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Page 20!!!

Thank you, Mike O'Meara, wherever you are.

I couldn't have made it without your inspiration.

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Miz at home... just my 'magination...?

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Dark Harry on a date with Conie...

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I want to personally thank you for Running the Harry and Miz: Greatest Hits tape... You really saved the night...

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FFU is going through a rough time. And After Dark is officially on hiatus. Until the spirit of the forum returns to normal, the lights will remain off. It's just the usual dead of winter blues, I guess.

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Alias Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
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> > After midnight,,lights off, no sign out
> >
> > Looks like it's just me and the bottle
>
>
> NyQuil isn't what it used to be.


The more alcohol you drink, the more Nyquil you need.

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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I know
>
> The alcohol turns to sugar in your body, thus
> necessitating the introduction of a sleep aid into
> the system,,,,
>
> Especially if your are stressed out to begin with


Also...Nyquil is not that different than an after-dinner drink.

It also has alcohol and sugar.

I'd rather have a Johnny Walker Blue Label.

Conie, you never make any sense... LOL

Conie Wrote:
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> Also...Nyquil is not that different than an
> after-dinner drink.
>
> It also has alcohol and sugar.

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To whom it may concern,

I have ME and OW (MEOW) warming up in my queue as we speak...

Zia..

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I need another JW to understand anyone on this thread.

On me, Shadow....

Have a drink on me, Shadow...

Shadow, I want you to drink on me...

I have a deep navel...

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Haay, Mizzo... Howdo you what happened in Karate Klass, Daniel-san?

You get yourself a brown belt yet? (Anal sex joke)

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it just ain't the same without themuse, but what the hell....we're open for bid'ness.
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the funko hub is on, y'all

The Onion News Network is overrated...

It's not even funny...

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Funk hub never works for me...

Are you going to go to bedzo as soon as the funk hub is over?

HAtemotor... We've already got more customers than we've had all week...

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Mizzo... you ever tried listening to "hot topic" music?

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Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Mizzo... you ever tried listening to "hot topic"
> music?


what is hot topic music? Is that the music they play in Hot Topic? I wouldn't be caught dead in a Hot Topic, ma fren.

Yeah... me neither...

I just call it that because of that one thread about Gravis and "Hot Topic Music"...

Stay tuned...

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anyone else notice the rock music that's out there right now is just 80's music with hipster clothing? Arcade Fire? Sounds like Depeche Mode or some shit. Back me up on this, Hatemotor. The kids are just copying the 80's, am I right? It's terrible.

they're playing some p-funk, y'all.

I'm not feelin' funky, dood...

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But yeah... today's pop music is so uninspired...

It's almost impossible to distinguish the "different genres"...

Oh yeah,

To whom it may concern,

I'm not in the mood to watch MEOW right now...

Zach Effron? Really?

I promise I'll give it a fair shot... just not tonight...

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you like soul music, Hatemotor? THere's some good new soul music out there. Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings, Eli Paperboy Reed, The Pepper Pots, The Pietasters (last two albums were almost all soul and rock).

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Lovvveee me summa dat SOUL music...


SOOOUUUUUUUULLLLL..

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I still enjoy finding new bands and artists. Maybe that goes away at some point. Ain't yet. I'm really into country hip-hop right now (hick-hop, y'all!) like Rench and Gangstagrass. It's not a gimmick. It's really good.

I have always had a hard time comprehending how Helen Keller could have possibly learned to read and write...

honestly, I still think her story is over-dramatized... I mean... that bitch made her touch the water and all of a sudden, she magically learned to read and write...

Puh-lease...

ANywhoo...
I had a hard time sleeping last night and I began really meditating on it... I can now fully grasp how Helen Keller could learn to read and write...

However, I think her writing would probably be lacking a very important depth... It would be like reading something written in someone's second language...

I learned years ago that I could think in a nonverbal language.... but it relies heavily on sight... Last night, I was thinking in a nonverbal/nonvisual language for the first time...

On a tangent, how is it that we can see without our eyes? How is it that we can hear without our ears? If we were born blind and deaf, would we still see and hear those things? I think we would... we just wouldn't "see" or "hear" the same things that us able-sensed people can "see" and "hear"....

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If you're talking to me, Hatemotor, the answer is "no"...

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I've heard of Mr. Heat...

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Miz.... I take it back... don't start it at 5am... it's too slow and boring.... start it at 2am...

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sausage party.



anyone seen alias? conie?

yeefuckinghaw

themuse Wrote:
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> sausage party.
>
>
>
> anyone seen alias? conie?


awww, you know you like it.

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> >
> >
> > anyone seen alias? conie?
>
>
> awww, you know you like it.


miz. i thought you'd gone to bed. what did you have for dinner, miz? did you paint today? how's your kitty?

yeefuckinghaw

Miz you listen to that 2am?

I'm listening... I'm probably almost to 3am...

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I had loser's lunch, two plain hotdogs for dinner. I didn't paint today but I did draw. Lithography. You know what that is? Me neither. My kitty is wonderful. She's a joy.

Miz, have you ever drank alcohol?

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Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> honestly, I still think her story is
> over-dramatized... I mean... that bitch made her
> touch the water and all of a sudden, she magically
> learned to read and write...
>
> Puh-lease...


Puh-lease, indeed.

Here's is Keller's description of the breakthrough; there's nothing "magical"
about it, unless the phenomenon of the human mind being able to learn and use
language is itself magical:

Quote:

We walked down the path to the well-house, attracted by the fragrance of the
honeysuckle with which it was covered.

Someone was drawing water and my teacher placed my hand under the spout.

As the cool stream gushed over one hand she spelled into the other the word
water, first slowly, then rapidly.

I stood still, my whole attention fixed upon the motions of her fingers.

Suddenly I felt a misty consciousness as of something forgotten--a thrill of
returning thought; and somehow the mystery of language was revealed to me.

I knew then that "w-a-t-e-r" meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing
over my hand.

That living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, joy, set it free!

There were barriers still, it is true, but barriers that could in time be swept
away.

End of quote.



"We all understand that humans are symbol processors."
Negro Revolutionary Report, vol 16, p. 1124, Sept. 1956.



Quote:

As McLuhan sees it — in the simplest terms, here is his theory step by step:
People adapt to their environment, whatever it is, with a certain balance of the
five senses: sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste.

If something steps up the intensity of one sense, hearing for example, the other
senses will change intensity too, to try to regain a balance. A dentist, for
example, can practically shut off pain-sense of touch — by putting earphones on a
patient and pouring intense noise into his ear-sense of hearing.

Every major technology changes the balance of the senses.

One of the most explosive of these technologies was the development of the
printing press in the fifteenth century.

Before that, people’s senses still had pretty much the old tribal balance.

That is to say, the sense of hearing was dominant. People got their information
mainly by hearing it from other people. People who get their information that way
are necessarily drawn closer together, in the tribal way. They have to be close
to each other in order to get information. And they have to believe what people
tell them, by and large, because that is the only kind of information they can
get. They are interdependent.

They are also more emotional. The spoken word is more emotional than the written
word.

It carries emotion as well as meaning.

The intonation can convey anger, sorrow, approval, panic, joy, sarcasm, and so
forth.

This aural man, the tribal man, reacts more emotionally to information. He is
more easily upset by rumors. His and every body else’s emotions — a collective
unconscious — lie very near the surface.

The printing press brought about a radical change. People began getting their
information primarily by seeing it — the printed word.

The visual sense became dominant.

Print translates one sense — hearing, the spoken word — into another sense sight,
the printed word.

Print also converts sounds into abstract symbols, the letters.

Print is orderly progression of abstract, visual symbols.

Print led to the habit of categorizing — putting everything in order, into
categories, “jobs,” “prices,” “departments,” “bureaus,” “specialties.”

Print led, ultimately, to the creation of the modern economy, to bureaucracy, to
the modern army, to nationalism itself...

Print caused an “explosion” — breaking society up into categories.

The electronic media, on the other hand, are causing an “implosion,” forcing
people back together in a tribal unity.

The aural sense is becoming dominant again.

People are getting their information primarily by hearing it.

End of quote (excerpt from Tom Wolfe, "What if He is Right?").


Think, it ain't illegal yet. - Cary Weedman

ALWAYS REMEMBER;
IF IT'S NOT ABOUT SCAT, IT'S NOT ABOUT SHIT.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Miz, have you ever drank alcohol?

only sometimes when I take my pills. a lil sweetberry wine helps the ambiens work better ive found./

Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> I had loser's lunch, two plain hotdogs for dinner.
> I didn't paint today but I did draw. Lithography.
> You know what that is? Me neither. My kitty is
> wonderful. She's a joy.


plain hot dogs? lithography? have you hit a plateau? zzzzz.

yeefuckinghaw

Re: Helen Keller....

There is no way she was able to write that verbatim... who translated it for her? Someone re-wrote it... someone edited it...

Absolutely no way she could write like that....


Re: the second part...

Really interesting... thank you...

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Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Re: Helen Keller....
>
> There is no way she was able to write that
> verbatim... who translated it for her? Someone
> re-wrote it... someone edited it...
>
> Absolutely no way she could write like that....

"Helen Keller began writing The Story of My Life in 1902, when she was 22 years
old and still a student at Radcliffe College, the sister school of Harvard
University in Cambridge, Massachusetts."
http://www.afb.org/mylife/book.asp?ch=HK-intro


Is it really so hard to believe she wrote that text? It was likely edited and
polished by others, but that's true of most published texts.


I don't think there's any dispute that she wrote the letters in the second half
of the book, such as this one at the age of 14:


...Every one at the Fair was very kind to me... Nearly all of the exhibitors
seemed perfectly willing to let me touch the most delicate things, and they were
very nice about explaining everything to me. A French gentleman, whose name I
cannot remember, showed me the great French bronzes. I believe they gave me more
pleasure than anything else at the Fair: they were so lifelike and wonderful to
my touch. http://www.afb.org/mylife/book.asp?ch=P2Let57


If she could write that at 14, she would certainly have had the capacity to write
a straightforward text such as her autobiography at 22.


> Re: the second part...
>
> Really interesting... thank you...

You're welcome. Very interesting stuff, I agree.

How can you teach a blind and deaf person "was"? or "whose"? or "french"? or "perfectly"?

I have a hard time believing she could master the intricacies of the written language without having any connection to the outside world, aside from touch, smell, and taste... How do you explain the conjugation of verbs... keep in mind... I'm not trying to prove anything... I'm trying to understand... If you have an explanation, I'd be very eager to learn....

I suppose it's possible that she could write all that... but it's more probable that she wrote a jumbled mess and had several "able-sensed" people polishing her work...

I think her writing would be more like this.....

Helen Keller Wrote:
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> People fair kind me. me touch delicate things. person me touch bronze.
> Me happy touch bronze. happy touch

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Do you have any evidence for your claim she could only write in that primitive fashion, other than just a vague intuition?

From my perspective, once she makes the letter/symbol-real world thing connection - once that breakthrough is achieved - all the rest is *relatively* easy, assuming, as would seem to be the case, that she possessed an above-average intelligence.

How so?

She could learn reasonably sophisticated syntax and grammar simply by reading braille -- starting with children's books, and moving on to more sophisticated texts, much as you or I did (assuming you were not deposited on earth by aliens, as I sometimes think may be the case).

Actually, the autobiography I've been cutting and pasting various texts from has a representative letter written at about age 8, as follows:

Quote:

helen write anna george will give helen apple simpson will shoot bird jack will give helen stick of candy doctor will give mildred medicine mother will make mildred new dress

End of quote. http://www.afb.org/mylife/book.asp?ch=P2Let1

Thus the primitive writing style you posit.

But again, assuming she was intelligent - as she evidently was - it does not strike me as at all unreasonable that she could have gone from writing childish phrases like that, to the well-structured sentences at age 14 quoted above, to her autobiography at 22.

Hey voodooslut, I sent you a couple of PMs under your "Alias." lol

And to think I was having such beautiful dreams, until a croaking, asthmatic laughter awakened me...

Go back to sleep, honey. It's only the wind.

Imposter Alias Wrote:
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> And to think I was having such beautiful dreams,
> until a croaking, asthmatic laughter awakened
> me...




Better than Alias' laugh.

harry write misery themuse will give harry apple eesh will shoot bird hatemotor
will give harry stick of candy doctor will give alias medicine mother will make
alias new dress

[Sample letter written by Harry Tuttle at age 22]

don't think anyone's gonna show up, but open for bid'ness
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hay food

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I got my cat, she's sitting in my lap. What else could a guy axe for?

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A wife'r a kid, maybe...

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I'm here!

Let's do it.

themuse is back.

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I'm not feelin' it... it's not in the air...

panning it... scanning it...

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WE CAN DO IT!! WHO'S WITH ME?? WHO WANTS TO ATTEMPT THE DRIVE FOR FIVE? BY FIVE I MEAN 2,000!

Gotta do it boyz!!!

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'sthat mean you're going to bed 'soonsit happens?

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forget that monkey man....this is the real monkey man

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i'm eatingo plain whiote bread with margarmine, guise

'sfor you, Miz...





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How can you be eating plain white bread with margarine?

If you have margarine, is it really plain?

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> i'm eatingo plain whiote bread with margarmine,
> guise


Miz, Miz, Miz....how MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD (OOPS) you

to stop eating margarmine and to start eating healthy...

margarmine is very very bad.

Yeah, Miz...

Y'gotta eat Ramen noodels and be healthy, like conie...

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breakd, chicken patties, hogdogs, margmaraine, and bottled water. thtat's waht I have in my chicken.

sounds like mine only I have torlillas instead of bread... and no hogbofbgs... and ranch instead of margarmine...

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is chickem stirps haealthy?

i could go for a torktilaals

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open for bid'nesso
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the drive for fiveo is on....only four more posts. Don't make me do it alone./

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it's justio you and me, hatemoteor, and my acat........two more poasts.....take it, bro!