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Sterling shooting
Posted by: C MAC ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:31PM

I know we are in Fairfax, but does anyone know what the fuck happened with that kid getting shot to death? How many shots were fired? The kid apparently lived two houses down. Was he that wasted that he walked in someone elses door? Wasnt the front door locked? Something doesnt smell right.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:39PM

Research is your friend, it may prevent you from making an ass out of yourself online.

"Caleb Gordley wanted to go to a party Saturday night. But the 16-year-old was grounded because he hadn’t cleaned his room. So he decided he’d sneak out of his Loudoun County house to be with his friends.

When he left the party at about 2 a.m., Caleb needed to sneak home. His friends dropped him off and helped hoist him through a back window. But Cabeb had been drinking and had gone to the wrong house. The brick homes on his street are similar, and Caleb was two doors down from his own.

The homeowner heard his burglar alarm sound, grabbed his gun and went to investigate. When the two met on the stairs inside the house, the man said he told the teen to leave and fired a warning shot, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation.

Caleb didn’t stop, and the homeowner fired again, striking and killing the teen, the official said."

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Bad timing ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:39PM

He came in through a window, alarm went off, owner finds him going up the stair case toward the bedroom, Owner unloads on him. Case Closed.

I knew a former construction boss who back in the early 80's went into the wrong house drunk, thinking it was his. He ended up passed out on the couch, woke up to a kid yelling to his parents that a strange man was sleeping on the couch. He was lucky that he was not shot.
I sounds crazy, but It's a true story. I feel bad for all that were involved.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: been there ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:45PM

If it is anything like Ashburn it is easy to go into the wrong house.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: C MAC ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:46PM

Thanks for the info. His friends are total dumbasses for hoisting him in the wrong fucking house. All 3 of them were that wasted? Homeowner probably did the right thing but its a damb shame he couldnt have fired a non lethal shot to the leg.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Rocket 69 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:55PM

C MAC Wrote:
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> Thanks for the info. His friends are total
> dumbasses for hoisting him in the wrong fucking
> house. All 3 of them were that wasted? Homeowner
> probably did the right thing but its a damb shame
> he couldnt have fired a non lethal shot to the
> leg.


Jesus, you seem kind of stupid. Why don't you read an article about what happened? The internet is your friend. In case you have trouble finding the Post online, the neighbor fired a warning shot first.
On the other hand, if you're looking for a cheap house, there should be a couple available soon in Ashburn.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:56PM

C MAC Wrote:
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> Homeowner
> probably did the right thing but its a damb shame
> he couldnt have fired a non lethal shot to the
> leg.

You have watched too many TV shows and movies.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Jerome ()
Date: March 18, 2013 09:58PM

Another Trayvon Martin case. White man shooting unarmed black teen. This must stop.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: reality ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:03PM

Same theme as the IHOP kid, Travon Martin, etc.

1. Unsupervised teenager wandering about drunked/stoned/etc long after their irresponsible parents should have called lights out
2. Commits second crime - typically property
3. Encounters sober and armed citizen not willing to look the other way
4. Ignores lawful order by citizen to stop/leave/etc and continues toward armed citizen
5. Citizen shoots - teenager dead

Tragedy could have been avoided by:

1. Not drinking
2. Not wandering around in the dead night
3. Stopping when the alarm went off
4. Stopping when the homeowner confronted him

This kid had lots of chances to avoid this. It's very, very sad, but it's no one's fault but the kids.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:04PM

And if a drunk kid crawls thru my window at 230am and sets off my alarm, youre gonna have Trayvon Martin 3. Why dont these niggers keep their kids at home, none of this would happen?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Mike O ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:06PM

reality Wrote:
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> Same theme as the IHOP kid, Travon Martin, etc.
>
> 1. Unsupervised teenager wandering about
> drunked/stoned/etc long after their irresponsible
> parents should have called lights out
> 2. Commits second crime - typically property
> 3. Encounters sober and armed citizen not willing
> to look the other way
> 4. Ignores lawful order by citizen to
> stop/leave/etc and continues toward armed citizen
> 5. Citizen shoots - teenager dead
>
> Tragedy could have been avoided by:
>
> 1. Not drinking
> 2. Not wandering around in the dead night
> 3. Stopping when the alarm went off
> 4. Stopping when the homeowner confronted him
>
> This kid had lots of chances to avoid this. It's
> very, very sad, but it's no one's fault but the
> kids.


Amen!

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:09PM

It's illegal to drink at age 16, look how well that law worked.

Too bad for the kid and his family, but he was obviously being quite the dumbfuck and paid the ultimate in accountability.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Famous Last Wordz ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:35PM

Just an FYI for anyone interested, there is another thread about this in the off-topic section as well.....Another Trayvon Martin?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: James ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:41PM

The homeowner was on the telephone with the 911 dispatcher. The disptcher told him to stay in a locked room. He disregarded the suggestion, came out armed, and shot the boy.

He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count on it.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:43PM

Youre not in Sanford any more Mr Martin

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Stuff happens ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:57PM

James Wrote:
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> The homeowner was on the telephone with the 911
> dispatcher. The disptcher told him to stay in a
> locked room. He disregarded the suggestion, came
> out armed, and shot the boy.
>
> He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count on it.


Uh, I think we've been through this before.

You don't have to obey a dispatcher's suggestion.

He may be charged with manslaughter as many are in similar unintentional killings but he won't be convicted on the basis that he didn't heed a dispatcher's advice.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:01PM

Seriously doubt any charges will be filed against the homeowner (unless Sharpton and company show up in NOVA)

And here's why: A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine that designates a person's abode (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as a car or place of work) as a place in which the person has certain protections and immunities and may in certain circumstances use force, up to and including deadly force, to defend against an intruder without becoming liable to prosecution.[1] Typically deadly force is considered justified, and a defense of justifiable homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or another".[1] The doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked, but a set of principles which is incorporated in some form in the law of most states.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: sucksbutwhatwouldyoudo ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:12PM

230 am and an intruder in coming up the stairs where the guy and his family sleep. Guy encounters intruder on the stairs. There is no way the homeowner knows the intruders intentions. What if the intruder had bad intentions and shot the homeowner, then continued to walk past the dead corpse and murder the rest of the family. The homewoner eliminated any chance of that from happening.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Youall ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:19PM

Imagine how the poor guy that shot him is feeling.

I wouldn't wish that weight on anybody - I hope he holds up through this traumatitic event.

It must be tuff!

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: bad stuff ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:21PM

sucksbutwhatwouldyoudo Wrote:
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> 230 am and an intruder in coming up the stairs
> where the guy and his family sleep. Guy encounters
> intruder on the stairs. There is no way the
> homeowner knows the intruders intentions. What if
> the intruder had bad intentions and shot the
> homeowner, then continued to walk past the dead
> corpse and murder the rest of the family. The
> homewoner eliminated any chance of that from
> happening.


Agree, It really sucks and is a shitty deal. put yourself in the homeowners situation. I don't know anyone that would have not pulled the trigger. It's a fucked up deal, I feel bad for everyone involved.
I would have shot also and I would have felt like shit finding out why the kid was in my house.
It's just a fucked up situation.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: One Less Maggot ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:24PM

Natural Selection......we are over populated....oh well, "he was a rapper" bwhaha

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Not in VA ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:30PM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
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> Seriously doubt any charges will be filed against
> the homeowner (unless Sharpton and company show up
> in NOVA)
>
> And here's why: A Castle Doctrine (also known as a
> Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an
> American legal doctrine that designates a person's
> abode (or, in some states, any place legally
> occupied, such as a car or place of work) as a
> place in which the person has certain protections
> and immunities and may in certain circumstances
> use force, up to and including deadly force, to
> defend against an intruder without becoming liable
> to prosecution.[1] Typically deadly force is
> considered justified, and a defense of justifiable
> homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor
> reasonably fears imminent peril of death or
> serious bodily harm to himself or another".[1] The
> doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked,
> but a set of principles which is incorporated in
> some form in the law of most states.


Don't think Castle Doctrine specifically applies in VA. As I recall there was a bill proposed last session but it didn't go through for whatever reason.

That said, there are similar general principles which would apply with respect to self defense within one's home.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: 1-maggot ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:31PM

And you sir, are a piece of shit.

The longer you spout out crap the worst things get.

Move to New Mexico and build yourself the underground shelter you have been pinning for.

Asshole!~

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Johnny Chimpo ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:40PM

The castle doctrine does not apply, but the Virginia has strong common law to protect the homeowner. Treyvaon was on the street, not the same thing.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:43PM

This is the VA specific statute....seems pretty clear to me!

§ 18.2-91.1. Use of physical force, including deadly force, against an intruder; justified self-defense.

Any person who lawfully occupies a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when the other person has unlawfully entered the dwelling, having committed an overt act toward the occupant or another person in the dwelling, and the occupant reasonably believes he or another person in the dwelling is in imminent danger of bodily injury.

Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, as provided in this section shall be immune from civil liability for injuries or death of the other person who has unlawfully entered the dwelling that results from the use of such force.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Okidoki ()
Date: March 18, 2013 11:50PM

The legality of it all is not in question.

It is a bad circumstance that caused the situation and the people involved are heartbroken - on both sides.

"Teen coming home drunk" - I bet a lot of you people can relate. :)

For the better of FFXU - realize the enormity of the situation and be good citizens for a change.

Or not...

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Johnny Chimpo ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:01AM

You still have to fear for your life to kill a home invader. Not sure I buy the honest mistake defense.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: No way out ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:32AM

"having committed an overt act toward the occupant or another person in the dwelling, and the occupant reasonably believes he or another person in the dwelling is in imminent danger of bodily injury".

Statute shows exactly what elements are needed ...

He had to have commmited an overt act...So the question is if his failure to stop when warned meets this or did he do something else that isnt in the paper ?

Occupant has to believe he or other is in IMMINENT danger of (not death) but bodily injury...this is where he should have listened to he dispatcher, chances are good he had a duty to retreat, if he had been in the room no retreat available,no problem...

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: shooter profile ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:45AM

Donald West Wilder II---google him.

If true, he is one scary, sick dude.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Not in VA ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:35AM

No way out Wrote:
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> "having committed an overt act toward the occupant
> or another person in the dwelling, and the
> occupant reasonably believes he or another person
> in the dwelling is in imminent danger of bodily
> injury".
>
> Statute shows exactly what elements are needed
> ...
>
> He had to have commmited an overt act...So the
> question is if his failure to stop when warned
> meets this or did he do something else that isnt
> in the paper ?
>
> Occupant has to believe he or other is in IMMINENT
> danger of (not death) but bodily injury...this is
> where he should have listened to he dispatcher,
> chances are good he had a duty to retreat, if he
> had been in the room no retreat available,no
> problem...


Castle Doctrine generally goes beyond the criminal statutes to also extend to the civil side. And it's usually done in a stronger form which specifically prohibits criminal and civil prosecution in such cases. That is, if the situation meets the circumstances for use of deadly force, then there are no further legal questions/charges to answer.

There also is no specific "duty to retreat" in VA as there is in some states.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: sorry but no ()
Date: March 19, 2013 08:15AM

James Wrote:
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> The homeowner was on the telephone with the 911
> dispatcher. The disptcher told him to stay in a
> locked room. He disregarded the suggestion, came
> out armed, and shot the boy.
>
> He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count on it.

I am open to a friendly bet on that one. This is Virginia and a home owners rights are respected. The home owner was under no obligation to follow what amounts to just advice from a 911 operator.

You of course ignored the fact if the guy had locked himself in his bedroom the rest of his family would have been on their own. Do you consider that sound judgement?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Exactly ()
Date: March 19, 2013 08:49AM

sorry but no Wrote:
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> James Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The homeowner was on the telephone with the 911
> > dispatcher. The disptcher told him to stay in
> a
> > locked room. He disregarded the suggestion,
> came
> > out armed, and shot the boy.
> >
> > He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count on
> it.
>
> I am open to a friendly bet on that one. This is
> Virginia and a home owners rights are respected.
> The home owner was under no obligation to follow
> what amounts to just advice from a 911 operator.
>
> You of course ignored the fact if the guy had
> locked himself in his bedroom the rest of his
> family would have been on their own. Do you
> consider that sound judgement?


My bedroom door is on one side of the upstairs and my kids' bedrooms are on the other side of the staircase, separated by a guest room and laundry.

No way would I yell for them to, "Just lock your door," and then pretend they're going to be OK while an unknown number of strangers have invaded my home. No way.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: nostradamus ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:00AM

google the shooter

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: James ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:04AM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
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> Seriously doubt any charges will be filed against
> the homeowner (unless Sharpton and company show up
> in NOVA)
>
> And here's why: A Castle Doctrine (also known as a
> Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an
> American legal doctrine that designates a person's
> abode (or, in some states, any place legally
> occupied, such as a car or place of work) as a
> place in which the person has certain protections
> and immunities and may in certain circumstances
> use force, up to and including deadly force, to
> defend against an intruder without becoming liable
> to prosecution.[1] Typically deadly force is
> considered justified, and a defense of justifiable
> homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor
> reasonably fears imminent peril of death or
> serious bodily harm to himself or another".[1] The
> doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked,
> but a set of principles which is incorporated in
> some form in the law of most states.



Virginia does not have the "Castle Doctrine".

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:09AM

sucksbutwhatwouldyoudo Wrote:
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> 230 am and an intruder in coming up the stairs
> where the guy and his family sleep. Guy encounters
> intruder on the stairs. There is no way the
> homeowner knows the intruders intentions. What if
> the intruder had bad intentions and shot the
> homeowner, then continued to walk past the dead
> corpse and murder the rest of the family. The
> homewoner eliminated any chance of that from
> happening.



+1

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Diehard Lib ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:13AM

The homeowner should've welcomed the thug in to rape his wife and daughter, take all the valuables, and kill the homeowner. That's lib thinking.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:18AM

Exactly Wrote:
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> sorry but no Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > James Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The homeowner was on the telephone with the
> 911
> > > dispatcher. The disptcher told him to stay
> in
> > a
> > > locked room. He disregarded the suggestion,
> > came
> > > out armed, and shot the boy.
> > >
> > > He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count
> on
> > it.
> >
> > I am open to a friendly bet on that one. This
> is
> > Virginia and a home owners rights are
> respected.
> > The home owner was under no obligation to
> follow
> > what amounts to just advice from a 911 operator.
>
> >
> > You of course ignored the fact if the guy had
> > locked himself in his bedroom the rest of his
> > family would have been on their own. Do you
> > consider that sound judgement?
>
>
> My bedroom door is on one side of the upstairs and
> my kids' bedrooms are on the other side of the
> staircase, separated by a guest room and laundry.
>
>
> No way would I yell for them to, "Just lock your
> door," and then pretend they're going to be OK
> while an unknown number of strangers have invaded
> my home. No way.


Homeowner does not have to follow the directions of the 911 operator. What a dispatcher says is not law.

It doesn't matter now if people on the INTERNET say the guy is a pantywearing/pantysniffing, white power gun nut or a monk- this shooter only has to defend himself from the facts of an intruder at 2:30AM. And not one that mistakenly came thru the front door, but one who mistakenly came thru the BACK FUCKING WINDOW.


Too many guns?

Too many drunk kids.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Johnny Chimpo ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:18AM

Lesson 1: Don't enter someone else's house.
Lesson 2: You will get shot, if you do.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: DISHboy ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:25AM

Lesson 3: Ditch cable and get DISH so you have interesting movies to watch instead of going to a dipstick party to get drunk.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:30AM

The more I read about this the more Im thinking this was just a plain old B & E and the whole story about being drunk with his friends is a fabrication.

A burglar got blown away..........oh well, dont be a burglar kids.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: The Gate Keeper ()
Date: March 19, 2013 10:18AM

I kind of find this funny, a drunk "rapper" gets smoked while commiting a crime.....feel good story of the day!!

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: beach man ()
Date: March 19, 2013 10:26AM

the homeowner did nothing wrong. He told the teen he was armed and asked him to leave numerous times. He only shot the teen when the teen was at the bedroom door where his wife and son were hiding

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: blanche ()
Date: March 19, 2013 10:53AM

I understand the kids hopping a fence and going into the wrong house. Even the alarm going off.

But how drunk to you have to be not to sober up real quick when someone gives you a warning shot. "Dad, is that you?"

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Drunk as hell ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:01AM

blanche Wrote:
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> I understand the kids hopping a fence and going
> into the wrong house. Even the alarm going off.
>
> But how drunk to you have to be not to sober up
> real quick when someone gives you a warning shot.
> "Dad, is that you?"

Seriously.

Toxicology report probably comes back with a BAC of 0.20 or higher.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: the dead can't speak ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:04AM

How dumb are you people?

Our shooter friend has told his side of the story. Too bad the dead kid can't tell us what really happened.

Think about it. His friend lifted him into what they thought was his house. Multiple witnesses will verify that. So stop with the burglary crap.

The kid is drunk and disoriented and then someone shouts out to him.

He probably wet his pants he was so scared. He was not a threat--no way. Probably realized he was in the wrong place and tried to get out.

That's when RAMBO (aka pscycho ex boyfriend/husband) pumped bullet (s) into him--probably as he was trying to escape.


Self defense? Yea, right.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:12AM

^ Idiot

The moral to this story is three fold.

(1) If youre 16, you shouldnt be out getting hammered out of your mind at 2am.
(2) Learn which house you live in
(3) Dont break into people's homes

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:18AM

the dead can't speak Wrote:
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> How dumb are you people?
>
> Our shooter friend has told his side of the story.
> Too bad the dead kid can't tell us what really
> happened.
>
> Think about it. His friend lifted him into what
> they thought was his house. Multiple witnesses
> will verify that. So stop with the burglary crap.
>
> The kid is drunk and disoriented and then someone
> shouts out to him.
>
> He probably wet his pants he was so scared. He was
> not a threat--no way. Probably realized he was in
> the wrong place and tried to get out.
>
> That's when RAMBO (aka pscycho ex
> boyfriend/husband) pumped bullet (s) into
> him--probably as he was trying to escape.
>
>
> Self defense? Yea, right.


Yeah dickwad, happens all the time... I can't count on both hands the number of times I crawled thru the window of the wrong house when I was pissfaced.

Could have happened to anyone.


Tragedy it is, neither the shooter or the intruder was PERFECT.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: A Question ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:22AM

Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some non lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: perfection? ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:24AM

> Tragedy it is, neither the shooter or the intruder
> was PERFECT.


DUH. But one is alive and one is dead.


Odds are you won't die in a plane. train or car crash either..and yet it happens every day.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:26AM

A Question Wrote:
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> Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some non
> lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.

Because neither of us were there.

Kid may have thought the homeowner was an intruder in HIS house and bucked?

Shooter may not be a good shot and may have tried?

Shooter may have been waiting all his life for a legal excuse to pop someone?


Leg shots can be fatal. Ask Sean Taylor.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: a better outcome ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:32AM

Christopher Paul Silga was drunk and asleep on a couch cuddling a teddy bear.

The problem? He was in the house of a couple he did not know, and who did not know him.

The Mississippi Press reports that a couple was shocked when they awoke to a drunken man they had never met asleep on their couch, snuggling with a teddy bear.
At this point, it's a toss up between which is more embarrassing... a grown man sleeping with a teddy bear or doing it while passed out on someone else's couch?

According to police, Sigla apparently thought he was at his girlfriend's home, but had in fact walked through the front door of the couple's home and then gone to sleep.

Sigla, 34, was charged with trespassing and driving under the influence (after an attempted getaway).

Reports showed that the homeowners called authorities after asking Silga who he was and then pushing him out of the front door and down the steps.

The couple told authorities that the stranger snoozing on their couch was "very intoxicated" and appeared "spaced out."

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: 214eva ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:37AM

Actually, he was shot in the nuts hitting his femoral artery in the process. Terrible way to go.

WingNut Wrote:
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> A Question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some
> non
> > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.
>
> Because neither of us were there.
>
> Kid may have thought the homeowner was an intruder
> in HIS house and bucked?
>
> Shooter may not be a good shot and may have
> tried?
>
> Shooter may have been waiting all his life for a
> legal excuse to pop someone?
>
>
> Leg shots can be fatal. Ask Sean Taylor.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:37AM

a better outcome Wrote:
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> Christopher Paul Silga was drunk and asleep on a
> couch cuddling a teddy bear.
>
> The problem? He was in the house of a couple he
> did not know, and who did not know him.
>
> The Mississippi Press reports that a couple was
> shocked when they awoke to a drunken man they had
> never met asleep on their couch, snuggling with a
> teddy bear.
> At this point, it's a toss up between which is
> more embarrassing... a grown man sleeping with a
> teddy bear or doing it while passed out on someone
> else's couch?
>
> According to police, Sigla apparently thought he
> was at his girlfriend's home, but had in fact
> walked through the front door of the couple's home
> and then gone to sleep.
>
> Sigla, 34, was charged with trespassing and
> driving under the influence (after an attempted
> getaway).
>
> Reports showed that the homeowners called
> authorities after asking Silga who he was and then
> pushing him out of the front door and down the
> steps.
>
> The couple told authorities that the stranger
> snoozing on their couch was "very intoxicated" and
> appeared "spaced out."


Aww thats so cute....


Apples to bowling ball comparison though.


This intruder was asleep and probably did not come thru a rear window.


idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: nobody died ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:38AM

.......Police: Drunk man fell asleep in wrong NY house
Associated Press – Mon, Jun 11, 2012....

NEWSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Authorities in western New York say a 20-year-old man thought he was sleeping on his friend's couch when state troopers woke him up over the weekend.

It turns out he was off by about 20 miles.

State police say a homeowner in rural Erie County town of Newstead woke up around 4:30 a.m. Saturday and found a stranger sleeping on his couch. He was unable to wake up the stranger, so his wife called 911. When troopers arrived, they found the very intoxicated man still sleeping on the couch.

Troopers say the man told him he thought he was at a friend's house on Grand Island, 20 miles west of Newstead.

The man was charged with criminal trespass and issued an appearance ticket for Newstead Town Court.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: The banana peel theory ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:38AM

You can die silly or with diginty but it will happen.
The teen made a mistake but wrong time and wrong place.
How many mistakes have you made that your life flashed before you?
I lost count years ago.
Everything dies and today might be yours.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:38AM

A Question Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some non
> lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.

Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The first thing you learn in weapons training is aim for a large target i.e. center of body. Im just suprised he only shot him once. Should have emptied the magazine on him.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:46AM

nobody died Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> .......Police: Drunk man fell asleep in wrong NY
> house
> Associated Press – Mon, Jun 11, 2012....
>
> NEWSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Authorities in western New
> York say a 20-year-old man thought he was sleeping
> on his friend's couch when state troopers woke him
> up over the weekend.
>
> It turns out he was off by about 20 miles.
>
> State police say a homeowner in rural Erie County
> town of Newstead woke up around 4:30 a.m. Saturday
> and found a stranger sleeping on his couch. He was
> unable to wake up the stranger, so his wife called
> 911. When troopers arrived, they found the very
> intoxicated man still sleeping on the couch.
>
> Troopers say the man told him he thought he was at
> a friend's house on Grand Island, 20 miles west of
> Newstead.
>
> The man was charged with criminal trespass and
> issued an appearance ticket for Newstead Town
> Court.


The kid in Sterling should have went to sleep on the couch instead of refusing to stop when confronted as the homeowner claims.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Internet Rambo ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:46AM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A Question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some
> non
> > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.
>
> Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The first
> thing you learn in weapons training is aim for a
> large target i.e. center of body. Im just suprised
> he only shot him once. Should have emptied the
> magazine on him.

You are full of shit. You wound before terminating. Not a combat zone.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: a reader ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:47AM

"How dumb are you people?

Our shooter friend has told his side of the story. Too bad the dead kid can't tell us what really happened.

Think about it. His friend lifted him into what they thought was his house. Multiple witnesses will verify that. So stop with the burglary crap.

The kid is drunk and disoriented and then someone shouts out to him.

He probably wet his pants he was so scared. He was not a threat--no way. Probably realized he was in the wrong place and tried to get out.

That's when RAMBO (aka pscycho ex boyfriend/husband) pumped bullet (s) into him--probably as he was trying to escape.


Self defense? Yea, right."

1.Have you seen the pictures in the Post of the BACK of the houses? He went in the back window. The back of the houses are nothing alike-one has a screen porch and one does not. Also, the driveways on the front are on different sides of the house.
2.How do you know that the friends are telling the truth?
3.Maybe there were other people in the house at the time. If I had kids asleep in a bedroom, I would not lock myself in my bedroom if there were an intruder.

There are a lot of unanswered questions. I would not want to be the shooter--nor would I want to be the family that hosted the party where they were drinking.
3.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Interesting Read ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:47AM


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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:49AM

Internet Rambo Wrote:
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> >
> You are full of shit. You wound before
> terminating. Not a combat zone.

Well, I hope you have a nice cemetary plot picked out. That's a sure fire (pun intended) way to get yourself killed by an intruder.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: really, beach whale ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:50AM

beach man Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the homeowner did nothing wrong. He told the teen
> he was armed and asked him to leave numerous
> times. He only shot the teen when the teen was at
> the bedroom door where his wife and son were
> hiding


How the hell do you know his wife and son were hiding anywhere?

So he shoots him while he is standing in front of their bedroom door??

How did he get all the way up the stairs?

I though he was at the bottom of the stairs?

You are an idiot and a liar.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Copier , thanks "reader" ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:52AM

Psycho Profile
« Previous Psycho Next Psycho »
Donald West Wilder II
First Name : Donald West
Last Name : Wilder II
Gender : Male
Age : 46
City : last known area: Sterling
Country : US
Alias 1 : Wes Wilder
Alias 2 : West Wilder
 

Unfortunately, the woman who profiled him on dontdatehimgirl.com did not list his age, so I had to guess an age for him and if I guessed it wrong I hope she sees this to tell us his true age, in case I guessed wrong. He might be years older or younger than what I guessed. I am not sure if this profile is still on DDHG but it was at one point. :

“is a closeted kinky cross-dresser. He’s a volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling Volunteer Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough to pull people from burning buildings. During the course of our relationship, I was forced to engage in the most disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One night, tied me up, blindfolded me, gagged me, attached a dildo to the gag and made me penetrate his anus with my mouth. He would often wear women’s clothes to bed. I fear for the safety of my child. He knowingly potentially exposed a child to BDSM activities with his ex-wife. He also watched his ex-step-daughter shower until she was 9 years old (and he hasn’t seen her since then.) I fear for the welfare of any child he may be around”

OTHER PROFILE:

“My ex, West Wilder (Donald West Wilder II owner of WWC Inc. - West Wilder Consulting Incorporated) is the worst person I have ever dated. Near the end of our relationship, I got pregnant. Once he found out I was pregnant, he began to assault me. After the third assault, I called the Sheriff’s office and filed a report with them. I didn’t press charges as I didn’t think it was in the best interests of my unborn child. The day after he found out about me calling the police, he pressed charges against me and had a restraining order issued against me. In court, he had pictures of cat scratches and said that I left them. He denied hitting me first. He made up a lot of things and now I have a criminal trial pending. Now, he claims to fear for his safety with me. I’m a 5ft4, overweight pregnant girl. He’s a volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling Volunteer Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough to pull people from burning buildings. Also, he owns approximately 10 guns. I own no guns. Also, after the incident, he got coverage at the fire station the next night to take care of my because when he assaulted me he hurt my back. If I was in fear for my safety, I wouldn’t take off from what I was supposed to do to take care of the person I was in fear of. He was also emotionally abusive of his ex-wife and he was emotionally abusive of me for many months (we dated for about a year). He destroyed both her self-esteem and mine. It will take me a long time to get back to where I was before we were together. During the course of our relationship he cheated on me at least once and didn’t say anything until explicitly questioned with the dates and everything. He went out with another woman on my birthday (I was on vacation at the time). I still do not know all the details of what happened. All he admitted to was going out with her and going back to her place and kissing. Of course, I suspect that more happened. WARNING - EXPLICIT CONTENT FOLLOWS. Mr. Wilder is a closeted kinky cross-dresser. During the course of our relationship, I was forced to engage in the most disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One night, tied me up, blindfolded me, gagged me, attached a dildo to the gag and made me penetrate his anus with my mouth. I couldn’t easily object as I was tied up and gagged so I was forced to do it. This is but one example of the things I had to do. I had to call him ‘Ma’am’ during sex and he would often wear women’s clothes to bed. Additionally, in regards to my pregnancy, he refused to pay for any of my pre-natal expenses even though he makes more than $100,000 more per year than I do. I’ve been forced to cover everything myself. His lawyer, while refusing to pay for any pre-natal care and saying “regardless as to the paternity of the child” also says that Mr. Wilder may sue for custody. I fear for the safety of my child. He knowingly potentially exposed a child to BDSM activities with his ex-wife. He also watched his ex-step-daughter shower until she was 9 years old (and he hasn’t seen her since then). I fear for the welfare of any child he may be around. Please, have more respect for yourself than I did. Do NOT date West Wilder”

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Radian ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:55AM

He may be indicted for manslaughter. Count on it.

This is Virginia. There's not going to be any indictment.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:58AM

Copier , thanks "reader" Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Psycho Profile
> « Previous Psycho Next Psycho »
> Donald West Wilder II
> First Name : Donald West
> Last Name : Wilder II
> Gender : Male
> Age : 46
> City : last known area: Sterling
> Country : US
> Alias 1 : Wes Wilder
> Alias 2 : West Wilder
>  
>
> Unfortunately, the woman who profiled him on
> dontdatehimgirl.com did not list his age, so I had
> to guess an age for him and if I guessed it wrong
> I hope she sees this to tell us his true age, in
> case I guessed wrong. He might be years older or
> younger than what I guessed. I am not sure if this
> profile is still on DDHG but it was at one point.
> :
>
> “is a closeted kinky cross-dresser. He’s a
> volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling Volunteer
> Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough to
> pull people from burning buildings. During the
> course of our relationship, I was forced to engage
> in the most disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One
> night, tied me up, blindfolded me, gagged me,
> attached a dildo to the gag and made me penetrate
> his anus with my mouth. He would often wear
> women’s clothes to bed. I fear for the safety of
> my child. He knowingly potentially exposed a child
> to BDSM activities with his ex-wife. He also
> watched his ex-step-daughter shower until she was
> 9 years old (and he hasn’t seen her since then.)
> I fear for the welfare of any child he may be
> around”
>
> OTHER PROFILE:
>
> “My ex, West Wilder (Donald West Wilder II owner
> of WWC Inc. - West Wilder Consulting Incorporated)
> is the worst person I have ever dated. Near the
> end of our relationship, I got pregnant. Once he
> found out I was pregnant, he began to assault me.
> After the third assault, I called the Sheriff’s
> office and filed a report with them. I didn’t
> press charges as I didn’t think it was in the
> best interests of my unborn child. The day after
> he found out about me calling the police, he
> pressed charges against me and had a restraining
> order issued against me. In court, he had pictures
> of cat scratches and said that I left them. He
> denied hitting me first. He made up a lot of
> things and now I have a criminal trial pending.
> Now, he claims to fear for his safety with me.
> I’m a 5ft4, overweight pregnant girl. He’s a
> volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling Volunteer
> Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough to
> pull people from burning buildings. Also, he owns
> approximately 10 guns. I own no guns. Also, after
> the incident, he got coverage at the fire station
> the next night to take care of my because when he
> assaulted me he hurt my back. If I was in fear for
> my safety, I wouldn’t take off from what I was
> supposed to do to take care of the person I was in
> fear of. He was also emotionally abusive of his
> ex-wife and he was emotionally abusive of me for
> many months (we dated for about a year). He
> destroyed both her self-esteem and mine. It will
> take me a long time to get back to where I was
> before we were together. During the course of our
> relationship he cheated on me at least once and
> didn’t say anything until explicitly questioned
> with the dates and everything. He went out with
> another woman on my birthday (I was on vacation at
> the time). I still do not know all the details of
> what happened. All he admitted to was going out
> with her and going back to her place and kissing.
> Of course, I suspect that more happened. WARNING -
> EXPLICIT CONTENT FOLLOWS. Mr. Wilder is a closeted
> kinky cross-dresser. During the course of our
> relationship, I was forced to engage in the most
> disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One night, tied me
> up, blindfolded me, gagged me, attached a dildo to
> the gag and made me penetrate his anus with my
> mouth. I couldn’t easily object as I was tied up
> and gagged so I was forced to do it. This is but
> one example of the things I had to do. I had to
> call him ‘Ma’am’ during sex and he would
> often wear women’s clothes to bed. Additionally,
> in regards to my pregnancy, he refused to pay for
> any of my pre-natal expenses even though he makes
> more than $100,000 more per year than I do. I’ve
> been forced to cover everything myself. His
> lawyer, while refusing to pay for any pre-natal
> care and saying “regardless as to the paternity
> of the child” also says that Mr. Wilder may sue
> for custody. I fear for the safety of my child. He
> knowingly potentially exposed a child to BDSM
> activities with his ex-wife. He also watched his
> ex-step-daughter shower until she was 9 years old
> (and he hasn’t seen her since then). I fear for
> the welfare of any child he may be around. Please,
> have more respect for yourself than I did. Do NOT
> date West Wilder”
>
>

On the internet so it must be true right? Especially from a source called datingpsychos.com. Please use your head

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 19, 2013 11:58AM

@blowtorch,a reader +1

@internet - grow up. It's not fucking Television, OK?



If kid thought he was in his house, is drunk, I can see him fucking up and making a move that would make Harry Homeowner start a-blastin'.

I'm betting that dude is shook up all nine ways to Sunday right now having just mistakenly killed the kid next door and everything.............so does anybody know EXACTLY what was said between the kid and the dude? Cause that's gonna be the tell-tale to if Harry did anythign criminal or not.


but it's doubtful. seems like just a f**ked up sitch all around :(

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: This isn't NCIS ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:03PM

Internet Rambo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blowtorch999 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A Question Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or some
> > non
> > > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.
> >
> > Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The first
> > thing you learn in weapons training is aim for
> a
> > large target i.e. center of body. Im just
> suprised
> > he only shot him once. Should have emptied the
> > magazine on him.
>
> You are full of shit. You wound before
> terminating. Not a combat zone.

Spoken like someone with absolutely zero firearms experience. Shooting to wound is a bunch of ignorant hollywood-manufactured BS.

You ALWAYS aim for "center of mass" (the chest). Every single police academy and firearms instructor in the country will tell you that. Not doing so might get YOU killed.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: best advice ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:16PM

No guns in my house, too many kids around but a nutty frind who is a huge gunlover always gave the same advice.

If you have to shoot someone in your house, if you shoot them in the back then flip them over and fire a few into their chest.

I bet Rambo thought long and hard about "his story" befor the popo arrived.

He's no dummy.

He went by the textbook, didn't he?

Threatened, frightened, protecting his family, kid wouldn't respond, made a menacing move.

Did I leave anything out?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Batter up ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:20PM

This isn't NCIS Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Internet Rambo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Blowtorch999 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A Question Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or
> some
> > > non
> > > > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.
> > >
> > > Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The
> first
> > > thing you learn in weapons training is aim
> for
> > a
> > > large target i.e. center of body. Im just
> > suprised
> > > he only shot him once. Should have emptied
> the
> > > magazine on him.
> >
> > You are full of shit. You wound before
> > terminating. Not a combat zone.
>
> Spoken like someone with absolutely zero firearms
> experience. Shooting to wound is a bunch of
> ignorant hollywood-manufactured BS.
>
> You ALWAYS aim for "center of mass" (the chest).
> Every single police academy and firearms
> instructor in the country will tell you that. Not
> doing so might get YOU killed.

What's NCIS? Personally I have found that the Louisville slugger works best. Used one years ago to inconvenience to burglers. Ruined their night and the next three years of their life. Will never forget the sound when the bat hits the bone. A bat against a .38 and two dumbasses in one inning. Only one lamp broken when dumbass 2 fell. I just finished reparing and painting the room so didn't feel like shooting them.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: crime scene reconstruction ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:25PM

Batter up Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This isn't NCIS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Internet Rambo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Blowtorch999 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > A Question Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg or
> > some
> > > > non
> > > > > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill him.
> > > >
> > > > Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The
> > first
> > > > thing you learn in weapons training is aim
> > for
> > > a
> > > > large target i.e. center of body. Im just
> > > suprised
> > > > he only shot him once. Should have emptied
> > the
> > > > magazine on him.
> > >
> > > You are full of shit. You wound before
> > > terminating. Not a combat zone.
> >
> > Spoken like someone with absolutely zero
> firearms
> > experience. Shooting to wound is a bunch of
> > ignorant hollywood-manufactured BS.
> >
> > You ALWAYS aim for "center of mass" (the chest).
>
> > Every single police academy and firearms
> > instructor in the country will tell you that.
> Not
> > doing so might get YOU killed.
>
> What's NCIS? Personally I have found that the
> Louisville slugger works best. Used one years ago
> to inconvenience to burglers. Ruined their night
> and the next three years of their life. Will never
> forget the sound when the bat hits the bone. A bat
> against a .38 and two dumbasses in one inning.
> Only one lamp broken when dumbass 2 fell. I just
> finished reparing and painting the room so didn't
> feel like shooting them.


If you are being truthful, which you are obviously not, hitting someone hard enough with a bat to hear it hit bone would break skin and cause blood spatter which would be the same result as shooting him.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: lol whut 007 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:27PM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> On the internet so it must be true right?
> Especially from a source called datingpsychos.com.
> Please use your head

I'm absolutely sure his ex would be truthful on the interwebz.

Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they had a sober designated driver to get him home, right?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Not a victim, just a dumbass ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:33PM

lol whut 007 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they had a
> sober designated driver to get him home, right?

I sure hope that somewhere between all the vigils and grief counseling the school is driving home the point that the real reason the kid is dead is alcohol and poor decisions.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: responsible gun owners only ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:35PM

If your life is in danger, you have a right for self defense. If you hear an intruder in your home, or breaking in, yell out that you have a gun and to freeze. If they run out of the door, do not follow them. If however, they threaten you, or come closer, even when you have told them you have a gun, you have a right to defend yourself



So, you shouldn't chase after them if they are retreating.....huh?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Go Senators ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:38PM

crime scene reconstruction Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Batter up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This isn't NCIS Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Internet Rambo Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Blowtorch999 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > A Question Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Why not just shoot the guy in the leg
> or
> > > some
> > > > > non
> > > > > > lethal spot? He didn't need to kill
> him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just like on TV right? Youre a moron. The
> > > first
> > > > > thing you learn in weapons training is
> aim
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > large target i.e. center of body. Im just
> > > > suprised
> > > > > he only shot him once. Should have
> emptied
> > > the
> > > > > magazine on him.
> > > >
> > > > You are full of shit. You wound before
> > > > terminating. Not a combat zone.
> > >
> > > Spoken like someone with absolutely zero
> > firearms
> > > experience. Shooting to wound is a bunch of
> > > ignorant hollywood-manufactured BS.
> > >
> > > You ALWAYS aim for "center of mass" (the
> chest).
> >
> > > Every single police academy and firearms
> > > instructor in the country will tell you that.
>
> > Not
> > > doing so might get YOU killed.
> >
> > What's NCIS? Personally I have found that the
> > Louisville slugger works best. Used one years
> ago
> > to inconvenience to burglers. Ruined their
> night
> > and the next three years of their life. Will
> never
> > forget the sound when the bat hits the bone. A
> bat
> > against a .38 and two dumbasses in one inning.
> > Only one lamp broken when dumbass 2 fell. I
> just
> > finished reparing and painting the room so
> didn't
> > feel like shooting them.
>
>
> If you are being truthful, which you are obviously
> not, hitting someone hard enough with a bat to
> hear it hit bone would break skin and cause blood
> spatter which would be the same result as shooting
> him.


No holes in the wall. Only pistol I have ever owned is a Remington M1911 and the rounds were .45acp hardballs. Sparse furniture after renovation but who cares.
There was some blood and few broken teeth.
I was tired of shooting people.
"Live in peace or in pieces "

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: no details please-just fear ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:39PM

If the danger has passed, (the intruder may not be alone) put the gun away in a secure place, unloaded. The officers that respond to your call may want to retrieve the weapon for evidence. The worst thing you can do is approach the police holding a gun. When the police arrive, simply tell them you you fired your gun out of fear for your life. Do NOT provide any additional details, just say "I shot out of fear for my life." Once you get the story straight with your attorney, then and ONLY then do you want to give the police details.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: lol whut 007 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:49PM

Not a victim, just a dumbass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> lol whut 007 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they had
> a
> > sober designated driver to get him home, right?
>
> I sure hope that somewhere between all the vigils
> and grief counseling the school is driving home
> the point that the real reason the kid is dead is
> alcohol and poor decisions.

^^^This, +1

His friends need to think long and hard about their actions that night.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Same dumbazz again ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:49PM

Go Senators Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No holes in the wall. Only pistol I have ever
> owned is a Remington M1911 and the rounds were
> .45acp hardballs. Sparse furniture after
> renovation but who cares.
> There was some blood and few broken teeth.
> I was tired of shooting people.
> "Live in peace or in pieces "


STFU idiot.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Libby Libtard ()
Date: March 19, 2013 12:57PM

Not a victim, just a dumbass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> lol whut 007 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they had
> a
> > sober designated driver to get him home, right?
>
> I sure hope that somewhere between all the vigils
> and grief counseling the school is driving home
> the point that the real reason the kid is dead is
> alcohol and poor decisions.


NO! WTF? You want someone to talk about substance abuse and personal responsibility at a time when some WHITE GUN NUT used a HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT CLIP to MURDER some poor innocent BLACK kid?

This is about EVIL GUNS! PERIOD!

Oh, and race. Damn white people are always shooting these poor kids.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Ralph Pootawn ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:02PM

Libby Libtard Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not a victim, just a dumbass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > lol whut 007 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they
> had
> > a
> > > sober designated driver to get him home,
> right?
> >
> > I sure hope that somewhere between all the
> vigils
> > and grief counseling the school is driving home
> > the point that the real reason the kid is dead
> is
> > alcohol and poor decisions.
>
>
> NO! WTF? You want someone to talk about
> substance abuse and personal responsibility at a
> time when some WHITE GUN NUT used a HIGH CAPACITY
> ASSAULT CLIP to MURDER some poor innocent BLACK
> kid?
>
> This is about EVIL GUNS! PERIOD!
>
> Oh, and race. Damn white people are always
> shooting these poor kids.
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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: I do wonder ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:14PM

Would Rambo have shot this kid if he were white?

Fair question.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: I don't wonder ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:17PM

I do wonder Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Would Rambo have shot this kid if he were white?
>
> Fair question.


Yes.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:27PM

hold on..................wait a minute here.

you telling me Harry Homeowner has a Roscoe but dont lock his windows? o_0

anybody have knowledge on if this was a true "break-in" or what?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: ex-Lester ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:30PM

There are a lot of people in this story with regrets.

1. Homeowner who shot the kid.
2. Friends who slid him thru the window of the wrong house.
3. Parents who grounded him but didn't go out and pick him up.
4. Friends who are getting drunk too young (probably some younger than CG at the party).

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:31PM

you forgot 5. whoever own's that house that the party was at



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2013 01:32PM by Gordon Blvd.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: gun carrying cross dresser? ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:39PM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Copier , thanks "reader" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Psycho Profile
> > « Previous Psycho Next Psycho »
> > Donald West Wilder II
> > First Name : Donald West
> > Last Name : Wilder II
> > Gender : Male
> > Age : 46
> > City : last known area: Sterling
> > Country : US
> > Alias 1 : Wes Wilder
> > Alias 2 : West Wilder
> >  
> >
> > Unfortunately, the woman who profiled him on
> > dontdatehimgirl.com did not list his age, so I
> had
> > to guess an age for him and if I guessed it
> wrong
> > I hope she sees this to tell us his true age,
> in
> > case I guessed wrong. He might be years older
> or
> > younger than what I guessed. I am not sure if
> this
> > profile is still on DDHG but it was at one
> point.
> > :
> >
> > “is a closeted kinky cross-dresser. He’s a
> > volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling
> Volunteer
> > Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough
> to
> > pull people from burning buildings. During the
> > course of our relationship, I was forced to
> engage
> > in the most disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One
> > night, tied me up, blindfolded me, gagged me,
> > attached a dildo to the gag and made me
> penetrate
> > his anus with my mouth. He would often wear
> > women’s clothes to bed. I fear for the safety
> of
> > my child. He knowingly potentially exposed a
> child
> > to BDSM activities with his ex-wife. He also
> > watched his ex-step-daughter shower until she
> was
> > 9 years old (and he hasn’t seen her since
> then.)
> > I fear for the welfare of any child he may be
> > around”
> >
> > OTHER PROFILE:
> >
> > “My ex, West Wilder (Donald West Wilder II
> owner
> > of WWC Inc. - West Wilder Consulting
> Incorporated)
> > is the worst person I have ever dated. Near the
> > end of our relationship, I got pregnant. Once
> he
> > found out I was pregnant, he began to assault
> me.
> > After the third assault, I called the
> Sheriff’s
> > office and filed a report with them. I didn’t
> > press charges as I didn’t think it was in the
> > best interests of my unborn child. The day
> after
> > he found out about me calling the police, he
> > pressed charges against me and had a
> restraining
> > order issued against me. In court, he had
> pictures
> > of cat scratches and said that I left them. He
> > denied hitting me first. He made up a lot of
> > things and now I have a criminal trial pending.
> > Now, he claims to fear for his safety with me.
> > I’m a 5ft4, overweight pregnant girl. He’s
> a
> > volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling
> Volunteer
> > Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough
> to
> > pull people from burning buildings. Also, he
> owns
> > approximately 10 guns. I own no guns. Also,
> after
> > the incident, he got coverage at the fire
> station
> > the next night to take care of my because when
> he
> > assaulted me he hurt my back. If I was in fear
> for
> > my safety, I wouldn’t take off from what I
> was
> > supposed to do to take care of the person I was
> in
> > fear of. He was also emotionally abusive of his
> > ex-wife and he was emotionally abusive of me
> for
> > many months (we dated for about a year). He
> > destroyed both her self-esteem and mine. It
> will
> > take me a long time to get back to where I was
> > before we were together. During the course of
> our
> > relationship he cheated on me at least once and
> > didn’t say anything until explicitly
> questioned
> > with the dates and everything. He went out with
> > another woman on my birthday (I was on vacation
> at
> > the time). I still do not know all the details
> of
> > what happened. All he admitted to was going out
> > with her and going back to her place and
> kissing.
> > Of course, I suspect that more happened. WARNING
> -
> > EXPLICIT CONTENT FOLLOWS. Mr. Wilder is a
> closeted
> > kinky cross-dresser. During the course of our
> > relationship, I was forced to engage in the
> most
> > disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One night, tied
> me
> > up, blindfolded me, gagged me, attached a dildo
> to
> > the gag and made me penetrate his anus with my
> > mouth. I couldn’t easily object as I was tied
> up
> > and gagged so I was forced to do it. This is
> but
> > one example of the things I had to do. I had to
> > call him ‘Ma’am’ during sex and he would
> > often wear women’s clothes to bed.
> Additionally,
> > in regards to my pregnancy, he refused to pay
> for
> > any of my pre-natal expenses even though he
> makes
> > more than $100,000 more per year than I do.
> I’ve
> > been forced to cover everything myself. His
> > lawyer, while refusing to pay for any pre-natal
> > care and saying “regardless as to the
> paternity
> > of the child” also says that Mr. Wilder may
> sue
> > for custody. I fear for the safety of my child.
> He
> > knowingly potentially exposed a child to BDSM
> > activities with his ex-wife. He also watched
> his
> > ex-step-daughter shower until she was 9 years
> old
> > (and he hasn’t seen her since then). I fear
> for
> > the welfare of any child he may be around.
> Please,
> > have more respect for yourself than I did. Do
> NOT
> > date West Wilder”
> >
> >
>
> On the internet so it must be true right?
> Especially from a source called datingpsychos.com.
> Please use your head

Maybe not true but why was the guys window unlocked and he was armed?
There is probably more to this story than a cross dressing weirdo. Where was the wife and kid? Any kid who was drunk would scare off when the alarm went off. Was the kid down the steps or up the steps?
This could get real interesting for the conspiracy theorists.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Not enough info ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:44PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> hold on..................wait a minute here.
>
> you telling me Harry Homeowner has a Roscoe but
> dont lock his windows? o_0
>
> anybody have knowledge on if this was a true
> "break-in" or what?

The Wash Post article said that his friends helped "hoist" him through a back window. Implying that the window wasn't easily accessible from the ground.

Maybe the homeowner didn't think he needed to lock a window that wasn't on the ground floor? Need more info.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:52PM

gun carrying cross dresser? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> > This could get real interesting for the conspiracy
> theorists.

It certainly will because the liberal anti gun juggernaut and media will try to place blame with everyone and everything and ANYTHING they can other than the stupid dead kid.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Frenchy ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:08PM

Blowtorch999 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Copier , thanks "reader" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Psycho Profile
> > « Previous Psycho Next Psycho »
> > Donald West Wilder II
> > First Name : Donald West
> > Last Name : Wilder II
> > Gender : Male
> > Age : 46
> > City : last known area: Sterling
> > Country : US
> > Alias 1 : Wes Wilder
> > Alias 2 : West Wilder
> >  
> >
> > Unfortunately, the woman who profiled him on
> > dontdatehimgirl.com did not list his age, so I
> had
> > to guess an age for him and if I guessed it
> wrong
> > I hope she sees this to tell us his true age,
> in
> > case I guessed wrong. He might be years older
> or
> > younger than what I guessed. I am not sure if
> this
> > profile is still on DDHG but it was at one
> point.
> > :
> >
> > “is a closeted kinky cross-dresser. He’s a
> > volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling
> Volunteer
> > Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough
> to
> > pull people from burning buildings. During the
> > course of our relationship, I was forced to
> engage
> > in the most disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One
> > night, tied me up, blindfolded me, gagged me,
> > attached a dildo to the gag and made me
> penetrate
> > his anus with my mouth. He would often wear
> > women’s clothes to bed. I fear for the safety
> of
> > my child. He knowingly potentially exposed a
> child
> > to BDSM activities with his ex-wife. He also
> > watched his ex-step-daughter shower until she
> was
> > 9 years old (and he hasn’t seen her since
> then.)
> > I fear for the welfare of any child he may be
> > around”
> >
> > OTHER PROFILE:
> >
> > “My ex, West Wilder (Donald West Wilder II
> owner
> > of WWC Inc. - West Wilder Consulting
> Incorporated)
> > is the worst person I have ever dated. Near the
> > end of our relationship, I got pregnant. Once
> he
> > found out I was pregnant, he began to assault
> me.
> > After the third assault, I called the
> Sheriff’s
> > office and filed a report with them. I didn’t
> > press charges as I didn’t think it was in the
> > best interests of my unborn child. The day
> after
> > he found out about me calling the police, he
> > pressed charges against me and had a
> restraining
> > order issued against me. In court, he had
> pictures
> > of cat scratches and said that I left them. He
> > denied hitting me first. He made up a lot of
> > things and now I have a criminal trial pending.
> > Now, he claims to fear for his safety with me.
> > I’m a 5ft4, overweight pregnant girl. He’s
> a
> > volunteer fire fighter with the Sterling
> Volunteer
> > Fire Department, so he has to be strong enough
> to
> > pull people from burning buildings. Also, he
> owns
> > approximately 10 guns. I own no guns. Also,
> after
> > the incident, he got coverage at the fire
> station
> > the next night to take care of my because when
> he
> > assaulted me he hurt my back. If I was in fear
> for
> > my safety, I wouldn’t take off from what I
> was
> > supposed to do to take care of the person I was
> in
> > fear of. He was also emotionally abusive of his
> > ex-wife and he was emotionally abusive of me
> for
> > many months (we dated for about a year). He
> > destroyed both her self-esteem and mine. It
> will
> > take me a long time to get back to where I was
> > before we were together. During the course of
> our
> > relationship he cheated on me at least once and
> > didn’t say anything until explicitly
> questioned
> > with the dates and everything. He went out with
> > another woman on my birthday (I was on vacation
> at
> > the time). I still do not know all the details
> of
> > what happened. All he admitted to was going out
> > with her and going back to her place and
> kissing.
> > Of course, I suspect that more happened. WARNING
> -
> > EXPLICIT CONTENT FOLLOWS. Mr. Wilder is a
> closeted
> > kinky cross-dresser. During the course of our
> > relationship, I was forced to engage in the
> most
> > disgusting (IMO) sexual acts. One night, tied
> me
> > up, blindfolded me, gagged me, attached a dildo
> to
> > the gag and made me penetrate his anus with my
> > mouth. I couldn’t easily object as I was tied
> up
> > and gagged so I was forced to do it. This is
> but
> > one example of the things I had to do. I had to
> > call him ‘Ma’am’ during sex and he would
> > often wear women’s clothes to bed.
> Additionally,
> > in regards to my pregnancy, he refused to pay
> for
> > any of my pre-natal expenses even though he
> makes
> > more than $100,000 more per year than I do.
> I’ve
> > been forced to cover everything myself. His
> > lawyer, while refusing to pay for any pre-natal
> > care and saying “regardless as to the
> paternity
> > of the child” also says that Mr. Wilder may
> sue
> > for custody. I fear for the safety of my child.
> He
> > knowingly potentially exposed a child to BDSM
> > activities with his ex-wife. He also watched
> his
> > ex-step-daughter shower until she was 9 years
> old
> > (and he hasn’t seen her since then). I fear
> for
> > the welfare of any child he may be around.
> Please,
> > have more respect for yourself than I did. Do
> NOT
> > date West Wilder”
> >
> >
>
> On the internet so it must be true right?
> Especially from a source called datingpsychos.com.
> Please use your head


I'm dating a French model.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:21PM

Being a crossdressing weirdo isn't against the law, in fact they are being protected from discrimination.

Cross dressing weirdos should have the right to protect themselves.

Right now the only thng that could change my mind is if the daughter knew Caleb and invited him in for some reason.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: ScratchingMyHead ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:23PM

Libby Libtard Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not a victim, just a dumbass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > lol whut 007 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they
> had
> > a
> > > sober designated driver to get him home,
> right?
> >
> > I sure hope that somewhere between all the
> vigils
> > and grief counseling the school is driving home
> > the point that the real reason the kid is dead
> is
> > alcohol and poor decisions.
>
>
> NO! WTF? You want someone to talk about
> substance abuse and personal responsibility at a
> time when some WHITE GUN NUT used a HIGH CAPACITY
> ASSAULT CLIP to MURDER some poor innocent BLACK
> kid?
>
> This is about EVIL GUNS! PERIOD!
>
> Oh, and race. Damn white people are always
> shooting these poor kids.

WTF is a "HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT CLIP"? I haven't seen any reports that disclose the type of firearm other than it was a handgun.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Libocrites ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:45PM

WingNut Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Being a crossdressing weirdo isn't against the
> law, in fact they are being protected from
> discrimination.
>
> Cross dressing weirdos should have the right to
> protect themselves.
>


I thought the libtards liked cross-dressing weirdos?

If it came out that he-she was transgendered then they'd be falling all over themselves trying to defend the guy... err girl... whatever.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: *sigh* ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:46PM

ScratchingMyHead Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Libby Libtard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not a victim, just a dumbass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > lol whut 007 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > >
> > > > Gotta blame Caleb's friends for this, they
> > had
> > > a
> > > > sober designated driver to get him home,
> > right?
> > >
> > > I sure hope that somewhere between all the
> > vigils
> > > and grief counseling the school is driving
> home
> > > the point that the real reason the kid is
> dead
> > is
> > > alcohol and poor decisions.
> >
> >
> > NO! WTF? You want someone to talk about
> > substance abuse and personal responsibility at
> a
> > time when some WHITE GUN NUT used a HIGH
> CAPACITY
> > ASSAULT CLIP to MURDER some poor innocent BLACK
> > kid?
> >
> > This is about EVIL GUNS! PERIOD!
> >
> > Oh, and race. Damn white people are always
> > shooting these poor kids.
>
> WTF is a "HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT CLIP"? I haven't
> seen any reports that disclose the type of firearm
> other than it was a handgun.


*sigh*

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: VA sucks ()
Date: March 19, 2013 02:57PM

I think VA keeps police reports away from public disclosure---which sucks and ia anti-American btw!

How about the 911 call?

When will they release that or will they?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: question for gun nuts ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:10PM

Didn't I read that the shooter fired a warning shot?

If so, where would one shoot a warning shot in a house?

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Outstanding citizen of Fairfax ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:10PM

Cross-Dressing gun wielding(yielding) chicken-shit pissing in his panties is scared of a 16 year old drunk black kid?
Future president of the NRA.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Ralph Pootawn ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:12PM

Outstanding citizen of Fairfax Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cross-Dressing gun wielding(yielding) chicken-shit
> pissing in his panties is scared of a 16 year old
> drunk black kid?
> Future president of the NRA.


uh huh. What would you have done, laughed at him and tried to escort him out the front door calling him silly?

so dumb

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: repeal it now ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:12PM

Outstanding citizen of Fairfax Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cross-Dressing gun wielding(yielding) chicken-shit
> pissing in his panties is scared of a 16 year old
> drunk black kid?
> Future president of the NRA.


+1. It is time to repeal the Second Amendment.

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:13PM

Whne you have a chance take a look at the crime stats for the killings and shootings in DC and Chicago. The majortiy of the perps (and victims) are black teenagers. If you arent afraid, youre crazy!

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: NOW is the time ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:20PM

repeal it now Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Outstanding citizen of Fairfax Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cross-Dressing gun wielding(yielding)
> chicken-shit
> > pissing in his panties is scared of a 16 year
> old
> > drunk black kid?
> > Future president of the NRA.
>
>
> +1. It is time to repeal the Second Amendment.

^This

Get behind this people! This is the only guarenteed way to stop the NRA and their lunacy.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Repeal-the-Second-Amendment/371249309570118

http://americamagazine.org/issue/repeal-second-amendment

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/repeal-the-second/Content?oid=2795918

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Re: Sterling shooting
Posted by: think about it ()
Date: March 19, 2013 03:32PM

If my alarm system went off in the middle of the night and my key pad showed an open window downstairs I would be scared as shit. Sorry but this kid had it coming to him.

You have every right to defend yourself when someone breaks into your home.

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