Believe Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
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> > > you will find there is an immense amount of
> > evidence supporting it.
> >
> > lol. such as?
>
>
> That's a tough but good question, and obviously
> one that's been debated for thousands of years.
> Since you're "lol'ing" I'm not sure you are
> actually seeking answers. But for those who are
> really seeking answers, I guess I'd say the
> evidence that convinces people varies from person
> to person. For me, the evidence that convinces me
> most is:
>
> 1. The historical record of Jesus Christ's life
> here on Earth, the eyewitness accounts of his
> words and acts, and the evidence that so many
> willingly gave their lives attesting to its truth
> (including Christ himself who died an agonizing
> death, when he could have said 'never mind, I made
> it all up') and gone free. This has been discussed
> as C.S. Lewis' "Trilemma (Lunatic, Liar, or
> Lord).
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma
>
> 2. The universe and life itself -- Where did it
> all come from, how did it come to be? How did the
> laws of physics and the Big Bang and everything
> else in the physical universe come to pass? I
> don't find the idea that it all came from a series
> of random events out of nothingness compelling. To
> me it all suggests a Creator who set things in
> motion according to specific physical laws.
>
> 3. Why do so many of us (if not all) have this
> feeling within, that we are searching for
> something more than just our mortal lives, that
> there is something beyond just our flesh and bones
> and then we become worm food? Why would mankind
> have this curiosity and desire to understand what
> happens after physical death, if anything, and
> what is it we are searching for? Do we have an
> eternal "soul" or some purpose in our life?
>
> 4. Observing God working in my own life (not
> convincing evidence for non-believers, I realize,
> but true nonetheless and reinforcing for me). I
> have witnessed firsthand answers to prayer, and
> not just random events that could have happened
> without prayer. Many others would attest to the
> same thing.
>
> 5. We've all witnessed evil firsthand, we know it
> exists. There has to be good as well. Where do
> "good" and "evil" come from, or do they just exist
> on their own as concepts? It feels to me like
> there's something behind good and evil, not just
> the whims of men/women acting in their own
> self-interests or according to evolutionary
> pressures.
Let me take a crack at this.
1. You believe because someone wrote it in a book a long time ago? Could not the same thing be said about every other religion. How do you know you picked the right one? Are the accounts of Jesus somehow more believable than what is written in the Quran or Tora? There sure are a lot of Muslims who are willingly giving their lives because they think they are right.
2. This is ridiculous. Just because you don't know the answer to something you shouldn't just make something up. You don't find the fact that life was miraculously spawned from amino acids in a primordial soup and through billions of years of evolution, mutation, and survival of the fittest a species of self aware animals was the result to be compelling? Is "God did it" really more compelling?
3. Just because we have a desire to know something doesn't make a ridiculous answer more valid. Just because I wonder where my missing socks go doesn't mean there's a goblin in my clothes dryer.
4. When someone prays and their prayer comes true, it's because god listened and answered their prayer. When their prayer doesn't come true... "God works in mysterious ways". Again, ridiculous logic with the foregone conclusion that there is a god.
5. Yes, Good and Evil exist as concepts. There are no demons or angels making people act one way or another.
I try to be a good person because it's the right thing to do. Because I have social values and I wish to be a part of a society where the other person will also try to be a good person. I don't need to believe in some trumped up Santa Clause watching me from the clouds and condemning me to eternal damnation if I don't believe in him.
If that's what works for you, fine. Honestly, even if you do believe there is a god, I don't know why you would worship him when he allows such tragedies to occur on Earth. But I guess he only decides to interfere when it proves his existence.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2011 03:33PM by poopstick.