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Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: ms hybrid ()
Date: July 08, 2013 11:52AM

VA has instated a $64 tax to Hybrid Owners. Please sign this petition if you see how unfair it is to punish someone who paid more for their car to save money on gas and help earth sustain it's resources.

https://www.change.org/petitions/pull-the-plug-on-the-virginia-hybrid-tax-repeal-the-64-tax-that-will-be-added-to-hybrid-owners-car-taxes

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: lolwtf ()
Date: July 08, 2013 11:54AM

Online petitions are useless.

Also, we should double the $64 to $128 and charge them more.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: fess up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:02PM

You didn't buy the car to help earth sustain its (and yes, it's its, moron) resources, you bought it because you wanted to use HOV by yourself. Consider the $64 an HOV user fee for loners.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:04PM

Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich fat cats always want to avoid paying their fair of taxes?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: The Hard Truth ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:08PM

pay up Wrote:
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> Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich fat
> cats always want to avoid paying their fair of
> taxes?

Exactly. We should probably also tax some of the big gas guzzlers too. Those who shell out big money for SUV's and trucks should also be able to pay an extra $64 tax on their vehicles too.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: shut up douche ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:12PM

pay up Wrote:
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> Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich fat
> cats always want to avoid paying their fair of
> taxes?

Fair share my ass, you evidently don't know how much the gas tax is for normal people. Most people spend $100 total on the gas tax per year in a SUV. Hybrid have to pay the $64 flat fee and the fuckin gas tax like everyone else. So shut the fuck up cunt

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:12PM

lolwtf Wrote:
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> Online petitions are useless.



+1000


At least they aren't using the White House petition site, that thing is hilarious how many people take it seriously.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:13PM

The Hard Truth Wrote:
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> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich
> fat
> > cats always want to avoid paying their fair of
> > taxes?
>
> Exactly. We should probably also tax some of the
> big gas guzzlers too. Those who shell out big
> money for SUV's and trucks should also be able to
> pay an extra $64 tax on their vehicles too.

The tax is for maintaining the roads. Because under the gas tax, hybrids caused as much damage to the roads and used them as much as a non-hybrid vehicle, they were essentially getting a free ride by not contributing their fair share via the gas tax. The user fee added this year evens the playing field. Pay your fair share and shut up.

Why are you opposed to paying for road improvements?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Cunt liars ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:17PM

pay up Wrote:
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> The Hard Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay up Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich
> > fat
> > > cats always want to avoid paying their fair
> of
> > > taxes?
> >
> > Exactly. We should probably also tax some of
> the
> > big gas guzzlers too. Those who shell out big
> > money for SUV's and trucks should also be able
> to
> > pay an extra $64 tax on their vehicles too.
>
> The tax is for maintaining the roads. Because
> under the gas tax, hybrids caused as much damage
> to the roads and used them as much as a non-hybrid
> vehicle, they were essentially getting a free ride
> by not contributing their fair share via the gas
> tax. The user fee added this year evens the
> playing field. Pay your fair share and shut up.
>
> Why are you opposed to paying for road
> improvements?

Thats not even vaguely true you fucking moron. load fatigue is dependent on weight. Hybrids weigh a shit ton less than trucks and SUVs, and yet they are paying the same for this "maintenance" as those vehicles. Trucks and SUVs cause nearly 100 times more fatigue load damage to pavements as a hybrid sedan.

You cunt

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Slick Willy ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:18PM

Pay the $64. It is for the children.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: know your math ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:19PM

shut up douche Wrote:
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> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pay your fair share and shut up. Why do rich
> fat
> > cats always want to avoid paying their fair of
> > taxes?
>
> Fair share my ass, you evidently don't know how
> much the gas tax is for normal people. Most people
> spend $100 total on the gas tax per year in a SUV.
> Hybrid have to pay the $64 flat fee and the fuckin
> gas tax like everyone else. So shut the fuck up
> cunt


Hmm. How many miles per gallon is the hybrid getting? Yeah, do yourself a favor and sit down and pout like the lil bitch you are.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: definitions ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:20PM

I will sign it once it is amended to include two provisions:

1) Sunset all remaining HOV benefits in the state that now go to vehicles that are common and mainstreamed.

2) Exempt all vehicles, hybrid or not, that are rated at above 35mpg highway from the tax.

The "I paid more for their car" argument is not universal and therefore shouldn't be used as a justification for your petition... plenty of people buy hybrids for performance, not for environmental or economic reasons. And there are many hybrids that cost more than some conventional fuel vehicles that get better mpg. For examples, there are only 3 2013 Lexus hybrid vehicles that get over 30mpg highway. A less expensive Honda Civic gets 39mpg highway and will use much less fuel... the consumer made the choice what to buy.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:25PM

Cunt liars Wrote:
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> Trucks and SUVs cause nearly 100
> times more fatigue load damage to pavements as a
> hybrid sedan.

Prove it or shut up, bitch.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:26PM

The only tax demokrats demand be repealed are the unfair ones... you know, the ones that they have to pay.

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twitter @EyeAmU

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: The Hard Truth ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:27PM

pay up Wrote:
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> Cunt liars Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trucks and SUVs cause nearly 100
> > times more fatigue load damage to pavements as
> a
> > hybrid sedan.
>
> Prove it or shut up, bitch.

Can you prove that hybrids cause as much damage to roads as regular cars?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: funk you hybrid drivers ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:37PM

If you are actually saving so much money then take some of it and pay for the tax.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: try again ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:38PM

The Hard Truth Wrote:
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> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cunt liars Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Trucks and SUVs cause nearly 100
> > > times more fatigue load damage to pavements
> as
> > a
> > > hybrid sedan.
> >
> > Prove it or shut up, bitch.
>
> Can you prove that hybrids cause as much damage to
> roads as regular cars?

Sorry, that isn't proof of the assertion. Try again.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:46PM

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Pay your fair share and shut up.

right. are you taxing turbodiesel drivers also? the jettas get what, 45mpg? that's more than most hybrids.

anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that this law is just red meat to throw in front of the conservative troglodytes. funny that mcdonnell shot himself in the foot by raising sales taxes and thus losing their support anyway. good thing all that extra transportation money is repaving 286 down by fair lakes where they JUST PAVED IT a couple months ago.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: The Hard Truth ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:53PM

try again Wrote:
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> Sorry, that isn't proof of the assertion. Try
> again.

Okay, well first of all, I didn't make that "assertion". It's obviously not true. Secondly, you made your "assertion" first. Regardless, it can surmised by any logical person that due a vehicles increased weight, it would cause increased fatigue on the road. Your argument was that a vehicles must pay for it's share of damage caused by using roadways. So by your own logic, SUV's, pick-ups, and tractor-trailers would all have to pay their "fair" share, i.e. increased taxation. Now personally I don't think that we need more taxes, but hey, you're entitled to your own opinions.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: facts, go buy some ()
Date: July 08, 2013 12:54PM

Curmudgeon Wrote:
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>
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Pay your fair share and shut up.
>
> right. are you taxing turbodiesel drivers also?
> the jettas get what, 45mpg? that's more than most
> hybrids.
>
> anyone with two brain cells to rub together can
> see that this law is just red meat to throw in
> front of the conservative troglodytes.

You may need those two remaining brain cells. NJ, MA, WA all have/had similar laws before them. They did it to throw red meat to conservatives. Try harder, you are failing.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Leaf Owner ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:12PM

Just $64? I thought it was going to be $100--and just for electrics. I'm not sure I'm even going to get hit with the $64 because I think the dealer reflexively checked "Gasoline" (or whatever it said) on the title and plate registration instead of "Electric". I didn't buy the thing to get out of gas taxes anyway--I'm netting about $210/month from NOT having to buy gas after the small increase ($25/mo) in my electric bill from the car charging and then basically another $90/mo for the next 8 yrs thanks to Uncle Sam's electric car subsidy.

That sucks for hybrids, though. They are basically getting taxed extra for great gas mileage but they are still buying gas...

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Derrrr Whats physics ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:13PM

The guy is a fucking moron. Any pavement design manual will describe the fatigue on pavement by a load is exponentially related to the weight of that load, to the fourth power.

Fuckin learn something you douche

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/tswstudy/Vol3-Chapter5.pdf

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Derrr whats physics logic 09 ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:16PM

http://tic.engr.wisc.edu/Marketing/Data.lasso?myMarketingID=bulletins/Bltn_002_Vehicle_Load.pdf

Read you fucking douche and shut the fuck up and pay

YOUR FUCKING FAIR SHARE


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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Lemming Lib ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:27PM

Libs always support new and additional taxes, since they never intend to pay themselves. Hope this one sticks. Better yet if the douchebag libs' tax was $2000/yr. At least then they'd have to pay something.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: dick says what? ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:29PM

Lemming Lib Wrote:
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> Libs always support new and additional taxes,
> since they never intend to pay themselves. Hope
> this one sticks. Better yet if the douchebag
> libs' tax was $2000/yr. At least then they'd have
> to pay something.

Dick says what?


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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Leaf Owner ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:47PM

Lemming Lib Wrote:
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> Libs always support new and additional taxes,
> since they never intend to pay themselves. Hope
> this one sticks. Better yet if the douchebag
> libs' tax was $2000/yr. At least then they'd have
> to pay something.


$2000/yr is fair if you would have purchased $57,000 worth of gas that year. The new VA gas tax rate is 3.5%.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: July 08, 2013 01:56PM

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NJ, MA, WA all have/had similar laws before them.

that's great. you pass first grade. now to get past 2nd grade you'll have to figure out 1) how those states handle turbodiesels, PLEV's and etc and 2) why you're a dumbass.

hint: both questions have the same answer

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:04PM

Derrrr Whats physics Wrote:
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> The guy is a fucking moron. Any pavement design
> manual will describe the fatigue on pavement by a
> load is exponentially related to the weight of
> that load, to the fourth power.
>
> Fuckin learn something you douche
>
> https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/tswstudy/Vol3-Cha
> pter5.pdf


Commercial trucks pay their fair share via a diesel tax. Now let's get back to reality and the topic at hand.

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Prius-2013/specs/

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-CR_V-2013/specs/

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-Accord-2013/specs/

So, yeah, pay your effing fair share, lil bitch.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: facts, go buy some ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:06PM

Curmudgeon Wrote:
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>
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NJ, MA, WA all have/had similar laws before
> them.
>
> that's great. you pass first grade. now to get
> past 2nd grade you'll have to figure out 1) how
> those states handle turbodiesels, PLEV's and etc
> and 2) why you're a dumbass.
>
> hint: both questions have the same answer


Did I upset your delicate sensibilities?

Take a look at how they handle those other vehicles. The only dumbass here is the one that made the dumbass assumption about this being red meat for conservatives. When you can get out of preschool, let us know, mmmkay?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: means nothing ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:09PM

pay up Wrote:
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> Derrrr Whats physics Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The guy is a fucking moron. Any pavement design
> > manual will describe the fatigue on pavement by
> a
> > load is exponentially related to the weight of
> > that load, to the fourth power.
> >
> > Fuckin learn something you douche
> >
> >
> https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/tswstudy/Vol3-Cha
>
> > pter5.pdf
>
>
> Commercial trucks pay their fair share via a
> diesel tax. Now let's get back to reality and the
> topic at hand.
>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Prius-2013/specs/
>
>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-CR_V-2013/specs/
>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-Accord-2013/specs/
>
>
> So, yeah, pay your effing fair share, lil bitch.


Commercial vehicles do, SUVs and F350s dont douche. SO YEA PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE DOUCHE

F350 weighs about 3 times what a prius does, therefore it causes 100times more fatigue damage.

You asked for the math and science, I gave you, you still are a douche

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: fuck yous ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:10PM

facts, go buy some Wrote:
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> Curmudgeon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
Quote

NJ, MA, WA all have/had similar laws
> before
> > them.
> >
> > that's great. you pass first grade. now to
> get
> > past 2nd grade you'll have to figure out 1) how
> > those states handle turbodiesels, PLEV's and
> etc
> > and 2) why you're a dumbass.
> >
> > hint: both questions have the same answer
>
>
> Did I upset your delicate sensibilities?
>
> Take a look at how they handle those other
> vehicles. The only dumbass here is the one that
> made the dumbass assumption about this being red
> meat for conservatives. When you can get out of
> preschool, let us know, mmmkay?

80% of the hybrids in VA exist in NOVA, so yea it was red meat for downstate douchebags that already rob all of NOVAs money

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: facts, go buy some ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:13PM

fuck yous Wrote:
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> facts, go buy some Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curmudgeon Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
Quote

NJ, MA, WA all have/had similar laws
> > before
> > > them.
> > >
> > > that's great. you pass first grade. now to
> > get
> > > past 2nd grade you'll have to figure out 1)
> how
> > > those states handle turbodiesels, PLEV's and
> > etc
> > > and 2) why you're a dumbass.
> > >
> > > hint: both questions have the same answer
> >
> >
> > Did I upset your delicate sensibilities?
> >
> > Take a look at how they handle those other
> > vehicles. The only dumbass here is the one that
> > made the dumbass assumption about this being
> red
> > meat for conservatives. When you can get out
> of
> > preschool, let us know, mmmkay?
>
> 80% of the hybrids in VA exist in NOVA, so yea it
> was red meat for downstate douchebags that already
> rob all of NOVAs money


Well, I just can't seem to fix your stupidity. Good luck with that. I suppose all those conservatives in the state legislatures of MA, WA and NJ were thinking the same thing.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:21PM

means nothing Wrote:
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> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Derrrr Whats physics Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The guy is a fucking moron. Any pavement
> design
> > > manual will describe the fatigue on pavement
> by
> > a
> > > load is exponentially related to the weight
> of
> > > that load, to the fourth power.
> > >
> > > Fuckin learn something you douche
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/tswstudy/Vol3-Cha
>
> >
> > > pter5.pdf
> >
> >
> > Commercial trucks pay their fair share via a
> > diesel tax. Now let's get back to reality and
> the
> > topic at hand.
> >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Prius-2013/specs/
>
> >
> >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-CR_V-2013/specs/
> >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-Accord-2013/specs/
>
> >
> >
> > So, yeah, pay your effing fair share, lil
> bitch.
>
>
> Commercial vehicles do, SUVs and F350s dont
> douche. SO YEA PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE DOUCHE

Maybe if you say douche one more time, your point might be salient. That being said, not many SUVs run on diesel. Personal vehicles running on diesel pay twice the tax as gasoline drivers and fill up more often. See the difference, moron?

> F350 weighs about 3 times what a prius does,
> therefore it causes 100times more fatigue damage.

Curb weight is not 3 times the weight and how many times do you see wannabes in their F350s around here fully weighted?

You must think the battery in your fagmobile is as light as air.

> You asked for the math and science, I gave you,
> you still are a douche

I refuted your math with facts and yet you still whine like a lil bitch.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Clown Shoe Blue ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:22PM

What a crock of shit republicans and big oil are pulling. Taxing people for being efficient with alternative energy cars.

How about we add a $100 extra tax on Minivan. pickup and SUV's since they wear out roads quicker with heavier vehicles.

What ever happened to "I'll LOWER your tax." I guess republicans forgot why we elected them. Same old bullshit GOP.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pic of the OP ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:24PM

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: DOUCHE MATH ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:37PM

up Wrote:
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> means nothing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay up Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Derrrr Whats physics Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The guy is a fucking moron. Any pavement
> > design
> > > > manual will describe the fatigue on
> pavement
> > by
> > > a
> > > > load is exponentially related to the weight
> > of
> > > > that load, to the fourth power.
> > > >
> > > > Fuckin learn something you douche
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/tswstudy/Vol3-Cha
>
> >
> > >
> > > > pter5.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > Commercial trucks pay their fair share via a
> > > diesel tax. Now let's get back to reality
> and
> > the
> > > topic at hand.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Prius-2013/specs/
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-CR_V-2013/specs/
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Honda-Accord-2013/specs/
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, yeah, pay your effing fair share, lil
> > bitch.
> >
> >
> > Commercial vehicles do, SUVs and F350s dont
> > douche. SO YEA PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE DOUCHE
>
> Maybe if you say douche one more time, your point
> might be salient. That being said, not many SUVs
> run on diesel. Personal vehicles running on
> diesel pay twice the tax as gasoline drivers and
> fill up more often. See the difference, moron?
>
> > F350 weighs about 3 times what a prius does,
> > therefore it causes 100times more fatigue
> damage.
>
> Curb weight is not 3 times the weight and how many
> times do you see wannabes in their F350s around
> here fully weighted?
>
> You must think the battery in your fagmobile is as
> light as air.
>
> > You asked for the math and science, I gave you,
> > you still are a douche
>
> I refuted your math with facts and yet you still
> whine like a lil bitch.


HAHAHA so in your mind the average prius weighs the same as a F-series truck. So then they all should pay the same in maintenance

Hey fuck face, that being the case, even if the truck was unloaded, its STILL FUCKING CAUSES 40-80times MORE DAMAGE TO THE FUCKIN ROAD YOU FUCKING COCK SUCKING DOUCHE

Suck my dick

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 02:45PM

DOUCHE MATH Wrote:
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>
> HAHAHA so in your mind the average prius weighs
> the same as a F-series truck. So then they all
> should pay the same in maintenance

I see English is about as difficult for you as math. Where did I indicate that? Please point to the specific sentence where that contention was made.

> Suck my dick

Nah. I'll leave that to your boyfriend.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: So you are a hypocrite ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:01PM

pay up Wrote:
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> DOUCHE MATH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > HAHAHA so in your mind the average prius weighs
> > the same as a F-series truck. So then they all
> > should pay the same in maintenance
>
> I see English is about as difficult for you as
> math. Where did I indicate that? Please point to
> the specific sentence where that contention was
> made.
>
> > Suck my dick
>
> Nah. I'll leave that to your boyfriend.


Great so you admit you are wrong and a hypocrite. So stop your bitching about income taxes and all the faggot trolling you do faggot

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:06PM

So you are a hypocrite Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Great so you admit you are wrong and a hypocrite.

There you go again demonstrating your trouble with the English language. Where did I admit that? Be specific.

Is this your standard canned response when you get trapped in a corner? We can add logical reasoning skills to your deficient math and English skills.

> So stop your bitching about income taxes and all
> the faggot trolling you do faggot

Umm, this thread isn't about income taxes. It is about a hybrid fee. Don't tell me you lack basic reading comprehension skills as well. Are you one of those ditch diggers that I hear the world needs? You don't seem to have the intellectual skills for much more.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: If you don't like it then move ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:14PM

Fuck'em.

Lets increase the tax to $3000 to encourage all those hybrid-driving pussies to move to Maryland or DC.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: suck it troll logic 09 ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:18PM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So you are a hypocrite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Great so you admit you are wrong and a
> hypocrite.
>
> There you go again demonstrating your trouble with
> the English language. Where did I admit that? Be
> specific.
>
> Is this your standard canned response when you get
> trapped in a corner? We can add logical reasoning
> skills to your deficient math and English skills.
>
> > So stop your bitching about income taxes and
> all
> > the faggot trolling you do faggot
>
> Umm, this thread isn't about income taxes. It is
> about a hybrid fee. Don't tell me you lack basic
> reading comprehension skills as well. Are you one
> of those ditch diggers that I hear the world
> needs? You don't seem to have the intellectual
> skills for much more.

Explain why a heavy ass truck that causes multiple times more damage to roads should pay the same as a hybrid fuck face

Till then, you are the little weasle not backing up your statements with any facts FUCKING ANUS

You said prove it about 15 posts ago, I did, then you went on about other horse shit that doesnt say a damn thing about the fact that hybrids and trucks shouldnt pay the same amount towards road maintenance

so suck it

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:23PM

suck it troll logic 09 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So you are a hypocrite Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Great so you admit you are wrong and a
> > hypocrite.
> >
> > There you go again demonstrating your trouble
> with
> > the English language. Where did I admit that?
> Be
> > specific.
> >
> > Is this your standard canned response when you
> get
> > trapped in a corner? We can add logical
> reasoning
> > skills to your deficient math and English
> skills.
> >
> > > So stop your bitching about income taxes and
> > all
> > > the faggot trolling you do faggot
> >
> > Umm, this thread isn't about income taxes. It
> is
> > about a hybrid fee. Don't tell me you lack
> basic
> > reading comprehension skills as well. Are you
> one
> > of those ditch diggers that I hear the world
> > needs? You don't seem to have the intellectual
> > skills for much more.
>
> Explain why a heavy ass truck that causes multiple
> times more damage to roads should pay the same as
> a hybrid fuck face
>
> Till then, you are the little weasle not backing
> up your statements with any facts FUCKING ANUS
>
> You said prove it about 15 posts ago, I did, then
> you went on about other horse shit that doesnt say
> a damn thing about the fact that hybrids and
> trucks shouldnt pay the same amount towards road
> maintenance
>
> so suck it


Ahh, so this is you ducking the issue. Trucks have horrible fuel efficiency and pay significantly more than hybrids in gas taxes (even with the $67 factored in). Tell me where I said hybrids and trucks weigh the same. This should be good.

And what's with your suck it comments? Is your boyfriend withholding oral pleasure from you and you need to troll for cock on this forum? You may have better luck on other forums that cater to folks like you.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: MATH IDIOT ()
Date: July 08, 2013 04:11PM

up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> suck it troll logic 09 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay up Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So you are a hypocrite Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Great so you admit you are wrong and a
> > > hypocrite.
> > >
> > > There you go again demonstrating your trouble
> > with
> > > the English language. Where did I admit that?
>
> > Be
> > > specific.
> > >
> > > Is this your standard canned response when
> you
> > get
> > > trapped in a corner? We can add logical
> > reasoning
> > > skills to your deficient math and English
> > skills.
> > >
> > > > So stop your bitching about income taxes
> and
> > > all
> > > > the faggot trolling you do faggot
> > >
> > > Umm, this thread isn't about income taxes.
> It
> > is
> > > about a hybrid fee. Don't tell me you lack
> > basic
> > > reading comprehension skills as well. Are
> you
> > one
> > > of those ditch diggers that I hear the world
> > > needs? You don't seem to have the
> intellectual
> > > skills for much more.
> >
> > Explain why a heavy ass truck that causes
> multiple
> > times more damage to roads should pay the same
> as
> > a hybrid fuck face
> >
> > Till then, you are the little weasle not
> backing
> > up your statements with any facts FUCKING ANUS
> >
> > You said prove it about 15 posts ago, I did,
> then
> > you went on about other horse shit that doesnt
> say
> > a damn thing about the fact that hybrids and
> > trucks shouldnt pay the same amount towards
> road
> > maintenance
> >
> > so suck it
>
>
> Ahh, so this is you ducking the issue. Trucks
> have horrible fuel efficiency and pay
> significantly more than hybrids in gas taxes (even
> with the $67 factored in). Tell me where I said
> hybrids and trucks weigh the same. This should be
> good.
>
> And what's with your suck it comments? Is your
> boyfriend withholding oral pleasure from you and
> you need to troll for cock on this forum? You may
> have better luck on other forums that cater to
> folks like you.


No they really fuckin dont you douche

Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average lets say $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per gallon pumped. The average virginian drives 25 miles per day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call it 10000 to be conservative. The average truck gets 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons of fuel per year. That truck driver therefore pays $130 per year in the new gas tax.

A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles, but gets 40 mpg on average (across the full range of hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means they pay $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in gas tax payment.

Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid, therefore it causes lets say a conservative 50 times more maintenance needs on the road (that is very conservative). In order for the fee to be correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a truck should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue load damage.

96.50/130 does not equal 1/50

Dumb shit

In fact hybrid cars would have to receive a tax break in order to get that value to 1/50 because even 32.50/130 doesnt equal 1/50

Get it you little troll bitch whore fucking anus chode?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 04:24PM

MATH IDIOT Wrote:
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> No they really fuckin dont you douche
>
> Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average lets say
> $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per gallon
> pumped. The average virginian drives 25 miles per
> day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call it
> 10000 to be conservative. The average truck gets
> 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons of fuel
> per year. That truck driver therefore pays $130
> per year in the new gas tax.
>
> A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles, but
> gets 40 mpg on average (across the full range of
> hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means they pay
> $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in gas tax
> payment.
>
> Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid,
> therefore it causes lets say a conservative 50
> times more maintenance needs on the road (that is
> very conservative). In order for the fee to be
> correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a truck
> should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue load
> damage.

Your fatigue load damage numbers are based upon tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies addresses POVs. Until you can come up with RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a lil bitch whining about having to pay $67/year for your fagmobile.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Amigos ()
Date: July 08, 2013 04:35PM

Hey amigos, do not fight amongst yourselves! Please to be happy to pay more dollars to Senior Gerry so that when I and my family become legal we can get even more to enjoy the American way of life to which we have become used to. This will make all of us very happy!

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Oh god ()
Date: July 08, 2013 04:38PM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> >
> > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average lets
> say
> > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per
> gallon
> > pumped. The average virginian drives 25 miles
> per
> > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call it
> > 10000 to be conservative. The average truck
> gets
> > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons of
> fuel
> > per year. That truck driver therefore pays $130
> > per year in the new gas tax.
> >
> > A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles, but
> > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full range
> of
> > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means they
> pay
> > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in gas
> tax
> > payment.
> >
> > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid,
> > therefore it causes lets say a conservative 50
> > times more maintenance needs on the road (that
> is
> > very conservative). In order for the fee to be
> > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a truck
> > should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue
> load
> > damage.
>
> Your fatigue load damage numbers are based upon
> tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies
> addresses POVs. Until you can come up with
> RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a lil
> bitch whining about having to pay $67/year for
> your fagmobile.


Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck and comparing a 40% increase over another big truck or comparing a small car to a SUV. The equation remains the same

1-s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg

The life cycle of the asphalt (number of times a load can be applied) plummets when you go from a 2 ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when you go from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle, yes it continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean the same relationship doesnt exist between the 2 ton and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in the case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast split among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel) where as a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The only difference is an 18 wheeler would be like 4.5 SUVs driving in unison everywhere.

You are a complete imbecile.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: PO'd on 66 ()
Date: July 08, 2013 04:51PM

Clown Shoe Blue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How about we add a $100 extra tax on Minivan.
> pickup and SUV's since they wear out roads quicker
> with heavier vehicles.

How about an extra $100 tax on unmarked vans with
ladder racks? They're usually full of spics who
don't pay any taxes anyhow.

And when are they going to actually ban commercial
vehicles from the 66 HOV lanes. God damn landscaping
trucks pulling trailers. Any vehicle with any work
equipment or any type of business advertising is a
commercial vehicle.

I'm one of those who bought a Lexus hybrid just to
ride the HOVs. Now get the fuck out of my way, losers!
Why the hell should I pay an extra tax when I paid a
premium for my vehicle (helping the economy) plus my
better mileage helps reduce our dependence on foreign
oil and I pollute less as well?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 08, 2013 05:09PM

Oh god Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > >
> > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average
> lets
> > say
> > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per
> > gallon
> > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25 miles
> > per
> > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call
> it
> > > 10000 to be conservative. The average truck
> > gets
> > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons of
> > fuel
> > > per year. That truck driver therefore pays
> $130
> > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > >
> > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles,
> but
> > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full range
> > of
> > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means they
> > pay
> > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in
> gas
> > tax
> > > payment.
> > >
> > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid,
> > > therefore it causes lets say a conservative
> 50
> > > times more maintenance needs on the road
> (that
> > is
> > > very conservative). In order for the fee to
> be
> > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a truck
> > > should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue
> > load
> > > damage.
> >
> > Your fatigue load damage numbers are based upon
> > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies
> > addresses POVs. Until you can come up with
> > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a lil
> > bitch whining about having to pay $67/year for
> > your fagmobile.
>
>
> Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck and
> comparing a 40% increase over another big truck or
> comparing a small car to a SUV. The equation
> remains the same
>
> src="http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1
> -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
>
> The life cycle of the asphalt (number of times a
> load can be applied) plummets when you go from a 2
> ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when you go
> from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle, yes it
> continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean the
> same relationship doesnt exist between the 2 ton
> and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in the
> case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast split
> among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel) where as
> a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The only
> difference is an 18 wheeler would be like 4.5 SUVs
> driving in unison everywhere.
>
> You are a complete imbecile.

You were saying?

When I asked the mayor’s press office for data to support the claim, I was directed to a study for the Oregon Department of Transportation, which found that “road damage increases much more than proportionately with vehicle weight on a roadway surface.” So I emailed Anthony Rufolo, a Portland State University professor who co-authored the study to ask if that conclusion applied to SUVs and minivans. His response: No.

The study, he told me “has no relevance to passenger vehicles. Passenger vehicles (or light vehicles) have not been found to damage roads. The federal government and various states analyze the appropriate cost allocation between light and heavy vehicles due to road damage. None of the studies attribute much increase in road damage to more use by light vehicles.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-chicagos-vehicle-sticker-increase-20111019,0,4086033.story

Ouch, that has to hurt for you...

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: YThJt ()
Date: July 08, 2013 05:18PM

Oh god Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pay up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > >
> > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average
> lets
> > say
> > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per
> > gallon
> > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25 miles
> > per
> > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call
> it
> > > 10000 to be conservative. The average truck
> > gets
> > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons of
> > fuel
> > > per year. That truck driver therefore pays
> $130
> > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > >
> > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles,
> but
> > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full range
> > of
> > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means they
> > pay
> > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in
> gas
> > tax
> > > payment.
> > >
> > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid,
> > > therefore it causes lets say a conservative
> 50
> > > times more maintenance needs on the road
> (that
> > is
> > > very conservative). In order for the fee to
> be
> > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a truck
> > > should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue
> > load
> > > damage.
> >
> > Your fatigue load damage numbers are based upon
> > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies
> > addresses POVs. Until you can come up with
> > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a lil
> > bitch whining about having to pay $67/year for
> > your fagmobile.
>
>
> Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck and
> comparing a 40% increase over another big truck or
> comparing a small car to a SUV. The equation
> remains the same
>
> src="http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1
> -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
>
> The life cycle of the asphalt (number of times a
> load can be applied) plummets when you go from a 2
> ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when you go
> from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle, yes it
> continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean the
> same relationship doesnt exist between the 2 ton
> and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in the
> case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast split
> among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel) where as
> a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The only
> difference is an 18 wheeler would be like 4.5 SUVs
> driving in unison everywhere.
>
> You are a complete imbecile.


You're high.

Your own chart shows that the relationship is highly nonlinear and you seem to understand that as it favors one aspect of your argument. Then you switch back to trying to make it appear that a relatively very light truck is even in the same range as heavy vehicles.

80KN is about 18,000 lbs./axle (times N axles for purposes of such calculations, not divided by the number of wheels). A standard 1/2 ton pickup or SUV wouldn't show up as much of even a blip on your chart. And once you get below a certain weight, whatever that may be, then it begins to approach insignificant values and other factors like overall traffic levels, weathering and heat/freeze cycles, etc., begin to outweigh (no pun intended) any effect of individual load.

Practically speaking, I seriously doubt that there is any significant difference between load-related wear between a typical light car and light truck. If you want to claim that there is, then find something to support that more directly, not by very stretched extrapolation.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: YThJt ()
Date: July 08, 2013 05:20PM

^ And, there ya go, as the post above confirms.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Exponential relationship ()
Date: July 08, 2013 06:23PM

YThJt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh god Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay up Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > > >
> > > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average
> > lets
> > > say
> > > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents per
> > > gallon
> > > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25
> miles
> > > per
> > > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets call
> > it
> > > > 10000 to be conservative. The average truck
> > > gets
> > > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons
> of
> > > fuel
> > > > per year. That truck driver therefore pays
> > $130
> > > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > > >
> > > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000 miles,
> > but
> > > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full
> range
> > > of
> > > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means
> they
> > > pay
> > > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50 in
> > gas
> > > tax
> > > > payment.
> > > >
> > > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than hybrid,
> > > > therefore it causes lets say a conservative
> > 50
> > > > times more maintenance needs on the road
> > (that
> > > is
> > > > very conservative). In order for the fee to
> > be
> > > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a
> truck
> > > > should be equal to the ratio of the fatigue
> > > load
> > > > damage.
> > >
> > > Your fatigue load damage numbers are based
> upon
> > > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies
> > > addresses POVs. Until you can come up with
> > > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a
> lil
> > > bitch whining about having to pay $67/year
> for
> > > your fagmobile.
> >
> >
> > Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck and
> > comparing a 40% increase over another big truck
> or
> > comparing a small car to a SUV. The equation
> > remains the same
> >
> > >
> src="http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1
>
> > -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
> >
> > The life cycle of the asphalt (number of times
> a
> > load can be applied) plummets when you go from a
> 2
> > ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when you go
> > from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle, yes
> it
> > continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean the
> > same relationship doesnt exist between the 2
> ton
> > and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in the
> > case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast split
> > among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel) where
> as
> > a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The only
> > difference is an 18 wheeler would be like 4.5
> SUVs
> > driving in unison everywhere.
> >
> > You are a complete imbecile.
>
>
> You're high.
>
> Your own chart shows that the relationship is
> highly nonlinear and you seem to understand that
> as it favors one aspect of your argument. Then
> you switch back to trying to make it appear that a
> relatively very light truck is even in the same
> range as heavy vehicles.
>
> 80KN is about 18,000 lbs./axle (times N axles for
> purposes of such calculations, not divided by the
> number of wheels). A standard 1/2 ton pickup or
> SUV wouldn't show up as much of even a blip on
> your chart. And once you get below a certain
> weight, whatever that may be, then it begins to
> approach insignificant values and other factors
> like overall traffic levels, weathering and
> heat/freeze cycles, etc., begin to outweigh (no
> pun intended) any effect of individual load.
>
> Practically speaking, I seriously doubt that there
> is any significant difference between load-related
> wear between a typical light car and light truck.
> If you want to claim that there is, then find
> something to support that more directly, not by
> very stretched extrapolation.


The fact that it has an exponential relationship only makes it that much more dependent on weight you douche. Yes it tapers off, when you are dealing with freight trucks that are worth the same as 8000 car trips, but that doesnt mean that the "light truck" that weighs double that of the sedan doesnt still have exponentially more wear on the asphalt as the sedan.

Weather conditions from frost heave are important, but when you are talking about major roadways, its never the cause of the fatigue, its always load counts.

The reason the difference between light trucks and sedans look insignificant is because that is a logarithmic scale where the high end is thousands of times. But in reality when a truck has 50 times more fatigue caused on a road surface than another car, then that is still a significant amount more (even though its not nearly as much as a commercial freight truck, which pays weight fees by the way).

So go ahead and still suck it

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Gas & Diesel Drivers ()
Date: July 08, 2013 06:38PM

LOL @ entitled hybrid owners. You already get BS grandfathered HOV exemptions which fuck up 66 worse than it needs to be. How dare you pay a bit to make up for the gas tax you pay less of than everyone else (while you screw up the road just as much as everyone else).

WHINE MOAR

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Another idiot ()
Date: July 08, 2013 06:44PM

Gas & Diesel Drivers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> LOL @ entitled hybrid owners. You already get BS
> grandfathered HOV exemptions which fuck up 66
> worse than it needs to be. How dare you pay a bit
> to make up for the gas tax you pay less of than
> everyone else (while you screw up the road just as
> much as everyone else).
>
> WHINE MOAR


Learn to read. Your 3rd grade spelling explains so much of your political views. You are clearly a moaron

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: July 08, 2013 07:51PM

Quote

You already get BS grandfathered HOV exemptions

no you don't.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: 4KPJp ()
Date: July 08, 2013 08:38PM

Exponential relationship Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> YThJt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> The fact that it has an exponential relationship
> only makes it that much more dependent on weight
> you douche. Yes it tapers off, when you are
> dealing with freight trucks that are worth the
> same as 8000 car trips, but that doesnt mean that
> the "light truck" that weighs double that of the
> sedan doesnt still have exponentially more wear on
> the asphalt as the sedan.


As I said, you're trying to play both sides of your argument to your advantage. You want to recognize the function at the high end but then not the same order of magnitude change at the low end.

No, it doesn't "taper off" it falls off a 1,000 ft cliff. lol And, yes it does make it even more dependent on weight in that there's an inverse relationship in terms of rapidly decreasing significance at the low end as there is a rapidly increasing effect at the high end. That is, the function works backwards toward the lower end and more and more against your argument. The less the weight, the less it matters, and the less any difference in value matters.


> The reason the difference between light trucks and
> sedans look insignificant is because that is a
> logarithmic scale where the high end is thousands
> of times.

Well, duh. I believe that was what I said. And, as above, it looks insignificant because, in relative terms, it is insignificant.


> But in reality when a truck has 50 times
> more fatigue caused on a road surface than another
> car, then that is still a significant amount more
> (even though its not nearly as much as a
> commercial freight truck, which pays weight fees
> by the way).

Although you appear to have just pulled the 50 times thing out of your ass and it has no basis other than that, even granting it, 50 X nuthin' still is nuthin'.

That is, there is some lower threshold where the difference in weight becomes insignificant. While I don't know what that weight is,looking at your own chart, it would appear to reach that relatively quickly as weight/force decreases given the steep curve and under that curve there are a very large range of values at the low end where no significant difference exists.

Using an extreme example for purposes of illustration, you can run a run a bike over a road forever and have virtually no effect. You can multiply the weight of that bike many times and still have no effect, regardless that the increase in the difference may be 500%.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: The Other Guys ()
Date: July 08, 2013 10:05PM

I say we triple taxes for those wimps driving tampons-on-wheels.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Right wing hybrid driver ()
Date: July 08, 2013 10:54PM

Nobody here knows me, but trust me, I am no tree hugging, dope smoking hippy.

Not only do I vote GOP, I give money to GOP candidates (though I am more a Ron Paul fan than mainstream, but I also gave Romney some bacon).

I drive a 2012 Camry hybrid. So no Hv love for me (except Route 1 in Old Town, but that is useless).

I have a lead foot and sometimes get 45 mpg in town, but I usually average 37 all up on a tank of gas.

I got the hybrid because I was afraid gas would hit $6/ gallon under the idiot in the Whitehouse.

So to sum it up:
Not all hybrid drivers are left wing faggots
Not all hybrids get 395/66 rights
Not all hybrids get over 50mpg let alone even 40 on average

This tax is bullshit. McDonnelis a douche whose career is over with this kitchen scandal. I've been to multiple events with McDonnel (crap now I just outed myself because how many of his sports own hybrids?) and had hopes for him lie in 2016 but no more.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Cap'n Reality ()
Date: July 08, 2013 10:56PM

Um, nobody said you HAVE to buy a hybrid. If you don't like the $64 tax on the hybrid...don't buy a hybrid.

Shit...nobody said you have to buy a CAR, period.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: eLyHL ()
Date: July 08, 2013 11:01PM

Cap'n Reality Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Um, nobody said you HAVE to buy a hybrid. If you
> don't like the $64 tax on the hybrid...don't buy a
> hybrid.
>
> Shit...nobody said you have to buy a CAR, period.


Whining - It's what sanctimonious hybrid drivers do best.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Hybrid ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:26AM

Slick Willy Wrote:
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> Pay the $64. It is for the children.


+1

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Hard on for McDonnell ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:40AM

Right wing hybrid driver,

You're right that not all hybrid owners are left-wing nutjobs. But that doesn't take away from the fact that hybrid (and *especially* electric vehicles) do damage to the road and don't pay the same amount (or at all for electric) in gas taxes. The issue has been muddied somewhat with the increase in the sales tax, but I don't see why it's unreasonable to ask people getting a free (or reduced) ride to pony up a bit.

Now, if you want to quibble with the $64 number...maybe it should be a bit lower. I've seen calculations in the $40 range on average (at Bacons Rebellion a bit back I believe). That seems reasonable. But the idea that hybrid or electric vehicles should just get to be freeriders seems absurd.

PS: I too have a hard-on for McDonnell. I don't know what the dude has been thinking with the gifts BS. I'm optimistic as to how things will turn out but time will tell. (It's sort of telling that the dude still has a 60% approval rating amidst all this stuff.) But his 2016 ambitions do seem to have dimmed considerably.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Flexible Pavement and Physics ()
Date: July 09, 2013 08:48AM

Hard on for McDonnell Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Right wing hybrid driver,
>
> You're right that not all hybrid owners are
> left-wing nutjobs. But that doesn't take away from
> the fact that hybrid (and *especially* electric
> vehicles) do damage to the road and don't pay the
> same amount (or at all for electric) in gas taxes.
> The issue has been muddied somewhat with the
> increase in the sales tax, but I don't see why
> it's unreasonable to ask people getting a free (or
> reduced) ride to pony up a bit.
>
> Now, if you want to quibble with the $64
> number...maybe it should be a bit lower. I've seen
> calculations in the $40 range on average (at
> Bacons Rebellion a bit back I believe). That seems
> reasonable. But the idea that hybrid or electric
> vehicles should just get to be freeriders seems
> absurd.
>
> PS: I too have a hard-on for McDonnell. I don't
> know what the dude has been thinking with the
> gifts BS. I'm optimistic as to how things will
> turn out but time will tell. (It's sort of telling
> that the dude still has a 60% approval rating
> amidst all this stuff.) But his 2016 ambitions do
> seem to have dimmed considerably.

So wait Hybrids do damage on the road, and yet you wont admit that trucks that weigh 2 to 3 times more do 50-100 times more damage.

You are such a weasel. The only way that the exponential relationship between load and fatigue wouldnt exist is if both elements dont cause ANY damage to the road. You just said that the hybrid causes damage to the road, therefore the truck, which weighs 2 to 3 times more, would do exponentially more damage either 2 to the fourth or 3 to the fourth.

So fuck you and the truck you rode in on. You can't have it both ways douche

Either the hybrid and truck dont cause any damage to roads (not true, and your argument by the extreme was a weak point in your argument to use a bike which weighs literally 300 times less than even a hybrid) or they cause damage, and the object that weighs 2 to 3 times more, does 2^4 or 3^4 more damage. Those are the laws of physics and the characteristics of Bit Asphalt

Hey douche, bikes would cause damage to the road, but it would take 300^4 longer than even a hybrid and it would 800^4 to 1200^4 longer than a light truck, so while you think that is infinite, its not you fuckin douche, its just a really long time.

Suck it you lose

Take your wikipedia bullshit that you don't even understand, and get the fuck out you phony

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: RealMan ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:10AM

Do you suck off your mother with that mouth, you faggoty ass, faggot fuck?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Awwww whats wrong you mad bro? ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:14AM

RealMan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Do you suck off your mother with that mouth, you
> faggoty ass, faggot fuck?


So sad, you lost the argument, can't refute the complete circular logic of your horseshit reasoning as to why a $64 tax on hybrids makes sense, and then retort with that weak ass response?

Waaaaaaah

2010-12-13-Boehner.jpg

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: RealMan ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:28AM

You tree huggers need to pay your fair share instead of constantly sucking off the rest of us.

Get back into your mutant ninja turtle car and go suck off shredder.

Pay the $2, slacker.

Your hybrid is faggy and your mad cause you can't get away with being a closet case anymore.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Another great argument ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:32AM

RealMan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You tree huggers need to pay your fair share
> instead of constantly sucking off the rest of us.
>
> Get back into your mutant ninja turtle car and go
> suck off shredder.
>
> Pay the $2, slacker.
>
> Your hybrid is faggy and your mad cause you can't
> get away with being a closet case anymore.


One, I'm not a tree hugger, and I think the environmental argument for most things is idiotic. This is a financial argument.

Two, you can't even get the numbers right. As has been stated nearly a hundred times in this thread, its $64 and it would have been $100 had it not been for a lot of complaining from the northern virginia delegation.

That is equivalent to how much most people will pay in gas tax in total, ON TOP of the fact that hybrids also pay the regular gas tax at the pump also.

And thirdly, as noted above, it isn't the fair share, because hybrids cause dozens of times less damage than trucks (who dont pay dozens of times more) for the road maintenance.

Ass hat. Luckily you idiots nominated a complete moron for governor, who will lose and the democrat will remove the hybrid tax.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: @sshat ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:43AM

Doesn't matter knob gobber. You fags thought you were so smart trying to get around the system, now your mad that the system you tried to fuck, fucked you!

Hahahaha! Pay up bitch!

You dumb asses with your gag reflex spending a dollar to save a penny. Morons.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: baddrivepenalty ()
Date: July 09, 2013 09:47AM

Lot's of reasons to justify it. However, if you want a simple one that you can wrap your head around that no one will disagree with.. here is a reason for the fee:


It's a $64 year penalty/fine for hybrid drivers, who largely drive like slow assholes. It should arguably be higher, but since some hybrid drivers don't drive like douches.. it's only fair.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:05AM

Exponential relationship Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> YThJt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh god Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > pay up Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > > > >
> > > > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on average
> > > lets
> > > > say
> > > > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents
> per
> > > > gallon
> > > > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25
> > miles
> > > > per
> > > > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets
> call
> > > it
> > > > > 10000 to be conservative. The average
> truck
> > > > gets
> > > > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000 gallons
> > of
> > > > fuel
> > > > > per year. That truck driver therefore
> pays
> > > $130
> > > > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > > > >
> > > > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000
> miles,
> > > but
> > > > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full
> > range
> > > > of
> > > > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which means
> > they
> > > > pay
> > > > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50
> in
> > > gas
> > > > tax
> > > > > payment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than
> hybrid,
> > > > > therefore it causes lets say a
> conservative
> > > 50
> > > > > times more maintenance needs on the road
> > > (that
> > > > is
> > > > > very conservative). In order for the fee
> to
> > > be
> > > > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a
> > truck
> > > > > should be equal to the ratio of the
> fatigue
> > > > load
> > > > > damage.
> > > >
> > > > Your fatigue load damage numbers are based
> > upon
> > > > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your studies
> > > > addresses POVs. Until you can come up with
> > > > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain a
> > lil
> > > > bitch whining about having to pay $67/year
> > for
> > > > your fagmobile.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck
> and
> > > comparing a 40% increase over another big
> truck
> > or
> > > comparing a small car to a SUV. The equation
> > > remains the same
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> src="http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1
>
> >
> > > -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
> > >
> > > The life cycle of the asphalt (number of
> times
> > a
> > > load can be applied) plummets when you go from
> a
> > 2
> > > ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when you
> go
> > > from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle, yes
> > it
> > > continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean
> the
> > > same relationship doesnt exist between the 2
> > ton
> > > and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in
> the
> > > case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast
> split
> > > among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel)
> where
> > as
> > > a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The
> only
> > > difference is an 18 wheeler would be like 4.5
> > SUVs
> > > driving in unison everywhere.
> > >
> > > You are a complete imbecile.
> >
> >
> > You're high.
> >
> > Your own chart shows that the relationship is
> > highly nonlinear and you seem to understand
> that
> > as it favors one aspect of your argument. Then
> > you switch back to trying to make it appear that
> a
> > relatively very light truck is even in the same
> > range as heavy vehicles.
> >
> > 80KN is about 18,000 lbs./axle (times N axles
> for
> > purposes of such calculations, not divided by
> the
> > number of wheels). A standard 1/2 ton pickup
> or
> > SUV wouldn't show up as much of even a blip on
> > your chart. And once you get below a certain
> > weight, whatever that may be, then it begins to
> > approach insignificant values and other factors
> > like overall traffic levels, weathering and
> > heat/freeze cycles, etc., begin to outweigh (no
> > pun intended) any effect of individual load.
> >
> > Practically speaking, I seriously doubt that
> there
> > is any significant difference between
> load-related
> > wear between a typical light car and light
> truck.
> > If you want to claim that there is, then find
> > something to support that more directly, not by
> > very stretched extrapolation.
>
>
> The fact that it has an exponential relationship
> only makes it that much more dependent on weight
> you douche. Yes it tapers off, when you are
> dealing with freight trucks that are worth the
> same as 8000 car trips, but that doesnt mean that
> the "light truck" that weighs double that of the
> sedan doesnt still have exponentially more wear on
> the asphalt as the sedan.
>
> Weather conditions from frost heave are important,
> but when you are talking about major roadways, its
> never the cause of the fatigue, its always load
> counts.
>
> The reason the difference between light trucks and
> sedans look insignificant is because that is a
> logarithmic scale where the high end is thousands
> of times. But in reality when a truck has 50 times
> more fatigue caused on a road surface than another
> car, then that is still a significant amount more
> (even though its not nearly as much as a
> commercial freight truck, which pays weight fees
> by the way).
>
> So go ahead and still suck it


You were saying?

When I asked the mayor’s press office for data to support the claim, I was directed to a study for the Oregon Department of Transportation, which found that “road damage increases much more than proportionately with vehicle weight on a roadway surface.” So I emailed Anthony Rufolo, a Portland State University professor who co-authored the study to ask if that conclusion applied to SUVs and minivans. His response: No.

The study, he told me “has no relevance to passenger vehicles. Passenger vehicles (or light vehicles) have not been found to damage roads. The federal government and various states analyze the appropriate cost allocation between light and heavy vehicles due to road damage. None of the studies attribute much increase in road damage to more use by light vehicles.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-chicagos-vehicle-sticker-increase-20111019,0,4086033.story

Ouch, that has to hurt for you...

Oh, and more....

Short run marginal road costs from autos and other light vehicles are directly related to miles driven and, despite increasing variance in vehicle weights (and fuel efficiency), there is not much difference in the damage done to the road by different types of light vehicles (whereas there is a big difference in damage to the road done by heavy trucks of different weight groups and with different axle configurations). Indeed, Merriss (2004) notes that the “difference in pavement damage imposed by a 6,000-pound large SUV versus a 3,500-pound compact car is inconsequential as compared to the difference in (pavement) damage imposed by either of these vehicles versus a fully-loaded 80,000-pound truck” (p.2).

http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/40000/40500/40500/ODOT-VMT_Fee_Impacts.pdf

I hope you and your boyfriend had a nice ride into work this morning in your fagmobile.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: GetM4th ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:14AM

Gotta agree with that. Too many people out there try to "get over". Sooo many hybrid owners for years thought that their shit didn't stink...err exhaust didn't pollute, I mean.

They ended up spending a dollar to save pennies. Now that it's clear that we aren't getting $8 a gallon gas, they are feeling vilified. Funny how the tables turn like that.

I never understood how people thought that a car with two engines was going to save them money. You may use less gas, but you have to push a heavier car with two engines that evens it out. Then you have the issue of what to do with those not so environmentally friendly batteries, when they wear out.

Hybrids were one of the stupidest things to come out of the auto industry and I was amazed at the idiots who flocked to them, without thinking of the ramifications of saving a few pennies and drive in the HOV. Now that their rash decision is coming back to haunt them, they want to complain.

"You dumb asses with your gag reflex spending a dollar to save a penny. "

So succinct and true...

--------------------------------------

The Artist Formerly Known As GetM@th

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Derrrr Whats physics ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:22AM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Exponential relationship Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > YThJt Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Oh god Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > pay up Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > MATH IDIOT Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > No they really fuckin dont you douche
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gas tax is now 3.5%, gas costs on
> average
> > > > lets
> > > > > say
> > > > > > $3.80. That comes out to about 13 cents
> > per
> > > > > gallon
> > > > > > pumped. The average virginian drives 25
> > > miles
> > > > > per
> > > > > > day or about 9100 miles per year, lets
> > call
> > > > it
> > > > > > 10000 to be conservative. The average
> > truck
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > 10 mpg, so that comes out to 1000
> gallons
> > > of
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > per year. That truck driver therefore
> > pays
> > > > $130
> > > > > > per year in the new gas tax.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A hybrid driver does the same 10000
> > miles,
> > > > but
> > > > > > gets 40 mpg on average (across the full
> > > range
> > > > > of
> > > > > > hybrids). Thats 250 gallons, which
> means
> > > they
> > > > > pay
> > > > > > $32.50 in gas tax for a total of $96.50
> > in
> > > > gas
> > > > > tax
> > > > > > payment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truck weighs 2 to 3 times more than
> > hybrid,
> > > > > > therefore it causes lets say a
> > conservative
> > > > 50
> > > > > > times more maintenance needs on the
> road
> > > > (that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > very conservative). In order for the
> fee
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > correct, the amount a hybrid pays vs a
> > > truck
> > > > > > should be equal to the ratio of the
> > fatigue
> > > > > load
> > > > > > damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your fatigue load damage numbers are
> based
> > > upon
> > > > > tractor trailers. NEITHER of your
> studies
> > > > > addresses POVs. Until you can come up
> with
> > > > > RELEVANT facts you'll just have to remain
> a
> > > lil
> > > > > bitch whining about having to pay
> $67/year
> > > for
> > > > > your fagmobile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dude its all loads. Whether its a big truck
> > and
> > > > comparing a 40% increase over another big
> > truck
> > > or
> > > > comparing a small car to a SUV. The
> equation
> > > > remains the same
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> >
> src="http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -s2.0-S2090447912000627-gr5.jpg">
> > > >
> > > > The life cycle of the asphalt (number of
> > times
> > > a
> > > > load can be applied) plummets when you go
> from
> > a
> > > 2
> > > > ton vehicle to a 4 ton vehicle. And when
> you
> > go
> > > > from a 4 ton vehicle to a 10 ton vehicle,
> yes
> > > it
> > > > continues to plummet, but that doesnt mean
> > the
> > > > same relationship doesnt exist between the
> 2
> > > ton
> > > > and 4 ton, in fact its the same because in
> > the
> > > > case of an 18 wheeler the load is atleast
> > split
> > > > among 18 wheels (or 1.05 tons per wheel)
> > where
> > > as
> > > > a 4 ton truck is 1.00 tons per wheel. The
> > only
> > > > difference is an 18 wheeler would be like
> 4.5
> > > SUVs
> > > > driving in unison everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > You are a complete imbecile.
> > >
> > >
> > > You're high.
> > >
> > > Your own chart shows that the relationship is
> > > highly nonlinear and you seem to understand
> > that
> > > as it favors one aspect of your argument.
> Then
> > > you switch back to trying to make it appear
> that
> > a
> > > relatively very light truck is even in the
> same
> > > range as heavy vehicles.
> > >
> > > 80KN is about 18,000 lbs./axle (times N axles
> > for
> > > purposes of such calculations, not divided by
> > the
> > > number of wheels). A standard 1/2 ton pickup
> > or
> > > SUV wouldn't show up as much of even a blip
> on
> > > your chart. And once you get below a certain
> > > weight, whatever that may be, then it begins
> to
> > > approach insignificant values and other
> factors
> > > like overall traffic levels, weathering and
> > > heat/freeze cycles, etc., begin to outweigh
> (no
> > > pun intended) any effect of individual load.
> > >
> > > Practically speaking, I seriously doubt that
> > there
> > > is any significant difference between
> > load-related
> > > wear between a typical light car and light
> > truck.
> > > If you want to claim that there is, then find
> > > something to support that more directly, not
> by
> > > very stretched extrapolation.
> >
> >
> > The fact that it has an exponential
> relationship
> > only makes it that much more dependent on
> weight
> > you douche. Yes it tapers off, when you are
> > dealing with freight trucks that are worth the
> > same as 8000 car trips, but that doesnt mean
> that
> > the "light truck" that weighs double that of
> the
> > sedan doesnt still have exponentially more wear
> on
> > the asphalt as the sedan.
> >
> > Weather conditions from frost heave are
> important,
> > but when you are talking about major roadways,
> its
> > never the cause of the fatigue, its always load
> > counts.
> >
> > The reason the difference between light trucks
> and
> > sedans look insignificant is because that is a
> > logarithmic scale where the high end is
> thousands
> > of times. But in reality when a truck has 50
> times
> > more fatigue caused on a road surface than
> another
> > car, then that is still a significant amount
> more
> > (even though its not nearly as much as a
> > commercial freight truck, which pays weight
> fees
> > by the way).
> >
> > So go ahead and still suck it
>
>
> You were saying?
>
> When I asked the mayor’s press office for data
> to support the claim, I was directed to a study
> for the Oregon Department of Transportation, which
> found that “road damage increases much more than
> proportionately with vehicle weight on a roadway
> surface.” So I emailed Anthony Rufolo, a
> Portland State University professor who
> co-authored the study to ask if that conclusion
> applied to SUVs and minivans. His response: No.
>
> The study, he told me “has no relevance to
> passenger vehicles. Passenger vehicles (or light
> vehicles) have not been found to damage roads. The
> federal government and various states analyze the
> appropriate cost allocation between light and
> heavy vehicles due to road damage. None of the
> studies attribute much increase in road damage to
> more use by light vehicles.”
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman
> /chi-chicagos-vehicle-sticker-increase-20111019,0,
> 4086033.story
>
> Ouch, that has to hurt for you...
>
> Oh, and more....
>
> Short run marginal road costs from autos and other
> light vehicles are directly related to miles
> driven and, despite increasing variance in vehicle
> weights (and fuel efficiency), there is not much
> difference in the damage done to the road by
> different types of light vehicles (whereas there
> is a big difference in damage to the road done by
> heavy trucks of different weight groups and with
> different axle configurations). Indeed, Merriss
> (2004) notes that the “difference in pavement
> damage imposed by a 6,000-pound large SUV versus a
> 3,500-pound compact car is inconsequential as
> compared to the difference in (pavement) damage
> imposed by either of these vehicles versus a
> fully-loaded 80,000-pound truck” (p.2).
>
> http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/40000/40500/40500/ODOT-VMT_
> Fee_Impacts.pdf
>
> I hope you and your boyfriend had a nice ride into
> work this morning in your fagmobile.

Ok, then the argument that Hybrids cause damage to the road is false asswipe, therefore there should be no additional tax for the purpose of recouping maintenance costs on hybrids. You can't have it both ways you little ass licker, and if you look at my comment you will see THAT is what I said.

PS everything causes damage to everything so whatever this professor (a fancy word for someone who can't actually find a job) is saying is total tripe. Practically speaking, when you are talking about the lifecycle of a road, it always comes down to freight truck volumes because of the fact that freight trucks can cause a full days sedan fatigue just with one trip.

That being said, that doesn't mean that the other vehicles dont also cause damage, its simply that they aren't the drivers for the fatigue. Regardless, in the discussion of marginal damages, light trucks still cause 50-100 times more damage than sedans (as minimal as that is in the grand scheme).

So yer still full of shit shit for brains.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Derrrr I'm bad at math too ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:25AM

GetM4th Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Gotta agree with that. Too many people out there
> try to "get over". Sooo many hybrid owners for
> years thought that their shit didn't stink...err
> exhaust didn't pollute, I mean.
>
> They ended up spending a dollar to save pennies.
> Now that it's clear that we aren't getting $8 a
> gallon gas, they are feeling vilified. Funny how
> the tables turn like that.
>
> I never understood how people thought that a car
> with two engines was going to save them money.
> You may use less gas, but you have to push a
> heavier car with two engines that evens it out.
> Then you have the issue of what to do with those
> not so environmentally friendly batteries, when
> they wear out.
>
> Hybrids were one of the stupidest things to come
> out of the auto industry and I was amazed at the
> idiots who flocked to them, without thinking of
> the ramifications of saving a few pennies and
> drive in the HOV. Now that their rash decision is
> coming back to haunt them, they want to complain.
>
> "You dumb asses with your gag reflex spending a
> dollar to save a penny. "
>
> So succinct and true...

My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel costs $3.50 on average over the time that I have owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would have cost $7385

Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money douche.

You are fuckin dumb and bad at math

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: GetM4th ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:37AM

Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GetM4th Wrote:

> >
> > "You dumb asses with your gag reflex spending a
> > dollar to save a penny. "
> >
> > So succinct and true...
>
> My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A
> non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> costs $3.50 on average over the time that I have
> owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would
> have cost $7385
>
> Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money douche.
>
> You are fuckin dumb and bad at math

Really, what's the resale value on that bad boy...or are you going to drive it into the ground? If you drive it into the ground, how much is it going to cost in parts and labor to replace that energizer under your hood and other specialized parts and labor?

How are those additional costs impacting your fuel savings??? Paid a dollar to save pennies.

--------------------------------------

The Artist Formerly Known As GetM@th



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 10:38AM by GetM4th.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Bad at math and life huh? ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:40AM

GetM4th Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GetM4th Wrote:
>
> > >
> > > "You dumb asses with your gag reflex spending
> a
> > > dollar to save a penny. "
> > >
> > > So succinct and true...
> >
> > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A
> > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> have
> > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would
> > have cost $7385
> >
> > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> douche.
> >
> > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
>
> Really, what's the resale value on that bad
> boy...or are you going to drive it into the
> ground? If you drive it into the ground, how much
> is it going to cost in parts and labor to replace
> that energizer under your hood and other
> specialized parts and labor?
>
> How are those additional costs impacting your fuel
> savings??? Paid a dollar to save pennies.

I plan on driving it into the ground. Considering I've already gone 150k and the battery is still fine, I don't think its a problem at all. Also consider the fact that the battery full replacement would still only cost $3800, so you are still wrong. That is the only other specialized part. I dont pay any different labor fee when I take it to my mechanic.

Sooooo you are full of shit bud

I have actually paid less on maintenance of this vehicle than my prior vehicle which died at 190k. And again, considering this car is at 150k and the worst I've had is replacing an AC Compressor and standard tire/maintenance I think you are full of

Shit


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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:47AM

Derrrr Whats physics Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, then the argument that Hybrids cause damage to
> the road is false asswipe, therefore there should
> be no additional tax for the purpose of recouping
> maintenance costs on hybrids. You can't have it
> both ways you little ass licker, and if you look
> at my comment you will see THAT is what I said.

All vehicles cause damage to the road. You may think THAT is what you said, but you didn't. Here is an easy one for you. Point to the exact sentence where you said that. Just like on all other challenges give to you, you will fail at this one as well.

> PS everything causes damage to everything so
> whatever this professor (a fancy word for someone
> who can't actually find a job) is saying is total
> tripe. Practically speaking, when you are talking
> about the lifecycle of a road, it always comes
> down to freight truck volumes because of the fact
> that freight trucks can cause a full days sedan
> fatigue just with one trip.

Right, because 66 inside the beltway never needs resurfacing.

> That being said, that doesn't mean that the other
> vehicles dont also cause damage, its simply that
> they aren't the drivers for the fatigue.
> Regardless, in the discussion of marginal damages,
> light trucks still cause 50-100 times more damage
> than sedans (as minimal as that is in the grand
> scheme).

Umm, despite all the evidence given to you that demonstrates that your 50-100 times number is complete bullshit, you continue to double down on your stupidity.

> So yer still full of shit shit for brains.

Really? So, did you enjoy your ride into work with your boyfriend in your fagmobile?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: GetM4th ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:57AM

Bad at math and life huh? Wrote:

> I have actually paid less on maintenance of this
> vehicle than my prior vehicle which died at 190k.
> And again, considering this car is at 150k and the
> worst I've had is replacing an AC Compressor and
> standard tire/maintenance I think you are full of
>
>
>

Shit



Great! Then you can pay the tax with your savings! Yea! Win Win!

--------------------------------------

The Artist Formerly Known As GetM@th

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Atleast you admit it ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:59AM

GetM4th Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bad at math and life huh? Wrote:
>
> > I have actually paid less on maintenance of
> this
> > vehicle than my prior vehicle which died at
> 190k.
> > And again, considering this car is at 150k and
> the
> > worst I've had is replacing an AC Compressor
> and
> > standard tire/maintenance I think you are full
> of
> >
> >
> >

Shit


>
> Great! Then you can pay the tax with your
> savings! Yea! Win Win!

Great, as long as you agree you are a hypocrite. Don't worry that kind of hypocrisy is just another reason why Virginians are fed up with the same old same old good ole boy network of the GOP. Enjoy losing races for the forseeable future.

- A former conservative republican, now a conservative democrat

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay the man his money ()
Date: July 09, 2013 10:59AM

Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A
> non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> costs $3.50 on average over the time that I have
> owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would
> have cost $7385
>
> Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money douche.
>
> You are fuckin dumb and bad at math

So, by your own admission, you have been driving a heavier vehicle than the person who bought the non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+ years and paying less to keep up the roads around here. pay up is right, time for you to pay your fair share.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Shit on a wall ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:13AM

pay the man his money Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A
> > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> have
> > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would
> > have cost $7385
> >
> > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> douche.
> >
> > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
>
> So, by your own admission, you have been driving a
> heavier vehicle than the person who bought the
> non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+ years
> and paying less to keep up the roads around here.
> pay up is right, time for you to pay your fair
> share.

What the fuck are you talking about. A hybrid vs a non-hybrid of the same make is lighter you douche not heavier.

Fuckin tangential arguments out your ass huh? If you keep throwing shit on a wall I guess you can pray some of it sticks

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: You are a douche ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:15AM

pay the man his money Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas. A
> > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> have
> > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons would
> > have cost $7385
> >
> > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> douche.
> >
> > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
>
> So, by your own admission, you have been driving a
> heavier vehicle than the person who bought the
> non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+ years
> and paying less to keep up the roads around here.
> pay up is right, time for you to pay your fair
> share.


PS, is it an ideal of conservatism for the consumer to be able to make the best financial option for themselves?

If you can buy an apple from Giant for 49 cents, or an apple from Whole foods for 1.09... should the government tax you 60 cents so that everyone pays the same for an apple.

Fuckin hypocrit moron

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:28AM

Shit on a wall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pay the man his money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> > > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> > > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> > > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas.
> A
> > > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> > > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> > have
> > > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons
> would
> > > have cost $7385
> > >
> > > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> > douche.
> > >
> > > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
> >
> > So, by your own admission, you have been driving
> a
> > heavier vehicle than the person who bought the
> > non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+
> years
> > and paying less to keep up the roads around
> here.
> > pay up is right, time for you to pay your fair
> > share.
>
> What the fuck are you talking about. A hybrid vs a
> non-hybrid of the same make is lighter you douche
> not heavier.

ORLY, dumbass? Jeebus, making you look stupid isn't even sporting any more! Try a little harder, ya lil bitch.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/specifications.aspx

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/specifications.aspx

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Camry-2013/specs/

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Camry-2013/specs/

Again, do you think that battery in your fagmobile is as light as a feather?


> Fuckin tangential arguments out your ass huh? If
> you keep throwing shit on a wall I guess you can
> pray some of it sticks

LOL. You mean like trying to use freight trucks as a substitute for light vehicles?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:30AM

You are a douche Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pay the man his money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its comparable
> > > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid gets
> > > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k, that
> > > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of gas.
> A
> > > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons. Fuel
> > > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> > have
> > > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons
> would
> > > have cost $7385
> > >
> > > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> > douche.
> > >
> > > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
> >
> > So, by your own admission, you have been driving
> a
> > heavier vehicle than the person who bought the
> > non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+
> years
> > and paying less to keep up the roads around
> here.
> > pay up is right, time for you to pay your fair
> > share.
>
>
> PS, is it an ideal of conservatism for the
> consumer to be able to make the best financial
> option for themselves?

Sure. Explain how adding $67/year is still not in your best financial interest. According to you, you've saved thousands.

> If you can buy an apple from Giant for 49 cents,
> or an apple from Whole foods for 1.09... should
> the government tax you 60 cents so that everyone
> pays the same for an apple.


Speaking of apples, learn the phrase apples and oranges. What wear and tear on the roads are the apples doing? You really aren't this stupid, are you?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: now that's some shit right there ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:31AM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shit on a wall Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay the man his money Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its
> comparable
> > > > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid
> gets
> > > > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k,
> that
> > > > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of
> gas.
> > A
> > > > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons.
> Fuel
> > > > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> > > have
> > > > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons
> > would
> > > > have cost $7385
> > > >
> > > > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> > > douche.
> > > >
> > > > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
> > >
> > > So, by your own admission, you have been
> driving
> > a
> > > heavier vehicle than the person who bought
> the
> > > non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+
> > years
> > > and paying less to keep up the roads around
> > here.
> > > pay up is right, time for you to pay your
> fair
> > > share.
> >
> > What the fuck are you talking about. A hybrid vs
> a
> > non-hybrid of the same make is lighter you
> douche
> > not heavier.
>
> ORLY, dumbass? Jeebus, making you look stupid
> isn't even sporting any more! Try a little
> harder, ya lil bitch.
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/specific
> ations.aspx
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/specifica
> tions.aspx
>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Camry-2013/specs/
>
>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-Toyota-Camry-2013/specs/
>
>
> Again, do you think that battery in your fagmobile
> is as light as a feather?

bwahahahahahahahaah. Fag boi got his ass handed to him.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Douche posts twice way to go! ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:33AM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are a douche Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pay the man his money Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Derrrr I'm bad at math too Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > My hybrid cost $2500 more than its
> comparable
> > > > non-hybrid. Non-hybrid got 26mpg, hybrid
> gets
> > > > 41mpg. I have driven it just under 150k,
> that
> > > > means my hybrid has used 3660 gallons of
> gas.
> > A
> > > > non hybrid would have used 5770 gallons.
> Fuel
> > > > costs $3.50 on average over the time that I
> > > have
> > > > owned it. So that additional 2110 gallons
> > would
> > > > have cost $7385
> > > >
> > > > Net savings was $4885. Keep wasting money
> > > douche.
> > > >
> > > > You are fuckin dumb and bad at math
> > >
> > > So, by your own admission, you have been
> driving
> > a
> > > heavier vehicle than the person who bought
> the
> > > non-hybrid version of your vehicle for 10+
> > years
> > > and paying less to keep up the roads around
> > here.
> > > pay up is right, time for you to pay your
> fair
> > > share.
> >
> >
> > PS, is it an ideal of conservatism for the
> > consumer to be able to make the best financial
> > option for themselves?
>
> Sure. Explain how adding $67/year is still not in
> your best financial interest. According to you,
> you've saved thousands.
>
> > If you can buy an apple from Giant for 49
> cents,
> > or an apple from Whole foods for 1.09... should
> > the government tax you 60 cents so that
> everyone
> > pays the same for an apple.
>
>
> Speaking of apples, learn the phrase apples and
> oranges. What wear and tear on the roads are the
> apples doing? You really aren't this stupid, are
> you?

Even with the $65 fee, its still makes financial sense to own the hybrid, its just a punitive and politically motivated fee.

Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh I stand so corrected, ya thats totally comparable to the differenc between a sedan and a light truck (double to triple the weight)

You douche

Enjoy paying for gas, I hope it keeps going up. I laugh and laugh whenever you butt hurts complain about it. Smile champ, your janitorial job is sure to give you that 25 cent raise next year

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:41AM

Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Even with the $65 fee, its still makes financial
> sense to own the hybrid, its just a punitive and
> politically motivated fee.

How is it punitive? You pay the same rate to upkeep the roads as the guy in the same or lighter vehicle next to you. You think that fagmobile exempts you from keeping up the roads?

> Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh I
> stand so corrected, ya thats totally comparable to
> the differenc between a sedan and a light truck
> (double to triple the weight)

You said that hybrids were lighter. Did you not? You called me a douche over it as you were oh so confident. I simply pointed out what a lil bitch you are and now you get all butt hurt about it. I can't help it if you don't know shit and aren't afraid of demonstrating that here.

> Enjoy paying for gas, I hope it keeps going up. I
> laugh and laugh whenever you butt hurts complain
> about it. Smile champ, your janitorial job is sure
> to give you that 25 cent raise next year

Nice cushy well paying white collar job where I don't worry about the fluctuation of gas prices. I also don't need to drive a car to 150K miles. LOL. That must suck. Don't worry, sequester won't last forever, lil bitch.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Logic ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:43AM

To the anti-hybrid troll, you know you are arguing against your own logic right?

You say the hybrid fee is necessary to recoup maintenance cost caused by hybrids on a road, but then go on to say that there is no maintenance cost created by any non-freight truck vehicle.

So what does that leave? A usery fee would be the only appropriate fee to be levied, regardless of weight class for private vehicles under 8000 pounds, and charged on a per mile usage of the road in order to cover the capital cost and environmental wear and tear on roads. The hybrid fee of $64 would then still be exacted too high.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Fag says what? ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:44AM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Even with the $65 fee, its still makes
> financial
> > sense to own the hybrid, its just a punitive
> and
> > politically motivated fee.
>
> How is it punitive? You pay the same rate to
> upkeep the roads as the guy in the same or lighter
> vehicle next to you. You think that fagmobile
> exempts you from keeping up the roads?
>
> > Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> > increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh I
> > stand so corrected, ya thats totally comparable
> to
> > the differenc between a sedan and a light truck
> > (double to triple the weight)
>
> You said that hybrids were lighter. Did you not?
> You called me a douche over it as you were oh so
> confident. I simply pointed out what a lil bitch
> you are and now you get all butt hurt about it. I
> can't help it if you don't know shit and aren't
> afraid of demonstrating that here.
>
> > Enjoy paying for gas, I hope it keeps going up.
> I
> > laugh and laugh whenever you butt hurts
> complain
> > about it. Smile champ, your janitorial job is
> sure
> > to give you that 25 cent raise next year
>
> Nice cushy well paying white collar job where I
> don't worry about the fluctuation of gas prices.
> I also don't need to drive a car to 150K miles.
> LOL. That must suck. Don't worry, sequester
> won't last forever, lil bitch.


Yea I'd rather spend my money on more important shit than my cock enlarger, oops I mean a truck. We get it you aren't a fag.

Doth protest too much

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: noworthit ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:45AM

Maybe you can Google dork it for me, but I don't think I've seen a reasonable argument for Hybrids being worth the cost. Here's a good example:

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0412/are-hybrid-vehicles-worth-the-extra-cost.aspx

It uses the Honda Civic vs Honda Civic Hybrid as an example. This pretty much sums it up:

"Since the cost of the hybrid was $8,205 more, it will take 18 years to recoup the extra cost of the hybrid. Asking a car to last 18 years or 270,000 miles isn't practical, so the only realistic way to recoup those costs is to drive more miles or capitalize on the fuel efficiency and receive a tax credit."

Couple that with the fact that most hybrid cars are slower and you'll have to shell out $5,000 to replace the battery after 7-8 years.. wow not economical at all. Gas would have to be like $12 a gallon.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:48AM

Logic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> To the anti-hybrid troll, you know you are arguing
> against your own logic right?
>
> You say the hybrid fee is necessary to recoup
> maintenance cost caused by hybrids on a road, but
> then go on to say that there is no maintenance
> cost created by any non-freight truck vehicle.

No, I never said there is no damage. You have the reading comprehension level of the douche spewing hybrid troll here. As the literature indicates, one heavy truck equals about the same as 8-9000 light vehicles. Numerous road surfaces in this area see much more than that per day. Many of those vehicles are hybrids who have been paying far less for more than a decade to keep them up. Inside 66 is a prime example. There are zero large trucks, but numerous passenger vehicles. During rush hour half of them are hybrids.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 11:50AM

Fag says what? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Yea I'd rather spend my money on more important
> shit than my cock enlarger, oops I mean a truck.
> We get it you aren't a fag.

I drive a sedan. A normal sedan with four doors. It isn't a luxury car, just a normal sedan.

> Doth protest too much

Assume too much? Are you hybrid troll's boyfriend? Was he too upset to get with you last night?

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: D3WpL ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:03PM

Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh I
> stand so corrected, ya thats totally comparable to
> the differenc between a sedan and a light truck
> (double to triple the weight)
>


But it's an "exponential difference!" lmao

So now apparently you are recognizing that there is some de minimus level at which any difference is insignificant.

Now, the next step is for you to go find something which supports your claim re that the difference in weight between light cars and trucks is above that de minimus level. Independent, objective sources have been provided for the counter argument. You've provided nothing but your own BS. Either back your shit up or STFU.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Little Brain no Logic ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:11PM

Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> > increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh I
> > stand so corrected, ya thats totally comparable
> to
> > the differenc between a sedan and a light truck
> > (double to triple the weight)
> >
>
>
> But it's an "exponential difference!" lmao
>
> So now apparently you are recognizing that there
> is some de minimus level at which any difference
> is insignificant.
>
> Now, the next step is for you to go find something
> which supports your claim re that the difference
> in weight between light cars and trucks is above
> that de minimus level. Independent, objective
> sources have been provided for the counter
> argument. You've provided nothing but your own
> BS. Either back your shit up or STFU.


You have still provided a circular logic argument. If there is no damage caused to roads by sedans and trucks, then why should there be a fee at all? Instead it should be whatever the total cost of the jurisdiction maintenance due to weather and environment, minus the damage fees charged to freight, divided equally among all car owners, or a flat mileage fee.

Otherwise, you still disregard that, while a freight truck provides 8000 car loads, that a light truck has 50 car loads. So it only takes 160 light trucks to equal that freight truck, and 8000 standard sedans.

Can't be both champ

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Are you saying ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:13PM

A change of 100lbs between a standard vs its comparable hybrid is equivalent to a $64 dollar flat fee? Thats stupid.

Consider this, a person with a hybrid who only drives 5 miles per day, or 1800 miles per year. They get 45 gallons of fuel per year. Their gas tax with this fee would be the same as everyone elses plus $1.42 per gallon.

How is that fair? How is that conservative you douche. Cunt licking GOPwhore

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:17PM

Little Brain no Logic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> > > increase between hybrid and standard. Ohhhhh
> I
> > > stand so corrected, ya thats totally
> comparable
> > to
> > > the differenc between a sedan and a light
> truck
> > > (double to triple the weight)
> > >
> >
> >
> > But it's an "exponential difference!" lmao
> >
> > So now apparently you are recognizing that
> there
> > is some de minimus level at which any
> difference
> > is insignificant.
> >
> > Now, the next step is for you to go find
> something
> > which supports your claim re that the
> difference
> > in weight between light cars and trucks is
> above
> > that de minimus level. Independent, objective
> > sources have been provided for the counter
> > argument. You've provided nothing but your own
> > BS. Either back your shit up or STFU.
>
>
> You have still provided a circular logic argument.
> If there is no damage caused to roads by sedans
> and trucks, then why should there be a fee at all?
> Instead it should be whatever the total cost of
> the jurisdiction maintenance due to weather and
> environment, minus the damage fees charged to
> freight, divided equally among all car owners, or
> a flat mileage fee.

Nobody has proffered an argument indicating no damage is caused by sedans. You simply made it up just as you made up NUMEROUS other things in this thread. Point to the sentence where someone indicated no damage is made by sedans and trucks.

In fact, it has been pointed out that: "Short run marginal road costs from autos and other light vehicles are directly related to miles driven and, despite increasing variance in vehicle weights (and fuel efficiency), there is not much difference in the damage done to the road by different types of light vehicles (whereas there is a big difference in damage to the road done by heavy trucks of different weight groups and with different axle configurations)"

Now, get back in your fagmobile with your boyfriend and go home and cry together.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: pay up ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:20PM

Are you saying Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A change of 100lbs between a standard vs its
> comparable hybrid is equivalent to a $64 dollar
> flat fee? Thats stupid.

You don't understand things very well, do you?

> Consider this, a person with a hybrid who only
> drives 5 miles per day, or 1800 miles per year.
> They get 45 gallons of fuel per year. Their gas
> tax with this fee would be the same as everyone
> elses plus $1.42 per gallon.

What kind of idiot pays the hybrid tax for driving 5 miles per day?

> How is that fair?

It isn't, but then again, something tells me that someone who buys a hybrid to drive 1800 miles/yr makes numerous idiotic financial decisions, so in this case it is a stupid tax.

> How is that conservative you
> douche. Cunt licking GOPwhore

LOL. Now you think I am a Republican. You fagmobile drivers assume the nuttiest shit around.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Wrong quoting ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:22PM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Little Brain no Logic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Douche posts twice way to go! Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Secondly, your citing shows all of a 80lbs
> > > > increase between hybrid and standard.
> Ohhhhh
> > I
> > > > stand so corrected, ya thats totally
> > comparable
> > > to
> > > > the differenc between a sedan and a light
> > truck
> > > > (double to triple the weight)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But it's an "exponential difference!" lmao
> > >
> > > So now apparently you are recognizing that
> > there
> > > is some de minimus level at which any
> > difference
> > > is insignificant.
> > >
> > > Now, the next step is for you to go find
> > something
> > > which supports your claim re that the
> > difference
> > > in weight between light cars and trucks is
> > above
> > > that de minimus level. Independent,
> objective
> > > sources have been provided for the counter
> > > argument. You've provided nothing but your
> own
> > > BS. Either back your shit up or STFU.
> >
> >
> > You have still provided a circular logic
> argument.
> > If there is no damage caused to roads by sedans
> > and trucks, then why should there be a fee at
> all?
> > Instead it should be whatever the total cost of
> > the jurisdiction maintenance due to weather and
> > environment, minus the damage fees charged to
> > freight, divided equally among all car owners,
> or
> > a flat mileage fee.
>
> Nobody has proffered an argument indicating no
> damage is caused by sedans. You simply made it up
> just as you made up NUMEROUS other things in this
> thread. Point to the sentence where someone
> indicated no damage is made by sedans and trucks.
>
> In fact, it has been pointed out that: "Short run
> marginal road costs from autos and other light
> vehicles are directly related to miles driven and,
> despite increasing variance in vehicle weights
> (and fuel efficiency), there is not much
> difference in the damage done to the road by
> different types of light vehicles (whereas there
> is a big difference in damage to the road done by
> heavy trucks of different weight groups and with
> different axle configurations)"
>
> Now, get back in your fagmobile with your
> boyfriend and go home and cry together.


You infant, it says there is not much of a difference when comparing it to the damage done by a freight vehicle. Its like looking at a graph with an out of control upper end and saying, oh theres no difference down here. In reality it goes 1: 50 : 8000

You douche. So yes, there is a difference because 1 vs 50 is a big difference even though the difference between those and the freight truck are not as important

You douche

I just love that you live in a place that you must hate so much. You probably bitch about I-66, live out in the boondocks, and deal with traffic all day in your little penis truck mobile you little faggot

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Dick says what? ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:23PM

pay up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Are you saying Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A change of 100lbs between a standard vs its
> > comparable hybrid is equivalent to a $64 dollar
> > flat fee? Thats stupid.
>
> You don't understand things very well, do you?
>
> > Consider this, a person with a hybrid who only
> > drives 5 miles per day, or 1800 miles per year.
> > They get 45 gallons of fuel per year. Their gas
> > tax with this fee would be the same as everyone
> > elses plus $1.42 per gallon.
>
> What kind of idiot pays the hybrid tax for driving
> 5 miles per day?
>
> > How is that fair?
>
> It isn't, but then again, something tells me that
> someone who buys a hybrid to drive 1800 miles/yr
> makes numerous idiotic financial decisions, so in
> this case it is a stupid tax.
>
> > How is that conservative you
> > douche. Cunt licking GOPwhore
>
> LOL. Now you think I am a Republican. You
> fagmobile drivers assume the nuttiest shit around.


Hey douche, this is a brand new tax you cunt and its an old car. Unlike you I'm not stupid enough to get rid of a perfectly good car. Just admit you are a hypocrite for supporting this, but not for instance a larger car tax which would have done the same thing and been more equitable.

Dick

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: exywJ ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:28PM

Little Brain no Logic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> You have still provided a circular logic argument.
> If there is no damage caused to roads by sedans
> and trucks, then why should there be a fee at all?
> Instead it should be whatever the total cost of
> the jurisdiction maintenance due to weather and
> environment, minus the damage fees charged to
> freight, divided equally among all car owners, or
> a flat mileage fee.
>
> Otherwise, you still disregard that, while a
> freight truck provides 8000 car loads, that a
> light truck has 50 car loads. So it only takes 160
> light trucks to equal that freight truck, and 8000
> standard sedans.
>
> Can't be both champ


I'm the one providing circular arguments? lol That's funny.

No, I'm saying that below a certain level any difference in impact is IRRELEVANT. Again, using your anally derived 50X factor, which you've still provided absolutely no basis for, 50X a difference of squat still is squat.

You appear to recognize that a very large truck has the potential to cause exponentially greater damage/wear than simply the difference in weight versus another lighter heavy truck. You don't want to recognize that the damage/wear decreases exponentially as well.

Now, go find something to back up your 50X claim at the level of difference in weight between a light car and truck.

Simple.

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: Cunt Cunterson ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:30PM

exywJ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Little Brain no Logic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > You have still provided a circular logic
> argument.
> > If there is no damage caused to roads by sedans
> > and trucks, then why should there be a fee at
> all?
> > Instead it should be whatever the total cost of
> > the jurisdiction maintenance due to weather and
> > environment, minus the damage fees charged to
> > freight, divided equally among all car owners,
> or
> > a flat mileage fee.
> >
> > Otherwise, you still disregard that, while a
> > freight truck provides 8000 car loads, that a
> > light truck has 50 car loads. So it only takes
> 160
> > light trucks to equal that freight truck, and
> 8000
> > standard sedans.
> >
> > Can't be both champ
>
>
> I'm the one providing circular arguments? lol
> That's funny.
>
> No, I'm saying that below a certain level any
> difference in impact is IRRELEVANT. Again, using
> your anally derived 50X factor, which you've still
> provided absolutely no basis for, 50X a difference
> of squat still is squat.
>
> You appear to recognize that a very large truck
> has the potential to cause exponentially greater
> damage/wear than simply the difference in weight
> versus another lighter heavy truck. You don't
> want to recognize that the damage/wear decreases
> exponentially as well.
>
> Now, go find something to back up your 50X claim
> at the level of difference in weight between a
> light car and truck.
>
> Simple.

You fuckin noob, its not 50x a difference of squat. Its 50 times more fatigue caused vs the sedan. You fucking douche. The squat part of it only comes when you compare it to large freight trucks you cunt

You are such a pseudointellectual douche. Read one fuckin thing on wiki and think you understand pavement design. Cunt

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Re: Pull the Plug on the Virginia Hybrid Tax: Repeal the $64 tax that will be added to Hybrid owners car taxes
Posted by: If X causes damage unit 1 ()
Date: July 09, 2013 12:33PM

If a sedan causes one damage unit, then another vehicle exerting a shear force on it 2 or 3 times more causes between 2^3 and 3^4 more damage. It is fucking material sciences you douche, you don't need some freight study to teach you that.

2^3 = 8 times and 3^4 = 81 times

Either way, that light truck still causes multiple times more damage to the road than the sedan you cunt. So they shouldn't "pay the same fair share" using your own logic if this is all about pavement damage you cunt faced whore ginger chode

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