Not to mention South Carolina firing on Fort Sumter is an act of insurrection. And how do you handle insurrections?

You put them down by force if necessary!

Also, non of the southern leaders were prosecuted after the war for treason was because the nation had to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction.

PACK YOUR BAGS GIRLS Wrote:
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.
> NOT TO MENTION, THE UNION WAS TRYING TO CONTROL
> COMMERCE
> THROUGH CHARLESTON HARBOR WITH THAT FORT.

That IS one of the powers granted to the Federal Government in the US Constitution?

For claiming to love and support the Constitution so much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it. lol

> "Seems like the Southern states violated several of these
> aspects of the Constitution."

SO ?
THE NORTH VOIDED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL AGREEMENT,
THAT'S WHY THE SOUTH STRUCK UP THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION.

> "That IS one of the powers granted to the Federal Government
> in the US Constitution?"

ONCE THAT GOVERNMENT BREAKS IT'S CONSTITUIONAL CONTRACT, NO IT IS NOT.

> "For claiming to love and support the Constitution so
> much you idiot tea bagging peeps don't know much about it.
> lol"

SORRY I AM NOT A "TEA BAGGER" LIKE YOUR MOTHER.
AND YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POINTING FINGERS CLAIMING
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN ILL-UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU
YOURSELF [you know, earlier, when you were posting as 'Gordon Blvd']
OBVIOUSLY WERE TOO DUMB TO POINT OUT WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION
THAT STATES SUCESSION WAS ILLEGAL LIKE YOUR BRAINDEAD ASS CLAIMED.

> "Also, non of the southern leaders were prosecuted
> after the war for treason was because the nation had
> to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."

SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE DEAD, AND THE
STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE THE NEEDED
HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR HVAC ?

U = POOP4BRAINS Wrote:
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> > "Also, non of the southern leaders were
> prosecuted
> > after the war for treason was because the nation
> had
> > to be rebuilt with their help, Reconstruction."
>
> SERIOUSLY, YOUR'RE KNOT DIS RETARDED R U ?
> SO YOUR TELLING ME THAT 650,000 AMERICANS ARE
> DEAD, AND THE
> STATES ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE
> THE NEEDED
> HELP WITH "RECONSTRUCTION" ?
> WHAT DID THEY USE THEM FOR LAYING CERAMIC TILES OR
> HVAC ?


Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after the war would've helped
no one. 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA! A crippled and crumbling south
leaching off the north is no good for both. Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern
leaders take oath of allegiance and admit they were wrong in exchange for special
presidential pardons. Reconstruction Begins! First step in healing process.

Clear for you now?

Oops. me ment 1865.

same reason Japan get to keep Emperor after WWII. Make nice and happy for long time!

Unnecessary crushing your enemy and it's beloved leaders after war only makes them hate you even more. Look wat happened to Deutschland afterr WW1

Section 10: Limits on the States

Clause 1: Contracts Clause
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Clause 2: Export Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

Clause 3: Compact Clause
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.


Seems like the Southern states violated absolutely none of these aspects of the Constitution.

Also Note: The South legally attract the United States by firing the first shot at Fort Sumter. The North refused to leave to soil of South Carolina, which was, at that time, a completely independent country.



And oh, by the way, where is the prohibition on secession. You haven't showed it to me yet.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]



but dont worry, the South shall rise again :)
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'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "Driving the south and its leaders into the ground after
> the war would've helped no one.
> 1864 - time came to rebuild strong USA!

YOU SOUND LIKE A STRONG FAGGOT.
GOT ANY LINKS SUPPORTING YOUR DUMBASS OPINION ?

> "A crippled and crumbling south leaching off the north
> is no good for both.

SORRY, BUT THROWING A COUPLE OF SUPPOSEDLY "treasonous"
[in your moronic opinion] GENERALS IN THE SLAMMER WOULD
NOT HAVE AFFECTED THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO "Rebuild".
THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND THEY
WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY BEEN REPLACED.

> Prez. Andrew Johnson has southern leaders take oath of allegiance
> and admit they were wrong in exchange for special presidential pardons.

YOU MEAN PREZ. ANDREW JACKSON WAS SMARTER THAN YOU AND REALISED
THAT SUCESSION WAS LEGAL AND THAT THE DA WOULD HAVE NO CASE AND LOSE.

> "Reconstruction Begins!

AND THE HOMOSEXUALITY NEVER ENDS !

> "First step in healing process."

THIS IS JUST YOUR OBVIOUSLY UNFOUNDED FRUITCAKE BRAINED OPINION.

> "Clear for you now ?"

CLEAR AS YOUR BOYFRIEND LEAVES YOUR COLON EVERY NIGHT.

Still waiting for two things:

1. The prohibition against secession in the constitution

2. The language from Texas v White where Cahse applies that language in his decision.

Be waiting...lolz

"...And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained..."

This is exactly where Chase acknowledges the right of secession. In order to adopt the US Constitution, the states had to secede from the articles of confederation. And so they seceded, thereby setting a legal precedent in favor of secession. It is also why the constitution was not declared to be perpetual. More specifically, it was a huge embarassment to secede from the articles of confederation only seven years after they were "solemnly declared to be pepetual".

lolz

ahh, the cycle continues...round and round...

Hey Gordon BLVD...its a new day man...good morning...just wanted to remind you to take your medicine...we dont want you to have another babbling outburst like ya did yesterday...embarrassing man : /



GET EM TULLY!


Lolz!

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

apparently this is beyond yr grasp of understanding, but that's ok, Tulls and JJ
I can understand why you'd call this babbling - apparently, you are uncapable of understanding English

LoLz

@ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn

LoLz

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> @ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will
> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz

I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.

> @ strong ass - there's no link in existence that will
> help you grasp the concept of reality, I've come to learn
> LoLz

I JUST WANTED YOU TO VERIFY THAT YOU HAD NO LINKS TO BACK
YOUR BOMBASTIC ASSERTION, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT.


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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!


The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself

oh Lordy - no wonder they lost
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but here, I'll throw the traitorous dog a bone...............

In the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]

Was the Confederacy successful?

if so, go ahead and use their money, dumbass

LoLz

ANOTHER DECISION WHERE THE SUBJECT MATTER INVOLVED MONEY,
WHAT A COINCIDENCE !

NOW MAYBE YOUR INBRED ASS CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT DECISION HAS
TO DO WITH THE DECISION TO NOT PROSECUTE THE SUPPOSED WAR
CRIMINALS WHO YOU CALL "TREASONOUS TRAITORS", THAT WERE
RESPONSIBLE FOR 600,000+ AMERICANS BEING KILLED EVEN THOUGH
SUCCESSION WAS *NOT* ILLEGAL.

K, here we go again. I need two things:

1. The provision in the institution whic prohibits secession

2. The language from Texas v White where Chase uses that provision in his decision.

Now Girdon, moron, until you satisfy this demand, just shut the fuck up, you hopelessly ignorant bastard.


Lolz

To form the United States, the following secessions took place:

1. In 1776 the colonies seceded from the British Empire

2. In 1821 Mexico seceded from Spain

3. In 1836 Texas seceded from Mexico

And yet in 1861 secession is suddenly treason. What rot.

Lolz

Well this is goin no where fast... I guess you cant spell out in plain English
anything to some dumb southern inbred fucks.

The matter was settled 146 years ago - The south tried to leave, Lincoln said NO,
North burned the south and now y'all are unfortunately still part of the United
States.

The south has a long proud legacy of being the brunt of many jokes; embarrassing
the rest of the united states on the international stage (I.E. I dont see anyone
else mocking the good people of New York City); poverty... and well the list goes
on.

As I said a long time ago in this thread, y'all southerners should be thanking
Lincoln, cuz you'd be a third world shit hole by now if you had your own country.

These stupid filthy inbred northern dirtbag scumbags are too phukking ignorant for words. The Southerners killed 350,000 of their worthless Nazi douchbags, and then for fun, executed that vulgar backwards rail splitting illiterate hit supremacist otherwise known as Lincoln. Can't teach those blue bellies a goddamn thing.

@ Tully - THOSE succesions succeded

yours did not

pay attention this time, hillbilly

n the 1877 Williams v. Bruffy 96 U.S. 176 (1877) decision regarding civil war debts, the Court wrote regarding acts establishing an independent government that "The validity of its acts, both against the parent state and the citizens or subjects thereof, depends entirely upon its ultimate success; if it fail to establish itself permanently, all such acts perish with it; if it succeed and become recognized, its acts from the commencement of its existence are upheld as those of an independent nation." [36][38]

Maybe you need and ESL class?

LoLz

@youdubmhillbillys - reasoning, logic, and reality dont seem to work with them, but nice try :)

SAVE IT GORDO, THE SOCK PUPPETS FOOL NOBODY.

If I was Gordon why wouldent I just post under his/her "Gordon Boulevard" name?

Gordon, moron, those secessions, unlike the secession of 1861, were lawless treasonous rebellions. Try to pay attention, you ignorant vulgar dirtbag reprobate. ANow try to pay attention little fella, cause what I need us :

1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.

2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.

Maybe you need an ESL class? Lola


Ghettodwellers-you cant reason with these ignorant furthers, but nice try :)

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame old sooooooooooooooooooooong
Just a drop of water in an endless sea.......................
All "they" do
Crumbles to the ground though "they" REFUSE to see................\

1. The section of the constitution that prohibits secession.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


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2. The language from Texas which Cgase uses.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

but I realize now you arent capable of understanding that which we NORMAL folk call law (or common sense)

Damn, I'm so glad I stumbled on this site - y'all have taught me alot about why hillbillies are so ignorant

y'all are worse than rednecks - at LEAST rednecks will owe up to their actions - you guys are even too coward to do that LoLz

Goog grief, a common northern ghetto dwelling street hustling crack dealing niggger has a greater capacity for learning than the gutless cowardly asswipe unionists on this forum. So here is what we need:

1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession

2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.

But dear Lord, shitting on these grotesque and stupid scalawags is fun!!

Goog grief, a common northern ghetto dwelling street hustling crack dealing niggger has a greater capacity for learning than the gutless cowardly asswipe unionists on this forum. So here is what we need:

1. The section of the constitution which forbids secession


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


2. The language Chase uses from that section in his Texas decision.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

at least you learned to spell "Chase" this time

hopefully, your ESL teacher will teach you to learn English this time LoLz

then again, you are so inbred, maybe "learning" is something that will forever escape you LoLz

meet Ms Tully
oh, who am I kidding - there's nobody dumb enough to be a Ms Tully other than his right hand LoLz
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what's really sad is that like 80-90 % of the Confederate supporters of this thread are right now wacking off to that pic :(



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Here is what we need:

1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.


God almighty, these inbred northerner scumbags are as slow as molasses in January and as vulgar and ugly as Abraham Lincoln.

What really grotesque, is that 100% of union supporters are having off to that picture :(

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ...And when these Articles were found to
> be inadequate to the exigencies of the country,
> the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE
> PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA
> OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE
> WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]
>
> apparently this is beyond yr grasp of
> understanding

Apparently it's beyond your grasp that it is not at all difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by the words "to form a more perfect union."

To wit: "to form an indissoluble union" or "to form a perpetual union."

However, the framers of the Constitution dropped the despotic "perpetual" language of the Articles of Confederation -- thus, indeed, forming a more perfect, non-perpetual union.

In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government.

Second, the union established by the Articles of Confederation, in spite of its exhortation of perpetuity, was terminated by secession.

The proposed Constitution provided that it would take effect upon ratification by nine states. On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify.

On that date, a new union was formed that seceded from the union formed by the Articles of Confederation -- this secession, however, was in express violation of Article XIII, which barred any alteration in the Articles save by *unanimous* consent.

Third, and most significantly, the exhortation of perpetuity found in the Articles was stricken from the text of the new Constitution.

Nor does the word “secession,” "secede," or any such word appear in the Constitution.

Thus the Constitution in no wise prohibits a state from leaving the union.

Nor does it authorize the federal government to forcibly retain a state that has seceded.

Fourth, when they originally ratified the U.S. Constitution, at least three states – New York, Virginia, and Rhode Island - included clauses asserting the right to secede from the Union at a future time.

Fifth, Federalist #45 states: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” This principle was in turn enshrined in the 10th Amendment.

Thus Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it."

Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists threatened to secede, Jefferson said, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'"

Consequently, the Constitution's silence can in no way be understood as an implied abrogation or nullification of the right of secession, which was firmly established in 1776 (in our secession from Britain, and the grounds articulated in the Declaration of Independence) and 1787 (in the secession from the Articles of Confederation), in the ratifying conventions of at least three states party to the Constitution, and in Jefferson's remarks.

Lincoln's argument to the contrary, discussed in detail in my first post, fails. Chase's argument in Texas v. White - which you repeat no less than five times - merely regurgitates the "more perfect union" portion of Lincoln's argument, and thus similarly fails.


Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

> The Confederacy is looking for me to provide links in order to prove itself

> oh Lordy - no wonder they lost


You are obviously a babbler - aka fool, nincompoop, imbecile, chowderhead, ignoramus and/or brain-dead - who is incapable of framing a clear rebuttal or counter-argument, and so resorts to lame jokes with multiple exclamation points.

If an intelligent interlocutor is willing to step in and pick up the flag,* as it were, I would be willing to continue this colloquy, but your craptastic cap-locked comments are unworthy of further response.


*size>

Here is what we need:

1. the section of the constitution which prohibits secession.


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that language.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]


it's funny - the more this goes on, the more I realize how week y'all rednecks are

Moonshine really does dull the senses, doesnt it?

LoLz

@MLK - um, the Aritcles of Confederation were DROPPED in favor of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES

apparently, you were too busy fucking your sister to get the memo on that

LoLz

p.s. those "clauses" were null and voided by Texas vs. White

apparently, you dont get what LAW means

which is, of course, why you still think fucking your trailer park mom is an ok practice

:)

Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola

We need:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crk making you dumber all the time. Lolz

You phukking your whore mommy again Goron? Stop it, it's gross. Illiterate scumbag

You rapin your whore sister Goro, that why you missed out on the lawless secession from the Articles of confederation

Lolz

> "it's funny -
> the more this goes on,
> the more I realize how
> week y'all rednecks are

HOW "week".
/END GAME

if the entire Confederacy

hinges on whether or not I make a typo

then yea

y'all are pretty "week"

ROFLMAO!

ok, I'll bite - what is this all about anyways?

are y'all seriously giving a fuck what I think about you?

you will always be traitor to the Union, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?

no matter what I say, you will always be traitorous dogs who betrayed the United States of America for your own selfish needs

you will always be no better than Al Quida

and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the United States

and in case you havent noticed, this argument was over almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO

and those who support it today, well they are just scum
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MLK,
While I do, of course, agree with most of what you write, there is nevertheless an issue I would like to take uo with you. You write;

"In particular, it should be noted, first of all, that the right to secession is rooted in the Declaration of Independence, which announced a lawful secession by the colonies from Great Britain based on the right of the people to alter or abolish their form of government."

The secession of 1776 was, according to British Constitutional law, quite illegal and accordingly, the founders were all regarded as traitors. The Declaration of Independence was a political document that merely advanced a noetic and and natural law metaphaphysic. Ultimately the right of revolution, as promulgated by the Declaration, had little or no impact on the positive law dynamic. It is therefore the case, that the secession of 1776 was, as I said originally, quite lawless.

ok, I'll bite - what is this all about anyways?

Gordon, do you seriously think I give a fuck what you think?

you will always be traitor to the Constitution, no matter what I say - you do know that, right?

no matter what I say, you will always be a filthy butt sniffing traitorous dog who betrayed the Constitution United States of America for your own selfish needs

you will always be no better than Al Quida

and you will always be lucky we dont hang you until the meat slides off yr bones for betraying the Constitution of United States

and in case you havent noticed, this argument just began almost ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO

and those who oppose the right to self-determination today, well they are just pure scum

oh tully LoLz

nite nite
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Oh Gordon..you crazy crack smokin niggga!!! nitey nitey

HEY GORDON, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH FUNNIER IF YOU HAD
AN OUNCE OF PHONETIC COMPETANCY AND HAD WRITTEN DEESE, INSTEAD OF "DESE".
[Insert Internet Humor Faggotry Here]

you know you are dealing with a ig-nant backwoods hick when they think they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)
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Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola

We need:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

you know you are dealing with a filthy ig-nant ghetto dwelling crack smokin nigger when they think they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)

We need?

why do you need that from me, stupid hillbily?

why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now doesnt it

ROFLMAO

every time I pass a Confederate flag or marker now, I'll know that it's existance is due to my ALLOWING it to be there - thanks, Tully :)

we need?

why do you need that from me, stupid filthy nigger?

why a Proud Nation would anything from me .............well that just says a LOT about it, now dont it boy

every time I pass a American flag or marker now, I'll know that it's existance is due to my ALLOWING it to be there - thanks, Gordon :)

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "you know you are dealing with a ig-nant backwoods hick when they think
> they know what race you are just cause of what you say on the internet :)"

THIS IS GORDO'S WAY OF SAYING "Haha you fools, I am an apologist progressive white guy that's thinks I propell myself to some moral highground when I stick my white nose in some minority's brown asshole".

IS ANYBODY ELSE HUNGRY FOR POPCORN ?

oh, so now I'm white

that's HILARIOUS

o_0

p.s. the only thing you could "allow" is yr mom walking down Rt 1 for pocket change LoLz
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Now he be a white man...lolz

Good grief, inbred Northerners make me laugh. They are so pathetically weak! Lola

We need:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

Gordon, stop pimping out your whore mommy!! Lolz

We need:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

p.s. the only thing you could "allow" asshole, is your ugly whore mom walking down Rt 1 for pocket change LoLz

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

Needed:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

gordon,

TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!!!!

- Jimmy James

i am - it's called America

learn to read, hillbilly

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> ".....BLAH BLAH BLAH... The first result of these circumstances
> was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created
> a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. BLAH BLAH BLAH....
> .....IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE
> CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a
> perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not ?"

Under the Articles, the states retained sovereignty over all governmental functions not specifically relinquished to the national government
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

NOW GO TO BED GORDO AND GIVE THAT WE LITTLE BRAIN OF YOURS A BREAK, OKAY ?
I'M GOING TO GO LISTEN TO SOME METALICA, OR MAYBE EVEN SOME NIGGER-RAP :)

Stll needed you ignorant nigger:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

um, we dont work under the Articles_of_Confederation anymore ,stupid

"And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]"

dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed, hillbilly :)

@ tully

learn to read, hillbilly

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

is gordon BLVD actually charlie sheen?!?!?

INCASE YOU DIDN'T GET THAT GORDO, THE STATE CAN DECIDE
SUCESSION IS NECESSARY IN WHICH CASE A VOIDING OF BOTH
THE CONSTITUION AND THE ARTICLES IS A BI-PRODUCT = NO TREASON or TRAITORS!
GOODNIGHT YOU SIMPLEMINDED FUCK.

learn to read nigger:

Needed:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "dont forget to wear a condom with yr daughter when you go to bed,
> hillbilly :)"

I DON'T HAVE A DAUGHTER, BUT YOU MAKE SURE TO SHOW YOUR FUNKY DAUGHTER WHERE
THE WELFARE OFFICE IS AT WHEN SHE DELIVERS YOUR INBRED NIGGER TAR BABY.

'Gordon Blvd' wrote :
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> "um, we dont work under the Articles_of_Confederation anymore ,stupid"

I DON'T KNOW I THOUGHT SOMEHOW YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY THE
ARTICLES PROHIBIT SUCESSION, MORON.
I MEAN C'MON, YOU'RE GIVIN' US LITTLE TO WORK WITH HERE.

I gotta admit, I dont know how to teach the illiterate how to read English

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more "PERFECT UNION" establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.

Texas Vs White:
Chase wrote that the original Union of the colonies had been made in reaction to some very real problems faced by the colonists. The first result of these circumstances was the creation of the Articles of Confederation which created a PERPETUAL UNION union between these states. The Constitution, when it was implemented, only STRENGTHENED and perfected this perpetual relationship.[14]
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "BE PERPETUAL." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION." IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY THE IDEA OF INDISSOLUBLE UNITY MORE CLEARLY THAN BY THESE WORDS!!!!!. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[15]

I am right now praising God and ALL the saints that you dont have a daughter...........

Okay, so here's the deal. Admittedly, I have been jerking Gordo around, in part because it is positively hilarious to see how foaming-at-the-mouth hysterical he becomes. But on a more serious note, I have repeatedly challenged him to find a prohibition against secession in the Constitution(there is none). Gordo has, quite predictably, and as only that semi-literate miscreant could, frantically relied on Texas v White and, and hilariously, the PREAMBLE. Here's where it gets really fun; the preamble is merely a declaration and has no power. Here is the language of the Supreme Court, Justice Harlan for the majority:

"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."

Gordo is such an ignorant boob, that it almost cruel to toy with him this way. But he is also a complete asswipe, so what the hell, I humiliated him and I enjoyed it. Hehehe....

So we are back to square one:

Needed:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

I MEAN C'MON, YOU'RE GIVIN' US LITTLE TO WORK WITH HERE.

well, that's cause I'm only giving you as little as yr tiny mind can handle

LoLz

goodnite, Tully and JJ
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yet you fail to notice that preamble was the legal basis for a Supreme Court Decision

if you cant stand to abide by the laws of the US, GTFO, hillbilly

Here ya go nigger.

"...The United States does not derive any of its substantive powers from the Preamble of the Constitution. It cannot exert any power to secure the declared objects of the Constitution unless, apart from the Preamble such power be found in, or can properly be implied from, some express delegation in the instrument..."


lolz

So we are back to square one:

Needed:

1. The section of the constitution that forbids secession

2. The language from Texas where Chase uses that section.


Lolz. All that crack making you dumber all the time. Lolz

p.s. Justice Harlan's BULLSHIT was throw out with Brown vs Board of Education

GET WITH THE 21th CENTURY, hillbilly

in other words, what you are talking about , is BULLSHIT in terms of law

YOU FAIL

lol@Gordon!! howz that teeny tiny itsy bitsy little nigger brain of your working boy...lolz

if you are using Plessy v. Ferguson to back up your claims, you really are a stupid hillbilly LoLz

lol@Gordon!! you're just beggin now, you little nigger

YOU FAIL LOLZ

p.s. you are as clueless on law, as you are what race I am, dudette

Plessy??!! Jesus, it's far, far worse than I thought!! Plessy!!!???

*points and laughs at Gordon*


PLESSY!!!?? You ignorant clow, get the phuk outta here, you are now only humiliating yoursel.

You thought I was quoting from PLESSY!!??? You stupid oaf, get the fuck ouuta here. You are truly pathetic.

Plessy...pffffft.

yep, clueless

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson

'splains a lot , though........................
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Plessy!!?? Too rich!!!! lol@Gordon!!!!! Plessy!! What a fukking clown!!!


Hey everybody, watch me quote from Plessy on a preamble question!!!


*points and laughs at Gordon*

Plessy, for chrissakes!! You pathetic fukkin jackass.

p.s - no matter what you say, still doesnt excuse the terroism and war mongering that the traitors did against the US

Hey dipshit, here is the language from the link YOU PROVIDED:

"In a 7 to 1 decision handed down on May 18, 1896 (Justice David Josiah Brewer did not participate),[4] the Court rejected Plessy's arguments based on the Fourteenth Amendment.."

You ignorant asswipe, Plessy is a 14th amendment issue, not a preamble. You fukking ignorant asswipe...

still doesnt excuse the terrorist traitors for fighting against the US

Now get the fukk outta here, you contemptible piece of ignorant trash.

> "p.s - no matter what you say, still doesnt excuse the terroism
> and war mongering that the traitors did against the US"

I WONDER WHAT CHRIS BROWN WOULD SAY ?