I'm not even sure how I happened upon this group- about a week ago I was looking through the virginia.gov site and I found this-

Virginia has a kind of citizens militia group that is not connected to the larger military at all- they're all volunteers and can join or quit at any time. Ostensibly they were formed to look after Virginia National Guard bases while the troops were deployed, but now that we have a professional military (and by that I mean not drafted) that job is redundant . . .

So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military VA gun nuts running around and training (on the weekends) for the opportunity to become a real militia . .

Here they are doing "riot training" with pool noodles wrapped in duct tape :-)

curious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military
> VA gun nuts running around and training (on the
> weekends) for the opportunity to become a real
> militia . .

As far as I know, they are unarmed and answer to the governor. Basically glorified boy scouts.

THe real psudo-military gun nuts you have to worry about wear badges and occasionally shoot unarmed optometrists.

I met a couple of these guys about three years ago and thought they
were both insecure types who were looking for an identity. One explained
to me that one of their possible duties was to direct traffic in times
of emergency such as an evacuation of the DC area. (as in if the "dirty bomb"
goes off) They also struck me as the stereotype "wannabe" cop or soldier
but for some reason couldn't make the grade. (I noticed one woman in
the video who was just too fat to function) After looking at a couple of
the other YouTubes on this group it seems they may have a useful function
such as search and rescue. I don't perceive them as anything to worry
about and they're essentially harmless unless fully lubricated with
alcohol. When I spoke with the members about the traffic thing, I told
him that I have my own evacuation plan and would not follow their orders
in times of emergency and would go as I pleased, not as I'm directed. I
also threw in that I would be heavily armed myself and would refuse to
surrender my guns under any circumstances. He really didn't respond to
me on that one and I suspect he was in touch with his "wuss-factor" well
enough to know that I meant what I said. Here's another short video
that explains more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNlTXxDZF50&feature=related

"I don't perceive them as anything to worry
about and they're essentially harmless unless fully lubricated with
alcohol."

Haha, could be said about many people . . .

Yea they are officially unarmed, but I'm sure that's just on the job-

"They also struck me as the stereotype "wannabe" cop or soldier
but for some reason couldn't make the grade. (I noticed one woman in
the video who was just too fat to function)"

That's kinda sad, I think a real group of normal Virginia citizens could be a great VDF group, but it always seems like these things tend to attract freaks-

I'd love to play around with a boat or go up in a small airplane for the state of Virginia!

curious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> That's kinda sad, I think a real group of normal
> Virginia citizens could be a great VDF group, but
> it always seems like these things tend to attract
> freaks-

Would you please define "normal"? If I look around at the local
Home Owners Association members I don't see many that I'd want
on my flanks in a firefight. I once belonged a a Neighborhood
Watch group in Arlington and it turned into a constant squabble
over bullshit issues. One woman got so angry and verbally abusive
at a meeting she had to be ordered to leave. She refused and
declared herself President of the group and told us she would
sue us all in court if we didn't recognize her. End of group.


>
> I'd love to play around with a boat or go up in a
> small airplane for the state of Virginia!

If you join up I'm sure they'd let you. The vid says they only get a few
dollars for fuel on authorized training exercises. I'm sure they'd welcome
your contributions.:)

There is absolutely no reason to join. You don't get paid like you do in the Guard, and you have to buy your own uniforms.


The only reason someone would join is if they were National Guard rejects and they wanted to play soldier on the weekends.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There is absolutely no reason to join. You don't
> get paid like you do in the Guard, and you have to
> buy your own uniforms.
>
>
> The only reason someone would join is if they were
> National Guard rejects and they wanted to play
> soldier on the weekends.


I don't see anything bad about belonging to the VDF, especially in the
search and rescue function. They could be sitting in a bar watching
the tube and getting sloshed but it's their choice. I joined a search
for a lost child several years ago and the stereotype who showed up was
a "good ole boy" in camo hunting gear, a pickup truck, and a hound dog. I noticed there were no BMW driving yuppies around. Some more "official" help would have been nice. BTW, the kid was found safe and sound sleeping in a
neighbors barn.

Dear Wally Cox,
I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune-

"Would you please define "normal"? If I look around at the local
Home Owners Association members I don't see many that I'd want
on my flanks in a firefight. I once belonged a a Neighborhood
Watch group in Arlington and it turned into a constant squabble
over bullshit issues. One woman got so angry and verbally abusive
at a meeting she had to be ordered to leave. She refused and
declared herself President of the group and told us she would
sue us all in court if we didn't recognize her. End of group."

Groups tend to do that- why, I really don't know.

As for "on your flanks in a firefight"– don't worry, I am a good shot. I'll try to help out the best I can.

"I noticed there were no BMW driving yuppies around." – They don't tend to help people much do they . . .

Major General John D. Taylor - Commanding General Virginia Defense Force..

http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.jpg

Did I know about the Virginia Defense Force? Yes. First heard of it in the late 1970s from a friend-Vietnam Vet. In the late 1980s they had some recruiting lit in my bank.

Why are people involved in these groups always fat and out of shape? A bunch of teens with tire irons would make quick work of these morons.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why are people involved in these groups always fat
> and out of shape? A bunch of teens with tire irons
> would make quick work of these morons.





That describes most National Guards. I worked with some of them on Fort Belvoir, lazy fuckers.

LOL

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2010 02:39PM by WashingTone-Locian.

ITRADE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.
> jpg
>
> LOL
Attachments:

Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia Defense Force.





-
Attachments:

Wow. Just, wow.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia
> Defense Force.
>
>
>
>
>
> -

I sleep better at night knowing these people are armed and protecting my family from incursions of "reparations" seekers.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

The guy on the right...Hahaha his BDU top is so long that it covers its hands.

And Sally Struthers in the middle.

Egad.

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15520



In 1990, the Virginia General Assembly launched an investigation of its state defense force on reports that "a brigade was saving money to buy a tank and other units were practicing ad hoc drug raids," according to a 1991 article in The Nation.

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."

But the problem was mostly lack of oversight, Keating explained: "Nobody had come down and given them a good explanation of what they should be about."

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia Defense Force.

What the hell do these people defend, an all-you-can-eat buffet table?

-

Blessed are the murderous.
Attachments:

One more
Attachments:

Attachments:

They look like a Civil Air Patrol wannabe organization.

tomahawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They look like a Civil Air Patrol wannabe
> organization.




Yeah, at least the Civil Air Patrol has a real purpose and mission. This Virginia Defense Force is the auxiliary to the National Guard. WTF is that supposed to be?

Trailer Park rejects

tcejeR namoW = albaiD ellE

This chick looks like she should be shoveling out mashed potatoes in the Gar-Field High School cafeteria.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia
> Defense Force.
>
> What the hell do these people defend, an
> all-you-can-eat buffet table?


They're part of the military's "14th and I" contingency plan. They're only called up when the invading force has made it to 14th and I Streets downtown.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

They surround enemy troops and make them feel like they're in a bingo hall.

TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They surround enemy troops and make them feel like
> they're in a bingo hall.


That has to be against the Geneva Convention on some level.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Warhawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They surround enemy troops and make them feel
> like
> > they're in a bingo hall.
>
>
> That has to be against the Geneva Convention on
> some level.


I guarantee you this gal would water-board the shit out of someone if given the chance...



---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

I bet she is a marksman with that pool noodle.

WashingTone-DEAF-Locian wrote :
--------------------------------------------------
> "I guarantee you this gal would water-board the shit out of
> someone if given the chance..."

I GUESS IT COULD BE WORSE.
SHE COULD BE A LIBERAL NEO-COMMUNIST DEMOCRAT THAT TRIED SHOVING
A PIECE OF SHIT HEALTHCARE PLAN DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

They seem to have more purpose in life than those who spend most of their time on message boards criticizing others.

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.


Yes. Preparing for riots that a) will never happen and b) if they ever do, these people won't be called upon to do shit about them.

Good use of time.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> They seem to have more purpose in life

Do you belong to The Defenders of the Virginia Defense Force?

TheMeeper = WashingTone-Locian = Stoopid Negger = Complete LOSER

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.




No, not really. If these people wanted to join the military but didn't want full time commitment, they could have gone in the Reserves or National Guard, it's not that hard.


Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the real military is the same concept as someone that wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a night shift security guard in an empty office building.

Blessed are the murderous.

"Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the real military is the same concept as someone that wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a night shift security guard in an empty office building."

Haha, very true-

curious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the
> real military is the same concept as someone that
> wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a
> night shift security guard in an empty office
> building."
>
> Haha, very true-


It's for people who want to pretend like they are in the military without going through any of the hard stuff...like real training.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

In a real domestic situation that would require the involvement of the National Guard, the last thing the Guard commanders would want to contend with is a bunch of poorly trained, poorly equipped and clueless civilians pretending to be the military in the midst of a crisis. The Guard would have enough problems on its hand without a bunch of well-intentioned but stupid "Barney Fifes" running around.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.

Like you just did?

TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > They seem to have more purpose in life
>
> Do you belong to The Defenders of the Virginia
> Defense Force?

No and I really wouldn't consider joining. I just don't find them offensive.

This might be the start of the VDF backlash!
Call your senator and delegate!
Then its off to the house of House of Burgesses with pitchforks and torches!

As far as defending Virginia and crisis management, the VDF is only about 1000 people strong. That's really not much to cover the size of our state.

Blessed are the murderous.

Ever vigilant...



---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As far as defending Virginia and crisis
> management, the VDF is only about 1000 people
> strong. That's really not much to cover the size
> of our state.


It's really not enough to cover the size of your ass!

Their ranks are a joke too, there is no reason for a Major General to be in command of only 1000 soldiers. In the real military, a Lieutenant Colonel or at most a Colonel would be in charge of a group this small.



Looking at their pics, it's full of majors and above, on the enlisted side it is full of First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors. It looks like they hand rank out like candy.

Once again a lack of research leads to vigorous stupidity.

The Virginia Defense Force falls under the 2nd Amendments "well regulated militia" clause and is within the state's constitution. Given the federalization of the National Guard, it remains one of the only resources available soley to the Governor. When military budgets were slashed in the 1990's to create our mythical balanced budget, that decision put Reserve Units and State National Guards into a new role. The previous model had these uniformed resources replacing active duty personnel stateside; two wars and a full combat role depletes their ability to perform the stated mission. This has hit the National Guard hardest and makes state militia's like the VDF essential during local emergencies.

The recent weather event in Tidewater serves as an example of a typical deployment. VDF personnel augmented the National Guard and state law enforcement in dealing with transportation and logistical challenges 8" of snow created for the area.

All of the members are volunteers, fully trained for their limited role, prohibited from carrying weapons, about 30% are prior military and law enforcement (retired and currently serving), and are just looking for avenues to serve. I would think people giving back to their state and community out of pocket would be welcomed in this culture of entitlement.

Next time get it right before you engage in flights of fancy. Perhaps a debate on the federalization of the National Guard would be a great place to start.

Former Coast Guard Officer and VDF member.

in that video, the overweight chick to the right around 1:38 looks alot like the WoW karate gal.

I'm curious,

"The recent weather event in Tidewater serves as an example of a typical deployment. VDF personnel augmented the National Guard and state law enforcement in dealing with transportation and logistical challenges 8" of snow created for the area."

What, exactly, did the VDF do in order to assist the citizens of the tidewater region with their 8'' of snow?

Also: "vigorous stupidity" is the unofficial motto of fairfaxunderground.com

In latin: Strenua Stultitia (Perhaps someone could give me a better translation)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2010 05:00PM by curious.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> All of the members are volunteers, fully trained
> for their limited role, prohibited from carrying
> weapons, about 30% are prior military and law
> enforcement (retired and currently serving), and
> are just looking for avenues to serve.




What exactly is "fully trained"? As far as I can tell from VDF's website, when you join this organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet and some sort of mentorship as training.

You don't go through basic training like Guardsmen or active duty/reservists...what about your officers? Are they trained on the same level as military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?

As I said in previous posts, if you want to join the military and don't want full time commitment, you can go Guard or Reserves. Your organization is about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is enough to manage a statewide emergency.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> VDF Officer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > All of the members are volunteers, fully
> trained
> > for their limited role, prohibited from
> carrying
> > weapons, about 30% are prior military and law
> > enforcement (retired and currently serving),
> and
> > are just looking for avenues to serve.
>
>
>
>
> What exactly is "fully trained"? As far as I can
> tell from VDF's website, when you join this
> organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet
> and some sort of mentorship as training.
>
> You don't go through basic training like Guardsmen
> or active duty/reservists...what about your
> officers? Are they trained on the same level as
> military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?
>
> As I said in previous posts, if you want to join
> the military and don't want full time commitment,
> you can go Guard or Reserves. Your organization is
> about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is
> enough to manage a statewide emergency.

They could bring donuts to the cops and NG's.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Virginia Defense Force falls under the 2nd
> Amendments "well regulated militia" clause and is
> within the state's constitution.

> prohibited from carrying
> weapons,

What good is a militia with no arms? What's with the cammo uniforms? And why does a state government need the federal 2nd Ammendment to authorize it to raise it's own disaster relief force?

I appreciate a detailed response that can be answered.

1. (when you join this organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet and some sort of mentorship as training). Each individual receives a minimum of 2 types of training - everyone goes through boot camp within one year of joining. As a former DI, it is not the "real thing". But these are not warriors and the needs are very different. The second type is for a specialty which is all on-the-job training. It is much like a MOS in the Army or rating in the Navy or CG. Half the rates in the Coast Guard are strikers - no classroom - all on the job training, so this is not unique. There is also training programs and certifications offered by FEMA that are mandatory by position.

2. (what about your officers? Are they trained on the same level as military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?) 30% are prior service or law enforcement, so that covers boot camp or OCS for 1/3 of the VDF. Everyone else goes through basic and for officer commissions - in the past it was based on factors like college degrees, work experience, etc. Today your officer rank is also based upon prior service - if you held the rank of 03 (Capt in the Army, Air Force, Marines or LT in Navy and CG), you start there. For both officer and enlisted there is a structured process for promotion that resembles active duty and reserves. Addressing the issue of "is itlike OCS or ROTC"? Of course not, we are not asking these individuals to led people in combat or into extremis. The training they receive equals the mandate of the VDF.

3. (As I said in previous posts, if you want to join the military and don't want full time commitment, you can go Guard or Reserve). These people choose not to take advantage of that option. I served both on active and in the reserves and run a fast growth company. I cannot be at the mercy of government bureaucrats - been there, done that, last time it almost bankrupted us. Additionally some members are to old (26 is the cut off for active duty) and now have the flexibility to volunteer. Because they choose to receive no pay, buy their own uniforms, and pay for travel makes their service less honorable?

4. (Your organization is about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is enough to manage a statewide emergency.) I addressed this in my original comment - a 1,000 people makes a huge difference when the National Guard has been federalized and is over seas. They are stretched very thin and appreciate the help.

5. As for your donut comment - try this one - anybody who has not served in uniform is a parasite on the nation? A rather unfair comment but in the same tone.

VDF Officer Sir,

Could you answer my previous question as to what the VDF did specifically to assist the citizens of Virginia after the snow in the tidewater region? Thanks-

Edit to add:
Also, don't bother answering remarks like the doughnut comments. On the internet these people are known as "trolls" because they are trolling (like fishing) to make other people mad. Just ignore them and they won't come back.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2010 08:27PM by curious.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Because they choose to
> receive no pay, buy their own uniforms, and pay
> for travel makes their service less honorable?



No, it doesn't. I understand that it is strictly a volunteer organization. However, you have a group of people that drill and dress in BDUs that obviously want to be soldiers, once again, you can go Reserve or Guard. If they want to be police officers, then they could go that route, hell, even police departments have reserve officers and auxiliaries.

Since your organization has little to no weight or physical fitness requirements and training standards compared to the military (yet strives to emulate the military), you have to wonder if it is full of people that couldn't cut it in the military. (I heard your 30% were former police or military comment numerous times.)

Someone joining the VDF is analogous to someone that wanted to be a police officer all his life and ended up as an $8 an hour security guard.

(What good is a militia with no arms? What's with the camo uniforms? And why does a state government need the federal 2nd amendment to authorize it to raise it's own disaster relief force?)

First, take up the "no weapons" with state government - previous versions of the VDF were armed, This is not up to anyone in the Chain of Command. The challenge would be who issues the weapons and conducts training. Given the uniform situation - most people would find purchasing an AR-15 or M40 price prohibitive.

The VDF needs a uniform so they are authorized to wear prior Army utilities. The current Woodland camo was military issue 2 versions ago. Remember these people pay for all of their stuff and buying surplus uniforms makes economic sense.

Your question on the state not needing"authorization" is correct, I simply added it to make the point that the VDF is in full compliance with both the federal and state constitution. I agree with the premise of your statement.

The VDF Signal Battalion, which has several police dispatchers, deployed a mobile command post that integrates audio, visual, and text communications. It is especially useful when traditional communications are down - i.e. cell phones, internet,etc. We were handling emergency requests for assistance and directing resources.

As for trolls, quite familiar with the sub-species and find their lack of intelligence tasty

(No, it doesn't. I understand that it is strictly a volunteer organization. However, you have a group of people that drill and dress in BDUs that obviously want to be soldiers, once again, you can go Reserve or Guard. If they want to be police officers, then they could go that route, hell, even police departments have reserve officers and auxiliaries.) ..... But they don't make that choice - they made this one. I'll speak for myself - I don't want to be a cop or a solider, and have served both on active duty and reserves. This fits my flexibility. Two examples to make my point - we have a medical unit which consists of doctor's and nurse's. They can't take your route and pursue their professions. Our MP unit consists of cops and state troopers who cannot serve in the reserves or National Guard and keep their day jobs. 20 years ago this was possible - today these guys are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Since your organization has little to no weight or physical fitness requirements and training standards compared to the military (yet strives to emulate the military), you have to wonder if it is full of people that couldn't cut it in the military. (I heard your 30% were former police or military comment numerous times.)).... we don't have weight and fitness standards because it is not required for the job. But don't think the pictures posted in this forum represent what the average VDF member looks like. It is a reasonable cross section of the state and most are more fit than the average couch potato.

(Someone joining the VDF is analogous to someone that wanted to be a police officer all his life and ended up as an $8 an hour security guard.)...simply a bullshit answer, no response required.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Two examples to make my point - we
> have a medical unit which consists of doctor's and
> nurse's. They can't take your route and pursue
> their professions.


Yeah, because there is no such thing as reservists or Guardsmen in the Medical Corps, right? Is that what you are telling me?


> Our MP unit consists of cops
> and state troopers who cannot serve in the
> reserves or National Guard and keep their day
> jobs. 20 years ago this was possible - today these
> guys are in Iraq and Afghanistan.


You are bullshitting as I have known reservists that were State Troopers that were called up for deployments. Their position with the State Police will still be waiting for them when they return home. Anything else would violate various laws that protect reservists and Guardsmen when called up for duty.


> we don't
> have weight and fitness standards because it is
> not required for the job.

So.....you are para-military in organization and structure, complement the National Guard, you boast that you are a genuine militia, yet have no weight or physical standards for your members? How is that working out?

eesh - lets see, I will slow down and write slower

In the National Guard and Reserves, you will be deployed. If you are in the VDF, you will stay here. Therefore if I want to serve and not go away for 12 months, I can do the same thing - only for no money in the VDF. Some make that choice, others don't. Also you have the age issue, if are over 26 for active duty and reserves, over 40 for National Guard - the option is not available.

As for the para-military organization and weight and physical standards, other than MP's - it is not essential to perform most roles. When it does, we deploy people who are fit. Given the slovenliness of the average American and that fact we are a volunteer organization, it is indeed not pretty, but We make it work.

Does that cover it or am I confusing you with facts?

LOL, now you are resorting to personal attacks when called out on your lack of knowledge and the fact the VDF is a playground for people that were rejected by the military.


Again, you say that weight and physical standards aren't necessary, yet you pride yourself on supporting the National Guard and police agencies.....which do have weight and physical standards.


I love your statement "When it does, we deploy people who are fit." That's a pretty pathetic mentality; out of your 1000 available bodies, what percentage would you say are fit for duty?



Are you in this picture "VDF Officer"?

The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore thumb...

Wonder what his story is....

Signatures are for fags

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore
> thumb...
>
> Wonder what his story is....


He's a male ballerina. His feet are in the second position.

eesh, not sure what you want to hear. I have responded to all of your questions. Given I have only 13 years active duty, 4 years reserve time, and 1 year in the VDF - you're right - I am sure compared to your extensive knowledge of all things military - I don't know anything.

Most of the VDF members were not rejected by the military, it is a choice they didn't make. Now they have and are proud of any contribution they can make to Virginia. If my unit is representative of the entire 1,000 force, 50% would be considered civilian fit, 25% military fit. Our problem is not the VDF member, it is the physical condition of society. We don't have a farm where we grow our own, we get people who represent the entire population and make it work.

As for my picture, that is not my unit. However if you would like to go one-on-one in the next triathlon,let me know.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh, not sure what you want to hear. I have
> responded to all of your questions. Given I have
> only 13 years active duty, 4 years reserve time,
> and 1 year in the VDF - you're right - I am sure
> compared to your extensive knowledge of all things
> military - I don't know anything.





Unless you are willing to post your DD214, I take your statement with a grain of salt.


That's an interesting number of years in service with the Coast Guard, especially as an officer. You see, Coast Guard has really high retention rates, especially officers, and if you had already done 13 years, why not just finish your 20?


My guess, one too many shitty OERs kept you from advancing past O-3....right? I think you have proven my point the VDF is for people that can't hack the military.


Enjoy your career as an officer in the VDF, your commission is worth about the same as the printer paper it was placed on.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore
> thumb...
>
> Wonder what his story is....





A little strange he has his hood up when it isn't raining....

I'm thinking about joining the Air Force as a nurse. What do y'all think? Nurse Tutt has a nice ring to it!

i thought for a minute that said the vagina defense force...hahaha

fucked up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> i thought for a minute that said the vagina
> defense force...hahaha


There is one... it's a dyke tactical interweb warfare unit with male members who pose as women on the internet. Members include themuse, conie, alias, jane2, melissa, and NicoleH. They are led by the biggest bitch of them all, eesh.

King Tutt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm thinking about joining the Air Force as a
> nurse. What do y'all think? Nurse Tutt has a nice
> ring to it!


it does have a nice ring to it Tuttle/Eli :)

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> First, take up the "no weapons" with state
> government - previous versions of the VDF were
> armed, This is not up to anyone in the Chain of
> Command.

Actually, I'm quite okay with fewer people in government uniforms carrying weapons, in my opinion we already have more than enough of those. Armed private citizens, on the other hand, I'm cool with.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2010 10:56PM by tomahawk.

tomahawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, I'm quite okay with fewer people in
> government uniforms carrying weapons, in my
> opinion we already have more than enough of those.
> Armed private citizens, on the other hand, I'm
> cool with.
Attachments:

To chime in... I first learned about the VDF in the early 90s at AP Hill of all places. IIRC, they were helping to run radios. "Who the hell are you guys," was my question. The way they explained it was that in times of extreme crisis and manpower problems, they would help work comms, staff NG armories & depots, and backfill more administrative jobs. It's sort of like members of a Volunteer Fire / Rescue Squad that don't fill the line jobs, but volunteer to do paperwork and run bingo night... douchebags like eesh may laugh at that, but that sort of volunteering does free up the front line guys to do their jobs. If the VDF's model for service parallels that, then good for them.

That said - and I don't mean to besmirch the organization as I can see them filling useful roles in the state's overall emergency management structure - I had to laugh at tomahawk's comment about them being Civil Air Patrol wannabes as that was my original impression of them. They struck me as being sort of like the CAP minus (1) any focus on physical fitness, (2) the dedicated SAR training, (3) aerial patrol capabilities and training, and (4) the valuable active duty / academy recruiting angle for youths. Overall they struck me as less paramilitary and more like the local CB clubs that volunteer at large public events.

I do have a question for VDF Officer: as you explained it, you have to pay for your uniforms and are not permitted to bear arms while serving in a VDF capacity, yet I could have sworn that at the last few Nations Gun Shows at Dulles, the people manning VDF booth were shouting, "get a uniform and a gun," as their pitch. I'm pretty darn sure that they had a sign indicating that, too. Does that sound kosher to you? Additionally, is the description I was given over a decade ago accurate: that you all help guard depots if the NG is deployed?

aiuam Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for pointing out why people should arm themselves.

eesh

All of your questions have been answered, some several times - you just don't like the answers. Interesting canard to make the validity of your argument my career and the posting of a DD-214. In none of our exchanges have you offered any facts, just opinions. It would leave one to believe your thinking is emotionally based.

The choice is simple, accept the VDF as an avenue for people to serve the State of VA, or not. It will continue to function regardless of your derision.

Observer of Things

Thanx for the comments. The services provided by the VDF range from doing paperwork (can't escape it anywhere) to running sophisticated communications equipment that the National Guard doesn't possess. In some places we are just replacements, other places we are at the center of the action with unique capabilities - just depends on the function.

As for CAP wannabes, the VDF has an Air Wing - not much wannabe there. We also have a River Unit that has similar capabilities as the Coast Guard. I would put that function above the Auxillary and below the Reserves.

Your comment about the CB Club is not far off in that most of the members of Signal (communications) have ham licenses and are authorized by the FCC. The communications function is critical and we try to find people who have technical expertise in a critical function and willing volunteer.

I like the gun thing, we deal with this all time when people express interest in joining. The comment about "get a uniform and a gun" is not kosher at all. Given the physical standards issue debated here already, it is too dangerous for the state to put people into roles that require the use of firearms. Can you image running it like 1770, when the original VDF was formed, giving members a gun to take home and put over the fireplace????!!! The lawyers would have a field day. What would happen in a state emergency are the law enforcement members in MP Units would PROBABLY be permitted to carry their service weapons. I don't know if that has happened, but can see where it is possible - I would not hesitate to issue that order. With guns it is all about maintaining control.

That being said, if you randomly selected 10 VDF members and had access to their personal arms, you would be impressed.

Most VDF units muster at NG Armories, so that is one our roles to secure and manage in their absence.

I think that answers all of your questions, if you have anything else - I'll be happy to share what I know.

Apparently another responsibility of the VDF is to worry about what some anonymous posters on online forums think of the VDF.

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of posers. You have no authority or responsibility to do anything. If there ever was a civil uprising, you would be more of a hindrance than a help.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> most of the members of Signal(communications) have ham licenses

LICENSED TO HAM

I kind of have a funny vision of this bunch also. I used to know a guy who was into police scanners and radios and was a wannabe to the first degree. Wanted to be a volunteer fireman but with his nervous twitch and stuttering problem, he just "kept f-f-f-flunking that d-d-d-doggone t-t-t-test!" He was mocked mercilessly, who knows whatever happened to him, probably in the VDF for all I know.

I'll give these VDF folks a break, they're trying to do something, whatever that something is.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



Edited 21 time(s). Last edit at 5/31/1967 05:57AM by WingNut.

Last edit at 11/30/2015 01:37PM Last edit at 5/14/2015 03:52PM Last edit at 1/28/2014 05:57AM Last edit at 11/29/2015 01:10PM Last edit at 3/14/2011 11:52PM Last edit at 7/20/2012 04:07AM
Last edit at 6/29/2013 11:18PM Last edit at 3/19/2011 01:02PM Last edit at 3/26/2012 09:07PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> VDF Officer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > most of the members of Signal(communications)
> have ham licenses
>
> LICENSED TO HAM


"Roger, Good Buddy. We have a group of reparations seekers massing on the banks of the James River. Calling in an A-10 air strike...."





"...er, what do you mean, 'Who the fuck is this? We're the Goddamn Virginia Defense Force, amigo! 10-4, good buddy."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WingNut Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'll give these VDF folks a break, they're trying
> to do something, whatever that something is.

That's what I was thinking. If they want to put on surplus BDUs and hit each other with pool noodles, fuck it. Who am I to judge?

Thank Odin they're supervised, at least. I'll take this over a bunch of gun nuts deciding to do something similar of their own volition.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Apparently another responsibility of the VDF is to
> worry about what some anonymous posters on online
> forums think of the VDF.



+1

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> That being said, if you randomly selected 10 VDF
> members and had access to their personal arms, you
> would be impressed.
Attachments:

Such the comedians. Unless there are legitimate questions, this is my final post within the forum - don't want to make things too uncomfortable.

On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder that one.
Second is for everyones bright boy eesh - attached is a much more accurate photo - what happens on our off-hours.

Perhaps we will meet more formally - enjoy
Attachments:

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder
> that one.




Because you googled for Virginia Defense Force, and for a while, Fairfax Underground was coming up on the first page of search results.

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Such the comedians. Unless there are legitimate
> questions, this is my final post within the forum
> - don't want to make things too uncomfortable.
>
> On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder
> that one.
> Second is for everyones bright boy eesh - attached
> is a much more accurate photo - what happens on
> our off-hours.
>
> Perhaps we will meet more formally - enjoy





I enjoyed your picture "offduty VDF"! I enjoyed it so much that I decided to search it to see where you got it.

Do you and the rest of the VDF enjoy going to the Czech Republic to play airsoft?

http://www.airsoft-ck.wgz.cz/image/thm/8196762

Grasshopper - you are close on the methods, you haven't answered the question - why? Action without intent is wasted motion.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I enjoyed your picture "offduty VDF"! I enjoyed it
> so much that I decided to search it to see where
> you got it.
>
> Do you and the rest of the VDF enjoy going to the
> Czech Republic to play airsoft?
>
> http://www.airsoft-ck.wgz.cz/image/thm/8196762

Well, there goes the tiny bit of respect I had for Mr. VDF.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

eesh, your brilliance is blinding, do you really believe I would post an actual photo? It is a good representation - same terrain, the BDU's are the same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any fact check on your previous pix, I understood the symbolism.

When you have real questions or facts, let me know.

Serve and protect.
Attachments:

VDF Officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh, your brilliance is blinding, do you really
> believe I would post an actual photo? It is a good
> representation - same terrain, the BDU's
are the
> same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any
> fact check on your previous pix, I understood the
> symbolism.


Well.......in your post, the one where you claimed you would never post again, you said that "attached is a much more accurate photo - what happens on our off-hours." Don't try to change the story just because it was discovered that you lifted that pic off a Czech airsoft forum and then renamed the photo "offduty VDF."




> It is a good
> representation - same terrain, the BDU's
> are the same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any
> fact check on your previous pix, I understood the
> symbolism.



Really, so the Virginia Defense Force now has Steyr AUGs? Because those are clearly what they are in that pic.


I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an officer.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your
> posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an
> officer.


Not to worry. He doesn't understand the interwebz; he's too busy playing with his scanner, waxing his mustache, and shaving the sides of his wierd haircut.

http://alphacompany.info/


23dBn Blackhorse VDF

Alpha Annandale - Serving Northern Virginia communities including Alexandria, Annandale, Arlington and Fairfax County.




VDF in Northern Virginia! These pics are lulz worthy to say the least.




-
Attachments:

Lt. Stansbury's kind of cute. Never cared for girls in uniforms, though.

Pics 1 and 2- Shit, they've already infiltrated!!

Pic 3- Otter and Flounder join Delta HOuse

Pic 4- Headly has got it going on with the exotics

Tomohawk is right,Stansbury is cute, but the rest of the pics are boredom.

Seriously, I'm sure there are some wannabes, flunkies and goofballs in the ranks, but if everyone of these people are volunteering their time and energy, good for them and thanks.

A PLEDGE PIN??? ON YOUR UNIFORM??!??!!!?!

Stansbury could get it.

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

I'm forming my own VDF. It'll be composed of Blackwater dudes.



==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders to not shoot civilians over the sound of my gunfire."

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders to
> not shoot civilians over the sound of my gunfire."


Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then folks will understand.

==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

ThePackLeader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.





90% of the time, I don't agree with ThePackLeader, but on this one, +1.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.
Attachments:

ThePackLeader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.


Maybe if that happens you should reconsider your career path.

curious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not even sure how I happened upon this group-
> about a week ago I was looking through the
> virginia.gov site and I found this-
>
> Virginia has a kind of citizens militia group that
> is not connected to the larger military at all-
> they're all volunteers and can join or quit at any
> time. Ostensibly they were formed to look after
> Virginia National Guard bases while the troops
> were deployed, but now that we have a professional
> military (and by that I mean not drafted) that job
> is redundant . . .
>
> So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military
> VA gun nuts running around and training (on the
> weekends) for the opportunity to become a real
> militia . .
>
> Here they are doing "riot training" with pool
> noodles wrapped in duct tape :-)
>
>
>
The VDF helped us (Virginia Power) last winter during the blizzards. We were working in rural parts of Fauquier county and they showed up to remove countless tree branches and other debris that we left scattered on roadways. Their help saved us hundreds of man-hours and resulted in quicker restoration of power to storm victims. Yes they were mostly rednecks but they helped us and they did not get in the way as some volunteer groups can.

+1 For VDF Good Deed

> > I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your
> > posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an
> > officer.
>
>
> Not to worry. He doesn't understand the interwebz;
> he's too busy playing with his scanner, waxing his
> mustache, and shaving the sides of his wierd
> haircut.


From looking around their website, it looks like he had 30 years in the guard/active duty retiring as an 0-6 prior to his apointment as a MG. (and a docotrate in plant sciences).

They pretty much are a bunch of good ole boys organized under the concept of keeping Virginia safe. They undergo a pretty physical demanding "basic training" which include small arms, hand to hand combat, and anti-terrorist tactics. From what they claim in their literature, it appears they are pretty capable in command and control procedures. They have a boot camp somewhere in Arlington, which includes a obstacle course, range, and heavy tire flipping site. At least they keep busy.

ruff Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> They have a boot camp somewhere in Arlington

Yeah, at that IHOP on the corner of Fairfax & Stafford St.

ruff Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> They pretty much are a bunch of good ole boys
> organized under the concept of keeping Virginia
> safe. They undergo a pretty physical demanding
> "basic training" which include small arms, hand to
> hand combat, and anti-terrorist tactics. From
> what they claim in their literature, it appears
> they are pretty capable in command and control
> procedures. They have a boot camp somewhere in
> Arlington, which includes a obstacle course,
> range, and heavy tire flipping site. At least
> they keep busy.





Do you have links to support this? According to their website, they are not allowed to have weapons and receive no training on firearms. Looking at their training, they do not go through a basic training like the military; they get an orientation pamphlet and have to take online FEMA courses. Woop de fucking do.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2011 02:57PM by eesh.

they must spend weekends flipping tires at their bootcamp and weekdays flipping burgers at the drive-in;

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
>
> Do you have links to support this? According to
> their website, they are not allowed to have
> weapons and receive no training on firearms.
> Looking at their training, they do not go through
> a basic training like the military; they get an
> orientation pamphlet and have to take online FEMA
> courses. Woop de fucking do.


That foam noodle training will come in handy against rioters armed with Glocks.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Regardless of what the butt-fucks say. This group represent a pretty stable and reliable group of Virginia's finest citizens. They have a code and creedo which includes self sacrifice in its highest concepts and a espirit de corps encompasing vaules and traditions that are trully American. I would encourage that if you believe in what America stands for you support and encourage them. I don't know if they accept donations, but it would be a nice gesture and show of support.

Sgt. tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Regardless of what the butt-fucks say. This group
> represent a pretty stable and reliable group of
> Virginia's finest citizens. They have a code and
> creedo which includes self sacrifice ...

Apparently that stops at the donut counter, based on what I've seen.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Sgt. tully Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This group represent a pretty stable and reliable group of
> Virginia's finest citizens.

Sock Puppet # 646847465435685564464 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TheMeeper = WashingTone-Locian = Stoopid
> Negger = Complete LOSER




---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Please, the VDF is essentially one step away from being a domestic terrorist organization. The fact that you think you actually serve is hilarious. You should find something better to do with your time like washing your car in the rain.

Cops and Police used to put up with the same sacastic hate mongering during the 60s and 70s but when the shit hit the fan who did they call.

ottoman Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cops and Police used to put up with the same
> sacastic hate mongering during the 60s and 70s but
> when the shit hit the fan who did they call.


First of all, I though "cops" and "police" are the same thing...anywhoo...

The only reason I would call the cops for a problem is because it's illegal to call the mafia.

I don't understand the fuss? As someone looking and considering joining the VDF i find it humorous the pictures and picking on the individuals who volunteer. Yes quite a few do not fill a uniform well, I am sure there are a few Rambo’s in the ranks but the purpose is not to become an elite strike force capable of holding off an army. It's only to assist as needed in whatever capacity the local Law enforcement or National Guard need you in. While directing traffic or helping in a search effort may not be glorious, someone will need to do it and I ‘m sure that rather than having A Guardsman or Police Officer relieved of that duty to get on to more important things is just as important. You don’t exactly have to be a trim, fit, individual to direct traffic. I take it most posting on here do not see that as a reason to volunteer but it’s great that there are some who don't mind doing it. For every fat slob pic you post of a VDF member you can bet there is a Ret Marine, Police Officer, veteran or someone who takes his health seriously. I not a fatty or a Rambo, I have a Collage degree and I make a dang good living as a Systems Admin and probably make 3 times what a police officer does "that's sad but true" But I want to help my community, state and local officials if needed without too much interference with my family. I would probably make that uniform look good, take care of it and have it actually fit me. Honestly If you were the victim of a natural disaster, flood or in need of rescue and I walked up to you, gave you a dry blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or even a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of the Virginia Defense Force?

JGHarris Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have a Collage degree

Were you an Art major?

I' change the name from "Force" to "Brigade", more kick ass sounding.

JGHarris Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have a Collage degree



University of Phoenix, right?


> I walked up to you, gave you a dry
> blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or even
> a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of the
> Virginia Defense Force?



I would hope in a major disaster, you are providing something a little more substantial than donuts and coffee. Maybe that's your dream, endless coffee and Dunkin Donuts.

You don't need to dress up like John Matrix and swear to obey orders to hand out blankets after a disaster.

No. Wrong Jon Harris HaHa

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JGHarris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a Collage degree
>
>
>
> University of Phoenix, right?
>
>
> > I walked up to you, gave you a dry
> > blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or
> even
> > a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of
> the
> > Virginia Defense Force?
>
>
>
> I would hope in a major disaster, you are
> providing something a little more substantial than
> donuts and coffee. Maybe that's your dream,
> endless coffee and Dunkin Donuts.

No but even if it were U of Phoenix it's probably more then you have. Also you obviously did not read the whole thread or you you would know about the mention of Donuts earlier but if that's your first impression of me from my post then I imagine you live with your mom, play Warcraft in the basement and stick suppositories up your butt cause your full of shit. My point was if that is what was asked of me I would do it. Although I do think the uniform could simply be a pair of tactical pants and a Tee. I don't see the need for old surplus BDUs.It does give the impression of a military presence and more then enough to make some think they are in a position. Perhaps a bit of PT is in order

The jgharris that responded tonight is not the same person that posted on the 1st, but you are both idiots nonetheless.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The jgharris that responded tonight is not the
> same person that posted on the 1st, but you are
> both idiots nonetheless.


How do you know, dumbass?

If it ever gets so bad that we need to use the VDF, does that mean that the capital city super squad has failed us??

http://www.supersquad.org/yet-more-news/
Attachments:

So, you are going to put people down who volunteer their time to help there fellow citizens in times of trouble and disaster? Did any of you notice that many of these folks have actual army combat unit patches below their Virginia flags on their uniforms? This signifies that these people served their country in the federal armed forces, honorably, and yet still feel the need to give of themselves to serve their commmnunities back home. Many of them serve until their deaths.
The VDF serves in in un-armed role because that is what is mandated by the constitution of Virginia and Aticle 2 of the US constitution. They are not "gun nuts", as you would paint them. If you spent any time at all researching, you would see that the current focus and mission set of this unit is towards search and rescue after natural and man-made disasters. In addition, they provide medical services and air reconnesence to aid in search and rescue missions conducted by other state agencies.
They serve for FREE. They buy all their own equipment OUT OF POCKET. They take UNPAID time off work to train and serve. They respond on a TWO HOUR response time to ANYWHERE in the state of Virginia, leaving their families and jobs on a moment's notice. Yes, it is true that in times of EXTREME emergencies they can be armed, but that is not by their choice but rests SOLELY with the governor of Virginia. They seek only to provide aid and comfort to yourself and your family in times of crisis and train as such.
How do I know, I am one of them!
Don't care if you respect me or my fellow volunteers or not. I would still provide you with the best possible service I can under any conditions. I would give you my last drop of water and my last bite of food in times of crisis. I care not if you respect me or listen to me or are armed better and don't care to listen to me. I will not try to threaten you or tell you what to do rather I would simply ask you if you had enough water to drink, food to eat, clothes to wear or bandages to cover your wounds then provide you with what you need to aleviate your suffering and be on my way.
VDF, for those of you who care to research, is the oldest continuously serving military organization in the US, dating to before the formation of the US. By serving the people of Virginia with dignity and respect and helping those in need we do our small part to honor those who fell before us but at no time seek to be better than anyone else.
If you are that concerned that you are going to come on here and put us down, I welcome you to come to one of our drills and tell us how we could serve our community better. Offer up an idea, not a put-down.

VDF Volunteer,


Why would someone join the VDF versus the VA National Guard, where you get compensated for your time and all equipment is paid for? I've seen the pics of your organization during exercises and the description of your support services, it sounds like you would be a fifth wheel during a state emergency.


Have you ever asked yourself why Virginia doesn't include you in VDEM? That is, after all, the agency that responds to state emergencies.

Thanks for this. I didn't even know this group existed; so I googled it and found this link for them...

Virginia Defense Force (VDF)
http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/

The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the Commonwealth's military reserve.
The force is governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.

The Virginia Defense Force, with a targeted membership of at least 1,200, shall be organized within and subject to the control of the Department of Military Affairs.


When called to state active duty, the mission of the Virginia Defense Force shall be to

•provide for an adequately trained organized reserve militia to assume control of Virginia National Guard facilities and to secure any federal and state property left in place in the event of the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard


•assist in the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard


•support the Virginia National Guard in providing family assistance to military dependents within the Commonwealth in the event of the mobilization of the National Guard


•provide a military force to respond to the call of the Governor in those circumstances described in § 44-75.1

"provide a military force to respond to the call of the Governor in those circumstances described in § 44-75.1"

here is the link for § 44-75.1

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+44-75.1

I have been really surprised by the number of supposed VDF members that read FU.

Edit to add: google search "Virginia defense force fairfax" and this thread is the top hit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2011 11:54AM by curious.

In the News... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "provide a military force to respond to the call
> of the Governor in those circumstances described
> in § 44-75.1"
>
> here is the link for § 44-75.1
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+44-75.1




And what good is it when they have no weapons? Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't allowed weapons?

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
>
> > d+44-75.1
>
>
>
>
> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?

Of course there are. Ever heard of the Salivation Army?

And this KISS Army too. Duh.

VA Defender Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
>
> >
> > > d+44-75.1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> > Have you ever heard of a military force that
> isn't
> > allowed weapons?
>
> Of course there are. Ever heard of the Salivation
> Army?

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In the News... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "provide a military force to respond to the
> call
> > of the Governor in those circumstances
> described
> > in § 44-75.1"
> >
> > here is the link for § 44-75.1
> >
> >
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
>
> > d+44-75.1
>
>
>
>
> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?


The way I read "In the New's" post is that they (the VDF) do not function
as infantry but support. OTOH, if they are not "officially" issued
weapons I doubt if they would be prohibited from bringing their own
personal firearms during an emergency if they choose. Please correct me if
I'm wrong but I think Open Carry or maybe even CCW may apply.

They are issued pool noodles which are as lethal as M-16s and M-4s.

-----------------------------------------------

"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Sidearm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> The way I read "In the New's" post is that they
> (the VDF) do not function
> as infantry but support.



You don't need to be infantry to be issued weapons or at least have training in weapons.

Sidearm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
. OTOH, if they are not
> "officially" issued
> weapons I doubt if they would be prohibited from
> bringing their own
> personal firearms during an emergency if they
> choose. Please correct me if
> I'm wrong but I think Open Carry or maybe even CCW
> may apply.




This is about as stupid as firemen bringing their home fire extinguishers to a service call.

Just to clarify a few things:

-VDF IS actually included in the VDEM structure, lookup VA ESF 17. I actually got a chuckle reading that one as I just got finished sitting in a 24 hour FEMA-sponsored course one of many which is part of the training required for VDEM activation. I can assure you, when problems arise, you will see VDF uniforms at the state EOC.

-I notice many of you get hung up on whether or not we serve in an armed role. It is important to note that the reason we are a military organization is because it was the organizational structure that has already been in place for several hundred years. With the advent of the proffesional National Guard the VDF role becomes redundent. So there are then two basic choices. One would be to disband the unit completely. The other would be to re-pupose that unit. In my way of thinking (and apparently the governor's as well) if you already have a group of people who are willing to serve and there are ALWAYS things that need to be done, especially for free in this economy, why not continue to let them serve? The fact that we continue in a military role is basically because the type of work we do compliments the type of work the NG does so by being structured in the same fashion and having a command and control set that is the same it allows seemless integration when needed and gets rid of the need for inter-agency liasons and miscommunications. We all operate the same so when it comes time to play we are all on the same team. Also, if you do some research on the VDF they are the continuum of the Colonial Militia. By continuing as an "Army" it is a way to pay respect to those who came before us and laid down their lives for the freedoms we currently enjoy (not to take anything away from those who serve in all branches now).
-Why do we buy or own equipment? This is only a half truth actually, and I apologize for the mis-information. We purchase our own personal gear, however we are provided with mission specific gear by the state as well as food, lodging at bases and transportation as needed. But as for why we would buy our own gear I guess all I can say is that what we do, helping the citizens of Virgina, is personally important to us, enough so that we will make that sacrifice, so small compared to what others have sacrificed before us.
-Why not the NG? It is true, the physical requirements are less. We will take poeple who otherwise would have been precluded from federal service because of physical requirements. It is important to note however, that we WILL NOT EVER put a person in a functional position requiring a certain physical or mental qualification that they do not posssess. Sure, we are happy you chose to volunteer, but this is still a military organization and you must prove yourself competent in your job before you will EVER be put in a real-world event requiring that skill be performed. And trust me, there are both State and Fedearal credentialing systems in place that make 100% sure of that!
And just to clarify, we are not sitting around eating donuts and drinkingn coffee waiting for some END of The World scenario that will never happen. Look at the amount of times each year that elements of the VDF are called up and deployed state-wide. We do put training to work regularly, especially in regard to communications, SAR and mass medical roles (our 3 primary roles).
And by the way, we DO get paid any time we are called to State Active Duty at normal military paygrade accoridng to rank. We volunteer our time for drills and training. Very important distinction there.

Bottom line is this: If you have a pre-determined notion of who and what we are I am never going to be able to change that. You may have feelings based on media reports of radical militias around the country that you apply to us. Again, I can't do anything about that nor do I really care that much. All I ask is that you respect people who are trying to do SOMETHING to make their communities better instead of standing around waiting for a handout or "The Goverment" to fix their lives for them.
Again, if you have abetter idea for how we could do something please, please come let us know. Call the VDF. Call your representative. It takes the whole state and beyond, with everyone doing their small part, to make things better and keep this country the greatest place on Earth to live.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sidearm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The way I read "In the New's" post is that they
> > (the VDF) do not function
> > as infantry but support.
>
>
>
> You don't need to be infantry to be issued weapons
> or at least have training in weapons.

This is true but pardon me for having tunnel vision.
Everyone who finishes BCT in the Army has the title
"Rifleman" if I recall correctly. This would include
cooks, bakers, and candlestick makers.

Here you go hero, from the VDF website itself.


These quotes are taken from http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/vsdftraining.html.


a. The VDF nor the VNG are first responders and will not be called
for tasks that need an immediate red lights and siren response.
b. The VDF will not be called if an emergency can be resolved with
normal community resources or with mutual aid or with state
resources. There is little chance VDF units would be activated for
ground search and rescue for a missing person, for a hazardous
materials spill or for an aircraft crash.


In small emergencies VNG will request activation of a
small number of VDF personnel to support the responding National Guard
units.

With the quotes above, taken from your training manuals, please explain what your purpose in an emergency is.

Wait- did he say they do get paid if they are called up by the governor ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/5053023344/

Approximately 500 members of the Virginia Defense Force conducted their annual division-level field training exercise Oct. 1-3 at Fort Pickett. The all-volunteer force trained on a number of different tasks including aerial reconnaissance operations using live video feed, communications operations with the VDF’s mobile command post systems, less-than-lethal security operations and basic entry level training for new VDF members.


Caption this pic:



-
Attachments:

Looking at that picture, I would say brutal sodomy is just about a minute away.

I'm sure that the individuals in this picture would be really happy knowing they gave up their weekend to train so others like yourself could spend there free time putting them down for DOING THEIR BEST to serve you. I will not ask you what you did this weekend to serve your community, as you very well may be a firefighter, EMT or Police officcer (although I highly doubt it because most of them who we have worked with were thankful for our help and interested in what we do).

Sleep well, you put someone down for trying to do something good that was within their means. Sorry it wasn't up to your standards but obviously nothing will be.

Thanks for trying to be part of the solution instead of the problem.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sgt. tully Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This group represent a pretty stable and
> reliable group of
> > Virginia's finest citizens.
>
>
> They don't look any different than the Fairfax County Sheriff's Dept. special operatio ns and tactics unit.>

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?

"What are we supposed to use, harsh language?"

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Typical! Bunch of NOVA Yankees bitchin bout poeple trying to help them. When the SHTF I hope you can can eat/drink all those guns and ammo that help you feel special.

interesting Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Typical! Bunch of NOVA Yankees bitchin bout poeple
> trying to help them. When the SHTF I hope you can
> can eat/drink all those guns and ammo that help
> you feel special.
Attachments:

Wow. I certainly appreciate VDF officers patience. I have been in the VDF for about three years. Our mission does continue to evolve, as does our training; as obviously some of the pictures indicate and I have seen, there are some less than professional military types. While there are wannabes in every organization, I would tell you that the majority are dedicated volunteers. So here is what we do:
We assist the National Guard during mobilization; we take over the armories to keep them secure.
We assist local Emergency Operations Centers by providing liaison between the Guard and the local EOC manager. We actually staff the EOC during an emergency.
We are also going to assist in staffing local shelters in the event of an evacuation out of the Hamtpon Roads or DC area for displaced persons.
As to the physical fitness part, yes, obviously there are a lot of our people who could benefit from dropping the tonnage, but they are representative of America.
Our training is very formal, we attend VDEM classes without pay, attend drills and exercises with no pay, we also have to meet certain standards and have attended certain classes through EMI.

I am a prior service Airborne/Ranger/Expert Infantryman. After 9/11 I asked to go back in, but was rejected, probably because of my age. I would be happy to meet up and show you my DD-214 provided you thank me for volunteering my time and effort in order to be prepared to help you in time of emergency.

These troopers did alot of service to the citizens of VA. caught up in the tornado, or series of tornados which hit us pretty hard a few weeks back. Many thanks guys/gals for a job well done.

Thank you sir, my hope is that this is what we can do in the future. All the best to you and yours.

Did alot of good. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> These troopers did alot of service to the citizens
> of VA. caught up in the tornado, or series of
> tornados which hit us pretty hard a few weeks
> back. Many thanks guys/gals for a job well done.


Bullshit.

Hatas gonna hate.

But the VDF keeps a-rollin.

Gov McDonnell just gave mentioned the organization in his news conference (Irene).

Now's the time, VDF, have you mobilized? What exactly are you doing?

Now, This is the Virginia Defense Force!!!
Attachments:

VDF Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gov McDonnell just gave mentioned the organization
> in his news conference (Irene).
>
> Now's the time, VDF, have you mobilized? What
> exactly are you doing?


Don't worry about us! We're doing plenty! What are you doing? MIND YOU'RE OWN GODDAMN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would imagine the VDF is sitting around on their asses talking on ham radios while the National Guard helps the state and local authorities.

The Virginia Defense force Is the Official militia of the commonwealth of Virginia. It is comprised of prior service members from all branches of the federal services and the reserve and National guard components. It is also made up of non prior service members who have a desire to serve thier state and country
but did not have the chance to do so due to medical or other reasons.

I am a Prior service member and am proud of my service in the VDF. I have been deployed numerous times in support roles along side the Virginia Army national guard during hurricanes and snow storms. The difference between those who guack and make snide remarks about the selfless volunteers in the VDF is that these true patriots are out there giving thier time, and most of the time at a financial loss to support operations to help the commonwealth. While those who have silly or uneducated comments are sit around judging people who actually are doing something to better thier community.

SO WHILE YOU SIT ON THE COUCH OR SURF THE INTERNET WHILE THE WORLD FALLS APART AROUND YOU REMEBER YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY INSTEAD OF BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION.

They've done alot of good in the past and I like their attitude. They are 100% grit and determination. Cheers to you guys. I think JBass is part of their cadre.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.
>
> > jpg
> >
> > LOL

VDF is below CERT!

Lots of talk, even more no action.

They have wannabe MP's that are NOT sworn officers of any US LAW. Although they take an oath, the oath protects and serves the Governor. And yes, they could be armed, however, martial law would have to be declared. And even then, they would have no jurisdiction.

Its a good idea, however, with no standards, NO physical requirements... other than a beating heart, it renders the public useless. Directing traffic and looking tough is the biggest thing they do. Check em out at the next Apple Blossom or Occoquan Arts festival. Or they go steal the real glory that should be rendered only to troops serving over seas at the Rolling Thunder thing at the Pentagon.

I feel sad for them.

I say when the bad guys come, the more good guys we have in uniform and are willing to meet them, the better it is for us. We will have superior training, weaponry, tactics and manpower. There is strength in numbers.

I remember when Gov. Kaine was sworn-in at the Old Capitol Building in Williamsburg because the State Capitol was being renovated at the time. The VDF ran the whole thing. They were all over. They do a good job of handling the official functions of the state. You will see them at major state ceremonies.

What's crazier is we still have a State School to train officers for the Virginia Military.

Wheten Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I say when the bad guys come, the more good guys
> we have in uniform and are willing to meet them,
> the better it is for us. We will have superior
> training, weaponry, tactics and manpower. There
> is strength in numbers.


What 1000 people and usually only half show up?

But since they receive NO firearms training (unless they do it unofficially) in case of a terror attack....these people will not be able to do diddly squat other than basic traffic control or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with wooden riot batons is a joke

97% of the VDF is out of shape, and suffer some sort of medical issue. Now I do commend their effort in trying to serve the citizens of Virginia....perhaps they can do so in other forms.

Now there is NO basic training....just show, swear in and put on the costume. Monthly drills are very basic and less than what a CERT class teaches. Drills consist of endless DnC, teaching people on how to look bad ass, and 72 hour pack checks of misused national guard MREs.

I had joined for about a week.....and once I started getting thanks for "serving our nation over seas" by the average citizen, I felt embarrassed and decided to withdraw. I then went to the REAL ENLISTED Military.

Now do realize that many of VDF are now retired military.....that still does not count as an official 'defense force'....they are not swat, nor are they special ops, and I digress about them screening their folks. Anyone can join so they can inflate their numbers.

HHC331SG Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The difference between those who guack and
> make snide remarks about the selfless volunteers
> in the VDF is that these true patriots are out
> there giving thier time, and most of the time at a
> financial loss to support operations to help the
> commonwealth.




So please tell us what you did, in detail, to help Virginia during the recent earthquake and hurricane.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> HHC331SG Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The difference between those who guack and
> > make snide remarks about the selfless
> volunteers
> > in the VDF is that these true patriots are out
> > there giving thier time, and most of the time at
> a
> > financial loss to support operations to help
> the
> > commonwealth.
>
>
>
>
> So please tell us what you did, in detail, to help
> Virginia during the recent earthquake and
> hurricane.


We did alot of stuff, alot of good for our fellow man. I'll bet you didn't do anything!!! We are and always will be the unsung heros during a disaster, the fireman, police and National guard are the attention mongers and grabbers. We are what Ernie Pyle (WW2 correspondent) describes as the "Backbone", the Dogface, the GI Joe. We seek no glory, doing good is it's just reward.

I'm contemplating joining your outfit. Is there a training period involved? How or rather who furnishes uniforms and other required equipment? What is the rank structure, is it comparable with the military, I mean enlisted and officers, a chain of command. How do/where do I join? Thanks. Also age requirements, weight, personal data, what are the specs.

imposters Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wheten Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> these people will not be able to
> do diddly squat other than basic traffic control
> or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with
> wooden riot batons is a joke
>

When you say they will be doing "red and yellow tagging," do you mean triage of injured type stuff?

Id hate for one of these inbread VDF people to be the person who decides when I get treatment.

I have just read a few of the comments posted here and I must say I didn't know we had so many cowards brave enough to attack people who serve. They hide behind cool internet nicknames, safe in knowing they would never go down to a National Guard armory and say anything they've written to a VDF members face. Nor for that matter to a National Guardsmans face. Yes, I'm a VDF member, no John Smith isn't my name. I must still concern myself with the UCMJ, which is state law as well as federal. What these cowards don't get, and will never get, just like when I was on active duty in the federal forces it's not about guns, or training, or uniforms, or if you're in shape or not. It's about the oath, will you give your life to protect strangers if ordered to do so. Yes some are too fat or too old by federal standards, but they're not serving in the federal military. Can they do the job they're being asked to do, yes. Are they willing to do what is ordered to protect people, even people who make fun of them, even if it may cost them their life, yes. I looked and looked for one comment that was posted that didn't sound like someone from middle school posted it, I couldn't find one. Yes, I was upset at first, but now. Now, I just feel sorry for those who have nothing better in there lives, nothing to look forward to, but to try and show everyone how cool they are. They have all the answers because they've served in so many other groups and done so much good in the world themselves. Oh, that's right, they don't. They sit in the basement of there mom's house, in there underwear, telling everyone how they have all the answers. Makes me wonder, the VDF doesn't take persons with felonies, did someone get turned down? In closing, as I said VDF members are subject to, under state law, the UCMJ. Under International Law, VDF members are soldiers with all the rights under the law. Its only requirement, that we be in uniform of a lawful government, we are Virginia. Get out of that basement once in a while and you could learn something real. Now before I go I know some idiot out there is going to want to reply and get into a text war. Sorry, but I won't be visiting this site again. I need to continue my VDF work, church group, the volunteer rescue squad and fire company; you know, a life, get one and stop bitching about others. To my fellow VDF members and all police, fire, red cross, and military personel, thank you. And anyone wanting to join the VDF, do it. Don't let these idiot think for you. There's a lot of class work with FEMA and other state agencies, but it's not that hard. Well for most, maybe these guys couldn't pass the tests. Trust me the first time you're called to active duty and you're working side by side with a National Guardmans, no one will care what your uniform says. Besides, the MRE's aren't that bad, ha. ha.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> imposters Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wheten Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > these people will not be able to
> > do diddly squat other than basic traffic
> control
> > or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with
> > wooden riot batons is a joke
> >
>
> When you say they will be doing "red and yellow
> tagging," do you mean triage of injured type
> stuff?
>
> Id hate for one of these inbread VDF people to be
> the person who decides when I get treatment.


I work at one of the local armories from time to time. When the VDF has the armory booked for the weekend the real guardsmen make sure not to be there. They call them nutcase freaks and want nothing to do with them.

And dont regular military call the Guard weekend warriors?

on the other hand Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And dont regular military call the Guard weekend
> warriors?




Yes, the Active Army looks down on the National Guard, and it would seem the National Guard looks down on the VDF.

John Smith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> They hide behind cool internet nicknames...

> ...Yes, I'm a VDF member, no John Smith isn't my name.


LOL!

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Yes, the Active Army looks down on the National
> Guard, and it would seem the National Guard looks
> down on the VDF.


Shut it, eesh...


Your fat ass couldn't cut it in the Military, Guard, or VDF.


That's why you hate the VDF...because they rejected you after you got the boot from the Military.

Here is a photo of eesh! Do we wonder why he is the way he is?
Attachments:

So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians during this state of emergency?



LOL, of course not.

Blessed are the murderous.

LMAO... I love the "stable citizen" comment.

No. If these guys didn't have some issues, they wouldn't be dressing in BDUs.
Attachments:

"and it would seem the National Guard looks down on the VDF."

I can tell you that with certainty.

These guys are out there buying surplus military uniforms, and showing up in places where the Guard might actually be. In the dark, would the average person notice that these guys are just playing "dress-up"?

If they were interested in become a respectable unit of their own, they would distinguish themselves as an identifiable group, instead of dressing up as wanna-be G.I.Joes.

Just watched the video that "Keepin it Real" posted...

These folks seem to be like a self-deluded "National Guard Booster Club".

Some of the things they "claim" to do are fairly scary:

Assist the mobilization of the National Guard
Provide military reserve for the Guard
Support Guard families in need
Respond to the Governors call as a military force.
Control Guard facilities in their absence

WTF is that last one again???

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> during this state of emergency?
>
>
>
> LOL, of course not.


As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were activated and boots on the ground as you were idling on this site. These volunteer citizen soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless service.

What did you do during this state of emergency?

Know more than eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> > during this state of emergency?
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL, of course not.
>
>
> As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> activated and boots on the ground as you were
> idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know
> first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless
> service.
>
> What did you do during this state of emergency?





What exactly did your husband do during activation? What sort of assistance did the National Guard and civilian agencies need from the VDF?


And to answer your question with a question, what did you do while your husband was "honorably serving during Derecho"?

OMG, eesh---

It seems obvious to anyone reading your ramblings here that all you do is monitor this site and attack the VDF. Suggest you do something more productive in life so your mother can be happy that she gave birth to you.

You haven't answered my question... but, we all know. As vidence from the time and date of your posting, you were lurking on this site for the duration of the state of emergency that we were under.

Know more than eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> > during this state of emergency?
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL, of course not.
>
>
> As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> activated and boots on the ground as you were
> idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know
> first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless
> service.
>
> What did you do during this state of emergency?


That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing. There is only one instance where about 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane a few years back that never made landfall. They had to beg the state to help out first responders but in all reality never did a thing. Half the time they show up to stuff unanounced and stair. More or less one could compare the vdf to the boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base or aromry durring a units deployment overseas which another poster had mentioned. All they do is traffic control durring public events and set up chairs for special events at pickett and ap hill. They should be embarrased they sport a military uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen soilders.

TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JGHarris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I have a Collage degree
>
> Were you an Art major?

Maybe but whatever he studied they didnt teach about the use of paragraphs. Saying you have a college degree these days is like twenty years ago saying you had a high school diploma. It means zilch anymore.

You should check your source before you put out information that is incorrect.

The hurricane that you referred to "a few years back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less than year ago that the VDF was activated in anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the forecast of Irene's path up our coast.

You should confirm your source before you run your mouth stating, "That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long, Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks ago before you call me a liar.

Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false accusations and information that you, eech, etal have posted on this site, for no other purpose but to disparage the members of the VDF who place the welfare of our state before their own.

Haters will be haters...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/vaguardpao/sets/72157627493857802/


http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2011/jan/09/new-culpeper-based-virginia-defense-force-unit-rea-ar-762231/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2012 02:46PM by eesh.
Attachments:

Blessed are the murderous.

king of clog Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Know more than eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So.....is the VDF out there helping
> Virginians
> > > during this state of emergency?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL, of course not.
> >
> >
> > As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> > activated and boots on the ground as you were
> > idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> > soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I
> know
> > first hand... my husband was activated.
> Selfless
> > service.
> >
> > What did you do during this state of emergency?
>
>
> That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not
> do a thing. There is only one instance where about
> 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane a
> few years back that never made landfall. They had
> to beg the state to help out first responders but
> in all reality never did a thing. Half the time
> they show up to stuff unanounced and stair. More
> or less one could compare the vdf to the
> boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base or
> aromry durring a units deployment overseas which
> another poster had mentioned. All they do is
> traffic control durring public events and set up
> chairs for special events at pickett and ap hill.
> They should be embarrased they sport a military
> uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen
> soilders.

You should check your source before you put out information that is incorrect.

The hurricane that you referred to "a few years back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less than year ago that the VDF was activated in anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the forecast of Irene's path up our coast.

You should confirm your source before you run your mouth stating, "That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long, Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks ago before you call me a liar.

Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false accusations and information that you, eesh, etal have posted on this site, for no other purpose but to disparage the members of the VDF who place the welfare of our state before their own.

Haters will be haters.

Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in life is to put down others who have chosen to serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's current posting "Smile!".

What a pathetic life for poor Eesh.

Know more than eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in
> life is to put down others who have chosen to
> serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever
> capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's
> current posting "Smile!".
Attachments:

VDF in action. LOL


The video shows a bunch of pretend soldiers wearing ill-fitting reflector vests doing some sort of half-assed traffic control.

I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually see them with some kind of booth setup. They seem nice enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for their own stuff so who can fault that?

dulles attendee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually see
> them with some kind of booth setup. They seem nice
> enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for their
> own stuff so who can fault that?




They receive over $200,000 a year for funding.


For 2013, Virginia is reducing their budget though....http://dpb.virginia.gov/budget/buddoc12/agency.cfm?agency=123



Reduce recruiting publications
Reduces the printing of recruitment publications for the Virginia Defense Force.

Reduce Virginia Defense Force flying hours
Reduces the flying hours of the Virginia Defense Force aviation battalion.

Eliminate Virginia Defense Force Riverine operations
Eliminates the Virginia Defense Force Riverine Detachment unit.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> dulles attendee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually
> see
> > them with some kind of booth setup. They seem
> nice
> > enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for
> their
> > own stuff so who can fault that?
>
>
>
>
> They receive over $200,000 a year for funding.
>
>
> For 2013, Virginia is reducing their budget
> though....http://dpb.virginia.gov/budget/buddoc12/
> agency.cfm?agency=123
>
>
>
> Reduce recruiting publications
> Reduces the printing of recruitment publications
> for the Virginia Defense Force.
>
> Reduce Virginia Defense Force flying hours
> Reduces the flying hours of the Virginia Defense
> Force aviation battalion.
>
> Eliminate Virginia Defense Force Riverine
> operations
> Eliminates the Virginia Defense Force Riverine
> Detachment unit.



Eesh-- every new post here from you confirms you're obsessed with the VDF. Why are you so obsessed with this organization? Maybe they did rejected you with their low requirements to join. Rejection is hard to take. Get over it and move on with your life!

"Haters will be haters.

Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in life is to put down others who have chosen to serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's current posting...

What a pathetic life for poor Eesh."

Joining VDF isn't serving annything, it's like an adult boy scout troop. plenty of charities provide these services, and the vdf is only a group in namesake that isnt taken seriously anywhere in the state except a few nerds who get their jollies wearing a uniform.

vdf should be a BUDGET CUT, not an expenditure. big waste of tax dollars.

From looking at the photos, it looks like the Virginia Defense Forces could defend the Commonwealth against a box of donuts.

200k a year isn't much at all. Besides they arent hurting anybody. They seem to be giving back to the community in their own way.
Rather have them get the funds then some social program to provide cell phones to welfare moms.

wasteful spending Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Joining VDF isn't serving annything, it's like an
> adult boy scout troop. plenty of charities
> provide these services, and the vdf is only a
> group in namesake that isnt taken seriously
> anywhere in the state except a few nerds who get
> their jollies wearing a uniform.
>
> vdf should be a BUDGET CUT, not an expenditure.
> big waste of tax dollars.

+ 1

Cut the baloney program. Ax the VDF pointless crapfest.

If you killed the VDF, took half of the amount that would have been wasted on the VDF, and direct that money toward the various SAR organizations under the VDEM's umbrella... you would do far more good for the state than those VDF fatbodies going around and begging to be permitted to direct traffic for parades.

Know more than eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> king of clog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Know more than eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > eesh Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So.....is the VDF out there helping
> > Virginians
> > > > during this state of emergency?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL, of course not.
> > >
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> > > activated and boots on the ground as you were
> > > idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> > > soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I
> > know
> > > first hand... my husband was activated.
> > Selfless
> > > service.
> > >
> > > What did you do during this state of
> emergency?
> >
> >
> > That is complete and utter bullshit. They did
> not
> > do a thing. There is only one instance where
> about
> > 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane
> a
> > few years back that never made landfall. They
> had
> > to beg the state to help out first responders
> but
> > in all reality never did a thing. Half the time
> > they show up to stuff unanounced and stair.
> More
> > or less one could compare the vdf to the
> > boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base
> or
> > aromry durring a units deployment overseas
> which
> > another poster had mentioned. All they do is
> > traffic control durring public events and set
> up
> > chairs for special events at pickett and ap
> hill.
> > They should be embarrased they sport a military
> > uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen
> > soilders.
>
> You should check your source before you put out
> information that is incorrect.
>
> The hurricane that you referred to "a few years
> back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less
> than year ago that the VDF was activated in
> anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the
> forecast of Irene's path up our coast.
>
> You should confirm your source before you run your
> mouth stating, "That is complete and utter
> bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you
> contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long,
> Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an
> active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks
> ago before you call me a liar.
>
> Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false
> accusations and information that you, eesh, etal
> have posted on this site, for no other purpose but
> to disparage the members of the VDF who place the
> welfare of our state before their own.
>
> Haters will be haters.
>
> Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in
> life is to put down others who have chosen to
> serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever
> capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's
> current posting "Smile!".
>
> What a pathetic life for poor Eesh.


How many of those slobs did they activate? 2? 3? I like the part were you put serve, you are not serving shit, the only think you loosers do is have pizza parties and wear cammo pretending to be a soilders. Just to let you know a good 90% of ppl think you suck and laugh at the VDF when seen doing traffic control at parades and linger around shows. FYI soilders hate you!

How many of those slobs did they activate? 2? 3? I like the part were you put serve, you are not serving shit, the only think you loosers do is have pizza parties and wear cammo pretending to be a soilders. Just to let you know a good 90% of ppl think you suck and laugh at the VDF when seen doing traffic control at parades and linger around shows. FYI soilders hate you!


"Journalist" must not have been your MOS. Dude, your spelling...sheesh!

With Hurricane Sandy coming, what is the VDF doing to help Virginia?

http://www.wvec.com/news/Virginia-Guard-preparing-for-possible-recovery-operations-176019351.html

please tell me these dumbasses arent out there today fumbling around with the hurricane effort. what exactly are these nimrods protecting?

During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various locations directly with NG units, including at the VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to provide communications between the NG units and their command structure, and to provide feed back and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have never had a better working relationship. Please understand that we are not serving to be a replacement for the NG, but rather very much to support and enhance their mission...and from first hand knowledge we did just that.

VDF member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on
> state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various
> locations directly with NG units, including at the
> VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to
> provide communications between the NG units and
> their command structure, and to provide feed back
> and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I
> can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have
> never had a better working relationship. Please
> understand that we are not serving to be a
> replacement for the NG, but rather very much to
> support and enhance their mission...and from first
> hand knowledge we did just that.


In other words hang around the guard base and do nothing such as you always do. You did not privide any communications execpt with your other VDF wanna bee weekend soilders . Only reason they even let you guys sit around this time was because you guys cry all the time about not participating in real events. VDF is a funny bunch for sure and the ass end of all jokes.

they call traffic control missions?

http://vdfmp.us/wordpress/2012/07/nps-mission/

Whatever you want to think. The organization has changed radically in the last couple years, especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones listed on this thread above, but is much more oriented towards direct support for the NG especially in providing comms. Shelter support will be the next big goal.

And I can assure you, before, during, and after Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms for the deployed NG units between their field locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week, 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the TAG, and that is what we did.

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.

they look like a bunch of queers

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.


No, u were secondary com. Don't lie.

I really dont care what you think, and obviously debating on an anonymous forum is useless. Feel free to ask any of the NG pax deployed this week, or check the webeoc logs if you can.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19943552/va-national-guard-dispatches-more-than-600-to-help-with

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/8134607791/in/photostream/

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/09/30/2190/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/sets/72157631879536686/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/sets/72157631879649128/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/8131152906/in/set-72157631872011688/

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/ check the 4th paragraph and the last one.

Give it a rest vdfmember . . .

VDF member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on
> state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various
> locations directly with NG units, including at the
> VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to
> provide communications between the NG units and
> their command structure, and to provide feed back
> and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I
> can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have
> never had a better working relationship. Please
> understand that we are not serving to be a
> replacement for the NG, but rather very much to
> support and enhance their mission...and from first
> hand knowledge we did just that.





So......you are trying to say is that the VA National Guard has to depend on the Virginia Defense Force for tactical field communications?


They have nonexistent C2 unless the Virginia Defense Force is involved?

Are you serious?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2012 02:21AM by eesh.

Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to believe me, let the NG say it.

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
4th paragraph.

I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks who volunteer and contribute to the best of their ability. I will even grant you that the organization has had problems in the past; mostly due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying is that times have changed and the organization has as well.

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to
> believe me, let the NG say it.
>
> http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
> 4th paragraph.
>
> I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks
> who volunteer and contribute to the best of their
> ability. I will even grant you that the
> organization has had problems in the past; mostly
> due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying
> is that times have changed and the organization
> has as well.



No, people that "volunteer and contribute to the best of their ability" are part of the Red Cross. The Virginia Defense Force is for people that can't handle or be qualified for the National Guard, and they end up being a fifth wheel with the "mission support" they seemingly provide. The VDF gets roughly $200k in funding every year from the state. That money could go to something worthwhile, like equipment purchases for state agencies or funding for training actual National Guardsman.

As part of my job I work at a local armory from time to time. When the real NG guys hear that the VDF is going to have a weekend event at the armory they make sure to stay away. They say that the VDF people are a bunch of useless jock sniffers. VDF people remind me of volunteer fireman who are desperate for attention because their parents gave them little or no attention when they were young. I think the VDF does provide a little service for the public but I would never want to hang out with a VDF member as they all have mental issues.

VDF people remind me of volunteer fireman who are desperate for attention


You remind me of an asshole who works in an "armory," who is desperate for attention

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.


The VDF is ready to kick some serious ass! lol!
Attachments:

Actually the VDF has Armories and can be armed under direction from the Governer. The VDF does not train armed as a whole, but VDF personnel are premitted to train on their own with firarms.

^
Firearms*........lol.

I realize fully that I am just stepping back into the troll den, but I wanted to reply to VDF MP and state that NO, categorically, your statement "Actually the VDF has Armories and can be armed under direction from the Governer." is mostly wrong. We do NOT have armories, we use VNG Armories as training locations except for Waller Depot in Richmond, which we share with some Federal Organizations. And with the emphasis on moving to a Civic Support organization, there is zero, nada, zip chance of the Gov. ever authorizing the VDF to be armed. I would be one of the first to quit if they were.

And, in support of my previous statement concerning our tasking to provide communications for the NG, please at least read the below link before slamming me again. I realize the organization was in many ways a joke in the past, but things are changing. This is a Va NG website:

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/27/2567/

Just witnessed you guys at the chantilly gun show ( sorry looking bunch to say the least). Has anyone ever spit in your face for being a pretend Soldier? Kinda weird you guys give yourself ranks when real Soldiers are getting thier legs blown off. You guys should ditch the cammo and a few pounds.

yo
Attachments:

Just a question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just witnessed you guys at the chantilly gun show
> ( sorry looking bunch to say the least). Has
> anyone ever spit in your face for being a pretend
> Soldier? Kinda weird you guys give yourself ranks
> when real Soldiers are getting thier legs blown
> off. You guys should ditch the cammo and a few
> pounds.


You hate them because they're not in Fairfax celebrating diversity with you, hating their lives like you do, and being a phony, like you.

BEH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yo





HA
Attachments:

Hey, if ya wanna turn this into a thread posting pics of hot girls in Spetnaz uniform (pieces), I'm down with that...

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to
> believe me, let the NG say it.
>
> http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
> 4th paragraph.
>
> I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks
> who volunteer and contribute to the best of their
> ability. I will even grant you that the
> organization has had problems in the past; mostly
> due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying
> is that times have changed and the organization
> has as well.


I you are going to volunteer and contribute you should volunteer for an organization that actually does something for the community. The VDF is just a bunch of losers who need some sort of attention.

VA Defense Force is currently recruiting for the "Black Ponies." I can't believe the level of disrespect I am hearing from everyone here about the VA Defense Force. Sure some of our battle buddies have their parents drive them to drill and some of us may get in hissy fits with one another but at the end of the day we are a team. We are definitely a force to be reckoned with. You wouldn't believe how many women drop like flies when I walk into a bar and tell them I am part of the black ponies. Our standards are some of the highest, our boot camp is not for the weak it separates the tiny hearts from the big ones if you know what I mean. Some of our members might be out of shape but I guarantee they will out PT you in any event! I really think the citizens of VA should start recognizing the service we provide for the state and the community. I also think we deserve the same benefits that the NG and the military receives such as commissary and PX privileges.
Attachments:

Yeah right, black ponies? WTF? There used to be some tall wannabe at GMU who had a black pony tattoo on his forearm. We would laugh at him cause ge would call himself a soldier with ZERO active duty service. What a poser! Probably a queer who enjoyed that punjabi punanni! He had all thses stories about training with compasses, telling time by looking at the sun, and all these black ops types of drills. See I am a redneck, and wouldnt even join the ranks of these false posers.

Say NO to the VDF. They a fake militia.

This not CERT. These people come to CERT.

CERT in the HOUSE! CERT kick ass and LIFT Buildings!

Duct Tape...CERT got it! Wow, kazoom! Don't wanna VFD, want CERT!

Why make fun of me? That not nice.

I am amazed at just how long this has been open. Holy stones, Batman! I see nothing wrong with this organization. Yes, it has it's faults. But, really. Some people have other reasons to participate than, "playing dress up," or "playing soldier." I am participating while I make my final decision on Army, National Guard, or Reserves. I also have the discipline of a cat and would have my ass handed to me if I had to go through BCT at the moment.

My boyfriend is a US Soldier and he is my biggest supporter. He and I go hand-to-hand sometimes so I can train further. His buddies support my decision also. I have family in Virginia National Guard, who talked highly of VaDF before they knew I was a part of it.

I know I am not the only VaDF member in VaDF who is doing it while making decisions, or waiting for BCT/Boot. I'm just giving another perspective on the group. Love me, hate me, I couldn't care less.

Respectfully,
-P

Is this shit for real? Fucking LOL.

Should be called the Virginia Special Defense Force.

404ed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is this shit for real? Fucking LOL.
>
> Should be called the Virginia Special Defense
> Force.

Boy scouts who never grew up.
Attachments:

VDF- every time I hear the name it puts a big smile on my face. Who ever made the pic " I want you" above gets +100 points. LMFAO. Please people more photowshop pics

Ultimately my question here is does the real military have do render these clowns the same customs and courtousies? I would have a real issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use that term loosly.

Tokyo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ultimately my question here is does the real
> military have do render these clowns the same
> customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at
> parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the
> fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use
> that term loosly.


If I am in uniform you are required to salute me.

Tokyo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ultimately my question here is does the real
> military have do render these clowns the same
> customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at
> parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the
> fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use that term loosly.



same with your spelling

VDF officer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tokyo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ultimately my question here is does the real
> > military have do render these clowns the same
> > customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> > issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand
> at
> > parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> > pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by
> the
> > fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I
> use
> > that term loosly.
>
>
> If I am in uniform you are required to salute me.




If you don't have a commission, there is no requirement to salute. You are a pseudo-officer. Saluting you would be like saluting a Securitas or Allied Barton guard at a lobby desk.

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."


LOLZ... I wonder who that might be?

yikes! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tokyo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ultimately my question here is does the real
> > military have do render these clowns the
> same
> > customs and courtousies? I would have a
> real
> > issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand
> at
> > parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> > pretty much earned his rank by saving up to
> by the
> > fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and
> I use that term loosly.
>
>
>
> same with your spelling
Attachments:

§ 44-98. Interference with employment of members of Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia.

A person, who either by himself, or with another, deprives a member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force or naval militia of his employment or prevents, by himself or another, such member being employed, or obstructs or annoys such member or his employer at his trade, business or employment, because such member of such organization is such member, dissuades any person from enlistment in the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force or naval militia by threat or injury to him in his employment, trade or business, in case he shall so enlist, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be fined in a sum not exceeding $500, or imprisonment in jail not more than 30 days, or shall suffer both fine and imprisonment.

(1930, p. 967; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(83); 1958, c. 393; 1984, c. 765; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)


§ 44-93.4. Discrimination against persons who serve in the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia; and acts of reprisal prohibited.

A. A member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia who performs, has performed, applies to perform, or has an obligation to perform state active duty or military duty pursuant to Title 32 of the United States Code shall not be denied initial employment, reemployment, retention in employment, promotion, or any benefit of employment by an employer on the basis of that membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation.

B. A person shall be considered to have denied a member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia initial employment, reemployment, retention in employment, promotion, or a benefit of employment in violation of this section if the member's membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation for service is a motivating factor in that person's action, unless the person can prove by the greater weight of the evidence that the same unfavorable action would have taken place in the absence of the member's membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation for service.



§ 44-83. Pay and allowance of officers and enlisted persons.

When called into active state duty, not in the service of the United States, officers of the National Guard shall receive the same pay and allowances as prescribed for officers of like rank in the United States armed forces. For each day of such service, enlisted persons of the National Guard shall receive the same pay, rations, and allowances as enlisted persons of like grade of the United States armed forces. For each day of service, members of the Virginia Defense Force called to state active duty shall receive the same pay, rations, and allowances as persons of like grade in the United States Armed Forces. When rations are not issued, the value of the same shall be commuted and paid by the Adjutant General.

(1930, p. 964; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(69); 1958, c. 393; 1988, c. 352; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)


§ 18.2-488.1. Flag at half mast for certain public safety personnel killed in the line of duty.

A. As used in this section, unless the context requires a different meaning:

"Emergency medical services provider" means the same as that term is defined in § 32.1-111.1, and any member of a volunteer lifesaving crew or rescue squad.

"Firefighter" means the same as that term is defined in § 9.1-300, and any member of a volunteer fire department.

"Police officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office which is a part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof and who is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic, or highway laws of the Commonwealth.

"Service member" means a member of the United States armed forces, Virginia National Guard, or Virginia Defense Force.

B. Whenever a service member, police officer, firefighter, or emergency medical services provider who is a resident of Virginia is killed in the line of duty, all flags, state and local, flown at any building owned and operated by the Commonwealth shall be flown at half staff or mast for one day to honor and acknowledge respect for those who made the supreme sacrifice.

C. The Department of General Services shall develop procedures to effectuate the purposes of this section.

(2012, c. 767.)



§ 9.1-801. Public safety officer defined.

As used in this chapter, the term "public safety officer" includes a law-enforcement officer of this Commonwealth or any of its political subdivisions; a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1; a correctional officer employed at a juvenile correctional facility as the term is defined in § 66-25.3; a jail officer; a regional jail or jail farm superintendent; a member of any fire company or department or rescue squad that has been recognized by an ordinance or resolution of the governing body of any county, city or town of this Commonwealth as an integral part of the official safety program of such county, city or town; an arson investigator; a member of the Virginia National Guard or the Virginia Defense Force while such a member is serving in the Virginia National Guard or the Virginia Defense Force on official state duty or federal duty under Title 32 of the United States Code; any special agent of the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board; any police agent appointed under the provisions of § 56-353; any regular or special conservation police officer who receives compensation from a county, city or town or from the Commonwealth appointed pursuant to § 29.1-200; any commissioned forest warden appointed pursuant to § 10.1-1135; any member or employee of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission granted the power to arrest pursuant to § 28.2-900; any Department of Emergency Management hazardous materials officer; any nonfirefighter regional hazardous materials emergency response team member; any investigator who is a full-time sworn member of the security division of the State Lottery Department; any full-time sworn member of the enforcement division of the Department of Motor Vehicles meeting the Department of Criminal Justice Services qualifications, when fulfilling duties pursuant to § 46.2-217; any campus police officer appointed under the provisions of Chapter 17 (§ 23-232 et seq.) of Title 23; and any conservation officer of the Department of Conservation and Recreation commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115.

(2002, c. 150; 2007, c. 87; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)

§ 44-97. Exemption from arrest.

No person belonging to the Virginia National Guard, Virginia State Defense Force or the naval militia shall be arrested on any process issued by or from any civil officer or court, except in cases of felony or breach of the peace, while going to, remaining at or returning from any place at which he may be required to attend for military duty; nor in any case whatsoever while actually engaged in the performance of his military duties, except with the consent of his commanding officer.

(1930, p. 966; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(82); 1984, c. 765.)

Was there a point to all that copypasta? You know, Virginia also has laws for CERTs, it doesn't mean they aren't a bunch of old men with walkie talkies and reflector vests.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2013 12:11AM by eesh.

Hey man I real soldier.
Attachments:

Ty9xY Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating,
> a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a
> reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We
> had one guy walking around thinking he was a
> reincarnation of Patton."

Love to have pics or more info on this statement

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/state-defense-forces-grow-project-new-image-85899393830



After several states reinstituted their defense forces in the late 1980s and early '90s, several media reports detailed some members' paramilitary activities and connections with extremists.


In 1990, the Virginia General Assembly launched an investigation of its state defense force on reports that "a brigade was saving money to buy a tank and other units were practicing ad hoc drug raids," according to a 1991 article in The Nation.

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."

But the problem was mostly lack of oversight, Keating explained: "Nobody had come down and given them a good explanation of what they should be about."

I can confirm this as well. I was there. VDF commo teams were the main communication link. They are actually quite good at disaster management.

Where was VDF last week when the Richmond airport had the bomb threat?

The vast majority of VDF members are squared away. There are a few who could use some serious PT, but don't judge the entire force because of a very few.

Before you judge you should educate yourselves. The primary job of the VDF is to assist the National Guard and state in times of emergency and crisis. VDF members saved three lives during last years hurricane, risking their own lives to do it. The majority of members are former military, not rejects. Many have been forced to retire after 25 or 30 years and they are only in their mid to late fourties - with a lot left to contribute.

All in all they are an outstanding volunteer organization.

i thought it was the national guard. how long ago did they change it?

well milita is any group of citizens legal protecting themselves from theives

i think i'm too old to join or i might (i'm not family - they'd probalby say no anyway)

!!! I see they're welcoming the enemy to control our nat. guard stations.

idiots. probably got free house work for it or a cry story about fairness

This really exists?

Army Man Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This really exists?


They really do exist.

.
Attachments:

James Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The vast majority of VDF members are squared away.
> There are a few who could use some serious PT, but
> don't judge the entire force because of a very
> few.
>
> Before you judge you should educate yourselves.
> The primary job of the VDF is to assist the
> National Guard and state in times of emergency and
> crisis. VDF members saved three lives during last
> years hurricane, risking their own lives to do it.
> The majority of members are former military, not
> rejects. Many have been forced to retire after 25
> or 30 years and they are only in their mid to late
> fourties - with a lot left to contribute.
>
> All in all they are an outstanding volunteer
> organization.


I'm sorry but they are old fools that do nothing but leave a huge mess in the armory after they get their weekend there. They open up half the MRE's and just take the skittles out of them and throw the rest of the MRE back in the box.

Maybe a U.S. Marine who is a disabled veteran who served Honorably and has since had several screws in his spine and is now disqualified from further military service and still wants to contribute should feel like a reject if he shows interest or joins the Virginia Defense Force. P.S. And is still fit and well within the weight standards.

That Marine shouldn't take anything said on this forum seriously. 99% of the posters here couldn't make the cut with the VDF on their best day.

That Marine should compare what he and the VDF have to offer one another and see if they would benefit mutually.

Vexxxed Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> That Marine shouldn't take anything said on this
> forum seriously. 99% of the posters here couldn't
> make the cut with the VDF on their best day.
>
> That Marine should compare what he and the VDF
> have to offer one another and see if they would
> benefit mutually.



Vexxxed, are you bipolar? The reason I ask is that I can literally chart your up and down moody posts. It's not simply having a bad day and coming here to vent, it's like every other day you are surly and lash out at people, act impulsively, and try to bring everyone down.

Are you well?

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vexxxed, are you bipolar? The reason I ask is that
> I can literally chart your up and down moody
> posts. It's not simply having a bad day and coming
> here to vent, it's like every other day you are
> surly and lash out at people, act impulsively, and
> try to bring everyone down.
>
> Are you well?

Oh Michael, you really DO care!

Aren't you just the sweetest thing worrying your curly little head about me?

Fag.

Vexxxed,

If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me. I keep everything confidential with Eesh-Client Privilege.

I served in the United States Marine Corps. I volunteer in a local Volunteer Rescue Squad for the last 16 years. As a VDF volunteer I held the rank of E-6 Staff Sgt. Battalion Medical SNCOIC. I also have trained some of Virginia's finest men and women in the VaNG in combat medicine. I am proud to have served in the Virginia Defense Force. So unless you serve, or have served you have no idea of what you are talking about. So my suggestion to those who like to "bash" people for volunteering is. Volunteer in something. Like your local Rescue Company, or local Fire Company. See if you have the balls to run into a burning building to save a complete strangers life.

.
Attachments:

VaVol Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I served in the United States Marine Corps. I
> volunteer in a local Volunteer Rescue Squad for
> the last 16 years. As a VDF volunteer I held the
> rank of E-6 Staff Sgt. Battalion Medical SNCOIC.
> I also have trained some of Virginia's finest men
> and women in the VaNG in combat medicine. I am
> proud to have served in the Virginia Defense
> Force. So unless you serve, or have served you
> have no idea of what you are talking about. So my
> suggestion to those who like to "bash" people for
> volunteering is. Volunteer in something. Like your
> local Rescue Company, or local Fire Company. See
> if you have the balls to run into a burning
> building to save a complete strangers life.

Lunatic Delegate Mark Cole wants VDF members to have their cars exempt from car tax.

As we all know on FU, the VDF is little more than a state-subsidized play program for people that want to pretend army-

Tell Mark Cole that VDF members should pay car tax- LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

Delegate Mark Cole
P. O. Box 41965
Fredericksburg, VA 22404
(540) 786-3402
Delegate@MarkLCole.com

See proposed legislation at:
http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2014/hb44/fulltext/

...

This is quite possibly the worst bill I've seen in a while- and by the way, if it passes, I'm joining the VDF to stop paying tax on my truck- see ya later-

Teddy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is quite possibly the worst bill I've seen in
> a while- and by the way, if it passes, I'm joining
> the VDF to stop paying tax on my truck- see ya
> later-




It's probably the ulterior motive behind this anyway....to boost the recruitment numbers of the VDF. They've been trying to recruit 1000 members total for years now.

Do not think that they will be able to offer any help when the shit hits the fan.

ahh who didn't kno communist biggest fan of VDF. me very nice love you long time if u let me in the VDF

----------------------
who didn't know illegals are trying get in adn get whites out of the VDF ??

it will be all tan in no time once the remaining force gets old or dies in tragic but actaully planned accidents

------------------------
pay will then be tripled. they will start training how to put down protests instead of how to protect borders and respond to emergencies

------------------------
for a model of exactly how to do this ... see: FCPS

guess who's protesting. illegals dissatisfied with lack of charity ? gov workers who get paid less than jiffy lube employees ?

no. denizens who don't work in gov. and the illegals will outnumber them and be in gov since they vote democrat in solidarity. have all 3x maint jobs.

that is how eurasia parliament works friends

legal there maybe (actually no if you read their new constitutions).

not legal here.

ujWJX Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> guess who's protesting. illegals dissatisfied
> with lack of charity ? gov workers who get paid
> less than jiffy lube employees ?
>
> no. denizens who don't work in gov. and the
> illegals will outnumber them and be in gov since
> they vote democrat in solidarity. have all 3x
> maint jobs.
>
> that is how eurasia parliament works friends
>
> legal there maybe (actually no if you read their
> new constitutions).
>
> not legal here.

Huh?

Their Facebook page hasn't been updated in three years....

Their Web page is outdated as well

Screw all of you haters. The VDF works real hard for the people inside the boundaries of the commonwealth of Virginia it protects. 100% dedication, sweat, blood and tears goes into the training and what is formed is a dedicated individual willing to serve his country. When SHTF you cry baby basement dwelling faggots will be cheering for the VDF when the squads come rolling into town to provide disaster relief, set up coms, disperse food, protect life and property and provide medical treatment. Hate all you want but you civilians will be begging to see the VDF if anything goes down. Show some respect A-holes.

THINK THE VDF DONT DO ANYTHING? WATCH THE VIDEOS AND EAT YOUR WORDS JERK OFFS!!


This is the sound of war-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQGCO5jpbY

Motivational recruitment video. D company hoorah!-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-YmnFYUoI8

To protect and serve-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neES7l33hRU

You interbnet warrior clowns wish you had what it takes to be in the VDF. Move along only proud serving individuals here to see.

Does the VDF constitute as community service? I have 100 court ordered hours for a possession charge.

I was in the VDF for almost twenty years and it came down to being issued a riot baton and a helment to use for crowd control.This gear is kind of useless against an armed mob,don't you think.

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2014/04/10/5156/


More than 160 members of the Virginia Defense Force gathered at Fort Pickett March 29-30, 2014, for a division-directed unit training assembly. Among the activities on the schedule were initial entry training for new members of the VDF, state managed shelter logistics training, an instructor development course, a meeting of operations staffs, and a senior leaders meeting with Maj. Gen. John D. Taylor, the commander of the VDF.
Attachments:

Maj. Gen. John D. Taylor, the commander of the Virginia Defense Force, meets with senior leaders of the VDF March 29, 2014, at Fort Pickett. In addition to the senior leaders meeting, more than 160 VDF personnel gathered March 29-30 at Fort Pickett for initial entry training, an instructor development course, a meeting of operations staffs, and state managed shelter logistics training.
Attachments:

Members of the Virginia Defense Force conduct training on state managed shelter logistics March 29, 2014, at Fort Pickett.
Attachments:

Hard core!

I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested in joining the VDF. I'm currently attending business school at Old Dominion University, which I will be graduating with a bachelor's degree in Marketing this time next year. I have questions about the commisssioning process. Could a current VDF member provide me some contact information for someone who can answer my questions?

Thanks for the help.

Interested in Joining Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested in
> joining the VDF. I'm currently attending business
> school at Old Dominion University, which I will be
> graduating with a bachelor's degree in Marketing
> this time next year. I have questions about the
> commisssioning process. Could a current VDF
> member provide me some contact information for
> someone who can answer my questions?
>
> Thanks for the help.




Assuming this isn't a troll post, why don't you go National Guard? At least you will be paid....

You only need 90 credits to get commissioned in the Guard, and you have until 0-3 to complete your degree.

eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interested in Joining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested
> in
> > joining the VDF. I'm currently attending
> business
> > school at Old Dominion University, which I will
> be
> > graduating with a bachelor's degree in
> Marketing
> > this time next year. I have questions about
> the
> > commisssioning process. Could a current VDF
> > member provide me some contact information for
> > someone who can answer my questions?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
>
> Assuming this isn't a troll post, why don't you go
> National Guard? At least you will be paid....
>
> You only need 90 credits to get commissioned in
> the Guard, and you have until 0-3 to complete your
> degree.

I've already done my time active duty and I have no desire for my life to be interrupted for 12 months for overseas deployments.

My interest in joining has nothing to do with money. I live comfortable with my current situation. I miss the comaraderie and the organization of the Marine Corps, but I don't want the hassles either. Deployment within the state of VA is fine with me. There's not a single place in VA that is more than a 6 or 7 hour drive from home.

Yes,they are around and the Virginia Defense Force has a deep History in Virginia that goes back to the 1600s. And have been involved in many battles. The train at Fort Pickett. And local Armories.Cue sticks, funny:)

Its the common sense factor. I have been in riots shield and baton. With exception of the Watts riots. There have never been shots fired. And helmets have saved me A many of times. And I hope your not the guy that would respond to shots fired!! With a helmet and baton??

++
Attachments:

Members of the Virginia Defense Force operate traffic control points and provide mission command support May 2, 2014, at the Apple Blossom Festival in Winchester, Va. More than 120 members of the all-volunteer VDF from units across the state augmented local law enforcement May 1-3 to help ensure traffic flow for an event that is expected to bring tens of thousands of visitors to the Winchester area. The VDF also took advantage of the mission to train on multiple communication systems and to educate local citizens about their mission and possibly recruit new members.
Attachments:

What about cover discipline?The Drill floor is the same as being outside.

I'm concerned that they put that much planning into volunteer traffic control. Does guiding cars on where to be parked required a mobile command center, Panasonic Toughbooks, and ancient hand held radios?

VDF members use to be deputized for this event.As far as the bling,it is for show.

Where CERT? I bets CERT look good in uniform!

He in picture anywhere?

Have you tried drawing it in crayon?

Vet Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have you tried drawing it in crayon?





Who are you talking to?

Blessed are the murderous.

The Virginia Defense Force looks downright elite compared to Illinois militias.



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/tim-mcnabb/well-regulated-militia/#more-328860


-
Attachments:

Where CERT? I bets CERT look good in uniform!

He in picture anywhere?



POW! ERPERP FZZZLE! CERT no wear UNIFORM. Just fu fu fu DUCK tape to protect JOHNSON when go into building PULL peoples OUT! CERT like to hep folks. NO MEDALS!

CERT rocks!

Is it a requirement that everyone be a cynical a**hole these days? I just moved to VA, 8 years regular army & 15 years government service with DOD. I am also a single dad, guardian of an autistic adult child and am 45. If I volunteer for anything it would have to be the VDF as obviously I can't just mobilize with the guard and deploy for 6 months. But the nasty string of negative comments here remind me that most of you would be better off left to fend for yourselves if disaster strikes. Maybe I won't apply and use my past skills for the state if it means being ridiculed by the back seat drivers of society!

DO NOT EVEN THINK OF FUCKING WITH US. Some are at attention, some are at ease and the rest don't give a shit!

RPB Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is it a requirement that everyone be a cynical
> a**hole these days? I just moved to VA, 8 years
> regular army & 15 years government service with
> DOD. I am also a single dad, guardian of an
> autistic adult child and am 45. If I volunteer for
> anything it would have to be the VDF as obviously
> I can't just mobilize with the guard and deploy
> for 6 months. But the nasty string of negative
> comments here remind me that most of you would be
> better off left to fend for yourselves if disaster
> strikes. Maybe I won't apply and use my past
> skills for the state if it means being ridiculed
> by the back seat drivers of society!




If there's a statewide emergency in Virginia, state level police agencies and the Virginia National Guard will protect the state. What won't be doing any good is the Virginia Defense Force.

Blessed are the murderous.

Dude, maybe he doesn't want to join the frickin guard! Maybe he wants to actually serve in the state he lives in. Maybe, while being on active service he saw the guard in Iraq and wondered how those people were allowed to be on active duty. Maybe he sees the VDF as a way to ensure someone is left in the state while the federal government uses and abuses the NG because the regulars continue to get cut. I was a regular by the way, and we used to laugh at the guard guys. Now that I am older and wiser I realize what a total dick I was. I no longer mock those who serve. You will get there too eeesh....one day. And get off the drugs before your NCOIC finds out and has you kicked out.

Guardsman Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dude, maybe he doesn't want to join the frickin
> guard! Maybe he wants to actually serve in the
> state he lives in.



If you serve in the National Guard, you serve the state; your governor is your commander in chief. Yes, you can get Title 10 orders, but that's a different conversation.

Blessed are the murderous.