Carla: Trust me, II, I've been talking to Cary at length about the subject.

I pulled it out and was going to cut it down and add some appropriate sad music, but, I think it is actually the type of thing we have been wanting out of the show, so if anyone wants to listen to just this part, here it is. It is about 8 minutes.

https://soundcloud.com/bubby-man/mikealcohol



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I just remembered what may have brought it up on the show. During the opening, they tried to question the interns about what they knew about the guys and one of the last questions by Oscar was "When Mike was drinking, what was his favorite drink?". The questions were being made up on they fly so this probably brought it out enough for Mike to talk about it.

My takeaway from Mike's visit to Urgent Care: his big complaint was that the receptionist didn't smile enough. Robb went out on a limb and agreed with him.

Shouldn't the emphasis be on Jr's treatment? The King could care less about the receptionist's attitude. His nascent sense of entitlement will take years to develop. All he cares about now is eating, pooping, and feeling better. He has decades of complaining ahead of him, and a whole world of people who won't live up to his expectations. And he will be tutored by the master.

My wife does medical billing. She says receptionists get abused routinely by people demanding priority because they are sick or injured. News flash: it's a fuckiing urgent care center; EVERYONE is sick or injured!

If the receptionist had flashed a big smile at Mike, he would have said, "wipe that phony grin off your face; my kid is sick, and you're telling me I have to fill out paperwork!"

BTW, a lot of these people are making $12-14 an hour. So there's a high burnout rate and lots of churn.

If Mike would start paying higher premiums, maybe these centers could attract happier receptionists. Because when your kid is sick, what is more important than a great customer experience for the parents?

Cary: Congrats to Mike, and his far better half, Carla, with the help of Michael, Jr., on his public acknowledgement of his first steps toward recovery.



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I am actually impressed with Mike's prolonged (for him) abstinence from alcohol, and for his on-air admission, however offhand it was. However, it seems that alcoholism may just be a manifestation of an even more serious problem with his personality. Can he continue to change for the better? Will it make the show any better? I hope he will continue to share these things. It can only help his listenership, IMO.

I just realized I need to take a sabbatical from the show. As others have already stated on this thread, I'm finding Mike's nonstop negativity about his fairly mundane existence to be contagious. I listen to the show and just get pissed off at all the crap he says. I hate Robb correcting Oscar's grammar. I wish Oscar would call Mike out on more of his bullshit. I hate the way they treat their interns. If ball busting is one way, it's just bullying.

The best part of TMOS is this thread. I just wish Mike had the balls to devote a weekly segment to reading the Top Ten comments posted on this forum. I think he would be pleasantly surprised by the response. And he might actually grow from the experience.

Keep up the good work, guys.

Switching to Lurker mode...

I am relieved that Mike has finally seen that stories of blackouts and puking and high school drunkenness are really not very funny. I'm relieved that he is seeing that booze is responsible for most of what he doesn't like about his life. I'm happy now that he is 55 to realize that it is possible to socialize without being smashed.

The show will turn around as he wakes up. Meanwhile, he should talk about me.



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I don't think booze made Mike a horrible human being. I think Mike is a horrible human being and the booze only amplified it. Even if Mike stays off the sauce, I don't think his marriage will survive his petty, narcistic and abusive behavior. Having a spouse who rages every time a receptionist or waitress doesn't meet his unrealistic expectations is bound to get very, very old.

Pork Chop Suitcase Wrote:
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> Is this the first time Mike has actually admitted
> to being an alcoholic?


Yes...In a non-joking way...

407...Semper Fat...
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Intractable Insobriety Wrote:
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> Will Spewak follow suit?


No...No he will not...This is Mike's weight-not...He'll blow it, He's Mike for God's sake...

First Step of 12 Wrote:
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> I'm glad Mike has finally acknowledged his
> problem. It is a process, but soon he definitely
> going to need to get rid if the liquor cabinet. He
> also needs to start making amends with people. Not
> sure Mike's ego is up for apologizing to Buzz,
> Ronic and RJ for his drunken outbursts and
> hangover-induced no shows. I also wonder what
> prompted the change. You would think throwing a
> suitcase at your pregnant wife would have been
> enough.

Apparently he did something lower than throwing the suitcase at his pregnant wife...Probably involved his new born son....Something so bad, he won't bring it up....

When's the pamphlet signing at Jimmy's? I thought it was this weekend, but in the failcast's standard promotional procedure, I can't find any mention of it on the site or facebook page. Carla, you've got to be concerned about the recent sobriety surviving this visit.

Goddammit. If Mike actually stays off the booze, I might have to grudgingly respect him.

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> Goddammit. If Mike actually stays off the booze, I
> might have to grudgingly respect him.


Why? He's still a negligent father/husband who acts like a child and always makes it about him....It's actually harder to excuse his horrible behavior if you can't blame it on the booze no?

He misses it. Oscar saying if didn't define you and hack sayings about new chapters etc. What garbage. Plus the man is a liar so who knows if any of this is real.

Alky Sommers Wrote:
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> I don't think booze made Mike a horrible human
> being. I think Mike is a horrible human being and
> the booze only amplified it. Even if Mike stays
> off the sauce, I don't think his marriage will
> survive his petty, narcistic and abusive behavior.
> Having a spouse who rages every time a
> receptionist or waitress doesn't meet his
> unrealistic expectations is bound to get very,
> very old.

We have heard countless stories (not too exaggerated, it seems, given the corroboration we also have heard) of Mike's frequent awful behavior in his (sober) day-to-day interactions with almost everyone he experiences. For him to acknowledge how being drunk made him a mean, nasty person to others, can we imagine how awful he was in those booze-fueled encounters? Thanks to Carla, I imagine, for holding up a mirror to him.

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> > Goddammit. If Mike actually stays off the booze,
> I
> > might have to grudgingly respect him.
>
>
> Why? He's still a negligent father/husband who
> acts like a child and always makes it about
> him....It's actually harder to excuse his horrible
> behavior if you can't blame it on the booze no?

True fat true fat.


Autocorrect changed d a t to fat - good call autocorrect!

peekza Wrote:
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> Pork Chop Suitcase Wrote:
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> > Is this the first time Mike has actually
> admitted
> > to being an alcoholic?
>
>
> Yes...In a non-joking way...

And you notice how helper Spewak piped in with the comment that LFF's drinking was a part of his "on-air persona?" Yeesh.

My prediction is that the putrid Cake and Cookies will very quickly become just a series of drunken doggie voices. It's almost there already. Now that booze references and stories will likely become verboten on TMOS, Spewak will have to save them for C&C. Problem is that he, unlike LFF, usually drinks alone at home, watching old movies in his basement until he nods off. Not much material for podcast segment(s) there.

Lack of material, however, hasn't stopped him and Katie so far. They beat on, like boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.



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No fucking way Spewak stops the booze. It's the only way he can tolerate being around himself.

peekza Wrote:
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> First Step of 12 Wrote:
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> > I'm glad Mike has finally acknowledged his
> > problem. It is a process, but soon he
> definitely
> > going to need to get rid if the liquor cabinet.
> He
> > also needs to start making amends with people.
> Not
> > sure Mike's ego is up for apologizing to Buzz,
> > Ronic and RJ for his drunken outbursts and
> > hangover-induced no shows. I also wonder what
> > prompted the change. You would think throwing a
> > suitcase at your pregnant wife would have been
> > enough.
>
> Apparently he did something lower than throwing
> the suitcase at his pregnant wife...Probably
> involved his new born son....Something so bad, he
> won't bring it up....

My guess it involved overserved Mike's reaction to Michael, Jr. once painfully latching on to the closest thing to him -- one of Mike's ear lobes.

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> Since my last post, EVERY post is about ME. Yes,
> this hurts.


Is this really the kind of attention you desired? Your wife certainly doesn't appreciate it Champ
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Alky Sommers Wrote:
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> I don't think booze made Mike a horrible human
> being. I think Mike is a horrible human being and
> the booze only amplified it. Even if Mike stays
> off the sauce, I don't think his marriage will
> survive his petty, narcistic and abusive behavior.
> Having a spouse who rages every time a
> receptionist or waitress doesn't meet his
> unrealistic expectations is bound to get very,
> very old.


You are correct...Mike is just as horrible and negligent a person stone sober...That would be a wake up call if I were Carla

Yes, much like Rob's racism is "just a hilarious comedy bit"....except HBS is into "nazis are sooooo funny" too and he doesn't have a pretend radio show...

Holly Shit!

She is awful. Maybe Enzo should save the watch $ and put it into plastic surgery on that thing.

To be honest, Enzo's wife looks exactly as I envisioned her. Guys who use words like "Champ" usually have wives like this.

Intractable Insobriety Wrote:
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> peekza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First Step of 12 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I'm glad Mike has finally acknowledged his
> > > problem. It is a process, but soon he
> > definitely
> > > going to need to get rid if the liquor
> cabinet.
> > He
> > > also needs to start making amends with
> people.
> > Not
> > > sure Mike's ego is up for apologizing to
> Buzz,
> > > Ronic and RJ for his drunken outbursts and
> > > hangover-induced no shows. I also wonder what
> > > prompted the change. You would think throwing
> a
> > > suitcase at your pregnant wife would have
> been
> > > enough.
> >
> > Apparently he did something lower than throwing
> > the suitcase at his pregnant wife...Probably
> > involved his new born son....Something so bad,
> he
> > won't bring it up....
>
> My guess it involved overserved Mike's reaction to
> Michael, Jr. once painfully latching on to the
> closest thing to him -- one of Mike's ear lobes.


whatever it was, we can all agree that it was the baby's fault...it certainly wasn't Mike's

We should leave Elmo E. Neuman's wife alone, she didn't do anything.

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> We should leave Elmo E. Neuman's wife alone, she
> didn't do anything.


Jeff knew he was playing with fire...He's getting exactly what he wanted...aren't you Jeff?

Maybe Carla finally realized normal moms are able to leave their kid with their spouses for a few hours to go to work or grocery shop without fear of returning home to find their spouse passed out and the kid at the bottom of a flight of stairs. Consider Carla's actions as "child-proofing" Mike.

Poor Jarla has two children to care for at home.

peekza Wrote:
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> enzo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Since my last post, EVERY post is about ME.
> Yes,
> > this hurts.
>
>
> Is this really the kind of attention you desired?
> Your wife certainly doesn't appreciate it Champ


They look related to me. WV natives?

Neither my wife nor am I ashamed of pics of her. She is 60. I think she looks pretty good for her age. 30 years ago she could have made Penthouse, easy.

No, Mike, no WV relatives. She's from Texas.

Where are the photos of me and my race bikes? Do I need to post them? I will. I love the attention. MORE PICS!!!!!!

Where is the photo of me and Conan? Don't crop them you pussies. I will gladly supply a new photo with every pic. I like to get hits on them. They go up on Google images with more hits.

Mike FINALLY publicly admits to his alcoholism and his efforts to get clean, serious talk, and it's constant interruptions and shtick from Robb and attempts to minimalist/downplay from Oscar. It's like guys if there was ever a time to just shut the fuck up and listen, now is that time. Nope - not those two clowns.

Jeff, you and I both know Debra isn't 60 yet.

If Enzo really didn't have an issue with the posting of personal pictures, he would post the bike photos himself. What's your supposed end game, Enzo? Acting like it doesn't bother you? Mike ignored this thread for six years, yet here it is.

i cringe when Mike and his team of yokels talk politics or current events. because they're clueless! they get basic facts wrong and jabber on about things they know very little about. i don't pretend to know a lot about things myself.. but i read the papers, listen to the news. i know enough to know that most of the time these guys get the basic facts wrong or jumbled. And then they draw misguided conclusions from their false "facts" and go on and on about them. omg. i haate when they do that. why don't they just avoid talking about things they know so little about.

Enzo business: I think she looks like a really nice person, and it's just one picture but her smile at Enzo says they have a happy relationship.

Alcoholism: Mike addressing being an alcoholic without it being a "ha ha, Irish flu" or "overserved" joke is one of the biggest things that's ever happened on the show, along with Kara and Oscar, and Buzz leaving (twice). I hope he's in a program with people who support him. This could be the end of the Big Duffs, and the restaurant fights, and the missed shows, and who knows how much stress on his relationship. Carla's a great influence on him between encouraging him to exercise and diet and confront the alcoholism. You know she loves him and cares about the relationship, or she wouldn't be working so hard for him and fighting for him. And heck, unless he replaces it with food, he'll probably start passively losing weight, too.

Great Segue: On Friday's DGS, Don said he's down to 236 after almost hitting 300 a year ago, just by changing his diet and eating responsibly. No plan, per se, just taking care of himself.



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Enzo Be Scareded Wrote:
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> If Enzo really didn't have an issue with the
> posting of personal pictures, he would post the
> bike photos himself. What's your supposed end
> game, Enzo? Acting like it doesn't bother you?
> Mike ignored this thread for six years, yet here
> it is.


FYI...His Biker Handle is Seymore Grooves...Hand to God

David M Wrote:
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> Enzo business: I think she looks like a really
> nice person, and it's just one picture but her
> smile at Enzo says they have a happy
> relationship.
>
> Alcoholism: Mike addressing being an alcoholic
> without it being a "ha ha, Irish flu" or
> "overserved" joke is one of the biggest things
> that's ever happened on the show, along with Kara
> and Oscar, and Buzz leaving (twice). I hope he's
> in a program with people who support him. This
> could be the end of the Big Duffs, and the
> restaurant fights, and the missed shows, and who
> knows how much stress on his relationship. Carla's
> a great influence on him between encouraging him
> to exercise and diet and confront the alcoholism.
> You know she loves him and cares about the
> relationship, or she wouldn't be working so hard
> for him and fighting for him. And heck, unless he
> replaces it with food, he'll probably start
> passively losing weight, too.
>
> Great Segue: On Friday's DGS, Don said he's down
> to 236 after almost hitting 300 a year ago, just
> by changing his diet and eating responsibly. No
> plan, per se, just taking care of himself.


You've seen the recent screen caps Dave...Does it look like he has lost any weight in his 4 and a half month journey into sobriety?

Let's face it, Mike has more than a few listeners. Some of those listeners are likely addicts/alcoholics not yet in treatment and could benefit from hearing the real, full story behind Mike's road to recovery (up to this point). Mike, I know you read this thread, so maybe you'd consider opening up and inspiring some of your listeners to take the big first step. Do some real 12th-step work. You have the floor, use it so that others may benefit from your struggles.

Hollywood Wrote:
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> Mike FINALLY publicly admits to his
> alcoholism and his efforts to get clean, serious
> talk, and it's constant interruptions and shtick
> from Robb and attempts to minimalist/downplay from
> Oscar. It's like guys if there was ever a time to
> just shut the fuck up and listen, now is that
> time. Nope - not those two clowns.


I agree but of course Spewak was the worst offender. I think Oscar would have had a serious discussion about it with LFF if Headd wasn't there. Obviously Headd was very uncomfortable with the conversation because he's got his own drinking issues. (He has referred to his vast alcohol inventory as being there for "when we have people over." Who the hell does he have over?) Therefore, he needed to constantly throw his shitty quips in. Do you think the ever-expanding Spewak felt more than a bit uneasy when Oscar said to LFF "and it's better for your health"?

Oh and to Carla, having Mike open up to his listeners might add another level of accountability to his continuing efforts to stay sober. Something to think about.

Mike, do what you're comfortable with. I just figured since you took the time to open up on the show, and Robb and Oscar basically sidelined a conversation that you must have weighed heavily before deciding to have, you should get done honest, non-cackling hyena feedback.

peekza Wrote:
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> David M Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> >...And heck, unless he
> > replaces it with food, he'll probably start
> > passively losing weight, too.


> You've seen the recent screen caps Dave...Does it
> look like he has lost any weight in his 4 and a
> half month journey into sobriety?

No, I really don't see a difference. However, if he has lost 18 pounds at 1 per week (I'm assuming he hasn't changed his diet otherwise) out of ~350, would we be able to tell?

I really don't know. I'm just hoping for the best.

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> FYI...His Biker Handle is Seymore Grooves...Hand
> to God


Come now Peekza, you should show your sources....

I have to agree. Enzo this probably was not the best group of people to piss off.

On some level it has to occur to Rob that Carla sees him as the problem, right? Mike spent 90% of his drinking time with Rob. Mike didn't see Jimmy every day and I don't think Oscar is alcohol dependent like Rob. Carla sold their house for a loss and moved Mike as far away from Rob as possible. It has to occur to Rob that Carla sees him as a major problem.

I want to be one of the milk toast posters who grave us with:

"Awe come on guys that is off limits".

"I didn't think it was that bad a segment".

"Mike is trying".

I will try and act like I am the voice of reason and oh so moderate.

Sober Rob Wrote:
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> On some level it has to occur to Rob that Carla
> sees him as the problem, right? Mike spent 90% of
> his drinking time with Rob. Mike didn't see Jimmy
> every day and I don't think Oscar is alcohol
> dependent like Rob. Carla sold their house for a
> loss and moved Mike as far away from Rob as
> possible. It has to occur to Rob that Carla sees
> him as a major problem.

I don't think Mike drinks that much with Robb. He did most of his drinking at Jimmy's and/or out with Officer Jerky or other friends. Mike and Robb never really socialized outside work. They would certainly *commiserate* about their drinking, although I can't think of any stories where Robb "problem drank" (minus Cake and Cookies, below). He has the equivalent of 4-6 drinks a night most nights, I think (not that big a deal for someone his size), but he's never missed work from drinking and I don't *think* it's caused any domestic problems, either. Robb and Katie's drinking together is the worst for him I think, but that's because it's become a buddy thing for them.

Oscar binge drinks socially which, doctors and mommies aside, seems relatively normal. It's gotten him in minor trouble a couple times, but he no problem holding down work or maintaining relationships.

Robb is definitely an enabler, however, because he thinks he's being a friend or bringing the funny when he downplays or normalizes Mike's abuse.



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Props to Mike for acknowledging his alcoholism. Shame on Rob for contributing to it and for pretending it is all podcasting "schtick." Rob continues to demonstrate why he is a piece of shit human being.

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> Props to Mike for acknowledging his alcoholism.
> Shame on Rob for contributing to it and for
> pretending it is all podcasting "schtick." Rob
> continues to demonstrate why he is a piece of
> human bein...

Maybe Rob knows something Mike is not telling his wife or audience.

It's no mistake Carla made Mike go home a day early. If Mike ends up on a trip to NoVA without her, the local Days Inn will see flying pork chops and suitcases. My greatest respect is for Carla in this situation. That said, she's going to have to play the part of "the bitch" for the next 18 years. She may have it in her, but that's a lot to ask of anyone. Especially when the person you are trying to help is incapable of appreciating why it's being done.

partly cloudy Wrote:
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> i cringe when Mike and his team of yokels talk
> politics or current events. because they're
> clueless! they get basic facts wrong and jabber
> on about things they know very little about. i
> don't pretend to know a lot about things myself..
> but i read the papers, listen to the news. i know
> enough to know that most of the time these guys
> get the basic facts wrong or jumbled. And then
> they draw misguided conclusions from their false
> "facts" and go on and on about them. omg. i haate
> when they do that. why don't they just avoid
> talking about things they know so little about.

Not to pick on you, but it amazing to me that college graduates think they are getting accurate information from the papers, TV and press. Does it ever occur to anyone that MUCH information is secret????? Really, there is no such thing as a full report "fair and balanced" and all that shit. If you read a story, it is only a partial picture. NO ONE knows what is going on in secret. Secret agreements, secret movement of money, secret deals, secret fake troops, false flag ops, spies, agents posing as journalists, disinformation.....it goes on and on. Why argue about shit in the papers like you know anything??

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> Jeff, you and I both know Debra isn't 60 yet.


What kind of a shut-in retard are you? Am I still Robb or Lorenzo? Am I Mike? Am I David M (is that the watch guy????).

You have a lot of theories. Here is the difference between me and you. I wouldn't spend 5 seconds to run down dirt on you - even if I knew where to get it.

I'm like the awesome Bill Clinton: I DON'T GIVE A SHIT MR. STARR. Clinton is fantastic. Everywhere he goes he gets a standing ovation and a $100,000 check for 20 minutes of his time. Suck on that Ken Starr.

I know none of you geeks recognize that bike, but it is for bad ass riders. That is a no joke machine. Mike couldn't even get first gear going on that thing. Try this when you are approaching 60.

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> What kind of a shut-in retard are you? Am I still
> Robb or Lorenzo? Am I Mike? Am I David M (is
> that the watch guy????).
>

No, Mike D is the guy who was talking watches with you. I'm the guy who said your wife looks like a nice person and you have a good relationship with her. Am I wrong?



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Drinky Drinky Wrote:
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> It's no mistake Carla made Mike go home a day
> early. If Mike ends up on a trip to NoVA without
> her, the local Days Inn will see flying pork chops
> and suitcases. My greatest respect is for Carla in
> this situation. That said, she's going to have to
> play the part of "the bitch" for the next 18
> years. She may have it in her, but that's a lot to
> ask of anyone. Especially when the person you are
> trying to help is incapable of appreciating why
> it's being done.

Can't be worth it. So LFF isn't an angry drunk. For the time being. Even if it lasts, how much happier is Junior's childhood really going to be if his father resents the hell out of his mother? But there is a third option. Carla takes the boy and go back to VA. Right now, I think that is the way it will eventually all end.

Enzo is an moron, I suggest we simply ignore it from this point on.

Anything it says gets no response.

By the way, WHERE IS THE OAKTON WINE SHOP IDIOT? Anyone else interested in defamation?

And, yes, David M, I appreciate your comment. We do have a wonderful relationship. My wife and kid are big fans of the Champ.


....and now getting back to the others - "GO GET YER FUCKIN SHINE BOX!"

I can't understand why you guys keep engaging Elmo. Just ignoring him and he will go away. i have not acknowledged that weirdo in pages. I really hesitated doing so now but it just seems like you guys won't stop with him and so he just keeps posting. He will get bored and leave if you just don't bother even mentioning his name. The guy sucks.

Are we still playing??

Enzo is all over the map now, second the motion just to ignore his old ass.

Now I'm in your dreams. Watch out, I'm under your bed! Do I look like I scare easy? Crazy fuckin German is right.

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> > Jeff, you and I both know Debra isn't 60 yet.
>
>
> What kind of a shut-in retard are you? Am I still
> Robb or Lorenzo? Am I Mike? Am I David M (is
> that the watch guy????).
>
> You have a lot of theories. Here is the
> difference between me and you. I wouldn't spend 5
> seconds to run down dirt on you - even if I knew
> where to get it.
>
> I'm like the awesome Bill Clinton: I DON'T GIVE A
> SHIT MR. STARR. Clinton is fantastic. Everywhere
> he goes he gets a standing ovation and a $100,000
> check for 20 minutes of his time. Suck on that
> Ken Starr.


Enzo wentz a courtin' he did go um huh um huh?

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> > FYI...His Biker Handle is Seymore
> Grooves...Hand
> > to God
>
>
> Come now Peekza, you should show your sources....
>
> I have to agree. Enzo this probably was not the
> best group of people to piss off.


Check your PMs CBH

You have your group and I have mine.

Tough guy!
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Nice

Man, Fugazi is the only honest thing that ever came out of that shitty town of impostors, dictators and creeps you live in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEqasj1uMI

LOL @ Weight Not

Weight Not - Want Not

Mike's apparent sobriety has survived Valentines Day (OK, not that hard), St. Patrick's Day (for him, wow), the move to FL, Memorial Day, and a return to JOTT. Next up: his birthday, then Jr.'s.

Oh, and Father's Day (prob why he was so unhappy that day) and the upcoming Maine trip -- with hard drinkers Spewak and Santana (get back, Satan!) -- the hardest test of all. As with the return to DC last month, Carla will be there to enforce.

Carla: You forgot all the days ending in "y."

This was the type of thing Mr. Spewack would say. The alcohol did define him to some not insignificant extent, based on everything he's told us seriously and in jest. People don't quit drinking for the reasons he described of alcohol didn't define them.

I just don't understand supporting (or kissing up to) someone by telling them things that seem false.

Oscar isn't usually a culprit, but he certainly has done it on both TMOS and BOAD. He's told Chad that he isn't racist, for crying out loud. My friends know that I'm very supportive of them, but they also know that I'm not going to lie to make something sounds better.

MrsTheBooze Wrote:
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> Oscar saying it didn't define you
> and hack sayings about new chapters etc.

Another thought: The regular fans must not have any memory, day to day.

For one, they can tolerate certain things and justify them like its a one time occurrence. Just amazing that they don't notice a preponderance of evidence when it comes to anything TMOS.

Also, didn't we know that he quit drinking FROM LISTENING TO THE SHOW? There was a soft announcement, with periodical updates sprinkled in. I don't respect the typical fan very much, but their cluelessness here is astounding.

Thanks for bringing up this point relating to the Constitution and federal courts. Is that some sort of conspiracy far-right (or far-left??? It's so odd it could go to any extreme) beliefs. You certainly can claim constitutional defenses in federal court.

This is my final post in a row haha. Was on the road with terrib

Puzzy crushing the dude we shall not name:
> > Now here is an int data coverage, so I opted to stream rather than surf.eresting POLITICAL question:
> > Did you know that the Constitution does not
> give
> > individuals any rights at all?
>
> As an actual attorney, I have argued in a
> published article that the $20 threshold in the
> seventh amendment regarding trial by jury removes
> rights from some and therefore implicitly grants
> them to others. Your bringing this up simply
> shows that you listen to talk radio (check) or
> look at the internet (check). It's not a sign of
> being a champ.
>
>
> > If you bring up the Constitution as the basis
> of
> > your defense in a Federal Court, your lawyer
> will
> > be charged with contempt. Isn't that
> > interesting?
>
> Again, As an actual attorney, no, hearing
> you talk out of your ass is not at all
> interesting.
>
>
> > In other words, DON'T FUCK WITH THE FEDERAL
> > COURTS. Now go get your shine box.
>
> Again with the threats.

Carla: I'm not an enforcer. I laid it out simply to him: a) alcohol, or b) me and his son. Choose.

Cary: I've thought about giving Robb that ultimatum. I'm afraid he'd choose me and our family, so I haven't.

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> Cary: I've thought about giving Robb that
> ultimatum. I'm afraid he'd choose me and our
> family, so I haven't.


Oh shit....that is funnier than anything your hackopotamus of a husband has said

I really think may be Carla posting here. The insights and tone seem too dead-on.

I wonder if either of the Spewack children post here...yet...

Mike has taken the "it's all about me" tour back to DC, Arlington Cemetery to be exact. I espescially like the quick contradiction of everyone should go, but it's not for tourists aspect.
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> I wonder if either of the Spewack children post
> here...yet...


Since Rob regularly restricts their internet access, it's probably only when they are at a friends, or at school, or from their phones.

I'm sure fat Mike bellowing at "tourists" about their crying two-year-olds fits right in with "silence and respect." Glad to see Mike has appointed himself to do the job of all the military personnel and park rangers on the grounds of the cemetery. Booze free and as big an ass as ever.

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> Mike has taken the "it's all about me" tour back
> to DC, Arlington Cemetery to be exact.

Seven sentences, seven "I's."

Carla might not have been to Arlington Cemetary before, but I'm pretty sure you can see it from the Crystal City Restaurant.

I agree with Mike re. the behavior of tourists in DC in the summer. In our stores, we often get obese tourists, inexplicably. I guess they don't have such big furniture stores in Gnaw Bone, Indiana. They come in, plop down on our chairs, which breaks them, and they run away.

Marlo Furniture Mgr Wrote:
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> I agree with Mike re. the behavior of tourists in
> DC in the summer. In our stores, we often get
> obese tourists, inexplicably. I guess they don't
> have such big furniture stores in Gnaw Bone,
> Indiana. They come in, plop down on our chairs,
> which breaks them, and they run away.


Yes, but do you invite them in, ask them to sit down, then yell at them after?

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> old guy. Should I brag some more? Ok, I will....
>
>
> I held the 100 yard (yes yards) dash record at my
> school for 20+ years. That is when they switched
> to meters. So my yard record is STILL there. I
> went to the State finals in the 220. My brother
> held all the hurdle records. My dad ran against
> Jesse Owens three times. The old man's HS friends
> tell me that he could stay with Owens. They were
> good friends. All my brothers went to West Point
> and my little brother is a retired Major General.

You said all that shit before, Champ. Your father's and brothers' accomplishments, even if real, are not yours. And I figured it out: "ran with Jesse Owens" is code "chased a black guy".

>
> All true Champ shit. I can still outrun my
> twenty-something kid.

Wow! I didn't know people still got polio.

>
> Look, there is plenty to talk about without
> resorting to lies. People don't even believe the
> basic facts.
>
> As for 'libel.' Do not make the mistake of
> thinking Mike's or Rob's kids are celebrities and
> open to abuse. They are NOT public figures, and
> if you accuse them of things it is illegal.
> Besides classless, of course. I've never heard
> Mike say that his daughters suck big black dick.
> Why would any normal adult even say something like
> that? I don't think I've ever heard George Carlin
> accuse some specific person of anything. That's
> how you work blue.

It's funny that you hear "love" and you immediately think about sucking dick.


> And if they don't WE CAN TALK ABOUT ENZO! Face
> it, I am making the site interesting. Maybe the
> readership here will go from 14 to 30 or
> something. I'm doing what I can.

Delusional Champ.

It's a good thing no one's offered a thousand quatloos for a picture of enzo's house, because that could land someone in FEDERAL COURT!

(ET, I can't quit you. I do believe I am falling in love. PR)

We know Enzo is a true Champ because he apparently feels the need to brag about his and his family's accomplishments to people he supposedly disdains. That's how Champs roll...in a pathetic exhibition to people who don't really care.

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> > i cringe when Mike and his team of yokels talk
> > politics or current events. because they're
> > clueless! they get basic facts wrong and
> jabber
> > on about things they know very little about. i
> > don't pretend to know a lot about things
> myself..
> > but i read the papers, listen to the news. i
> know
> > enough to know that most of the time these guys
> > get the basic facts wrong or jumbled. And then
> > they draw misguided conclusions from their
> false
> > "facts" and go on and on about them. omg. i
> haate
> > when they do that. why don't they just avoid
> > talking about things they know so little about.
>
> Not to pick on you, but it amazing to me that
> college graduates think they are getting accurate
> information from the papers, TV and press. Does
> it ever occur to anyone that MUCH information is
> secret????? Really, there is no such thing as a
> full report "fair and balanced" and all that shit.
> If you read a story, it is only a partial
> picture. NO ONE knows what is going on in secret.
> Secret agreements, secret movement of money,
> secret deals, secret fake troops, false flag ops,
> spies, agents posing as journalists,
> disinformation.....it goes on and on. Why argue
> about shit in the papers like you know anything??

Fat Rob thought that the hours long distance truckers drive are completely unregulated. "They can drive 24 hours if they want." Now what kind of black op false flag is that that he bungles common knowledge, you stupid fuck?

p.s. still waiting to see your profile of me, Agent Cooper.

My mind is fully boggled. Fuckwaddle has made the executive decision that there will be no books for sale at the book signing. Perhaps because it is too difficult to sell books at a bar instead of a bookstore (the standard site for a booksigning).

Then he goes on to say "drunks" can stay late for "drunken karaoke." The judgementalism of the dry drunk.

Fat Drunk Baby talked a good game about his drinking, and Fat Rob and Oscar With One "R" took pains to say that his drinking had never affected the show.

Certainly not when he was too hungover to walk downstairs to do a one hour show.

Certainly not when he drunkenly challenged a guy who insulted him to a barfight and blew out his knee.

Certainly not when he ruined an appearance at the overpriced, overrated Quench by insisting that it suddenly become...wait for it America....drunken karaoke.

It's fair to say that the time he touched the guy's guitar didn't affect the show.

Good effort, especially if he hasn't relapsed since January, but it's only a matter of time. No wonder his daughters take refuge in the quality programming of the BBC.

Good to hear about his ex-wife's lupus. The public has a right to know. Keep sharing those details, FDB.

I always wanted to bang that blond slut from Quench.

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> I always wanted to bang that blond slut from
> Quench.

There's still time. Slap some bacon on a biscuit and let's go! We're burnin' daylight!

Agree with whoever said the problem is Fuckwaddle, not his drinking.

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> Mike has taken the "it's all about me" tour back
> to DC, Arlington Cemetery to be exact. I
> espescially like the quick contradiction of
> everyone should go, but it's not for tourists
> aspect.

Some dream date this fat load is. Because who doesn't think it's fun to go to a cemetary? And if he really does "go often" it's just to sniff decaying jocks. Jeebus Christ, what a douche.

Searched for "+enzo bike watch -ferrari" and found this photo of the Mrs,
Penthouse material indeed.
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No way Mike makes it through the summer "on the wagon."

The location had nothing to do with the no books available policy at the signing. Through Oscarr's (I like that spelling) comments it's apparent they are self publishing through Amazon and would have to pay for any copies they wanted to have on hand. Even though they encourage it of their listeners, there is no way they would buy 10 copies each to have on hand to sell to random bar patrons and passers by.