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> Exponential relationship Wrote:
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> > YThJt Wrote:
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> > > Oh god Wrote:
> > >
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> > > -----
> > > > pay up Wrote:
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> > > > -----
> > > > > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
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> > > > > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on
> average
> > > > lets
> > > > > say
> > > > > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents
> > per
> > > > > gallon
> > > > > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25
> > > miles
> > > > > per
> > > > > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets
> > call
> > > > it
> > > > > > 10000 to be conservative. The average
> > truck
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000
> gallons
> > > of
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > per year. That truck driver therefore
> > pays
> > > > $130
> > > > > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000
> > miles,
> > > > but
> > > > > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full
> > > range
> > > > > of
> > > > > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which
> means
> > > they
> > > > > pay
> > > > > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50
> > in
> > > > gas
> > > > > tax
> > > > > > payment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than
> > hybrid,
> > > > > > therefore it causes lets say a
> > conservative
> > > > 50
> > > > > > times more maintenance needs on the
> road
> > > > (that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > very conservative). In order for the
> fee
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a
> > > truck
> > > > > > should be equal to the ratio of the
> > fatigue
> > > > > load
> > > > > > damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your fatigue load damage numbers are
> based
> > > upon
> > > > > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your
> studies
> > > > > addresses POVs. Until you can come up
> with
> > > > > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain
> a
> > > lil
> > > > > bitch whining about having to pay
> $67/year
> > > for
> > > > > your fagmobile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck
> > and
> > > > comparing a 40% increase over another big
> > truck
> > > or
> > > > comparing a small car to a SUV. The
> equation
> > > > remains the same
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > > -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
> > > >
> > > > The life cycle of the asphalt (number of
> > times
> > > a
> > > > load can be applied) plummets when you go
> from
> > a
> > > 2
> > > > ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when
> you
> > go
> > > > from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle,
> yes
> > > it
> > > > continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean
> > the
> > > > same relationship doesnt exist between the
> 2
> > > ton
> > > > and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in
> > the
> > > > case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast
> > split
> > > > among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel)
> > where
> > > as
> > > > a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The
> > only
> > > > difference is an 18 wheeler would be like
> 4.5
> > > SUVs
> > > > driving in unison everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > You are a complete imbecile.
> > >
> > >
> > > You're high.
> > >
> > > Your own chart shows that the relationship is
> > > highly nonlinear and you seem to understand
> > that
> > > as it favors one aspect of your argument.
> Then
> > > you switch back to trying to make it appear
> that
> > a
> > > relatively very light truck is even in the
> same
> > > range as heavy vehicles.
> > >
> > > 80KN is about 18,000 lbs./axle (times N axles
> > for
> > > purposes of such calculations, not divided by
> > the
> > > number of wheels). A standard 1/2 ton pickup
> > or
> > > SUV wouldn't show up as much of even a blip
> on
> > > your chart. And once you get below a certain
> > > weight, whatever that may be, then it begins
> to
> > > approach insignificant values and other
> factors
> > > like overall traffic levels, weathering and
> > > heat/freeze cycles, etc., begin to outweigh
> (no
> > > pun intended) any effect of individual load.
> > >
> > > Practically speaking, I seriously doubt that
> > there
> > > is any significant difference between
> > load-related
> > > wear between a typical light car and light
> > truck.
> > > If you want to claim that there is, then find
> > > something to support that more directly, not
> by
> > > very stretched extrapolation.
> >
> >
> > The fact that it has an exponential
> relationship
> > only makes it that much more dependent on
> weight
> > you douche. Yes it tapers off, when you are
> > dealing with freight trucks that are worth the
> > same as 8000 car trips, but that doesnt mean
> that
> > the "light truck" that weighs double that of
> the
> > sedan doesnt still have exponentially more wear
> on
> > the asphalt as the sedan.
> >
> > Weather conditions from frost heave are
> important,
> > but when you are talking about major roadways,
> its
> > never the cause of the fatigue, its always load
> > counts.
> >
> > The reason the difference between light trucks
> and
> > sedans look insignificant is because that is a
> > logarithmic scale where the high end is
> thousands
> > of times. But in reality when a truck has 50
> times
> > more fatigue caused on a road surface than
> another
> > car, then that is still a significant amount
> more
> > (even though its not nearly as much as a
> > commercial freight truck, which pays weight
> fees
> > by the way).
> >
> > So go ahead and still suck it
>
>
> You were saying?
>
> When I asked the mayor’s press office for data
> to support the claim, I was directed to a study
> for the Oregon Department of Transportation, which
> found that “road damage increases much more than
> proportionately with vehicle weight on a roadway
> surface.” So I emailed Anthony Rufolo, a
> Portland State University professor who
> co-authored the study to ask if that conclusion
> applied to SUVs and minivans. His response: No.
>
> The study, he told me “has no relevance to
> passenger vehicles. Passenger vehicles (or light
> vehicles) have not been found to damage roads. The
> federal government and various states analyze the
> appropriate cost allocation between light and
> heavy vehicles due to road damage. None of the
> studies attribute much increase in road damage to
> more use by light vehicles.”
>
>
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman
> /chi-chicagos-vehicle-sticker-increase-20111019,0,
> 4086033.story
>
> Ouch, that has to hurt for you...
>
> Oh, and more....
>
> Short run marginal road costs from autos and other
> light vehicles are directly related to miles
> driven and, despite increasing variance in vehicle
> weights (and fuel efficiency), there is not much
> difference in the damage done to the road by
> different types of light vehicles (whereas there
> is a big difference in damage to the road done by
> heavy trucks of different weight groups and with
> different axle configurations). Indeed, Merriss
> (2004) notes that the “difference in pavement
> damage imposed by a 6,000-pound large SUV versus a
> 3,500-pound compact car is inconsequential as
> compared to the difference in (pavement) damage
> imposed by either of these vehicles versus a
> fully-loaded 80,000-pound truck” (p.2).
>
>
http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/40000/40500/40500/ODOT-VMT_
> Fee_Impacts.pdf
>
> I hope you and your boyfriend had a nice ride into
> work this morning in your fagmobile.
Ok, then the argument that Hybrids cause damage to the road is false asswipe, therefore there should be no additional tax for the purpose of recouping maintenance costs on hybrids. You can't have it both ways you little ass licker, and if you look at my comment you will see THAT is what I said.
PS everything causes damage to everything so whatever this professor (a fancy word for someone who can't actually find a job) is saying is total tripe. Practically speaking, when you are talking about the lifecycle of a road, it always comes down to freight truck volumes because of the fact that freight trucks can cause a full days sedan fatigue just with one trip.
That being said, that doesn't mean that the other vehicles dont also cause damage, its simply that they aren't the drivers for the fatigue. Regardless, in the discussion of marginal damages, light trucks still cause 50-100 times more damage than sedans (as minimal as that is in the grand scheme).
So yer still full of shit shit for brains.