ALRIGHT "pablo" i never said that any of them were "saints". and i am not defending these "kids" ..all i am saying is that dont judge them by just what the media says. take in to consideration that heroin was just a dark part of their life. they are also awesome people not just criminals. and going to prison for 20 years is not a solution.


....and as for "MILF" you fucking idiot. danny nash never pushed any sort of weight. and if you knew the guy perhaps you could talk. but since you know nothing about any of this except for what the media tells you. shut the fuck up and go to hell you peice of shit.

love oosh :)

Back in my day, in Ancient Rome, the only heroine busts were those of the feminae romanae such as Lucretia, Verginia, Cloelia, Tarpeia. So much has changed since then.

oosh Wrote:
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> ALRIGHT "pablo" i never said that any of them were
> "saints". and i am not defending these "kids"
> ..all i am saying is that dont judge them by just
> what the media says. take in to consideration
> that heroin was just a dark part of their life.
> they are also awesome people not just criminals.
> and going to prison for 20 years is not a
> solution.
>

if "them" = Skylar Schnippel, Lokesh Rawat, etc, then YES JUDGE THEM. They are criminals.

if "them" = all WHS students, then no.

I feel bad for the kids for getting mixed up in this whole mess but after the death of a close friend this past year DUE to the heroin he was given from these kids, I hope they rot.

The war on drugs is a joke, and sending these children anywhere but to treatment is a travesty. Well maybe 6 mos is ok, but 5 yrs. or 20 yrs. cmon

Jas Wrote:
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> The war on drugs is a joke, and sending these
> children anywhere but to treatment is a travesty.
> Well maybe 6 mos is ok, but 5 yrs. or 20 yrs. cmon

maybe for common drugs, but Heroin??? i dont think you know exactly what you're talking about if you think 6 months is all that heroin dealers should be punished with.

i think its funny how all the people that dont know the people who were busted are so critical and judgmental yet all the people who have posted that know the people involved talk about how awesome these people are and that they just got into a bad thing. Just a thought that you all should consider.

notice how everyone that has posted that does not know the people who are involved are very fast to jump to conclusions and are extremely critical and judgmental, but the everyone who has posted that does know the ones involved all talk about how awesome each one is and how they just got caught up in a bad thing like we all do, just a thought for those who judge without getting to know.

I know a couple of these kids. I know several of the parents. These kids apparently got caught up in some very bad stuff. If they did what is alleged, they deserve punishment. But 20 years + seems extreme.

Some people, at least three I believe, died and that is tragic. But those that died were also culpable in their deaths. I haven't heard that anyone made them try heroin. Or made them take the dose that resulted in their deaths.

I don't know why there is a difference in distributing the drug to "responsible" abusers who don't die and distributing it to someone who overdoses. To me, the crime is the same. And should be punished the same.

To the family and friends of the three people who died- my deepest condolences. My condolences also to the families of these young adults who are charged in this case. It is a tragedy for all involved.

i never said they werent criminals. they obviously are. heroin is a serious.. some of these fools act like skylar,danny,lokesh etc. did this to alicia. they are not responsible for what happened. i love alicia, ive known her since the 4th grade. but she was an addict. and none of these people got her into drugs. in fact alicia got most of them started with heroin in the first place. she liked being high. and she was seriously addicted to dope. no one is responsible for her death except for alicia herself.

jay Wrote:
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> i think its funny how all the people that dont
> know the people who were busted are so critical
> and judgmental yet all the people who have posted
> that know the people involved talk about how
> awesome these people are and that they just got
> into a bad thing. Just a thought that you all
> should consider.


The jury ain't going to know them either....I wish I was on it....these mutherfuckers would never see the light of day.

sodfaifjisa;oioh;gdsfngs;lkdfnkd;onkdfmgkl;dfng;lkdfsmng;lkndsflkgnsdfklgfdnsgkl;dsfn

I'M BLACK

your right the jury wont know them but the jury isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people either. those people are awesome people that were influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken over by a drug because thats what all drugs eventually do and they will and are getting punished for the illegal acts that they have committed. I never said that they shouldn't be punished i only said that the people who are on this cite judging these people without ever even knowing them need to think twice about what they're saying. These kids are human beings just like the rest of us and i happen to know that most of them are so awesome and caring and nice and funny and much much more, so instead of judging those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made in their lives (which we all make many bad decisions) maybe you should get to know a person before you talk badly about who they are as people.

jay Wrote:
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> so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.

pass.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I read it the paper that two of them admitted to selling drugs to minors. They should be hung by their balls. Selling drugs to minors is about as low as you can get.


jay Wrote:
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> your right the jury wont know them but the jury
> isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people
> either. those people are awesome people that were
> influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they
> were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken
> over by a drug because thats what all drugs
> eventually do and they will and are getting
> punished for the illegal acts that they have
> committed. I never said that they shouldn't be
> punished i only said that the people who are on
> this cite judging these people without ever even
> knowing them need to think twice about what
> they're saying. These kids are human beings just
> like the rest of us and i happen to know that most
> of them are so awesome and caring and nice and
> funny and much much more, so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.

jay Wrote:
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> your right the jury wont know them but the jury
> isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people
> either. those people are awesome people that were
> influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they
> were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken
> over by a drug because thats what all drugs
> eventually do and they will and are getting
> punished for the illegal acts that they have
> committed. I never said that they shouldn't be
> punished i only said that the people who are on
> this cite judging these people without ever even
> knowing them need to think twice about what
> they're saying. These kids are human beings just
> like the rest of us and i happen to know that most
> of them are so awesome and caring and nice and
> funny and much much more, so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.


Junkies aren't "awesome", they are the scum of the earth. Dealers are even worse.

Be sure and send your pals some Depends....after a few months in stir with Bubba, their sphincters will be shot.

Geez, in the time since this thread started, I figured all the accused had been convicted, served the sentences and made parole.

3 More Arrested in Alleged Heroin Ring

Three more young Fairfax County residents were arrested yesterday on charges of conspiring to distribute heroin, expanding to 13 the number of people implicated in a ring of heavy drug users and dealers in the Centreville area, according to U.S. District Court records.

Court records show that some of the people who pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges last week are implicating other participants and that some of the six original defendants may be negotiating their own pleas.

Kevin J. Zuiker, 20, Angela M. Aycock, 19, and Andrew W. Kacvinsky, 20, all of Centreville, were arrested on federal warrants charging conspiracy to distribute more than 100 grams of heroin. All three then made their first court appearances and were ordered held in the Alexandria jail without bond until their detention hearings Monday.

Last month, 10 people were arrested -- nine of them 19 or 20 years old and from the Centreville area -- on heroin conspiracy charges. Court records said three young people associated with the ring had died of heroin overdoses.

Last week, Joshua R. Quick and Daniel R. Nash pleaded guilty to an even harsher charge, distributing heroin that resulted in the death of 19-year-old Alicia Lannes. Both face a minimum 20-year prison sentence.


A third man, Skylar M. Schnippel, 20, who was Lannes's boyfriend, is also charged with providing her with the fatal heroin dose. A joint motion filed yesterday by Schnippel and federal prosecutors asked a federal magistrate to extend the 30-day period for indictment of Schnippel, because both sides "wish to have more time to discuss the possibility of resolution of this case prior to indictment."

Schnippel's attorney, Brendan D. Harold, declined to comment. Four of the five remaining defendants -- Jessica Remington, Tayler Gibson, Antonio Harper and Ashleigh Shade -- filed identical extension motions with prosecutors yesterday.

Two other defendants, Lokesh Rawat and David Schreider, pleaded guilty last week to one conspiracy count; another defendant, Anna Richter, has not filed a time-extension motion.

An affidavit unsealed in federal court said that Zuiker, Aycock and Kacvinsky had been selling heroin to members of the ring. Richter allegedly told investigators that Zuiker had provided her with extra heroin and other drugs to sell at her college. Zuiker also was arrested in May with 1,300 Xanax pills in his pocket, the affidavit states, and he also allegedly sold the painkiller OxyContin to an informant.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121803815.html

15-to-life for all! And no lube.

"3 More Arrested in Alleged Heroin Ring"

because the people they found distributing heroin wasnt proof enough.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

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"3 More Arrested in Heroin Ring"

kacvinsky has been clean since before alicia died.
zuiker has been clean since shortly after she died.
theyve never got any charges with heroin when they were addicted a year ago.
so theyre not gonna go to poundyouintheass prison for taking some narks word for it.
so fuck off and leave them alone, they fucked up a long time ago and have been out of this mess for 10 months

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> 15-to-life for all! And no lube.


ya , only tears and loogies




joeee Wrote:
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> "3 More Arrested in Heroin Ring"
>
> kacvinsky has been clean since before alicia
> died.
> zuiker has been clean since shortly after she
> died.
> theyve never got any charges with heroin when they
> were addicted a year ago.
> so theyre not gonna go to poundyouintheass prison
> for taking some narks word for it.
> so fuck off and leave them alone, they fucked up a
> long time ago and have been out of this mess for
> 10 months


i think you should take the witness stand. you sound very trustworthy
/end sarcasm

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I see in April he had an unlicensed dog...why do you ask?


"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","020"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","12/16/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS MARIJUANA "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS PARAPH SYRINGE/NEEDLES "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","05/23/2008","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","11/05/2008","NO DRIVERS LICENSE "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","11/05/2008","OPERATE UNLICENSED VEHICLE (EXP) "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","M","059"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","04/08/2008","UNLICENSED DOG "

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magmaswank Wrote:
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> z Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see in April he had an unlicensed dog...why
> do
> > you ask?
> >
> >
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","020","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","12/16/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS MARIJUANA
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS PARAPH SYRINGE/NEEDLES
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","05/23/2008","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","11/05/2008","NO DRIVERS LICENSE
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","11/05/2008","OPERATE UNLICENSED VEHICLE
> > (EXP) "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","M","059","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","04/08/2008","UNLICENSED DOG
>
> > "
>
>
> That was his father. I already know all of that
> stuff. I'm under the impression that he is somehow
> connected to these kids who were busted in this
> Heroin bust.

Are you stupid or are you stupid?

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does anyone know where you can get court transcripts? i'm friends with some of these guys and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but would really like to know what is said, who testifies, etc.

question Wrote:
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> does anyone know where you can get court
> transcripts? i'm friends with some of these guys
> and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but
> would really like to know what is said, who
> testifies, etc.


lmao
you wanna see if you get ratted out eh?

obvious guy Wrote:
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> question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > does anyone know where you can get court
> > transcripts? i'm friends with some of these
> guys
> > and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but
> > would really like to know what is said, who
> > testifies, etc.
>
>
> lmao
> you wanna see if you get ratted out eh?

hee, hee, hee...

not necessarily, i assume most of the "ratting out" will be done pre-trial. it would be interesting to know how to see the court transcripts though, if anyone knows how to do that

question Wrote:
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> not necessarily, i assume most of the "ratting
> out" will be done pre-trial. it would be
> interesting to know how to see the court
> transcripts though, if anyone knows how to do that

Dont try reasoning with them or explaining yourself. It doesn't work.

They should all be taken outside and shot...

"anyone know who the unnamed person is?"


If anyone hasn't answered this for you already - Antonio Harper. He was the group's source in DC when Alicia died.

Royale W/Cheese Wrote:
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> I love the way some are blaming "da media" for
> blowing this way out of proportion. The press
> didn't make this up. They got it straight from the
> police, the FBI, and court records. Let's face it
> -- we're talking about heroin. It's a little
> different than kids getting busted for smoking
> dubies in the mall parking lot.



Actually, the media DID blow some of the information out of proportion. In one article in the Washington Post it claims that Antonio Harper (Tony) was arrested with "one bag of heroin in one pocket, and sixteen bags of crack in the other pocket." I was there with Tony when he was arrested, he was a friend of mine and I had no idea he had those drugs on him. When I read the article I was in shock, but because I was at Tony's house when it was raided - I was also questioned and have been a few times since the raid. I was never arrested, because I had done nothing wrong. But, when I spoke with the FBI agents (because I was served a subpoena) I asked them if what the article had said was true .. and guess what guys -

THEY TOLD ME "NO, Tony did NOT have those drugs on him, nor were the drugs in his house. They did not know why the article had stated that."



I thought people were smarter to believe everything they see and hear, even in the media. We have the right to our freedom of speech. Just because someone says it, it does NOT mean it is true.

Lynette Johnson Wrote:
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> in response to
> She used to date Skylar and I've been told that he
> was the one that found her dead.
>
> he did not find her dead,but he sure did kill her,
> he was with her that night got called home sent
> her home with the drugs. When he could not get
> ahold of her sent someone over. Something about
> looking in a window. The parents get woken up at 5
> with the police and paramedics at the door. They
> have no idea what is going on. The paramedics tell
> them they go looking for her can't find her
> anywhere, they somehow she is hidden in her room
> and the next thing those poor parents know and see
> is the dead body of their daughter.
>
> This was a poor nieve girl that got mixed up with
> the wrong guy. Those parents did everything they
> could. But when you kids turn 19 you can't turn
> your back you can only be there and help and try
> to keep the bad kids away. unfortunately, the few
> times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's
> once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and
> Skylar should rot in jail.
>
> Lets just hope he does not get out on bail to do
> this to another unsuspecting person.




Obviously you do not know the whole story and what is true and what is not. Alicia did not only use "the few times" and "OD's once and dies the next." - The girl was an addict. She did not only use a FEW TIMES. She was addicted & did it very much. The news articles have made it seem like every time she did it she would OD, but that is not the case at all..

jojo is a good drug dealer name, I trust this guy is probably "inside" the case.

alicia was doing heroin and every other drug before skylar. and alicia TOOK the heroin from skylar so his mom wouldnt find it, he did not GIVE it to her and let her die.. obviously or he wouldnt have sent someone to check on her and call the house phone. get ur shit straight and alicia wasnt innocent at all, if she was still alive, no doubt she would be in this heroin ring too. she got the chance to stop and didnt want too, she killed HERSELF. and dont say she was a fucking poor nieve girl that got caught up with the wrong guy, i knew both of them b4 they started dating and alicia did hard-core drugs and skylar didnt. they were just bad news TOGETHER. not just SKYLAR was bad news. just because someone dies doesnt mean they were the best and most innocent person that lived.

just to add to that -- court records state and i can attest to the fact that alicia herself was BUYING (not just using) heroin from jr multiple times a week and sometimes every day in the months before she died. i knew alicia and i liked her very much, but to tag her as an innocent victim and skylar as a killer of all things is way out of line

it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead person. they can't offer rebuttal.

> unfortunately, the few
> times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's
> once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and
> Skylar should rot in jail.

---------------

how dumb are you? honestly if you had a kid and they overdosed 4 times are you really going to believe thats the only four times they did it? your gonna be one dumbass parent that everyone including your kid is going to laugh at. JR even said in the newspaper alicia was buying from him everyday to everyother day. but oh no shes so innocent, poor thing, she injected heroin into herself hundreds of times and killed herself? shes completely guilty. so how about you stop saying shit you know nothing about.

joeee - Do us all a favor and please stop caring so much, mmkay? Thanks.

if your friends were on trial with the possibility of life in prison and complete strangers were making incorrect statements and judgements about them you would care too. not trying to justify what they did, just trying to set the record straight.

This is a blog. Anything that you read or post is for entertainment purposes only and cannot be used against you in a a court of your peers.

joeee Wrote:
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> alicia was doing heroin and every other drug
> before skylar. and alicia TOOK the heroin from
> skylar so his mom wouldnt find it, he did not GIVE
> it to her and let her die.. obviously or he
> wouldnt have sent someone to check on her and call
> the house phone. get ur shit straight and alicia
> wasnt innocent at all, if she was still alive, no
> doubt she would be in this heroin ring too. she
> got the chance to stop and didnt want too, she
> killed HERSELF. and dont say she was a fucking
> poor nieve girl that got caught up with the wrong
> guy, i knew both of them b4 they started dating
> and alicia did hard-core drugs and skylar didnt.
> they were just bad news TOGETHER. not just SKYLAR
> was bad news. just because someone dies doesnt
> mean they were the best and most innocent person
> that lived.


Why do you know so much dude?

cicatriz Wrote:

>
> Why do you know so much dude?


Like all the other infotrolls, this person will never answer your very valid question. He would rather offer his "facts" and have you just blindly accept them, and is actually as much in the know as anyone else who reads the paper. But he knows if he is forced to tell "how he knows", people will know it's just third-hand speculation, and he will have no more netcred. Netcred is everything to anonymous trolls.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead
> person. they can't offer rebuttal.

yeah, isnt it great? :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead
> person. they can't offer rebuttal.


I prefer to sleep with them

cicatriz Wrote:
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> Why do you know so much dude?


IVEEEEEEE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFECTTEDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a parent of a drug addict, I would like to remind everyone out there that drug addiction is a disease. I am not condoning what they did, but trying to stop is not as easy as just walking away. Trying to live drug free after using heroin is not easy. The cravings will be with them for the rest of their lives. So sending these kids to prison for 20 years is not the answer. They need rehab, at least a year to learn the tools to be able to resist the urges; they need time for their bodies and brains to heal. And they need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. Having these kids (and I do mean kids) living in a prison for 20 years is a recipe for career criminals. Is that really what society needs? These kids need help.

And I too feel for the parents of these kids. But what I have learned is that until they decide they need help, there is little a parent can do except provide those opportunities to get help.

Parent Wrote:
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> As a parent of a drug addict, I would like to
> remind everyone out there that drug addiction is a
> disease. I am not condoning what they did, but
> trying to stop is not as easy as just walking
> away. Trying to live drug free after using heroin
> is not easy. The cravings will be with them for
> the rest of their lives. So sending these kids to
> prison for 20 years is not the answer. They need
> rehab, at least a year to learn the tools to be
> able to resist the urges; they need time for their
> bodies and brains to heal. And they need to learn
> that there are consequences for their actions.
> Having these kids (and I do mean kids) living in a
> prison for 20 years is a recipe for career
> criminals. Is that really what society needs?
> These kids need help.
>
> And I too feel for the parents of these kids. But
> what I have learned is that until they decide they
> need help, there is little a parent can do except
> provide those opportunities to get help.


A stint in prison should give them

"at least a year to learn the tools to be able to resist the urges";

and

"time for their bodies and brains to heal"

not to mention

that they can there "learn that there are consequences for their actions"

I am sorry that these kids ended up where they did, but prison time sounds like an appropriate measure to afford them what you contend that they need.

I agree, rehab is great for the druggies who haven't moved on to endangering others' lives.. these kids are dangerous and "just" rehab will send the wrong message all around.

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply only rehab. Yes, they need punishment time, however, I still contend that 20 years + is too long. And combine the prison time with rehab. Make the time really count by giving them the tools to help themselves and avoid the cycle of the career criminal. If they do that, then society won't have to support them and pay for their crimes continually.

>Make the time really count by giving them the tools to help themselves and avoid >the cycle of the career criminal. If they do that, then society won't have to >support them and pay for their crimes continually.


i couldnt agree more.

prison for 20 or more is NOT the right solution.
drug addiction is a sickness. being addicted to something like heroin is truly a horrible disease.

This kids are all pieces of shit who in my family would be disowned and never spoken to again. 20 Years in prison... seems like they have all the time in the world to get off these drugs...BEHIND BARS. Remember.. they did this to themselves. Its a great lesson of greed and kharma. Now they can go to prison and have there buttholes torned up. :D Happy new yEar!

And i am a recovering addict who went to rehab. And i still have no sympathy for them. Leave it to the ghetto to hustle hard drugs and keep it out of my neighborhood plz. Thanx.

shitonyou Wrote:
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> And i am a recovering addict who went to rehab.
> And i still have no sympathy for them. Leave it
> to the ghetto to hustle hard drugs and keep it out
> of my neighborhood plz. Thanx.

Amen bro.

shitonyou Wrote:
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> This kids are all pieces of shit who in my family
> would be disowned and never spoken to again. 20
> Years in prison... seems like they have all the
> time in the world to get off these drugs...BEHIND
> BARS. Remember.. they did this to themselves. Its
> a great lesson of greed and kharma. Now they can
> go to prison and have there buttholes torned up.
> :D Happy new yEar!



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I can't believe how many people out there are angels. I mean, wow, no one has ever made a mistake! Or if they did, they never got caught so it is easy to judge someone else. You are a bunch of hypocrites.

Just remember, what goes around comes around. These kids are facing their punishment now and I know some of them are committed to turning their lives around. Some of you will have to face the judgment from a much higher authority and guess what, no parole.

Shocked Wrote:
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> Just remember, what goes around comes around.
> These kids are facing their punishment now and I
> know some of them are committed to turning their
> lives around. Some of you will have to face the
> judgment from a much higher authority and guess
> what, no parole.

karma = fiction


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Wow, there are a lot of know it alls and experts out there. To re-iterate, don't always believe what you read, especially in the liberal rag.
I'm sure from a parent's perspective they are ALL doing what the can or know how to help their children, everyone lives, recovers, etc in their own way. Some may not "bounce" as easily. I can't believe that any parent wants to see their child hurt themselves, and for you recovering drug addicts, stop and think, this could have been you too, you just got lucky. No one means to hurt themselves or others when they first start, it just comes with the territory the further you go.
And yes if a crime took place there should be a reasonable consequence that fits. Perpetual dealers, are much different than a drug abuser. The tables could very well be turned and Alicia would be facing the same charges. How would the parents, and you all feel then?
One last thought, check your history and maybe you will find that drug abuse is deeper in "her" family too.....there is always two sides to every story don't forget......

Wow,,surprised to see this thread is still hanging in there.

The heroin problem is bigger than you think.

There are 4 Dr.'s in the United States that work with the Naltrexone implant. The closest one is in Richmond, VA. His name is Dr. Peter Coleman. The implant is composed of chemicals that will block opiates. It's surgically implanted just under the skin, and dissolves over time. Yes,,I know those of you ready to pounce on me, with comments that it sounds like gastric bypass,,,and if an addict needs a fix...they can overdose,,,,yes, they can. So far, the statistics on this procedure,,,,have a 100% success rate, for relapse on heroin. It takes the cravings away, and withdrawal symptoms,,and blocks any future use. The addict still needs the programs, therapy, and support. They still need to address the underlying issues that led to abuse. We've just finished one whole year without heroin. I can honestly tell you, it was well worth the effort to track down this Dr., and travel down to Richmond. Without it, I would not have my daughter today.

It amazes me that so many of these posts are made by people who have no true idea of what heroin addiction really is.

The Naltrexone Implant, google it.

i've heard a few different rumors going around but wanted to see if anyone here knows what the latest is with this?

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> i've heard a few different rumors going around but
> wanted to see if anyone here knows what the latest
> is with this?

Anyone who knows the latest is really just going to be posting more rumors so as long as you've heard those why don't you post them? Isn't that what web forums are all about?

I hope when they make the movie they do it kinda like this thread, where the narrative changes based on the perspective of whos telling the story. Kinda like the Kurosawa flick, Rashomon.

Rashomon is an all-time great film, even mentioning it on this dirty forum tarnishes it.

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Lannes,
I am truly sorry about the loss of your dear daughter, she looks so young and beautiful and full of hope for the future.
Thank you for the lives you have saved, possibly my son's, by working with the FBI to halt this illegal and deadly activity in our community.
I pray for you and your family, your daughter was very lucky to have such loving parents.
A caring and thankful parent....

Sorry if this is late...I just wonder how many more links will come out of this!!! Wowww

http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/fourth_death_linked_to_va._heroin_ring/27807/

i knew these kids. I went to school with them. I hung out at their houses. I worked with one of them. They are not all bad. Some of these kids can and will grow up to be somebody.

20 years to life is not the answer.

The people who died also knew the risks they were taking when they took the drugs. Not to take away from their lives at all. I knew one of the victims too. She was sweet, kind, beautiful, smart, and an amazing young woman. Someone the world will miss.

But that is no reason to ruin the lives of over 10 more young adults. We need to make changes to peoples lives, not just throw people in jail and pat law enforcement on the back. It is up to us. Friends, family, everyone can help in some way to prevent these things. But ultimately they have to make the decision. So stop judging them and help them.

Yea and these fucks who messed around with heroin knew the trouble they were getting into too. So they deserve to be behind bars for a long time

LuckyMom Wrote:

> The Naltrexone Implant, google it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naltrexone

2 more bite the dust...

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0209/592445.html

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In the immortal words of a No Limit/TRU soldier, "Forty muthafuckin' years!".

I'm sure they knew that buying and selling Heroin is illegal and you can go to jail.

(Personally I think all drugs should be legal. If people want to waste away their lifes doing draino to get high let them. Half of NoVa residents are on some type of prescribed happy pills\anti-depressents anyway. Doctors in FFX county hand out the stuff like office candy. Most NoVa residents wake up in the morning and slug down coffee to get caffine in their system so they are ready for work...)



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..says Lurker, who was apparently "prescribed" hard liquor for his "ailments".

Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for centuries my friend!

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> Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for
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So has opium, snuff, etc... and was very socially acceptable.

shitonyou, thank you for being ignorant. lest we forget, drugs are quite possibly even easier to obtain in jail than on the street. throwing these people in jail isn't going to stop their drug use, if that's the solution you're aiming towards. it isn't going to prevent anyone who isn't incarcerated from doing drugs on the street, and while it may be a godsend for some of these kids to be locked up and safe from the streets, for others it will very easily make them worse. they all certainly will get what the deserve and have to take responsibility for their choices in life, but never has it been true to say that throwing people in prison because they made poor choices will solve the problem and let us forget what we face each day. all of the problems and crime and drug use that goes on in daily life will continue, the only thing that will be absent is these young peoples' presence. so, thank god you can now sleep easy knowing that sending these kids to jail ISN'T going to solve the world's problems, fairfax county's problems, or the problems that youth have found themselves thrown into today. good work.

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> acceptable.


Snuff is pulverized tobacco, as far as I know.

New Indictment in Heroin Case

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021303423.html

schnippel in even more trouble now...

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These news stories all report that 4 people have died from ODing on heroin but we only know who two of them are, presumably pretty white girls. So who are the other two? Just a couple of random smack-shootin dudes who aren't newsworthy because they wouldn't get as much public sympathy as pretty white girls do?

OTOH, maybe their families don't want their kid's name in news.

wowww skylar has definitely screwed himself 2x over now. but he is an idiot for calling and texting that kid to ask him to lie for him...doesn't he know that if he's under a federal investigation the feds are tapping his phone? also his poor parents/family...they are nice ppl. duncan parker is the 3rd death that no one really talks about -- he died in september. then i know jon grymkoski died of a heroin overdose but that was back in 2006 so i'm not sure that he's included in the 4 ppl they are talking about.

I've been in C'ville for over thirty years and am apalled at how my beloved town has turned into the armpit of NOVA. Manassas is definately the other armpit. The wannabe Trailer Park Posse that thinks it is the shit is so ridiculous. Thanks for turning a nice town into a laughable joke. Back in the days of NTC and CVC this would have been squashed quick.

To all:

Don't believe everything that you hear or read from the news. Everything has its own biased opinions. No one will know the truth about anything. Even when a court date is reached and the trial is over and done; there still will be things that we don't know and rumors and lies will still be out there.

Latest info based on reports in press provided below. The first four guilty pleas to be reported in 2/28/09 Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701705.html

Deaths attributed to "ring" (media claims at least 4, but only 3 have been named):

Lannes Alicia 19 Centreville, VA Overdose Death 3/5/08
Parker Duncan 21 Overdose Sep-08
Somers Carmen 20 Falls Curch, VA Overdose 9/7/08
???? ??? ??? Overdose Death ???

"Ring" arrests & court status (media now reporting 15 arrests, only 14 named):

Schnippel Skylar 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: May-09
Quick Joshua 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 19 year sentence on 2/27/09
Schreider David 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 63 month sentence on 2/27/09
Nash Daniel 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 20 year sentence on 2/27/09
Gibson Tayler 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/21/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Rawat Lokesh 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 46 month sentence on 2/27/09
Richter Anna 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/12/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Zuiker Kevin 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/5/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
Aycock Angela 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/6/09 Sentence Date: 4/24/09
Kacvinsky Andrew 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: ???
Remington Jessica 19 Fairfax, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/5/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
Shade Ashleigh 19 Fairfax, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/12/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Harper Antonio 33 Washington, DC Arrested 11/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: ???
Greenlee Matthew 23 Fairfax, VA Arrested 1/12/09 Guilty Plea 2/6/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
??? ??? ?? ???? Arrested Feb-09

Joshua "JR" Quick, 21, was sentenced to 19 years in prison, and Daniel Nash, 19, was sentenced to 20 years. Both men pled guilty to charges connected to the heroin overdose death of Alicia Lannes, who was dating another member of the drug ring.

David Schreider, 20, got a sentence of 63 months. Lokesh Rawat, 19, was sentenced to a term of 46 months.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/022709_stiff_sentences_in_va_heroin_ring

Damn that is some hard time - their lives are done.

Good! Over-privileged little pieces of shit with more money than brains. Their wealthy parents can't get them out of this one. Good fucking riddance. Enjoy prison you rich fucks!

Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these people or their cases. however, your childish comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of these people on your kids and then some.

Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these people or their cases. however, your childish comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of these people on your kids and then some.


My kids don't sell heroin you fatuous ass!

I was a little surprised at the length of some of the sentences, the 19 and 29 years. I didn't follow the timing of the case but my guess is there still hasn't been a Rule 35 hearing yet for some of these folks, which is where the proscecutor and defense ask for a "downward departure" of the sentence for the cooperation (snitching/testifying) of the defendants. There seems to be a couple of the indicted who are going to trial, it will be interesting to read up on who shows up to testify. A rule of thumb is that the snitches are first to plead guilty and the last to be sentenced, but sometimes the judges have to lay down the sentence first and then reduce it post cooperation. The white collar guys who snitch get to stay out and defer sentencing for years sometimes.

You have to do 85% of your time in the feds at least and if you can do the residential drug program, they'll shave another year off. The 20 year guy is going to do about 16 and a half with that scenario, the 63 month will do just over 3 before halfway house, the 46 month guy will probably barely have enough time in to get in shape.

It's a tragic waste of lives, time and brain cells. It was sad to see the photo of the girl who died in the Post yesterday.

If you can't so no to drugs, at least say no to this shit,you f-ing morons.

I thought this thread was about superhero females who's rings were broken.

Boy was I mistaken...

girl who died in the Post yesterday.

The Post has really got to do something about all these girls dying in it!

This post proudly brought to you by the Fairfax County Police

Walter Sobchak Wrote:
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> Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these
> people or their cases. however, your childish
> comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of
> these people on your kids and then some.
>
>
> My kids don't sell heroin you fatuous ass!

I think everyone knows plenty about these individuals. They committed numerous crimes in Fairfax and other jurisdictions and since they were released or given light sentences by the very liberal court system in Fairfax county, they felt like they could continue their criminal beavior without consequence. Well the Feds made them believe otherwise. Unfortunately their circle of loser friends will probably pick up where they left off since they are no smarter. Most folks are glad to have these scabs of society locked upwhere they cant hurt anyone else for awhile. Who cares what happens to them in prison, they had. every oppurtunity that living in suburbia could offer,they just choose to take what they thought was an easy path. Karma will kick your butt every time.

These children are victims of the evil drugs, and should be treated with kid gloves.

sky should've listened to "obie trice - the set up" before he hung out with l. day...damn...

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> Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for
> centuries my friend!


Yea, it has been, but I don't recall anyone sucking a dick for a cup of coffee. There's not a person in the US who doesn't know the affects of shooting heroin. Let em rot

Well, it certainly looks like Skylar is getting part of what deserves. He will get the rest in prison for sure. I will be in court the day he is sentenced. If his parents had a half of a brain between the 2 of them they might be dangerous, but we don't have to worry about that or he would not have been dumb enough to be out on bond a pull the stunt he pulled and got busted! See you on your big day "Sky". May Alicia Rest In Peace & Skylar Rot In Pieces...Look for me on your sentencing day, I will be the one with the yellow ribbon!