrible job with this school. Did they not pay you off?

the_issue Wrote:
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> Herndon and AP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My point when I was asking about Herndon and AP
> > was that many have said they would "gladly be
> > redistricted to any AP school." Clearly,
> whether
> > it is due to wanting a "United Floris" or
> > disagreement with Herndon being the closest to
> SL,
> > that is not the case. So, perhaps SL not
> having
> > AP is not truly the main issue for folks who
> have
> > been redistricted.
>
> Twist the words, skew what we say and reach the
> conclusion that you want to. You seem like a
> typical Pro RD person.

(1) How many anti-RD people have expressed a willingness to go the extra mile and pupil place to Herndon so they might have AP?

(2) Could it be that the various anti-RD people each have different motivations?

Different people will have different reasons for not going to SL. They made their choice when buying their houses, just as the people who bought into SL area. All they want is to left alone.


formerhick76 Wrote:
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> the_issue Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Herndon and AP Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My point when I was asking about Herndon and
> AP
> > > was that many have said they would "gladly be
> > > redistricted to any AP school." Clearly,
> > whether
> > > it is due to wanting a "United Floris" or
> > > disagreement with Herndon being the closest
> to
> > SL,
> > > that is not the case. So, perhaps SL not
> > having
> > > AP is not truly the main issue for folks who
> > have
> > > been redistricted.
> >
> > Twist the words, skew what we say and reach the
> > conclusion that you want to. You seem like a
> > typical Pro RD person.
>
> (1) How many anti-RD people have expressed a
> willingness to go the extra mile and pupil place
> to Herndon so they might have AP?
>
> (2) Could it be that the various anti-RD people
> each have different motivations?