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Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
64uj56kj
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Date: January 05, 2023 06:44PM
(meanwhile, VERIZON is $2.22/mo $6.66/mo evil. they are selling OLD 4G FLIP PHONES despite not allowing iPhone 5c on their network. they've said they are canceling service last 2022 year, but still selling them. what assholes. $30/mo THIRTY DOLLARS A MONTH to connect the flip - that a new Samsung S21 every year you loose compared to $3/mo rate those phones are designed for. TRULY hillary evil.)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
CORRECTION
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Date: January 05, 2023 06:50PM
i forgot HUAWEI and probably other models
it's probably 500 phone models <2yr for CHINA
all cut & run, you buy it: your problem
USA GOOGLE (also europe) get hit with THE SUPPORT FEES, through Android which USA is paying allot for (it's run on government grants)
they have to use (free and paid labor) to keep various phones working for (?3 years after purchase) free of what chipset which is far more difficult than a few models - meaning - WE ARE FLIPPING THE BILL FOR THE CUT & RUN PHONES in large parts
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
35yhj45
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Date: January 05, 2023 06:55PM
CHINA does cut & run. Once you buy you get NO support from them. See above.
they've always done that in the PC market. they say "driver upgrades will becone available" they NEVER DO. once you buy it they cut&run. you get only the (32bit) driver they originally released. trust me.
NOW LOOK ABOVE AND SEE WHO'S BULL IS IN THE CHINA SHOP.
(as for tech news: china makes ARM chips also their own custom MALI and phone chip for huawei, ie Kirin - some say taiwan some say china made. This isn't abnormal they are all "doing it". google tensor, apple silicon, samsung exynos (which is made by samsung factory not tsmc), mediatek is another story but different nonetheless; mediatek were the original "all-in-one" for cell phones - while others are newly all-in-one)
the tech news tells you China is not attempting a "market conforming" platform but a dominant position - just like the rest are
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
hhj54
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Date: January 05, 2023 08:42PM
(arcane knowlege: MT was first to put modem inside the all-in-one, freeing cellphone makers from the hastle, while snapdragon followed suit later. but an avid PC microsoft linux user knows Mt chips were around before cellphones even, doing multimedia in this device or that)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
correction
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Date: January 05, 2023 08:51PM
(arcane again: i shouldn't have opened that can. USA was first to have a modem in a processor chip - but multimedia was not on it. that's going the other way around.)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
3hy54
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Date: January 05, 2023 09:12PM
Huawei's Kirin line of processors were once a main rival for Qualcomm's Snapdragon mobile SoC series, particularly at the higher end. However, they have been sanctioned out of existence by the US government. There have been rumors of their return in 2023; however, the OEM has reportedly dismissed them as fake news.
MY NEWS: IT'S FAKE NEWS. Obama has never kept any chinese product out of the usa.
(chart does NOT include "google tensor" (which "is not snapdragon") or mediatek, but shows that these are all DIFFERENT)
DIFFERENT means headaches for Android design.
example: pick a font. needs to match grid of screen to be correct.
example: pick settings width for setting WIFI on the phone... if your short, not all of it will fit, and users cannot change the setting). needs to FIT on screen and be supported by chipset. it's not a small problem. android hackers like adding cool gui elements that "work on the phone they are holding" and aren't too smart on what happens on other phones: and if they DO: that's time and money spent on supporting a phone they didn't make or get paid for
example: accelerate a game. there are countless chips and accelerations are not all the same once you leave a small common area. horrendous. if your "GTA5" and making sales, you might venture
example: multimedia. same as game acceleration - no easy answers once "simple playback" already supported is altered or not the goal.
example: update android version. as it turns out: they don't all update easily - some must wait for MFG to offer it due to keys customers have not heard of. but android have to work around NOT releasing updates that cause problems.
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
098gg
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Date: January 05, 2023 09:18PM
CHINA, TSMC taiwan, and SAMSUNG have factories and make the chips.
HOWEVER, the various companies "upload designs" (like apple). this is where you see "domination strategies" (designs that knock each other out using the same basic lithography). they are uploading what goes on silicon (from home).
is USA totally out? that's actually changing as I write. but our SoC makers all outsorced to TSMC (with ibm lithography technology at tsmc btw). but they may in future change that: end of story. THEY ARE OUT still.
hacking in silicon to be printed instead of software: is what these companies are doing. they don't make anything. but they do try to "exclude each other" (ie, exclusive graphics that work only when targeted for their platform)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
tg3h43
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Date: January 05, 2023 09:20PM
OFF-TOPIC: OFTEN HACKING IN SILICON IS USED TO CONTROL THE NON-SILICON MARKET (ie, attack linux support or make non-ubuntu linux monsterous to make use of)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
3wrhh5
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Date: January 06, 2023 04:10AM
Now huawei start promising open development with google. I like that. I don't know if they "followed through" but they did contribute some open code to Google i read. (tends to be chinese never release hardware secrets)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
3tg3hb35
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Date: January 07, 2023 02:45PM
Texas - SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR
Nov 23, 2021 — Samsung's $17 billion investment in a new facility will boost production of advanced semiconductors. The largest-ever investment by Samsung ...
Samsung Picks Texas for $17 Billion U.S. Semiconductor Plant
Nov 23, 2021 — The new plant will augment Samsung's already sizable presence in Austin, where it's invested about $17 billion to date on a sprawling complex ...
SO THAT IS GOOD BUT ...
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they will of course be using chinese parts ?
USA was/is famous in 1990's for building factories in china and having this happen: china building "the same factory" next door and sometimes even taking equipment from the usa factory into the chinese factory to "help them out". And doing nothing about it. Xiden Biden types.
You likely won't see that happen in Texas. And they likely will be using chinese parts.
a) ribbon connector cable (china)
b) plastic cases (china)
c) electrical connectors like USB-C (china)
c) gorilla glass (likely imported, they cite multiple sources always means they are lying)
d) gps (italy reportedly for iphone, likely china)
e) chips: TSMC taiwan (samsung makes EXYNOS chips in Korea, this won't be in the samsung USA factory i imagine)
SO YOU SEE ... while usa production and availability will be up and provide jobs in George Bush Texas
it's not really taking a bite outta china 300:0 for usa
For example: Virginia has not a single facility for assembling printed electronic boards. all "yellow pages" and web hits that pretend to be Virginia based - when you spy into actually having a board printed - lead to manufacturers in china
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Another great wonder is how APPLE claims it taught china to fabricate cell phones (designed and delivered mfg equipment to their factory in china) - which they showed in investment video on youtube - yet USA needs invest in Samsung to get the same back in USA. Apple has made a PC facility in USA (currently using Intel, but apple has never been beholden to Motorola/Intel may switch to chinese ARM).
FINALLY - USA importing everything and exporting nothing isn't a sustainable model. It's just too obvious. But rich democrats know that. They are financial terrorists.
300:0
it just is beyond believe USA makes NOTHING consumers use.
also not made in USA: any electronics that go into buildings. (if you live in an apartment, your building's wifi is from china)
You'd think with shipping fees that everything HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMMERCIAL would be from USA. That isn't so either.
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
5jnynm5
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Date: January 07, 2023 03:05PM
Asians complained greatly that INTEL could not enable PHONE in PC, because due to shipping (light weight phones) it would ruin their business "NOT FAIR".
However the 5 tigers have used sleeping Intel to "try to topple intel and texas instruments".
So there is that also. It's true it would be BETTER if things had been left where usa doesn't compete in the light-weight market.
WHAT ? WHO IS LEFT TO COMPETE WITH 5 TIGERS IF NO ONE COMPETES?
But my real motive is sustainability.
1) China can do nothing but start a war if the worth demands they "make them everything" more and they have not more to deliver on some day, ran out
2) USA needs to stand on it's own feet, not play games and wait for imports to arrive
3) DANGER TO USA if war or natural disaster suddenly cuts off SUPPLY from china haven't nothign to do with "choice"
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
t5h4j
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Date: January 07, 2023 03:19PM
it would be nice if countries had resource quotas depending on disance and natural ability
but there are and will be BILL CLIINTON BILL GATES
Competition / Capitolism should remove it , but there is STEALING THE VOTE also - and using usa schools as "spy facilities by foreigners to pay them to be HERE and take our money too"
EVENTUALLY - THERE HAS TO BE INTERVENTION - when usa is running without any form of commercial organization (meaning strategy)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
rghjn46
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Date: January 07, 2023 03:25PM
* many people don't know about ALLOT OF CHEATING DURING BILL CLINTON
* asians cut off wires to make electronics NON-REPAIRABLE - consumers were powerless - it's all stores would sell their other choice WAS REMOVED
* SILK SCREEN FLIM FLAMS - companies like Apple printed USA names on asian chips to hide they were outsourcing from consumers - and lied in advertising about it. (cheap white letters instead of laser engraved letters on chips: that's how you know)
* ILLEGAL PARTS. I can show you a Tektronics power supply with LM (texas) that have very badly printed labels. while a few of the LM were clean and clearly authentic. THEY ARE CHINESE the board was assembled in china. the product says "Made in USA". it was not, that was a LIE. CLINTON. what's more - the product was MILITARY AND GOV FUNDED mostly (the customer base). bill clinton: an employee of china like his wife
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
hn6t4
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Date: January 08, 2023 03:58PM
you'd think there'd be some sad trac phone or even satellite phone still in production by Motorola or who, which is hard to find since sellers don't list it because it never sells.
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
tnmk6
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Date: January 08, 2023 04:12PM
you'd think you could build a "mostly USA" cell one if you had a mind to ... NOPE
the MODEM almost must be inside the SoC chip (to be competitive). it IS in the (few to several) asian chips which is A USA ROCKWELL CHIPSET put inside asian chips (these chips have allot of memory so that several chips can all fit in one chip)
HERE'S WHY YOU CAN'T: 128, 256, 512 pins. it means the chip makers use "the maximum pins they can IN THE WORST CONFIGURATIN" (square lattice) for a CIRCUIT BOARD. it's a form of "warfare escallation and market dominance" in pinnage you can say. always was. infact Japan sells modern nGigabyte memory WITHOUT a lattice: which means they are "not attacking".
* it's absolutely impossible to make your own circuit board - kind needed
* (see GE below). Parts are all asian since BILL CLINTON. they don't translate the specs unless you buy 20,000. that makes being a student (during clinton) absolutely impossible. it also means your f'ed because your made in china before you start.
* VIRGINIA has no BOARD PRINTING FACILITY open to developers: VA TECH, when they go to print a board (the mis-informed assholes they are) - all the yellowbook numbers lead to CHINESE COMPANIES (or taiwan or 5 tiger). You might find a usa place that for a big price would print you one: but they are not advertising they are military or something - and not doing anything consumer. 3d printer don't make me $$$$$$ to china barf, those are made in china and kill any chance of profit or necessary high speed productivity.
* pin reduction talk by intel was a lie: they are escalating
THE PROBLEM WITH BUY PARTS AND MAKE YOUR OWN: IS YOU CAN'T.
(there were many other CLINTON era physical attacks on USA small production - cut&bend wires is one, multi-layer circuits another, secret chinese plans while usa "shared", china putting fake designs in USA's circuit forums another, General Electric outsourcing to china - who make same parts a little different so taht all past usa circuit diagrams are now invalid: another. but the list is very long. any disadvantage plausible is one they jumped all over and helped china with.)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
hgr5h5
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Date: January 08, 2023 04:49PM
so hobby only, i looked into building a Cell Phone. SoC have "all built-in" and only made-in china ...
example: USB used to be available PCI. nobody makes it. why is obvious: there isn't a single chip left that isn't a SoC on the market. all have USB builtin.
* Intel have no modem, wifi6 hits cell towers but AT&T intently refuses the call - Intel took bribe (well known and published) for this
* YOU CAN'T BUY THE MODEM. since Rockwell chips (easily found on electronic sites in past). They went underground. Two major california companies (snapdragon and the other) made small CPU with built-in modems (they stole rockwell onto a smaller chip). THEY OUTSOURCED IT ALL TO CHINA. but even while they made "modem modules" sierra or what - they were NOT on the market. they were all hush hush can't buy one.
* ANOTHER: today all the SoC have a built-in modem and require it to be 5G. that means 0 absolute NO CHANCE you can find any manufacture of a MODEM. period. you get one of the SoC or no chance. ALL THE SOC ARE OUTSOURCED TO: TSMC (china), samsung
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
4THN4
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Date: January 08, 2023 04:50PM
technically you can "make your own modem" but the process is a very long one Rockwell already did and sold to consumer electronics. it's not that it's hard it's that there is "a large table of minor things to insure"
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
45yhj65
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Date: January 08, 2023 05:38PM
Now. I said "long list" to build a modem.
The parts: about $2 to $15 for extremely high speed better than u bitch one, from Texas.
The list is very long due to competition (network hacks) but also legitimate reasons (wave banding).
Rockwell did a long list of minor details all in silicon (just buy it, done). Since then MANY DETAILS ARE ADDED. So now it's a DOUBLE very very long list of stupid details.
HOWEVER: bonus is today there are $1 chips that can program the dac adc (to be a modem or oscilloscope infact). just software upload the $1 chip.
But is making a MODEM from a DAC ADC an unusual skill? NO. But the lists of minor details are VERY VERY VERY long and some are proprietary (they won't share the minor details.
INFACT - it's not an unusual skill anyone who makes a circuit uses these minor skills on most any hobby circuit. small stuff.
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
h45hg43
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Date: January 08, 2023 05:40PM
(in the "made your own modem" rockwell chip days - and I had one, used it, inspected but did not build it myself ... there were no $1 SoC processors to program the adc dac. you had to buy with that built-in unless you had money to use an "extra Intel chip" which nobody had.)
Re: HUGE REPORT: China 300 phone models 1-2 yr, Samsung 4-8, USA 0,0 (fabless)
Posted by:
jykm75
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Date: January 16, 2023 07:28PM
The IT Guy Wrote:
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> Just a riminder.
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> BTW, try turning you're computer off and
> restarting. Sometimes that helps.
total democrat asshole trying to cover the ass of microsoft datacenters, and why there's global protests about them "hacking us using supercomputer centers"