yeah, fuck you and your terrorist shithead treasonist dogs buddies

yay!! Page 5 lol

I shoved it right down your ugly throat, you ignorant clown. And yeah, fuck you and your terrorist shithead treasonist dogs buddies

Tully thinks the South will rise again LoLZ

he also "knows" I'm black

he also "knows" the Confederacy is legitimate

ROFLMAO
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later gator - you are still wrong, y'know

USA #1

Confederacy = TRAITORS



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2011 01:05AM by Gordon Blvd.

p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded secession as illegal and refused to recognize the Confederacy. No European or other foreign nation officially recognized the Confederate States as an independent country,

Gordon thinks the North will rise again LoLZ

he also "knows" I'm philipino

he also "knows" the USA is legitimate

later gator - you are still wrong, y'know

CSA #1

UNION = TRAITORS

p.p.s I think you are right - that the succession of the Confederacy may have been allowed - BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ALLOW IT!!!

During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, regarded the Southern states as states in rebellion and refused any formal recognition of their status. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:

You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]



This is why the United States is awesome - as I've said before - cause we wont hang you like the traitorous dogs you are :)

p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded secession as legal, becasue it was founded on the right of secession and openly recognize the Confederacy when it blockaded, rather than closed its ports. Every European or other foreign nation officially declared neutrality, and gave full belligerent status to the CSA.

that doesnt mean you arent a supporter of treason and a traitorous dog, to boot

The Union government never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and suppress a rebellion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861

basically, we just wanted to chill out, not start trouble, like the treasonist Southern states wanted

p.p.s I think you are right - that the succession of the Confederacy may have been allowed - BECAUSE THE CONFEDERATE STATES DECLARED IT!!!

During the four years of its existence, the Confederate States of America asserted its independence and appointed dozens of diplomatic agents abroad. The United States government, by contrast, gave recognition to the Southern states by blockading their ports. Thus, even before the Battle of Fort Sumter, U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward issued formal instructions in April 1861 to Charles Francis Adams, the newly appointed minister to Great Britain:

You will indulge in no expressions of harshness or disrespect, or even impatience concerning the seceding States, their agents, or their people. But you will, on the contrary, all the while remember that those States are now, as they always heretofore have been, and, notwithstanding their temporary self-delusion, they must always continue to be, equal and honored members of this Federal Union, and that their citizens throughout all political misunderstandings and alienations, still are and always must be our kindred and countrymen.[80]



This is why the United States sukks donkey dikks - as I've said before - cause you couldn't wont hang anyone like the traitorous dogs you are)

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "p.s. The government of the United States (The Union) regarded
> secession as illegal and refused to recognize the Confederacy.

WELL (THE UNION) ALSO BROKE IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT WITH THE STATES
IT GOVERNED SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE FUCK THEY RECOGNIZED AS LEGIT
OR NOT, BECAUSE THE STATES CHOSE THE PATH OF SUCESSION AS A RESPONSE.

> "No European or other foreign nation officially recognized the
> Confederate States as an independent country.

MOOT POINT.

that doesnt mean you arent a supporter of treason and a traitorous dog, to boot

The CSA never declared war, but conducted its military efforts under a presidential proclamation issued April 15, 1861, calling for troops to recapture forts and resist an invasion.[82][83] Mid-war negotiations between the two sides occurred without formal political recognition, though the laws of war governed military relationships following the Battle of Fort Sumter, the Confederate Congress asserted on May 6, 1861

And as Jefferson said over and over again:

"..all we ask, is to be let alone.."

oh yeah - Four years after the war, in 1869, the United States Supreme Court in Texas v. White ruled Texas' declaration of secession was legally null and void. The court's opinion was authored by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase.

oh yeah - Four years after the war, in 1869, the United States Supreme Court in Texas v. White ruled Texas' declaration of secession was perfectly legal, when it recognized that the secession from the Articles of Confederation preceded the adoption of the constitution. The court's opinion was authored by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase.

Beginning at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, the Confederates bombarded the fort from artillery batteries surrounding the harbor...........................

Al Quida never declared war either, asshole

Beginning at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, the Confederates, attempting to recover South Carolina sovereign terrotory, in an act of self-defense, bombarded the fort from artillery batteries surrounding the harbor...........................

Al Quida never declared war either, you filthy asshole

meanwhile, South Carolina wouldnt have existed without the Union in the first place

back stabbing traitors

dude, yr mom's here so I'm gonna cut out now - catch you tomorrow

:)

meanwhile, the US wouldnt have existed without the several States in the first place

filthy back stabbing traitors

dude, yr two dollar for a butt fukk whore mom's here so I'm gonna cut out now - catch you tomorrow

:)

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "Al Quida never declared war either, asshole."

REALLY ?
WHAT IS JIHAD THEN ?
WHAT A COMPLETE ASSWIPE YOU ARE.

Al-Qaeda has carried out a total of six major terrorist attacks,
four of them in its jihad against America.
http://www.google.com/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=1221&fsdt=35473&htf=&his=&q=alquida+declares+jihad+on+america

Civil war was great, we got a chance to kill a lot of northern white boys thanks to Grant and those other northern generals. They were running out white boys so the enlisted the negros and we killed a lot them too, I love that movie Glory, if it wasn't for the northern officers killing the negros there almost wasn't enough left for us. Did Col Shaw make it back to Boston? Hell no.

We did win the reconstruction, the south rose again, it didn't take long for north to realize how Lincoln fucked them and saddled them with a bunch of worthless negros, even until today. Now they want give the negros back...we don't want them.

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wow

Hey, I'll take one of those extra negroes!

Cletus Wrote:
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> REDNECK VIEW OF THE USA

From Indiana, I refuse to be labled as "Nothing". We have just as much Southern Pride and and as many Rednecks and Hicks as any Southern State... not to Mention the KKK. We fly the Confederade flag with pride in Honor of General Lee.
We cannot be blamed for what our Civil War Ancestors believed in. Rock Free \m/

Hey Cleburn, your map is slightly off, I'm a country boy from the Empire State (New York) and its NOT just gay people, in fact, about 75% of New York State is country, mainly dairy farms, corn farms, and a shit load of deciduous trees. The other 25% is the shit-hole that a lot of southerners think all of New York State is. That 25% is New York CITY, at the very southern part of the state. Assholes come from this place, yes, and these are many of the New Yorker's that live in the South today, but there are a few that are normal (I'm one). Plus, God bless the Confederate Flag; it is a symbol of Rebellion, (What America was formed on), as well as a symbol of those fighting for what they believe in and protecting their home from the destruction of war. And I'm a rebel above anything else behind a proud American

If the South rises again, hopefully it is with the north as well; against the assholes in the government who are the real enemies to this country.

God Bless America, and God Bless the South!!!!

I'd have to agree with you about Wisconsin though, lol.

There has been a lot of confusion on this thread, which I shall now proceed to correct.

Where does the Constitution prohibit secession? There's certainly no express prohibition, and it's difficult to argue that a prohibition is implicit in the text.

The strongest argument for the latter was made by Lincoln in his inaugural address. http://lincoln.thefreelibrary.com/Abraham-Lincolns-First-Inaugural-Address

He argued that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation ("AOC"), which were expressly perpetual ("the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual." AOC XIII). Thus according to Lincoln, the Constitution, too, was perpetual.

The obvious counter to this, however, is that the elimination of the AOC's "perpetual" clause from the Constitution is clearly indicative of the framers' intention to obviate that provision.

In the same speech, Lincoln advances the further argument that even if the Constitution were a simple contract, it would require the agreement of all parties to rescind it, and therefore any ordinances of secession were "legally void".

But again, there is an obvious counter to this: in the case of a breach, a contract can be rescinded at will by the non-breaching party.

In August of 1856, BEFORE the Dred Scott decision, Lincoln had stated the following:

"Do you say that such restriction of slavery would be unconstitutional, and that some of the States would not submit to its enforcement?

I grant you that an unconstitutional act is not a law; but I do not ask and will not take your construction of the Constitution.

The Supreme Court of the United States is the tribunal to decide such a question, and we will submit to its decisions; and if you do also, there will be an end of the matter.

Will you? If not, who are the disunionists -- you or we?"

However, AFTER the Supreme Court rendered its decision, the northern states REFUSED to submit to it; northern legislatures passed laws that said no person in the state should be considered as property, and set free every slave who came into the state.

Therefore, by Lincoln's own word, the northern states - by refusing to submit to the decision of the Supreme Court - breached the Constitutional "contract," thus empowering the non-breaching southern states to rescind it.

We may regret that the end of slavery could not have been accomplished without the sacrifice of so many hundreds of thousands. Still, we cannot give credence to Lincoln's - or Gordon Blvd's - inane ramblings by labeling them an enlightened interpretation of Constitutional law.