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Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 18, 2010 09:08PM

I'm not even sure how I happened upon this group- about a week ago I was looking through the virginia.gov site and I found this-

Virginia has a kind of citizens militia group that is not connected to the larger military at all- they're all volunteers and can join or quit at any time. Ostensibly they were formed to look after Virginia National Guard bases while the troops were deployed, but now that we have a professional military (and by that I mean not drafted) that job is redundant . . .

So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military VA gun nuts running around and training (on the weekends) for the opportunity to become a real militia . .

Here they are doing "riot training" with pool noodles wrapped in duct tape :-)



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 19, 2010 01:15AM

curious Wrote:
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> So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military
> VA gun nuts running around and training (on the
> weekends) for the opportunity to become a real
> militia . .

As far as I know, they are unarmed and answer to the governor. Basically glorified boy scouts.

THe real psudo-military gun nuts you have to worry about wear badges and occasionally shoot unarmed optometrists.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wally Cox ()
Date: December 19, 2010 06:29AM

I met a couple of these guys about three years ago and thought they
were both insecure types who were looking for an identity. One explained
to me that one of their possible duties was to direct traffic in times
of emergency such as an evacuation of the DC area. (as in if the "dirty bomb"
goes off) They also struck me as the stereotype "wannabe" cop or soldier
but for some reason couldn't make the grade. (I noticed one woman in
the video who was just too fat to function) After looking at a couple of
the other YouTubes on this group it seems they may have a useful function
such as search and rescue. I don't perceive them as anything to worry
about and they're essentially harmless unless fully lubricated with
alcohol. When I spoke with the members about the traffic thing, I told
him that I have my own evacuation plan and would not follow their orders
in times of emergency and would go as I pleased, not as I'm directed. I
also threw in that I would be heavily armed myself and would refuse to
surrender my guns under any circumstances. He really didn't respond to
me on that one and I suspect he was in touch with his "wuss-factor" well
enough to know that I meant what I said. Here's another short video
that explains more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNlTXxDZF50&feature=related

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 19, 2010 05:20PM

"I don't perceive them as anything to worry
about and they're essentially harmless unless fully lubricated with
alcohol."

Haha, could be said about many people . . .

Yea they are officially unarmed, but I'm sure that's just on the job-

"They also struck me as the stereotype "wannabe" cop or soldier
but for some reason couldn't make the grade. (I noticed one woman in
the video who was just too fat to function)"

That's kinda sad, I think a real group of normal Virginia citizens could be a great VDF group, but it always seems like these things tend to attract freaks-

I'd love to play around with a boat or go up in a small airplane for the state of Virginia!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wally Cox ()
Date: December 19, 2010 06:08PM

curious Wrote:
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>
> That's kinda sad, I think a real group of normal
> Virginia citizens could be a great VDF group, but
> it always seems like these things tend to attract
> freaks-

Would you please define "normal"? If I look around at the local
Home Owners Association members I don't see many that I'd want
on my flanks in a firefight. I once belonged a a Neighborhood
Watch group in Arlington and it turned into a constant squabble
over bullshit issues. One woman got so angry and verbally abusive
at a meeting she had to be ordered to leave. She refused and
declared herself President of the group and told us she would
sue us all in court if we didn't recognize her. End of group.


>
> I'd love to play around with a boat or go up in a
> small airplane for the state of Virginia!

If you join up I'm sure they'd let you. The vid says they only get a few
dollars for fuel on authorized training exercises. I'm sure they'd welcome
your contributions.:)

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 19, 2010 06:11PM

There is absolutely no reason to join. You don't get paid like you do in the Guard, and you have to buy your own uniforms.


The only reason someone would join is if they were National Guard rejects and they wanted to play soldier on the weekends.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wally Cox ()
Date: December 19, 2010 07:09PM

eesh Wrote:
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> There is absolutely no reason to join. You don't
> get paid like you do in the Guard, and you have to
> buy your own uniforms.
>
>
> The only reason someone would join is if they were
> National Guard rejects and they wanted to play
> soldier on the weekends.


I don't see anything bad about belonging to the VDF, especially in the
search and rescue function. They could be sitting in a bar watching
the tube and getting sloshed but it's their choice. I joined a search
for a lost child several years ago and the stereotype who showed up was
a "good ole boy" in camo hunting gear, a pickup truck, and a hound dog. I noticed there were no BMW driving yuppies around. Some more "official" help would have been nice. BTW, the kid was found safe and sound sleeping in a
neighbors barn.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 19, 2010 07:42PM

Dear Wally Cox,
I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune-

"Would you please define "normal"? If I look around at the local
Home Owners Association members I don't see many that I'd want
on my flanks in a firefight. I once belonged a a Neighborhood
Watch group in Arlington and it turned into a constant squabble
over bullshit issues. One woman got so angry and verbally abusive
at a meeting she had to be ordered to leave. She refused and
declared herself President of the group and told us she would
sue us all in court if we didn't recognize her. End of group."

Groups tend to do that- why, I really don't know.

As for "on your flanks in a firefight"– don't worry, I am a good shot. I'll try to help out the best I can.

"I noticed there were no BMW driving yuppies around." – They don't tend to help people much do they . . .

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ten Hut! ()
Date: December 19, 2010 07:50PM

Major General John D. Taylor - Commanding General Virginia Defense Force..

http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.jpg

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Bill N ()
Date: December 19, 2010 08:59PM

Did I know about the Virginia Defense Force? Yes. First heard of it in the late 1970s from a friend-Vietnam Vet. In the late 1980s they had some recruiting lit in my bank.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 20, 2010 01:18PM

Why are people involved in these groups always fat and out of shape? A bunch of teens with tire irons would make quick work of these morons.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 01:44PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Why are people involved in these groups always fat
> and out of shape? A bunch of teens with tire irons
> would make quick work of these morons.






That describes most National Guards. I worked with some of them on Fort Belvoir, lazy fuckers.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: December 20, 2010 01:57PM



LOL

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 20, 2010 02:34PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:05PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.
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> LOL
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:06PM

Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia Defense Force.





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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:07PM

Wow. Just, wow.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 20, 2010 03:09PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia
> Defense Force.
>
>
>
>
>
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I sleep better at night knowing these people are armed and protecting my family from incursions of "reparations" seekers.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:13PM

The guy on the right...Hahaha his BDU top is so long that it covers its hands.

And Sally Struthers in the middle.

Egad.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 03:16PM

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15520



In 1990, the Virginia General Assembly launched an investigation of its state defense force on reports that "a brigade was saving money to buy a tank and other units were practicing ad hoc drug raids," according to a 1991 article in The Nation.

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."

But the problem was mostly lack of oversight, Keating explained: "Nobody had come down and given them a good explanation of what they should be about."


Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 20, 2010 04:07PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia Defense Force.

What the hell do these people defend, an all-you-can-eat buffet table?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 04:43PM

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Blessed are the murderous.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Josey Wales ()
Date: December 20, 2010 05:23PM

One more
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 20, 2010 05:29PM



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 20, 2010 10:15PM

They look like a Civil Air Patrol wannabe organization.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 20, 2010 11:48PM

tomahawk Wrote:
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> They look like a Civil Air Patrol wannabe
> organization.





Yeah, at least the Civil Air Patrol has a real purpose and mission. This Virginia Defense Force is the auxiliary to the National Guard. WTF is that supposed to be?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Elle Diabla ()
Date: December 21, 2010 12:25AM

Trailer Park rejects

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: naM = ellE ()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:26AM

tcejeR namoW = albaiD ellE

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 09:32AM

file.php?40,file=27115,filename=DSC_0046

This chick looks like she should be shoveling out mashed potatoes in the Gar-Field High School cafeteria.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:36AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> >
> > Yeah, this pic pretty much sums up the Virginia
> Defense Force.
>
> What the hell do these people defend, an
> all-you-can-eat buffet table?


They're part of the military's "14th and I" contingency plan. They're only called up when the invading force has made it to 14th and I Streets downtown.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 21, 2010 09:55AM

They surround enemy troops and make them feel like they're in a bingo hall.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: December 21, 2010 10:00AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> They surround enemy troops and make them feel like
> they're in a bingo hall.


That has to be against the Geneva Convention on some level.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 10:12AM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
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> > They surround enemy troops and make them feel
> like
> > they're in a bingo hall.
>
>
> That has to be against the Geneva Convention on
> some level.


I guarantee you this gal would water-board the shit out of someone if given the chance...

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: December 21, 2010 10:16AM

I bet she is a marksman with that pool noodle.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 10:22AM

WashingTone-DEAF-Locian wrote :
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> "I guarantee you this gal would water-board the shit out of
> someone if given the chance..."

I GUESS IT COULD BE WORSE.
SHE COULD BE A LIBERAL NEO-COMMUNIST DEMOCRAT THAT TRIED SHOVING
A PIECE OF SHIT HEALTHCARE PLAN DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MirrorMirrorOnTheWall ()
Date: December 21, 2010 10:27AM

They seem to have more purpose in life than those who spend most of their time on message boards criticizing others.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 10:34AM

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
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> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.


Yes. Preparing for riots that a) will never happen and b) if they ever do, these people won't be called upon to do shit about them.

Good use of time.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 21, 2010 10:35AM

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
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> They seem to have more purpose in life

Do you belong to The Defenders of the Virginia Defense Force?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 10:53AM

TheMeeper = WashingTone-Locian = Stoopid Negger = Complete LOSER

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 21, 2010 12:47PM

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
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> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.





No, not really. If these people wanted to join the military but didn't want full time commitment, they could have gone in the Reserves or National Guard, it's not that hard.


Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the real military is the same concept as someone that wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a night shift security guard in an empty office building.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 21, 2010 12:50PM

"Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the real military is the same concept as someone that wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a night shift security guard in an empty office building."

Haha, very true-

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 12:54PM

curious Wrote:
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> "Someone joining the VA Defense Force over the
> real military is the same concept as someone that
> wanted to be a police officer but ended up as a
> night shift security guard in an empty office
> building."
>
> Haha, very true-


It's for people who want to pretend like they are in the military without going through any of the hard stuff...like real training.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 12:57PM

In a real domestic situation that would require the involvement of the National Guard, the last thing the Guard commanders would want to contend with is a bunch of poorly trained, poorly equipped and clueless civilians pretending to be the military in the midst of a crisis. The Guard would have enough problems on its hand without a bunch of well-intentioned but stupid "Barney Fifes" running around.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:00PM

MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
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> They seem to have more purpose in life than those
> who spend most of their time on message boards
> criticizing others.

Like you just did?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MirrorMirrorOnTheWall ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:07PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> MirrorMirrorOnTheWall Wrote:
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> >
> > They seem to have more purpose in life
>
> Do you belong to The Defenders of the Virginia
> Defense Force?

No and I really wouldn't consider joining. I just don't find them offensive.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:09PM

This might be the start of the VDF backlash!
Call your senator and delegate!
Then its off to the house of House of Burgesses with pitchforks and torches!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:10PM

As far as defending Virginia and crisis management, the VDF is only about 1000 people strong. That's really not much to cover the size of our state.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 21, 2010 01:14PM

Ever vigilant...

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Atlas ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:16PM

eesh Wrote:
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> As far as defending Virginia and crisis
> management, the VDF is only about 1000 people
> strong. That's really not much to cover the size
> of our state.


It's really not enough to cover the size of your ass!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 21, 2010 01:17PM

Their ranks are a joke too, there is no reason for a Major General to be in command of only 1000 soldiers. In the real military, a Lieutenant Colonel or at most a Colonel would be in charge of a group this small.



Looking at their pics, it's full of majors and above, on the enlisted side it is full of First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors. It looks like they hand rank out like candy.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 12:45PM

Once again a lack of research leads to vigorous stupidity.

The Virginia Defense Force falls under the 2nd Amendments "well regulated militia" clause and is within the state's constitution. Given the federalization of the National Guard, it remains one of the only resources available soley to the Governor. When military budgets were slashed in the 1990's to create our mythical balanced budget, that decision put Reserve Units and State National Guards into a new role. The previous model had these uniformed resources replacing active duty personnel stateside; two wars and a full combat role depletes their ability to perform the stated mission. This has hit the National Guard hardest and makes state militia's like the VDF essential during local emergencies.

The recent weather event in Tidewater serves as an example of a typical deployment. VDF personnel augmented the National Guard and state law enforcement in dealing with transportation and logistical challenges 8" of snow created for the area.

All of the members are volunteers, fully trained for their limited role, prohibited from carrying weapons, about 30% are prior military and law enforcement (retired and currently serving), and are just looking for avenues to serve. I would think people giving back to their state and community out of pocket would be welcomed in this culture of entitlement.

Next time get it right before you engage in flights of fancy. Perhaps a debate on the federalization of the National Guard would be a great place to start.

Former Coast Guard Officer and VDF member.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wahhh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 12:53PM

in that video, the overweight chick to the right around 1:38 looks alot like the WoW karate gal.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 28, 2010 04:57PM

I'm curious,

"The recent weather event in Tidewater serves as an example of a typical deployment. VDF personnel augmented the National Guard and state law enforcement in dealing with transportation and logistical challenges 8" of snow created for the area."

What, exactly, did the VDF do in order to assist the citizens of the tidewater region with their 8'' of snow?

Also: "vigorous stupidity" is the unofficial motto of fairfaxunderground.com

In latin: Strenua Stultitia (Perhaps someone could give me a better translation)



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 05:35PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> All of the members are volunteers, fully trained
> for their limited role, prohibited from carrying
> weapons, about 30% are prior military and law
> enforcement (retired and currently serving), and
> are just looking for avenues to serve.





What exactly is "fully trained"? As far as I can tell from VDF's website, when you join this organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet and some sort of mentorship as training.

You don't go through basic training like Guardsmen or active duty/reservists...what about your officers? Are they trained on the same level as military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?

As I said in previous posts, if you want to join the military and don't want full time commitment, you can go Guard or Reserves. Your organization is about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is enough to manage a statewide emergency.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: KrispyKreme ()
Date: December 28, 2010 05:43PM

eesh Wrote:
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> VDF Officer Wrote:
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>
> >
> > All of the members are volunteers, fully
> trained
> > for their limited role, prohibited from
> carrying
> > weapons, about 30% are prior military and law
> > enforcement (retired and currently serving),
> and
> > are just looking for avenues to serve.
>
>
>
>
> What exactly is "fully trained"? As far as I can
> tell from VDF's website, when you join this
> organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet
> and some sort of mentorship as training.
>
> You don't go through basic training like Guardsmen
> or active duty/reservists...what about your
> officers? Are they trained on the same level as
> military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?
>
> As I said in previous posts, if you want to join
> the military and don't want full time commitment,
> you can go Guard or Reserves. Your organization is
> about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is
> enough to manage a statewide emergency.

They could bring donuts to the cops and NG's.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 28, 2010 07:38PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> The Virginia Defense Force falls under the 2nd
> Amendments "well regulated militia" clause and is
> within the state's constitution.

> prohibited from carrying
> weapons,

What good is a militia with no arms? What's with the cammo uniforms? And why does a state government need the federal 2nd Ammendment to authorize it to raise it's own disaster relief force?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:23PM

I appreciate a detailed response that can be answered.

1. (when you join this organization, you receive an orientation pamphlet and some sort of mentorship as training). Each individual receives a minimum of 2 types of training - everyone goes through boot camp within one year of joining. As a former DI, it is not the "real thing". But these are not warriors and the needs are very different. The second type is for a specialty which is all on-the-job training. It is much like a MOS in the Army or rating in the Navy or CG. Half the rates in the Coast Guard are strikers - no classroom - all on the job training, so this is not unique. There is also training programs and certifications offered by FEMA that are mandatory by position.

2. (what about your officers? Are they trained on the same level as military academy/ROTC/OCS grads?) 30% are prior service or law enforcement, so that covers boot camp or OCS for 1/3 of the VDF. Everyone else goes through basic and for officer commissions - in the past it was based on factors like college degrees, work experience, etc. Today your officer rank is also based upon prior service - if you held the rank of 03 (Capt in the Army, Air Force, Marines or LT in Navy and CG), you start there. For both officer and enlisted there is a structured process for promotion that resembles active duty and reserves. Addressing the issue of "is itlike OCS or ROTC"? Of course not, we are not asking these individuals to led people in combat or into extremis. The training they receive equals the mandate of the VDF.

3. (As I said in previous posts, if you want to join the military and don't want full time commitment, you can go Guard or Reserve). These people choose not to take advantage of that option. I served both on active and in the reserves and run a fast growth company. I cannot be at the mercy of government bureaucrats - been there, done that, last time it almost bankrupted us. Additionally some members are to old (26 is the cut off for active duty) and now have the flexibility to volunteer. Because they choose to receive no pay, buy their own uniforms, and pay for travel makes their service less honorable?

4. (Your organization is about 1000 people strong, I hardly think that is enough to manage a statewide emergency.) I addressed this in my original comment - a 1,000 people makes a huge difference when the National Guard has been federalized and is over seas. They are stretched very thin and appreciate the help.

5. As for your donut comment - try this one - anybody who has not served in uniform is a parasite on the nation? A rather unfair comment but in the same tone.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:26PM

VDF Officer Sir,

Could you answer my previous question as to what the VDF did specifically to assist the citizens of Virginia after the snow in the tidewater region? Thanks-

Edit to add:
Also, don't bother answering remarks like the doughnut comments. On the internet these people are known as "trolls" because they are trolling (like fishing) to make other people mad. Just ignore them and they won't come back.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:38PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> Because they choose to
> receive no pay, buy their own uniforms, and pay
> for travel makes their service less honorable?




No, it doesn't. I understand that it is strictly a volunteer organization. However, you have a group of people that drill and dress in BDUs that obviously want to be soldiers, once again, you can go Reserve or Guard. If they want to be police officers, then they could go that route, hell, even police departments have reserve officers and auxiliaries.

Since your organization has little to no weight or physical fitness requirements and training standards compared to the military (yet strives to emulate the military), you have to wonder if it is full of people that couldn't cut it in the military. (I heard your 30% were former police or military comment numerous times.)

Someone joining the VDF is analogous to someone that wanted to be a police officer all his life and ended up as an $8 an hour security guard.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:38PM

(What good is a militia with no arms? What's with the camo uniforms? And why does a state government need the federal 2nd amendment to authorize it to raise it's own disaster relief force?)

First, take up the "no weapons" with state government - previous versions of the VDF were armed, This is not up to anyone in the Chain of Command. The challenge would be who issues the weapons and conducts training. Given the uniform situation - most people would find purchasing an AR-15 or M40 price prohibitive.

The VDF needs a uniform so they are authorized to wear prior Army utilities. The current Woodland camo was military issue 2 versions ago. Remember these people pay for all of their stuff and buying surplus uniforms makes economic sense.

Your question on the state not needing"authorization" is correct, I simply added it to make the point that the VDF is in full compliance with both the federal and state constitution. I agree with the premise of your statement.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:45PM

The VDF Signal Battalion, which has several police dispatchers, deployed a mobile command post that integrates audio, visual, and text communications. It is especially useful when traditional communications are down - i.e. cell phones, internet,etc. We were handling emergency requests for assistance and directing resources.

As for trolls, quite familiar with the sub-species and find their lack of intelligence tasty

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:59PM

(No, it doesn't. I understand that it is strictly a volunteer organization. However, you have a group of people that drill and dress in BDUs that obviously want to be soldiers, once again, you can go Reserve or Guard. If they want to be police officers, then they could go that route, hell, even police departments have reserve officers and auxiliaries.) ..... But they don't make that choice - they made this one. I'll speak for myself - I don't want to be a cop or a solider, and have served both on active duty and reserves. This fits my flexibility. Two examples to make my point - we have a medical unit which consists of doctor's and nurse's. They can't take your route and pursue their professions. Our MP unit consists of cops and state troopers who cannot serve in the reserves or National Guard and keep their day jobs. 20 years ago this was possible - today these guys are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Since your organization has little to no weight or physical fitness requirements and training standards compared to the military (yet strives to emulate the military), you have to wonder if it is full of people that couldn't cut it in the military. (I heard your 30% were former police or military comment numerous times.)).... we don't have weight and fitness standards because it is not required for the job. But don't think the pictures posted in this forum represent what the average VDF member looks like. It is a reasonable cross section of the state and most are more fit than the average couch potato.

(Someone joining the VDF is analogous to someone that wanted to be a police officer all his life and ended up as an $8 an hour security guard.)...simply a bullshit answer, no response required.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 09:13PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> Two examples to make my point - we
> have a medical unit which consists of doctor's and
> nurse's. They can't take your route and pursue
> their professions.



Yeah, because there is no such thing as reservists or Guardsmen in the Medical Corps, right? Is that what you are telling me?


> Our MP unit consists of cops
> and state troopers who cannot serve in the
> reserves or National Guard and keep their day
> jobs. 20 years ago this was possible - today these
> guys are in Iraq and Afghanistan.



You are bullshitting as I have known reservists that were State Troopers that were called up for deployments. Their position with the State Police will still be waiting for them when they return home. Anything else would violate various laws that protect reservists and Guardsmen when called up for duty.


> we don't
> have weight and fitness standards because it is
> not required for the job.


So.....you are para-military in organization and structure, complement the National Guard, you boast that you are a genuine militia, yet have no weight or physical standards for your members? How is that working out?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 09:35PM

eesh - lets see, I will slow down and write slower

In the National Guard and Reserves, you will be deployed. If you are in the VDF, you will stay here. Therefore if I want to serve and not go away for 12 months, I can do the same thing - only for no money in the VDF. Some make that choice, others don't. Also you have the age issue, if are over 26 for active duty and reserves, over 40 for National Guard - the option is not available.

As for the para-military organization and weight and physical standards, other than MP's - it is not essential to perform most roles. When it does, we deploy people who are fit. Given the slovenliness of the average American and that fact we are a volunteer organization, it is indeed not pretty, but We make it work.

Does that cover it or am I confusing you with facts?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 09:44PM

LOL, now you are resorting to personal attacks when called out on your lack of knowledge and the fact the VDF is a playground for people that were rejected by the military.


Again, you say that weight and physical standards aren't necessary, yet you pride yourself on supporting the National Guard and police agencies.....which do have weight and physical standards.


I love your statement "When it does, we deploy people who are fit." That's a pretty pathetic mentality; out of your 1000 available bodies, what percentage would you say are fit for duty?



Are you in this picture "VDF Officer"?


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: December 28, 2010 09:53PM

The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore thumb...

Wonder what his story is....

Signatures are for fags

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Natalie ()
Date: December 28, 2010 09:57PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore
> thumb...
>
> Wonder what his story is....


He's a male ballerina. His feet are in the second position.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:06PM

eesh, not sure what you want to hear. I have responded to all of your questions. Given I have only 13 years active duty, 4 years reserve time, and 1 year in the VDF - you're right - I am sure compared to your extensive knowledge of all things military - I don't know anything.

Most of the VDF members were not rejected by the military, it is a choice they didn't make. Now they have and are proud of any contribution they can make to Virginia. If my unit is representative of the entire 1,000 force, 50% would be considered civilian fit, 25% military fit. Our problem is not the VDF member, it is the physical condition of society. We don't have a farm where we grow our own, we get people who represent the entire population and make it work.

As for my picture, that is not my unit. However if you would like to go one-on-one in the next triathlon,let me know.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:27PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> eesh, not sure what you want to hear. I have
> responded to all of your questions. Given I have
> only 13 years active duty, 4 years reserve time,
> and 1 year in the VDF - you're right - I am sure
> compared to your extensive knowledge of all things
> military - I don't know anything.





Unless you are willing to post your DD214, I take your statement with a grain of salt.


That's an interesting number of years in service with the Coast Guard, especially as an officer. You see, Coast Guard has really high retention rates, especially officers, and if you had already done 13 years, why not just finish your 20?


My guess, one too many shitty OERs kept you from advancing past O-3....right? I think you have proven my point the VDF is for people that can't hack the military.


Enjoy your career as an officer in the VDF, your commission is worth about the same as the printer paper it was placed on.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:28PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> The guy (?) on the far left sticks out like a sore
> thumb...
>
> Wonder what his story is....





A little strange he has his hood up when it isn't raining....

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: King Tutt ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:31PM

I'm thinking about joining the Air Force as a nurse. What do y'all think? Nurse Tutt has a nice ring to it!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: fucked up ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:45PM

i thought for a minute that said the vagina defense force...hahaha

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Vagina Men-o-logs ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:52PM

fucked up Wrote:
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> i thought for a minute that said the vagina
> defense force...hahaha


There is one... it's a dyke tactical interweb warfare unit with male members who pose as women on the internet. Members include themuse, conie, alias, jane2, melissa, and NicoleH. They are led by the biggest bitch of them all, eesh.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Florence ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:54PM

King Tutt Wrote:
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> I'm thinking about joining the Air Force as a
> nurse. What do y'all think? Nurse Tutt has a nice
> ring to it!


it does have a nice ring to it Tuttle/Eli :)

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 28, 2010 10:56PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> First, take up the "no weapons" with state
> government - previous versions of the VDF were
> armed, This is not up to anyone in the Chain of
> Command.

Actually, I'm quite okay with fewer people in government uniforms carrying weapons, in my opinion we already have more than enough of those. Armed private citizens, on the other hand, I'm cool with.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: aiuam ()
Date: December 28, 2010 11:09PM

tomahawk Wrote:
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> Actually, I'm quite okay with fewer people in
> government uniforms carrying weapons, in my
> opinion we already have more than enough of those.
> Armed private citizens, on the other hand, I'm
> cool with.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Observer of Things ()
Date: December 28, 2010 11:11PM

To chime in... I first learned about the VDF in the early 90s at AP Hill of all places. IIRC, they were helping to run radios. "Who the hell are you guys," was my question. The way they explained it was that in times of extreme crisis and manpower problems, they would help work comms, staff NG armories & depots, and backfill more administrative jobs. It's sort of like members of a Volunteer Fire / Rescue Squad that don't fill the line jobs, but volunteer to do paperwork and run bingo night... douchebags like eesh may laugh at that, but that sort of volunteering does free up the front line guys to do their jobs. If the VDF's model for service parallels that, then good for them.

That said - and I don't mean to besmirch the organization as I can see them filling useful roles in the state's overall emergency management structure - I had to laugh at tomahawk's comment about them being Civil Air Patrol wannabes as that was my original impression of them. They struck me as being sort of like the CAP minus (1) any focus on physical fitness, (2) the dedicated SAR training, (3) aerial patrol capabilities and training, and (4) the valuable active duty / academy recruiting angle for youths. Overall they struck me as less paramilitary and more like the local CB clubs that volunteer at large public events.

I do have a question for VDF Officer: as you explained it, you have to pay for your uniforms and are not permitted to bear arms while serving in a VDF capacity, yet I could have sworn that at the last few Nations Gun Shows at Dulles, the people manning VDF booth were shouting, "get a uniform and a gun," as their pitch. I'm pretty darn sure that they had a sign indicating that, too. Does that sound kosher to you? Additionally, is the description I was given over a decade ago accurate: that you all help guard depots if the NG is deployed?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 28, 2010 11:17PM

aiuam Wrote:
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Thanks for pointing out why people should arm themselves.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 29, 2010 07:58AM

eesh

All of your questions have been answered, some several times - you just don't like the answers. Interesting canard to make the validity of your argument my career and the posting of a DD-214. In none of our exchanges have you offered any facts, just opinions. It would leave one to believe your thinking is emotionally based.

The choice is simple, accept the VDF as an avenue for people to serve the State of VA, or not. It will continue to function regardless of your derision.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 29, 2010 08:27AM

Observer of Things

Thanx for the comments. The services provided by the VDF range from doing paperwork (can't escape it anywhere) to running sophisticated communications equipment that the National Guard doesn't possess. In some places we are just replacements, other places we are at the center of the action with unique capabilities - just depends on the function.

As for CAP wannabes, the VDF has an Air Wing - not much wannabe there. We also have a River Unit that has similar capabilities as the Coast Guard. I would put that function above the Auxillary and below the Reserves.

Your comment about the CB Club is not far off in that most of the members of Signal (communications) have ham licenses and are authorized by the FCC. The communications function is critical and we try to find people who have technical expertise in a critical function and willing volunteer.

I like the gun thing, we deal with this all time when people express interest in joining. The comment about "get a uniform and a gun" is not kosher at all. Given the physical standards issue debated here already, it is too dangerous for the state to put people into roles that require the use of firearms. Can you image running it like 1770, when the original VDF was formed, giving members a gun to take home and put over the fireplace????!!! The lawyers would have a field day. What would happen in a state emergency are the law enforcement members in MP Units would PROBABLY be permitted to carry their service weapons. I don't know if that has happened, but can see where it is possible - I would not hesitate to issue that order. With guns it is all about maintaining control.

That being said, if you randomly selected 10 VDF members and had access to their personal arms, you would be impressed.

Most VDF units muster at NG Armories, so that is one our roles to secure and manage in their absence.

I think that answers all of your questions, if you have anything else - I'll be happy to share what I know.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 29, 2010 09:53AM

Apparently another responsibility of the VDF is to worry about what some anonymous posters on online forums think of the VDF.

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of posers. You have no authority or responsibility to do anything. If there ever was a civil uprising, you would be more of a hindrance than a help.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 29, 2010 10:05AM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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>
> most of the members of Signal(communications) have ham licenses

LICENSED TO HAM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: December 29, 2010 10:11AM

I kind of have a funny vision of this bunch also. I used to know a guy who was into police scanners and radios and was a wannabe to the first degree. Wanted to be a volunteer fireman but with his nervous twitch and stuttering problem, he just "kept f-f-f-flunking that d-d-d-doggone t-t-t-test!" He was mocked mercilessly, who knows whatever happened to him, probably in the VDF for all I know.

I'll give these VDF folks a break, they're trying to do something, whatever that something is.


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: December 29, 2010 10:15AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> VDF Officer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > most of the members of Signal(communications)
> have ham licenses
>
> LICENSED TO HAM


"Roger, Good Buddy. We have a group of reparations seekers massing on the banks of the James River. Calling in an A-10 air strike...."


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"...er, what do you mean, 'Who the fuck is this? We're the Goddamn Virginia Defense Force, amigo! 10-4, good buddy."

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: December 29, 2010 10:35AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I'll give these VDF folks a break, they're trying
> to do something, whatever that something is.

That's what I was thinking. If they want to put on surplus BDUs and hit each other with pool noodles, fuck it. Who am I to judge?

Thank Odin they're supervised, at least. I'll take this over a bunch of gun nuts deciding to do something similar of their own volition.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 12:04PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Apparently another responsibility of the VDF is to
> worry about what some anonymous posters on online
> forums think of the VDF.




+1

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 12:07PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> That being said, if you randomly selected 10 VDF
> members and had access to their personal arms, you
> would be impressed.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 29, 2010 02:14PM

Such the comedians. Unless there are legitimate questions, this is my final post within the forum - don't want to make things too uncomfortable.

On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder that one.
Second is for everyones bright boy eesh - attached is a much more accurate photo - what happens on our off-hours.

Perhaps we will meet more formally - enjoy
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 02:19PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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>
> On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder
> that one.




Because you googled for Virginia Defense Force, and for a while, Fairfax Underground was coming up on the first page of search results.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 02:22PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> Such the comedians. Unless there are legitimate
> questions, this is my final post within the forum
> - don't want to make things too uncomfortable.
>
> On the question of why am I here? I let you ponder
> that one.
> Second is for everyones bright boy eesh - attached
> is a much more accurate photo - what happens on
> our off-hours.
>
> Perhaps we will meet more formally - enjoy






I enjoyed your picture "offduty VDF"! I enjoyed it so much that I decided to search it to see where you got it.

Do you and the rest of the VDF enjoy going to the Czech Republic to play airsoft?

http://www.airsoft-ck.wgz.cz/image/thm/8196762

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 29, 2010 02:24PM

Grasshopper - you are close on the methods, you haven't answered the question - why? Action without intent is wasted motion.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: December 29, 2010 02:26PM

eesh Wrote:
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> I enjoyed your picture "offduty VDF"! I enjoyed it
> so much that I decided to search it to see where
> you got it.
>
> Do you and the rest of the VDF enjoy going to the
> Czech Republic to play airsoft?
>
> http://www.airsoft-ck.wgz.cz/image/thm/8196762

Well, there goes the tiny bit of respect I had for Mr. VDF.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Officer ()
Date: December 29, 2010 09:29PM

eesh, your brilliance is blinding, do you really believe I would post an actual photo? It is a good representation - same terrain, the BDU's are the same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any fact check on your previous pix, I understood the symbolism.

When you have real questions or facts, let me know.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: December 29, 2010 09:38PM

Serve and protect.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
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Date: December 29, 2010 09:41PM


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 09:43PM

VDF Officer Wrote:
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> eesh, your brilliance is blinding, do you really
> believe I would post an actual photo? It is a good
> representation - same terrain, the BDU's
are the
> same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any
> fact check on your previous pix, I understood the
> symbolism.



Well.......in your post, the one where you claimed you would never post again, you said that "attached is a much more accurate photo - what happens on our off-hours." Don't try to change the story just because it was discovered that you lifted that pic off a Czech airsoft forum and then renamed the photo "offduty VDF."




> It is a good
> representation - same terrain, the BDU's
> are the same, weapons look similar. I don't recall any
> fact check on your previous pix, I understood the
> symbolism.




Really, so the Virginia Defense Force now has Steyr AUGs? Because those are clearly what they are in that pic.


I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an officer.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 29, 2010 09:45PM

eesh Wrote:
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> I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your
> posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an
> officer.


Not to worry. He doesn't understand the interwebz; he's too busy playing with his scanner, waxing his mustache, and shaving the sides of his wierd haircut.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 29, 2010 11:10PM

http://alphacompany.info/


23dBn Blackhorse VDF

Alpha Annandale - Serving Northern Virginia communities including Alexandria, Annandale, Arlington and Fairfax County.





VDF in Northern Virginia! These pics are lulz worthy to say the least.




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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 29, 2010 11:36PM

Lt. Stansbury's kind of cute. Never cared for girls in uniforms, though.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: December 30, 2010 09:50AM

Pics 1 and 2- Shit, they've already infiltrated!!

Pic 3- Otter and Flounder join Delta HOuse

Pic 4- Headly has got it going on with the exotics

Tomohawk is right,Stansbury is cute, but the rest of the pics are boredom.

Seriously, I'm sure there are some wannabes, flunkies and goofballs in the ranks, but if everyone of these people are volunteering their time and energy, good for them and thanks.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 30, 2010 10:11AM

A PLEDGE PIN??? ON YOUR UNIFORM??!??!!!?!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: December 30, 2010 11:22AM

Stansbury could get it.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: December 30, 2010 12:06PM

I'm forming my own VDF. It'll be composed of Blackwater dudes.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: December 30, 2010 12:46PM

It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders to not shoot civilians over the sound of my gunfire."

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: December 30, 2010 04:06PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders to
> not shoot civilians over the sound of my gunfire."


Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then folks will understand.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 30, 2010 04:11PM

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
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> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.






90% of the time, I don't agree with ThePackLeader, but on this one, +1.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: snap! ()
Date: December 30, 2010 04:12PM

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: December 30, 2010 06:15PM

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It should say, "Sorry, I can't hear your orders
> to
> > not shoot civilians over the sound of my
> gunfire."
>
>
> Maybe when you're surrounded in the middle of a
> roundabout by gunmen hiding behind civilians, then
> folks will understand.


Maybe if that happens you should reconsider your career path.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: lineman ()
Date: January 02, 2011 02:17PM

curious Wrote:
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> I'm not even sure how I happened upon this group-
> about a week ago I was looking through the
> virginia.gov site and I found this-
>
> Virginia has a kind of citizens militia group that
> is not connected to the larger military at all-
> they're all volunteers and can join or quit at any
> time. Ostensibly they were formed to look after
> Virginia National Guard bases while the troops
> were deployed, but now that we have a professional
> military (and by that I mean not drafted) that job
> is redundant . . .
>
> So basically, there are a bunch of pseudo-military
> VA gun nuts running around and training (on the
> weekends) for the opportunity to become a real
> militia . .
>
> Here they are doing "riot training" with pool
> noodles wrapped in duct tape :-)
>
>
>
The VDF helped us (Virginia Power) last winter during the blizzards. We were working in rural parts of Fauquier county and they showed up to remove countless tree branches and other debris that we left scattered on roadways. Their help saved us hundreds of man-hours and resulted in quicker restoration of power to storm victims. Yes they were mostly rednecks but they helped us and they did not get in the way as some volunteer groups can.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: January 02, 2011 02:31PM

+1 For VDF Good Deed

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: justLookin ()
Date: January 13, 2011 09:44AM

> > I hope Major General Taylor doesn't read your
> > posts and sees what a bullshitter he has for an
> > officer.
>
>
> Not to worry. He doesn't understand the interwebz;
> he's too busy playing with his scanner, waxing his
> mustache, and shaving the sides of his wierd
> haircut.


From looking around their website, it looks like he had 30 years in the guard/active duty retiring as an 0-6 prior to his apointment as a MG. (and a docotrate in plant sciences).

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ruff ()
Date: January 13, 2011 01:44PM

They pretty much are a bunch of good ole boys organized under the concept of keeping Virginia safe. They undergo a pretty physical demanding "basic training" which include small arms, hand to hand combat, and anti-terrorist tactics. From what they claim in their literature, it appears they are pretty capable in command and control procedures. They have a boot camp somewhere in Arlington, which includes a obstacle course, range, and heavy tire flipping site. At least they keep busy.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 13, 2011 01:50PM

ruff Wrote:
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>
> They have a boot camp somewhere in Arlington

Yeah, at that IHOP on the corner of Fairfax & Stafford St.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 13, 2011 02:57PM

ruff Wrote:
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> They pretty much are a bunch of good ole boys
> organized under the concept of keeping Virginia
> safe. They undergo a pretty physical demanding
> "basic training" which include small arms, hand to
> hand combat, and anti-terrorist tactics. From
> what they claim in their literature, it appears
> they are pretty capable in command and control
> procedures. They have a boot camp somewhere in
> Arlington, which includes a obstacle course,
> range, and heavy tire flipping site. At least
> they keep busy.





Do you have links to support this? According to their website, they are not allowed to have weapons and receive no training on firearms. Looking at their training, they do not go through a basic training like the military; they get an orientation pamphlet and have to take online FEMA courses. Woop de fucking do.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: nearrt66 ()
Date: January 13, 2011 03:29PM

they must spend weekends flipping tires at their bootcamp and weekdays flipping burgers at the drive-in;

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: January 13, 2011 03:40PM

eesh Wrote:
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>
>
> Do you have links to support this? According to
> their website, they are not allowed to have
> weapons and receive no training on firearms.
> Looking at their training, they do not go through
> a basic training like the military; they get an
> orientation pamphlet and have to take online FEMA
> courses. Woop de fucking do.


That foam noodle training will come in handy against rioters armed with Glocks.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Sgt. tully ()
Date: January 13, 2011 04:52PM

Regardless of what the butt-fucks say. This group represent a pretty stable and reliable group of Virginia's finest citizens. They have a code and creedo which includes self sacrifice in its highest concepts and a espirit de corps encompasing vaules and traditions that are trully American. I would encourage that if you believe in what America stands for you support and encourage them. I don't know if they accept donations, but it would be a nice gesture and show of support.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: January 13, 2011 05:06PM

Sgt. tully Wrote:
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> Regardless of what the butt-fucks say. This group
> represent a pretty stable and reliable group of
> Virginia's finest citizens. They have a code and
> creedo which includes self sacrifice ...

Apparently that stops at the donut counter, based on what I've seen.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 13, 2011 05:20PM

Sgt. tully Wrote:
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> This group represent a pretty stable and reliable group of
> Virginia's finest citizens.




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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: January 14, 2011 02:51PM

Sock Puppet # 646847465435685564464 Wrote:
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> TheMeeper = WashingTone-Locian = Stoopid
> Negger = Complete LOSER


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: mikescot ()
Date: January 26, 2011 02:41PM

Please, the VDF is essentially one step away from being a domestic terrorist organization. The fact that you think you actually serve is hilarious. You should find something better to do with your time like washing your car in the rain.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ottoman ()
Date: January 26, 2011 03:29PM

Cops and Police used to put up with the same sacastic hate mongering during the 60s and 70s but when the shit hit the fan who did they call.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: January 26, 2011 05:31PM

ottoman Wrote:
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> Cops and Police used to put up with the same
> sacastic hate mongering during the 60s and 70s but
> when the shit hit the fan who did they call.


First of all, I though "cops" and "police" are the same thing...anywhoo...

The only reason I would call the cops for a problem is because it's illegal to call the mafia.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: JGHarris ()
Date: April 01, 2011 12:20PM

I don't understand the fuss? As someone looking and considering joining the VDF i find it humorous the pictures and picking on the individuals who volunteer. Yes quite a few do not fill a uniform well, I am sure there are a few Rambo’s in the ranks but the purpose is not to become an elite strike force capable of holding off an army. It's only to assist as needed in whatever capacity the local Law enforcement or National Guard need you in. While directing traffic or helping in a search effort may not be glorious, someone will need to do it and I ‘m sure that rather than having A Guardsman or Police Officer relieved of that duty to get on to more important things is just as important. You don’t exactly have to be a trim, fit, individual to direct traffic. I take it most posting on here do not see that as a reason to volunteer but it’s great that there are some who don't mind doing it. For every fat slob pic you post of a VDF member you can bet there is a Ret Marine, Police Officer, veteran or someone who takes his health seriously. I not a fatty or a Rambo, I have a Collage degree and I make a dang good living as a Systems Admin and probably make 3 times what a police officer does "that's sad but true" But I want to help my community, state and local officials if needed without too much interference with my family. I would probably make that uniform look good, take care of it and have it actually fit me. Honestly If you were the victim of a natural disaster, flood or in need of rescue and I walked up to you, gave you a dry blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or even a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of the Virginia Defense Force?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 01, 2011 12:25PM

JGHarris Wrote:
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> I have a Collage degree

Were you an Art major?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Forbert ()
Date: April 01, 2011 01:23PM

I' change the name from "Force" to "Brigade", more kick ass sounding.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 01, 2011 03:04PM

JGHarris Wrote:
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> I have a Collage degree




University of Phoenix, right?


> I walked up to you, gave you a dry
> blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or even
> a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of the
> Virginia Defense Force?




I would hope in a major disaster, you are providing something a little more substantial than donuts and coffee. Maybe that's your dream, endless coffee and Dunkin Donuts.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: April 01, 2011 04:17PM

You don't need to dress up like John Matrix and swear to obey orders to hand out blankets after a disaster.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: JGHarris71 ()
Date: April 27, 2011 09:50PM

No. Wrong Jon Harris HaHa

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: jgharris ()
Date: April 27, 2011 10:08PM

eesh Wrote:
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> JGHarris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a Collage degree
>
>
>
> University of Phoenix, right?
>
>
> > I walked up to you, gave you a dry
> > blanket and handed you a hot coffee, water or
> even
> > a doughnut . Would you care I was a member of
> the
> > Virginia Defense Force?
>
>
>
> I would hope in a major disaster, you are
> providing something a little more substantial than
> donuts and coffee. Maybe that's your dream,
> endless coffee and Dunkin Donuts.

No but even if it were U of Phoenix it's probably more then you have. Also you obviously did not read the whole thread or you you would know about the mention of Donuts earlier but if that's your first impression of me from my post then I imagine you live with your mom, play Warcraft in the basement and stick suppositories up your butt cause your full of shit. My point was if that is what was asked of me I would do it. Although I do think the uniform could simply be a pair of tactical pants and a Tee. I don't see the need for old surplus BDUs.It does give the impression of a military presence and more then enough to make some think they are in a position. Perhaps a bit of PT is in order

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 27, 2011 10:24PM

The jgharris that responded tonight is not the same person that posted on the 1st, but you are both idiots nonetheless.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: jgharris ()
Date: April 27, 2011 10:30PM

eesh Wrote:
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> The jgharris that responded tonight is not the
> same person that posted on the 1st, but you are
> both idiots nonetheless.


How do you know, dumbass?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: The Puzzler ()
Date: April 28, 2011 07:58AM

If it ever gets so bad that we need to use the VDF, does that mean that the capital city super squad has failed us??

http://www.supersquad.org/yet-more-news/
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Volunteer ()
Date: May 30, 2011 10:53PM

So, you are going to put people down who volunteer their time to help there fellow citizens in times of trouble and disaster? Did any of you notice that many of these folks have actual army combat unit patches below their Virginia flags on their uniforms? This signifies that these people served their country in the federal armed forces, honorably, and yet still feel the need to give of themselves to serve their commmnunities back home. Many of them serve until their deaths.
The VDF serves in in un-armed role because that is what is mandated by the constitution of Virginia and Aticle 2 of the US constitution. They are not "gun nuts", as you would paint them. If you spent any time at all researching, you would see that the current focus and mission set of this unit is towards search and rescue after natural and man-made disasters. In addition, they provide medical services and air reconnesence to aid in search and rescue missions conducted by other state agencies.
They serve for FREE. They buy all their own equipment OUT OF POCKET. They take UNPAID time off work to train and serve. They respond on a TWO HOUR response time to ANYWHERE in the state of Virginia, leaving their families and jobs on a moment's notice. Yes, it is true that in times of EXTREME emergencies they can be armed, but that is not by their choice but rests SOLELY with the governor of Virginia. They seek only to provide aid and comfort to yourself and your family in times of crisis and train as such.
How do I know, I am one of them!
Don't care if you respect me or my fellow volunteers or not. I would still provide you with the best possible service I can under any conditions. I would give you my last drop of water and my last bite of food in times of crisis. I care not if you respect me or listen to me or are armed better and don't care to listen to me. I will not try to threaten you or tell you what to do rather I would simply ask you if you had enough water to drink, food to eat, clothes to wear or bandages to cover your wounds then provide you with what you need to aleviate your suffering and be on my way.
VDF, for those of you who care to research, is the oldest continuously serving military organization in the US, dating to before the formation of the US. By serving the people of Virginia with dignity and respect and helping those in need we do our small part to honor those who fell before us but at no time seek to be better than anyone else.
If you are that concerned that you are going to come on here and put us down, I welcome you to come to one of our drills and tell us how we could serve our community better. Offer up an idea, not a put-down.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 30, 2011 11:19PM

VDF Volunteer,


Why would someone join the VDF versus the VA National Guard, where you get compensated for your time and all equipment is paid for? I've seen the pics of your organization during exercises and the description of your support services, it sounds like you would be a fifth wheel during a state emergency.


Have you ever asked yourself why Virginia doesn't include you in VDEM? That is, after all, the agency that responds to state emergencies.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: May 31, 2011 10:36AM

Thanks for this. I didn't even know this group existed; so I googled it and found this link for them...

Virginia Defense Force (VDF)
http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/

The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the Commonwealth's military reserve.
The force is governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.

The Virginia Defense Force, with a targeted membership of at least 1,200, shall be organized within and subject to the control of the Department of Military Affairs.


When called to state active duty, the mission of the Virginia Defense Force shall be to

•provide for an adequately trained organized reserve militia to assume control of Virginia National Guard facilities and to secure any federal and state property left in place in the event of the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard


•assist in the mobilization of the Virginia National Guard


•support the Virginia National Guard in providing family assistance to military dependents within the Commonwealth in the event of the mobilization of the National Guard


•provide a military force to respond to the call of the Governor in those circumstances described in § 44-75.1

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: In the News... ()
Date: May 31, 2011 10:37AM

"provide a military force to respond to the call of the Governor in those circumstances described in § 44-75.1"

here is the link for § 44-75.1

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+44-75.1

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: May 31, 2011 11:49AM

I have been really surprised by the number of supposed VDF members that read FU.

Edit to add: google search "Virginia defense force fairfax" and this thread is the top hit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2011 11:54AM by curious.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 11:59AM

In the News... Wrote:
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> "provide a military force to respond to the call
> of the Governor in those circumstances described
> in § 44-75.1"
>
> here is the link for § 44-75.1
>
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
> d+44-75.1





And what good is it when they have no weapons? Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't allowed weapons?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VA Defender ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:06PM

eesh Wrote:
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> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
>
> > d+44-75.1
>
>
>
>
> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?

Of course there are. Ever heard of the Salivation Army?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: May 31, 2011 12:09PM

And this KISS Army too. Duh.

VA Defender Wrote:
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> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
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> >
> > > d+44-75.1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> > Have you ever heard of a military force that
> isn't
> > allowed weapons?
>
> Of course there are. Ever heard of the Salivation
> Army?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Sidearm ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:39PM

eesh Wrote:
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> In the News... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "provide a military force to respond to the
> call
> > of the Governor in those circumstances
> described
> > in § 44-75.1"
> >
> > here is the link for § 44-75.1
> >
> >
> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+co
>
> > d+44-75.1
>
>
>
>
> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?


The way I read "In the New's" post is that they (the VDF) do not function
as infantry but support. OTOH, if they are not "officially" issued
weapons I doubt if they would be prohibited from bringing their own
personal firearms during an emergency if they choose. Please correct me if
I'm wrong but I think Open Carry or maybe even CCW may apply.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: May 31, 2011 12:40PM

They are issued pool noodles which are as lethal as M-16s and M-4s.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:43PM

Sidearm Wrote:
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> The way I read "In the New's" post is that they
> (the VDF) do not function
> as infantry but support.




You don't need to be infantry to be issued weapons or at least have training in weapons.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:44PM

Sidearm Wrote:
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. OTOH, if they are not
> "officially" issued
> weapons I doubt if they would be prohibited from
> bringing their own
> personal firearms during an emergency if they
> choose. Please correct me if
> I'm wrong but I think Open Carry or maybe even CCW
> may apply.





This is about as stupid as firemen bringing their home fire extinguishers to a service call.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Volunteer ()
Date: May 31, 2011 12:58PM

Just to clarify a few things:

-VDF IS actually included in the VDEM structure, lookup VA ESF 17. I actually got a chuckle reading that one as I just got finished sitting in a 24 hour FEMA-sponsored course one of many which is part of the training required for VDEM activation. I can assure you, when problems arise, you will see VDF uniforms at the state EOC.

-I notice many of you get hung up on whether or not we serve in an armed role. It is important to note that the reason we are a military organization is because it was the organizational structure that has already been in place for several hundred years. With the advent of the proffesional National Guard the VDF role becomes redundent. So there are then two basic choices. One would be to disband the unit completely. The other would be to re-pupose that unit. In my way of thinking (and apparently the governor's as well) if you already have a group of people who are willing to serve and there are ALWAYS things that need to be done, especially for free in this economy, why not continue to let them serve? The fact that we continue in a military role is basically because the type of work we do compliments the type of work the NG does so by being structured in the same fashion and having a command and control set that is the same it allows seemless integration when needed and gets rid of the need for inter-agency liasons and miscommunications. We all operate the same so when it comes time to play we are all on the same team. Also, if you do some research on the VDF they are the continuum of the Colonial Militia. By continuing as an "Army" it is a way to pay respect to those who came before us and laid down their lives for the freedoms we currently enjoy (not to take anything away from those who serve in all branches now).
-Why do we buy or own equipment? This is only a half truth actually, and I apologize for the mis-information. We purchase our own personal gear, however we are provided with mission specific gear by the state as well as food, lodging at bases and transportation as needed. But as for why we would buy our own gear I guess all I can say is that what we do, helping the citizens of Virgina, is personally important to us, enough so that we will make that sacrifice, so small compared to what others have sacrificed before us.
-Why not the NG? It is true, the physical requirements are less. We will take poeple who otherwise would have been precluded from federal service because of physical requirements. It is important to note however, that we WILL NOT EVER put a person in a functional position requiring a certain physical or mental qualification that they do not posssess. Sure, we are happy you chose to volunteer, but this is still a military organization and you must prove yourself competent in your job before you will EVER be put in a real-world event requiring that skill be performed. And trust me, there are both State and Fedearal credentialing systems in place that make 100% sure of that!
And just to clarify, we are not sitting around eating donuts and drinkingn coffee waiting for some END of The World scenario that will never happen. Look at the amount of times each year that elements of the VDF are called up and deployed state-wide. We do put training to work regularly, especially in regard to communications, SAR and mass medical roles (our 3 primary roles).
And by the way, we DO get paid any time we are called to State Active Duty at normal military paygrade accoridng to rank. We volunteer our time for drills and training. Very important distinction there.

Bottom line is this: If you have a pre-determined notion of who and what we are I am never going to be able to change that. You may have feelings based on media reports of radical militias around the country that you apply to us. Again, I can't do anything about that nor do I really care that much. All I ask is that you respect people who are trying to do SOMETHING to make their communities better instead of standing around waiting for a handout or "The Goverment" to fix their lives for them.
Again, if you have abetter idea for how we could do something please, please come let us know. Call the VDF. Call your representative. It takes the whole state and beyond, with everyone doing their small part, to make things better and keep this country the greatest place on Earth to live.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Sidearm ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:11PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Sidearm Wrote:
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>
> > The way I read "In the New's" post is that they
> > (the VDF) do not function
> > as infantry but support.
>
>
>
> You don't need to be infantry to be issued weapons
> or at least have training in weapons.

This is true but pardon me for having tunnel vision.
Everyone who finishes BCT in the Army has the title
"Rifleman" if I recall correctly. This would include
cooks, bakers, and candlestick makers.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:11PM

Here you go hero, from the VDF website itself.


These quotes are taken from http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/vsdftraining.html.


a. The VDF nor the VNG are first responders and will not be called
for tasks that need an immediate red lights and siren response.
b. The VDF will not be called if an emergency can be resolved with
normal community resources or with mutual aid or with state
resources. There is little chance VDF units would be activated for
ground search and rescue for a missing person, for a hazardous
materials spill or for an aircraft crash.



In small emergencies VNG will request activation of a
small number of VDF personnel to support the responding National Guard
units.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:13PM

With the quotes above, taken from your training manuals, please explain what your purpose in an emergency is.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: curious ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:22PM

Wait- did he say they do get paid if they are called up by the governor ?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:28PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vaguardpao/5053023344/

Approximately 500 members of the Virginia Defense Force conducted their annual division-level field training exercise Oct. 1-3 at Fort Pickett. The all-volunteer force trained on a number of different tasks including aerial reconnaissance operations using live video feed, communications operations with the VDF’s mobile command post systems, less-than-lethal security operations and basic entry level training for new VDF members.


Caption this pic:



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: May 31, 2011 01:32PM

Looking at that picture, I would say brutal sodomy is just about a minute away.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Volunteer ()
Date: May 31, 2011 05:18PM

I'm sure that the individuals in this picture would be really happy knowing they gave up their weekend to train so others like yourself could spend there free time putting them down for DOING THEIR BEST to serve you. I will not ask you what you did this weekend to serve your community, as you very well may be a firefighter, EMT or Police officcer (although I highly doubt it because most of them who we have worked with were thankful for our help and interested in what we do).

Sleep well, you put someone down for trying to do something good that was within their means. Sorry it wasn't up to your standards but obviously nothing will be.

Thanks for trying to be part of the solution instead of the problem.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Tubby The Deputy ()
Date: May 31, 2011 05:32PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Sgt. tully Wrote:
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> > This group represent a pretty stable and
> reliable group of
> > Virginia's finest citizens.
>
>
> They don't look any different than the Fairfax County Sheriff's Dept. special operatio ns and tactics unit.>

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 31, 2011 05:33PM

eesh Wrote:
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> And what good is it when they have no weapons?
> Have you ever heard of a military force that isn't
> allowed weapons?

"What are we supposed to use, harsh language?"

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: interesting ()
Date: June 01, 2011 07:30PM

Typical! Bunch of NOVA Yankees bitchin bout poeple trying to help them. When the SHTF I hope you can can eat/drink all those guns and ammo that help you feel special.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 01, 2011 07:41PM

interesting Wrote:
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> Typical! Bunch of NOVA Yankees bitchin bout poeple
> trying to help them. When the SHTF I hope you can
> can eat/drink all those guns and ammo that help
> you feel special.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: somewhere in lorton ()
Date: July 04, 2011 08:31PM

Wow. I certainly appreciate VDF officers patience. I have been in the VDF for about three years. Our mission does continue to evolve, as does our training; as obviously some of the pictures indicate and I have seen, there are some less than professional military types. While there are wannabes in every organization, I would tell you that the majority are dedicated volunteers. So here is what we do:
We assist the National Guard during mobilization; we take over the armories to keep them secure.
We assist local Emergency Operations Centers by providing liaison between the Guard and the local EOC manager. We actually staff the EOC during an emergency.
We are also going to assist in staffing local shelters in the event of an evacuation out of the Hamtpon Roads or DC area for displaced persons.
As to the physical fitness part, yes, obviously there are a lot of our people who could benefit from dropping the tonnage, but they are representative of America.
Our training is very formal, we attend VDEM classes without pay, attend drills and exercises with no pay, we also have to meet certain standards and have attended certain classes through EMI.

I am a prior service Airborne/Ranger/Expert Infantryman. After 9/11 I asked to go back in, but was rejected, probably because of my age. I would be happy to meet up and show you my DD-214 provided you thank me for volunteering my time and effort in order to be prepared to help you in time of emergency.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Did alot of good. ()
Date: July 07, 2011 07:31PM

These troopers did alot of service to the citizens of VA. caught up in the tornado, or series of tornados which hit us pretty hard a few weeks back. Many thanks guys/gals for a job well done.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: somewhere in lorton ()
Date: July 07, 2011 09:17PM

Thank you sir, my hope is that this is what we can do in the future. All the best to you and yours.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 09, 2011 10:19PM

Did alot of good. Wrote:
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> These troopers did alot of service to the citizens
> of VA. caught up in the tornado, or series of
> tornados which hit us pretty hard a few weeks
> back. Many thanks guys/gals for a job well done.



Bullshit.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Keepin It Real ()
Date: July 09, 2011 10:53PM

Hatas gonna hate.

But the VDF keeps a-rollin.


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF ()
Date: August 27, 2011 08:27PM

Gov McDonnell just gave mentioned the organization in his news conference (Irene).

Now's the time, VDF, have you mobilized? What exactly are you doing?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Adolf ()
Date: August 28, 2011 01:24PM

Now, This is the Virginia Defense Force!!!
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Spokesperson ()
Date: August 28, 2011 05:34PM

VDF Wrote:
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> Gov McDonnell just gave mentioned the organization
> in his news conference (Irene).
>
> Now's the time, VDF, have you mobilized? What
> exactly are you doing?


Don't worry about us! We're doing plenty! What are you doing? MIND YOU'RE OWN GODDAMN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: August 28, 2011 06:04PM

I would imagine the VDF is sitting around on their asses talking on ham radios while the National Guard helps the state and local authorities.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: HHC331SG ()
Date: October 06, 2011 06:00PM

The Virginia Defense force Is the Official militia of the commonwealth of Virginia. It is comprised of prior service members from all branches of the federal services and the reserve and National guard components. It is also made up of non prior service members who have a desire to serve thier state and country
but did not have the chance to do so due to medical or other reasons.

I am a Prior service member and am proud of my service in the VDF. I have been deployed numerous times in support roles along side the Virginia Army national guard during hurricanes and snow storms. The difference between those who guack and make snide remarks about the selfless volunteers in the VDF is that these true patriots are out there giving thier time, and most of the time at a financial loss to support operations to help the commonwealth. While those who have silly or uneducated comments are sit around judging people who actually are doing something to better thier community.

SO WHILE YOU SIT ON THE COUCH OR SURF THE INTERNET WHILE THE WORLD FALLS APART AROUND YOU REMEBER YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY INSTEAD OF BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: They earned their colors ()
Date: October 06, 2011 06:20PM

They've done alot of good in the past and I like their attitude. They are 100% grit and determination. Cheers to you guys. I think JBass is part of their cadre.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: GODZIRRA ()
Date: October 06, 2011 06:44PM

eesh Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
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> >
> http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/images/mg_john_taylor.
>
> > jpg
> >
> > LOL

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: You left You left left right left ()
Date: October 06, 2011 06:50PM

VDF is below CERT!

Lots of talk, even more no action.

They have wannabe MP's that are NOT sworn officers of any US LAW. Although they take an oath, the oath protects and serves the Governor. And yes, they could be armed, however, martial law would have to be declared. And even then, they would have no jurisdiction.

Its a good idea, however, with no standards, NO physical requirements... other than a beating heart, it renders the public useless. Directing traffic and looking tough is the biggest thing they do. Check em out at the next Apple Blossom or Occoquan Arts festival. Or they go steal the real glory that should be rendered only to troops serving over seas at the Rolling Thunder thing at the Pentagon.

I feel sad for them.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wheten ()
Date: October 06, 2011 07:13PM

I say when the bad guys come, the more good guys we have in uniform and are willing to meet them, the better it is for us. We will have superior training, weaponry, tactics and manpower. There is strength in numbers.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Champion ()
Date: October 06, 2011 07:36PM

I remember when Gov. Kaine was sworn-in at the Old Capitol Building in Williamsburg because the State Capitol was being renovated at the time. The VDF ran the whole thing. They were all over. They do a good job of handling the official functions of the state. You will see them at major state ceremonies.

What's crazier is we still have a State School to train officers for the Virginia Military.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: imposters ()
Date: October 07, 2011 10:57AM

Wheten Wrote:
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> I say when the bad guys come, the more good guys
> we have in uniform and are willing to meet them,
> the better it is for us. We will have superior
> training, weaponry, tactics and manpower. There
> is strength in numbers.


What 1000 people and usually only half show up?

But since they receive NO firearms training (unless they do it unofficially) in case of a terror attack....these people will not be able to do diddly squat other than basic traffic control or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with wooden riot batons is a joke

97% of the VDF is out of shape, and suffer some sort of medical issue. Now I do commend their effort in trying to serve the citizens of Virginia....perhaps they can do so in other forms.

Now there is NO basic training....just show, swear in and put on the costume. Monthly drills are very basic and less than what a CERT class teaches. Drills consist of endless DnC, teaching people on how to look bad ass, and 72 hour pack checks of misused national guard MREs.

I had joined for about a week.....and once I started getting thanks for "serving our nation over seas" by the average citizen, I felt embarrassed and decided to withdraw. I then went to the REAL ENLISTED Military.

Now do realize that many of VDF are now retired military.....that still does not count as an official 'defense force'....they are not swat, nor are they special ops, and I digress about them screening their folks. Anyone can join so they can inflate their numbers.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 07, 2011 11:40AM

HHC331SG Wrote:
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> The difference between those who guack and
> make snide remarks about the selfless volunteers
> in the VDF is that these true patriots are out
> there giving thier time, and most of the time at a
> financial loss to support operations to help the
> commonwealth.





So please tell us what you did, in detail, to help Virginia during the recent earthquake and hurricane.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF Big shot ()
Date: October 07, 2011 12:43PM

eesh Wrote:
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> HHC331SG Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The difference between those who guack and
> > make snide remarks about the selfless
> volunteers
> > in the VDF is that these true patriots are out
> > there giving thier time, and most of the time at
> a
> > financial loss to support operations to help
> the
> > commonwealth.
>
>
>
>
> So please tell us what you did, in detail, to help
> Virginia during the recent earthquake and
> hurricane.


We did alot of stuff, alot of good for our fellow man. I'll bet you didn't do anything!!! We are and always will be the unsung heros during a disaster, the fireman, police and National guard are the attention mongers and grabbers. We are what Ernie Pyle (WW2 correspondent) describes as the "Backbone", the Dogface, the GI Joe. We seek no glory, doing good is it's just reward.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Serious question ()
Date: October 07, 2011 07:09PM

I'm contemplating joining your outfit. Is there a training period involved? How or rather who furnishes uniforms and other required equipment? What is the rank structure, is it comparable with the military, I mean enlisted and officers, a chain of command. How do/where do I join? Thanks. Also age requirements, weight, personal data, what are the specs.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: friskydingo ()
Date: October 07, 2011 07:51PM

imposters Wrote:
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> Wheten Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> these people will not be able to
> do diddly squat other than basic traffic control
> or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with
> wooden riot batons is a joke
>

When you say they will be doing "red and yellow tagging," do you mean triage of injured type stuff?

Id hate for one of these inbread VDF people to be the person who decides when I get treatment.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: October 11, 2011 03:48AM

I have just read a few of the comments posted here and I must say I didn't know we had so many cowards brave enough to attack people who serve. They hide behind cool internet nicknames, safe in knowing they would never go down to a National Guard armory and say anything they've written to a VDF members face. Nor for that matter to a National Guardsmans face. Yes, I'm a VDF member, no John Smith isn't my name. I must still concern myself with the UCMJ, which is state law as well as federal. What these cowards don't get, and will never get, just like when I was on active duty in the federal forces it's not about guns, or training, or uniforms, or if you're in shape or not. It's about the oath, will you give your life to protect strangers if ordered to do so. Yes some are too fat or too old by federal standards, but they're not serving in the federal military. Can they do the job they're being asked to do, yes. Are they willing to do what is ordered to protect people, even people who make fun of them, even if it may cost them their life, yes. I looked and looked for one comment that was posted that didn't sound like someone from middle school posted it, I couldn't find one. Yes, I was upset at first, but now. Now, I just feel sorry for those who have nothing better in there lives, nothing to look forward to, but to try and show everyone how cool they are. They have all the answers because they've served in so many other groups and done so much good in the world themselves. Oh, that's right, they don't. They sit in the basement of there mom's house, in there underwear, telling everyone how they have all the answers. Makes me wonder, the VDF doesn't take persons with felonies, did someone get turned down? In closing, as I said VDF members are subject to, under state law, the UCMJ. Under International Law, VDF members are soldiers with all the rights under the law. Its only requirement, that we be in uniform of a lawful government, we are Virginia. Get out of that basement once in a while and you could learn something real. Now before I go I know some idiot out there is going to want to reply and get into a text war. Sorry, but I won't be visiting this site again. I need to continue my VDF work, church group, the volunteer rescue squad and fire company; you know, a life, get one and stop bitching about others. To my fellow VDF members and all police, fire, red cross, and military personel, thank you. And anyone wanting to join the VDF, do it. Don't let these idiot think for you. There's a lot of class work with FEMA and other state agencies, but it's not that hard. Well for most, maybe these guys couldn't pass the tests. Trust me the first time you're called to active duty and you're working side by side with a National Guardmans, no one will care what your uniform says. Besides, the MRE's aren't that bad, ha. ha.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: state employee ()
Date: October 11, 2011 04:38AM

friskydingo Wrote:
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> imposters Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wheten Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > these people will not be able to
> > do diddly squat other than basic traffic
> control
> > or tagging red and yellow tags. Training with
> > wooden riot batons is a joke
> >
>
> When you say they will be doing "red and yellow
> tagging," do you mean triage of injured type
> stuff?
>
> Id hate for one of these inbread VDF people to be
> the person who decides when I get treatment.


I work at one of the local armories from time to time. When the VDF has the armory booked for the weekend the real guardsmen make sure not to be there. They call them nutcase freaks and want nothing to do with them.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: on the other hand ()
Date: October 11, 2011 07:34AM

And dont regular military call the Guard weekend warriors?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 11, 2011 08:31AM

on the other hand Wrote:
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> And dont regular military call the Guard weekend
> warriors?




Yes, the Active Army looks down on the National Guard, and it would seem the National Guard looks down on the VDF.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 11, 2011 08:34AM

John Smith Wrote:
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> They hide behind cool internet nicknames...

> ...Yes, I'm a VDF member, no John Smith isn't my name.



LOL!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Private PlaysW/HISparts ()
Date: October 11, 2011 08:45AM

eesh Wrote:
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>
>
> Yes, the Active Army looks down on the National
> Guard, and it would seem the National Guard looks
> down on the VDF.


Shut it, eesh...


Your fat ass couldn't cut it in the Military, Guard, or VDF.


That's why you hate the VDF...because they rejected you after you got the boot from the Military.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: LOLOLOLOL ()
Date: October 11, 2011 07:01PM

Here is a photo of eesh! Do we wonder why he is the way he is?
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 30, 2012 11:56PM

So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians during this state of emergency?



LOL, of course not.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: July 01, 2012 06:07AM

LMAO... I love the "stable citizen" comment.

No. If these guys didn't have some issues, they wouldn't be dressing in BDUs.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: July 01, 2012 06:12AM

"and it would seem the National Guard looks down on the VDF."

I can tell you that with certainty.

These guys are out there buying surplus military uniforms, and showing up in places where the Guard might actually be. In the dark, would the average person notice that these guys are just playing "dress-up"?

If they were interested in become a respectable unit of their own, they would distinguish themselves as an identifiable group, instead of dressing up as wanna-be G.I.Joes.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: July 01, 2012 06:18AM

Just watched the video that "Keepin it Real" posted...

These folks seem to be like a self-deluded "National Guard Booster Club".

Some of the things they "claim" to do are fairly scary:

Assist the mobilization of the National Guard
Provide military reserve for the Guard
Support Guard families in need
Respond to the Governors call as a military force.
Control Guard facilities in their absence

WTF is that last one again???

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Know more than eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 04:16AM

eesh Wrote:
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> So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> during this state of emergency?
>
>
>
> LOL, of course not.


As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were activated and boots on the ground as you were idling on this site. These volunteer citizen soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless service.

What did you do during this state of emergency?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 05:22AM

Know more than eesh Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> > during this state of emergency?
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL, of course not.
>
>
> As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> activated and boots on the ground as you were
> idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know
> first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless
> service.
>
> What did you do during this state of emergency?






What exactly did your husband do during activation? What sort of assistance did the National Guard and civilian agencies need from the VDF?


And to answer your question with a question, what did you do while your husband was "honorably serving during Derecho"?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Know more than eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 06:34AM

OMG, eesh---

It seems obvious to anyone reading your ramblings here that all you do is monitor this site and attack the VDF. Suggest you do something more productive in life so your mother can be happy that she gave birth to you.

You haven't answered my question... but, we all know. As vidence from the time and date of your posting, you were lurking on this site for the duration of the state of emergency that we were under.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: king of clog ()
Date: July 14, 2012 08:25AM

Know more than eesh Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So.....is the VDF out there helping Virginians
> > during this state of emergency?
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL, of course not.
>
>
> As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> activated and boots on the ground as you were
> idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I know
> first hand... my husband was activated. Selfless
> service.
>
> What did you do during this state of emergency?


That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing. There is only one instance where about 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane a few years back that never made landfall. They had to beg the state to help out first responders but in all reality never did a thing. Half the time they show up to stuff unanounced and stair. More or less one could compare the vdf to the boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base or aromry durring a units deployment overseas which another poster had mentioned. All they do is traffic control durring public events and set up chairs for special events at pickett and ap hill. They should be embarrased they sport a military uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen soilders.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: dr no ()
Date: July 14, 2012 08:53AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> JGHarris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I have a Collage degree
>
> Were you an Art major?

Maybe but whatever he studied they didnt teach about the use of paragraphs. Saying you have a college degree these days is like twenty years ago saying you had a high school diploma. It means zilch anymore.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Know more than eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 11:47AM

You should check your source before you put out information that is incorrect.

The hurricane that you referred to "a few years back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less than year ago that the VDF was activated in anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the forecast of Irene's path up our coast.

You should confirm your source before you run your mouth stating, "That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long, Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks ago before you call me a liar.

Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false accusations and information that you, eech, etal have posted on this site, for no other purpose but to disparage the members of the VDF who place the welfare of our state before their own.

Haters will be haters...

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 02:45PM


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 02:45PM



Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Know more than eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 03:18PM

king of clog Wrote:
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> Know more than eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So.....is the VDF out there helping
> Virginians
> > > during this state of emergency?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL, of course not.
> >
> >
> > As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> > activated and boots on the ground as you were
> > idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> > soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I
> know
> > first hand... my husband was activated.
> Selfless
> > service.
> >
> > What did you do during this state of emergency?
>
>
> That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not
> do a thing. There is only one instance where about
> 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane a
> few years back that never made landfall. They had
> to beg the state to help out first responders but
> in all reality never did a thing. Half the time
> they show up to stuff unanounced and stair. More
> or less one could compare the vdf to the
> boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base or
> aromry durring a units deployment overseas which
> another poster had mentioned. All they do is
> traffic control durring public events and set up
> chairs for special events at pickett and ap hill.
> They should be embarrased they sport a military
> uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen
> soilders.

You should check your source before you put out information that is incorrect.

The hurricane that you referred to "a few years back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less than year ago that the VDF was activated in anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the forecast of Irene's path up our coast.

You should confirm your source before you run your mouth stating, "That is complete and utter bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long, Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks ago before you call me a liar.

Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false accusations and information that you, eesh, etal have posted on this site, for no other purpose but to disparage the members of the VDF who place the welfare of our state before their own.

Haters will be haters.

Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in life is to put down others who have chosen to serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's current posting "Smile!".

What a pathetic life for poor Eesh.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 07:55PM

Know more than eesh Wrote:
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> Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in
> life is to put down others who have chosen to
> serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever
> capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's
> current posting "Smile!".
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 08:08PM

VDF in action. LOL


The video shows a bunch of pretend soldiers wearing ill-fitting reflector vests doing some sort of half-assed traffic control.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: dulles attendee ()
Date: July 14, 2012 08:26PM

I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually see them with some kind of booth setup. They seem nice enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for their own stuff so who can fault that?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 14, 2012 08:32PM

dulles attendee Wrote:
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> I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually see
> them with some kind of booth setup. They seem nice
> enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for their
> own stuff so who can fault that?




They receive over $200,000 a year for funding.


For 2013, Virginia is reducing their budget though....http://dpb.virginia.gov/budget/buddoc12/agency.cfm?agency=123



Reduce recruiting publications
Reduces the printing of recruitment publications for the Virginia Defense Force.

Reduce Virginia Defense Force flying hours
Reduces the flying hours of the Virginia Defense Force aviation battalion.

Eliminate Virginia Defense Force Riverine operations
Eliminates the Virginia Defense Force Riverine Detachment unit.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: enlighten ()
Date: July 14, 2012 11:26PM

eesh Wrote:
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> dulles attendee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I met one of their guys at a gun show. Usually
> see
> > them with some kind of booth setup. They seem
> nice
> > enough. Its all volunteer and they pay for
> their
> > own stuff so who can fault that?
>
>
>
>
> They receive over $200,000 a year for funding.
>
>
> For 2013, Virginia is reducing their budget
> though....http://dpb.virginia.gov/budget/buddoc12/
> agency.cfm?agency=123
>
>
>
> Reduce recruiting publications
> Reduces the printing of recruitment publications
> for the Virginia Defense Force.
>
> Reduce Virginia Defense Force flying hours
> Reduces the flying hours of the Virginia Defense
> Force aviation battalion.
>
> Eliminate Virginia Defense Force Riverine
> operations
> Eliminates the Virginia Defense Force Riverine
> Detachment unit.



Eesh-- every new post here from you confirms you're obsessed with the VDF. Why are you so obsessed with this organization? Maybe they did rejected you with their low requirements to join. Rejection is hard to take. Get over it and move on with your life!

"Haters will be haters.

Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in life is to put down others who have chosen to serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's current posting...

What a pathetic life for poor Eesh."

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: wasteful spending ()
Date: July 14, 2012 11:37PM

Joining VDF isn't serving annything, it's like an adult boy scout troop. plenty of charities provide these services, and the vdf is only a group in namesake that isnt taken seriously anywhere in the state except a few nerds who get their jollies wearing a uniform.

vdf should be a BUDGET CUT, not an expenditure. big waste of tax dollars.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ito ()
Date: July 14, 2012 11:53PM

From looking at the photos, it looks like the Virginia Defense Forces could defend the Commonwealth against a box of donuts.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: bat masterson ()
Date: July 15, 2012 01:02AM

200k a year isn't much at all. Besides they arent hurting anybody. They seem to be giving back to the community in their own way.
Rather have them get the funds then some social program to provide cell phones to welfare moms.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Axe the VDF ()
Date: July 15, 2012 07:53PM

wasteful spending Wrote:
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> Joining VDF isn't serving annything, it's like an
> adult boy scout troop. plenty of charities
> provide these services, and the vdf is only a
> group in namesake that isnt taken seriously
> anywhere in the state except a few nerds who get
> their jollies wearing a uniform.
>
> vdf should be a BUDGET CUT, not an expenditure.
> big waste of tax dollars.

+ 1

Cut the baloney program. Ax the VDF pointless crapfest.

If you killed the VDF, took half of the amount that would have been wasted on the VDF, and direct that money toward the various SAR organizations under the VDEM's umbrella... you would do far more good for the state than those VDF fatbodies going around and begging to be permitted to direct traffic for parades.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: king of clog ()
Date: July 16, 2012 05:50PM

Know more than eesh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> king of clog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Know more than eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > eesh Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > So.....is the VDF out there helping
> > Virginians
> > > > during this state of emergency?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL, of course not.
> > >
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, members of the VDF were
> > > activated and boots on the ground as you were
> > > idling on this site. These volunteer citizen
> > > soldiers served honorably during Derecho. I
> > know
> > > first hand... my husband was activated.
> > Selfless
> > > service.
> > >
> > > What did you do during this state of
> emergency?
> >
> >
> > That is complete and utter bullshit. They did
> not
> > do a thing. There is only one instance where
> about
> > 20 of them were activated durring that hurricane
> a
> > few years back that never made landfall. They
> had
> > to beg the state to help out first responders
> but
> > in all reality never did a thing. Half the time
> > they show up to stuff unanounced and stair.
> More
> > or less one could compare the vdf to the
> > boyscouts. Also, they have never secured a base
> or
> > aromry durring a units deployment overseas
> which
> > another poster had mentioned. All they do is
> > traffic control durring public events and set
> up
> > chairs for special events at pickett and ap
> hill.
> > They should be embarrased they sport a military
> > uniform, have ranks and call themselves citizen
> > soilders.
>
> You should check your source before you put out
> information that is incorrect.
>
> The hurricane that you referred to "a few years
> back" was Hurricane Irene, which was just less
> than year ago that the VDF was activated in
> anticipation of Hurricane Irene based on the
> forecast of Irene's path up our coast.
>
> You should confirm your source before you run your
> mouth stating, "That is complete and utter
> bullshit. They did not do a thing." Suggest you
> contact The Adjuant General (GEN Daniel E. Long,
> Jr.) of VA and confirm that the VDF was not an
> active force during our state of emergency 2 weeks
> ago before you call me a liar.
>
> Your mothers should be embarrassed with your false
> accusations and information that you, eesh, etal
> have posted on this site, for no other purpose but
> to disparage the members of the VDF who place the
> welfare of our state before their own.
>
> Haters will be haters.
>
> Eesh has once again shown that his only mission in
> life is to put down others who have chosen to
> serve, especially members of the VDF, in whatever
> capacity they can, in times of need, by Eesh's
> current posting "Smile!".
>
> What a pathetic life for poor Eesh.


How many of those slobs did they activate? 2? 3? I like the part were you put serve, you are not serving shit, the only think you loosers do is have pizza parties and wear cammo pretending to be a soilders. Just to let you know a good 90% of ppl think you suck and laugh at the VDF when seen doing traffic control at parades and linger around shows. FYI soilders hate you!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Mopic ()
Date: July 16, 2012 06:24PM

How many of those slobs did they activate? 2? 3? I like the part were you put serve, you are not serving shit, the only think you loosers do is have pizza parties and wear cammo pretending to be a soilders. Just to let you know a good 90% of ppl think you suck and laugh at the VDF when seen doing traffic control at parades and linger around shows. FYI soilders hate you!


"Journalist" must not have been your MOS. Dude, your spelling...sheesh!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 27, 2012 01:53PM

With Hurricane Sandy coming, what is the VDF doing to help Virginia?

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Posted by: Matthew ()
Date: October 27, 2012 02:01PM


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf douches ()
Date: October 29, 2012 01:37PM

please tell me these dumbasses arent out there today fumbling around with the hurricane effort. what exactly are these nimrods protecting?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF member ()
Date: November 01, 2012 05:28PM

During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various locations directly with NG units, including at the VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to provide communications between the NG units and their command structure, and to provide feed back and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have never had a better working relationship. Please understand that we are not serving to be a replacement for the NG, but rather very much to support and enhance their mission...and from first hand knowledge we did just that.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: don. ()
Date: November 01, 2012 05:54PM

VDF member Wrote:
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> During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on
> state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various
> locations directly with NG units, including at the
> VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to
> provide communications between the NG units and
> their command structure, and to provide feed back
> and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I
> can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have
> never had a better working relationship. Please
> understand that we are not serving to be a
> replacement for the NG, but rather very much to
> support and enhance their mission...and from first
> hand knowledge we did just that.


In other words hang around the guard base and do nothing such as you always do. You did not privide any communications execpt with your other VDF wanna bee weekend soilders . Only reason they even let you guys sit around this time was because you guys cry all the time about not participating in real events. VDF is a funny bunch for sure and the ass end of all jokes.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: wanna know ()
Date: November 01, 2012 06:04PM

they call traffic control missions?

http://vdfmp.us/wordpress/2012/07/nps-mission/

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf member ()
Date: November 01, 2012 06:06PM

Whatever you want to think. The organization has changed radically in the last couple years, especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones listed on this thread above, but is much more oriented towards direct support for the NG especially in providing comms. Shelter support will be the next big goal.

And I can assure you, before, during, and after Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms for the deployed NG units between their field locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week, 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the TAG, and that is what we did.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf? ()
Date: November 01, 2012 06:10PM

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.

they look like a bunch of queers

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: yea ok ()
Date: November 01, 2012 06:14PM

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.


No, u were secondary com. Don't lie.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf member ()
Date: November 01, 2012 06:22PM

I really dont care what you think, and obviously debating on an anonymous forum is useless. Feel free to ask any of the NG pax deployed this week, or check the webeoc logs if you can.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf member ()
Date: November 02, 2012 12:33AM

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/ check the 4th paragraph and the last one.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: furegular ()
Date: November 02, 2012 12:34AM

Give it a rest vdfmember . . .

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: November 02, 2012 02:01AM

VDF member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> During Sandy, a high total of 65 VDF pax were on
> state active duty. All were deployed at 13 various
> locations directly with NG units, including at the
> VEOC and the NG JOC. Our specific mission was to
> provide communications between the NG units and
> their command structure, and to provide feed back
> and updates for missions via the webeoc system. I
> can honestly state that the NG and the VDF have
> never had a better working relationship. Please
> understand that we are not serving to be a
> replacement for the NG, but rather very much to
> support and enhance their mission...and from first
> hand knowledge we did just that.






So......you are trying to say is that the VA National Guard has to depend on the Virginia Defense Force for tactical field communications?


They have nonexistent C2 unless the Virginia Defense Force is involved?

Are you serious?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2012 02:21AM by eesh.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf member ()
Date: November 02, 2012 10:57AM

Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to believe me, let the NG say it.

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
4th paragraph.

I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks who volunteer and contribute to the best of their ability. I will even grant you that the organization has had problems in the past; mostly due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying is that times have changed and the organization has as well.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: November 03, 2012 03:25AM

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to
> believe me, let the NG say it.
>
> http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
> 4th paragraph.
>
> I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks
> who volunteer and contribute to the best of their
> ability. I will even grant you that the
> organization has had problems in the past; mostly
> due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying
> is that times have changed and the organization
> has as well.




No, people that "volunteer and contribute to the best of their ability" are part of the Red Cross. The Virginia Defense Force is for people that can't handle or be qualified for the National Guard, and they end up being a fifth wheel with the "mission support" they seemingly provide. The VDF gets roughly $200k in funding every year from the state. That money could go to something worthwhile, like equipment purchases for state agencies or funding for training actual National Guardsman.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: local yokel ()
Date: November 03, 2012 08:48AM

As part of my job I work at a local armory from time to time. When the real NG guys hear that the VDF is going to have a weekend event at the armory they make sure to stay away. They say that the VDF people are a bunch of useless jock sniffers. VDF people remind me of volunteer fireman who are desperate for attention because their parents gave them little or no attention when they were young. I think the VDF does provide a little service for the public but I would never want to hang out with a VDF member as they all have mental issues.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: AVgas ()
Date: November 03, 2012 10:09AM

VDF people remind me of volunteer fireman who are desperate for attention


You remind me of an asshole who works in an "armory," who is desperate for attention

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: little boys with toys ()
Date: November 04, 2012 06:28AM

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Whatever you want to think. The organization has
> changed radically in the last couple years,
> especially moving from a "militia" to a Civil
> Affairs mandate. The leadership has been tasked to
> cut a lot of dead wood, and they have. The mission
> has changed a lot; ostensibly it is still the ones
> listed on this thread above, but is much more
> oriented towards direct support for the NG
> especially in providing comms. Shelter support
> will be the next big goal.
>
> And I can assure you, before, during, and after
> Sandy the VDF was directly providing mission comms
> for the deployed NG units between their field
> locations and the JOC and then to VEOC all week,
> 24 hrs. This was our mission as assigned by the
> TAG, and that is what we did.


The VDF is ready to kick some serious ass! lol!
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF MP ()
Date: November 12, 2012 09:17PM

Actually the VDF has Armories and can be armed under direction from the Governer. The VDF does not train armed as a whole, but VDF personnel are premitted to train on their own with firarms.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF MP ()
Date: November 12, 2012 09:20PM

^
Firearms*........lol.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vdf member ()
Date: December 06, 2012 05:54PM

I realize fully that I am just stepping back into the troll den, but I wanted to reply to VDF MP and state that NO, categorically, your statement "Actually the VDF has Armories and can be armed under direction from the Governer." is mostly wrong. We do NOT have armories, we use VNG Armories as training locations except for Waller Depot in Richmond, which we share with some Federal Organizations. And with the emphasis on moving to a Civic Support organization, there is zero, nada, zip chance of the Gov. ever authorizing the VDF to be armed. I would be one of the first to quit if they were.

And, in support of my previous statement concerning our tasking to provide communications for the NG, please at least read the below link before slamming me again. I realize the organization was in many ways a joke in the past, but things are changing. This is a Va NG website:

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/27/2567/

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Just a question ()
Date: December 06, 2012 07:33PM

Just witnessed you guys at the chantilly gun show ( sorry looking bunch to say the least). Has anyone ever spit in your face for being a pretend Soldier? Kinda weird you guys give yourself ranks when real Soldiers are getting thier legs blown off. You guys should ditch the cammo and a few pounds.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: December 07, 2012 08:45AM

yo
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fat soldier.jpg
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phony.jpg

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ralph Pootawn ()
Date: December 07, 2012 08:51AM

Just a question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just witnessed you guys at the chantilly gun show
> ( sorry looking bunch to say the least). Has
> anyone ever spit in your face for being a pretend
> Soldier? Kinda weird you guys give yourself ranks
> when real Soldiers are getting thier legs blown
> off. You guys should ditch the cammo and a few
> pounds.


You hate them because they're not in Fairfax celebrating diversity with you, hating their lives like you do, and being a phony, like you.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 07, 2012 03:03PM

BEH Wrote:
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> yo





HA
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF member ()
Date: December 13, 2012 06:02PM

Hey, if ya wanna turn this into a thread posting pics of hot girls in Spetnaz uniform (pieces), I'm down with that...

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 22nd Airbourne ()
Date: December 22, 2012 08:36AM

vdf member Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um, no, that is not what I said. You dont have to
> believe me, let the NG say it.
>
> http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/01/2431/
> 4th paragraph.
>
> I get it; for whatever reason you despise folks
> who volunteer and contribute to the best of their
> ability. I will even grant you that the
> organization has had problems in the past; mostly
> due to not having a real purpose. All I am saying
> is that times have changed and the organization
> has as well.


I you are going to volunteer and contribute you should volunteer for an organization that actually does something for the community. The VDF is just a bunch of losers who need some sort of attention.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: decker ()
Date: December 25, 2012 02:29PM

VA Defense Force is currently recruiting for the "Black Ponies." I can't believe the level of disrespect I am hearing from everyone here about the VA Defense Force. Sure some of our battle buddies have their parents drive them to drill and some of us may get in hissy fits with one another but at the end of the day we are a team. We are definitely a force to be reckoned with. You wouldn't believe how many women drop like flies when I walk into a bar and tell them I am part of the black ponies. Our standards are some of the highest, our boot camp is not for the weak it separates the tiny hearts from the big ones if you know what I mean. Some of our members might be out of shape but I guarantee they will out PT you in any event! I really think the citizens of VA should start recognizing the service we provide for the state and the community. I also think we deserve the same benefits that the NG and the military receives such as commissary and PX privileges.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Private Paarts ()
Date: December 25, 2012 06:17PM

Yeah right, black ponies? WTF? There used to be some tall wannabe at GMU who had a black pony tattoo on his forearm. We would laugh at him cause ge would call himself a soldier with ZERO active duty service. What a poser! Probably a queer who enjoyed that punjabi punanni! He had all thses stories about training with compasses, telling time by looking at the sun, and all these black ops types of drills. See I am a redneck, and wouldnt even join the ranks of these false posers.

Say NO to the VDF. They a fake militia.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: CERTenly3456765 ()
Date: December 28, 2012 08:18AM

This not CERT. These people come to CERT.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Concerned Mom ()
Date: December 28, 2012 09:38AM

CERT in the HOUSE! CERT kick ass and LIFT Buildings!

Duct Tape...CERT got it! Wow, kazoom! Don't wanna VFD, want CERT!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: CERTenly3456765 ()
Date: December 28, 2012 09:43AM

Why make fun of me? That not nice.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: pink2hiscamo ()
Date: January 07, 2013 07:11AM

I am amazed at just how long this has been open. Holy stones, Batman! I see nothing wrong with this organization. Yes, it has it's faults. But, really. Some people have other reasons to participate than, "playing dress up," or "playing soldier." I am participating while I make my final decision on Army, National Guard, or Reserves. I also have the discipline of a cat and would have my ass handed to me if I had to go through BCT at the moment.

My boyfriend is a US Soldier and he is my biggest supporter. He and I go hand-to-hand sometimes so I can train further. His buddies support my decision also. I have family in Virginia National Guard, who talked highly of VaDF before they knew I was a part of it.

I know I am not the only VaDF member in VaDF who is doing it while making decisions, or waiting for BCT/Boot. I'm just giving another perspective on the group. Love me, hate me, I couldn't care less.

Respectfully,
-P

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 404ed ()
Date: January 07, 2013 07:16AM

Is this shit for real? Fucking LOL.

Should be called the Virginia Special Defense Force.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: weblos ()
Date: January 08, 2013 08:00PM

404ed Wrote:
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> Is this shit for real? Fucking LOL.
>
> Should be called the Virginia Special Defense
> Force.

Boy scouts who never grew up.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: NG69W ()
Date: January 08, 2013 11:03PM

VDF- every time I hear the name it puts a big smile on my face. Who ever made the pic " I want you" above gets +100 points. LMFAO. Please people more photowshop pics

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Tokyo ()
Date: January 09, 2013 07:02AM

Ultimately my question here is does the real military have do render these clowns the same customs and courtousies? I would have a real issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use that term loosly.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDF officer ()
Date: March 20, 2013 08:17PM

Tokyo Wrote:
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> Ultimately my question here is does the real
> military have do render these clowns the same
> customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at
> parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the
> fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use
> that term loosly.


If I am in uniform you are required to salute me.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: yikes! ()
Date: March 20, 2013 08:21PM

Tokyo Wrote:
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> Ultimately my question here is does the real
> military have do render these clowns the same
> customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand at
> parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by the
> fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I use that term loosly.



same with your spelling

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 20, 2013 08:53PM

VDF officer Wrote:
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> Tokyo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ultimately my question here is does the real
> > military have do render these clowns the same
> > customs and courtousies? I would have a real
> > issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand
> at
> > parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> > pretty much earned his rank by saving up to by
> the
> > fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and I
> use
> > that term loosly.
>
>
> If I am in uniform you are required to salute me.




If you don't have a commission, there is no requirement to salute. You are a pseudo-officer. Saluting you would be like saluting a Securitas or Allied Barton guard at a lobby desk.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ty9xY ()
Date: March 21, 2013 01:18AM

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."


LOLZ... I wonder who that might be?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: fakerrr ()
Date: March 24, 2013 09:01PM

yikes! Wrote:
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> Tokyo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ultimately my question here is does the real
> > military have do render these clowns the
> same
> > customs and courtousies? I would have a
> real
> > issue if I were NG doing drill and had to stand
> at
> > parade rest for some VDF master sergeant who
> > pretty much earned his rank by saving up to
> by the
> > fucking pin! Or saluting a VDF officer, and
> I use that term loosly.
>
>
>
> same with your spelling
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VDFInfo ()
Date: March 25, 2013 12:09AM

§ 44-98. Interference with employment of members of Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia.

A person, who either by himself, or with another, deprives a member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force or naval militia of his employment or prevents, by himself or another, such member being employed, or obstructs or annoys such member or his employer at his trade, business or employment, because such member of such organization is such member, dissuades any person from enlistment in the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force or naval militia by threat or injury to him in his employment, trade or business, in case he shall so enlist, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be fined in a sum not exceeding $500, or imprisonment in jail not more than 30 days, or shall suffer both fine and imprisonment.

(1930, p. 967; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(83); 1958, c. 393; 1984, c. 765; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)


§ 44-93.4. Discrimination against persons who serve in the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia; and acts of reprisal prohibited.

A. A member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia who performs, has performed, applies to perform, or has an obligation to perform state active duty or military duty pursuant to Title 32 of the United States Code shall not be denied initial employment, reemployment, retention in employment, promotion, or any benefit of employment by an employer on the basis of that membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation.

B. A person shall be considered to have denied a member of the Virginia National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, or naval militia initial employment, reemployment, retention in employment, promotion, or a benefit of employment in violation of this section if the member's membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation for service is a motivating factor in that person's action, unless the person can prove by the greater weight of the evidence that the same unfavorable action would have taken place in the absence of the member's membership, application for membership, performance of service, application for service, or obligation for service.



§ 44-83. Pay and allowance of officers and enlisted persons.

When called into active state duty, not in the service of the United States, officers of the National Guard shall receive the same pay and allowances as prescribed for officers of like rank in the United States armed forces. For each day of such service, enlisted persons of the National Guard shall receive the same pay, rations, and allowances as enlisted persons of like grade of the United States armed forces. For each day of service, members of the Virginia Defense Force called to state active duty shall receive the same pay, rations, and allowances as persons of like grade in the United States Armed Forces. When rations are not issued, the value of the same shall be commuted and paid by the Adjutant General.

(1930, p. 964; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(69); 1958, c. 393; 1988, c. 352; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)


§ 18.2-488.1. Flag at half mast for certain public safety personnel killed in the line of duty.

A. As used in this section, unless the context requires a different meaning:

"Emergency medical services provider" means the same as that term is defined in § 32.1-111.1, and any member of a volunteer lifesaving crew or rescue squad.

"Firefighter" means the same as that term is defined in § 9.1-300, and any member of a volunteer fire department.

"Police officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office which is a part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof and who is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic, or highway laws of the Commonwealth.

"Service member" means a member of the United States armed forces, Virginia National Guard, or Virginia Defense Force.

B. Whenever a service member, police officer, firefighter, or emergency medical services provider who is a resident of Virginia is killed in the line of duty, all flags, state and local, flown at any building owned and operated by the Commonwealth shall be flown at half staff or mast for one day to honor and acknowledge respect for those who made the supreme sacrifice.

C. The Department of General Services shall develop procedures to effectuate the purposes of this section.

(2012, c. 767.)



§ 9.1-801. Public safety officer defined.

As used in this chapter, the term "public safety officer" includes a law-enforcement officer of this Commonwealth or any of its political subdivisions; a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1; a correctional officer employed at a juvenile correctional facility as the term is defined in § 66-25.3; a jail officer; a regional jail or jail farm superintendent; a member of any fire company or department or rescue squad that has been recognized by an ordinance or resolution of the governing body of any county, city or town of this Commonwealth as an integral part of the official safety program of such county, city or town; an arson investigator; a member of the Virginia National Guard or the Virginia Defense Force while such a member is serving in the Virginia National Guard or the Virginia Defense Force on official state duty or federal duty under Title 32 of the United States Code; any special agent of the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board; any police agent appointed under the provisions of § 56-353; any regular or special conservation police officer who receives compensation from a county, city or town or from the Commonwealth appointed pursuant to § 29.1-200; any commissioned forest warden appointed pursuant to § 10.1-1135; any member or employee of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission granted the power to arrest pursuant to § 28.2-900; any Department of Emergency Management hazardous materials officer; any nonfirefighter regional hazardous materials emergency response team member; any investigator who is a full-time sworn member of the security division of the State Lottery Department; any full-time sworn member of the enforcement division of the Department of Motor Vehicles meeting the Department of Criminal Justice Services qualifications, when fulfilling duties pursuant to § 46.2-217; any campus police officer appointed under the provisions of Chapter 17 (§ 23-232 et seq.) of Title 23; and any conservation officer of the Department of Conservation and Recreation commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115.

(2002, c. 150; 2007, c. 87; 2011, cc. 572, 586.)

§ 44-97. Exemption from arrest.

No person belonging to the Virginia National Guard, Virginia State Defense Force or the naval militia shall be arrested on any process issued by or from any civil officer or court, except in cases of felony or breach of the peace, while going to, remaining at or returning from any place at which he may be required to attend for military duty; nor in any case whatsoever while actually engaged in the performance of his military duties, except with the consent of his commanding officer.

(1930, p. 966; Michie Code 1942, § 2673(82); 1984, c. 765.)

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 25, 2013 12:11AM

Was there a point to all that copypasta? You know, Virginia also has laws for CERTs, it doesn't mean they aren't a bunch of old men with walkie talkies and reflector vests.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2013 12:11AM by eesh.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: holms ()
Date: April 08, 2013 04:07PM

Hey man I real soldier.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Omar Bradley ()
Date: April 08, 2013 04:39PM

Ty9xY Wrote:
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> "We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating,
> a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a
> reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We
> had one guy walking around thinking he was a
> reincarnation of Patton."

Love to have pics or more info on this statement

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 08, 2013 05:16PM

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/state-defense-forces-grow-project-new-image-85899393830



After several states reinstituted their defense forces in the late 1980s and early '90s, several media reports detailed some members' paramilitary activities and connections with extremists.


In 1990, the Virginia General Assembly launched an investigation of its state defense force on reports that "a brigade was saving money to buy a tank and other units were practicing ad hoc drug raids," according to a 1991 article in The Nation.

"We were getting complaints," said Gladys Keating, a former Fairfax County, Va., delegate who led a reorganization of the Virginia Defense Force. "We had one guy walking around thinking he was a reincarnation of Patton."

But the problem was mostly lack of oversight, Keating explained: "Nobody had come down and given them a good explanation of what they should be about."

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VA Volunteer ()
Date: June 17, 2013 02:31PM

I can confirm this as well. I was there. VDF commo teams were the main communication link. They are actually quite good at disaster management.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 17, 2013 02:46PM

Where was VDF last week when the Richmond airport had the bomb threat?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: James ()
Date: August 21, 2013 11:24PM

The vast majority of VDF members are squared away. There are a few who could use some serious PT, but don't judge the entire force because of a very few.

Before you judge you should educate yourselves. The primary job of the VDF is to assist the National Guard and state in times of emergency and crisis. VDF members saved three lives during last years hurricane, risking their own lives to do it. The majority of members are former military, not rejects. Many have been forced to retire after 25 or 30 years and they are only in their mid to late fourties - with a lot left to contribute.

All in all they are an outstanding volunteer organization.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: August 22, 2013 10:27PM

i thought it was the national guard. how long ago did they change it?

well milita is any group of citizens legal protecting themselves from theives

i think i'm too old to join or i might (i'm not family - they'd probalby say no anyway)

!!! I see they're welcoming the enemy to control our nat. guard stations.

idiots. probably got free house work for it or a cry story about fairness

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Army Man ()
Date: September 10, 2013 12:18PM

This really exists?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Green Army Man ()
Date: September 10, 2013 03:11PM

Army Man Wrote:
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> This really exists?


They really do exist.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: General Halftrack ()
Date: September 10, 2013 03:21PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: NGA ()
Date: September 10, 2013 06:02PM

James Wrote:
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> The vast majority of VDF members are squared away.
> There are a few who could use some serious PT, but
> don't judge the entire force because of a very
> few.
>
> Before you judge you should educate yourselves.
> The primary job of the VDF is to assist the
> National Guard and state in times of emergency and
> crisis. VDF members saved three lives during last
> years hurricane, risking their own lives to do it.
> The majority of members are former military, not
> rejects. Many have been forced to retire after 25
> or 30 years and they are only in their mid to late
> fourties - with a lot left to contribute.
>
> All in all they are an outstanding volunteer
> organization.


I'm sorry but they are old fools that do nothing but leave a huge mess in the armory after they get their weekend there. They open up half the MRE's and just take the skittles out of them and throw the rest of the MRE back in the box.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: finn ()
Date: September 19, 2013 10:37PM

Maybe a U.S. Marine who is a disabled veteran who served Honorably and has since had several screws in his spine and is now disqualified from further military service and still wants to contribute should feel like a reject if he shows interest or joins the Virginia Defense Force. P.S. And is still fit and well within the weight standards.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: September 20, 2013 05:42AM

That Marine shouldn't take anything said on this forum seriously. 99% of the posters here couldn't make the cut with the VDF on their best day.

That Marine should compare what he and the VDF have to offer one another and see if they would benefit mutually.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 20, 2013 04:58PM

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> That Marine shouldn't take anything said on this
> forum seriously. 99% of the posters here couldn't
> make the cut with the VDF on their best day.
>
> That Marine should compare what he and the VDF
> have to offer one another and see if they would
> benefit mutually.




Vexxxed, are you bipolar? The reason I ask is that I can literally chart your up and down moody posts. It's not simply having a bad day and coming here to vent, it's like every other day you are surly and lash out at people, act impulsively, and try to bring everyone down.

Are you well?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: September 20, 2013 08:14PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Vexxxed, are you bipolar? The reason I ask is that
> I can literally chart your up and down moody
> posts. It's not simply having a bad day and coming
> here to vent, it's like every other day you are
> surly and lash out at people, act impulsively, and
> try to bring everyone down.
>
> Are you well?

Oh Michael, you really DO care!

Aren't you just the sweetest thing worrying your curly little head about me?

Fag.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 20, 2013 08:18PM

Vexxxed,

If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me. I keep everything confidential with Eesh-Client Privilege.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: VaVol ()
Date: October 07, 2013 02:28PM

I served in the United States Marine Corps. I volunteer in a local Volunteer Rescue Squad for the last 16 years. As a VDF volunteer I held the rank of E-6 Staff Sgt. Battalion Medical SNCOIC. I also have trained some of Virginia's finest men and women in the VaNG in combat medicine. I am proud to have served in the Virginia Defense Force. So unless you serve, or have served you have no idea of what you are talking about. So my suggestion to those who like to "bash" people for volunteering is. Volunteer in something. Like your local Rescue Company, or local Fire Company. See if you have the balls to run into a burning building to save a complete strangers life.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: October 07, 2013 02:33PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Teabagger Defense Force ()
Date: October 07, 2013 02:40PM

VaVol Wrote:
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> I served in the United States Marine Corps. I
> volunteer in a local Volunteer Rescue Squad for
> the last 16 years. As a VDF volunteer I held the
> rank of E-6 Staff Sgt. Battalion Medical SNCOIC.
> I also have trained some of Virginia's finest men
> and women in the VaNG in combat medicine. I am
> proud to have served in the Virginia Defense
> Force. So unless you serve, or have served you
> have no idea of what you are talking about. So my
> suggestion to those who like to "bash" people for
> volunteering is. Volunteer in something. Like your
> local Rescue Company, or local Fire Company. See
> if you have the balls to run into a burning
> building to save a complete strangers life.


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Updater ()
Date: December 03, 2013 10:54AM

Lunatic Delegate Mark Cole wants VDF members to have their cars exempt from car tax.

As we all know on FU, the VDF is little more than a state-subsidized play program for people that want to pretend army-

Tell Mark Cole that VDF members should pay car tax- LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

Delegate Mark Cole
P. O. Box 41965
Fredericksburg, VA 22404
(540) 786-3402
Delegate@MarkLCole.com

See proposed legislation at:
http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2014/hb44/fulltext/

...

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Teddy ()
Date: December 04, 2013 09:31AM

This is quite possibly the worst bill I've seen in a while- and by the way, if it passes, I'm joining the VDF to stop paying tax on my truck- see ya later-

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 04, 2013 10:06PM

Teddy Wrote:
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> This is quite possibly the worst bill I've seen in
> a while- and by the way, if it passes, I'm joining
> the VDF to stop paying tax on my truck- see ya
> later-




It's probably the ulterior motive behind this anyway....to boost the recruitment numbers of the VDF. They've been trying to recruit 1000 members total for years now.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Glad that I got out ()
Date: March 16, 2014 08:53PM

Do not think that they will be able to offer any help when the shit hits the fan.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ChY7d ()
Date: March 17, 2014 12:51PM

ahh who didn't kno communist biggest fan of VDF. me very nice love you long time if u let me in the VDF

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who didn't know illegals are trying get in adn get whites out of the VDF ??

it will be all tan in no time once the remaining force gets old or dies in tragic but actaully planned accidents

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pay will then be tripled. they will start training how to put down protests instead of how to protect borders and respond to emergencies

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for a model of exactly how to do this ... see: FCPS

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: ujWJX ()
Date: March 17, 2014 01:13PM

guess who's protesting. illegals dissatisfied with lack of charity ? gov workers who get paid less than jiffy lube employees ?

no. denizens who don't work in gov. and the illegals will outnumber them and be in gov since they vote democrat in solidarity. have all 3x maint jobs.

that is how eurasia parliament works friends

legal there maybe (actually no if you read their new constitutions).

not legal here.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Awesome Sweetness ()
Date: March 17, 2014 01:36PM

ujWJX Wrote:
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> guess who's protesting. illegals dissatisfied
> with lack of charity ? gov workers who get paid
> less than jiffy lube employees ?
>
> no. denizens who don't work in gov. and the
> illegals will outnumber them and be in gov since
> they vote democrat in solidarity. have all 3x
> maint jobs.
>
> that is how eurasia parliament works friends
>
> legal there maybe (actually no if you read their
> new constitutions).
>
> not legal here.

Huh?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 17, 2014 03:32PM

Their Facebook page hasn't been updated in three years....

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Glad tha I got out ()
Date: March 18, 2014 08:05PM

Their Web page is outdated as well

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: You all ungreatful ()
Date: March 18, 2014 09:01PM

Screw all of you haters. The VDF works real hard for the people inside the boundaries of the commonwealth of Virginia it protects. 100% dedication, sweat, blood and tears goes into the training and what is formed is a dedicated individual willing to serve his country. When SHTF you cry baby basement dwelling faggots will be cheering for the VDF when the squads come rolling into town to provide disaster relief, set up coms, disperse food, protect life and property and provide medical treatment. Hate all you want but you civilians will be begging to see the VDF if anything goes down. Show some respect A-holes.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: You all ungreatful ()
Date: March 18, 2014 09:37PM

THINK THE VDF DONT DO ANYTHING? WATCH THE VIDEOS AND EAT YOUR WORDS JERK OFFS!!


This is the sound of war-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQGCO5jpbY

Motivational recruitment video. D company hoorah!-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-YmnFYUoI8

To protect and serve-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neES7l33hRU

You interbnet warrior clowns wish you had what it takes to be in the VDF. Move along only proud serving individuals here to see.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 3L4yx ()
Date: March 18, 2014 09:45PM

Does the VDF constitute as community service? I have 100 court ordered hours for a possession charge.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Glad that I got out ()
Date: March 19, 2014 09:24PM

I was in the VDF for almost twenty years and it came down to being issued a riot baton and a helment to use for crowd control.This gear is kind of useless against an armed mob,don't you think.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 10, 2014 06:17PM

http://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2014/04/10/5156/


More than 160 members of the Virginia Defense Force gathered at Fort Pickett March 29-30, 2014, for a division-directed unit training assembly. Among the activities on the schedule were initial entry training for new members of the VDF, state managed shelter logistics training, an instructor development course, a meeting of operations staffs, and a senior leaders meeting with Maj. Gen. John D. Taylor, the commander of the VDF.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 10, 2014 06:18PM

Maj. Gen. John D. Taylor, the commander of the Virginia Defense Force, meets with senior leaders of the VDF March 29, 2014, at Fort Pickett. In addition to the senior leaders meeting, more than 160 VDF personnel gathered March 29-30 at Fort Pickett for initial entry training, an instructor development course, a meeting of operations staffs, and state managed shelter logistics training.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 10, 2014 06:18PM

Members of the Virginia Defense Force conduct training on state managed shelter logistics March 29, 2014, at Fort Pickett.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Professonal ()
Date: April 11, 2014 06:27PM

Hard core!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: April 21, 2014 02:27AM

I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested in joining the VDF. I'm currently attending business school at Old Dominion University, which I will be graduating with a bachelor's degree in Marketing this time next year. I have questions about the commisssioning process. Could a current VDF member provide me some contact information for someone who can answer my questions?

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 21, 2014 02:32AM

Interested in Joining Wrote:
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> I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested in
> joining the VDF. I'm currently attending business
> school at Old Dominion University, which I will be
> graduating with a bachelor's degree in Marketing
> this time next year. I have questions about the
> commisssioning process. Could a current VDF
> member provide me some contact information for
> someone who can answer my questions?
>
> Thanks for the help.





Assuming this isn't a troll post, why don't you go National Guard? At least you will be paid....

You only need 90 credits to get commissioned in the Guard, and you have until 0-3 to complete your degree.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: April 21, 2014 05:29PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Interested in Joining Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm a Marine Corps veteran and very interested
> in
> > joining the VDF. I'm currently attending
> business
> > school at Old Dominion University, which I will
> be
> > graduating with a bachelor's degree in
> Marketing
> > this time next year. I have questions about
> the
> > commisssioning process. Could a current VDF
> > member provide me some contact information for
> > someone who can answer my questions?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.

>
>
>
>
> Assuming this isn't a troll post, why don't you go
> National Guard? At least you will be paid....
>
> You only need 90 credits to get commissioned in
> the Guard, and you have until 0-3 to complete your
> degree.

I've already done my time active duty and I have no desire for my life to be interrupted for 12 months for overseas deployments.

My interest in joining has nothing to do with money. I live comfortable with my current situation. I miss the comaraderie and the organization of the Marine Corps, but I don't want the hassles either. Deployment within the state of VA is fine with me. There's not a single place in VA that is more than a 6 or 7 hour drive from home.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tony ()
Date: April 27, 2014 02:24PM

Yes,they are around and the Virginia Defense Force has a deep History in Virginia that goes back to the 1600s. And have been involved in many battles. The train at Fort Pickett. And local Armories.Cue sticks, funny:)

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: tony ()
Date: April 27, 2014 02:35PM

Its the common sense factor. I have been in riots shield and baton. With exception of the Watts riots. There have never been shots fired. And helmets have saved me A many of times. And I hope your not the guy that would respond to shots fired!! With a helmet and baton??

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 27, 2014 04:59PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 10, 2014 01:59PM

Members of the Virginia Defense Force operate traffic control points and provide mission command support May 2, 2014, at the Apple Blossom Festival in Winchester, Va. More than 120 members of the all-volunteer VDF from units across the state augmented local law enforcement May 1-3 to help ensure traffic flow for an event that is expected to bring tens of thousands of visitors to the Winchester area. The VDF also took advantage of the mission to train on multiple communication systems and to educate local citizens about their mission and possibly recruit new members.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Glad that I got out ()
Date: May 10, 2014 02:36PM

What about cover discipline?The Drill floor is the same as being outside.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: May 10, 2014 04:42PM

I'm concerned that they put that much planning into volunteer traffic control. Does guiding cars on where to be parked required a mobile command center, Panasonic Toughbooks, and ancient hand held radios?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Glad that I got out ()
Date: May 10, 2014 05:41PM

VDF members use to be deputized for this event.As far as the bling,it is for show.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: CERTainly 35763 ()
Date: May 10, 2014 08:27PM

Where CERT? I bets CERT look good in uniform!

He in picture anywhere?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Vet ()
Date: July 17, 2014 01:14PM

Have you tried drawing it in crayon?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 17, 2014 01:54PM

Vet Wrote:
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> Have you tried drawing it in crayon?





Who are you talking to?

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 20, 2014 01:53PM

The Virginia Defense Force looks downright elite compared to Illinois militias.



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/tim-mcnabb/well-regulated-militia/#more-328860


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: CERTainly 354612 ()
Date: July 20, 2014 05:17PM

Where CERT? I bets CERT look good in uniform!

He in picture anywhere?



POW! ERPERP FZZZLE! CERT no wear UNIFORM. Just fu fu fu DUCK tape to protect JOHNSON when go into building PULL peoples OUT! CERT like to hep folks. NO MEDALS!

CERT rocks!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: RPB ()
Date: September 04, 2014 07:35PM

Is it a requirement that everyone be a cynical a**hole these days? I just moved to VA, 8 years regular army & 15 years government service with DOD. I am also a single dad, guardian of an autistic adult child and am 45. If I volunteer for anything it would have to be the VDF as obviously I can't just mobilize with the guard and deploy for 6 months. But the nasty string of negative comments here remind me that most of you would be better off left to fend for yourselves if disaster strikes. Maybe I won't apply and use my past skills for the state if it means being ridiculed by the back seat drivers of society!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: that picture says it all!^^ ()
Date: September 04, 2014 07:49PM

DO NOT EVEN THINK OF FUCKING WITH US. Some are at attention, some are at ease and the rest don't give a shit!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 04, 2014 10:10PM

RPB Wrote:
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> Is it a requirement that everyone be a cynical
> a**hole these days? I just moved to VA, 8 years
> regular army & 15 years government service with
> DOD. I am also a single dad, guardian of an
> autistic adult child and am 45. If I volunteer for
> anything it would have to be the VDF as obviously
> I can't just mobilize with the guard and deploy
> for 6 months. But the nasty string of negative
> comments here remind me that most of you would be
> better off left to fend for yourselves if disaster
> strikes. Maybe I won't apply and use my past
> skills for the state if it means being ridiculed
> by the back seat drivers of society!





If there's a statewide emergency in Virginia, state level police agencies and the Virginia National Guard will protect the state. What won't be doing any good is the Virginia Defense Force.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Guardsman ()
Date: September 05, 2014 12:29AM

Dude, maybe he doesn't want to join the frickin guard! Maybe he wants to actually serve in the state he lives in. Maybe, while being on active service he saw the guard in Iraq and wondered how those people were allowed to be on active duty. Maybe he sees the VDF as a way to ensure someone is left in the state while the federal government uses and abuses the NG because the regulars continue to get cut. I was a regular by the way, and we used to laugh at the guard guys. Now that I am older and wiser I realize what a total dick I was. I no longer mock those who serve. You will get there too eeesh....one day. And get off the drugs before your NCOIC finds out and has you kicked out.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 05, 2014 12:44AM

Guardsman Wrote:
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> Dude, maybe he doesn't want to join the frickin
> guard! Maybe he wants to actually serve in the
> state he lives in.



If you serve in the National Guard, you serve the state; your governor is your commander in chief. Yes, you can get Title 10 orders, but that's a different conversation.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Join the VDF ()
Date: September 07, 2014 02:16AM

I bin in they VDF Fer 11 yearz. I wuz 47 an Tha judge he says old man, join Tha Miltaree er go ta jayle.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: RBP ()
Date: September 08, 2014 01:57AM

This VDF sh*t has gone too far. From what I can see, they claim to be unarmed and are working for free. That is downright un-American folks! Either they are keeping their guns hidden in the truck and getting paid from a secret fund or else something is seriously wrong here. Has anyone cross-checked the rosters with possible communist agents, runaways and sex-offenders? Bet you will see matches pop up all over the place! Also, what about drug testing? Must be some drugs in use to get these folks to serve without the HUGE benefits of going federal. Volunteer state militias have no historical precedence, did not fight in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, Blackhawk War, Indian Wars, Civil War, Spanish American war. George Washington, Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln were not colonial / state militia officers. Never happened, our founders wanted a large professional army garrisoned at home and overseas during peacetime....everyone knows that. Virginia is especially known for not having any state military tradition going all the way back to the French and Indian Wars.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: former resident ()
Date: September 08, 2014 03:41AM

my old neighbor when I lived in Va was one of these VDF guys. he was a real alky too. used to dress in fatigues, drink beer, and stand on his porch with a gun late at night using binoculars (this was in a cult de sac in centreville, you couldn't see shit except for houses). he ranted a lot about the VDF funding, going oathkeeper, and was in some big trouble with the local fire company for stealing. everyone around us thought he was a real asshole

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: roddyrupp ()
Date: September 09, 2014 11:38PM

I am 17 and in the VDF. This us definately just a stepping stone for me. When I finish my GED I will definately go guard so I can dump these radios and get some real trigger time! Once I have gotten my combat patch in the guard I will totally go regular army and then volunteer for Delta Force. Then I am going to come back to Virginia and use my G I Bill to study police science and go state trooper. I believe in planning these thinges out peopke!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: oif vet ()
Date: September 10, 2014 01:57AM

you made me chuckle.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: oldDonna ()
Date: September 11, 2014 01:06AM

There's this guy in my town who is VDF. He eats out of trashcans while "patroling" our town. He keeps getting in fights with the volunteer firemarshal and some guy who used to be in the sheriff's auxiliary over who will get to be mayor if the governor declares marshal law. The VDF guy sleeps in the top floor of a brick grain silo and points an old broomstick out the broken window while yelling "bang bang, I f*ckin shot you lady." I don't pay attention anymore. That's my experience with the VDF.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: stillcallmebubb ()
Date: September 11, 2014 01:13AM

Hey I read that Virginia is still authorized a "Naval Militia." However they had to disband it in the late 1950's after they were found to be using a surplus Coast Guard cutter to conduct illegal whaling and collecting transit tolls in international waters.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: preptard ()
Date: September 12, 2014 12:52AM

Jesus people, these VDF guys are just waiting to bang on your door and forcibly recruit anyone over 14 years old. While they are at it, they will be "commendeering" all your bisquick, Betty crocker cake mix and any pre-mixed frosting, marshmallow toppings or hard candies. Plus your stock of RC Cola and lots of batteries. Fortunately they have no interest in your guns or your daughters (unless they want to join the VDF of course).

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: glad that i got out ()
Date: December 03, 2014 06:39PM

They can come and get it,however,they are not getting my RC and moon pies.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ferguson needs ()
Date: December 03, 2014 07:00PM

A unit like this is just what is needed in Ferguson. People who are not afraid to "walk the walk and talk the talk".

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 7NEGy ()
Date: December 03, 2014 07:15PM

RPB Wrote:
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> Is it a requirement that everyone be a cynical
> a**hole these days? I just moved to VA, 8 years
> regular army & 15 years government service with
> DOD. I am also a single dad, guardian of an
> autistic adult child and am 45.

Can you join if you are a autistic adult child?

If so they could head up a new brigade. They could consist
of Re-Re's that are able to break secret codes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-L7Gbh4u0I

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: NippleChuck ()
Date: December 04, 2014 06:20PM

Not a member.That is not me on the far right. 8>)
Nip



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 04, 2014 07:31PM

Keeping Virginia safe!


+++

Blessed are the murderous.
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: NippleChuck ()
Date: December 04, 2014 07:33PM

I get it now a little. God bless the VDF
Nip

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: The funny thing? ()
Date: December 04, 2014 08:38PM

The funny thing is, for all his thinly veiled contempt, eesh wouldn't last a single day with the VDF.

He'd be bent over wheezing, trying to catch his breath, the first time they were mobilized.

Admittedly, they haven't been mobilized since 1997.

But what if there was an emergency?

I sure wouldn't want eesh out there, as part of the "thin green line".

In fact, "insiders" have confirmed that in 2010 eesh applied to join the VDF. He did the physical tests and everything. A very earnest candidate, I'm told. Unfortunately for eesh, you need a little bit more than an earnest demeanor to become part of the VDF. You need things like guts, stamina, and mental toughness. Things you don't get from sitting in front of a computer screen all day, eating ice cream while posting nonsense on Fairfax Underground.

They mailed his rejection letter on December 15.

Check the date this thread was started.

Coincidence?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...........

Some of us know better.

But you knock yourself out on this thread, eesh. We appreciate your "service".

Meanwhile, my break's over. I've got to get back to actually serving the community.

Something people like eesh will never understand.

You know, I actually feel a little bit sorry for the guy.

He doesn't get it, and he never will.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: When I die...... ()
Date: December 08, 2014 06:24PM

"When I die I'll go to heaven because I spent my time in Hell" VDF veteran campaigner

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: G.I. Joe ()
Date: December 08, 2014 06:47PM

The funny thing? Wrote:
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> The funny thing is, for all his thinly veiled
> contempt, eesh wouldn't last a single day with the
> VDF.
>
> He'd be bent over wheezing, trying to catch his
> breath, the first time they were mobilized.
>
> Admittedly, they haven't been mobilized since
> 1997.
>
> But what if there was an emergency?
>
> I sure wouldn't want eesh out there, as part of
> the "thin green line".
>
> In fact, "insiders" have confirmed that in 2010
> eesh applied to join the VDF. He did the physical
> tests and everything. A very earnest candidate,
> I'm told. Unfortunately for eesh, you need a
> little bit more than an earnest demeanor to become
> part of the VDF. You need things like guts,
> stamina, and mental toughness. Things you don't
> get from sitting in front of a computer screen all
> day, eating ice cream while posting nonsense on
> Fairfax Underground.
>
> They mailed his rejection letter on December 15.
>
> Check the date this thread was started.
>
> Coincidence?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
> .......
>
> Some of us know better.
>
> But you knock yourself out on this thread, eesh.
> We appreciate your "service".
>
> Meanwhile, my break's over. I've got to get back
> to actually serving the community.
>
> Something people like eesh will never understand.
>
> You know, I actually feel a little bit sorry for
> the guy.
>
> He doesn't get it, and he never will.


LMFAO!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: 44-75.1 ()
Date: December 28, 2014 04:58PM

VDF on watch 24/7 to help out in time of need.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: stolen glory ()
Date: December 28, 2014 06:03PM

Phonies who say they are or were former members of this outfit( and put it down on documents) are pursued and reveled to public humiliation.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: GW ()
Date: December 28, 2014 06:20PM

It's stolen Valor ass-hat. Their is no diffrence between the VDF and the guard. As a matter of fact THEY HAVE IT HARDER. THEY- ARE NOT PAID, HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN A WIDE RANGE OF FIELDS SIMPLY BY THE AGE DIFFERENCE AND MADE FUN OF BY SOME INTERNET LOSERS WANT TO BE HARD ASSES.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: apple core ()
Date: December 28, 2014 06:26PM

GW Wrote:
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> It's stolen Valor ass-hat. Their is no diffrence
> between the VDF and the guard. As a matter of fact
> THEY HAVE IT HARDER. THEY- ARE NOT PAID, HAVE MORE
> EXPERIENCE IN A WIDE RANGE OF FIELDS SIMPLY BY
> THE AGE DIFFERENCE AND MADE FUN OF BY SOME
> INTERNET LOSERS WANT TO BE HARD ASSES.


It is "there" not "Their"...................................ass hat x 2!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Doc Hoff ()
Date: February 22, 2015 04:12PM

No these guys are more like a boy scouts for retired military personel then anything else. I went to have a look at them a few months ago and I cant speak to highly of them. Sure most of them are nice enough people but they dont seem to capable of much real work and the gaurd seems to know it.They have alot of Veterains from the military and the police but they are just sort of milling around for the most part training for things they will never do. No way would milita be trusted with jobs like guarding a building or detaining a civilian or manning a comms station, not while the guard has people left standing.

They are a shame of a milita and an imbaresment to civilian volunteer organization.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: In other words.................. ()
Date: February 22, 2015 04:21PM

Doc Hoff Wrote:
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> No these guys are more like a boy scouts for
> retired military personel then anything else. I
> went to have a look at them a few months ago and I
> cant speak to highly of them. Sure most of them
> are nice enough people but they dont seem to
> capable of much real work and the gaurd seems to
> know it.They have alot of Veterains from the
> military and the police but they are just sort of
> milling around for the most part training for
> things they will never do. No way would milita be
> trusted with jobs like guarding a building or
> detaining a civilian or manning a comms station,
> not while the guard has people left standing.
>
> They are a shame of a milita and an imbaresment to
> civilian volunteer organization.


You failed to make the cut. You either failed the written test, the physical ability test...............or perhaps both. Try again in six months.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Doc Hoff ()
Date: February 22, 2015 06:02PM

Test? I wish. I walked in and practicaly had the aplication shoved in my face. They would have sworn me in that very day with out so much as a tour of the grounds.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 18, 2015 11:56PM

./..
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ludwig ()
Date: October 19, 2015 12:41AM

Mork calling Orson...........come in Orson.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: The Burr ()
Date: October 19, 2015 12:56AM

No these guys are more like a boy scouts for retired military personel then anything else. I went to have a look at them a few months ago and I cant speak to highly of them. Sure most of them are nice enough people but they dont seem to capable of much real work and the gaurd seems to know it.They have alot of Veterains from the military and the police but they are just sort of milling around for the most part training for things they will never do. No way would milita be trusted with jobs like guarding a building or detaining a civilian or manning a comms station, not while the guard has people left standing.

They are a shame of a milita and an imbaresment to civilian volunteer organization.

Who made you the judge and why do you care?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Its a club ()
Date: October 19, 2015 04:49PM

It is a club for guys mostly. They hang around, tell dirty jokes, look at porn on the internet. All good clean fun. Don't get me wrong though, if the shit hits the fan they are ready and able to do what it takes to eliminate the opposition. Before they are sworn in they have to past a competitive physical and written exam, structured along the lines of the US Army.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: What's their purpose? ()
Date: October 19, 2015 06:05PM

Are they planning to resist the next Yankee invasion?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: SSG ()
Date: October 28, 2015 10:26AM

Hello, Sir
I am contacting you to find out if you are still interested in joining the Virginia DEFENSE FORCE. If so email me at mrcool24541@yahoo.com.
SSG WAL

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Larry ()
Date: November 02, 2015 09:24PM

It's amazing how some get on sites like this and get direarer of the jaw on things they know absolutely nothing about. The woman in this picture is a ARMY veteran and a police detective.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: With all the crap happening ()
Date: December 08, 2015 11:12AM

We are lucky to have this outfit on the alert 24/7. They have a "Can Do" approach to whatever they are tasked to do. Three cheers for them!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 08, 2015 04:26PM

With all the crap happening Wrote:
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> We are lucky to have this outfit on the alert
> 24/7. They have a "Can Do" approach to whatever
> they are tasked to do. Three cheers for them!


Entire VDF vs one jihadist. Who would win?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: would they run? ()
Date: December 08, 2015 04:31PM

eesh Wrote:
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> With all the crap happening Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We are lucky to have this outfit on the alert
> > 24/7. They have a "Can Do" approach to
> whatever
> > they are tasked to do. Three cheers for them!
>
>
> Entire VDF vs one jihadist. Who would win?


jihadist are pretty tough, say what you want about them they go through some tough "recruit" training. I don't think the VDF Bootcamp is as demanding, lots of free pie and milkshakes.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: @eesh ()
Date: December 08, 2015 04:44PM

I thought the VDF operated without arms (guns) -- if this is the case -- the Jihadist, hands down.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: W7ET3 ()
Date: December 08, 2015 04:44PM

Citizens militia has a better chance.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: don't kid yourself ()
Date: December 08, 2015 04:53PM

@eesh Wrote:
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> I thought the VDF operated without arms (guns) --
> if this is the case -- the Jihadist, hands down.


They carry, smaller caliber handguns attached to their ankles. Like Popeye Doyle in the "French Connection"

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Doc Hoff ()
Date: December 18, 2015 02:51PM

I cared enough to post something "the Burr" because I hate to see things done if they aren't being done well. If the State gave a dam about the VDF they could make it worth something to the Guard, a proper reserve. But they don't and they lack the balls to cut the program. So it just sits their dragging useful people whose time could be better used elsewhere. Letting the less then useful ones just fuck around playing solider. They just need to shut that whole thing down. Send everyone whose ex-military to the American Legion so they can drink their beer and organize trash pick-ups or whatever without all the flunkies hanging on their heels.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: December 18, 2015 03:02PM

Doc Hoff Wrote:
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> I cared enough to post something "the Burr"
> because I hate to see things done if they aren't
> being done well. If the State gave a dam about the
> VDF they could make it worth something to the
> Guard, a proper reserve. But they don't and they
> lack the balls to cut the program. So it just sits
> their dragging useful people whose time could be
> better used elsewhere. Letting the less then
> useful ones just fuck around playing solider. They
> just need to shut that whole thing down. Send
> everyone whose ex-military to the American Legion
> so they can drink their beer and organize trash
> pick-ups or whatever without all the flunkies
> hanging on their heels.






Virginia should just eliminate the VDF altogether and move the funding to the Guard for training and equipment.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: dft7yg ()
Date: December 18, 2015 03:06PM

too bad they dont shoot up a preschool

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: rimns ()
Date: December 18, 2015 03:24PM

The photo above of Sgt Grandis looks like he's drunk and describing to an Orderly Room clerk how big the glasses of beer that he used to chug-a-lug in Germany were.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: I like the formation pict. ()
Date: December 18, 2015 03:36PM

Some guys stick their pants in the boots, others don't, some stick only one cuff in the boot. Some wear covers, others don't. They certainly look "at ease" though. Nobody has their hands in their pockets though..that's a good sign.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: hernane ()
Date: December 18, 2015 05:45PM

With all the goings on these guys must be on some kind of high alert status. They have to do something, I'm sure they don't hang around eating donuts and iced tea. They must have some function. Perhaps work in liaison with the State Police? Their equipment and accoutrements look state-of-the art, do they go to a sort of school to learn?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Doc Hoff ()
Date: December 19, 2015 12:48PM

In theory they have a role as third string backups for the Guard and police. Like if the whole Guard was deployed out of state the VDF would take over their regular role in the state. And they do have police liaisons for some kind from what I was told. But the big thing is that that on one outside the VDF expects them to do anything, short of manning back up back up comm relays, unless the united state gets into another grudge match like the World Wars. They have no search and rescue, no trained police, Guard support or V.dot support units, and no ceremonial use either. All their training is done in house with instructors or from online FEMA courses.

They have the potential to be an indeterminate level response for the state to use, somewhere between doing nothing and declaring a state of emergence to get the Guard on the job. But when called to active duty they are payed the same as a regular Guardsmen but are only a quarter as reliable. So who would ever want to use them? You save nothing by using the VDF over the Guard, you gain nothing by use them. So if you have more Guardsmen, of which their are like 8,000, available it always make sense to get more of them.

I could go on and you know what I will, but not here. I am going to write a letter to the Virginia department of military affairs and tell them all the better ways they could use the VDF and then threaten to call the local news networks on them if they don't make some changes. So yeah I'll just do that. Maybe. If I get around to it.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: IFlySoloBitch ()
Date: December 20, 2015 03:27AM

How does one go about getting basic training/boot camp without joining any armed forces?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: hPpdP ()
Date: December 20, 2015 06:29AM

don't kid yourself Wrote:
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> @eesh Wrote:
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> > I thought the VDF operated without arms (guns)
> --
> > if this is the case -- the Jihadist, hands
> down.
>
>
> They carry, smaller caliber handguns attached to
> their ankles.


Did you mean to say kankles?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: do you trust them? ()
Date: December 20, 2015 03:13PM

Yea right! Would you trust them to quell a riot in a Maximum Security facility if the State Police need assistance? That's one of the possibilities the State Police face. Would you trust them to add a police presence if a huge riot broke out in Richmond? They have absolutely no training as a unit and would run amuck.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: qwerty0987 ()
Date: April 01, 2016 02:26PM

I heard they get their property tax refunded on the vehicles they use to travel to their drills, is that true?

Any advantages of joining the VDF over a CERT course?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: jekw ()
Date: April 01, 2016 03:45PM

Easier to get a permit to carry if you belong to the VDF, I think a lot of members stock firearms just in case the shit goes down. They are a backup to many special ops units.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: gg ()
Date: August 04, 2016 07:51AM

So the natural disasters they help with and top secret operations they go to active shooter training they have to do is a joke ???

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: El Gallo ()
Date: August 16, 2016 12:59PM

I was checking out VDF, having served with the CA State Military Reserve. All NG and state militias are part of the constitutionally cited "militia." When the NG was formed, states were allowed to maintain a segment of their military department which would remain under state governor control at all times. From my experience, most state guard personnel are far from "wannabes." The strong majority have active duty experience, and due to broken service or retirement, cannot serve an active duty or join the reserves/NG/AG, but want a place where they can still do what they love: serve in uniform.

The CSMR is much bigger than VDF and joined at the hip with CA Federal Guard. For instance, CSMR MPs are armed and guard NG installations. They serve side-by-side with CANG in emergency operations centers, security missions, and other missions. They wear the same uniforms, except CSMR has "California" in place of "US Army" or "US Air Force." (CSMR has AG and Army support elements.) During WWII and Korea, the CSMR was ramped up to about 12,000, but currently is at about 2000. During those conflicts they were just what the militia has been since before our nation's founding: a home guard.

CSMR had its historic ups and downs. They went to seed in the 1970's to 1990s, and were also seen as a "joke." In part this was b/c they were a political tool for politicians in and out of the military department. But the CA TAGs and governors headed them in a new direction. VDF's image problems could be fixed if a similar commitment to true missions and appearance standards were exhibited. I would start with getting rid of the outdated BDU uniforms, which --particularly with shiny, brass rank and color patches, look, well, at best, like JROTC. Weight standards should be enforced and haircut standards. Most importantly, real missions, not granted and ungranted at whim and reasonable resourcing are needed.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: November 30, 2016 04:56PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: November 30, 2016 04:57PM

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Ludwig ()
Date: November 30, 2016 08:44PM

Are they ordering something???

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: sgt k ()
Date: April 08, 2017 07:25PM

now, if there is an incident of extreme importance say the Syrian bombing by the American forces does the VDF to into another mode? Do they experience an alert of some kind/ to musteer them/

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: uniforms ()
Date: April 08, 2017 08:30PM

Why are they wearing old green woodland BDU's?
Do they have an Air component? Will they let me mount rockets and guns on my C-177 Cardinal?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: trump sending them to ukraine ()
Date: April 08, 2017 08:44PM

That'll put a stop to Putin's bullshit. You DON'T FUCK with the VDF!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 08, 2017 08:47PM

uniforms Wrote:
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> Do they have an Air component?




Virginia is slowly pulling funding from the VDF. The Riverine detachment and aviation battalion have been eliminated due to funding cuts.


Eventually the VDF will cease to exist.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Wrong, eesh. ()
Date: April 08, 2017 08:55PM

Trump has decided to make them his personal shotgun. He will use them for instantaneous covert ops, both domestic and foreign.

While they publicly appear to be withering away, they are in fact receiving a dramatic increase in funding and training. They will also test deploy weaponry that the regular military still has wet dreams about.

Just as an example, an entire Spetznaz unit in East Ukraine might all be found dead one morning, by which time the VDF who did the deed are already on a plane halfway back to Virginia.

Or, the entire population of an ISIS training camp in Oregon might just 'dissappear'; they have been taken, alive or dead, by the VDF. On the plane trip to Gitmo, the dead ones plus any live ones who don't appear to have any useful information are tossed out the door into rural Appalachia. The VDF jokingly refers to this as 'feeding the bears'.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: real mission a fact in the codeb ()
Date: April 10, 2017 06:39PM

Actually the real mission, their reason for being, is to help quell the inmates in case of a riot at a State prison. When there is a riot, these are the guys who crush it, the Correctional officers and staff are ordered out and these Jackbooted riot stick wearing special unit troops are called in. A beautiful sight to see them walk in cadence, a perfect column armed with 36" New York city toothpicks in their gloved hands. All you hear when the inmates see this is quiet.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Headquartered in Richmond! ()
Date: April 10, 2017 08:37PM


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: April 10, 2017 09:38PM

Let's all stare at a Panasonic Toughbook like it's a piece of alien technology.



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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: a bucket of fried chicken, ()
Date: April 10, 2017 11:21PM

Ludwig Wrote:
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> Are they ordering something???


2 sweet potato pies, and 2 grape sodas.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: vhuU4 ()
Date: April 11, 2017 12:40AM

I am sure that they DO NOT answer to the McAWFUL POS numbnuts currently sitting on the Va porcelain throne in the gov office. If they even asked him a question I doubt he would give them the time of day.

Maybe they would be better suited to going rogue and disappearing some of the Isis training camps scattered around the Commonwealth operating with impunity.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh was rejected by the VDF? ()
Date: April 11, 2017 02:41AM

The funny thing? Wrote:
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>
> In fact, "insiders" have confirmed that in 2010
> eesh applied to join the VDF. He did the physical
> tests and everything. A very earnest candidate,
> I'm told.
>
> They mailed his rejection letter on December 15.
>


Is that when he flipped out and began stalking morono?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: A VDF member ()
Date: July 27, 2017 08:31AM

Hey, Assholes, I am a PV2 in the Virginia Defense Force. I want to say that I appreciate everyone who has served our state and/or country, but when you begin to hate on an organization that helps the national guard help your lazy asses, then don't forget what we do, and when enough people like you belittle it, and they deactivate it, and something bad happens, and the National guard has a hard time communicating in and of itself, DO NOT come crying to us. Not only do we play a vital role in assisting the national guard, but we also have many men and women that could not serve in the regular military due to health or age that get a sense of pride from doing what they can. I personally know a SGT who is a Vietnam veteran, and he told me that without the VDF, he would probably be dead. So the next time you want to be a dick, think.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Knows More Than You ()
Date: July 27, 2017 08:48AM

Actually, if you'd do a little research, you'd find that there is a long line of Militia history in Virginia, and the militia did fight in the revolution. At that time, it was known as the Virginia Regiment, as it also was in the civil war, and past iterations of the VDF were armed and guarded a lot of prime targets from the Japanese, Germans, and the Soviets, even though they were never attacked.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: just thinking of joining ()
Date: July 27, 2017 05:12PM

If I decide to join what are the perks? Do we get free uniforms and a per diem if deployed? What does a beginner or a buck private get for joining and is the promotion rate pretty good? Do I get a sticker for my car? Does the license [;ate have a little picture of the VDF symbol? If I am assigned to crowd or security do we get training in a form of "hand to hand"? Is there an NCO school? Thanks, like I said I'm just looking and may or may not join or join the USMC instead. Is your Basic pretty tough?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: NDMTU ()
Date: July 27, 2017 07:56PM

Do you have to be old and fat to join?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Date: August 28, 2017 12:52PM

This thread is rather amusing, especially for how long it's remained active. The hardon some of you have for this organization makes me think some psychiatric services are in order. Seriously, that level of obsession is pretty unhealthy. Might wanna see about getting something done about that.
I've only ever seen the VDF at the Apple Blossom parade in Winchester, so I don't really know if that's an adequate baseline to judge them by. As a vet, I'm certainly not impressed by them in that regard, nor any of these other "State Defense Forces" I've run across.
All in all, I suppose I'm in a few different minds about them. On the one hand, such organizations do have a fair number of retired LEOs and military who simply wish to continue serving, and are willing to do a lot of it out of pocket. Okay, cool.
On the other... the one which really stands out in my mind is the North Carolina State Defense Militia, which has been stood down since 1996, supposedly over a workman's comp issue, but, let's be real... it doesn't take 21 damn years to get that sorted out. They had a pretty ill repute... the original commander of the NCSDM was Bo Thorpe, who ended up being forced to resign his post after a racist remark he made publicly (of course, this was also around the same time he talked about arming his 'special forces' to raid marijuana fields). The NCSDM had a bunch of run-ins with both the federal military and the National Guard - leaving armories trashed, blatantly disrespectful behavior towards actual SMs (including a militia "Major" making a big show of chewing out a real paratrooper for not saluting him), etc. They were kicked off of Fort Bragg, as the post commander had threatened to cease allowing both the NCSDM and the NC National Guard to use the facilities on post if the governor didn't reign in the NCSDM... they basically ran around making asses of themselves. Two private organizations formed in the wake of the NCSDM being stood down, both of which effectively serve as pressure groups to have the NCSDM stood back up.
The one in Alaska was suddenly disarmed for reasons not specified explicitly, but the writing's kinda on the wall there. I think it was in Tennessee where one member of theirs was arrested trying to illegally convert AR-15s to select fire rifles... doesn't really say glowing things about these organizations.
Ran across a post someone had made on a social media site which advocated standing the NCSDM back up. While I'm not necessarily against the idea of SDMs, I had to disagree with his stance regarding the NCSDM - especially with the way that organization tarnished its own reputation.
So, what ideas do I have in mind for such organizations?

1: Less chiefs, more Indians. Right now, they have the opposite problem. I mean, it seems like for everyone wearing E1 through E3 on their collars, you have 10 NCOs. And this is hardly exclusive to Virginia's SDM. While the military rank structure makes sense, they way they use it does not. What can seven senior NCOs in a 'company' of about 20 people really do?

2: Tone it down. A lot of these organizations are named as "defense forces" - let's be real - nobody's invading the USA, nor any state within it. No member of the SDF will be defending anything. Which isn't to say they can't have a purpose - certainly they can. But let's go a route which makes it clear what that is. Perhaps you'll get a better quality candidate out of doing such, as well. BDUs are good uniforms.. they're a work uniform, the temperate uniforms are lightweight and dry out quickly, and they're comparatively inexpensive. But do we really need these people running around in M81, UCP, and whatever the 'official' names for Scorpion and MultiCam are (I've been out for a while - more than long enough the predate the latest Army uniform change)? Absolutely not. A solid color - one not intended to be camouflage - would be better, especially given the piss poor associations given to militias after the 90s. LA Police Gear offers a knockoff of the 5.11 tactical pant in a number of solid colors for about $20/ea. and they're pretty hard wearing. Perhaps flat chevrons, like used on ROTC rank insignia, would be in order. And even a similar - but distinctively different - rank insignia for officers. Something designed specifically for auxiliaries (because I don't think SDFs, the CAP, or the Merchant Marine, et. al. should be running around wearing the same uniforms and rank insignia of the regular military).

3. Streamline. I read on here that the VDF is ~1000 personnel. You're not going to take a number like that and have them serve in every function imaginable. Reduce their number of functions, have them do it better. Communications and logistics support is a good way to go. Give up on titles such as "Military Police", restructure it into something you'll actually use.

4. In the case of the North Carolina State Defense Militia and other such organizations which have dragged their own reputation through the mud, give it a rest. Drop the military aspect of it altogether. Form an organization of a purely civilian nature - yeah, it'll be harder to recruit on account of not drawing in the wannabes, but if those people make it to where you can't use the organization in its stated intent and purpose, having them does you no good anyhow.

Just my $.02 worth.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: January 12, 2018 07:14PM

Will the Virginia Defense Force be at the inauguration tomorrow?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh, why don't you join? ()
Date: January 21, 2018 04:38AM

eesh Wrote:
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> Will the Virginia Defense Force be at the
> inauguration tomorrow?


I could see you and megan in the VDF.
miz and lizzie? Not so much.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: February 10, 2018 11:43PM

Pandering
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Immigrant Virginian ()
Date: February 16, 2019 12:06AM

I was surprised to know that state militia were still around and I'm surprised to see how many people hate it. I'm from Korea, where the is a single National government that rules all provinces instead of a Federal government that binds states together. The supreme central government of Korea does not leave any room for diversity or flexibility because a word of a dumb ass at its Congress or Presidential House overrides words of everyone else. I fell in love with this country for its Federal system that provides Freedom to choose Jurisdiction, choose Culture, choose System, and etc from 50 different states. As soon as I became eligible to become Virginian, I ditched Korean citizenship in a heartbeat. If one doesn't like what one province is doing, good luck finding another province in that "one size fits all" nation.

One lesson a person might be able to learn from history of Korea is that, in the last dynasty called Joseon (I'll call it JS), it stayed peaceful after becoming a state of Ming Empire of China (or MEC). Well, MEC took care of JS pretty well for a few hundred years. By about 600yrs later, JS didn't have any force left and Japan invaded JS while MEC was already busy defending itself from Manchurians and a few others. Korea sent SOS but Ming pretty much had planned to ditch JS to focus its force for battles against Manchurians. JS barely beat Japan only because they had JS police, and JS state militia left. However, when 200 more years passed by, Korea didn't have any of that left. Anti-weapon law had disarmed everyone in the state of JS and people's push against police brutality and towards weaponless society had disarmed all police. State militia didn't even exist. When EC of China was weakened once more, Japan came back again and they just marched through Korea to the capital of JS. JS became a state of Japanese empire overnight without a single battle.

US has been pretty blessed for the past 300 years, but who knows fine how long? I like to know that, if US ever becomes so preoccupied with something else than helping Virginia that it decides to give up on this state, like Russia sold Alaska to US or Mongolia gave up Inner Mongolia to China, VA has sufficient armed citizens, law enforcement officers and militia to not go down without a fight.

If anything, I think integrating VA defense force into some law enforcement would be better than getting rid of state militia. Probably for fighting against gangs or other criminals from foreign states or nations.

Recent movements against centralization of US, disarmament, and etc makes US and its states look more and more like Korea, a country I ditched for VA and US.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TruthHurts ()
Date: September 11, 2020 08:39PM

Wow Wally Cocks, you are one true badass. So you make fun of people that volunteer their time to make VA safer, and they do it unarmed. Whats truly funny are all the keyboard warriors in here talking shit about a group that they knoe nothing about, all while saying how bad ass they are. You all couldnt fight your way out of a paper bag with a pair of scissors.

Bunch of punk ass bitches is what you all are. You go ahead and break out your gun during an emergency evacuation stud. See if you can drive with a severe case of lead poisoning.

Yall are a bunch of primadonnas that know nothing of actually giving your life in service of anything but yourselves. Go drop dead, the world wont miss you, that I promise. I would take one good meaning volunteer over any of you selfish self glorified douchebags.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: TruthHurts ()
Date: September 11, 2020 08:49PM

Eesh, you really need a life. How about leaving that basement dwelling, letting mommy and daddy have some time to try and have a child that survives birthing, and go see what oxygen is like? 66k posts to me says it all. You are a pale, ghastly, twig of a creature, much like Gollum from LOTR. Is your laptop your "precious"?

Good God dude, seeing your ramblings makes one want to rip out their eyeballs.

Anyways, go eat your twelfth twinkie, grab your razor and go for a spin twat.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: YourMommaIsAMan ()
Date: September 11, 2020 08:50PM

Eesh, you really need a life. How about leaving that basement dwelling, letting mommy and daddy have some time to try and have a child that survives birthing, and go see what oxygen is like? 66k posts to me says it all. You are a pale, ghastly, twig of a creature, much like Gollum from LOTR. Is your laptop your "precious"?

Good God dude, seeing your ramblings makes one want to rip out their eyeballs.

Anyways, go eat your twelfth twinkie, grab your razor and go for a spin twat.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Will ()
Date: July 20, 2021 03:26PM

I'm a medically retired US Navy submarine veteran. I broke my neck on a mission to [REDACTED], and we did [REDACTED]. Pretty awesome shit, but it cost me dearly. Since then I've been a defense contractor for the DoD doing cyber security. I know offer these skills to the VDF and the commonwealth.
As far as cyber goes, VDF is peerless in the nation. The only people on our level work for the IC (Intel Community)

We have people on the cyber team who in their day jobs are at the top of the cyber security game. A professor from VA Tech, an Amazon AWS Engineer (me), an Incident Response Manager for FireEye (this is the guy who discovered the solarwinds hack), among other people from various IT and cyber roles.

I can't speak to other groups in VDF, but the cyber shit is on point.

I talk about it a bit here:
https://www.nbc12.com/2020/02/28/virginia-defense-force-joins-election-cybersecurity-fight/

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: they should get paid ()
Date: July 20, 2021 03:53PM

I'm all in favor of this outfit getting some compensation for their outstanding work. Might be a good idea if Meade joins this organization. Might teach him some discipline,,, structure, also a sense of pride of doing something for the community. True he devotes his time doing gigs for the public and that is commendable, but still, he needs to work in a team structure.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Will ()
Date: July 20, 2021 04:00PM

We are included in VDEM, in fact the states cyber incident response manager, and former police intelligence unit manager is on our team.

Some Ukrainian hacker group got into our third party email solution mandated by VDEM, so there are still areas we can grow and improve.

Are you a hacker? Cyber Ninja? Keyboard badass? Serve the glorious commonwealth today!
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Will ()
Date: July 20, 2021 04:19PM

> How many of those slobs did they activate? 2? 3? I like the part were you put serve, you are not serving shit, the only think you loosers do is have pizza parties and wear cammo pretending to be a soilders. Just to let you know a good 90% of ppl think you suck and laugh at the VDF when seen doing traffic control at parades and linger around shows. FYI soilders hate you!

Hahahahahahaha somebody couldn't get into the VDF and now has a sandy vagina.

Soldiers don't hate us, soldiers don't even know who we are. NG troops are happy for the backup.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Will ()
Date: July 20, 2021 04:49PM

> Trump has decided to make them his personal shotgun. He will use them for instantaneous covert ops, both domestic and foreign.

While they publicly appear to be withering away, they are in fact receiving a dramatic increase in funding and training. They will also test deploy weaponry that the regular military still has wet dreams about.

Just as an example, an entire Spetznaz unit in East Ukraine might all be found dead one morning, by which time the VDF who did the deed are already on a plane halfway back to Virginia.

Or, the entire population of an ISIS training camp in Oregon might just 'dissappear'; they have been taken, alive or dead, by the VDF. On the plane trip to Gitmo, the dead ones plus any live ones who don't appear to have any useful information are tossed out the door into rural Appalachia. The VDF jokingly refers to this as 'feeding the bears'.


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As a warrant officer in the VDF, I can neither confirm nor deny that this is 100000% true. I'm still getting the sand out of my socks from the Oregon raid.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Loling to the oldies ()
Date: September 07, 2021 02:21AM

eesh Wrote:
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> I'm concerned that they put that much planning
> into volunteer traffic control. Does guiding cars
> on where to be parked required a mobile command
> center, Panasonic Toughbooks, and ancient hand
> held radios?


In hindsight, this thread is funny considering Eesh was little more than a jock carrier in the military and no better than anyone who volunteers for the VDF. I bet that they wouldn’t even take him as a member if he wanted to sign up.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Greenleigh Berets ()
Date: September 07, 2021 02:33AM

Can I join the VDF? I am 5’5 (5’9 with heels,) 305 lbs, and 20/200 vision.


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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: say youjoin ()
Date: September 07, 2021 02:24PM

and you were a former E4 in the Armed Forces, do you retain the rank? What's the point if you don't. I don't want someone who was not a Boot or even a cop or even a fireman ordering me about. I mean you have to have some "fiber" to order a former soldier,Airman,Navy, USCG, or Marine about.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Guy leforge ()
Date: November 11, 2021 01:45AM

Eesh is such a worthless faggot now even the VDF wouldn’t want him. LOL

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Why do they need meade? ()
Date: November 11, 2021 02:08AM

they should get paid Wrote:
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> I'm all in favor of this outfit getting some
> compensation for their outstanding work. Might be
> a good idea if Meade joins this organization.
> Might teach him some discipline,,, structure, also
> a sense of pride of doing something for the
> community. True he devotes his time doing gigs
> for the public and that is commendable, but still,
> he needs to work in a team structure.

I guess they have toilets they need cleaned but I'm sure they have people already that could do a better job, not bitch about it, and wouldn't subject them to being serenaded with retard music.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Cavalcade of Lolcows ()
Date: November 11, 2021 12:10PM

they should get paid Wrote:
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> I'm all in favor of this outfit getting some
> compensation for their outstanding work. Might be
> a good idea if Meade joins this organization.
> Might teach him some discipline,,, structure, also
> a sense of pride of doing something for the
> community. True he devotes his time doing gigs
> for the public and that is commendable, but still,
> he needs to work in a team structure.


Could you imagine if the VDF was filled with Meades?

Comedy Gold! First "Reno 911", then "Tacoma FD" now the retards of the VDT do stupid things for shits and giggles!

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: John Smythe ()
Date: January 14, 2022 11:41AM

First. Let's address Will. Before you go slamming people Will, you might want to get past that first grade education of yours. Trying to read your babble is frustrating for anyone with a secondary school education.

Now, on to the VDF.
You want the truth about the VDF. Here it is.

Retired military that can't let go. People who never served that want to now but can't go federal. Overweight. Old.
Main function of the VDF is communications using archaic 70s Era HF radios that barely get any signal. Laptops so they can be the VDEM secretary during a call out. Traffic control. The best part. All while wearing 80s militia uniforms.
They serve no legitimate purpose compared to other state defense forces like Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, California or Texas. All of whose SDF actually do medical work, search and rescue. Etc.
Virginia needs to either revamp the VDF into something relevant or just retire it. This current model is a joke.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh had a lot to say about VDF ()
Date: January 14, 2022 08:24PM

Now, he can't even get into the VDF

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: Eesh always has a LOT to say ()
Date: January 14, 2022 08:27PM

About shit he's failed at

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: pics or shuts! ()
Date: January 14, 2022 08:28PM

John Smythe Wrote:
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> First. Let's address Will. Before you go
> slamming people Will, you might want to get past
> that first grade education of yours. Trying to
> read your babble is frustrating for anyone with a
> secondary school education.
>
> Now, on to the VDF.
> You want the truth about the VDF. Here it is.
>
> Retired military that can't let go. People who
> never served that want to now but can't go
> federal. Overweight. Old.
> Main function of the VDF is communications using
> archaic 70s Era HF radios that barely get any
> signal. Laptops so they can be the VDEM secretary
> during a call out. Traffic control. The best
> part. All while wearing 80s militia uniforms.
> They serve no legitimate purpose compared to other
> state defense forces like Maryland, Tennessee,
> South Carolina, California or Texas. All of
> whose SDF actually do medical work, search and
> rescue. Etc.
> Virginia needs to either revamp the VDF into
> something relevant or just retire it. This
> current model is a joke.


Prove it

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: EESH is an expert on everything ()
Date: January 14, 2022 08:28PM

..that he's failed at
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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: eesh used to male fun of VDF ()
Date: January 20, 2022 07:19PM

Now, they probably wouldn't even accept him.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: no they wouldn't ()
Date: January 20, 2022 08:26PM

they would never accept eesh as a member. He may think his tattoos are groovy and cool but I doubt the brass of VDF would.

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: is there an AUXILIARY VDF? ()
Date: January 21, 2022 01:00AM

For folks like eesh, who would dearly love to belong to something, but can't meet the exacting standards of the VDF?

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Re: Did you know- about the "Virginia Defense Force" ?
Posted by: sgt morewood ()
Date: January 21, 2022 08:31AM

NGA Wrote:
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> James Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The vast majority of VDF members are squared
> away.
> > There are a few who could use some serious PT,
> but
> > don't judge the entire force because of a very
> > few.
> >
> > Before you judge you should educate yourselves.
> > The primary job of the VDF is to assist the
> > National Guard and state in times of emergency
> and
> > crisis. VDF members saved three lives during
> last
> > years hurricane, risking their own lives to do
> it.
> > The majority of members are former military,
> not
> > rejects. Many have been forced to retire after
> 25
> > or 30 years and they are only in their mid to
> late
> > fourties - with a lot left to contribute.
> >
> > All in all they are an outstanding volunteer
> > organization.
>
>
> I'm sorry but they are old fools that do nothing
> but leave a huge mess in the armory after they get
> their weekend there. They open up half the MRE's
> and just take the skittles out of them and throw
> the rest of the MRE back in the box.


That is low. You don't mess with a mans Skittles. VDF is the scum of the earth.

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