Cyclist in Hospital With Life Threatening Injuries After Crash
Fairfax County Police investigating a bicycle vs. car crash in McLean.
http://mclean.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/cyclist-in-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-crash

A 50-year-old cyclist was taken to Inova Fairfax Hospital with life threatening injuries Monday after a collision with a small SUV in McLean.

At about 6:47 p.m. a Ford Escape and a bicyclist collided in the intersection of Lewinsville Road and Titania Lane, said Lucy Caldwell, a spokeswoman with the Fairfax County Police Department.

Caldwell said the cyclist was traveling northbound on Lewinsville Road when the car turned left onto Titania Lane in front of the bicycle.

Caldwell said the cyclist hit the passenger side of the car.

“Police are still investigating it and no charges have been filed,” she said.

Patch will update this story as more information becomes available.

In May, a McLean man was injured in a vehicle vs. cyclist collision with an SUV in Falls Church.

Police said collisions between vehicles and cyclists in Fairfax County increased in 2012 from 2011 with 54 such collisions including one fatality. That was up from 44 accidents between bicyclists and vehicles with no fatalities in 2011.

Translation: The cyclist arrogantly rode in the path of an incoming SUV thinking it would stop for him but it didn't.

The cyclist is lucky to still be alive and I hope he learned his lesson.

looks like he couldnt escape that ford!

Correction: Motorist ignores cyclist and injures/kills him because they don't know how to drive. Prolbably a woman driving an SUV and on her cell phone.

These bicyclists have no damn business cycling on our busy roads in this area. They are impossible to see. This area is dangerous enough and yet these cyclists treat our busy roads as if it were the countryside. Bike lanes or not, this area is simply too congested to share the roads. I hope that SUV driver doesn't face charges or a lawsuit. Bikers, stay on the O&D trail. Stay off Georgetown Pike, Old Dominion, Great Falls Road and Lewinsville.

"Bikers, stay on the O&D trail" - UM NO. They need to stay off there as well.

But I agree with everything else you said. It needs to become illegal for bikes to be on the road. I mean WTF is the point? What's so hard about riding on the damn sidewalk? Seriously. I HATE seeing those idiots in the road. Then some shit like this happens, the bikers cry but this really needs to stop. They need to stay off the roads, period. They have no place on the roads.

Fred Wrote:
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> These bicyclists have no damn business cycling on
> our busy roads in this area. They are impossible
> to see. This area is dangerous enough and yet
> these cyclists treat our busy roads as if it were
> the countryside. Bike lanes or not, this area is
> simply too congested to share the roads. I hope
> that SUV driver doesn't face charges or a lawsuit.
> Bikers, stay on the O&D trail. Stay off Georgetown
> Pike, Old Dominion, Great Falls Road and
> Lewinsville.

Share the road, Motherfucker.


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Among cyclists and motorcycle riders this is called a "left hook" and it's the SUV driver's fault. Cyclist had the right of way.

Radian Wrote:
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> Among cyclists and motorcycle riders this is
> called a "left hook" and it's the SUV driver's
> fault. Cyclist had the right of way.

Yep. Typical SUV driver -- big, dumb, and clueless.

"The cyclist arrogantly rode in the path of an incoming SUV"

^^This. I've had several idiots on bikes sailing along, oblivious to everything except the sound of lycra rubbing their asses, seemingly unable to comprehend that a vehicle at an intersection - before said bicyclist arrives - with signal on might actually be turning.

Idiots exist on either side of the road...

Cars and bikes don't mix Wrote:
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> Translation: The cyclist arrogantly rode in the
> path of an incoming SUV thinking it would stop for
> him but it didn't.
>
> The cyclist is lucky to still be alive and I hope
> he learned his lesson.

Sounds like the SUV (wanna be) turned into the path of the cyclist--how is that the bike's fault? You people bitch when the cyclists DON'T follow the rules of the road and then blame them for their injuries when they do follow the laws....

Yes, looks like the bike had the right-of-way and the SUV turn left into him. However, I was on Sterling Blvd (yes, not FFX Co.) this past weekend and can't believe the bicyclists ignoring their Stop sign on the W&OD Trail and going right out across Sterling and expecting the cars to stop for them. There is only a bicycle warning sign on Sterling but nowhere is there a stop or yield sign on Sterling for the cars. There's a fatality waiting to happen.

Bike -vs- Car....car wins every time. Stay off the road if you want to live.

"Sounds like the SUV (wanna be) turned into the path of the cyclist"

Sounds like you're trying to apologize for the biker. It's an intersection, and has a painted bike intersection. Bikes are supposed to stop there, but I can count on one hand the number who actually do...

But hey, it's a demon SUV... (well, ford escape)

jim143 Wrote:
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> Yes, looks like the bike had the right-of-way and
> the SUV turn left into him. However, I was on
> Sterling Blvd (yes, not FFX Co.) this past weekend
> and can't believe the bicyclists ignoring their
> Stop sign on the W&OD Trail and going right out
> across Sterling and expecting the cars to stop for
> them. There is only a bicycle warning sign on
> Sterling but nowhere is there a stop or yield sign
> on Sterling for the cars. There's a fatality
> waiting to happen.

Yes, that's very true I drive thru there everyday and they ignore the stop sign and ride right into traffic.

From the Virginia's driver's manual:

"To make a left turn you should be in the furthest left lane
possible. Signal your intent to turn by using the proper turn
signal. You should signal at least three to four seconds, 100
feet, ahead of the turn. Look in all directions, checking
the intersection for pedestrians and traffic coming from the
opposite direction. Keep your front wheels pointed straight
ahead until you are actually going to make the left turn. This
prevents you from being pushed into oncoming traffic if
another vehicle crashes into you from behind. When the way
is clear, make the left turn, yield to any vehicles (including
bicycles and pedestrians) approaching from the opposite
direction"


Technically the SUV *may* have been at fault. I wasn't there and don't know the situation. The bicycle could have been running a red light for all I know and be completely at fault. One thing for sure though is that a bicycling is no where near as visible as a moped, motorcycle, car, truck, SUV, etc. It's kind of crazy that they should be treated about the same as cars when they are almost impossible to see [as quickly] in many cases and tend to break the rules / ride like assholes.

In my opinion, if a sidewalk is available then the bicycle should be riding on that instead of fucking up traffic on the road. There is no way it's safer to ride on the road than the sidewalk.

jim143 Wrote:
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> Yes, looks like the bike had the right-of-way and
> the SUV turn left into him. However, I was on
> Sterling Blvd (yes, not FFX Co.) this past weekend
> and can't believe the bicyclists ignoring their
> Stop sign on the W&OD Trail and going right out
> across Sterling and expecting the cars to stop for
> them. There is only a bicycle warning sign on
> Sterling but nowhere is there a stop or yield sign
> on Sterling for the cars. There's a fatality
> waiting to happen.

I cross that part of the path every single day and those arrogant fucking bikers just refuse to stop at that intersection.

My favorite is when bleeding heart driver stops and waves the bikers across ignoring the fact they only control 1 lane of traffic. Then someone in the other lane almost runs down the bikers. Its amazing there aren't weekly fatalities at that intersection.

lolwtf Wrote:
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> >
> In my opinion, if a sidewalk is available then the
> bicycle should be riding on that instead of
> fucking up traffic on the road. There is no way
> it's safer to ride on the road than the sidewalk.

Problem is, then you put every person walking on the sidewalk in danger. Some of the bikers think they are running in the Tour de France!

Road- cars Sidewalk- pedestrians Bike path- bikes

facepalm Wrote:
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>
> Sounds like the SUV (wanna be) turned into the
> path of the cyclist--how is that the bike's fault?
>

The biker will have plenty of time to ponder the finer points of traffic law while they're laying in traction at Fairfax hospital.

Even if the bike legally had the right of way, good sense dictates that the 3000 lb piece of metal moving at 35 mph ALWAYS has the right of way.

The Escape driver may be at fault but the cyclist must not have been paying attention. Let's see... Approaching intersection, vehicle approaching from other direction, anticipate that vehicle could possibly turn left, watch vehicle closely as we enter intersection, brake and swerve at first indication that vehicle is turning. You're on a bicycle! Not very fast and 100x more nimble than a vehicle. If you broadside a car, it's a given you weren't paying attention.

I have a hard time seeing how this could be the fault of the cyclist. Its a broad intersection and the car had the stop sign. That plus the fact that even a fast cyclist cannot exceed ~30 mph on a flat. I suspect the driver was distracted and the cyclist paid the price.


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Drive and cycle defensively Wrote:
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> The Escape driver may be at fault but the cyclist
> must not have been paying attention. Let's see...
> Approaching intersection, vehicle approaching from
> other direction, anticipate that vehicle could
> possibly turn left, watch vehicle closely as we
> enter intersection, brake and swerve at first
> indication that vehicle is turning. You're on a
> bicycle! Not very fast and 100x more nimble than a
> vehicle. If you broadside a car, it's a given you
> weren't paying attention.

The car had to have accelerated into the path of the bike seconds before impact - there was no way for the cyclist to avoid the car or Im sure it would have. In other words even on a bike you cannot stop in one second. This is 100 percent driver error on the car and that motorist will pay some very large fee in civil court. If you look at the intersection the car had a perfectly clear view of oncoming traffic on Lewinsville and the cyclist had every reason to believe that the car at the stop sign would yield to oncoming traffic.

They should charge the idiot in the SUV with attempted murder to at least attempted manslaughter. Clearly they were in the wrong. Anyone who can't figure out the idiot SUV driver was in the wrong shouldn't have a drivers license.

+1 That pretty much sums it up.


Kilton Wrote:
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> Radian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Among cyclists and motorcycle riders this is
> > called a "left hook" and it's the SUV driver's
> > fault. Cyclist had the right of way.
>
> Yep. Typical SUV driver -- big, dumb, and
> clueless.

"Its a broad intersection and the car had the stop sign."


So did the bike. Which, BTW, "hit the Escape in the passenger door". And if that's a "broad intersection", then I'm 7'8".

I drive that stretch from time to time, and it's not unusual at all for bikers to ignore the bike lane stop lines.

Sure, the driver could've blown thru the left turn & hit a just starting up from a dead stop biker with the passenger door. It's also possible that said biker was blowing thru the stop & collided w/a turning vehicle.

Nah, that's crazy talk. Bikers are saints.

And how are cyclists supposed to get to the bike paths? By the roads which they have as much right to use as you do. But you know what really has no place on the roads: stupid useless SUVs driven by overcompensaters like yourself!

Where are you in such a hurry to get anyway a child porn photo shoot?

Stabitha Wrote:
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> lolwtf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > In my opinion, if a sidewalk is available then
> the
> > bicycle should be riding on that instead of
> > fucking up traffic on the road. There is no way
> > it's safer to ride on the road than the
> sidewalk.
>
> Problem is, then you put every person walking on
> the sidewalk in danger. Some of the bikers think
> they are running in the Tour de France!
>
> Road- cars Sidewalk- pedestrians Bike path-
> bikes

"But you know what really has no place on the roads"

Bikers who don't know that a painted white line across a bike lane means "Stop"?

Stabitha Wrote:
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> lolwtf Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > In my opinion, if a sidewalk is available then
> the
> > bicycle should be riding on that instead of
> > fucking up traffic on the road. There is no way
> > it's safer to ride on the road than the
> sidewalk.
>
> Problem is, then you put every person walking on
> the sidewalk in danger. Some of the bikers think
> they are running in the Tour de France!


That is a ridiculous argument. "I" don't put anyone at danger. The only one that can put someone in danger is the cyclist. The law allows them to go ont he sidewalks, so that's not really a debate here. There is absolutely nothing preventing a bicycle from slowing down or completely stopping (they can get off) if they encounter people or objects blocking the sidewalk. They can frequently also go into grass or other areas. Now back to your point of them thinking it's the Tour de France -- that implies they are biking like assholes and can't follow common sense and decency when biking. This is probably the case but totally up to the biker.

Sounds like you're trying to apologize for the biker. It's an intersection, and has a painted bike intersection.

Sounds like you're full of shit, bub. Here's the intersection in question:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=+titania+lane,+McLean,+VA&hl=en&ll=38.941023,-77.218528&spn=0.000008,0.003514&sll=38.939617,-77.225389&sspn=0.024467,0.02811&t=h&hnear=Titania+Ln,+McLean,+Fairfax,+Virginia+22102&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.941114,-77.21881&panoid=gKv10ERqketVu6N1uJyjDg&cbp=12,128.78,,0,13.6

See a stop sign anywhere? Because I sure don't. The bike would have been where the garbage truck is in the photo.

Bike had the right of way. SUV left hooked him, case closed.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "Its a broad intersection and the car had the stop
> sign."
>
>
> So did the bike. Which, BTW, "hit the Escape in
> the passenger door". And if that's a "broad
> intersection", then I'm 7'8".
>
> I drive that stretch from time to time, and it's
> not unusual at all for bikers to ignore the bike
> lane stop lines.
>
> Sure, the driver could've blown thru the left turn
> & hit a just starting up from a dead stop biker
> with the passenger door. It's also possible that
> said biker was blowing thru the stop & collided
> w/a turning vehicle.
>
> Nah, that's crazy talk. Bikers are saints.


NO the bike had no 'stop' sign - it was going with the flow of traffic. If you look at the picture on the map you would see no indication for any vehicle on Lewinsville to stop, including bikes. By your logic bikes would cause havock by stopping at every single intersection regardless of flow of traffic or right of way - be you would love that on single lane roads with no shoulder. You traffic would crawl to a stop yeilding to the bike.

Likely you are just as blind as the person in the suv and you simply 'think' there are stop signs for bikes everywhere. Further you appear to think that you can pull out into traffic without looking at what is coming. Your mind is pulp

SUV point of view below. The driver would have to be blind to miss the bike. At even 30 mph the bike would have been entering the intersection for it to hit the drivers door (front of the car). This isnt even close the driver simply did not see the bike and its their fault.


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"NO the bike had no 'stop' sign"

See the white paint tapering across the lane? What do you think it's there for, decoration?

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "NO the bike had no 'stop' sign"
>
> See the white paint tapering across the lane? What
> do you think it's there for, decoration?

Seriously, you cannot be that stupid can you? That is not a bike lane marking its a marking for parked cars you idiot. This is the reason we have morons like you hitting cyclists

btw Fairfax County lists the site of the accident and the road the cyclist was riding in under byciling routes as "Preferred Streets and Roads." The cyclist was picked this road among many possibly because Fairfax County designated it as 'preferred.' Apologists for the mortist, what more do you want?

http://fairfaxcountygis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=cbfb0840e41344a48d1f7d37e999b3c4

Cars and bikes don't mix Wrote:
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> Translation: The cyclist arrogantly rode in the
> path of an incoming SUV thinking it would stop for
> him but it didn't.
>
> The cyclist is lucky to still be alive and I hope
> he learned his lesson.

Another cyclist who wasn't following the rules of the road.

WE NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT ON CYCLISTS!

Preferred Streets and Roads Wrote:
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> Apologists for the mortist, what
> more do you want?
>

Bikes off the roads COMPLETELY.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "NO the bike had no 'stop' sign"
>
> See the white paint tapering across the lane? What
> do you think it's there for, decoration?

here is what a bike lane approaching an intersection looks like when rider has right of way http://goo.gl/maps/W1UVJ

dingbat

This biker went strait into the side of the car. No doubt it was the SUV driver's fault but if this man was paying attention he could have avoided hitting the car. He hit face first at like 30 mph. IF you're a bike rider and you want to "share the road" then look out for yourself. You can't honestly think that since you're allowed on the road that it's a good idea. There are much bigger vehicles going twice your speed and not everybody is paying attention. Be careful out there. Take this for example http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22616083/video-cyclist-runs-red-light-struck-by-taxicab-during-group-ride-promoting-bike-safety#axzz2WgQqF3v0. This bike rider was on a ride promoting bike safety, he runs a red light and is struck by a taxi. Just like motorcycle riders have to be hyper-vigilant of their surroundings (because most of the time moto riders are killed at the fault of a car), bicycle riders should be even more careful.

One word….”Road Pizza”

Iwasthere Wrote:
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> This biker went strait into the side of the car.
> No doubt it was the SUV driver's fault but if this
> man was paying attention he could have avoided
> hitting the car. He hit face first at like 30 mph.
> IF you're a bike rider and you want to "share the
> road" then look out for yourself. You can't
> honestly think that since you're allowed on the
> road that it's a good idea. There are much bigger
> vehicles going twice your speed and not everybody
> is paying attention. Be careful out there. Take
> this for example
> http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22616083/video-cyclis
> t-runs-red-light-struck-by-taxicab-during-group-ri
> de-promoting-bike-safety#axzz2WgQqF3v0. This bike
> rider was on a ride promoting bike safety, he runs
> a red light and is struck by a taxi. Just like
> motorcycle riders have to be hyper-vigilant of
> their surroundings (because most of the time moto
> riders are killed at the fault of a car), bicycle
> riders should be even more careful.

That video is great, fucker got what he deserved. But I would have preferred if he'd broken a limb or two. He'll probably be right back at it when his ankle heals.

Iwasthere Wrote:
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> This biker went strait into the side of the car.
> No doubt it was the SUV driver's fault but if this
> man was paying attention he could have avoided
> hitting the car. He hit face first at like 30 mph.
> IF you're a bike rider and you want to "share the
> road" then look out for yourself. You can't
> honestly think that since you're allowed on the
> road that it's a good idea. There are much bigger
> vehicles going twice your speed and not everybody
> is paying attention. Be careful out there. Take
> this for example
> http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22616083/video-cyclis
> t-runs-red-light-struck-by-taxicab-during-group-ri
> de-promoting-bike-safety#axzz2WgQqF3v0. This bike
> rider was on a ride promoting bike safety, he runs
> a red light and is struck by a taxi. Just like
> motorcycle riders have to be hyper-vigilant of
> their surroundings (because most of the time moto
> riders are killed at the fault of a car), bicycle
> riders should be even more careful.

It's splatterific!

This needs to happen more often Wrote:
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> But I would have preferred if he'd broken a limb
> or two.

Poor you.


> He'll probably be right back at it when
> his ankle heals.

Undoubtedly.

Because he is TOUGH.

Much tougher than you.

Any cyclist's balls are bigger than those attached to the pathetic, shriveled "men" sitting slumped behind the wheel of their glass-enclosed motorized monkey cages.

Wimps hide behind over-tinted, shit-bespattered windshields.

Real men ride bikes.

Greencycler Wrote:
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> Undoubtedly.
>
> Because he is TOUGH.
>
> Much tougher than you.
>
> Any cyclist's balls are bigger than those attached
> to the pathetic, shriveled "men" sitting slumped
> behind the wheel of their glass-enclosed motorized
> monkey cages.
>
> Wimps hide behind over-tinted, shit-bespattered
> windshields.
>
> Real men ride bikes.

I think you're confusing tough and ballsy with retarded.

Because that's what you'd have to be to think biking on Nova streets is a good fucking idea.

Biking is not a good idea, it's a GREAT idea.

The sooner you get that through your thick skull the better off you'll be.

Greencycler Wrote:
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> Biking is not a good idea, it's a GREAT idea.
>
> The sooner you get that through your thick skull
> the better off you'll be.

I'm sure your retarded brain THINKS its a great idea, but you probably also like to drink paint.

"That is not a bike lane marking its a marking for parked cars you idiot"

So one can park in front of a hydrant? Riiiight. Keep it up, maroon.

BTW, further up the road the bike path & side are split, just not there, but don't let reality intrude on your world.

Still a bad idea... Wrote:
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> I'm sure your retarded brain THINKS its a great
> idea, but you probably also like to drink paint.

Pathetic.

I would suggest you grow a pair, but it would be as useless as telling a pig to grow wings.

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "That is not a bike lane marking its a marking for
> parked cars you idiot"
>
> So one can park in front of a hydrant? Riiiight.
> Keep it up, maroon.
>
> BTW, further up the road the bike path & side are
> split, just not there, but don't let reality
> intrude on your world.

He is right that those lines are there for parked cars. The bike lane is always painted to the left of that line. No just because there is a line there does not overrule the hydrant law. Further since when are stop lines tapered into a curb? Stop lines are always perpendicular to the traffic approaching and they are wider than the lane lines shown. So you simply do not understand bike lanes. A poster showed a picture of an actual FFX bike lane above - check it out and educate yourself it may save you a manslaughter conviction in the future...

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "That is not a bike lane marking its a marking for
> parked cars you idiot"
>
> So one can park in front of a hydrant? Riiiight.
> Keep it up, maroon.
>
> BTW, further up the road the bike path & side are
> split, just not there, but don't let reality
> intrude on your world.

Hey Jess1 you sir are a real class A moron yourself go to the link ('view larger map') below to see the bike lane YOU referenced on the same road 'tapering' parking line and all with the bike lane next to it. Ignorant jerk...


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One less dumb ass spandex wearing biker off the road.

Cars and bikes don't mix Wrote:
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> Translation: The cyclist arrogantly rode in the
> path of an incoming SUV thinking it would stop for
> him but it didn't.
>
> The cyclist is lucky to still be alive and I hope
> he learned his lesson.


Everybody on here that knows my previous posts on cyclists knows that I would love to see all cyclists ride off a cliff, but this is likely a case of two overly entitled assholes attempting to occupy the same space at the same time. If I had to write a ticket it would go to the SUV driver for failing to yield to oncoming traffic on a left turn...unless the cyclist blew through a stop sign (because they never do that, do they?) in which case the ticket would obviously go to the cyclist.

Either way I wish Lance Armstrong a speedy recovery and hope he learned his lesson: in the game of bike v. car the car will always win even if you're legally and/or morally right.

It's simple math really...

Bike versus Car = Permanent injuries or death.
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Fred Wrote:
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> These bicyclists have no damn business cycling on
> our busy roads in this area. They are impossible
> to see. This area is dangerous enough and yet
> these cyclists treat our busy roads as if it were
> the countryside. Bike lanes or not, this area is
> simply too congested to share the roads. I hope
> that SUV driver doesn't face charges or a lawsuit.
> Bikers, stay on the O&D trail. Stay off Georgetown
> Pike, Old Dominion, Great Falls Road and
> Lewinsville.

How about getting your eyes re-checked or stop f'ing with your cell phone? How can you not see a dude in spandex riding to the side of the road? Let me guess -- you drive an F-350 but you're a stay-at-home dad.

Ok well it's been two days right? Did the police charge either the driver or cycling with anything? If someone was actually at fault we should likely have that, no? It's not like this is a complex investigation.

lolwtf Wrote:
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> Ok well it's been two days right? Did the police
> charge either the driver or cycling with anything?
> If someone was actually at fault we should likely
> have that, no? It's not like this is a complex
> investigation.

Still not charges filed.

No charges is BS after this much time unless they are waiting to interview the near dead cyclist. How can you check to see if and when they will file a charge?

howtocheck Wrote:
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> No charges is BS after this much time unless they
> are waiting to interview the near dead cyclist.
> How can you check to see if and when they will
> file a charge?

Yep, I saw it on the news. Still no charges filed.

Wanna see something scary simply google the title of this thread "Cyclist in Hospital With Life Threatening Injuries After Crash"

This happens with regularity all around the country. Careful out there folks...

Cyclist in Hospital Wrote:
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> Wanna see something scary simply google the title
> of this thread "Cyclist in Hospital With Life
> Threatening Injuries After Crash"
>
> This happens with regularity all around the
> country. Careful out there folks...

Very good point!

Fuck cyclists. They need to stay on bike paths and off the roads. The roads are paid for by fuel taxes. Cars and trucks burn fuel so they own the roads. When I see an asshole on a cycle I blow the horn to freak them out, that is fun!

Cyclist in Hospital Wrote:
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> Wanna see something scary simply google the title
> of this thread "Cyclist in Hospital With Life
> Threatening Injuries After Crash"
>
> This happens with regularity all around the
> country. Careful out there folks...

Obviously it doesn't happen nearly enough because bikers still haven't gotten the message.

I guess us drivers just need to try harder.

Run them ALL off the road Wrote:
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> Cyclist in Hospital Wrote:
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> > Wanna see something scary simply google the
> title
> > of this thread "Cyclist in Hospital With Life
> > Threatening Injuries After Crash"
> >
> > This happens with regularity all around the
> > country. Careful out there folks...
>
> Obviously it doesn't happen nearly enough because
> bikers still haven't gotten the message.
>
> I guess us drivers just need to try harder.
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Between this thread and the cars never stop in crosswalk thread its obvious most drivers have not the slightest clue of the law and rules of the road. No wonder we are the most dangerous highest insurance risk area in the country - blithe ignorance.

Rule #!, Get a fucking bike rack if you are a cyclist and drive to a safe biking area such as w&od or the bike paths along mt vernon pkwy or the Prince william forest bike loop and other places like that. Subdivisions with 25 mph speed limit with sidewalks and reasonably wide roads are also acceptable.

Rule #2, If you do bike along Route 7 or braddock road or (god forbid) Utterback store and similar roads understand that you may well die or end up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life and it will be nobody's fault but your own.

Rule #3, Remember that if you bike on the main roads that were built for cars and trucks and paid for by fuel taxes that people will HATE you. People may spit on you as they ride by and some may drop screws and nails at the edge of the road but you need to accept their behavior because you the cyclist are the one who is behaving in an anti-social manner.

So wait a minute.

Bicyclists enjoy their activities, rarely kill or seriously injure other road users, don't pollute significantly, don't directly consume as much imported oil, are taking personal responsibility for their health, are not overweight in the same proportion as the rest of the population, and have as much right to the road as everyone else.

Didn't they go to high school and learn about conformity?

This is Fairfax County, where the robust majority drives motor vehicles unsafely, hates going places because of the traffic, loves cheap imported Saudi oil, rarely get enough exercise, is increasingly overweight or obese, and doesn't know much about traffic law except to stop speeding if they see a policeman.

Sounds like a failure in our education system.

Speaking of failures, Tax man said here, very eloquently, that roads were paid for by car drivers, so everyone else should just stay home. Why then did a bipartisan effort in Richmond just increase the property transfer tax and sales tax, particularly in Northern Virginia, so that everyone pays for the new increased transportation costs? You mean general revenue taxes from bicyclists, pedestrians, and metro riders also pay for roads and stuff? Oh. Well.


Hey tax man! If you want a thorough historical debunking of the myth that fuel taxes cover transportation costs, you might want to read a detailed Brookings Institute review on funding of roads and highways. Looks like about 30% +/- of road funding in the last few decades across America has come from general funds. Considering how minimal the wear and tear caused by a pedestrian or bicycle is compared to a car, it is those non-drivers who subsidize truck and car use of the roads. http://cdn.publicinterestnetwork.org/assets/28b773b9f18cdb23da3e48a8d7884854/Do-Roads-Pay-for-Themselves_-wUS.pdf

crosswalkies Wrote:
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> Between this thread and the cars never stop in
> crosswalk thread its obvious most drivers have not
> the slightest clue of the law and rules of the
> road. No wonder we are the most dangerous highest
> insurance risk area in the country - blithe
> ignorance.

Hard as it is to believe, this area is not the highest risk (and therefore most expensive) auto insurance market. I believe New Jersey claims that honor.

Car insurance in NOVA is actually pretty reasonable compared to some other places. I expect that to change as more and more Totally-can't-drive motherfuckers flock to this area. I wish the economy would pick up so some of these douchebags would stay the hell where they're at.

not yet Wrote:
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> Hard as it is to believe, this area is not the
> highest risk (and therefore most expensive) auto
> insurance market. I believe New Jersey claims
> that honor.

Take that NEW JERSEY!

afdasdfads Wrote:
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> not yet Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hard as it is to believe, this area is not the
> > highest risk (and therefore most expensive)
> auto
> > insurance market. I believe New Jersey claims
> > that honor.
>
> Take that NEW JERSEY!


speaking of Jersey...........................
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not yet Wrote:
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> crosswalkies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Between this thread and the cars never stop in
> > crosswalk thread its obvious most drivers have
> not
> > the slightest clue of the law and rules of the
> > road. No wonder we are the most dangerous
> highest
> > insurance risk area in the country - blithe
> > ignorance.
>
> Hard as it is to believe, this area is not the
> highest risk (and therefore most expensive) auto
> insurance market. I believe New Jersey claims
> that honor.
>
> Car insurance in NOVA is actually pretty
> reasonable compared to some other places. I
> expect that to change as more and more
> Totally-can't-drive motherfuckers flock to this
> area. I wish the economy would pick up so some of
> these douchebags would stay the hell where they're
> at.
Wrong DC Area = worst drivers. Peps in Jersey drive crazy but they know how to drive unlike the no speaks and self absorbed idiots here.

For those of us who live in and/or drive through major metropolitan areas, having to keep a watchful eye out for the antics of inattentive or even reckless drivers is a necessary part of our daily routine. You may think you’ve got it bad, but according to the eighth annual “America’s Best Drivers Report” issued by Allstate Insurance in Northbrook, IL, those living in Washington D.C. can again lay claim to having to put up with the absolute worst motorists in the nation.

Allstate studied the auto insurance claims frequency of America’s 200 largest cities and found that residents of our nation’s capitol get into collisions on average once every 4.7 years. This means they’re a whopping 112.1 percent more likely to be party to an accident than the typical driver in the U.S., who wrecks his or her car once every 10 years. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/08/28/cities-with-the-worst-drivers-2012/

Neville Wrote:
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> So wait a minute.
>
> Bicyclists enjoy their activities, rarely kill or
> seriously injure other road users, don't pollute
> significantly, don't directly consume as much
> imported oil, are taking personal responsibility
> for their health, are not overweight in the same
> proportion as the rest of the population, and have
> as much right to the road as everyone else.
>
> Didn't they go to high school and learn about
> conformity?
>
> This is Fairfax County, where the robust majority
> drives motor vehicles unsafely, hates going places
> because of the traffic, loves cheap imported Saudi
> oil, rarely get enough exercise, is increasingly
> overweight or obese, and doesn't know much about
> traffic law except to stop speeding if they see a
> policeman.
>
> Sounds like a failure in our education system.
>
> Speaking of failures, Tax man said here, very
> eloquently, that roads were paid for by car
> drivers, so everyone else should just stay home.
> Why then did a bipartisan effort in Richmond just
> increase the property transfer tax and sales tax,
> particularly in Northern Virginia, so that
> everyone pays for the new increased transportation
> costs? You mean general revenue taxes from
> bicyclists, pedestrians, and metro riders also pay
> for roads and stuff? Oh. Well.
>
>
> Hey tax man! If you want a thorough historical
> debunking of the myth that fuel taxes cover
> transportation costs, you might want to read a
> detailed Brookings Institute review on funding of
> roads and highways. Looks like about 30% +/- of
> road funding in the last few decades across
> America has come from general funds. Considering
> how minimal the wear and tear caused by a
> pedestrian or bicycle is compared to a car, it is
> those non-drivers who subsidize truck and car use
> of the roads.
> http://cdn.publicinterestnetwork.org/assets/28b773
> b9f18cdb23da3e48a8d7884854/Do-Roads-Pay-for-Themse
> lves_-wUS.pdf


Yes Yes Yes! How can you be so stupid????

Those other taxes are partly paid for by citizens who rely on the railroad and trucking industry for their livelihood. People who ride bikes on busy roads create dangerous situations that would not otherwise exist. They put an unfair burden on society and they have caused many deaths.
They cause these deaths by ignorance and stupidity.

"They cause those deaths by ignorance and stupidity?"

Your statement is simply not supportable. Bicycle riders and pedestrians have not killed many motor vehicle occupants. That is a man bites dog issue, and probably would make national news. Virginia's DOT certainly does not devote a single footnote to all the crashes and deaths of motor vehicle occupants caused by bicycle riders. Just like drivers, bicycle riders do stupid and inattentive things, but bicycle riders almost exclusively just endanger themselves.

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/safety/crash_data/crash_facts/crash_facts_12.pdf

The overwhelming problem is one where distracted or inattentive or drunk drivers, frequently speeding, hit other people.

Is it generally safe to ride a bicycle? Yes, despite the rhetoric. The health benefits vastly outweigh the risks.

As you probably know, most deaths in the U.S. are from heart disease and cancer. Exercise is one of the best ways to postpone such problems. A study of Barcelona’s bike sharing program, Bicing, found that the health benefits of using the system outweigh the risks by a ratio of 77 to one. The study also estimated that Bicing reduces carbon dioxide emissions by more than 9,000 metric tons every year.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21816732

If you aren't able to safely interact with and respect the rights of pedestrians and bicycle riders, you should definitely not drive around here. I can think of few things worse than hitting a kid with a car.

"Exercise is one of the best ways to postpone such problems"

???

No, it's genetics. Pedal faster all you want, won't "postpone" crap. Even in places like the vaunted NHS ruled UK:http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/mortality/age/uk-cancer-mortality-statistics-by-age#cancer

Sadly the brave cyclist finally succumbed to his injuries. Please join me and other local cyclists in a show of support and solidarity by riding our bikes on local roads with posted limits 45 MPH and above, during rush hour on each weekday evening. This will be a tribute procession for our fallen brother, so all red lights, stop signs, and general rules of the road will be disregarded as is our usual custom.

the warrior cyclist has passed Wrote:
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> Sadly the brave cyclist finally succumbed to his
> injuries. Please join me and other local cyclists
> in a show of support and solidarity by riding our
> bikes on local roads with posted limits 45 MPH and
> above, during rush hour on each weekday evening.
> This will be a tribute procession for our fallen
> brother, so all red lights, stop signs, and
> general rules of the road will be disregarded as
> is our usual custom.

seriously.........why the hell do they ride ON the Parkway when there is a BIKE TRAIL RIGHT THERE ON THE FUCKING SIDE OF THE ROAD!?!?!

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> the warrior cyclist has passed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sadly the brave cyclist finally succumbed to
> his
> > injuries. Please join me and other local
> cyclists
> > in a show of support and solidarity by riding
> our
> > bikes on local roads with posted limits 45 MPH
> and
> > above, during rush hour on each weekday
> evening.
> > This will be a tribute procession for our
> fallen
> > brother, so all red lights, stop signs, and
> > general rules of the road will be disregarded
> as
> > is our usual custom.
>
> seriously.........why the hell do they ride ON the
> Parkway when there is a BIKE TRAIL RIGHT THERE ON
> THE FUCKING SIDE OF THE ROAD!?!?!

This accident was on Lewinsville road dummy not the parkway.

uJGKx Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the warrior cyclist has passed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sadly the brave cyclist finally succumbed to
> > his
> > > injuries. Please join me and other local
> > cyclists
> > > in a show of support and solidarity by riding
> > our
> > > bikes on local roads with posted limits 45
> MPH
> > and
> > > above, during rush hour on each weekday
> > evening.
> > > This will be a tribute procession for our
> > fallen
> > > brother, so all red lights, stop signs, and
> > > general rules of the road will be disregarded
> > as
> > > is our usual custom.
> >
> > seriously.........why the hell do they ride ON
> the
> > Parkway when there is a BIKE TRAIL RIGHT THERE
> ON
> > THE FUCKING SIDE OF THE ROAD!?!?!
>
> This accident was on Lewinsville road dummy not
> the parkway.


yeah, I got that - was just asking about the dumbasses on the Parkway, is all

When I see someone on a bicycle on a road like Lewinsville or Beulah it makes me really angry! Fuck these idiots that put themselves and others in harms way for no fucking good reason. I roll down my passenger window and scream "Fuck You" at them sometimes. I hate them sooo much!

Lewinsville Road? That fucker deserved to be run over and then backed over a few times.

Usual Suspect Wrote:
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> Lewinsville Road? That fucker deserved to be run
> over and then backed over a few times.


Yeah really. These bicycle idiots put all of us at risk. Surely they are in violation of the law in some way when they ride on these back roads.

taxxpayer Wrote:
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> Usual Suspect Wrote:
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> -----
> > Lewinsville Road? That fucker deserved to be
> run
> > over and then backed over a few times.
>
>
> Yeah really. These bicycle idiots put all of us at
> risk. Surely they are in violation of the law in
> some way when they ride on these back roads.

Don't be a smug idiot. There is a stretch on Lewinsville that is clearly a danger to bikers to be on.

Who cares about risk?

They get out on the public roads during rush hour, smug that they're saving a bit of gas, and it never ocurrs to them how many cars have to brake, slow down, and then accelerate again.

They're not saving gas, they're just transferring the usage to us.

But when I'm stopped at a light, and they sail through it so I have to pass them a second time, then they really should be "fair game".

The bicyclist needs to hire Pikrallidas 703-267-2600

Motoring. Wrote:
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> Who cares about risk?
>
> They get out on the public roads during rush hour,
> smug that they're saving a bit of gas, and it
> never ocurrs to them how many cars have to brake,
> slow down, and then accelerate again.
>
> They're not saving gas, they're just transferring
> the usage to us.
>
> But when I'm stopped at a light, and they sail
> through it so I have to pass them a second time,
> then they really should be "fair game".


Most of them deserve to be knocked over. They put others at risk because of their retarded hobby! Selfish pricks.