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Hurrah Hurrah
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Not to forget some good ole slave music for entertainment. Lot better than that crap they sing today.
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Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TJ Jackson
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Date: March 04, 2011 01:53PM
Today marks the 150th birthday of the original Stars & Bars.
Can't wait until September when Fairfax can celebrate the 150th of the battle flag. The marker at Main & Oak Streets, Farifax:
Inscription: During the First Battle of Manassas, amid the smoke of combat, troops found it difficult to distinguish between Union and Confederate flags. Generals P.G.T. Beauregard, Joseph E. Johnston and Quartermaster General William L. Cabell met near here in September 1861 and approved the first Confederate battle flag; a square red flag with blue diagonally crossed bars, and 12 stars. This pattern was adapted for use in other battle flags and was incorporated into the Confederate national flag in 1863. Beauregard's headquarters also hosted the 1 Oct. 1861 Fairfax Court House conference, during which Confederate President Davis and his generals plotted strategy.
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Can't wait until September when Fairfax can celebrate the 150th of the battle flag. The marker at Main & Oak Streets, Farifax:
Inscription: During the First Battle of Manassas, amid the smoke of combat, troops found it difficult to distinguish between Union and Confederate flags. Generals P.G.T. Beauregard, Joseph E. Johnston and Quartermaster General William L. Cabell met near here in September 1861 and approved the first Confederate battle flag; a square red flag with blue diagonally crossed bars, and 12 stars. This pattern was adapted for use in other battle flags and was incorporated into the Confederate national flag in 1863. Beauregard's headquarters also hosted the 1 Oct. 1861 Fairfax Court House conference, during which Confederate President Davis and his generals plotted strategy.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jimmy james
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:02PM
May God bless it.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:05PM
TJ Jackson Wrote:
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> Today marks the 150th birthday of the original
> Stars & Bars.
Happy Birthday to the most traitorous, anti-American thing a person can display. Come salute a foreign flag symbolizing slavery and the deaths of more than 300,000 American soldiers.
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> Today marks the 150th birthday of the original
> Stars & Bars.
Happy Birthday to the most traitorous, anti-American thing a person can display. Come salute a foreign flag symbolizing slavery and the deaths of more than 300,000 American soldiers.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:16PM
Symbolizing STATE'S RIGHTS ....not slavery.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
tujml
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:17PM
Meepeezy:
Slavery existed for many, many years under the American flag. 300,000 American soldiers would not have had to die if Virginia was not invaded.
Slavery existed for many, many years under the American flag. 300,000 American soldiers would not have had to die if Virginia was not invaded.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:26PM
Jimmy James Wrote:
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> Symbolizing STATE'S RIGHTS ....not slavery.
State's rights to...
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> Symbolizing STATE'S RIGHTS ....not slavery.
State's rights to...
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:28PM
The state's rights to own slaves and take up arms against the United States.
Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a terrorist the moment he was captured.
Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a terrorist the moment he was captured.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
CrabbyNative
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Date: March 04, 2011 02:31PM
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:26PM
Jimmy James Wrote:
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> Symbolizing STATE'S RIGHTS ....not slavery.
Johnny Walker Wrote:
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State's rights to...
Read your history books if you don't know. It's too complicated to fight in this forum.
Date: March 04, 2011 02:26PM
Jimmy James Wrote:
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> Symbolizing STATE'S RIGHTS ....not slavery.
Johnny Walker Wrote:
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State's rights to...
Read your history books if you don't know. It's too complicated to fight in this forum.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
si su
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:32PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> The state's rights to own slaves and take up arms
> against the United States.
>
> Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a
> terrorist the moment he was captured.
Might want to read up on some history there, paco. He wasn't captured.
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> The state's rights to own slaves and take up arms
> against the United States.
>
> Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a
> terrorist the moment he was captured.
Might want to read up on some history there, paco. He wasn't captured.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
proud virginian
()
Date: March 04, 2011 02:46PM
tujml Wrote:
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> Meepeezy:
>
> Slavery existed for many, many years under the
> American flag. 300,000 American soldiers would
> not have had to die if Virginia was not invaded.
True. Nuff' said.
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> Meepeezy:
>
> Slavery existed for many, many years under the
> American flag. 300,000 American soldiers would
> not have had to die if Virginia was not invaded.
True. Nuff' said.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
ProVallone
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Date: March 04, 2011 02:48PM
The Confederates lost, thats all that matters.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
CivilWar kid
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Date: March 04, 2011 02:50PM
State's Right?! Slavery, was the driving force behind the war. Sure, most of those who fought in the war, owned little to no slaves (a rich man's war fought by the poor), but come on. If State's Rights were the case, when California came into the Union as a free state, it would not have set the wheels in motions for a Civil War. California being a free state (state's right) put a physical limit to how far west slavery could spread. This didn't sit well in the south.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
6X
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Date: March 04, 2011 02:59PM
Happy Birthday!
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:02PM
si su Wrote:
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> Might want to read up on some history there, paco.
> He wasn't captured.
Surrendered, gave up, came out with his hands up, captured, all the same IMO.
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> Might want to read up on some history there, paco.
> He wasn't captured.
Surrendered, gave up, came out with his hands up, captured, all the same IMO.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
si su
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:03PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> si su Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Might want to read up on some history there,
> paco.
> > He wasn't captured.
>
>
> Surrendered, gave up, came out with his hands up,
> captured, all the same IMO.
IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
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> si su Wrote:
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> >
> > Might want to read up on some history there,
> paco.
> > He wasn't captured.
>
>
> Surrendered, gave up, came out with his hands up,
> captured, all the same IMO.
IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
JDavis
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:07PM
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:16PM
si su Wrote:
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> IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
If police surrounded a hostage-taker who later comes out and surrenders, and reports say "police captured the suspect", the story would be correct and accurate.
Arguing semantics is dumb.
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> IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
If police surrounded a hostage-taker who later comes out and surrenders, and reports say "police captured the suspect", the story would be correct and accurate.
Arguing semantics is dumb.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
wrongagain
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:22PM
No, they would say that the suspect surrendered to police.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
si su
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Date: March 04, 2011 03:27PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> si su Wrote:
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> >
> > IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
>
> If police surrounded a hostage-taker who later
> comes out and surrenders, and reports say "police
> captured the suspect", the story would be correct
> and accurate.
>
> Arguing semantics is dumb.
You aren't arguing semantics, you are arguing historical facts, which is really dumb. At no time was Lee in the command and control of Grant - hence, he wasn't captured. At no point di Grant put the cuffs on Lee - unlike your failed analogy above.
And I suppose all those Japanes guys wearing top hats and tuxes surrendering on the USS MO were "captured" too? LOL
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> si su Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > IMO, you need to get a dictionary.
>
> If police surrounded a hostage-taker who later
> comes out and surrenders, and reports say "police
> captured the suspect", the story would be correct
> and accurate.
>
> Arguing semantics is dumb.
You aren't arguing semantics, you are arguing historical facts, which is really dumb. At no time was Lee in the command and control of Grant - hence, he wasn't captured. At no point di Grant put the cuffs on Lee - unlike your failed analogy above.
And I suppose all those Japanes guys wearing top hats and tuxes surrendering on the USS MO were "captured" too? LOL
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 04, 2011 03:27PM
wrongagain Wrote:
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> No, they would say that the suspect surrendered to
> police.
You would understand the story nonetheless.
I know you don't like my opinion, but obsessing over precision is something that nerds do. Seriously.
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> No, they would say that the suspect surrendered to
> police.
You would understand the story nonetheless.
I know you don't like my opinion, but obsessing over precision is something that nerds do. Seriously.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
wrongagain
()
Date: March 04, 2011 03:29PM
I am a nerd. What's your excuse for continuing to post?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
breakingnews
()
Date: March 04, 2011 05:39PM
TJ,
Yes you are correct about the BATTLE flag. Please read the story below concerning the first Confederate flag, designed in Marion, AL.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/civil-war/2010/apr/15/kentucky-grave-holds-designer-confederate-flag/
Yes you are correct about the BATTLE flag. Please read the story below concerning the first Confederate flag, designed in Marion, AL.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/civil-war/2010/apr/15/kentucky-grave-holds-designer-confederate-flag/
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
cville2
()
Date: March 04, 2011 07:59PM
Next month (April) is Confederate History in Virginia!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: March 04, 2011 08:03PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> The state's rights to own slaves and take up arms
> against the United States.
>
> Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a
> terrorist the moment he was captured.
Absolute bullshit.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> The state's rights to own slaves and take up arms
> against the United States.
>
> Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a
> terrorist the moment he was captured.
Absolute bullshit.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
no hanging needed
()
Date: March 04, 2011 10:24PM
Robert E. Lee should have been hung like a terrorist?
I'm a Yankee and proud of that. But I now live in Virginia and have learned a lot about the history of this great state. Robert E. Lee was no terrorist. He was an honorable man with conflicted loyalties. His decision had little to zero to do with slavery. Hanging him would have made the South all the more bitter and would have delayed the start of a (long enough as it was) healing process. You must be an idiot to think he should have been hung. He was no threat at all to the US after the war. What would have been the purpose of killing him?
Hatred like yours leads to more hatred. It does nothing good. We need to put this chapter behind us. I don't especially like seeing the "stars and bars" displayed just because the people who display it seem to do so for divisive reasons. As a historical symbol, I have no problem with it. But, unfortunately, it is often displayed with other intentions.
I'm a Yankee and proud of that. But I now live in Virginia and have learned a lot about the history of this great state. Robert E. Lee was no terrorist. He was an honorable man with conflicted loyalties. His decision had little to zero to do with slavery. Hanging him would have made the South all the more bitter and would have delayed the start of a (long enough as it was) healing process. You must be an idiot to think he should have been hung. He was no threat at all to the US after the war. What would have been the purpose of killing him?
Hatred like yours leads to more hatred. It does nothing good. We need to put this chapter behind us. I don't especially like seeing the "stars and bars" displayed just because the people who display it seem to do so for divisive reasons. As a historical symbol, I have no problem with it. But, unfortunately, it is often displayed with other intentions.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 04, 2011 11:17PM
no hanging needed Wrote:
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We should be burning confederate flags and celebrating William Tecumseh Sherman, IMO. A personal hero of mine. Sherman won the final battles for America. His army carried the American flag, our flag. A true American hero.
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We should be burning confederate flags and celebrating William Tecumseh Sherman, IMO. A personal hero of mine. Sherman won the final battles for America. His army carried the American flag, our flag. A true American hero.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 05, 2011 01:02AM
Dear Yankees,
If the South WON....
Our country would have been a better place to live than it is now. The war between the states was a war of states' rights vs. a strong federal government.
Our country would have been more in line with what the founders had in mind if the South won. Our founding fathers never intended the intrusive and confiscatory system of big government that we have now. Laws, as they should, would be made at the local and state level and a weak federal system could not inflict itself on the people. The founders were smart. They knew that strong centralized government was not good for the people. The very reason the right to keep and bear arms is in the constitution is not to protect you from grizzly bears but to protect you from the government. They even advocate the overthrow of the government if it becomes oppressive. Of course our government schools would never teach that truth. As far as the army is concerned, the federal government could do that with money collected from tariffs, not personal income taxes. But alas, we did not win. The Lost Cause (State's Rights) was lost and now we have a form of democracy (mob rule) that little resembles the Republic that those Founders birthed so many years ago.
If the South WON....
Our country would have been a better place to live than it is now. The war between the states was a war of states' rights vs. a strong federal government.
Our country would have been more in line with what the founders had in mind if the South won. Our founding fathers never intended the intrusive and confiscatory system of big government that we have now. Laws, as they should, would be made at the local and state level and a weak federal system could not inflict itself on the people. The founders were smart. They knew that strong centralized government was not good for the people. The very reason the right to keep and bear arms is in the constitution is not to protect you from grizzly bears but to protect you from the government. They even advocate the overthrow of the government if it becomes oppressive. Of course our government schools would never teach that truth. As far as the army is concerned, the federal government could do that with money collected from tariffs, not personal income taxes. But alas, we did not win. The Lost Cause (State's Rights) was lost and now we have a form of democracy (mob rule) that little resembles the Republic that those Founders birthed so many years ago.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 05, 2011 08:11AM
Jimmy James Wrote:
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> If the South WON....
>
> the intrusive and confiscatory system of big government that we have now.
> could not inflict itself on the people.
> centralized government was not good for the people.
> to protect you from the government.
> They even advocate the overthrow of
> the government if it becomes oppressive.
> Of course our government schools would never teach that
> truth.
> little resembles the Republic that those Founders birthed so many years
> ago.
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> If the South WON....
>
> the intrusive and confiscatory system of big government that we have now.
> could not inflict itself on the people.
> centralized government was not good for the people.
> to protect you from the government.
> They even advocate the overthrow of
> the government if it becomes oppressive.
> Of course our government schools would never teach that
> truth.
> little resembles the Republic that those Founders birthed so many years
> ago.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: March 05, 2011 08:18AM
The Battle Flag was adopted by the segregationist movement in the 1950s. The real Confederate Flag was the Stars and Bars, not the Battle Flag. In fact, many Confederate leaders of the day disparaged the Battle Flag, even referring to it as "suspenders."
The Battle Flag rose to prominence as a symbol of racism, not as some icon of Southern Heritage.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
The Battle Flag rose to prominence as a symbol of racism, not as some icon of Southern Heritage.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Yankee Doodle
()
Date: March 05, 2011 08:38AM
Nowhere else in the entire world is there a group of people so proud of their heritage of being a bunch of morally, intellectually, and technologically inferior inbreds who got their asses handed to them by their betters. Keep on celebrating your glorious history of being thoroughly pwned, you stupid rednecks.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jhey
()
Date: March 05, 2011 08:45AM
Yankee Doodle Wrote:
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> Nowhere else in the entire world is there a group
> of people so proud of their heritage of being a
> bunch of morally, intellectually, and
> technologically inferior inbreds who got their
> asses handed to them by their betters.
Maybe the Middle East, but valid point nonetheless.
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> Nowhere else in the entire world is there a group
> of people so proud of their heritage of being a
> bunch of morally, intellectually, and
> technologically inferior inbreds who got their
> asses handed to them by their betters.
Maybe the Middle East, but valid point nonetheless.
I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: March 05, 2011 09:42AM
Hurrah Hurrah
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: March 05, 2011 09:47AM
Not to forget some good ole slave music for entertainment. Lot better than that crap they sing today.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
^^^
()
Date: March 05, 2011 01:21PM
The flag of failure. It's right up there with British Honduras, Rhodesia and Zanzibar. Totally irrelevant and an icon of history.
If the South has almost won, it would be a symbol of antagonism. But the South failed big time so it's nothing more than an amusement. Today, it is the flag of Civil War hobbyist and those who have pride in being from the South.
Actually, everytime I see the confederate flag, it makes me think of that sweet '69 Dodge Charger (General Lee) on Dukes of Hazzard.
If the South has almost won, it would be a symbol of antagonism. But the South failed big time so it's nothing more than an amusement. Today, it is the flag of Civil War hobbyist and those who have pride in being from the South.
Actually, everytime I see the confederate flag, it makes me think of that sweet '69 Dodge Charger (General Lee) on Dukes of Hazzard.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Smokin Hot
()
Date: March 05, 2011 09:39PM
AWWW YEAAH! The south will rise again!
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tefd187777
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Date: March 05, 2011 09:43PM
Thats racist.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
racist bastard
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Date: March 05, 2011 09:46PM
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert E Lee
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Date: March 05, 2011 09:54PM
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
agreeed
()
Date: March 06, 2011 12:57AM
Yankee Doodle Wrote:
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> Nowhere else in the entire world is there a group
> of people so proud of their heritage of being a
> bunch of morally, intellectually, and
> technologically inferior inbreds who got their
> asses handed to them by their betters. Keep on
> celebrating your glorious history of being
> thoroughly pwned, you stupid rednecks.
I completely agree,
I'd like to add that if the CSA had in fact won they'd probably be a third world shit hole by now due to their rejection of the industrial revolution.
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> Nowhere else in the entire world is there a group
> of people so proud of their heritage of being a
> bunch of morally, intellectually, and
> technologically inferior inbreds who got their
> asses handed to them by their betters. Keep on
> celebrating your glorious history of being
> thoroughly pwned, you stupid rednecks.
I completely agree,
I'd like to add that if the CSA had in fact won they'd probably be a third world shit hole by now due to their rejection of the industrial revolution.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
:-)
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Date: March 06, 2011 02:32AM
Lol if the csa would of won instead the Mexican jumping border it would of been rednecks jumping borders
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Billy Bob Ray
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Date: March 06, 2011 07:26AM
Gotta love rednecks. Less competition for good paying jobs!
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Skeeter Jo
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Date: March 06, 2011 07:26AM
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
666
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Date: March 06, 2011 12:41PM
My favorite use of the Confederate flag.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
johnny rebel
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Date: March 06, 2011 01:11PM
god bless the south
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
i love my georgia peaches
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Date: March 06, 2011 01:29PM
yes
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Dale #3 LIVES FOREVER
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Date: March 06, 2011 01:42PM
The South is good for stupid girls with panties that drop quickly. :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Cletus
()
Date: March 06, 2011 03:15PM
REDNECK VIEW OF THE USA
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Cleburn
()
Date: March 07, 2011 01:45PM
God Bless the Confederacy and God Bless the Battle Flag. The Southerners of 1861 did precisely what Southern slaveowners like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson did in 1776;they declared independcence. More importantly, had their vision of America materialized, their country (the CSA) would be a safe haven from the filthy, corrupt, drug-infested, prostitute-filled, crime-ridden influences that permeate Norhtern cities like Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, New York,Boston, Cleveland, Newark and Pittsburgh. And in the CSA the negroes would be disciplined and productive, and not murdering, pimping, whoring, thieves. Illegals would be non-existent. And it is an absolute shame that that stupid, quasi-literate, ignoramus bumkpkin, lawless, mass-murdering tyrant Lincoln became President. He was, however, properly executed by John Wilkes Boothe, a hero if there ever was one.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
THANKS FOR TELLIN' IT HOW IT IS
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Date: March 07, 2011 02:06PM
HOORAY FOR JOHN WILKES BOOTHE, A TRUE ASSET TO WHITE AMERICA !
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TELLING IT BABY
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Date: March 07, 2011 02:09PM
HOORAY FOR WILLIAM TECUMSEH SHERMAN, A TRUE ASSET TO WHITE AMERICA !
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Cheese me
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Date: March 07, 2011 02:22PM
Whenever I hear the words "white America", this is what I immediately think of.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
*AMERICAN CULTURE*
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Date: March 07, 2011 02:55PM
WHEN I THINK OF "AFRICAN AMERICAN" I THINK OF DIRT FLOORS AND A GRASS ROOF.
WHEN I THINK OF "LATINO AMERICAN" I THINK OF TACO FOLDING BEAN CHEFS.
WHEN I THINK OF "LATINO AMERICAN" I THINK OF TACO FOLDING BEAN CHEFS.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gen Robert E. Jew
()
Date: March 07, 2011 03:50PM
What Confederate Holiday would be complete without a song from the greatest Southerner who ever lived
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Byron
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:14PM
Some good points raised here. Another one is that the southern negro agricultural laborers(slaves if you insist) had a far superior quality of life when compared to the quality of life of the northern negroes. The agricultural laborers were better fed, clothed, housed, and also had acess to quality medical care that northern negroes never had.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Howie Feltersnatch
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:16PM
Byron Wrote:
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> Some good points raised here. Another one is that
> the southern negro agricultural laborers(slaves if
> you insist) had a far superior quality of life
> when compared to the quality of life of the
> northern negroes. The agricultural laborers were
> better fed, clothed, housed, and also had acess to
> quality medical care that northern negroes never
> had.
Ridiculous historical revisionism, let me show you it.
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> Some good points raised here. Another one is that
> the southern negro agricultural laborers(slaves if
> you insist) had a far superior quality of life
> when compared to the quality of life of the
> northern negroes. The agricultural laborers were
> better fed, clothed, housed, and also had acess to
> quality medical care that northern negroes never
> had.
Ridiculous historical revisionism, let me show you it.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Lance
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:18PM
"Some good points raised here. Another one is that the southern negro agricultural laborers(slaves if you insist) had a far superior quality of life when compared to the quality of life of the northern negroes. The agricultural laborers were better fed, clothed, housed, and also had acess to quality medical care that northern negroes never had."
Excellent observation.
Excellent observation.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Howie Feltersnatch
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:22PM
Lance Wrote:
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> Excellent observation.
Indeed, an excellent observation from the alternate universe where slaves were never beaten, raped, malnourished, or otherwise abused, and they all sang happy little work songs as they toiled leisurely in the peppermint fields, with the overseers bringing them fresh mint juleps and iced tea, and rainbows shot out of unicorns' butts--the unicorns that were stabled next to the fine homes where the slaves lived, and which could be ridden by the happy little slave children.
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> Excellent observation.
Indeed, an excellent observation from the alternate universe where slaves were never beaten, raped, malnourished, or otherwise abused, and they all sang happy little work songs as they toiled leisurely in the peppermint fields, with the overseers bringing them fresh mint juleps and iced tea, and rainbows shot out of unicorns' butts--the unicorns that were stabled next to the fine homes where the slaves lived, and which could be ridden by the happy little slave children.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Byron
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:29PM
"Indeed, an excellent observation from the alternate universe where slaves were never beaten, raped, malnourished, or otherwise abused, and they all sang happy little work songs as they toiled leisurely in the peppermint fields, with the overseers bringing them fresh mint juleps and iced tea, and rainbows shot out of unicorns' butts--the unicorns that were stabled next to the fine homes where the slaves lived, and which could be ridden by the happy little slave children."
Yeah, and in the same alternate universe northern negroes were all stockbrokers, lawyers, doctors, architects and lawyers. And the northern negroe were highly paid, with huge mansions, ample vacation time, and health benefits. And there was no slave trading in the northern ports of Boston, New York and Philadelphia, and the nmorthern mills did not buy enormous quantities of slave products, like cotton, sugar, rice, coffee, and tobacco. Yesiree, the northern United States was a multi-cultural paradise in that there alternate universe of which you speak.
Yeah, and in the same alternate universe northern negroes were all stockbrokers, lawyers, doctors, architects and lawyers. And the northern negroe were highly paid, with huge mansions, ample vacation time, and health benefits. And there was no slave trading in the northern ports of Boston, New York and Philadelphia, and the nmorthern mills did not buy enormous quantities of slave products, like cotton, sugar, rice, coffee, and tobacco. Yesiree, the northern United States was a multi-cultural paradise in that there alternate universe of which you speak.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
O:O:O:O:O:O:O
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:45PM
You two can keep pissing all over each other. Simply, I don't give a shit. All I know is them darkies in DC make some good fried chicken.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Byron
()
Date: March 07, 2011 05:48PM
Be assured I don't gives a rats ass who pisses on you either. But da darkies do makes mouth waterin' chicken. Day sho do....
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
SOUL UNIVERSE
()
Date: March 07, 2011 07:41PM
CHICKEN IS SOOOOO STEROTYPICAL.
THE CORN BREAD IS THE MONEY MAKER.
SWEET, SWEET CORN BREAD.
THE CORN BREAD IS THE MONEY MAKER.
SWEET, SWEET CORN BREAD.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
I SEE YOU !
()
Date: March 07, 2011 07:45PM
'Howie Feltersnatch' wrote :
--------------------------------------------
> "Ridiculous historical revisionism, let me show you it."
Hi WashingTone-Locian !
--------------------------------------------
> "Ridiculous historical revisionism, let me show you it."
Hi WashingTone-Locian !
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Howie Feltersnatch
()
Date: March 07, 2011 08:22PM
Byron Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Indeed, an excellent observation from the
> alternate universe where slaves were never beaten,
> raped, malnourished, or otherwise abused, and they
> all sang happy little work songs as they toiled
> leisurely in the peppermint fields, with the
> overseers bringing them fresh mint juleps and iced
> tea, and rainbows shot out of unicorns' butts--the
> unicorns that were stabled next to the fine homes
> where the slaves lived, and which could be ridden
> by the happy little slave children."
>
>
> Yeah, and in the same alternate universe northern
> negroes were all stockbrokers, lawyers, doctors,
> architects and lawyers. And the northern negroe
> were highly paid, with huge mansions, ample
> vacation time, and health benefits. And there was
> no slave trading in the northern ports of Boston,
> New York and Philadelphia, and the nmorthern mills
> did not buy enormous quantities of slave products,
> like cotton, sugar, rice, coffee, and tobacco.
> Yesiree, the northern United States was a
> multi-cultural paradise in that there alternate
> universe of which you speak.
God, you white trash morons are pathetic. Do you actually believe that southern blacks had it better than free one in the North. You idiots are clueless. I wish we could ship all the ignorant white trash to Africa where they can act like the animals they are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Indeed, an excellent observation from the
> alternate universe where slaves were never beaten,
> raped, malnourished, or otherwise abused, and they
> all sang happy little work songs as they toiled
> leisurely in the peppermint fields, with the
> overseers bringing them fresh mint juleps and iced
> tea, and rainbows shot out of unicorns' butts--the
> unicorns that were stabled next to the fine homes
> where the slaves lived, and which could be ridden
> by the happy little slave children."
>
>
> Yeah, and in the same alternate universe northern
> negroes were all stockbrokers, lawyers, doctors,
> architects and lawyers. And the northern negroe
> were highly paid, with huge mansions, ample
> vacation time, and health benefits. And there was
> no slave trading in the northern ports of Boston,
> New York and Philadelphia, and the nmorthern mills
> did not buy enormous quantities of slave products,
> like cotton, sugar, rice, coffee, and tobacco.
> Yesiree, the northern United States was a
> multi-cultural paradise in that there alternate
> universe of which you speak.
God, you white trash morons are pathetic. Do you actually believe that southern blacks had it better than free one in the North. You idiots are clueless. I wish we could ship all the ignorant white trash to Africa where they can act like the animals they are.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
NIGGY KILLS NIGGY FOR JORDANS
()
Date: March 07, 2011 10:13PM
TO BAD SHIT-BROWN PIECES OF TRASH LIKE YOURSELF DON'T REALIZE THAT
NO MATTER HOW BAD ANY SLAVE HAD IT, HE CAN THANK HIS OWN AFRICAN PEOPLE
THAT CAPTURED ENTIRE TRIBES OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND SOLD THEM
INTO A LIFE OF BONDAGE AND TURMOIL LIKE HEARTLESS MONEY GRUBBING ANIMALS.
NO MATTER HOW BAD ANY SLAVE HAD IT, HE CAN THANK HIS OWN AFRICAN PEOPLE
THAT CAPTURED ENTIRE TRIBES OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND SOLD THEM
INTO A LIFE OF BONDAGE AND TURMOIL LIKE HEARTLESS MONEY GRUBBING ANIMALS.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Byron
()
Date: March 07, 2011 10:37PM
DearGod, you stupid, filthy, limousine-liberal scumbags are grotesque and pathetic. Do you truly believe that northern negroes had it better than the Southern negro laborers?!. You cretins are as useless as you are clueless. I only wish we could ship all the ignorant limousine-liberal pigs back to africa like the northern slave-traders did so long ago.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
"'"'"'""'''""'''"""''""""''''"""'''"'''"'"''"'"''
()
Date: March 07, 2011 11:35PM
The South will rise again
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Josh Wilsonesque
()
Date: March 07, 2011 11:56PM
If America is so bad and whites treat non-whites so badly, why is it that so many non-whites clammor to get here. No matter how people got here, they struggled for survival once they did arrive. Happens even today with immigrants (legal and not) working 2 or 3 low paying slave-type jobs just to get by with most helping family left behind. I know immigrants who were high-level politicians and professionals in their own countries who arrive here and are struggling as security guards, taxi drivers, parking lot attendants, etc. Imagine the mental anguish they must be enduring just with that career swing. People do what they must and thank God this country is large and strong enough to withstand it.
What bothers me is when the decendants of slaves act as if something is owed to them because their ancestors were brought here and worked as slaves. If that ancestor slave was so poorly treated, you wouldn't be here today. This country and the white folks here owe you NOTHING. It is that sort of entitlement thinking that drives prejudice. Get a job and be normal without expecting handouts. Most slaves brought and bought here were thought of as an investment. No one abuses an investment. They feed them well and keep them healthy because they want that investment to work for them a long time - and at minimum reproduce. Certainly along the line there was a hot young lady who got the attention of the Master and I don't blame him for taking a little dip there. I'd probably have done the same thing. Even Mr. Lincoln himself couldn't control that in himself.
What bothers me is when the decendants of slaves act as if something is owed to them because their ancestors were brought here and worked as slaves. If that ancestor slave was so poorly treated, you wouldn't be here today. This country and the white folks here owe you NOTHING. It is that sort of entitlement thinking that drives prejudice. Get a job and be normal without expecting handouts. Most slaves brought and bought here were thought of as an investment. No one abuses an investment. They feed them well and keep them healthy because they want that investment to work for them a long time - and at minimum reproduce. Certainly along the line there was a hot young lady who got the attention of the Master and I don't blame him for taking a little dip there. I'd probably have done the same thing. Even Mr. Lincoln himself couldn't control that in himself.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
i sure do hate weird confusin' stuff.
()
Date: March 08, 2011 12:03AM
it must be kind of weird for you frightened and bigoted hillbillies to live in an age where AMERICANS, hell, even VIRGINIANS elect a black president.
but you know what? if you have to go back 150 years ago to find something to feel good about, go right ahead. its not like you have anything of your own to be proud of.
but you know what? if you have to go back 150 years ago to find something to feel good about, go right ahead. its not like you have anything of your own to be proud of.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
gotcha
()
Date: March 08, 2011 12:28AM
I'll see your photo of the Klansmen with the battle flag and raise you one. (Now which flag is the racist one?)
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Josh Confusedalot Yep
()
Date: March 08, 2011 12:29AM
What would really confuse and frighten me is if this black president is REelected. We all can make a mistake now and then but to not learn from it and get this president out will certainly continue to hurt the country.
Another frightening thing is how black Americans will continue to support this black president under any circumstance. If you must support a black man for president, why not choose one who will do better by the country?
Another frightening thing is how black Americans will continue to support this black president under any circumstance. If you must support a black man for president, why not choose one who will do better by the country?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
stuff
()
Date: March 08, 2011 02:20PM
it must be kind of weird for you frightened and bigoted ghetto slumlords to live in an age where AMERICANS, hell, even VIRGINIANS prop up a negro as president so that they tell themselves what wonderful people they are.
but you know what? if you weant to see what negroes are capable of when they are on their own, look at Haiti or Rwanda. *snicker* I mean really, whose kidding who?
but you know what? if you weant to see what negroes are capable of when they are on their own, look at Haiti or Rwanda. *snicker* I mean really, whose kidding who?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Cert
()
Date: March 08, 2011 08:32PM
Thats was below the belt. Just becasue negroes are not good at math, sceince, economics and every other intellectual endeavor is no reason to belittle them. Come on now....
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jalent
()
Date: March 08, 2011 08:42PM
Are you confederartes out there trying to tell us that the Southerners had an inalienalbe right to secede? (like the Declaration of Independence says)? Are you also trying to presuade us that Abraham Lincoln did exactly as King George III did in trying maintain the the Union by force? Are you saying that there is nothing anywherein the constitution which prohibits secession?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Yankee
()
Date: March 09, 2011 08:54AM
RACIST GONNA RACE
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
tothisday
()
Date: March 13, 2011 09:15AM
The state song of Maryland is a Confederate song. "Despot" refers to Lincoln:
"
The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland, My Maryland!
...
Virginia should not call in vain!
Maryland, My Maryland!
She meets her sisters on the plain-
"Sic semper!
...
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!...
"
"
The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland, My Maryland!
...
Virginia should not call in vain!
Maryland, My Maryland!
She meets her sisters on the plain-
"Sic semper!
...
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!...
"
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Piggy
()
Date: March 14, 2011 01:40AM
With the North winning the war we now have a Federal government involved in every aspect of our lives. A re read of the Constitution affirms the specific powers and duties of the Federal government.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
yuanyelss
()
Date: March 14, 2011 02:10AM
If the country is so right, when California, when the federal as a free country, it will not be set in motion the wheels of the American Civil War. California is a free state (state of the right), a physical limit to how far the West, slavery could spread. This did not sit well in the South...
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Nardo
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:18PM
Plus, slaveowners like Union General Ulysess S. Grant didn't much like it either. Nor did the Union slave states of Maryland. Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware, and West Virginia. Lots of pro-Union slaveowners.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Leo
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:25PM
Racists gonna race, and phony limousine-liberals gonna phony limousine-liberal.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Myrtle
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:30PM
Mary Todd Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln's wife, was also a cruel slaveowner.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:36PM
Happy 150th birthday, all you TRAITORS to AMERICA
killed more Americans than ANY Muslims
Traitor Terrorists should HANG for flying that flag of Shit
it's not about slavery - it's about being TRAITORS to the Union
it's about shitting on the US CONSTITUTION, the VERY SAME Constitution that all those states SIGNED and AGREED UPON
Imagine if you sign a lease, then just say "oh f**k it" and just point a gun at yr landlord - well, that's what these confederate lovers think is A-OK
killed more Americans than ANY Muslims
Traitor Terrorists should HANG for flying that flag of Shit
it's not about slavery - it's about being TRAITORS to the Union
it's about shitting on the US CONSTITUTION, the VERY SAME Constitution that all those states SIGNED and AGREED UPON
Imagine if you sign a lease, then just say "oh f**k it" and just point a gun at yr landlord - well, that's what these confederate lovers think is A-OK
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:38PM
I bet yr upset when the feds get involved in stopping Pedophiles transferring pedo-pics online too - that bug you? Grow UP!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:40PM
dont hear you complaining when that SAME Federal Govt gets invovled in keeping planes flying in the air instead of crashing down on yr house (FAA), or keep you safe from pirates when yr off the coast (Coast Guard) or keep companies from putting pigsh*t in yr food to offset there costs (FDA)
If you dont like America or the Govt, dont let the door hit yr ass on the way out!
If you dont like America or the Govt, dont let the door hit yr ass on the way out!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Phil Blvd
()
Date: March 14, 2011 07:43PM
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS A SLAVEOWNING TRAITOR TO THE KING
THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS A SLAVEOWNING TRAITOR TO THE KING
JOHN ADAMS WAS A TRAITOR TO THE KING
BENJMIN FRANKLIN WAS A TRAITOR TO THE KING
THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS A SLAVEOWNING TRAITOR TO THE KING
JOHN ADAMS WAS A TRAITOR TO THE KING
BENJMIN FRANKLIN WAS A TRAITOR TO THE KING
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jimmy James
()
Date: March 14, 2011 10:03PM
Gordon Blvd,
Get your facts straight.
-Jimmy James.
Get your facts straight.
-Jimmy James.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Nodrog
()
Date: March 14, 2011 10:13PM
Imagine if you join a political community, then you declare independence, like the American Colonis did, then the mother country rapes pillages and plunders your country to prevent you from leaving, like King George III did, or like the old Soviet Union did, well, that's what these union lovers think is peachy keen and A-OK
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bettew
()
Date: March 14, 2011 10:51PM
Or, perhaps a better example, and to use Gordon's own example, would be to point out that once you signed a lease, you could never, ever, ever leave. Not ever. And if you tried, you would attacked, beaten and ultimately killed.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 17, 2011 07:04PM
Just think:WWRELD (what would Robert E Lee do?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
goodtimes
()
Date: March 17, 2011 07:45PM
And if the south had won?
No one ever asks that question. Lets assume the South won and all its laws were still laws of the land - slavery in 2011 fine and dandy.
Really. Im just wondering if that would make it harder or easier to hate Mexicans, Muslims and the like.
No one ever asks that question. Lets assume the South won and all its laws were still laws of the land - slavery in 2011 fine and dandy.
Really. Im just wondering if that would make it harder or easier to hate Mexicans, Muslims and the like.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
lolyouareignorant
()
Date: March 17, 2011 07:55PM
Cert Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thats was below the belt. Just becasue negroes are
> not good at math, sceince, economics and every
> other intellectual endeavor is no reason to
> belittle them. Come on now....
Jeepers, last I checked the written word was pretty much invented in, wait for it =
Ta-dahhh,
Africa!
That's right idiot, you are an ignorant fool. btw, if you are reading this you probably need to thank the n1gger that invented the written word.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thats was below the belt. Just becasue negroes are
> not good at math, sceince, economics and every
> other intellectual endeavor is no reason to
> belittle them. Come on now....
Jeepers, last I checked the written word was pretty much invented in, wait for it =
Ta-dahhh,
Africa!
That's right idiot, you are an ignorant fool. btw, if you are reading this you probably need to thank the n1gger that invented the written word.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
badtimes
()
Date: March 17, 2011 07:58PM
goodtimes-
I never understand when people think that time would stop in 1861, and that slavery would be around in CSA 2011. I am not defending the South, I think Jim Crow laws could still be in effect. But to say that slavery would still be around hurts your cause because it wouldn't.
I never understand when people think that time would stop in 1861, and that slavery would be around in CSA 2011. I am not defending the South, I think Jim Crow laws could still be in effect. But to say that slavery would still be around hurts your cause because it wouldn't.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Terw
()
Date: March 17, 2011 08:04PM
Well, if slavery were alive in 2011, the Negro crime rate, especially in Richmond and Norfolk areas, would be significantly lower. Negroes were productive and generally peaceful under slavery.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Merrill
()
Date: March 17, 2011 09:15PM
This issue is always misrepresented in terms of slavery. When the war was fought, it was not between "North" and "South", but between two independent countries, the USA and the CSA. And slavery was perfectly legal in both countries.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
ED
()
Date: March 20, 2011 02:08AM
WOW, THE SOUTH was an aristocracy, the thing thats funny is that a union victory was soooo beneficial to the common man. most of the south needed a union victory. but yet dumb ignorant folks still think the south had this glorious cause. well, just look at the statistics of the differences between the average person in the north and south during that time.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Greber
()
Date: March 20, 2011 02:17AM
What is really funny is the dumb ignorant folks who think that Lincoln "saved the Union". Yeah, like King George III was just trying to save the British union. Both Lincoln and King George were ruthless murdering tyrants.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: March 20, 2011 10:04AM
If slavery was/is so good why don't all of you in favor re-instate it? Get your representatives to sponsor a bill to re-instate slavery. The Constitution and Amendments can be changed.
Lets see how that works for you mmmkay
Lets see how that works for you mmmkay
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
opED
()
Date: March 20, 2011 01:36PM
ED wrote:
>WOW, THE SOUTH was an aristocracy, the thing thats
>funny is that a union victory was soooo beneficial
>to the common man. most of the south needed a union
>victory. but yet dumb ignorant folks still think the
>south had this glorious cause. well, just look at
>the statistics of the differences between the average
>person in the north and south during that time.
Ed, please show me the statistcs that you speak of.
>WOW, THE SOUTH was an aristocracy, the thing thats
>funny is that a union victory was soooo beneficial
>to the common man. most of the south needed a union
>victory. but yet dumb ignorant folks still think the
>south had this glorious cause. well, just look at
>the statistics of the differences between the average
>person in the north and south during that time.
Ed, please show me the statistcs that you speak of.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
onod
()
Date: March 20, 2011 03:09PM
If secession is so ad let's see where the constitution prohibits it. Since it doesn't, let's add an amendment that prohibits. Tell me how that works out. Mmmmkay?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jimmy james
()
Date: March 20, 2011 04:43PM
After the war, Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy, was arrested and placed in prison prior to a trial. The trial was never held, because the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Mr. Salmon Portland Chase, informed President Andrew Johnson that if Davis were placed on trial for treason the United States would lose the case because nothing in the Constitution forbids secession. That is why no trial of Jefferson Davis was held, despite the fact that he wanted one.
So was secession treason? The answer is clearly No.
So was secession treason? The answer is clearly No.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
robert
()
Date: March 20, 2011 06:50PM
its absurd to call lincoln a murdering tyrant.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tilp
()
Date: March 20, 2011 08:23PM
It's absurd to suggest that Lincoln was not a murdering tyrant.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 20, 2011 10:05PM
yeah most all historian rank him in the top five of the greatest presidents, he freed the slaves and upheld the beliefs of the founders, so i think the balls in your court to enlighten me on why hes a murdering tyrant. in 1864, for the first time in u.s. history troops in the field could vote away from home and 70 percent voted for lincoln, i guess they were all just blood thirsty murdering tyrants.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 20, 2011 10:47PM
Lincoln did not free the slaves for chrissakes. In fact, he favored keeping them slaves forever and openly said so. Upheld the beliefs of the founders? What rot. I have news for you bud, the founders were all secessionists, and many of them were slave owning secessionists. Get a clue fella.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:04PM
have you ever heard of the 13th amendment for chrisakes? lincoln becomes anti slavery over time, its revisionist that love to point out his earlier statements and beliefs which he did have. Also, if the the founders were all secessionist why did they support the northwest ordinance of 1787? so theres your clue fella.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:15PM
For chrissakes, do you really not know what the original 13th amendment said there fella? Well, it would have made slavery legal in PERPETUITY, and Lincoln fully supported it and openly said so in his first inaugural address, you ignorant chump. And if the founders were not secessionists, why did they conduct a violent and illegal revolution in order to secede from the British Empire, you stupid know-nothing blowhard. Get a clue or just STFU.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:18PM
wow can we please keep this civil? the thirteenth came years after lincolns first inaugural address and like i said he becomes anti slavery through time. so yeah...?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:24PM
Yes, we can keep it civil. But Lincoln, in his first inaugural, did plainly state that he had no intention of interfering with slavery, and that he supported the original 13th amendment which would have made slavery legal forever. No kidding, google Lincoln's first inaugural address.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:32PM
i dont have too, im not arguing with the fact lincoln would support slavery where it already existed he ran under the platform of limiting the expansion of slavery into the territories. his views changed over time. his first goal was to preserve the union and he didnt want to make and rash decisons that would give reason for border states to secede from the union.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 20, 2011 11:43PM
The idea of saving the union contradicts our heritage and the principles of the declaration of independence. The Confederates only wanted to do what their forefathers did, that is achieve independence.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 12:05AM
the confederacy itself contradicts the principles of the declaration of independence. what reason did they have to secede?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 21, 2011 12:11AM
The Confederacy perfectly embodies the principles of the declaration. Indeed, the declaration of independence is arguably the most marvelous secessionist document in modern history. And why were they not entitled to seek independence as their forefathers did?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:21AM
it's a document that states pretty early on that all men are created equal! and because the forefathers seceded from a foreign government that was oppressive, the confederacy seceded because they believed all men are not created equal. there werent any state rights violated it really boils down to slavery.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:32AM
All men are created equal? The man who wrote that, Thomas J efferson, owned 200 slaves. The General who led the secessionionist Army, and the Father of our Country, George Washington, also owned 200 slaves. And of all the signets of the declaration of independence, over 1/3 owned, collectively, over 1,000 slaves. That phrase had nothing to do with slaves (obviously).
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:40AM
Oh, and they did not secede from a foreign government. The colonies were part of the British Empire.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:11PM
Like most Yankees, I want to brush over the entire history of the war and turn it into a question of morals, and no one can win a moral argument while 'supporting slavery'. Ha!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
HA ! INDEED
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:29PM
'Robert' wrote :
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> "Like most Yankees, I want to brush over the entire history of
> the war and turn it into a question of morals,
> and no one can win a moral argument while 'supporting slavery'.
> Ha!
WHERE IS THE MORALITY IN KILLING YOUR WHITE BROTHERS AND FELLOW COUNTRYMEN
OVER SOME NIGGER'S FREEDOM WHO WAS FAIRLY BOUGHT FROM THE NIGGERS IN AFRICA ?
WHERE'S YOUR MORALITY ARGUMENT NOW ASSWIPE ?
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> "Like most Yankees, I want to brush over the entire history of
> the war and turn it into a question of morals,
> and no one can win a moral argument while 'supporting slavery'.
> Ha!
WHERE IS THE MORALITY IN KILLING YOUR WHITE BROTHERS AND FELLOW COUNTRYMEN
OVER SOME NIGGER'S FREEDOM WHO WAS FAIRLY BOUGHT FROM THE NIGGERS IN AFRICA ?
WHERE'S YOUR MORALITY ARGUMENT NOW ASSWIPE ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bill N
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Date: March 21, 2011 12:36PM
You both need to get a dose of reality.
How can you say the ACW wasn't about slavery? The war would not have happened when it happened the way it happened except for the fact that slavery existed in the south but had largely been abolished in the north. OTOH you cannot say that the war was JUST about slavery. If you'd held an election in 1860 on whether to abolish slavery it probably would have lost even in the northern states, and several slave states, Virginia among them, were reluctant to leave the union.
How can you say the ACW wasn't about slavery? The war would not have happened when it happened the way it happened except for the fact that slavery existed in the south but had largely been abolished in the north. OTOH you cannot say that the war was JUST about slavery. If you'd held an election in 1860 on whether to abolish slavery it probably would have lost even in the northern states, and several slave states, Virginia among them, were reluctant to leave the union.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jimmy james
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Date: March 21, 2011 01:22PM
...it was a time in history when the constitution was very unclear regarding the issues of slavery/secession....the men who wrote the constitution never put much emphasis on slavery because slaves were a way of life and had never been considered more than property..Therefore they never gave it much thought that less than a hundred years from the time they wrote the constitution, that the idea of giving slaves rights and freedom would ever come into question.
the Civil War was simply two sides clashing over their own different ways of life...
both northerners and southerners felt almost equally about the idea of slavery
there were some northerners who hated slavery and there were northerners who supported slavery.....it was the same way in the south...some southerners supported it and some despised it. ..for example Union General Ulysses Grant owned many slaves while Confederate General Robert Lee freed all his slaves and believed slavery was wrong.
Men chose to fight for their states and the rights of their states...not over slavery. most men in the south did not own slaves...and the ones who did own slaves had paid their way out of fighting....
slavery AND secession were both considered constitutional. the constitution only mentions slaves as "other persons" and only considers them as property. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution or any other legal document which precludes any state or group of states from seceding from the United States.
slavery was found everywhere in the north, but a few years after the turn of the 19th century, most northern states found slavery to be non profitable and abolished it....however four northern states were still slave holding states at the time of the civil war..they chose to fight for the union because they believed keeping the seceding states part of the union was more beneficial to their state and the USA..... but of course slavery was very beneficial to the way of life to many southerners...therefore they didnt want their way of life threatened and didnt believe the federal goverment had the right to end slavery..
civil war = war over state's rights
the Civil War was simply two sides clashing over their own different ways of life...
both northerners and southerners felt almost equally about the idea of slavery
there were some northerners who hated slavery and there were northerners who supported slavery.....it was the same way in the south...some southerners supported it and some despised it. ..for example Union General Ulysses Grant owned many slaves while Confederate General Robert Lee freed all his slaves and believed slavery was wrong.
Men chose to fight for their states and the rights of their states...not over slavery. most men in the south did not own slaves...and the ones who did own slaves had paid their way out of fighting....
slavery AND secession were both considered constitutional. the constitution only mentions slaves as "other persons" and only considers them as property. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution or any other legal document which precludes any state or group of states from seceding from the United States.
slavery was found everywhere in the north, but a few years after the turn of the 19th century, most northern states found slavery to be non profitable and abolished it....however four northern states were still slave holding states at the time of the civil war..they chose to fight for the union because they believed keeping the seceding states part of the union was more beneficial to their state and the USA..... but of course slavery was very beneficial to the way of life to many southerners...therefore they didnt want their way of life threatened and didnt believe the federal goverment had the right to end slavery..
civil war = war over state's rights
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 02:10PM
Not so fast on the morality issue Robert. Remember, it was the Northerners, from states such as New York, Masachusetts, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvannia, that brought the negroes, bound in chains, to the United States to begin with. The North was equally responsible for the institution of slavery. And don't forget that while the war was being fought, slaver was perfectly legal in the Union States of Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware, Missouri, and West Virginia.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 08:41PM
what state rights of the south in particular were being violated?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 08:47PM
and yeah northerners had their hands dirty in the institution of slavery but please dont forget washington freed his slaves and jefferson pushed for emancipation in the state of virginia, yes that would be the man who wrote all men are created equal the same declaration that you somehow believe the confederacy embodied.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 21, 2011 08:51PM
oh, let the traitors have their day, Robert
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 08:56PM
Neither Washington nor Jeferson freed their slaves; during their lifetime they each owned literally hundreds of slaves. And how is it that you didn't read the part from the declaration about the right of the people to alter or ABOLISH their government. The Confederates did this exactly the founding fathers did.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 08:57PM
Traitors like Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams. And they indeed, had their day.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:05PM
it says "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"
it doesnt say that when the south loses an election it has the right to be little babies and make their own wittle country. also im still waiting on what state rights were violated?
it doesnt say that when the south loses an election it has the right to be little babies and make their own wittle country. also im still waiting on what state rights were violated?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:06PM
Bart, the Confederate states all SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION
you dont sign a contract, then break it just cause you dont like the rules you AGREED TO at the onset
sorry, you lose -1 internets, traitor
you dont sign a contract, then break it just cause you dont like the rules you AGREED TO at the onset
sorry, you lose -1 internets, traitor
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robertisafag
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:07PM
The right of a state to choose how it governs its people, faggot.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:08PM
so can you provide an example of when the federal government stepped in and violated a states right?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:10PM
Confederate point of view - "WAAHHH I dont like that the landlord doesnt want me raping children in the building. Guess I should be able to take over my apartment and make it my own cause I feel I have the right to rape children all the live long day"
States Rights my ass - YOU SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION SO YOU ABIDE BY IT, TRAITOR SCUM
if you dont like it, move to friggin Haiti
States Rights my ass - YOU SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION SO YOU ABIDE BY IT, TRAITOR SCUM
if you dont like it, move to friggin Haiti
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
monno
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:10PM
By declaring slavery illegal in future states without that state having a say in the matter.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Boston Coll.
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:12PM
Gordon-
They signed the constitution shoch does NOT say that it cannot secede. They were acting within their rights. You continuous analogies show that you fail to grasp simple concepts. I have never heard of the Civil War being compared to a lease agreement, probably because it is such a shit argument.
They signed the constitution shoch does NOT say that it cannot secede. They were acting within their rights. You continuous analogies show that you fail to grasp simple concepts. I have never heard of the Civil War being compared to a lease agreement, probably because it is such a shit argument.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
billy
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:14PM
why would states have a say in territories? dderrrr rhode island has the state right on what goes on in utah derrrrr no white people are allowed to work there were gonna let big money planters come in and let the slaves do all the work and let the majority of whites be poor.. hurrah for dixie!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
'Robert' = BRAINDEAD IDIOT
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:18PM
'Robert' wrote :
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> "so can you provide an example of when the
> federal government stepped in and violated
> a states right?"
'monno' wrote :
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> "By declaring slavery illegal in future states without
> that state having a say in the matter."
LOOKS LIKE HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
FINDING AN EXAMPLE, HUH DIPSHIT ?
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> "so can you provide an example of when the
> federal government stepped in and violated
> a states right?"
'monno' wrote :
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> "By declaring slavery illegal in future states without
> that state having a say in the matter."
LOOKS LIKE HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
FINDING AN EXAMPLE, HUH DIPSHIT ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 09:22PM
I stand corrected.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:22PM
i guess the northern men having a say in the matter was really the right being violated then eh dip shit? i mean when they elected a man who ran on the platform of his own plan on what to do with the territories the south secedes. so im confused on your argument. dip shit.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:23PM
hahah i clearly didnt write that
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:25PM
Colonies in 1776: Waaa Waaa the zing is a big Jeanie,,boo hoo boo hoo the King said I am part of the British Empire, Waaaa Waaaa I wanna have my own country so I can import negroes from Boston and new York...Waaa waaaa
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Fras
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:28PM
Washington is traitor scum..Jefferson is trait scum
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:29PM
i wouldnt say that
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:33PM
Washington did lead a lawless, traitorous, and violent rebellion against the rightful and legal authority of his country. Washington, was, in fact, a traitor.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 09:46PM
'Robert' wrote :
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> "so can you provide an example of when the
> federal government stepped in and violated
> a states right?"
'monno' wrote :
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> "By declaring slavery illegal in future states without
> that state having a say in the matter."
Um, we were talking about States Rights, I thought
not FUTURE States - what sorta bullshit is that?
Lordy, y'all grasping at straws
and I love the comparison of the traitor-states to the Colonies.
The Colonies were being taxed without representation in English Parliment . ALL the traitorstates had representation in the US Congress, they just were just all butthurt things werent going their way, werent mature enough to work with the system they AGREED TO, and decided to become terrorists instead.
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> "so can you provide an example of when the
> federal government stepped in and violated
> a states right?"
'monno' wrote :
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> "By declaring slavery illegal in future states without
> that state having a say in the matter."
Um, we were talking about States Rights, I thought
not FUTURE States - what sorta bullshit is that?
Lordy, y'all grasping at straws
and I love the comparison of the traitor-states to the Colonies.
The Colonies were being taxed without representation in English Parliment . ALL the traitorstates had representation in the US Congress, they just were just all butthurt things werent going their way, werent mature enough to work with the system they AGREED TO, and decided to become terrorists instead.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:48PM
about FUTURE states - like the Federal Govt doesnt have the right to decide who gets to join and how - if a new state didnt like it, they could start their own Govt or stay a territory - had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL states who AGREED and SIGNED the Constituion already
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:51PM
Posted by: Boston Coll. ()
Date: March 21, 2011 09:12PM
Gordon-
They signed the constitution shoch does NOT say that it cannot secede. They were acting within their rights. You continuous analogies show that you fail to grasp simple concepts. I have never heard of the Civil War being compared to a lease agreement, probably because it is such a shit argument.
BULLSHIT! You sign a contract, you cant break it unless it says you can, or when you can, or when it is over
and that's what the US Constituion is, a CONTRACT
the traitor-states didnt like how the game was being played, so they opened fire with guns INSTEAD of playing politix like grow-ups do
It's not like they didnt have Congressmen in DC, or not know how to be Senators.
They couldnt play the game, so they tried to change the rules, plain and simple
Fucking traitors
Date: March 21, 2011 09:12PM
Gordon-
They signed the constitution shoch does NOT say that it cannot secede. They were acting within their rights. You continuous analogies show that you fail to grasp simple concepts. I have never heard of the Civil War being compared to a lease agreement, probably because it is such a shit argument.
BULLSHIT! You sign a contract, you cant break it unless it says you can, or when you can, or when it is over
and that's what the US Constituion is, a CONTRACT
the traitor-states didnt like how the game was being played, so they opened fire with guns INSTEAD of playing politix like grow-ups do
It's not like they didnt have Congressmen in DC, or not know how to be Senators.
They couldnt play the game, so they tried to change the rules, plain and simple
Fucking traitors
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
GORDON BLVD = STRAW GRASPER
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Date: March 21, 2011 09:55PM
'robert' wrote :
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> "i guess the northern men having a say in the matter was really
> the right being violated then eh dip shit?
SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE "GRASPING @ STRAWS"
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> "i guess the northern men having a say in the matter was really
> the right being violated then eh dip shit?
SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE "GRASPING @ STRAWS"
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
robert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 09:58PM
still waiting for an example of state right that was violated here
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
PHenry
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:05PM
Gordon-
You are thinking about this in 21st century terms. The Federal Government was not as strong and all-encompassing as it is today (mostly thanks to the outcome of the Civil War). The right that most commonly violated was that of nullification - I will let you research that on your own so I am not accused of having a slant one way or another.
I have given you an example of a state right being infringed, please point me to the section in the Constitution that says it is forbidden for a state to secede. You at least owe us that as you keep asking others to defend their position. Defend yours.
You are thinking about this in 21st century terms. The Federal Government was not as strong and all-encompassing as it is today (mostly thanks to the outcome of the Civil War). The right that most commonly violated was that of nullification - I will let you research that on your own so I am not accused of having a slant one way or another.
I have given you an example of a state right being infringed, please point me to the section in the Constitution that says it is forbidden for a state to secede. You at least owe us that as you keep asking others to defend their position. Defend yours.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
gaybert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:07PM
HOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE SOUTHERNERS TO HAVE A VOTE AND NOT BE RULED
BY A DICTATORSHIP STYLE GOVERNMENT OF LIBERAL PUKES WHO FIND THEIR OWN
SPECIAL MEANING IN THE CONSTITUTION.
STILL WAITING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT SAYS IN THE CONSTITUION THAT
SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL AND ALSO WAITING FOR A REASON WHY THE OPINIONS OF
THE NORTHERN STATES TRUMPED THE OPINIONS OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.
BY A DICTATORSHIP STYLE GOVERNMENT OF LIBERAL PUKES WHO FIND THEIR OWN
SPECIAL MEANING IN THE CONSTITUTION.
STILL WAITING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT SAYS IN THE CONSTITUION THAT
SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL AND ALSO WAITING FOR A REASON WHY THE OPINIONS OF
THE NORTHERN STATES TRUMPED THE OPINIONS OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:17PM
George Washington is a butt hurt terrorist traitor.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Hubert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:20PM
Washington was also a deadbeat. The traitors of the American revolution were just trying to avoid paying their fair share, thru lawful taxes, of the costs the Crown absorbed protecting their sorry deadbeat terrorist asses during the French and Indian war. "Taxation without representation". Pfft, what propagandistic rot.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:26PM
yeah, Robert - it's kinda funny how they are still glossing over that simple little fact, eh?
There were only a few of them at the time - you'd think if the Feds had really done something, they'd have been able to point something out by now LoLz
My favorite argume by them so far is "Posted by: PHenry ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:05PM
You are thinking about this in 21st century terms. The Federal Government was not as strong and all-encompassing as it is today
So because the Federal Govt wasnt as strong as it was, it was ok to turn guns on it instead of deal with the South's grevious thru the LEGAL means that were given to them since ALL the Southern states had legal representation in Congress, y'know?
There were only a few of them at the time - you'd think if the Feds had really done something, they'd have been able to point something out by now LoLz
My favorite argume by them so far is "Posted by: PHenry ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:05PM
You are thinking about this in 21st century terms. The Federal Government was not as strong and all-encompassing as it is today
So because the Federal Govt wasnt as strong as it was, it was ok to turn guns on it instead of deal with the South's grevious thru the LEGAL means that were given to them since ALL the Southern states had legal representation in Congress, y'know?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:28PM
Posted by: gaybert ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:07PM
HOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE SOUTHERNERS TO HAVE A VOTE AND NOT BE RULED
BY A DICTATORSHIP STYLE GOVERNMENT OF LIBERAL PUKES WHO FIND THEIR OWN
SPECIAL MEANING IN THE CONSTITUTION.
STILL WAITING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT SAYS IN THE CONSTITUION THAT
SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL AND ALSO WAITING FOR A REASON WHY THE OPINIONS OF
THE NORTHERN STATES TRUMPED THE OPINIONS OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.
um, I thought this was about state's rights, not slavery?
oh, and the Northern States trumped the Southen States cause aparently, the Southern states lacked the ability to make an common sense argument - same as y'all seem to be doing
ROFLMAO@you
Date: March 21, 2011 10:07PM
HOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE SOUTHERNERS TO HAVE A VOTE AND NOT BE RULED
BY A DICTATORSHIP STYLE GOVERNMENT OF LIBERAL PUKES WHO FIND THEIR OWN
SPECIAL MEANING IN THE CONSTITUTION.
STILL WAITING FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT SAYS IN THE CONSTITUION THAT
SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL AND ALSO WAITING FOR A REASON WHY THE OPINIONS OF
THE NORTHERN STATES TRUMPED THE OPINIONS OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.
um, I thought this was about state's rights, not slavery?
oh, and the Northern States trumped the Southen States cause aparently, the Southern states lacked the ability to make an common sense argument - same as y'all seem to be doing
ROFLMAO@you
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:29PM
@Tully, Hubert - then why the fuck are y'all still here
get yr ass out of my country, traitorfucks - go back to Goonbia or Outer Buttfuckistan, or wherever it is you inbreds come from
get yr ass out of my country, traitorfucks - go back to Goonbia or Outer Buttfuckistan, or wherever it is you inbreds come from
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:32PM
Yeah, there is a reason not a single confederate was ever tried or convitrd for treason. Largely because the war criminal north count possibly ake out a case for it.
Roflmao@you!!
Roflmao@you!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
PHenry
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:33PM
Gordon-
A couple of posts ago I asked you to show us where in the Constitution it says you cannot secede. You have failed to do this, and your arguments now sound childish. Thank you for showing your true colors.
A couple of posts ago I asked you to show us where in the Constitution it says you cannot secede. You have failed to do this, and your arguments now sound childish. Thank you for showing your true colors.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tuly
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
Get the Phuket outta here and go back to the peoples republic of Boston or what ghetto dwelling urban cesspool you comrade from.
Roflmao@you
Roflmao@you
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
BillyZ
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
"get yr ass out of my country, traitorfucks"
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:36PM
nobody's given me an example of how any Southern state's right was infringed upon.
The Civil War happened because of Coulda-Shoulda-Wouldas
The South was so afraid they couldnt LEGALLY argue slavery as a way of life, they decided to become traitors instead. They had PLENTY of time, and all the LEGAL REPRESENTATION that all states had at the time
And they couldnt do it, so they resorted to guns
same as any common thug would these days in a drug deal gone bad
Slavery was the South's crack rock ROFLMAO!!!
they couldnt handle life without their fix so they had to "get their gat" and "start poppin' caps" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
The Civil War happened because of Coulda-Shoulda-Wouldas
The South was so afraid they couldnt LEGALLY argue slavery as a way of life, they decided to become traitors instead. They had PLENTY of time, and all the LEGAL REPRESENTATION that all states had at the time
And they couldnt do it, so they resorted to guns
same as any common thug would these days in a drug deal gone bad
Slavery was the South's crack rock ROFLMAO!!!
they couldnt handle life without their fix so they had to "get their gat" and "start poppin' caps" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:36PM
Come on Gordon, you ignorant ape, show us all where the constitution prohibits secession. Filthy butt hurt moron.
Roflmao@you!!
Roflmao@you!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:38PM
Slavery was a positive good for the negroes who lined under it's benign and generous terms. The negroes were peaceful, productive, and disciplined. Abolutely no apologies.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:39PM
Posted by: BillyZ ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
I dont hate the United States - I hate the traitors who fought against it, though
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
I dont hate the United States - I hate the traitors who fought against it, though
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordonisagayname
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:39PM
Gordon, you have been given an example of states rights that were infringed upon (nullification). Now it's your turn to show us how secession was illegal. You cannot do it!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:39PM
Gordon Blvd wrote :
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> "um, I thought this was about state's rights, not slavery?
STATE'S RIGHTS TO HAVE A SAY ON WETHER OR NOT SLAVERY WAS LEGAL IN THEIR STATE.
SO YOU ARE CORRECT, IT WAS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS TO HAVE A VOTE.
> oh, and the Northern States trumped the Southen States cause aparently,
> the Southern states lacked the ability to make an common sense argument
> - same as y'all seem to be doing"
OH SO THE INABILTY TO MAKE WHAT A DUMBASS SUCH AS YOURSELF CONSIDERS
A "COMMON SENSE ARGUMENT", VOIDED THE SOUTHERN STATES RIGHTS ?
HOW LIBERAL OF YOU, JACKASS.
> "ROFLMAO@you"
YOU SHOULD LAY OFF THE GAY INTERNET ACRONYMS AND TRY FOCUSING NEXT TIME.
MAYBE THEN YOU WOULD NOT APPEAR SO RETARDED AND COULD MAKE A VALID ARGUMENT.
----------------------------------------
> "um, I thought this was about state's rights, not slavery?
STATE'S RIGHTS TO HAVE A SAY ON WETHER OR NOT SLAVERY WAS LEGAL IN THEIR STATE.
SO YOU ARE CORRECT, IT WAS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS TO HAVE A VOTE.
> oh, and the Northern States trumped the Southen States cause aparently,
> the Southern states lacked the ability to make an common sense argument
> - same as y'all seem to be doing"
OH SO THE INABILTY TO MAKE WHAT A DUMBASS SUCH AS YOURSELF CONSIDERS
A "COMMON SENSE ARGUMENT", VOIDED THE SOUTHERN STATES RIGHTS ?
HOW LIBERAL OF YOU, JACKASS.
> "ROFLMAO@you"
YOU SHOULD LAY OFF THE GAY INTERNET ACRONYMS AND TRY FOCUSING NEXT TIME.
MAYBE THEN YOU WOULD NOT APPEAR SO RETARDED AND COULD MAKE A VALID ARGUMENT.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
BillyZ
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:40PM
I didn't say you hate the U.S., you moron.
Posted by: BillyZ ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
I dont hate the United States - I hate the traitors who fought against it, though
Posted by: BillyZ ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:34PM
Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much.
I dont hate the United States - I hate the traitors who fought against it, though
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bart
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:40PM
Agreed. The negroe crime rate was completely under control during slavery.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:40PM
I gotta admit, pissing of traitors is VERY fun
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:42PM
Still waiting for dumb ass Gordon to show everyone where secession is outlawed undervthe constitution. Think I'm gonna read war and peace while I wait...lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:43PM
Gotta admit, pissing off union war criminals is loads and loads of fun
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Wanker88
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:43PM
Must hurt the urethra.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:40PM
I gotta admit, pissing of traitors is VERY fun
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:40PM
I gotta admit, pissing of traitors is VERY fun
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:43PM
> "Get the hell out of MY state if you hate its history so much."
IT IS NOT "YOUR STATE" YOU FAGGOT.
YOU DON'T EVEN OWN YOUR OWN OPINION.
> "I dont hate the United States
YEAH RIGHT.
> "I hate the traitors who fought against it, though"
YOU MEAN TRAITORS LIKE THE NORTHERN STATES THAT DENIED THE SOUTHERN STATES
THEIR FAIR SAY ?
I AGREE.
IT IS NOT "YOUR STATE" YOU FAGGOT.
YOU DON'T EVEN OWN YOUR OWN OPINION.
> "I dont hate the United States
YEAH RIGHT.
> "I hate the traitors who fought against it, though"
YOU MEAN TRAITORS LIKE THE NORTHERN STATES THAT DENIED THE SOUTHERN STATES
THEIR FAIR SAY ?
I AGREE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:44PM
Still waiting there Gordon...lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:46PM
Hey Gordon, I'll give you a hint...the list of prohibitions against the states is in article 1' section 10. Start there, but you not find it...lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:47PM
Still waiting Gordon...where oh where is the restriction against secession in the constitution..find it yet...lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:48PM
about 'valid' arguments - y'all hillbillies still havent answered Robert's orignal question about what state's right was violated. And you act like it's legal to break a contract when there are no stipulations on when/where that legally binding contract can be broken.
I cant teach law to ppl too stupid to understand basic 11th grade logic, much less figure out why you are so upset for me calling you out for yr traitorism, when you are SO PROUD OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
I mean, that's what started this whole thread in the first place - pride over the Confederate Flag
So if yr proud of the Confederacy, be proud of it - just dont act like it's part of the United States - cause it HAD A FUCKING WAR WITH THE US - and did so in an act of traitorism, plain and simple
Damn, for a peoples so allegedly proud of themselves, you really do end up sounding like a bunch cry-babys - I'm really stunned by how easy this has been.
I wonder if any of y'all will scrap up enough gray matter and actually be able to answer Robert's question, and not resort to hypothetical "future states"
or just mimic my comments back to me - that's so 3rd grade o_0
I cant teach law to ppl too stupid to understand basic 11th grade logic, much less figure out why you are so upset for me calling you out for yr traitorism, when you are SO PROUD OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
I mean, that's what started this whole thread in the first place - pride over the Confederate Flag
So if yr proud of the Confederacy, be proud of it - just dont act like it's part of the United States - cause it HAD A FUCKING WAR WITH THE US - and did so in an act of traitorism, plain and simple
Damn, for a peoples so allegedly proud of themselves, you really do end up sounding like a bunch cry-babys - I'm really stunned by how easy this has been.
I wonder if any of y'all will scrap up enough gray matter and actually be able to answer Robert's question, and not resort to hypothetical "future states"
or just mimic my comments back to me - that's so 3rd grade o_0
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:50PM
Just read your incoherent post there Gordon, but did not see where you identified the constitutional prohibition against secession...I guess I'll just wait some more
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:51PM
A www come on Gordon, you are so damn cock sure secession is unlawful, surely you can show everyone where that is in the constitution....
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Alex Hamilton
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:52PM
The premable to the Constitution sums it up:
We the People of the United States do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America, which a closeted homosexual named Gordon Blvd in Northern Virginia will talk about but not quote, as the references he is making do not actually exist within this document. We the convention have also left out any references to fisting, as Mr. Blvd finds it enjoyable and we want to deprive him of that. Also, he interferes with farm animals.
We the People of the United States do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America, which a closeted homosexual named Gordon Blvd in Northern Virginia will talk about but not quote, as the references he is making do not actually exist within this document. We the convention have also left out any references to fisting, as Mr. Blvd finds it enjoyable and we want to deprive him of that. Also, he interferes with farm animals.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:52PM
Surely gordon, if it was there, you would just love to show us...come on now dumb ass everyone is waiting...
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:53PM
nice troll fail there, Tully lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
tardo
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:55PM
Gordo-
You have been given the example of nullification several times and yet you still say that no one has given you an example. Are you functionally illiterate or something?
You have been given the example of nullification several times and yet you still say that no one has given you an example. Are you functionally illiterate or something?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:57PM
sigh - my friends here are right - reasoning with hillbillies on the intraweb is silly
I've pointed out how there is no legal was to break a contract you agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset, but again you gloss over that simple little fact, Tully
but thanks for showing how loyal to the "Confederacy" y'all really are
cause we over here still have no earthly idea why it matters to you how the United States feels about it - since you BETRAYED her, and TOOK UP ARMS against her
I've pointed out how there is no legal was to break a contract you agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset, but again you gloss over that simple little fact, Tully
but thanks for showing how loyal to the "Confederacy" y'all really are
cause we over here still have no earthly idea why it matters to you how the United States feels about it - since you BETRAYED her, and TOOK UP ARMS against her
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 21, 2011 10:58PM
and tully, the name changing is about as pathetic as yr mom is walking down Rt 1 - see ya tomorrow ;)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
hedder
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:00PM
"I've pointed out how there is no legal was to break a contract you agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset"
You're just making stuff up! That would never hold any water in any court!
You're just making stuff up! That would never hold any water in any court!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
huh?!
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:01PM
Gordon - So if my contract does not specifically say that a group of Mexicans are not allowed to enter my apartment at 3am, then they can just do that?!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:03PM
grant>Lee
Lincoln>davis
so long losers of the war,
cant deal with you n word using babies anymore
learn how to read and then pick up some books written by decorated historian not southern sympathizers.
later haters!
Lincoln>davis
so long losers of the war,
cant deal with you n word using babies anymore
learn how to read and then pick up some books written by decorated historian not southern sympathizers.
later haters!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:03PM
Gordon, you pathetic moron, leave your whore mother and pimp father out of this, asshole.Now show me where the constitution prohibits secession. Stupid asshole.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:04PM
sugh..no reply from the ghetto dwellers...
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Robert
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:07PM
Can we please get back to the original topic - you all have strayed far off of it! Now, when fisting myself, is it better to use KY or Smuckers jelly?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
CONTRACTS 101
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:12PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
----------------------------
> "I've pointed out how there is no legal was to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset, but
> again you gloss over that simple little fact, Tully."
WRONG AGAIN, DUMBASS.
*ANY* CONTRACT CAN BE VOIDED IF ONE PARTY
BREAKS IT'S *CONTRACTUAL* OBLIGATION.
GLOSS THAT OVER.
----------------------------
> "I've pointed out how there is no legal was to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset, but
> again you gloss over that simple little fact, Tully."
WRONG AGAIN, DUMBASS.
*ANY* CONTRACT CAN BE VOIDED IF ONE PARTY
BREAKS IT'S *CONTRACTUAL* OBLIGATION.
GLOSS THAT OVER.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd = BRAINDEAD NIGGER
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:18PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
---------------------------------------
> " - since you BETRAYED her, and TOOK UP ARMS against her"
ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN STATES THAT BETRAYED THE UNITED STATES
BY ILLEGALLY TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST THE SOUTH LIKE THE MURDEROUS TRAITORS
THEY WERE.
---------------------------------------
> " - since you BETRAYED her, and TOOK UP ARMS against her"
ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN STATES THAT BETRAYED THE UNITED STATES
BY ILLEGALLY TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST THE SOUTH LIKE THE MURDEROUS TRAITORS
THEY WERE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
oliver
()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:50PM
yeah that makes sense
ALL THE HISTORY BOOKS GOT IT WRONG!!!
we better do somethin my southern bretheren urrrrrrr damn northern agression, making it so lincoln gets elected and we cant quit!!!!
ALL THE HISTORY BOOKS GOT IT WRONG!!!
we better do somethin my southern bretheren urrrrrrr damn northern agression, making it so lincoln gets elected and we cant quit!!!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
BRAIN FRAGMENTS
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:01AM
LINCOLN ?
THAT MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR GOT WHAT HE DESERVED WITH
A SWIFT BULLET TO THE BRAIN.
BESIDES, WHY IS 'Gordon Blvd' POSTING IN OTHER THREADS BUT IS
NOT DEFENDING HIS POSITION ON CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS ?
GEEZ, MAYBE HE DECIDED TO SHUT UP BECAUSE HE REALISED WHAT AN
INCREDIBLE ASSWIPE HIS REPETITVE NIEVE BALOGNA MADE HIM LOOK.
THAT MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR GOT WHAT HE DESERVED WITH
A SWIFT BULLET TO THE BRAIN.
BESIDES, WHY IS 'Gordon Blvd' POSTING IN OTHER THREADS BUT IS
NOT DEFENDING HIS POSITION ON CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS ?
GEEZ, MAYBE HE DECIDED TO SHUT UP BECAUSE HE REALISED WHAT AN
INCREDIBLE ASSWIPE HIS REPETITVE NIEVE BALOGNA MADE HIM LOOK.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
oliver
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:03AM
yeah im with you brother that long armeed ape lincoln had no right to free niggers!!! hes a murderer he murdered people durr. if it wasnt for him id still be able to sit and watch nigs make me money and i wount have to do shit, of course id be no more educated than i am today.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Where in the World is Gordon Blvd ?
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:19AM
> "yeah im with you brother that long armeed ape lincoln
> had no right to free niggers!!!
NO HE DIDN'T.
THEY WERE NOT CITIZENS THAT WERE TO BE GOVERNED BY HIM.
THEY WERE PROPERTY.
BESIDES, THIS FREE THE SLAVES CRAP WAS MOST LIKELY POLITICAL CRAP
DONE TO GAIN FAVOR WITH VOTERS.
MUCH LIKE TODAY.
> "hes a murderer"
SURE WAS, HE ORDERED THE KILLING OF AMERICANS OVER PROPERTY
THEY LEGALLY AND FAIRLY BOUGHT FROM NIGGERS IN AFRICA.
> "he murdered people durr."
DURR ?
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GAY-SPEAK I'M NOT HIP TO.
> "if it wasnt for him id still be able to sit and
> watch nigs make me money and i wount have to do shit,
WELL BEING THEY HAD TO GET THEIR ASSES BEAT ON A REGULAR BASIS,
I DOUBT THEY WERE TO AWFUL PRODUCTIVE.
THEN THERE WERE THE LIVE-IN HOUSE MAID TYPE SLAVES, BUT THAT DOESN'T
PAINT A HORRIBLE ENOUGH PICTURE FOR YOU NOW DOES IT ?
> "of course id be no more educated than i am today."
YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD RETARD NEW TRICKS.
> had no right to free niggers!!!
NO HE DIDN'T.
THEY WERE NOT CITIZENS THAT WERE TO BE GOVERNED BY HIM.
THEY WERE PROPERTY.
BESIDES, THIS FREE THE SLAVES CRAP WAS MOST LIKELY POLITICAL CRAP
DONE TO GAIN FAVOR WITH VOTERS.
MUCH LIKE TODAY.
> "hes a murderer"
SURE WAS, HE ORDERED THE KILLING OF AMERICANS OVER PROPERTY
THEY LEGALLY AND FAIRLY BOUGHT FROM NIGGERS IN AFRICA.
> "he murdered people durr."
DURR ?
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GAY-SPEAK I'M NOT HIP TO.
> "if it wasnt for him id still be able to sit and
> watch nigs make me money and i wount have to do shit,
WELL BEING THEY HAD TO GET THEIR ASSES BEAT ON A REGULAR BASIS,
I DOUBT THEY WERE TO AWFUL PRODUCTIVE.
THEN THERE WERE THE LIVE-IN HOUSE MAID TYPE SLAVES, BUT THAT DOESN'T
PAINT A HORRIBLE ENOUGH PICTURE FOR YOU NOW DOES IT ?
> "of course id be no more educated than i am today."
YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD RETARD NEW TRICKS.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:40AM
There is so much i want to say..
i find this subject very interesting and fun to debate...
however, instead of continuing this argument..
i would just like to say...I FUCKING HATE GORDON BLVD....
I see his posts on this site all the time and i just know he is the type of person i would hate if i met him....
anyways, carry on robert and bart.
i find this subject very interesting and fun to debate...
however, instead of continuing this argument..
i would just like to say...I FUCKING HATE GORDON BLVD....
I see his posts on this site all the time and i just know he is the type of person i would hate if i met him....
anyways, carry on robert and bart.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
oliver
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:41AM
the north was more productive than the south
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
formerhick76
()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:02AM
Can a government that maintains slavery and racial inequality by force of arms be truly small?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
HATE SLAVERY ? HATE AFRICA
()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:47AM
CAN A GOVERNMENT THAT FORCES PROPERTY OWNERS TO FORFEIT PROPERTY THAT
WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED TO SERVE THOSE WHO WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY WALK
ON A MORAL HIGH GROUND, TRULY BE JUST ?
WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED TO SERVE THOSE WHO WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY WALK
ON A MORAL HIGH GROUND, TRULY BE JUST ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:04AM
Tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Still waiting Gordon...where oh where is the
> restriction against secession in the
> constitution..find it yet...lol
The Supreme Court ruled that unilateral secession was unconstitutional, look up Texas v. White. If you don't like America, move.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Still waiting Gordon...where oh where is the
> restriction against secession in the
> constitution..find it yet...lol
The Supreme Court ruled that unilateral secession was unconstitutional, look up Texas v. White. If you don't like America, move.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:04AM
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:02AM
Can a government that maintains slavery and racial inequality by force of arms be truly small?
only their penises
@ Jimmy James - I'm honoured to have yr hate, sir - Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz
@ loser - Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd = BRAINDEAD NIGGER ()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:18PM
um, I love how you think I'm black - now That's pretty hilarious
Date: March 22, 2011 08:02AM
Can a government that maintains slavery and racial inequality by force of arms be truly small?
only their penises
@ Jimmy James - I'm honoured to have yr hate, sir - Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz
@ loser - Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd = BRAINDEAD NIGGER ()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:18PM
um, I love how you think I'm black - now That's pretty hilarious
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:12AM
Texas v White can't helpnyou at all, since it was decided well after the states had already seceded. Not to mention it is garbage. And if you don't like it, move.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:15AM
Tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Texas v White can't helpnyou at all, since it was
> decided well after the states had already seceded.
> Not to mention it is garbage. And if you don't
> like it, move.
Arguments like this clearly illustrate why being a Southerner has such negative connotations associated with it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Texas v White can't helpnyou at all, since it was
> decided well after the states had already seceded.
> Not to mention it is garbage. And if you don't
> like it, move.
Arguments like this clearly illustrate why being a Southerner has such negative connotations associated with it.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:18AM
Go ahead Meeper, show me where the constitution prohibits secession. Lol. Meeper is an embodiment of why being a northerner has such negative connotations associated with it.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:27AM
The Supreme Court ruled it as unconstitutional, enough said. It was all settled and enforceable over 100 years before your stupid ass was even born.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:32AM
The Supreme Court said negroes did not have rights as citizens, snuff said. Right? You pathetic ignorant dumb ass. Now go ahead dipshit, show me where the constitution says secession is illegal. I'll wait. Moron.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:37AM
Tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Supreme Court said negroes did not have rights
> as citizens, snuff said. Right?
See the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Ignoring reality is really a silly way of trying to prove your point.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Supreme Court said negroes did not have rights
> as citizens, snuff said. Right?
See the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Ignoring reality is really a silly way of trying to prove your point.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:40AM
Not gonna show me where the constitution prohibits secession, huh? Putting your ignorant unlettered head in the sand won't get you off the hook dipshit.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:43AM
Tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not gonna show me where the constitution prohibits
> secession, huh?
Go read the Texas v. White decision, I already told you that. I don't have time to sit here and argue with some white-trash knucklehead.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not gonna show me where the constitution prohibits
> secession, huh?
Go read the Texas v. White decision, I already told you that. I don't have time to sit here and argue with some white-trash knucklehead.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:45AM
Go read the constitution. And I told you, I don't have time to argue with some trailer trash moron.
There is nothing better than watching Tully mimic
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:57AM
You know you win when they cant come up with an original post, and just copy what you say, Meeper
I'm not too sure what Tully is trying to prove. The Confederate states "suck-seeded" (LoLz) from the United States to form their own country. That's kinda fact.
they fired on the United States like Al-Quida, and kinda just went from there.
and you act like that's all lickety-split fine. Ok, that's yr right (as an American, which is REALLY kinda funny, but neither here nor there) to believe what you want.
But those states were committing acts of TREASON against the United States at the time, cause they A) STARTED THEIR OWN COUNTRY and B) MADE WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Has nothing to do with the reasoning, or how anybody feels about slavery, states, rights, what have you
You come off sounding like a coward. Instead of being proud of the actions of the Confederacy, you want to hide behind the VERY SAME LAWS AND PROTECTIONS that the Confederacy betrayed when it turned against the US.
A TRUE CONFEDERATE PATRIOT WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY DID and then debate the merits of why it was done, not hide behind the very same Constitution they betrayed
you prolly have Confederate soldiers rolling in their graves all up and down the coast right now LoLz
I'm not too sure what Tully is trying to prove. The Confederate states "suck-seeded" (LoLz) from the United States to form their own country. That's kinda fact.
they fired on the United States like Al-Quida, and kinda just went from there.
and you act like that's all lickety-split fine. Ok, that's yr right (as an American, which is REALLY kinda funny, but neither here nor there) to believe what you want.
But those states were committing acts of TREASON against the United States at the time, cause they A) STARTED THEIR OWN COUNTRY and B) MADE WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Has nothing to do with the reasoning, or how anybody feels about slavery, states, rights, what have you
You come off sounding like a coward. Instead of being proud of the actions of the Confederacy, you want to hide behind the VERY SAME LAWS AND PROTECTIONS that the Confederacy betrayed when it turned against the US.
A TRUE CONFEDERATE PATRIOT WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY DID and then debate the merits of why it was done, not hide behind the very same Constitution they betrayed
you prolly have Confederate soldiers rolling in their graves all up and down the coast right now LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gret
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:04AM
You know you got em Tully when they can't even identify where the constitution prohibits secession. Your right, it doesn't. And that they defend the lawless murderous tyrant Lincoln, who is basically a 19th century Josef Stalin, you know they are desperate. Plus the terrorist traitors like Washington, Jefferson are also given a free pass. Gott admit tho, they are good for a few deep belly laughs.
Posted by: Gret () Date: March 22, 2011 10:04AM You know you got em Tully when they can't even identify where the constitution prohibits secession. Your right, it doesn't. And that they defend the lawless murderous tyrant Lincoln, who is basically a 19th
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:24AM
dude, if the Confederacy is a whole other country, then why do the leaders of the United States even matter to y'all
man, you make the Confederacy sound even weaker the more y'all go on in this thread!
"wahhh, we just gotta have the respect if true loyal Americans" is all I hear over and over from you types
I mean, there's nothing in the Constitution that says it's illegal to eff yr sister, so it that the reason why you think it's ok? Cause it's not, dude
WAKE UP AND JOIN US IN THE 21st Century
man, you make the Confederacy sound even weaker the more y'all go on in this thread!
"wahhh, we just gotta have the respect if true loyal Americans" is all I hear over and over from you types
I mean, there's nothing in the Constitution that says it's illegal to eff yr sister, so it that the reason why you think it's ok? Cause it's not, dude
WAKE UP AND JOIN US IN THE 21st Century
Re: There is nothing better than watching Tully mimic
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:27AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> you want to hide behind the VERY SAME LAWS AND
> PROTECTIONS that the Confederacy betrayed when it
> turned against the US.
They're arguments are filled with much irony and LOLs.
Their heritage wound up on the wrong side of history and most of the unintelligent ones can't handle that. I'd be embarrassed about that too. To cope, they've invented this fantasyland defense-mechanism in which Lincoln was a mass murderer, slaves happily worked for free, blacks were racists, traitors are patriots and the Union were traitors, the sky is purple, etc. It's something that makes no sense to anyone but a tiny percentage of people living in the southeastern US.
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>
> you want to hide behind the VERY SAME LAWS AND
> PROTECTIONS that the Confederacy betrayed when it
> turned against the US.
They're arguments are filled with much irony and LOLs.
Their heritage wound up on the wrong side of history and most of the unintelligent ones can't handle that. I'd be embarrassed about that too. To cope, they've invented this fantasyland defense-mechanism in which Lincoln was a mass murderer, slaves happily worked for free, blacks were racists, traitors are patriots and the Union were traitors, the sky is purple, etc. It's something that makes no sense to anyone but a tiny percentage of people living in the southeastern US.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:29AM
Dude, like all you keep saying, over and over and over again is Waaaa Waaa Waaa, boo hoo boo hoo the Confederates wanted their own country. I mean really dude, stop raping your sister, stop sucking your thumb, pull your ignorant filthy ass out of the gutter, read the constitution and join the 21 st century. You're a pathetic representative of the unionist sentiment
They're arguments are filled with much irony and LOLs.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:30AM
true that!!
:)
:)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gret
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:32AM
Good post Tully. These guys are soooooo damn dumb. To cope with their ignorance they invent this fantasy land where Lincoln freed the slaves and saved the union, and they even deny, hilariously, that George Washington was a traitorous slave owning terrorist.stupid and illiterate as they are, They do make ya laugh tho.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:33AM
:)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
uvhay
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:43AM
Meeper - good points, but I think they are trying to prove that secession was legal 150 years ago; before the war. Your examples are all AFTER the war, and they were passed or decided on to prevent anyone seceeding in the future.
I'm enjoying reading this back-and-forth! Except for Gordon Blvd.
I'm enjoying reading this back-and-forth! Except for Gordon Blvd.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:44AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "I've pointed out how there is no legal waY to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset,"
CARE TO DEFEND THIS STATEMENT YET, Gordo ?
DIDN'T THINK SO.
YOU MUST HAVE Googled THE SUBJECT AND
FOUND OUT WHAT A COMPLETE DUMBASS YOU ARE.
----------------------------
> "I've pointed out how there is no legal waY to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset,"
CARE TO DEFEND THIS STATEMENT YET, Gordo ?
DIDN'T THINK SO.
YOU MUST HAVE Googled THE SUBJECT AND
FOUND OUT WHAT A COMPLETE DUMBASS YOU ARE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:48AM
uvhay Wrote:
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> secession was legal 150 years ago;
> before the war. Your examples are all AFTER the
> war, and they were passed or decided on to prevent
> anyone seceeding in the future.
Incorrect. Texas v. White decided things that took place before, during, and after the war. Specifically, treasury bonds that southern states owned before they "seceded".
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> secession was legal 150 years ago;
> before the war. Your examples are all AFTER the
> war, and they were passed or decided on to prevent
> anyone seceeding in the future.
Incorrect. Texas v. White decided things that took place before, during, and after the war. Specifically, treasury bonds that southern states owned before they "seceded".
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
uvhay
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:51AM
Meeper-
Agreed, but once again it's 'after the fact'. There was no Texas v. White in 1860, so there had been no court decision making secession illegal when they seceeded.
Agreed, but once again it's 'after the fact'. There was no Texas v. White in 1860, so there had been no court decision making secession illegal when they seceeded.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:52AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
----------------------------
> "I've pointed out how there is no legal waY to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset,"
if you dont understand the basic tenents of a simple lease agreement, I'm not gonna be able to explain Constitutional law to you
Why it matters what I think or say on the matter is beyond me
Damn, the Confederacy is weak as month-old coffee if what I think about her really matters - that's why y'all were the LOSERS, obviously
----------------------------
> "I've pointed out how there is no legal waY to break a contract you
> agree to unless the stipulations are in the contract at the onset,"
if you dont understand the basic tenents of a simple lease agreement, I'm not gonna be able to explain Constitutional law to you
Why it matters what I think or say on the matter is beyond me
Damn, the Confederacy is weak as month-old coffee if what I think about her really matters - that's why y'all were the LOSERS, obviously
if I'm getting ppl mad
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:53AM
cause I hate traitors to America, so be it
I dont need love from Al-Quida, either
I dont need love from Al-Quida, either
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
iSLAVE
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:59AM
FUCK YOU AND YOUR MORONIC "LEASE AGREEMENT" DIP SHIT ANALOGY.
AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED :
*ANY* CONTRACT CAN BE VOIDED IF ONE PARTY BREAKS
IT'S BINDING *CONTRACTUAL* OBLIGATION.
AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED :
*ANY* CONTRACT CAN BE VOIDED IF ONE PARTY BREAKS
IT'S BINDING *CONTRACTUAL* OBLIGATION.
Re: if I'm getting ppl mad
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:02AM
but I love cracking up my co-workers
which is pretty easy, by simply being here and pissing off the hillbillies.
And I didnt say rednecks - cause rednecks at least are PROUD of who they are, and dont HIDE behind stuff like y'all seem to be doing
it is funny as shit that you want me to prove something in the Constitution that says "oh, you can shit all over this document all you want"
Most legal paperwork doesnt say "oh, you can break these rules whenever you feel like it". Some actually do, though. And THATS WHEN IT"S LEGAL TO DO SO - WHEN IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT.
The real question is: "show me in the US Constitution where it says secession is a legal recourse of the states who agree to become a part of the United States"
that's the common sense approach - but since y'all seem to only see it backwards (all hillbilly backwards LoLz), that way of thinking (we grown ups call it LOGIC) seems to escape you.
but hey, yr cracking me up, so I guess that's worth something :)
which is pretty easy, by simply being here and pissing off the hillbillies.
And I didnt say rednecks - cause rednecks at least are PROUD of who they are, and dont HIDE behind stuff like y'all seem to be doing
it is funny as shit that you want me to prove something in the Constitution that says "oh, you can shit all over this document all you want"
Most legal paperwork doesnt say "oh, you can break these rules whenever you feel like it". Some actually do, though. And THATS WHEN IT"S LEGAL TO DO SO - WHEN IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT.
The real question is: "show me in the US Constitution where it says secession is a legal recourse of the states who agree to become a part of the United States"
that's the common sense approach - but since y'all seem to only see it backwards (all hillbilly backwards LoLz), that way of thinking (we grown ups call it LOGIC) seems to escape you.
but hey, yr cracking me up, so I guess that's worth something :)
*ANY* CONTRACT CAN BE VOIDED IF ONE PARTY BREAKS IT'S BINDING *CONTRACTUAL* OBLIGATION.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:04AM
the Southern states had representation in Congress, and nobody but them ABANDONED the Constitutional rights given to them, BUT THEM!
this is HILARIOUS!!!!!
this is HILARIOUS!!!!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
uvhay
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:05AM
You have a very childish and non-sensical approach, Gordon. You are making less and less sense. You are repeatedly asked to prove a point you made, and you're not doing it.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:15AM
i dont have to prove anything
in case you havent noticed,
the Civil War ended over 150 years ago
nobody invovled in it actually gives a fuck what I think
and even though I proved my points I made last night, y'all just ignore it and gloss over the reality of them
I'm being very childish and nonsensical so I can communicate with those who are on this thread :)
speaking in a mature way would make their heads hurt
Seriously, why do you care what I have to say anyways? I know the Confederate States of America and her supporters were traitors to the United States. I know this cause the states that were the Confederate States of America were the VERY SAME STATES that agreed to the Constitution.
So if you are proud of the Confederacy, that's fine, that's yr business. The United States of America is such an EXCELLENT COUNTRY, that we wont hang you for the traitors you are. That's just one of the things about the US that make it Number 1
:)
in case you havent noticed,
the Civil War ended over 150 years ago
nobody invovled in it actually gives a fuck what I think
and even though I proved my points I made last night, y'all just ignore it and gloss over the reality of them
I'm being very childish and nonsensical so I can communicate with those who are on this thread :)
speaking in a mature way would make their heads hurt
Seriously, why do you care what I have to say anyways? I know the Confederate States of America and her supporters were traitors to the United States. I know this cause the states that were the Confederate States of America were the VERY SAME STATES that agreed to the Constitution.
So if you are proud of the Confederacy, that's fine, that's yr business. The United States of America is such an EXCELLENT COUNTRY, that we wont hang you for the traitors you are. That's just one of the things about the US that make it Number 1
:)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
uvhay
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:45AM
There you go again. No one is making the argument that they don't love the USA.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:21PM
they do if the support the Confederacy - a nation that DECLARED WAR on the USA
google Fort Sumter if you dont know what I'm talking about...............
man, y'all really dont know yr history, do you? o_0
reminds me of that mentality wife beaters have - they will attack their women, but still claim they love them
google Fort Sumter if you dont know what I'm talking about...............
man, y'all really dont know yr history, do you? o_0
reminds me of that mentality wife beaters have - they will attack their women, but still claim they love them
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon the idiot
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:36PM
I think someone as incoherent as you and with the spelling and punctuation skills of an eight year old should not be judging others as ignorant.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Mommmo
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:40PM
Gordon - your analogies continue to baffle. You compare the invasion of sovereign Virginia soil to an apartment lease and battered women?
I think the Civil War was most like an ice cream cone on a hot day: first it starts to melt and then you get chocolate on your hands. And THAT is why secession is illegal.
How was that?
I think the Civil War was most like an ice cream cone on a hot day: first it starts to melt and then you get chocolate on your hands. And THAT is why secession is illegal.
How was that?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
what an idiot
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:46PM
HATE GORDON BLVD...what a child.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:51PM
the following is GORDON BLVD at his finest moment....
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:04AM
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:02AM
Can a government that maintains slavery and racial inequality by force of arms be truly small?
only their penises
@ Jimmy James - I'm honoured to have yr hate, sir - Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz
@ loser - Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd = BRAINDEAD NIGGER ()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:18PM
um, I love how you think I'm black - now That's pretty hilarious
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:04AM
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:02AM
Can a government that maintains slavery and racial inequality by force of arms be truly small?
only their penises
@ Jimmy James - I'm honoured to have yr hate, sir - Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz
@ loser - Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd = BRAINDEAD NIGGER ()
Date: March 21, 2011 11:18PM
um, I love how you think I'm black - now That's pretty hilarious
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:52PM
"Sovereign" Virginia agreed to the Constitution - and backed out of it like a buncha cowards - hence the invasion.
but I like yr ice cream analogy cause yeah, at the end of the day, all you had was a big mess :)
but I like yr ice cream analogy cause yeah, at the end of the day, all you had was a big mess :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:52PM
the comment I made about wife beaters has nothing to do about the Civil War - that was directed to the mentality of those who claim to love somebody (or in this case something) that they CHOOSE to attack.
Nobody forced the Confederacy to "suck-seed" (LoLz) or start a war. They ahad legitimate representation in Congress, they choose to fight. And I'm not even arguing the what's, why's, etc. I'm just saying that to be loyal to a Country that declared war on the United States is an act of treason, being a traitor to the United States, plain and simple.
We over here are all kinda surprised at the fact ppl who are so allegedly proud of their country cant get over the fact that the someone from the Country they fought is calling them out on their treason - I mean, this WHOLE THREAD started by praising the flag of a nation that made war with the US so it's not like I'm making up stuff, y'know?
Nobody forced the Confederacy to "suck-seed" (LoLz) or start a war. They ahad legitimate representation in Congress, they choose to fight. And I'm not even arguing the what's, why's, etc. I'm just saying that to be loyal to a Country that declared war on the United States is an act of treason, being a traitor to the United States, plain and simple.
We over here are all kinda surprised at the fact ppl who are so allegedly proud of their country cant get over the fact that the someone from the Country they fought is calling them out on their treason - I mean, this WHOLE THREAD started by praising the flag of a nation that made war with the US so it's not like I'm making up stuff, y'know?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 12:57PM
if y'all can hate someone just for how they feel, then that's pretty sad in and of itself
me, I'll hate you for actual actions - like declaring war on the US like Hitler or Jefferson Davis did , or attacking the United States like Al Quida or the Confederacy did
go ahead, waste time trying to explain how the Confederacy didnt actually have a war with the US. o_0
me, I'll hate you for actual actions - like declaring war on the US like Hitler or Jefferson Davis did , or attacking the United States like Al Quida or the Confederacy did
go ahead, waste time trying to explain how the Confederacy didnt actually have a war with the US. o_0
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 01:23PM
Gordon BLVD
we dont hate you because of the way you feel on this subject..
we hate you because you approach this so child like ...anyone past the fifth grade that still does "Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz " type of jokes...is an idiot.
and most of us here are debating the legality of the civil war (wich is an interesting debate)...both sides make great arguments....im sick of you saying everyone who argues for the confederacy is all traitors....these people simply believe that the south had a right to secede(AT THAT TIME)...i believe the south had that right...however im not going to argue it here, because im dealing with you, GORDON BLVD, and your response will be something totally irrelevant or about my mom."LOLz"..
also none of us are saying we support slavery or secession from the United States in THIS DAY AND AGE....we are simply saying AT THAT TIME in history it made sense for the Southern states to secede..or as you would like to call it "suck-seed..Lolz"..
life was different in the 19th century..politics were different...the country was so much younger....slavery existed since the beginning of time, but the times were changing....industrialization vs plantation system....old way of life clashing with the new way of life....the people back then were more loyal to their state rather than their country...it was a different way of life....you have to put that into perspective...
I (personally) side with the confederates' belief that they had the right to succeed and fend for their rights/way of life....but the north had well intentions and preserving the union was justifiable. both sides make good arguments....but to each their own....
also please learn to spell....and since you are such a patriot...you should learn that the united states was attacked by al-Qaeda...not Al Quida.....
Thanks,
Jimmy James
we dont hate you because of the way you feel on this subject..
we hate you because you approach this so child like ...anyone past the fifth grade that still does "Yr mom said the same thing to me last night LoLz " type of jokes...is an idiot.
and most of us here are debating the legality of the civil war (wich is an interesting debate)...both sides make great arguments....im sick of you saying everyone who argues for the confederacy is all traitors....these people simply believe that the south had a right to secede(AT THAT TIME)...i believe the south had that right...however im not going to argue it here, because im dealing with you, GORDON BLVD, and your response will be something totally irrelevant or about my mom."LOLz"..
also none of us are saying we support slavery or secession from the United States in THIS DAY AND AGE....we are simply saying AT THAT TIME in history it made sense for the Southern states to secede..or as you would like to call it "suck-seed..Lolz"..
life was different in the 19th century..politics were different...the country was so much younger....slavery existed since the beginning of time, but the times were changing....industrialization vs plantation system....old way of life clashing with the new way of life....the people back then were more loyal to their state rather than their country...it was a different way of life....you have to put that into perspective...
I (personally) side with the confederates' belief that they had the right to succeed and fend for their rights/way of life....but the north had well intentions and preserving the union was justifiable. both sides make good arguments....but to each their own....
also please learn to spell....and since you are such a patriot...you should learn that the united states was attacked by al-Qaeda...not Al Quida.....
Thanks,
Jimmy James
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 01:48PM
OMG
if you care enough about Al-coo-coo to demand I spell their name right
then you need a foot up yr ass, bro
'nuff said
if you care enough about Al-coo-coo to demand I spell their name right
then you need a foot up yr ass, bro
'nuff said
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 01:59PM
p.s debating the legality of a past war is kinda stupid - both sides committed attrocities and a lotta ppl died
but that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I've said.
All I said is that the act of starting a new country and declaring war on the US is an act of treason, and traitors
then everyone started getting all butthurt, defending the Confederacy like the act of Treason is comparable to violating HOV rules or something
and still, nobody ever pointed out one thing that other dude asked about how the Feds infringed on the rights of the Southern states before they decided to abandon the US and turn traitor
no hate here, other than towards those loyal to someone who attacks the US, that's all
be it the Confederacy or Al-Crackheads
but that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I've said.
All I said is that the act of starting a new country and declaring war on the US is an act of treason, and traitors
then everyone started getting all butthurt, defending the Confederacy like the act of Treason is comparable to violating HOV rules or something
and still, nobody ever pointed out one thing that other dude asked about how the Feds infringed on the rights of the Southern states before they decided to abandon the US and turn traitor
no hate here, other than towards those loyal to someone who attacks the US, that's all
be it the Confederacy or Al-Crackheads
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 02:41PM
GORDON, i never understand what the fuck you are trying to say man. its funny cause the way you come across, i imagine you as some ignorant redneck...perhaps you are an ignorant Yankee redneck...i s'pose....how is debating the legality of a war "kinda stupid" ?? because it was so fucked up and a lot of people died, you rule it uninteresting topic to discuss and neglect it to debate?
GORDON, a history lesson for you.. READ THE FOLLOWING....i hope this clears up everything for the rest of you too.
Following the Declaration of Independence, each colony established by law the legitimacy of its own sovereignty as a state. Each one drew up, voted upon, and then ratified its own state constitution, which declared and defined its sovereignty as a state. Realizing that they could not survive upon the world stage as thirteen individual sovereign nations, the states then joined together formally into a confederation of states, but only for the purposes of negotiating treaties, waging war, and regulating foreign commerce. For those specific purposes the thirteen states adopted the Articles of Confederation in 1781, thus creating the United States of America. The Articles of Confederation spelled out clearly where the real power lay. Article II said, “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.” The Article also prohibited the secession of any member state (“the union shall be perpetual,” Article XIII) unless all of the states agreed to dissolve the Articles.!!!!!
dun dun dun!
Six years later!, the Constitutional Convention was convened in Philadelphia, supposedly to overhaul the Articles. The delegates in Philadelphia decided to scrap the Articles and to propose to the states a different charter—the United States Constitution. Its purpose was to RETAIN the Sovereignty of the States but to delegate to the United States government a few more powers than the Articles had granted it. One MAJOR difference between the two charters was that the Constitution made NO MENTION of “perpetual union,” and it did not contain any prohibition against the secession of states from the union!!!!! The point was raised in the convention: Should there be a “perpetual union” clause in the Constitution? The delegates voted it down, and the states were left free to secede under the Constitution.
Some people like GORDON BLVD see the Confederates as traitors to their nation because many Confederate leaders swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when joining the United States Army. However, at that time people were citizens of individual states that were members of the United States, so that when a state seceded, the citizens of that state were no longer affiliated with the national government. Remember, the Constitution did not create an all-powerful national democracy, but rather a confederation of sovereign states. The existence of the Electoral College, the Bill of Rights, and the United States Senate clearly shows this, and although it is frequently ignored, the 10th Amendment specifically states that the rights not given to the federal government are the rights of the states and of the people. But if states do not have the right to secede, they have no rights at all. Lincoln’s war destroyed the government of our founding fathers by the “might makes right” method, a method the Republicans used to quash Confederates and loyal Democrats alike.
After the war, Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy, was arrested and placed in prison prior to a trial. The trial was never held, because the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Mr. Salmon Portland Chase, informed President Andrew Johnson that if Davis were placed on trial for treason the United States would lose the case because nothing in the Constitution forbids secession. That is why no trial of Jefferson Davis was held, despite the fact that he wanted one.
So was secession treason? The answer is clearly No.
GORDON, a history lesson for you.. READ THE FOLLOWING....i hope this clears up everything for the rest of you too.
Following the Declaration of Independence, each colony established by law the legitimacy of its own sovereignty as a state. Each one drew up, voted upon, and then ratified its own state constitution, which declared and defined its sovereignty as a state. Realizing that they could not survive upon the world stage as thirteen individual sovereign nations, the states then joined together formally into a confederation of states, but only for the purposes of negotiating treaties, waging war, and regulating foreign commerce. For those specific purposes the thirteen states adopted the Articles of Confederation in 1781, thus creating the United States of America. The Articles of Confederation spelled out clearly where the real power lay. Article II said, “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.” The Article also prohibited the secession of any member state (“the union shall be perpetual,” Article XIII) unless all of the states agreed to dissolve the Articles.!!!!!
dun dun dun!
Six years later!, the Constitutional Convention was convened in Philadelphia, supposedly to overhaul the Articles. The delegates in Philadelphia decided to scrap the Articles and to propose to the states a different charter—the United States Constitution. Its purpose was to RETAIN the Sovereignty of the States but to delegate to the United States government a few more powers than the Articles had granted it. One MAJOR difference between the two charters was that the Constitution made NO MENTION of “perpetual union,” and it did not contain any prohibition against the secession of states from the union!!!!! The point was raised in the convention: Should there be a “perpetual union” clause in the Constitution? The delegates voted it down, and the states were left free to secede under the Constitution.
Some people like GORDON BLVD see the Confederates as traitors to their nation because many Confederate leaders swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when joining the United States Army. However, at that time people were citizens of individual states that were members of the United States, so that when a state seceded, the citizens of that state were no longer affiliated with the national government. Remember, the Constitution did not create an all-powerful national democracy, but rather a confederation of sovereign states. The existence of the Electoral College, the Bill of Rights, and the United States Senate clearly shows this, and although it is frequently ignored, the 10th Amendment specifically states that the rights not given to the federal government are the rights of the states and of the people. But if states do not have the right to secede, they have no rights at all. Lincoln’s war destroyed the government of our founding fathers by the “might makes right” method, a method the Republicans used to quash Confederates and loyal Democrats alike.
After the war, Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy, was arrested and placed in prison prior to a trial. The trial was never held, because the chief justice of the Supreme Court, Mr. Salmon Portland Chase, informed President Andrew Johnson that if Davis were placed on trial for treason the United States would lose the case because nothing in the Constitution forbids secession. That is why no trial of Jefferson Davis was held, despite the fact that he wanted one.
So was secession treason? The answer is clearly No.
dude, you are so full of it
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 03:58PM
if you want to ignore the FACTS
Rule 3.3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Just cause they didnt go thru the motions (geez, maybe it had more to do with the fact they didnt want another Civil War over it) doesnt mean he didnt do the acts.
But per yr own words:
"many Confederate leaders swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when joining the United States Army. However, at that time people were citizens of individual states that were members of the United States, so that when a state seceded, the citizens of that state were no longer affiliated with the national government."
which means they were attacking the United States of America, the VERY SAME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEIR STATES DECLARED WAR ON. If their states agreed to the Constitution, then left it - that would be one thing - but THEY DECLARED WAR AND SET UP THEIR OWN NATION, CONSTITUTION, ARMY, etc. and THAT'S what makes them traitors
I mean, treason is one of the few laws mentions specifically in the Constitution - still unsure why those who'd pledge Allegiance to another country would try and hide behind the US Constitution, but whatevers - that's what makes it so awesome - it still will protect you LoLz
Rule 3.3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Just cause they didnt go thru the motions (geez, maybe it had more to do with the fact they didnt want another Civil War over it) doesnt mean he didnt do the acts.
But per yr own words:
"many Confederate leaders swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when joining the United States Army. However, at that time people were citizens of individual states that were members of the United States, so that when a state seceded, the citizens of that state were no longer affiliated with the national government."
which means they were attacking the United States of America, the VERY SAME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEIR STATES DECLARED WAR ON. If their states agreed to the Constitution, then left it - that would be one thing - but THEY DECLARED WAR AND SET UP THEIR OWN NATION, CONSTITUTION, ARMY, etc. and THAT'S what makes them traitors
I mean, treason is one of the few laws mentions specifically in the Constitution - still unsure why those who'd pledge Allegiance to another country would try and hide behind the US Constitution, but whatevers - that's what makes it so awesome - it still will protect you LoLz
Re: dude, you are so full of it
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 03:58PM
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
Re: dude, you are so full of it
Posted by:
GOOD GRIEF !
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:30PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as
> "...[a]...citizen's actions ,
SOVERIEGN STATES ARE NOT "[a] citizen"
> "to help a foreign government overthrow"
SOVERIEGN STATES ARE ALSO NOT A "FOREIGN GOVERNMENT"
> "make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
> In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt
> or conspire to overthrow the government,
WELL THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT,
THEY WERE DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.
> "even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour."
USING THIS DEFINITION TO BACK UP YOUR FRIVOLOUS CLAIM JUST REAFFIRMS MY ORIGINAL SUSPICIONS OF YOU BEING BORDERLINE RETARDED.
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> "Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as
> "...[a]...citizen's actions ,
SOVERIEGN STATES ARE NOT "[a] citizen"
> "to help a foreign government overthrow"
SOVERIEGN STATES ARE ALSO NOT A "FOREIGN GOVERNMENT"
> "make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
> In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt
> or conspire to overthrow the government,
WELL THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT,
THEY WERE DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.
> "even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour."
USING THIS DEFINITION TO BACK UP YOUR FRIVOLOUS CLAIM JUST REAFFIRMS MY ORIGINAL SUSPICIONS OF YOU BEING BORDERLINE RETARDED.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:34PM
"WELL THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT,
THEY WERE DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. "
treated fairly from what, dude?
how were they being treated unfairly?
they had the SAME Congressional representation
all the other states had
before they decided to become traitors
THEY WERE DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. "
treated fairly from what, dude?
how were they being treated unfairly?
they had the SAME Congressional representation
all the other states had
before they decided to become traitors
Re: dude, you are so full of it
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:44PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "which means they were attacking the United States of America,
> the VERY SAME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEIR STATES DECLARED WAR ON."
NO ASSWIPE, IT MEANS THEY WERE DEFENDING THEIR RIGHT TO NOT
BE GOVERNED BY A TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP.
> "If their states agreed to the Constitution, then left it
> - that would be one thing - but THEY DECLARED WAR
WAR HAD TO BE DECLARED BECAUSE THE NORTH WAS VIOLATING THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES.
> SET UP THEIR OWN NATION, CONSTITUTION, ARMY, etc.
THE ALTENATIVE WAS BEING GOVERNED BY A CORRUPT TOTALITARIAN STYLE GOV.
> "and THAT'S what makes them traitors"
WRONG AGAIN ASSWIPE, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SECCESSIONIST.
AND THAT IS WHY THE FOUNDING FATHERS INCLUDED THE RIGHT TO MILITIA TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT AND IT'S MILITARY IN CHECK IN THE EVENT OF CORRUPTION.
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> "which means they were attacking the United States of America,
> the VERY SAME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEIR STATES DECLARED WAR ON."
NO ASSWIPE, IT MEANS THEY WERE DEFENDING THEIR RIGHT TO NOT
BE GOVERNED BY A TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP.
> "If their states agreed to the Constitution, then left it
> - that would be one thing - but THEY DECLARED WAR
WAR HAD TO BE DECLARED BECAUSE THE NORTH WAS VIOLATING THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES.
> SET UP THEIR OWN NATION, CONSTITUTION, ARMY, etc.
THE ALTENATIVE WAS BEING GOVERNED BY A CORRUPT TOTALITARIAN STYLE GOV.
> "and THAT'S what makes them traitors"
WRONG AGAIN ASSWIPE, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SECCESSIONIST.
AND THAT IS WHY THE FOUNDING FATHERS INCLUDED THE RIGHT TO MILITIA TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT AND IT'S MILITARY IN CHECK IN THE EVENT OF CORRUPTION.
Re: dude, you are so full of it
Posted by:
GNARLY MAN
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:48PM
> "how were they being treated unfairly?"
BY NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT IS LEGAL IN THEIR STATE AND
BEING FORCED TO FORFEIT THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED, DUDE.
BY NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT IS LEGAL IN THEIR STATE AND
BEING FORCED TO FORFEIT THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED, DUDE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
JIMMY JAMES!
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:56PM
gordon, gordon, gordon....
on my last post, i dont think i could have made it any clearer...
only you could read my last post and distort what i said and come back with an invalid argument....
you clearly are the weakest link,
goodbye.
on my last post, i dont think i could have made it any clearer...
only you could read my last post and distort what i said and come back with an invalid argument....
you clearly are the weakest link,
goodbye.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:59PM
BY NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT IS LEGAL IN THEIR STATE AND
BEING FORCED TO FORFEIT THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED, DUDE.
and how and where was that happening from the Federal Govt before the Civil War?
cause in case you didnt notice, slavery was legal in the United States until AFTER the Civil War
@ dvlB nodroG (it's so awesome I've gotten you to make a name like that LoLz)
DECLARING WAR ON THE UNITED STATES, setting up their own Constitution, Army, etc, THAT'S what makes them traitors!
As stated over and over (something these hillbillies seem to like to ignore) the Southern states have EQUAL REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS, same as every other state
They just choose to abandon the United States cause things were going there way, kinda like a buncha spoiled-ass cry babys
It is HILARIOUS that the same ppl who are defending the Confederacy to me, are doing so by claiming ownershipe of the VERY SAME CONSTITUTION THEY BETRAYED!!!
BEING FORCED TO FORFEIT THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS FAIRLY PURCHASED, DUDE.
and how and where was that happening from the Federal Govt before the Civil War?
cause in case you didnt notice, slavery was legal in the United States until AFTER the Civil War
@ dvlB nodroG (it's so awesome I've gotten you to make a name like that LoLz)
DECLARING WAR ON THE UNITED STATES, setting up their own Constitution, Army, etc, THAT'S what makes them traitors!
As stated over and over (something these hillbillies seem to like to ignore) the Southern states have EQUAL REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS, same as every other state
They just choose to abandon the United States cause things were going there way, kinda like a buncha spoiled-ass cry babys
It is HILARIOUS that the same ppl who are defending the Confederacy to me, are doing so by claiming ownershipe of the VERY SAME CONSTITUTION THEY BETRAYED!!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 05:59PM
hmmmmm, what's ownershipe? LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 06:01PM
it's gonna be funny to see how many of them decide that the Confederacy is legitimate, simply because I misspelled "ownership" in a blog
ROFLMAO!!!
This has been FUN - will catch you later after traffic
ttfn
ROFLMAO!!!
This has been FUN - will catch you later after traffic
ttfn
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 22, 2011 06:19PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "and how and where was that happening from
> the Federal Govt before the Civil War?"
WELL, IF THE SOUTHERN STATES FELT THEY WERE BEING TREARED FAIRLY
BY A JUST GOV., THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROBLEMS RIGHT ?
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT IS "WHERE" IT WAS "HAPPENING FROM THE FEDERAL GOV."
WHAT A MORON YOU ARE.
------------------------------------------
> "and how and where was that happening from
> the Federal Govt before the Civil War?"
WELL, IF THE SOUTHERN STATES FELT THEY WERE BEING TREARED FAIRLY
BY A JUST GOV., THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROBLEMS RIGHT ?
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT IS "WHERE" IT WAS "HAPPENING FROM THE FEDERAL GOV."
WHAT A MORON YOU ARE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
jimmy james
()
Date: March 22, 2011 06:41PM
GORDON,
you know i hate you...and i believe your rebuttals are worthless and lacking intellect....more like random blabbing and using "Lolz" too much because you think you are really comical...(you are not, by the way)
BUT...you bring up a great question
Gordon BLVD says---
"""and how and where was that happening from the Federal Govt before the Civil War?
cause in case you didnt notice, slavery was legal in the United States until AFTER the Civil War """
let me explain (this also answers GORDON BLVD's idea that the south had equal representation in Congress..)
Correct, slavery was legal until after the civil war..in fact the civil war wasn't fought because Lincoln wanted to end slavery all together in the good ol USofA...he wanted to LIMIT slavery....When new territories became available in the West the South wanted to expand and use slavery in the newly acquired territories. But the North opposed this and wanted to stop the extension of slavery into new territories. The North wanted to limit the number of slave states in the Union. But many Southerners felt that a government dominated by free states could endanger existing slaveholdings(also here is where balance of power would be disrupted if all future states were non slave owning states, then the south would be at a disadvantage in govt). The South wanted to protect their states right... when lincoln was elected, the South felt that expansionism was being threatened, and because expansion was vital to the survival of slavery they also felt their way of life was being threatened. Because slavery was such an important part of Southern society, the South felt that they could not survive without it. Now they felt there was nothing more they could do. They were convinced that they should make a bid for independence by succeeding rather then face political encirclement!!!
well again, i did my best to explain this to you, ya knuckle head.
also i dont hate you...i just dont really like you...hate is such a strong word ya know LOlz.....im sure ur gonna come back at me saying somthing like"treason! spoiled ass cry baby confederate traitors!" but come on dude...i already explained to you that the CSA's secession from the union was clearly not treason...
THANKS,
JIMMY Mo'fuckim JAmes.
you know i hate you...and i believe your rebuttals are worthless and lacking intellect....more like random blabbing and using "Lolz" too much because you think you are really comical...(you are not, by the way)
BUT...you bring up a great question
Gordon BLVD says---
"""and how and where was that happening from the Federal Govt before the Civil War?
cause in case you didnt notice, slavery was legal in the United States until AFTER the Civil War """
let me explain (this also answers GORDON BLVD's idea that the south had equal representation in Congress..)
Correct, slavery was legal until after the civil war..in fact the civil war wasn't fought because Lincoln wanted to end slavery all together in the good ol USofA...he wanted to LIMIT slavery....When new territories became available in the West the South wanted to expand and use slavery in the newly acquired territories. But the North opposed this and wanted to stop the extension of slavery into new territories. The North wanted to limit the number of slave states in the Union. But many Southerners felt that a government dominated by free states could endanger existing slaveholdings(also here is where balance of power would be disrupted if all future states were non slave owning states, then the south would be at a disadvantage in govt). The South wanted to protect their states right... when lincoln was elected, the South felt that expansionism was being threatened, and because expansion was vital to the survival of slavery they also felt their way of life was being threatened. Because slavery was such an important part of Southern society, the South felt that they could not survive without it. Now they felt there was nothing more they could do. They were convinced that they should make a bid for independence by succeeding rather then face political encirclement!!!
well again, i did my best to explain this to you, ya knuckle head.
also i dont hate you...i just dont really like you...hate is such a strong word ya know LOlz.....im sure ur gonna come back at me saying somthing like"treason! spoiled ass cry baby confederate traitors!" but come on dude...i already explained to you that the CSA's secession from the union was clearly not treason...
THANKS,
JIMMY Mo'fuckim JAmes.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
JOHN5
()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:06PM
did someone really describe lincoln as a 19th century josef stalin? REALLY?!
i mean come on? are you kidding me?
i mean come on? are you kidding me?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
MLK Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:26PM
Where does the Constitution prohibit secession? There's certainly no express prohibition, and it's difficult to argue that a prohibition is implicit in the text.
The strongest argument for the latter was made by Lincoln in his inaugural address. http://lincoln.thefreelibrary.com/Abraham-Lincolns-First-Inaugural-Address
He argued that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation, which were explicitly perpetual ("the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual." AOC XIII); thus the Constitution too was perpetual.
The obvious counter to this, however, is that the elimination of the "perpetual" clause from the Constitution is clearly indicative of the framers' intention to obviate that provision.
In the same speech, Lincoln advances the further argument that even if the Constitution were a simple contract, it would require the agreement of all parties to rescind it, and therefore any ordinances of secession were "legally void".
But again, there is an obvious counter to this: in the case of a breach, a contract can be rescinded at will by the non-breaching party.
In August of 1856, BEFORE the Dred Scott decision, Lincoln had stated the following:
"Do you say that such restriction of slavery would be unconstitutional, and that some of the States would not submit to its enforcement?
I grant you that an unconstitutional act is not a law; but I do not ask and will not take your construction of the Constitution.
The Supreme Court of the United States is the tribunal to decide such a question, and we will submit to its decisions; and if you do also, there will be an end of the matter.
Will you? If not, who are the disunionists -- you or we?"
However, AFTER the Supreme Court rendered its decision, the northern states REFUSED to submit to it; northern legislatures passed laws that said no person in the state should be considered as property, and set free every slave who came into the state.
Therefore, by Lincoln's own word, the northern states - by refusing to submit to the decision of the Supreme Court - breached the Constitutional "contract," thus empowering the non-breaching southern states to rescind it.
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Go read the Texas v. White decision, I already told you that.
I doubt that you've read the opinion.
As Justice Grier's dissent rightly observes, the question of secession was decided in battle, long before it reached the Supreme Court. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZD.html
Further, Justice Chase's summary conclusion as to the indissolubility of the Union, as noted by leading Constitutional scholar David Currie, "hardly seems an adequate treatment of an issue on which reasonable people had differed to the point of civil war" (David P. Currie, The Constitution in the Supreme Court: The First Hundred Years, 1789-1888 (Univ. of Chicago Press, 1992), p. 312)
Specifically, Chase's brief argument rests primarily on the "perfect union" language of the Constitution, which arguments fails, as discussed above.
The strongest argument for the latter was made by Lincoln in his inaugural address. http://lincoln.thefreelibrary.com/Abraham-Lincolns-First-Inaugural-Address
He argued that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation, which were explicitly perpetual ("the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual." AOC XIII); thus the Constitution too was perpetual.
The obvious counter to this, however, is that the elimination of the "perpetual" clause from the Constitution is clearly indicative of the framers' intention to obviate that provision.
In the same speech, Lincoln advances the further argument that even if the Constitution were a simple contract, it would require the agreement of all parties to rescind it, and therefore any ordinances of secession were "legally void".
But again, there is an obvious counter to this: in the case of a breach, a contract can be rescinded at will by the non-breaching party.
In August of 1856, BEFORE the Dred Scott decision, Lincoln had stated the following:
"Do you say that such restriction of slavery would be unconstitutional, and that some of the States would not submit to its enforcement?
I grant you that an unconstitutional act is not a law; but I do not ask and will not take your construction of the Constitution.
The Supreme Court of the United States is the tribunal to decide such a question, and we will submit to its decisions; and if you do also, there will be an end of the matter.
Will you? If not, who are the disunionists -- you or we?"
However, AFTER the Supreme Court rendered its decision, the northern states REFUSED to submit to it; northern legislatures passed laws that said no person in the state should be considered as property, and set free every slave who came into the state.
Therefore, by Lincoln's own word, the northern states - by refusing to submit to the decision of the Supreme Court - breached the Constitutional "contract," thus empowering the non-breaching southern states to rescind it.
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Go read the Texas v. White decision, I already told you that.
I doubt that you've read the opinion.
As Justice Grier's dissent rightly observes, the question of secession was decided in battle, long before it reached the Supreme Court. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZD.html
Further, Justice Chase's summary conclusion as to the indissolubility of the Union, as noted by leading Constitutional scholar David Currie, "hardly seems an adequate treatment of an issue on which reasonable people had differed to the point of civil war" (David P. Currie, The Constitution in the Supreme Court: The First Hundred Years, 1789-1888 (Univ. of Chicago Press, 1992), p. 312)
Specifically, Chase's brief argument rests primarily on the "perfect union" language of the Constitution, which arguments fails, as discussed above.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Juneteenth
()
Date: March 22, 2011 08:33PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> it's gonna be funny to see how many of them decide
> that the Confederacy is legitimate, simply because
> I misspelled "ownership" in a blog
Not half as funny as when someone calls this site a "blog."
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> it's gonna be funny to see how many of them decide
> that the Confederacy is legitimate, simply because
> I misspelled "ownership" in a blog
Not half as funny as when someone calls this site a "blog."
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:00PM
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on cases in which a state is a party.
In accepting jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
In accepting jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:00PM
but that's only reality - nothing y'all are apparently capable of handling ROFLMAO
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:12PM
oh yes, Jimmy the CSA are as much traitors as Timothy McVeigh or ANYBODY born under the flag of the United States that attacks her
You can avoid the fact they attacked Fort Sumter the same was Major Hasan attacked Ft Hood.
Traitors all.................
funny how you like to forget that
You can avoid the fact they attacked Fort Sumter the same was Major Hasan attacked Ft Hood.
Traitors all.................
funny how you like to forget that
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
GOODBYE
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:14PM
YOU ARE, THE WEAKEST LINK.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
FACTbot
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:24PM
> "In deciding the merits of the bond issue."
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE CASE WAS MOTIVATED BY MONEY
AND THE SUPREME COURT MAY HAVE BEEN COMPELLED TO SAY THAT AS
TO AVOID SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL TURMOIL.
BECAUSE THE CONSTITUION DEFINITELY DOES *NOT* FORBID SUCCESSION.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE CASE WAS MOTIVATED BY MONEY
AND THE SUPREME COURT MAY HAVE BEEN COMPELLED TO SAY THAT AS
TO AVOID SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL TURMOIL.
BECAUSE THE CONSTITUION DEFINITELY DOES *NOT* FORBID SUCCESSION.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
MLK Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:28PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) etc.
You're able to copy and paste Wikipedia's summary of the holding, without citation.
Congratulations.
Now read the case itself, and defend Chase's bootless "more perfect union" argument which undergirds the holding.
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> Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) etc.
You're able to copy and paste Wikipedia's summary of the holding, without citation.
Congratulations.
Now read the case itself, and defend Chase's bootless "more perfect union" argument which undergirds the holding.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:34PM
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:00PM
but that's only reality - nothing y'all are apparently capable of handling ROFLMAO
Uhhhh?!!?!?!??!!?!? you really shouldn't stop taking your medicine, boy.
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:00PM
but that's only reality - nothing y'all are apparently capable of handling ROFLMAO
Uhhhh?!!?!?!??!!?!? you really shouldn't stop taking your medicine, boy.
It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:44PM
let's see: Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
The dude said the Union was perfect, made CLEARLY in the Constitution.
Seems my medicine if doing fine
I'm on a drug, and it's called REALITY
LoLz
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
The dude said the Union was perfect, made CLEARLY in the Constitution.
Seems my medicine if doing fine
I'm on a drug, and it's called REALITY
LoLz
Re: It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:45PM
Chase ruled that the state's relationship with White and Chiles "was therefore treasonable and void."[17] Consequently, he ordered that the current state of Texas still retained ownership of the bonds and were entitled to either the return of the bonds or the payment of a cash equivalent from those parties who had successfully redeemed the bonds.[18]
Re: It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:46PM
heck, and this is the stuff you told me to read o_0
Re: It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:47PM
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:50PM
Texas v White is an excellent pro-secessionist case. To wit:
1. The case was decided in 1869, nearly ten years after the various southern states had seceded. This means, of course, that at the time of secession, secession had not been considered by the courts and accordingly, it was, as of 1860 and 1861, perfectlly legal.
2. The decision actually endorses secession. In his decision, Chase acknowledges that the states seceded from the articles of confederation in order to establish the constitution. And this despite the fact that the articles of confederation, unlike the constitution, was explicitly declared to be a perpetual union.
3. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, in the entirety of the decision, did Chase use language from the constitution which prohibits secession. That, of course, is because there is nothing, and I do mean nothing, in the constitution which prohibits secession.
1. The case was decided in 1869, nearly ten years after the various southern states had seceded. This means, of course, that at the time of secession, secession had not been considered by the courts and accordingly, it was, as of 1860 and 1861, perfectlly legal.
2. The decision actually endorses secession. In his decision, Chase acknowledges that the states seceded from the articles of confederation in order to establish the constitution. And this despite the fact that the articles of confederation, unlike the constitution, was explicitly declared to be a perpetual union.
3. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, in the entirety of the decision, did Chase use language from the constitution which prohibits secession. That, of course, is because there is nothing, and I do mean nothing, in the constitution which prohibits secession.
Re: It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words.
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:51PM
meaning, succession is ILLEGAL, as written in the Constitution of the United States of America.
But again, even without that, TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST HER WHEN YOU WERE BORN UNDER HER FLAG IS TREASON ENOUGH!!
you can try and forget about that all you want, but that was kinda the ORIGINAL POINT OF THIS THREAD!
Today marks the 150th birthday of the original Stars & Bars.
Can't wait until September when Fairfax can celebrate the 150th of the battle flag. The marker at Main & Oak Streets, Farifax:
Inscription: During the First Battle of Manassas, amid the smoke of combat, troops found it difficult to distinguish between Union and Confederate flags. Generals P.G.T. Beauregard, Joseph E. Johnston and Quartermaster General William L. Cabell met near here in September 1861 and approved the first Confederate battle flag; a square red flag with blue diagonally crossed bars, and 12 stars. This pattern was adapted for use in other battle flags and was incorporated into the Confederate national flag in 1863. Beauregard's headquarters also hosted the 1 Oct. 1861 Fairfax Court House conference, during which Confederate President Davis and his generals plotted strategy.
And this is what makes America such a GREAT NATION! We allow these traitors to enjoy their Confederate flags, etc. We dont hang them like the dogs they are like they would in other countries! USA #1 :)
But again, even without that, TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST HER WHEN YOU WERE BORN UNDER HER FLAG IS TREASON ENOUGH!!
you can try and forget about that all you want, but that was kinda the ORIGINAL POINT OF THIS THREAD!
Today marks the 150th birthday of the original Stars & Bars.
Can't wait until September when Fairfax can celebrate the 150th of the battle flag. The marker at Main & Oak Streets, Farifax:
Inscription: During the First Battle of Manassas, amid the smoke of combat, troops found it difficult to distinguish between Union and Confederate flags. Generals P.G.T. Beauregard, Joseph E. Johnston and Quartermaster General William L. Cabell met near here in September 1861 and approved the first Confederate battle flag; a square red flag with blue diagonally crossed bars, and 12 stars. This pattern was adapted for use in other battle flags and was incorporated into the Confederate national flag in 1863. Beauregard's headquarters also hosted the 1 Oct. 1861 Fairfax Court House conference, during which Confederate President Davis and his generals plotted strategy.
And this is what makes America such a GREAT NATION! We allow these traitors to enjoy their Confederate flags, etc. We dont hang them like the dogs they are like they would in other countries! USA #1 :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:52PM
Tull, you need help - did you even read all that stuff above you?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:54PM
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by: Tully ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:50PM
Texas v White is an excellent pro-secessionist case. To wit:
1. The case was decided in 1869, nearly ten years after the various southern states had seceded. This means, of course, that at the time of secession, secession had not been considered by the courts and accordingly, it was, as of 1860 and 1861, perfectlly legal.
Chase ruled that the state's relationship with White and Chiles "was therefore treasonable and void."[17] Consequently, he ordered that the current state of Texas still retained ownership of the bonds and were entitled to either the return of the bonds or the payment of a cash equivalent from those parties who had successfully redeemed the bonds.[18]
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2. The decision actually endorses secession. In his decision, Chase acknowledges that the states seceded from the articles of confederation in order to establish the constitution. And this despite the fact that the articles of confederation, unlike the constitution, was explicitly declared to be a perpetual union.
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
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3. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, in the entirety of the decision, did Chase use language from the constitution which prohibits secession. That, of course, is because there is nothing, and I do mean nothing, in the constitution which prohibits secession.
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
kinda funny how that works out in REAL LIFE, eh?
you lose -3 internets
Posted by: Tully ()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:50PM
Texas v White is an excellent pro-secessionist case. To wit:
1. The case was decided in 1869, nearly ten years after the various southern states had seceded. This means, of course, that at the time of secession, secession had not been considered by the courts and accordingly, it was, as of 1860 and 1861, perfectlly legal.
Chase ruled that the state's relationship with White and Chiles "was therefore treasonable and void."[17] Consequently, he ordered that the current state of Texas still retained ownership of the bonds and were entitled to either the return of the bonds or the payment of a cash equivalent from those parties who had successfully redeemed the bonds.[18]
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2. The decision actually endorses secession. In his decision, Chase acknowledges that the states seceded from the articles of confederation in order to establish the constitution. And this despite the fact that the articles of confederation, unlike the constitution, was explicitly declared to be a perpetual union.
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
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3. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, in the entirety of the decision, did Chase use language from the constitution which prohibits secession. That, of course, is because there is nothing, and I do mean nothing, in the constitution which prohibits secession.
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
kinda funny how that works out in REAL LIFE, eh?
you lose -3 internets
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:55PM
Gordon, you witless ignorant dipshit, would you like me to personally tutor you on constitutional law?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Bill N
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:56PM
This thread clearly shows what is wrong with learning U.S. history from historical determinism textbooks. OTOH at least most of the posters here do know that there was a civil war.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 09:58PM
Lol@Gordon. Hey moron, the states SECEDED from the articles of confederation to establish the constitution. And both Virginia and North Carolina explicitly reserved the tight to secede when they ratified. You fithy ignorant beast.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:10PM
very good, Tully, now do you think you can read the legality of that?
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:13PM
and we are talking about the succession from the United States Constitution, NOT the Articles of Confederation.
Again, this argument is a pretty stupid red herring, cause fact of the matter is YOU FOUGHT A WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES
that's WAAAAAYYYYY more treason than just claiming succession
which is, of course, why you are trying to play that part of it off like it was nothing
Again, this argument is a pretty stupid red herring, cause fact of the matter is YOU FOUGHT A WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES
that's WAAAAAYYYYY more treason than just claiming succession
which is, of course, why you are trying to play that part of it off like it was nothing
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:17PM
what really is interesting is how ashamed these guys are to owe up to what the Confederacy did - I seriously thought I'd be running into ppl more proud of the Stars and Bars on this thread. I mean, the whole thing started as a "I wanna see the birthday of the Confederate Battle Flag" talk and now they are acting all butthurt over the fact they had a war with the US
I mean, it wasnt like it was just a road trip to Daytona without yr parents permission - it was a FUCKING WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES! You'd think they'd know that by now. I mean, I'm not making that up, am I? Antietam and Fort Donelson really did happen, y'know? Why not just admit it?
I mean, it wasnt like it was just a road trip to Daytona without yr parents permission - it was a FUCKING WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES! You'd think they'd know that by now. I mean, I'm not making that up, am I? Antietam and Fort Donelson really did happen, y'know? Why not just admit it?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:17PM
Gordon, you do amuse me, truly. Now then, do be good enough to show me two things please:
1. The language from the constitution which declares secession to be unlawful and prohibits or forbids it.
2. Chase's use of that language in his decision on Texas v White.
It should be very very easy to find it. Oh no wait, it will impossible, and I do mean impossible, to find it. But do go-ahead and try. Moron.
1. The language from the constitution which declares secession to be unlawful and prohibits or forbids it.
2. Chase's use of that language in his decision on Texas v White.
It should be very very easy to find it. Oh no wait, it will impossible, and I do mean impossible, to find it. But do go-ahead and try. Moron.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:19PM
it's really no big deal - nobody's gonna come to yr house and hurt you just cause yr loyal to the Confederacy - I seriously dont know what the big deal is - but it's giving me (and a LOT of my co-workers today) many LoLz to see y'all try and act like attacking the US isnt an act of treason - but whatevers.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:22PM
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag new
Posted by: Tully ()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:17PM
Gordon, you do amuse me, truly. Now then, do be good enough to show me two things please:
1. The language from the constitution which declares secession to be unlawful and prohibits or forbids it.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”
—United States Constitution, Preamble
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2. Chase's use of that language in his decision on Texas v White.
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
actually, it was pretty easy. Less than 2-3 minutes :)
Posted by: Tully ()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:17PM
Gordon, you do amuse me, truly. Now then, do be good enough to show me two things please:
1. The language from the constitution which declares secession to be unlawful and prohibits or forbids it.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”
—United States Constitution, Preamble
--------------------------------------------
2. Chase's use of that language in his decision on Texas v White.
Chase wrote: The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
actually, it was pretty easy. Less than 2-3 minutes :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:22PM
ok, so 5 to post it LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:23PM
un·ion (ynyn)
n.
1.
a. The act of uniting or the state of being united.
b. A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit.
n.
1.
a. The act of uniting or the state of being united.
b. A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:24PM
Gordon, my colleagues and I are having hysterical laughing fits at your foolish stupidity, clownish ignorance, and oafish ranting. Now then, how ya doing on finding that constitutional prohibition on secession. Any progress?? Rofl.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:24PM
and since I seem to have to hold yr G-damn hand thru everything:
per·fect (pûrfkt)
adj.
1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
per·fect (pûrfkt)
adj.
1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:26PM
Lol!! still can't find the words from the constitution which forbids secession huh? Gordon, please, we are howling with laughter. Anyway, I am still waiting, you witless, vulgar, unlettered boob.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:28PM
so legally, they agreed that this "union" was "perfect" - and since the Feds at the time of the Civil War had NOT TAKEN ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE SOUTHERN STATES, then this whole argument about lawful succession is complete bullshit.
If slavery had been outlawed against their rights, maybe you'd have and argument - but that's not the case.
The Supreme Court decided that succession is illegal in Texas vs. White - so the matter is legally closed
The Southern states had legal recourse to address their greivences against the Feds - and CHOOSE instead to attack with force against the United States in an act of treason, plain and simple.
You can stick yr hand in yr ears and go "nyah nyah nyah, I cant hear you" now
LoLz
If slavery had been outlawed against their rights, maybe you'd have and argument - but that's not the case.
The Supreme Court decided that succession is illegal in Texas vs. White - so the matter is legally closed
The Southern states had legal recourse to address their greivences against the Feds - and CHOOSE instead to attack with force against the United States in an act of treason, plain and simple.
You can stick yr hand in yr ears and go "nyah nyah nyah, I cant hear you" now
LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:29PM
its a funny thing
GORDON
like 3 times today...ive broke down the rights and reasons for the CSA to secede...ive made it VERY CLEAR....backed up with true historical facts...everything you throw out there...i tell you where your wrong and show you why....NO MATTER WHAT I DO...you come back with 3-4 posts in a row...rambling and ranting about some other bizzarreeeeeeeee shit....sometimes i really dont know what you are trying to say, its like your talking to some imaginary poster the way you ramble on about things never mentioned...
your friend,
Jimmy James
GORDON
like 3 times today...ive broke down the rights and reasons for the CSA to secede...ive made it VERY CLEAR....backed up with true historical facts...everything you throw out there...i tell you where your wrong and show you why....NO MATTER WHAT I DO...you come back with 3-4 posts in a row...rambling and ranting about some other bizzarreeeeeeeee shit....sometimes i really dont know what you are trying to say, its like your talking to some imaginary poster the way you ramble on about things never mentioned...
your friend,
Jimmy James
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union.............
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:30PM
looks like he beat me to it, folks :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tulle
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:30PM
Gordon, you rascal, you are killing us! Now, please show me where the constitution forbids or prohibits secession.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
ALLOW ME TO ASSIST ALSO
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:30PM
GOR•DON [Goredone]
1. PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A TEXTBOOK RETARD.
2. ONE LACKING COMPLETE MENTAL COMPETANCY.
1. PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A TEXTBOOK RETARD.
2. ONE LACKING COMPLETE MENTAL COMPETANCY.
Re: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union.............
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:31PM
@Jimmy James
if the Constitution of the United States and Supreme Court decisions are "bizzarreeeeeeeee shit" to you, dude - then you are the one with the probs, not me o_0
if the Constitution of the United States and Supreme Court decisions are "bizzarreeeeeeeee shit" to you, dude - then you are the one with the probs, not me o_0
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:35PM
Gordon, I am starting to feel sorry for you so I will help you out. Article 1, section 10, of the US Constitution enumerates specific acts and things that a state may not do. Look there, maybe secession is prohibited there. Oh no wait while the enumeration is detailed and lengthy, secession is not prohibited to the states. Sorry Gordon, I tried to help you.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:48PM
whatever you say, Tully, whatever you say
in reality:
Section Ten sets LIMITS on states, reserving certain powers exclusively to the Congress. States are prohibited from coining money or making anything other than gold or silver coin legal tender for payment of debts and are prohibited from entering into treaties or alliances, although compacts with other states are allowed with the permission of Congress. States are also not permitted to lay duties, keep troops or warships in peacetime with Congressional approval, or engage in war unless actually invaded or in imminent danger. States also are barred from laying imposts or duties on imports or exports except for the fulfillment of state inspection laws, which may be revised by Congress, and any net revenue of such duties is remitted to the federal treasury. Finally, states, like congress, may not pass bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, nor grant any title of nobility.
but in his head:
Attachments:
in reality:
Section Ten sets LIMITS on states, reserving certain powers exclusively to the Congress. States are prohibited from coining money or making anything other than gold or silver coin legal tender for payment of debts and are prohibited from entering into treaties or alliances, although compacts with other states are allowed with the permission of Congress. States are also not permitted to lay duties, keep troops or warships in peacetime with Congressional approval, or engage in war unless actually invaded or in imminent danger. States also are barred from laying imposts or duties on imports or exports except for the fulfillment of state inspection laws, which may be revised by Congress, and any net revenue of such duties is remitted to the federal treasury. Finally, states, like congress, may not pass bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, nor grant any title of nobility.
but in his head:
Attachments:
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:50PM
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or ENGAGE IN WAR, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
looks like South Carolina forgot that part of it LoLz
but whatvers, I gotta go shower
I've gotten dirty with all this pig-rasslin'
catch y'all tomorrow
go ahead and stick yr fingers in yr ears again, now :)
looks like South Carolina forgot that part of it LoLz
but whatvers, I gotta go shower
I've gotten dirty with all this pig-rasslin'
catch y'all tomorrow
go ahead and stick yr fingers in yr ears again, now :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
bengladesh
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:52PM
it's called treason.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:56PM
Gordon, you are slower than many of my students, and far more vulgar, but at least you did attempt to follow as I directed you. But you couldn't find the prohibition against secession. Could you? Now get lost, you grotesque ignorant reprobate.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Pakistan
()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:58PM
Treason!? Oh dear me. You mean like the sorta treason George Washington committed?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
'Gordon Blvd' - A Fool's Fool
()
Date: March 22, 2011 11:09PM
A RESPECTABLE MAN WOULD STFU WHEN AFTER NOT BEING ABLE TO SHOW WHERE THE CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS SUCESSION.
IT DOESN'T TAKE A JEANYISS TO FIGURE OUT THAT SUCESSION IS A NECESSARY
THING FOR A STATE TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM A CORRUPT AND UNJUST GOVERNMENT.
SO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT SHOWER GORDO, I'M SURE YOU REALLY STINK !
IT DOESN'T TAKE A JEANYISS TO FIGURE OUT THAT SUCESSION IS A NECESSARY
THING FOR A STATE TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM A CORRUPT AND UNJUST GOVERNMENT.
SO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT SHOWER GORDO, I'M SURE YOU REALLY STINK !
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dumbhillbillys
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:24AM
Section 10: Limits on the States
Clause 1: Contracts Clause
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: Export Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: Compact Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Seems like the Southern states violated several of these aspects of the Constitution.
Also Note: The South illegally attract the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. The South was not invaded nor in imminent danger.
Clause 1: Contracts Clause
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: Export Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: Compact Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Seems like the Southern states violated several of these aspects of the Constitution.
Also Note: The South illegally attract the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. The South was not invaded nor in imminent danger.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dumbhillbilly
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:25AM
attacked**
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
PACK YOUR BAGS GIRLS
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:37AM
> "Also Note: The South illegally attract [I ASSUME YOU MEANT "ATTACKED"]
> the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter.
> The South was not invaded nor in imminent danger.
THAT FORT WAS ON CONFEDERATE TERRITORY, DUMBHILLBILLY.
THE NORTH ASKED FOR A FIGHT AND GOT ONE.
NOT TO MENTION, THE UNION WAS TRYING TO CONTROL COMMERCE
THROUGH CHARLESTON HARBOR WITH THAT FORT.
> the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter.
> The South was not invaded nor in imminent danger.
THAT FORT WAS ON CONFEDERATE TERRITORY, DUMBHILLBILLY.
THE NORTH ASKED FOR A FIGHT AND GOT ONE.
NOT TO MENTION, THE UNION WAS TRYING TO CONTROL COMMERCE
THROUGH CHARLESTON HARBOR WITH THAT FORT.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dumbhillbillys
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:38AM
Not to mention South Carolina firing on Fort Sumter is an act of insurrection. And how do you handle insurrections?
You put them down by force if necessary!
Also, non of the southern leaders were prosecuted after the war for treason was because the nation had to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction.
You put them down by force if necessary!
Also, non of the southern leaders were prosecuted after the war for treason was because the nation had to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dumbhillbillys
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:42AM
PACK YOUR BAGS GIRLS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
.
> NOT TO MENTION, THE UNION WAS TRYING TO CONTROL
> COMMERCE
> THROUGH CHARLESTON HARBOR WITH THAT FORT.
That IS one of the powers granted to the Federal Government in the US Constitution?
For claiming to love and support the Constitution so much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it. lol
-------------------------------------------------------
.
> NOT TO MENTION, THE UNION WAS TRYING TO CONTROL
> COMMERCE
> THROUGH CHARLESTON HARBOR WITH THAT FORT.
That IS one of the powers granted to the Federal Government in the US Constitution?
For claiming to love and support the Constitution so much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it. lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
BFDbot
()
Date: March 23, 2011 01:43AM
> "Seems like the Southern states violated several of these
> aspects of the Constitution."
SO ?
THE NORTH VOIDED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL AGREEMENT,
THAT'S WHY THE SOUTH STRUCK UP THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION.
> aspects of the Constitution."
SO ?
THE NORTH VOIDED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL AGREEMENT,
THAT'S WHY THE SOUTH STRUCK UP THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
CONSTITUTIONAL CONTRACTS 101
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Date: March 23, 2011 01:53AM
> "That IS one of the powers granted to the Federal Government
> in the US Constitution?"
ONCE THAT GOVERNMENT BREAKS IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT, NO IT IS NOT.
> "For claiming to love and support the Constitution so
> much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it.
> lol"
SORRY I AM NOT A "TEA BAGGER" LIKE YOUR MOTHER.
AND YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POINTING FINGERS CLAIMING
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN ILL-UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU
YOURSELF [you know, earlier, when you were posting as 'Gordon Blvd']
OBVIOUSLY WERE TOO DUMB TO POINT OUT WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION
THAT STATES SUCESSION WAS ILLEGAL LIKE YOUR BRAINDEAD ASS CLAIMED.
> in the US Constitution?"
ONCE THAT GOVERNMENT BREAKS IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT, NO IT IS NOT.
> "For claiming to love and support the Constitution so
> much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it.
> lol"
SORRY I AM NOT A "TEA BAGGER" LIKE YOUR MOTHER.
AND YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POINTING FINGERS CLAIMING
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN ILL-UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU
YOURSELF [you know, earlier, when you were posting as 'Gordon Blvd']
OBVIOUSLY WERE TOO DUMB TO POINT OUT WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION
THAT STATES SUCESSION WAS ILLEGAL LIKE YOUR BRAINDEAD ASS CLAIMED.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
U = POOP4BRAINS
()
Date: March 23, 2011 02:03AM
> "Also, non of the southern leaders were prosecuted
> after the war for treason was because the nation had
> to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."
SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE DEAD, AND THE
STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE THE NEEDED
HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR HVAC ?
> after the war for treason was because the nation had
> to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."
SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE DEAD, AND THE
STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE THE NEEDED
HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR HVAC ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
youdumbhillbilly
()
Date: March 23, 2011 02:31AM
U = POOP4BRAINS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > "Also, non of the southern leaders were
> prosecuted
> > after the war for treason was because the nation
> had
> > to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."
>
> SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
> SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE
> DEAD, AND THE
> STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE
> THE NEEDED
> HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
> WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR
> HVAC ?
Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after the war would've helped
no one. 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA! A crippled and crumbling south
leaching off the north is no good for both. Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern
leaders take oath of allegiance and admit they were wrong in exchange for special
presidential pardons. Reconstruction Begins! First step in healing process.
Clear for you now?
-------------------------------------------------------
> > "Also, non of the southern leaders were
> prosecuted
> > after the war for treason was because the nation
> had
> > to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."
>
> SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
> SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE
> DEAD, AND THE
> STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE
> THE NEEDED
> HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
> WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR
> HVAC ?
Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after the war would've helped
no one. 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA! A crippled and crumbling south
leaching off the north is no good for both. Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern
leaders take oath of allegiance and admit they were wrong in exchange for special
presidential pardons. Reconstruction Begins! First step in healing process.
Clear for you now?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
youdumbhillbilly
()
Date: March 23, 2011 02:38AM
Oops. me ment 1865.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
youdumbhillbilly
()
Date: March 23, 2011 02:46AM
same reason Japan get to keep Emperor after WWII. Make nice and happy for long time!
Unnecessary crushing your enemy and it's beloved leaders after war only makes them hate you even more. Look wat happened to Deutschland afterr WW1
Unnecessary crushing your enemy and it's beloved leaders after war only makes them hate you even more. Look wat happened to Deutschland afterr WW1
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dumbghettodweller
()
Date: March 23, 2011 03:05AM
Section 10: Limits on the States
Clause 1: Contracts Clause
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: Export Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: Compact Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Seems like the Southern states violated absolutely none of these aspects of the Constitution.
Also Note: The South legally attract the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. The North refused to leave to soil of South Carolina, which was, at that time, a completely independent country.
And oh, by the way, where is the prohibition on secession. You haven't showed it to me yet.
Clause 1: Contracts Clause
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: Export Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: Compact Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Seems like the Southern states violated absolutely none of these aspects of the Constitution.
Also Note: The South legally attract the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. The North refused to leave to soil of South Carolina, which was, at that time, a completely independent country.
And oh, by the way, where is the prohibition on secession. You haven't showed it to me yet.
for the stupid hillbilies who have dont know the Constitution
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 07:41AM
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
but dont worry, the South shall rise again :)
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Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
but dont worry, the South shall rise again :)
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Re: for the stupid hillbilies who have dont know the Constitution
Posted by:
STRONG ASS YO
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:54AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
-----------------------------------------
> "Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after
> the war would've helped no one.
> 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA!
YOU SOUND LIKE A STRONG FAGGOT.
GOT ANY LINKS SUPPORTING YOUR DUMBASS OPINION ?
> "A crippled and crumbling south leaching off the north
> is no good for both.
SORRY, BUT THROWING A COUPLE OF SUPPOSEDLY "treasonous"
[in your moronic opinion] GENERALS IN THE SLAMMER WOULD
NOT HAVE AFFECTED THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO "Rebuild".
THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND THEY
WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY BEEN REPLACED.
> Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern leaders take oath of allegiance
> and admit they were wrong in exchange for special presidential pardons.
YOU MEAN PREZ. ANDREW JACKSON WAS SMARTER THAN YOU AND REALISED
THAT SUCESSION WAS LEGAL AND THAT THE DA WOULD HAVE NO CASE AND LOSE.
> "Reconstruction Begins!
AND THE HOMOSEXUALITY NEVER ENDS !
> "First step in healing process."
THIS IS JUST YOUR OBVIOUSLY UNFOUNDED FRUITCAKE BRAINED OPINION.
> "Clear for you now ?"
CLEAR AS YOUR BOYFRIEND LEAVES YOUR COLON EVERY NIGHT.
-----------------------------------------
> "Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after
> the war would've helped no one.
> 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA!
YOU SOUND LIKE A STRONG FAGGOT.
GOT ANY LINKS SUPPORTING YOUR DUMBASS OPINION ?
> "A crippled and crumbling south leaching off the north
> is no good for both.
SORRY, BUT THROWING A COUPLE OF SUPPOSEDLY "treasonous"
[in your moronic opinion] GENERALS IN THE SLAMMER WOULD
NOT HAVE AFFECTED THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO "Rebuild".
THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND THEY
WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY BEEN REPLACED.
> Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern leaders take oath of allegiance
> and admit they were wrong in exchange for special presidential pardons.
YOU MEAN PREZ. ANDREW JACKSON WAS SMARTER THAN YOU AND REALISED
THAT SUCESSION WAS LEGAL AND THAT THE DA WOULD HAVE NO CASE AND LOSE.
> "Reconstruction Begins!
AND THE HOMOSEXUALITY NEVER ENDS !
> "First step in healing process."
THIS IS JUST YOUR OBVIOUSLY UNFOUNDED FRUITCAKE BRAINED OPINION.
> "Clear for you now ?"
CLEAR AS YOUR BOYFRIEND LEAVES YOUR COLON EVERY NIGHT.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:01AM
Still waiting for two things:
1. The prohibition against secession in the constitution
2. The language from Texas v White where Cahse applies that language in his decision.
Be waiting...lolz
1. The prohibition against secession in the constitution
2. The language from Texas v White where Cahse applies that language in his decision.
Be waiting...lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
youdumbghettodweller
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:09AM
"...And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained..."
This is exactly where Chase acknowledges the right of secession. In order to adopt the US Constitution, the states had to secede from the articles of confederation. And so they seceded, thereby setting a legal precedent in favor of secession. It is also why the constitution was not declared to be perpetual. More specifically, it was a huge embarassment to secede from the articles of confederation only seven years after they were "solemnly declared to be pepetual".
lolz
This is exactly where Chase acknowledges the right of secession. In order to adopt the US Constitution, the states had to secede from the articles of confederation. And so they seceded, thereby setting a legal precedent in favor of secession. It is also why the constitution was not declared to be perpetual. More specifically, it was a huge embarassment to secede from the articles of confederation only seven years after they were "solemnly declared to be pepetual".
lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:13AM
ahh, the cycle continues...round and round...
Hey Gordon BLVD...its a new day man...good morning...just wanted to remind you to take your medicine...we dont want you to have another babbling outburst like ya did yesterday...embarrassing man : /
GET EM TULLY!
Lolz!
Hey Gordon BLVD...its a new day man...good morning...just wanted to remind you to take your medicine...we dont want you to have another babbling outburst like ya did yesterday...embarrassing man : /
GET EM TULLY!
Lolz!
I'm on a drug, and it's called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 07:23PM
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
apparently this is beyond yr grasp of understanding, but that's ok, Tulls and JJ
I can understand why you'd call this babbling - apparently, you are uncapable of understanding English
LoLz
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
apparently this is beyond yr grasp of understanding, but that's ok, Tulls and JJ
I can understand why you'd call this babbling - apparently, you are uncapable of understanding English
LoLz
Re: I'm on a drug, and it's called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 07:24PM
@ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
LoLz
LoLz
Re: I'm on a drug, and it's called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Posted by:
STRONG ASS S.O.B.
()
Date: March 23, 2011 07:48PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
--------------------------------
> @ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will
> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz
I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
--------------------------------
> @ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will
> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz
I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:07PM
> @ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will
> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz
I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself
oh Lordy - no wonder they lost
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> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz
I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself
oh Lordy - no wonder they lost
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:10PM
but here, I'll throw the traitorous dog a bone...............
In the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]
Was the Confederacy successful?
if so, go ahead and use their money, dumbass
LoLz
In the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]
Was the Confederacy successful?
if so, go ahead and use their money, dumbass
LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:43PM
ANOTHER DECISION WHERE THE SUBJECT MATTER INVOLVED MONEY,
WHAT A COINCIDENCE !
NOW MAYBE YOUR INBRED ASS CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT DECISION HAS
TO DO WITH THE DECISION TO NOT PROSECUTE THE SUPPOSED WAR
CRIMINALS WHO YOU CALL "TREASONOUS TRAITORS", THAT WERE
RESPONSIBLE FOR 600,000+ AMERICANS BEING KILLED EVEN THOUGH
SUCCESSION WAS *NOT* ILLEGAL.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE !
NOW MAYBE YOUR INBRED ASS CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT DECISION HAS
TO DO WITH THE DECISION TO NOT PROSECUTE THE SUPPOSED WAR
CRIMINALS WHO YOU CALL "TREASONOUS TRAITORS", THAT WERE
RESPONSIBLE FOR 600,000+ AMERICANS BEING KILLED EVEN THOUGH
SUCCESSION WAS *NOT* ILLEGAL.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:44PM
K, here we go again. I need two things:
1. The provision in the institution whic prohibits secession
2. The language from Texas v White where Chase uses that provision in his decision.
Now Girdon, moron, until you satisfy this demand, just shut the fuck up, you hopelessly ignorant bastard.
Lolz
1. The provision in the institution whic prohibits secession
2. The language from Texas v White where Chase uses that provision in his decision.
Now Girdon, moron, until you satisfy this demand, just shut the fuck up, you hopelessly ignorant bastard.
Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 08:53PM
To form the United States, the following secessions took place:
1. In 1776 the colonies seceded from the British Empire
2. In 1821 Mexico seceded from Spain
3. In 1836 Texas seceded from Mexico
And yet in 1861 secession is suddenly treason. What rot.
Lolz
1. In 1776 the colonies seceded from the British Empire
2. In 1821 Mexico seceded from Spain
3. In 1836 Texas seceded from Mexico
And yet in 1861 secession is suddenly treason. What rot.
Lolz
Re: for the stupid hillbilies who have dont know the Constitution
Posted by:
youdubmhillbillys
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:18PM
Well this is goin no where fast... I guess you cant spell out in plain English
anything to some dumb southern inbred fucks.
The matter was settled 146 years ago - The south tried to leave, Lincoln said NO,
North burned the south and now y'all are unfortunately still part of the United
States.
The south has a long proud legacy of being the brunt of many jokes; embarrassing
the rest of the united states on the international stage (I.E. I dont see anyone
else mocking the good people of New York City); poverty... and well the list goes
on.
As I said a long time ago in this thread, y'all southerners should be thanking
Lincoln, cuz you'd be a third world shit hole by now if you had your own country.
anything to some dumb southern inbred fucks.
The matter was settled 146 years ago - The south tried to leave, Lincoln said NO,
North burned the south and now y'all are unfortunately still part of the United
States.
The south has a long proud legacy of being the brunt of many jokes; embarrassing
the rest of the united states on the international stage (I.E. I dont see anyone
else mocking the good people of New York City); poverty... and well the list goes
on.
As I said a long time ago in this thread, y'all southerners should be thanking
Lincoln, cuz you'd be a third world shit hole by now if you had your own country.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Youdumbghettodwellers
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:23PM
These stupid filthy inbred northern dirtbag scumbags are too phukking ignorant for words. The Southerners killed 350,000 of their worthless Nazi douchbags, and then for fun, executed that vulgar backwards rail splitting illiterate hit supremacist otherwise known as Lincoln. Can't teach those blue bellies a goddamn thing.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:24PM
@ Tully - THOSE succesions succeded
yours did not
pay attention this time, hillbilly
n the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]
Maybe you need and ESL class?
LoLz
@youdubmhillbillys - reasoning, logic, and reality dont seem to work with them, but nice try :)
yours did not
pay attention this time, hillbilly
n the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]
Maybe you need and ESL class?
LoLz
@youdubmhillbillys - reasoning, logic, and reality dont seem to work with them, but nice try :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
PUH•THE•TIC
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:26PM
SAVE IT GORDO, THE SOCK PUPPETS FOOL NOBODY.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
youdubmhillbillys
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Date: March 23, 2011 09:29PM
If I was Gordon why wouldent I just post under his/her "Gordon Boulevard" name?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
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Date: March 23, 2011 09:30PM
Gordon, moron, those secessions, unlike the secession of 1861, were lawless treasonous rebellions. Try to pay attention, you ignorant vulgar dirtbag reprobate. ANow try to pay attention little fella, cause what I need us :
1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.
2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.
Maybe you need an ESL class? Lola
Ghettodwellers-you cant reason with these ignorant furthers, but nice try :)
1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.
2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.
Maybe you need an ESL class? Lola
Ghettodwellers-you cant reason with these ignorant furthers, but nice try :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:40PM
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame old sooooooooooooooooooooong
Just a drop of water in an endless sea.......................
All "they" do
Crumbles to the ground though "they" REFUSE to see................\
1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
but I realize now you arent capable of understanding that which we NORMAL folk call law (or common sense)
Damn, I'm so glad I stumbled on this site - y'all have taught me alot about why hillbillies are so ignorant
y'all are worse than rednecks - at LEAST rednecks will owe up to their actions - you guys are even too coward to do that LoLz
Just a drop of water in an endless sea.......................
All "they" do
Crumbles to the ground though "they" REFUSE to see................\
1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
but I realize now you arent capable of understanding that which we NORMAL folk call law (or common sense)
Damn, I'm so glad I stumbled on this site - y'all have taught me alot about why hillbillies are so ignorant
y'all are worse than rednecks - at LEAST rednecks will owe up to their actions - you guys are even too coward to do that LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:48PM
Goog grief, a common northern ghetto dwelling street hustling crack dealing niggger has a greater capacity for learning than the gutless cowardly asswipe unionists on this forum. So here is what we need:
1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession
2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.
But dear Lord, shitting on these grotesque and stupid scalawags is fun!!
1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession
2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.
But dear Lord, shitting on these grotesque and stupid scalawags is fun!!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:54PM
Goog grief, a common northern ghetto dwelling street hustling crack dealing niggger has a greater capacity for learning than the gutless cowardly asswipe unionists on this forum. So here is what we need:
1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
at least you learned to spell "Chase" this time
hopefully, your ESL teacher will teach you to learn English this time LoLz
then again, you are so inbred, maybe "learning" is something that will forever escape you LoLz
meet Ms Tully
oh, who am I kidding - there's nobody dumb enough to be a Ms Tully other than his right hand LoLz
Attachments:
1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
at least you learned to spell "Chase" this time
hopefully, your ESL teacher will teach you to learn English this time LoLz
then again, you are so inbred, maybe "learning" is something that will forever escape you LoLz
meet Ms Tully
oh, who am I kidding - there's nobody dumb enough to be a Ms Tully other than his right hand LoLz
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
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Date: March 23, 2011 09:56PM
what's really sad is that like 80-90 % of the Confederate supporters of this thread are right now wacking off to that pic :(
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2011 09:56PM by Gordon Blvd.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2011 09:56PM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 09:58PM
Here is what we need:
1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.
God almighty, these inbred northerner scumbags are as slow as molasses in January and as vulgar and ugly as Abraham Lincoln.
1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.
God almighty, these inbred northerner scumbags are as slow as molasses in January and as vulgar and ugly as Abraham Lincoln.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:00PM
What really grotesque, is that 100% of union supporters are having off to that picture :(
Re: I'm on a drug, and it's called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Posted by:
MLK Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:04PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ...And when these Articles were found to
> be inadequate to the exigencies of the country,
> the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE
> PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA
> OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE
> WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
>
> apparently this is beyond yr grasp of
> understanding
Apparently it's beyond your grasp that it is not at all difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by the words "to form a more perfect union."
To wit: "to form an indissoluble union" or "to form a perpetual union."
However, the framers of the Constitution dropped the despotic "perpetual" language of the Articles of Confederation -- thus, indeed, forming a more perfect, non-perpetual union.
In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government.
Second, the union established by the Articles of Confederation, in spite of its exhortation of perpetuity, was terminated by secession.
The proposed Constitution provided that it would take effect upon ratification by nine states. On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify.
On that date, a new union was formed that seceded from the union formed by the Articles of Confederation -- this secession, however, was in express violation of Article XIII, which barred any alteration in the Articles save by *unanimous* consent.
Third, and most significantly, the exhortation of perpetuity found in the Articles was stricken from the text of the new Constitution.
Nor does the word “secession,” "secede," or any such word appear in the Constitution.
Thus the Constitution in no wise prohibits a state from leaving the union.
Nor does it authorize the federal government to forcibly retain a state that has seceded.
Fourth, when they originally ratified the U.S. Constitution, at least three states – New York, Virginia, and Rhode Island - included clauses asserting the right to secede from the Union at a future time.
Fifth, Federalist #45 states: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” This principle was in turn enshrined in the 10th Amendment.
Thus Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it."
Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists threatened to secede, Jefferson said, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'"
Consequently, the Constitution's silence can in no way be understood as an implied abrogation or nullification of the right of secession, which was firmly established in 1776 (in our secession from Britain, and the grounds articulated in the Declaration of Independence) and 1787 (in the secession from the Articles of Confederation), in the ratifying conventions of at least three states party to the Constitution, and in Jefferson's remarks.
Lincoln's argument to the contrary, discussed in detail in my first post, fails. Chase's argument in Texas v. White - which you repeat no less than five times - merely regurgitates the "more perfect union" portion of Lincoln's argument, and thus similarly fails.
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
> The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself
> oh Lordy - no wonder they lost
You are obviously a babbler - aka fool, nincompoop, imbecile, chowderhead, ignoramus and/or brain-dead - who is incapable of framing a clear rebuttal or counter-argument, and so resorts to lame jokes with multiple exclamation points.
If an intelligent interlocutor is willing to step in and pick up the flag,* as it were, I would be willing to continue this colloquy, but your craptastic cap-locked comments are unworthy of further response.
*size>
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> ...And when these Articles were found to
> be inadequate to the exigencies of the country,
> the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE
> PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA
> OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE
> WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
>
> apparently this is beyond yr grasp of
> understanding
Apparently it's beyond your grasp that it is not at all difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by the words "to form a more perfect union."
To wit: "to form an indissoluble union" or "to form a perpetual union."
However, the framers of the Constitution dropped the despotic "perpetual" language of the Articles of Confederation -- thus, indeed, forming a more perfect, non-perpetual union.
In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government.
Second, the union established by the Articles of Confederation, in spite of its exhortation of perpetuity, was terminated by secession.
The proposed Constitution provided that it would take effect upon ratification by nine states. On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify.
On that date, a new union was formed that seceded from the union formed by the Articles of Confederation -- this secession, however, was in express violation of Article XIII, which barred any alteration in the Articles save by *unanimous* consent.
Third, and most significantly, the exhortation of perpetuity found in the Articles was stricken from the text of the new Constitution.
Nor does the word “secession,” "secede," or any such word appear in the Constitution.
Thus the Constitution in no wise prohibits a state from leaving the union.
Nor does it authorize the federal government to forcibly retain a state that has seceded.
Fourth, when they originally ratified the U.S. Constitution, at least three states – New York, Virginia, and Rhode Island - included clauses asserting the right to secede from the Union at a future time.
Fifth, Federalist #45 states: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” This principle was in turn enshrined in the 10th Amendment.
Thus Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it."
Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists threatened to secede, Jefferson said, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'"
Consequently, the Constitution's silence can in no way be understood as an implied abrogation or nullification of the right of secession, which was firmly established in 1776 (in our secession from Britain, and the grounds articulated in the Declaration of Independence) and 1787 (in the secession from the Articles of Confederation), in the ratifying conventions of at least three states party to the Constitution, and in Jefferson's remarks.
Lincoln's argument to the contrary, discussed in detail in my first post, fails. Chase's argument in Texas v. White - which you repeat no less than five times - merely regurgitates the "more perfect union" portion of Lincoln's argument, and thus similarly fails.
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
> The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself
> oh Lordy - no wonder they lost
You are obviously a babbler - aka fool, nincompoop, imbecile, chowderhead, ignoramus and/or brain-dead - who is incapable of framing a clear rebuttal or counter-argument, and so resorts to lame jokes with multiple exclamation points.
If an intelligent interlocutor is willing to step in and pick up the flag,* as it were, I would be willing to continue this colloquy, but your craptastic cap-locked comments are unworthy of further response.
*size>
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:04PM
Here is what we need:
1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
it's funny - the more this goes on, the more I realize how week y'all rednecks are
Moonshine really does dull the senses, doesnt it?
LoLz
1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
it's funny - the more this goes on, the more I realize how week y'all rednecks are
Moonshine really does dull the senses, doesnt it?
LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:05PM
@MLK - um, the Aritcles of Confederation were DROPPED in favor of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
apparently, you were too busy fucking your sister to get the memo on that
LoLz
apparently, you were too busy fucking your sister to get the memo on that
LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:06PM
p.s. those "clauses" were null and voided by Texas vs. White
apparently, you dont get what LAW means
which is, of course, why you still think fucking your trailer park mom is an ok practice
:)
apparently, you dont get what LAW means
which is, of course, why you still think fucking your trailer park mom is an ok practice
:)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:08PM
Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crk making you dumber all the time. Lolz
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crk making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:09PM
You phukking your whore mommy again Goron? Stop it, it's gross. Illiterate scumbag
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:11PM
You rapin your whore sister Goro, that why you missed out on the lawless secession from the Articles of confederation
Lolz
Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
RELAX - IT'S OVER NOW
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:25PM
> "it's funny -
> the more this goes on,
> the more I realize how
> week y'all rednecks are
HOW "week".
/END GAME
> the more this goes on,
> the more I realize how
> week y'all rednecks are
HOW "week".
/END GAME
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:42PM
if the entire Confederacy
hinges on whether or not I make a typo
then yea
y'all are pretty "week"
ROFLMAO!
hinges on whether or not I make a typo
then yea
y'all are pretty "week"
ROFLMAO!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:47PM
ok, I'll bite - what is this all about anyways?
are y'all seriously giving a fuck what I think about you?
you will always be traitor to the Union, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?
no matter what I say, you will always be traitorous dogs who betrayed the United States of America for your own selfish needs
you will always be no better than Al Quida
and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the United States
and in case you havent noticed, this argument was over almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO
and those who support it today, well they are just scum
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are y'all seriously giving a fuck what I think about you?
you will always be traitor to the Union, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?
no matter what I say, you will always be traitorous dogs who betrayed the United States of America for your own selfish needs
you will always be no better than Al Quida
and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the United States
and in case you havent noticed, this argument was over almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO
and those who support it today, well they are just scum
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:50PM
MLK,
While I do, of course, agree with most of what you write, there is nevertheless an issue I would like to take uo with you. You write;
"In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government."
The secession of 1776 was, according to British Constitutional law, quite illegal and accordingly, the founders were all regarded as traitors. The Declaration of Independence was a political document that merely advanced a noetic and and natural law metaphaphysic. Ultimately the right of revolution, as promulgated by the Declaration, had little or no impact on the positive law dynamic. It is therefore the case, that the secession of 1776 was, as I said originally, quite lawless.
While I do, of course, agree with most of what you write, there is nevertheless an issue I would like to take uo with you. You write;
"In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government."
The secession of 1776 was, according to British Constitutional law, quite illegal and accordingly, the founders were all regarded as traitors. The Declaration of Independence was a political document that merely advanced a noetic and and natural law metaphaphysic. Ultimately the right of revolution, as promulgated by the Declaration, had little or no impact on the positive law dynamic. It is therefore the case, that the secession of 1776 was, as I said originally, quite lawless.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:53PM
ok, I'll bite - what is this all about anyways?
Gordon, do you seriously think I give a fuck what you think?
you will always be traitor to the Constitution, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?
no matter what I say, you will always be a filthy butt sniffing traitorous dog who betrayed the Constitution United States of America for your own selfish needs
you will always be no better than Al Quida
and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the Constitution of United States
and in case you havent noticed, this argument just began almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO
and those who oppose the right to self-determination today, well they are just pure scum
Gordon, do you seriously think I give a fuck what you think?
you will always be traitor to the Constitution, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?
no matter what I say, you will always be a filthy butt sniffing traitorous dog who betrayed the Constitution United States of America for your own selfish needs
you will always be no better than Al Quida
and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the Constitution of United States
and in case you havent noticed, this argument just began almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO
and those who oppose the right to self-determination today, well they are just pure scum
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 10:58PM
oh tully LoLz
nite nite
Attachments:
nite nite
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:01PM
Oh Gordon..you crazy crack smokin niggga!!! nitey nitey
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
3=========D~
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:08PM
HEY GORDON, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH FUNNIER IF YOU HAD
AN OUNCE OF PHONETIC COMPETANCY AND HAD WRITTEN DEESE, INSTEAD OF "DESE".
[Insert Internet Humor Faggotry Here]
AN OUNCE OF PHONETIC COMPETANCY AND HAD WRITTEN DEESE, INSTEAD OF "DESE".
[Insert Internet Humor Faggotry Here]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:12PM
you know you are dealing with a ig-nant backwoods hick when they think they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)
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MASTER BLASTER!! Listen to the LAW!!!
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:16PM
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:18PM
Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:20PM
you know you are dealing with a filthy ig-nant ghetto dwelling crack smokin nigger when they think they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:23PM
We need?
why do you need that from me, stupid hillbily?
why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now doesnt it
ROFLMAO
why do you need that from me, stupid hillbily?
why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now doesnt it
ROFLMAO
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:24PM
every time I pass a Confederate flag or marker now, I'll know that it's existance is due to my ALLOWING it to be there - thanks, Tully :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:25PM
we need?
why do you need that from me, stupid filthy nigger?
why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now dont it boy
why do you need that from me, stupid filthy nigger?
why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now dont it boy
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:26PM
every time I pass a American flag or marker now, I'll know that it's existance is due to my ALLOWING it to be there - thanks, Gordon :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:28PM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
------------------------------------------
> "you know you are dealing with a ig-nant backwoods hick when they think
> they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)"
THIS IS GORDO'S WAY OF SAYING "Haha you fools, I am an apologist progressive white guy that's thinks I propell myself to some moral highground when I stick my white nose in some minority's brown asshole".
IS ANYBODY ELSE HUNGRY FOR POPCORN ?
------------------------------------------
> "you know you are dealing with a ig-nant backwoods hick when they think
> they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)"
THIS IS GORDO'S WAY OF SAYING "Haha you fools, I am an apologist progressive white guy that's thinks I propell myself to some moral highground when I stick my white nose in some minority's brown asshole".
IS ANYBODY ELSE HUNGRY FOR POPCORN ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:31PM
oh, so now I'm white
that's HILARIOUS
o_0
that's HILARIOUS
o_0
since you cant read English and cant comprehend "law"
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:33PM
p.s. the only thing you could "allow" is yr mom walking down Rt 1 for pocket change LoLz
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:34PM
Now he be a white man...lolz
Re: since you cant read English and cant comprehend "law"
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:34PM
Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:37PM
Gordon, stop pimping out your whore mommy!! Lolz
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
We need:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:38PM
p.s. the only thing you could "allow" asshole, is your ugly whore mom walking down Rt 1 for pocket change LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:40PM
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:46PM
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Jimmy James
()
Date: March 23, 2011 11:50PM
gordon,
TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!!!!
- Jimmy James
TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!!!!
- Jimmy James
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:06AM
i am - it's called America
learn to read, hillbilly
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
learn to read, hillbilly
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:06AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
----------------------------------------
> ".....BLAH BLAH BLAH... The first result of these circumstances
> was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created
> a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. BLAH BLAH BLAH....
> .....IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE
> CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not ?"
Under the Articles, the states retained sovereignty over all governmental functions not specifically relinquished to the national government
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation
NOW GO TO BED GORDO AND GIVE THAT WE LITTLE BRAIN OF YOURS A BREAK, OKAY ?
I'M GOING TO GO LISTEN TO SOME METALICA, OR MAYBE EVEN SOME NIGGER-RAP :)
----------------------------------------
> ".....BLAH BLAH BLAH... The first result of these circumstances
> was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created
> a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. BLAH BLAH BLAH....
> .....IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE
> CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not ?"
Under the Articles, the states retained sovereignty over all governmental functions not specifically relinquished to the national government
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation
NOW GO TO BED GORDO AND GIVE THAT WE LITTLE BRAIN OF YOURS A BREAK, OKAY ?
I'M GOING TO GO LISTEN TO SOME METALICA, OR MAYBE EVEN SOME NIGGER-RAP :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:11AM
Stll needed you ignorant nigger:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:13AM
um, we dont work under the Articles_of_Confederation anymore ,stupid
"And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]"
dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed, hillbilly :)
"And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]"
dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed, hillbilly :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:14AM
@ tully
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:14AM
learn to read, hillbilly
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
GORDON SHEEN?
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:16AM
is gordon BLVD actually charlie sheen?!?!?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
3=========D~
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:16AM
INCASE YOU DIDN'T GET THAT GORDO, THE STATE CAN DECIDE
SUCESSION IS NECESSARY IN WHICH CASE A VOIDING OF BOTH
THE CONSTITUION AND THE ARTICLES IS A BI-PRODUCT = NO TREASON or TRAITORS!
GOODNIGHT YOU SIMPLEMINDED FUCK.
SUCESSION IS NECESSARY IN WHICH CASE A VOIDING OF BOTH
THE CONSTITUION AND THE ARTICLES IS A BI-PRODUCT = NO TREASON or TRAITORS!
GOODNIGHT YOU SIMPLEMINDED FUCK.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:17AM
learn to read nigger:
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
GORDO the PEDO
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:25AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
--------------------------------
> "dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed,
> hillbilly :)"
I DON'T HAVE A DAUGHTER, BUT YOU MAKE SURE TO SHOW YOUR FUNKY DAUGHTER WHERE
THE WELFARE OFFICE IS AT WHEN SHE DELIVERS YOUR INBRED NIGGER TAR BABY.
--------------------------------
> "dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed,
> hillbilly :)"
I DON'T HAVE A DAUGHTER, BUT YOU MAKE SURE TO SHOW YOUR FUNKY DAUGHTER WHERE
THE WELFARE OFFICE IS AT WHEN SHE DELIVERS YOUR INBRED NIGGER TAR BABY.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:31AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
-----------------------------------------
> "um, we dont work under the Articles_of_Confederation anymore ,stupid"
I DON'T KNOW I THOUGHT SOMEHOW YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY THE
ARTICLES PROHIBIT SUCESSION, MORON.
I MEAN C'MON, YOU'RE GIVIN' US LITTLE TO WORK WITH HERE.
-----------------------------------------
> "um, we dont work under the Articles_of_Confederation anymore ,stupid"
I DON'T KNOW I THOUGHT SOMEHOW YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY THE
ARTICLES PROHIBIT SUCESSION, MORON.
I MEAN C'MON, YOU'RE GIVIN' US LITTLE TO WORK WITH HERE.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:37AM
I gotta admit, I dont know how to teach the illiterate how to read English
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:38AM
I am right now praising God and ALL the saints that you dont have a daughter...........
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:38AM
Okay, so here's the deal. Admittedly, I have been jerking Gordo around, in part because it is positively hilarious to see how foaming-at-the-mouth hysterical he becomes. But on a more serious note, I have repeatedly challenged him to find a prohibition against secession in the Constitution(there is none). Gordo has, quite predictably, and as only that semi-literate miscreant could, frantically relied on Texas v White and, and hilariously, the PREAMBLE. Here's where it gets really fun; the preamble is merely a declaration and has no power. Here is the language of the Supreme Court, Justice Harlan for the majority:
"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."
Gordo is such an ignorant boob, that it almost cruel to toy with him this way. But he is also a complete asswipe, so what the hell, I humiliated him and I enjoyed it. Hehehe....
"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."
Gordo is such an ignorant boob, that it almost cruel to toy with him this way. But he is also a complete asswipe, so what the hell, I humiliated him and I enjoyed it. Hehehe....
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:41AM
So we are back to square one:
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:42AM
I MEAN C'MON, YOU'RE GIVIN' US LITTLE TO WORK WITH HERE.
well, that's cause I'm only giving you as little as yr tiny mind can handle
LoLz
goodnite, Tully and JJ
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well, that's cause I'm only giving you as little as yr tiny mind can handle
LoLz
goodnite, Tully and JJ
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:43AM
yet you fail to notice that preamble was the legal basis for a Supreme Court Decision
if you cant stand to abide by the laws of the US, GTFO, hillbilly
if you cant stand to abide by the laws of the US, GTFO, hillbilly
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:46AM
Here ya go nigger.
"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."
lolz
So we are back to square one:
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."
lolz
So we are back to square one:
Needed:
1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession
2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.
Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:46AM
p.s. Justice Harlan's BULLSHIT was throw out with Brown vs Board of Education
GET WITH THE 21th CENTURY, hillbilly
GET WITH THE 21th CENTURY, hillbilly
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:47AM
in other words, what you are talking about , is BULLSHIT in terms of law
YOU FAIL
YOU FAIL
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:47AM
lol@Gordon!! howz that teeny tiny itsy bitsy little nigger brain of your working boy...lolz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:48AM
if you are using Plessy v. Ferguson to back up your claims, you really are a stupid hillbilly LoLz
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:48AM
lol@Gordon!! you're just beggin now, you little nigger
YOU FAIL LOLZ
YOU FAIL LOLZ
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:49AM
p.s. you are as clueless on law, as you are what race I am, dudette
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:51AM
Plessy??!! Jesus, it's far, far worse than I thought!! Plessy!!!???
*points and laughs at Gordon*
PLESSY!!!?? You ignorant clow, get the phuk outta here, you are now only humiliating yoursel.
*points and laughs at Gordon*
PLESSY!!!?? You ignorant clow, get the phuk outta here, you are now only humiliating yoursel.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:52AM
You thought I was quoting from PLESSY!!??? You stupid oaf, get the fuck ouuta here. You are truly pathetic.
Plessy...pffffft.
Plessy...pffffft.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:54AM
yep, clueless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson
'splains a lot , though........................
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson
'splains a lot , though........................
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:55AM
Plessy!!?? Too rich!!!! lol@Gordon!!!!! Plessy!! What a fukking clown!!!
Hey everybody, watch me quote from Plessy on a preamble question!!!
*points and laughs at Gordon*
Plessy, for chrissakes!! You pathetic fukkin jackass.
Hey everybody, watch me quote from Plessy on a preamble question!!!
*points and laughs at Gordon*
Plessy, for chrissakes!! You pathetic fukkin jackass.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:55AM
p.s - no matter what you say, still doesnt excuse the terroism and war mongering that the traitors did against the US
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 12:58AM
Hey dipshit, here is the language from the link YOU PROVIDED:
"In a 7 to 1 decision handed down on May 18, 1896 (Justice David Josiah Brewer did not participate),[4] the Court rejected Plessy's arguments based on the Fourteenth Amendment.."
You ignorant asswipe, Plessy is a 14th amendment issue, not a preamble. You fukking ignorant asswipe...
"In a 7 to 1 decision handed down on May 18, 1896 (Justice David Josiah Brewer did not participate),[4] the Court rejected Plessy's arguments based on the Fourteenth Amendment.."
You ignorant asswipe, Plessy is a 14th amendment issue, not a preamble. You fukking ignorant asswipe...
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:00AM
still doesnt excuse the terrorist traitors for fighting against the US
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:00AM
Now get the fukk outta here, you contemptible piece of ignorant trash.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
W.W.C.B.D.
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:01AM
> "p.s - no matter what you say, still doesnt excuse the terroism
> and war mongering that the traitors did against the US"
I WONDER WHAT CHRIS BROWN WOULD SAY ?
> and war mongering that the traitors did against the US"
I WONDER WHAT CHRIS BROWN WOULD SAY ?
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:02AM
yeah, fuck you and your terrorist shithead treasonist dogs buddies
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:02AM
yay!! Page 5 lol
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:04AM
I shoved it right down your ugly throat, you ignorant clown. And yeah, fuck you and your terrorist shithead treasonist dogs buddies
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:04AM
Tully thinks the South will rise again LoLZ
he also "knows" I'm black
he also "knows" the Confederacy is legitimate
ROFLMAO
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he also "knows" I'm black
he also "knows" the Confederacy is legitimate
ROFLMAO
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:05AM
later gator - you are still wrong, y'know
USA #1
Confederacy = TRAITORS
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2011 01:05AM by Gordon Blvd.
USA #1
Confederacy = TRAITORS
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2011 01:05AM by Gordon Blvd.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:07AM
p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded secession as illegal and refused to recognize the Confederacy. No European or other foreign nation officially recognized the Confederate States as an independent country,
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:07AM
Gordon thinks the North will rise again LoLZ
he also "knows" I'm philipino
he also "knows" the USA is legitimate
he also "knows" I'm philipino
he also "knows" the USA is legitimate
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:08AM
later gator - you are still wrong, y'know
CSA #1
UNION = TRAITORS
CSA #1
UNION = TRAITORS
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:11AM
p.p.s I think you are right - that the succession of the Confederacy may have been allowed - BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ALLOW IT!!!
During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, regarded the Southern states as states in rebellion and refused any formal recognition of their status. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:
You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]
This is why the United States is awesome - as I've said before - cause we wont hang you like the traitorous dogs you are :)
During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, regarded the Southern states as states in rebellion and refused any formal recognition of their status. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:
You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]
This is why the United States is awesome - as I've said before - cause we wont hang you like the traitorous dogs you are :)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:11AM
p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded secession as legal, becasue it was founded on the right of secession and openly recognize the Confederacy when it blockaded, rather than closed its ports. Every European or other foreign nation officially declared neutrality, and gave full belligerent status to the CSA.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:13AM
that doesnt mean you arent a supporter of treason and a traitorous dog, to boot
The Union government never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and suppress a rebellion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861
The Union government never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and suppress a rebellion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:14AM
basically, we just wanted to chill out, not start trouble, like the treasonist Southern states wanted
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:16AM
p.p.s I think you are right - that the succession of the Confederacy may have been allowed - BECAUSE THE CONFEDERATE STATES DECLARED IT!!!
During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, gave recognition to the Southern states by blockading their ports. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:
You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]
This is why the United States sukks donkey dikks - as I've said before - cause you couldn't wont hang anyone like the traitorous dogs you are)
During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, gave recognition to the Southern states by blockading their ports. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:
You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]
This is why the United States sukks donkey dikks - as I've said before - cause you couldn't wont hang anyone like the traitorous dogs you are)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:17AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded
> secession as illegal and refused to recognize the Confederacy.
WELL (THE UNION) ALSO BROKE IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT WITH THE STATES
IT GOVERNED SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY RECOGNIZED AS LEGIT
OR NOT, BECAUSE THE STATES CHOSE THE PATH OF SUCESSION AS A RESPONSE.
> "No European or other foreign nation officially recognized the
> Confederate States as an independent country.
MOOT POINT.
-------------------------------------
> "p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded
> secession as illegal and refused to recognize the Confederacy.
WELL (THE UNION) ALSO BROKE IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT WITH THE STATES
IT GOVERNED SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY RECOGNIZED AS LEGIT
OR NOT, BECAUSE THE STATES CHOSE THE PATH OF SUCESSION AS A RESPONSE.
> "No European or other foreign nation officially recognized the
> Confederate States as an independent country.
MOOT POINT.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:17AM
that doesnt mean you arent a supporter of treason and a traitorous dog, to boot
The CSA never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and resist an invasion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861
The CSA never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and resist an invasion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:18AM
And as Jefferson said over and over again:
"..all we ask, is to be let alone.."
"..all we ask, is to be let alone.."
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:18AM
oh yeah - Four years after the war, in 1869, the United States Supreme Court in Texas v. White ruled Texas' declaration of secession was legally null and void. The court's opinion was authored by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:20AM
oh yeah - Four years after the war, in 1869, the United States Supreme Court in Texas v. White ruled Texas' declaration of secession was perfectly legal, when it recognized that the secession from the Articles of Confederation preceded the adoption of the constitution. The court's opinion was authored by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase.
Re: The CSA never declared war
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:20AM
Beginning at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, the Confederates bombarded the fort from artillery batteries surrounding the harbor...........................
Al Quida never declared war either, asshole
Al Quida never declared war either, asshole
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:23AM
Beginning at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, the Confederates, attempting to recover South Carolina sovereign terrotory, in an act of self-defense, bombarded the fort from artillery batteries surrounding the harbor...........................
Al Quida never declared war either, you filthy asshole
Al Quida never declared war either, you filthy asshole
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:26AM
meanwhile, South Carolina wouldnt have existed without the Union in the first place
back stabbing traitors
back stabbing traitors
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:27AM
dude, yr mom's here so I'm gonna cut out now - catch you tomorrow
:)
:)
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:28AM
meanwhile, the US wouldnt have existed without the several States in the first place
filthy back stabbing traitors
filthy back stabbing traitors
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Tully
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:29AM
dude, yr two dollar for a butt fukk whore mom's here so I'm gonna cut out now - catch you tomorrow
:)
:)
Re: The CSA never declared war
Posted by:
dvlB nodroG
()
Date: March 24, 2011 01:30AM
'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
---------------------------------
> "Al Quida never declared war either, asshole."
REALLY ?
WHAT IS JIHAD THEN ?
WHAT A COMPLETE ASSWIPE YOU ARE.
Al-Qaeda has carried out a total of six major terrorist attacks,
four of them in its jihad against America.
http://www.google.com/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=1221&fsdt=35473&htf=&his=&q=alquida+declares+jihad+on+america
---------------------------------
> "Al Quida never declared war either, asshole."
REALLY ?
WHAT IS JIHAD THEN ?
WHAT A COMPLETE ASSWIPE YOU ARE.
Al-Qaeda has carried out a total of six major terrorist attacks,
four of them in its jihad against America.
http://www.google.com/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=1221&fsdt=35473&htf=&his=&q=alquida+declares+jihad+on+america
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
dika-dika
()
Date: March 24, 2011 05:02AM
Civil war was great, we got a chance to kill a lot of northern white boys thanks to Grant and those other northern generals. They were running out white boys so the enlisted the negros and we killed a lot them too, I love that movie Glory, if it wasn't for the northern officers killing the negros there almost wasn't enough left for us. Did Col Shaw make it back to Boston? Hell no.
We did win the reconstruction, the south rose again, it didn't take long for north to realize how Lincoln fucked them and saddled them with a bunch of worthless negros, even until today. Now they want give the negros back...we don't want them.
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We did win the reconstruction, the south rose again, it didn't take long for north to realize how Lincoln fucked them and saddled them with a bunch of worthless negros, even until today. Now they want give the negros back...we don't want them.
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Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
tedd
()
Date: July 12, 2011 08:46PM
wow
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
ProVallone
()
Date: July 13, 2011 07:51AM
Hey, I'll take one of those extra negroes!
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
Brandy Kennedy
()
Date: December 21, 2013 10:31AM
Cletus Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> REDNECK VIEW OF THE USA
From Indiana, I refuse to be labled as "Nothing". We have just as much Southern Pride and and as many Rednecks and Hicks as any Southern State... not to Mention the KKK. We fly the Confederade flag with pride in Honor of General Lee.
We cannot be blamed for what our Civil War Ancestors believed in. Rock Free \m/
-------------------------------------------------------
> REDNECK VIEW OF THE USA
From Indiana, I refuse to be labled as "Nothing". We have just as much Southern Pride and and as many Rednecks and Hicks as any Southern State... not to Mention the KKK. We fly the Confederade flag with pride in Honor of General Lee.
We cannot be blamed for what our Civil War Ancestors believed in. Rock Free \m/
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
David Jaeger
()
Date: December 27, 2013 08:01PM
Hey Cleburn, your map is slightly off, I'm a country boy from the Empire State (New York) and its NOT just gay people, in fact, about 75% of New York State is country, mainly dairy farms, corn farms, and a shit load of deciduous trees. The other 25% is the shit-hole that a lot of southerners think all of New York State is. That 25% is New York CITY, at the very southern part of the state. Assholes come from this place, yes, and these are many of the New Yorker's that live in the South today, but there are a few that are normal (I'm one). Plus, God bless the Confederate Flag; it is a symbol of Rebellion, (What America was formed on), as well as a symbol of those fighting for what they believe in and protecting their home from the destruction of war. And I'm a rebel above anything else behind a proud American
If the South rises again, hopefully it is with the north as well; against the assholes in the government who are the real enemies to this country.
God Bless America, and God Bless the South!!!!
I'd have to agree with you about Wisconsin though, lol.
If the South rises again, hopefully it is with the north as well; against the assholes in the government who are the real enemies to this country.
God Bless America, and God Bless the South!!!!
I'd have to agree with you about Wisconsin though, lol.
Re: Happy 150th birthday, Confederate Flag
Posted by:
To Wit
()
Date: February 09, 2015 06:45PM
There has been a lot of confusion on this thread, which I shall now proceed to correct.
Where does the Constitution prohibit secession? There's certainly no express prohibition, and it's difficult to argue that a prohibition is implicit in the text.
The strongest argument for the latter was made by Lincoln in his inaugural address. http://lincoln.thefreelibrary.com/Abraham-Lincolns-First-Inaugural-Address
He argued that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation ("AOC"), which were expressly perpetual ("the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual." AOC XIII). Thus according to Lincoln, the Constitution, too, was perpetual.
The obvious counter to this, however, is that the elimination of the AOC's "perpetual" clause from the Constitution is clearly indicative of the framers' intention to obviate that provision.
In the same speech, Lincoln advances the further argument that even if the Constitution were a simple contract, it would require the agreement of all parties to rescind it, and therefore any ordinances of secession were "legally void".
But again, there is an obvious counter to this: in the case of a breach, a contract can be rescinded at will by the non-breaching party.
In August of 1856, BEFORE the Dred Scott decision, Lincoln had stated the following:
However, AFTER the Supreme Court rendered its decision, the northern states REFUSED to submit to it; northern legislatures passed laws that said no person in the state should be considered as property, and set free every slave who came into the state.
Therefore, by Lincoln's own word, the northern states - by refusing to submit to the decision of the Supreme Court - breached the Constitutional "contract," thus empowering the non-breaching southern states to rescind it.
We may regret that the end of slavery could not have been accomplished without the sacrifice of so many hundreds of thousands. Still, we cannot give credence to Lincoln's - or Gordon Blvd's - inane ramblings by labeling them an enlightened interpretation of Constitutional law.
Where does the Constitution prohibit secession? There's certainly no express prohibition, and it's difficult to argue that a prohibition is implicit in the text.
The strongest argument for the latter was made by Lincoln in his inaugural address. http://lincoln.thefreelibrary.com/Abraham-Lincolns-First-Inaugural-Address
He argued that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation ("AOC"), which were expressly perpetual ("the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual." AOC XIII). Thus according to Lincoln, the Constitution, too, was perpetual.
The obvious counter to this, however, is that the elimination of the AOC's "perpetual" clause from the Constitution is clearly indicative of the framers' intention to obviate that provision.
In the same speech, Lincoln advances the further argument that even if the Constitution were a simple contract, it would require the agreement of all parties to rescind it, and therefore any ordinances of secession were "legally void".
But again, there is an obvious counter to this: in the case of a breach, a contract can be rescinded at will by the non-breaching party.
In August of 1856, BEFORE the Dred Scott decision, Lincoln had stated the following:
"Do you say that such restriction of slavery would be unconstitutional, and that some of the States would not submit to its enforcement?
I grant you that an unconstitutional act is not a law; but I do not ask and will not take your construction of the Constitution.
The Supreme Court of the United States is the tribunal to decide such a question, and we will submit to its decisions; and if you do also, there will be an end of the matter.
Will you? If not, who are the disunionists -- you or we?"
However, AFTER the Supreme Court rendered its decision, the northern states REFUSED to submit to it; northern legislatures passed laws that said no person in the state should be considered as property, and set free every slave who came into the state.
Therefore, by Lincoln's own word, the northern states - by refusing to submit to the decision of the Supreme Court - breached the Constitutional "contract," thus empowering the non-breaching southern states to rescind it.
We may regret that the end of slavery could not have been accomplished without the sacrifice of so many hundreds of thousands. Still, we cannot give credence to Lincoln's - or Gordon Blvd's - inane ramblings by labeling them an enlightened interpretation of Constitutional law.