in reality...... Wrote:
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> county teacher 682 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > county employee Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The meals tax will generate over 40 million
> in
> > > revenue mostly from non county residents. It
> is
> > a
> > > great way to raise much needed funds!
> >
> >
> > Everyone is voting yes and well they should!
>
> .....If approved by voters, the meals tax is
> estimated to generate approximately $99 million in
> the first year - with 28 percent of that amount
> coming from non-county residents such as commuters
> and tourists
>
> Fairfax County’s most vulnerable residents are
> exactly those people who need the revenue from the
> Meals Tax. Low to middle income families rely on
> public services, such as public health, public
> safety, libraries and schools.
>
> Vote YES!

Vote yes, so FCPS can throw money at people like this guy?

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant-menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-grand-jury/

How did hiring him help ANY county resident? He's just one of many. If fCPS stopped wasting money, there would be plenty of money for public healt, public safety, libraries and schools.

Incidentally, there are NO plans to increase library funding even if the meals tax passes.

While it is somewhat true that a $20 meal will amount to a higher percentage of someone’s overall income if he makes $30,000 than if he makes $100,000. That’s just math. The same is true of the property tax, which is one reason why Fairfax County needs a new revenue source! But it is not true that the majority of meals tax revenue would come from low income residents.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the highest income group spends, on average, more on food away from home than the combined total spent by households in the lower three income groups.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Udvar Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Meals tax = more value Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to
> > be
> > > approved.
> >
> >
> > Based on the polls it is looking like the meals
> > tax will be approved. This is great news for
> our
> > county!
>
> Care to share those polls or are they the ones
> that you pulled out of the deep dark recesses of
> your backside.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQE7dQZ-as

Udvar Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Udvar Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Meals tax = more value Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The meals tax is a great idea and it needs
> to
> > > be
> > > > approved.
> > >
> > >
> > > Based on the polls it is looking like the
> meals
> > > tax will be approved. This is great news for
> > our
> > > county!
> >
> > Care to share those polls or are they the ones
> > that you pulled out of the deep dark recesses
> of
> > your backside.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQE7dQZ-as


He has some good points there.

Listen to Pat Herrity.

"I have been opposed to the meals tax from the start, but what has concerned me most over the last several months has been the tactics used to try to convince our residents to vote for it and the county’s failure to deal with its spending problems. I would like to offer some clarity on these points and why I am against the meals tax.

The proponents of the meals tax insist the tax is for teachers’ salaries and tax relief. In fact, the ballot language referencing schools and tax relief was selected because it was the language that passed in other counties in Virginia and according to one supervisor “we need to use the language that will get it passed.” In reality, the Board of Supervisors will decide in April during the budget process how much funding goes to schools and then the School Board will decide how much funding goes to teacher raises and class size reductions. Despite the Board of Supervisors fully funding the School Board’s funding request last year, the funds were not focused on fixing our teacher salary issues."

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2016/oct/21/column-no-meals-tax/

"I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS School Board) too much money they're going to start doing some goofy things, instead of just educating kids. I'm really very anxious about giving the School Board more money sometimes - you're going to see political correctness run amok; so I'm going to vote against the Meals Tax this time."

Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016

Tom Davis has gone senile.
.
Attachments:

FCPS hired this guy:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant-menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-grand-jury/

Even Nardos King admitted he was not worth the money. Unless and until FCPS learns to control spending, there is no need for the meals tax-any new funds will just be wasted.

To date, NO ONE has been able to justify Menville "Flip" Flippen's hiring. Why was King allowed to do it?

Flippen was investigated by a California grand jury. They found few of those attending his sessions could recall what he said, and it seems his "advice" was only taken once.

At FCPS, Flippen is just the tip of the iceberg. At six figures (one district even paid him $10,000 for a one hour speech), the money adds up real fast!

XEChY Wrote:
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> Tom Davis has gone senile.

A senile Tom Davis would still be an improvement over some of our local, state or even national politicians.

someone PLEASE justify this Wrote:
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> FCPS hired this guy:
>
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
> 016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant
> -menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-
> grand-jury/
>
> Even Nardos King admitted he was not worth the
> money. Unless and until FCPS learns to control
> spending, there is no need for the meals tax-any
> new funds will just be wasted.
>
> To date, NO ONE has been able to justify Menville
> "Flip" Flippen's hiring. Why was King allowed to
> do it?
>
> Flippen was investigated by a California grand
> jury. They found few of those attending his
> sessions could recall what he said, and it seems
> his "advice" was only taken once.
>
> At FCPS, Flippen is just the tip of the iceberg.
> At six figures (one district even paid him $10,000
> for a one hour speech), the money adds up real
> fast!


If the meals tax is approved he will be worth every penny.

county mountie Wrote:
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> someone PLEASE justify this Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS hired this guy:
> >
> >
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
>
> >
> 016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant
>
> >
> -menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-
>
> > grand-jury/
> >
> > Even Nardos King admitted he was not worth the
> > money. Unless and until FCPS learns to control
> > spending, there is no need for the meals
> tax-any
> > new funds will just be wasted.
> >
> > To date, NO ONE has been able to justify
> Menville
> > "Flip" Flippen's hiring. Why was King allowed
> to
> > do it?
> >
> > Flippen was investigated by a California grand
> > jury. They found few of those attending his
> > sessions could recall what he said, and it
> seems
> > his "advice" was only taken once.
> >
> > At FCPS, Flippen is just the tip of the
> iceberg.
> > At six figures (one district even paid him
> $10,000
> > for a one hour speech), the money adds up real
> > fast!
>
>
> If the meals tax is approved he will be worth
> every penny.

Can you explain how hiring "Flip" Flippen is worth anything at all?

http://flippengroup.com/education/capturing-kids-hearts-1/

Flippen is like boosterthon turbo charged.

shell answer man Wrote:
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> http://flippengroup.com/education/capturing-kids-h
> earts-1/
>
> Flippen is like boosterthon turbo charged.

So, Flippen is just turbocharged trash (which is what Boosterthon is)? It would be nice if someone had to stand up and justify the value realized from each FCPS contract.

Flippen was investigated by a California grand jury-their findings are not at all favorable to Flippen:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant-menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-grand-jury/

Vote NO on the meals tax!

still not good enough Wrote:
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> shell answer man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://flippengroup.com/education/capturing-kids-h
>
> > earts-1/
> >
> > Flippen is like boosterthon turbo charged.
>
> So, Flippen is just turbocharged trash (which is
> what Boosterthon is)? It would be nice if someone
> had to stand up and justify the value realized
> from each FCPS contract.
>
> Flippen was investigated by a California grand
> jury-their findings are not at all favorable to
> Flippen:
>
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
> 016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant
> -menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-
> grand-jury/
>
> Vote NO on the meals tax!


Flippen was never charged let alone convicted of anything. If this tax is approved it will be because of him and that would be very good for the citizens of Fairfax county (even those citizens that are too stupid to vote for the tax).

yes voter Wrote:
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> While it is somewhat true that a $20 meal will
> amount to a higher percentage of someone’s
> overall income if he makes $30,000 than if he
> makes $100,000. That’s just math. The same is
> true of the property tax, which is one reason why
> Fairfax County needs a new revenue source! But it
> is not true that the majority of meals tax revenue
> would come from low income residents.
> According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics,
> the highest income group spends, on average, more
> on food away from home than the combined total
> spent by households in the lower three income
> groups.


Bunch of red herring bs.

Nobody said that the majority of the tax would come from lower income residents. The point is that it is a regressive tax which has greater effect on those at lower income levels regardless how high you want to take that. You now concede that is the case. Property taxes are not regressive in the same way. The magnitude of the difference in food consumption is not nearly the difference in property values on a dollar basis (i.e., the difference in food comsumption is not nearly $100,000's of dollars as property values easily are). There is a break point at which the equation works to the advantage of either side depending on property value/income/consumption and you might argue what that exact point may be but generally a meals tax greatly favors those at the higher end to the disadvantage of those more toward the lower end.

None of which has much of anything to do with 'needing a new revenue source' which you knuckleheads continually parrot with no basis beyond that it sounds good.

The meals tax also greatly favors businesses and commercial property owners, developers, and real estate-related businesses (about 1/3 of the county total book) since they avoid an equivalent ~$0.04/$100 increase to real estate taxes which they would pay otherwise. Which does have a lot to do with why the BOS wants to 'diversify revenue sources' by benefiting its primary patrons to the disadvantage of residents.

Udvar Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Udvar Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Meals tax = more value Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The meals tax is a great idea and it needs
> to
> > > be
> > > > approved.
> > >
> > >
> > > Based on the polls it is looking like the
> meals
> > > tax will be approved. This is great news for
> > our
> > > county!
> >
> > Care to share those polls or are they the ones
> > that you pulled out of the deep dark recesses
> of
> > your backside.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQE7dQZ-as


That vid explains a lot.

Look high-look low…you will not find clearly articulated plans for property tax relief!

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-to-fail-to-plan-is-to-plan-to-fail-where-is-the-tax-relief/

Vote NO on the meals tax!

NO PROPERTY TAX RELIEF Wrote:
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> Look high-look low…you will not find clearly
> articulated plans for property tax relief!
>
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
> 016/10/23/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-to-fail-to-plan
> -is-to-plan-to-fail-where-is-the-tax-relief/
>
> Vote NO on the meals tax!


You are missing the whole point. You are an ignorant fuck.

county employee Wrote:
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> NO PROPERTY TAX RELIEF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look high-look low…you will not find clearly
> > articulated plans for property tax relief!
> >
> >
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
>
> >
> 016/10/23/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-to-fail-to-plan
>
> > -is-to-plan-to-fail-where-is-the-tax-relief/
> >
> > Vote NO on the meals tax!
>
>
> You are missing the whole point. You are an
> ignorant fuck.


The whole point being to pay me more regardless whether there's any justification or productive return.

A former Chairman of the Board of Supervisors (well informed) says this;

"I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS School Board) too much money they're going to start doing some goofy things, instead of just educating kids. I'm really very anxious about giving the School Board more money sometimes - you're going to see political correctness run amok; so I'm going to vote against the Meals Tax this time."

Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016

I wonder what the Board members think of this - hah!

in reality...... Wrote:
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> county teacher 682 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > county employee Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The meals tax will generate over 40 million
> in
> > > revenue mostly from non county residents. It
> is
> > a
> > > great way to raise much needed funds!
> >
> >
> > Everyone is voting yes and well they should!
>
> .....If approved by voters, the meals tax is
> estimated to generate approximately $99 million in
> the first year - with 28 percent of that amount
> coming from non-county residents such as commuters
> and tourists
>
> Fairfax County’s most vulnerable residents are
> exactly those people who need the revenue from the
> Meals Tax. Low to middle income families rely on
> public services, such as public health, public
> safety, libraries and schools.
>
> Vote YES!

Please do not misrepresent the facts! It is insulting! The money is already spoken for by both the BOS and the School Board. The School Board is going to use the money for take home computers, teacher's pay, text books and a few spare coins that they find in the sofa will be thrown towards preschool and classroom assessments. The BOS has already programmed money for fire fighting that is now paid with grants, police protection and early diversion programmed that is in process. For those people that are holding out hopes for niche luxury items you are simply out of luck! More importantly, it will give both Boards the luxury to waste funds because there will be more to throw around for their favorite pet projects.

Tom Davis Wrote:
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> "I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS School
> Board) too much money they're going to start doing
> some goofy things, instead of just educating kids.
> I'm really very anxious about giving the School
> Board more money sometimes - you're going to see
> political correctness run amok; so I'm going to
> vote against the Meals Tax this time."
>
> Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016


The man knows his stuff because he was on the advisory board and his point is valid. Giving more money to the School Board is like handing a crack pipe to a love boat addict.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Tom Davis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS
> School
> > Board) too much money they're going to start
> doing
> > some goofy things, instead of just educating
> kids.
> > I'm really very anxious about giving the School
> > Board more money sometimes - you're going to
> see
> > political correctness run amok; so I'm going to
> > vote against the Meals Tax this time."
> >
> > Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016
>
>
> The man knows his stuff because he was on the
> advisory board and his point is valid. Giving
> more money to the School Board is like handing a
> crack pipe to a love boat addict.


Sorry but you are completely wrong. Vote Yes!

'H' - Tom was Chairman of the County Board of Supervisors the last time a Meals Tax was put to a vote and he was the Co-Chairman of the Advisory Board constituted by Chairwoman Bulova to look at the current Meals Tax. There is no one who knows more about the Meals Tax than this guy!

And he says - "I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS School Board) too much money they're going to start doing some goofy things, instead of just educating> kids. I'm really very anxious about giving the School Board more money sometimes - you're going to see political correctness run amok; so I'm going to vote against the Meals Tax this time." Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016

Where do you get your information?

the County’s meals tax would not apply in the towns of Clifton, Herndon or Vienna.

So now everyone drives to eat in these towns, correct>

FreddieC Wrote:
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> the County’s meals tax would not apply in the
> towns of Clifton, Herndon or Vienna.
>
> So now everyone drives to eat in these towns,
> correct>


No, they already have a meals tax. So what they are pulling in now should be deducted from the county's estimate. Which they didn't bother to do.

If you are against the meals tax you should kill yourself now. Thank you.

Priceless Wrote:
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> A former Chairman of the Board of Supervisors
> (well informed) says this;
>
> "I'm afraid if you give these folks (FCPS School
> Board) too much money they're going to start doing
> some goofy things, instead of just educating kids.
> I'm really very anxious about giving the School
> Board more money sometimes - you're going to see
> political correctness run amok; so I'm going to
> vote against the Meals Tax this time."
>
> Tom Davis on WMAL Sept 30, 2016
>
> I wonder what the Board members think of this -
> hah!

They're already squandering money.

Vote NO.

Piss off an Asshole...

Vote no.

The meals tax makes perfect sense. I am voting yes.

Only Assholes... vote yes.

Don't be an Asshole...

Taxes piss off rightards so that is reason enough to vote yes.

Vote yes for a regressive tax that subsidizes the rich and corporations.

Please vote yes to continue funding our largesse after I leave.

Supt Garza.

We are still using smart boards that run on windows vista. How can we be expected to teach with equipment from 2009? We need the money from the meals tax desperately! Please vote YES for the good of the children.

I hardly eat out at restaurants so I don't give a shit what is done with the meals tax. I don't give to the economy. just keep my money to myself. cheaper to buy your food at the grocery store than go out.

I will pay an additional $800 in real estate taxes next year for my 1970s era house with formica countertops.
I have already voted and I voted no to the meals tax.
Again.
I will continue to vote no to the meals tax.
I will vote no every time they offer it up.
I like the way it makes me feel.

teaching for our future Wrote:
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> We are still using smart boards that run on
> windows vista. How can we be expected to teach
> with equipment from 2009? We need the money from
> the meals tax desperately! Please vote YES for the
> good of the children.

Please explain how awarding five and six figure consulting contracts to charlatans such as Menvlle "Flip" Flippen and Eric Jensen contributes to the good of the children.

Unless and until FCPS can learn to control its spending, it should not receive any more money. Vote NO on the meals tax.

teaching for our future Wrote:
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> We are still using smart boards that run on
> windows vista. How can we be expected to teach
> with equipment from 2009? We need the money from
> the meals tax desperately! Please vote YES for the
> good of the children.


We are paying around $15,000 per student per year. That is well above the national average and even the state average. The problem isn't that we are not paying enough. The problem is that we are not using what we are paying wisely.

would you like some cheese to go with that whine...

teaching for our future Wrote:
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> We are still using smart boards that run on
> windows vista. How can we be expected to teach
> with equipment from 2009? We need the money from
> the meals tax desperately! Please vote YES for the
> good of the children.

this must be satire - what happened to a chalk board? If "tech" makes you so productive then why do you need MORE MONEY? "...desperately..."

the "good of the children" is to teach them discipline, diligence and the ability to spot and avoid STUPIDITY!

whine Wrote:
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> would you like some cheese to go with that
> whine...
>
> teaching for our future Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We are still using smart boards that run on
> > windows vista. How can we be expected to teach
> > with equipment from 2009? We need the money
> from
> > the meals tax desperately! Please vote YES for
> the
> > good of the children.
>
> this must be satire - what happened to a chalk
> board? If "tech" makes you so productive then why
> do you need MORE MONEY? "...desperately..."
>
> the "good of the children" is to teach them
> discipline, diligence and the ability to spot and
> avoid STUPIDITY!

FCPS thinks playing Eric Jensen's discredited "emotional keyboard" and taping Flippen's "social contracts" to the walls is good for the children. FCPS has no clue of how to do anything except waste money.

What effect would the meals tax have on an average resident at a 4.0% tax rate?
On a $5 “fast food” meal, tax would be 20 cents.
On a $50 meal at a “nice restaurant,” tax would be $2.00.

Your child's education, your child's future .... it it worth 20 cents?????????

Tax Dodger Cheapskates Wrote:
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> What effect would the meals tax have on an average
> resident at a 4.0% tax rate?
> On a $5 “fast food” meal, tax would be 20
> cents.
> On a $50 meal at a “nice restaurant,” tax
> would be $2.00.
>
> Your child's education, your child's future
> .... it it worth 20 cents?????????

Eric Jensen's useless emotional keyboard, $9,000/day?

A Menville "Flip" Flippen speech, $10,000/hour?

What on earth do these have to do with a child's education and future?

STATE Sales tax = tax revenue that is collected, sent to Richmond and distributed statewide.

COUNTY Meals tax = tax revenue that remains in Fairfax County.

What part of this DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

Tax Dodger Cheapskates Wrote:
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> Your child's education, your child's future
> .... it it worth 20 cents?????????

Cut the crap. This isn't about 20 cents. It's about $160 per year per Fairfax household on top of over $6,000 in other taxes and fees already being paid each year by the typical Fairfax County household.

Alexander Hamilton Wrote:
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> STATE Sales tax = tax revenue that is
> collected, sent to Richmond and distributed
> statewide.
>
> COUNTY Meals tax = tax revenue that
> remains in Fairfax County.
>
> What part of this DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

What part of throwing 6 figures at Menville "Flip" Flippen do you not understand?

What part of FCPS $80,000/month travel expenses do you not understand?

What part of choosing turf fields over science books do you not understand?

Vote NO on the meals tax!

Alexander Hamilton Wrote:
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> STATE Sales tax = tax revenue that is
> collected, sent to Richmond and distributed
> statewide.
>
> COUNTY Meals tax = tax revenue that
> remains in Fairfax County.
>
> What part of this DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

Incorrect. The local portion of the sales tax paid on items purchased in Fairfax County stores and restaurants is paid over to Fairfax County.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

The overwhelming majority (72%) of the Virginia state sales tax is sent to Richmond.

The general sales tax rate for Virginia is 5.3 percent (4.3 percent state tax and 1 percent local tax). There is an additional 0.7 percent state tax imposed in the localities that make up Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads, making the rate in these areas 6 percent (5 percent state tax and 1 percent local tax).

Take from the poor and give to the rich.

Vote yes on the meals tax!

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Don't want to pay the MEALS TAX...don't eat out. IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX

You bozos probably spend more $160 annually on:

Bud Lite

cigarettes

stupid movies

Redskins game-day snacks

more booze

overpriced polo shirts

more Bud Lite

Harry Homeowner Wrote:
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> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
>
> Don't want to pay the MEALS TAX...don't eat out.
> IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX
>
> You bozos probably spend more $160 annually on:
>
> Bud Lite
>
> cigarettes
>
> stupid movies
>
> Redskins game-day snacks
>
> more booze
>
> overpriced polo shirts
>
> more Bud Lite


^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

If you can't afford your real estate taxes... move or buy a condo. IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX

Thanks. Now you understand. NIMBY-pamby panty-waist. Pull up your bloomers and pay the tax. Or get the hell out of Dodge...and go back to marrying your cousin.

Alexander Hardaxx Wrote:
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> Thanks. Now you understand. NIMBY-pamby
> panty-waist. Pull up your bloomers and pay the
> tax. Or get the hell out of Dodge...and go back
> to marrying your cousin.


I pay my taxes and can easily cover a 4 cent increase. I don't want to pay your taxes or those of businesses.

If you can't afford a 4 cent increase to your real estate assessment, then move into something or somewhere you can better manage. IT'S A VOLUNTARY TAX

House-Poor Homeowner Wrote:
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> Harry Homeowner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> If you can't afford your real estate taxes... move
> or buy a condo. IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX


I can afford it, though it will cut into my NOI. I have no control of that. I can choose how many times I want to eat out.

^ ^ ^ ^

Eat crow as you swallow the tax. Don't choke on that tough-as-leather steak at Morton's.

MFR Landlord Wrote:
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> House-Poor Homeowner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Harry Homeowner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > If you can't afford your real estate taxes...
> move
> > or buy a condo. IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX
>
>
> I can afford it, though it will cut into my NOI. I
> have no control of that. I can choose how many
> times I want to eat out.


You can choose where you live and in what.

You shouldn't have bought more house than you can afford the taxes on.

Sell it and move. Maybe you'll be able to afford to go out more then.

Financial stress affects health Wrote:
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> MFR Landlord Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > House-Poor Homeowner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Harry Homeowner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > If you can't afford your real estate taxes...
> > move
> > > or buy a condo. IT IS A VOLUNTARY TAX
> >
> >
> > I can afford it, though it will cut into my NOI.
> I
> > have no control of that. I can choose how many
> > times I want to eat out.
>
>
> You can choose where you live and in what.
>

True, I don't live in Fairfax County so an increase does not affect my primary home where I live.

> You shouldn't have bought more house than you can
> afford the taxes on.
>
> Sell it and move. Maybe you'll be able to afford
> to go out more then.

I clearly said I can afford it, but I will have a lower NOI so a meals tax is more beneficial for someone like myself. Read it slower this time.

You people want high QOL and low TAX.

What part of this disconnect do you misunderstand?

Meals tax: (CURRENT JURISDICTIONS)

Alexandria
Fairfax City
Arlington
Town of Herndon
Town of Vienna
Washington DC

There is no free lunch. Pay the tax. Preserve QOL.

George W. Bush Wrote:
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> You people want high QOL and low TAX.
>
> What part of this disconnect do you
> misunderstand?
>
> Meals tax: (CURRENT JURISDICTIONS)
>
> Alexandria
> Fairfax City
> Arlington
> Town of Herndon
> Town of Vienna
> Washington DC
>
> There is no free lunch. Pay the tax. Preserve
> QOL.

How do Eric Jensen, Menville "Flip" Flippen, turf fields, $80,000/month in travel, Gatehouse, instructional coaches, school spirit, student government and an auditor on unexplained PAID leave contribute to QOL?

Please, do tell.

George W. Bush Wrote:
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> Meals tax: (CURRENT JURISDICTIONS)
>
> Alexandria-Did not have to submit it to voters for approval
> Fairfax City-Did not have to submit it to voters for approval
> Arlington-Did not have to submit it to voters for approval
> Town of Herndon-Did not have to submit it to voters for approval
> Town of Vienna-Did not have to submit it to voters for approval
> Washington DC-Meals tax is in lieu of sales tax of the same rate.

NO MEALS TAX (Current Jurisdictions)

Montgomery MD
Prince George's MD
Loudoun-rejected by voters
Prince William-rejected by voters
Fairfax County-rejected by voters
Town of Clifton
Majority of Virginia jurisdictions voting on meals tax last ten years

not so fast, Chimpboy Wrote:
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> George W. Bush Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You people want high QOL and low TAX.
> >
> > What part of this disconnect do you
> > misunderstand?
> >
> > Meals tax: (CURRENT JURISDICTIONS)
> >
> > Alexandria
> > Fairfax City
> > Arlington
> > Town of Herndon
> > Town of Vienna
> > Washington DC
> >
> > There is no free lunch. Pay the tax. Preserve
> > QOL.
>
> How do Eric Jensen, Menville "Flip" Flippen, turf
> fields, $80,000/month in travel, Gatehouse,
> instructional coaches, school spirit, student
> government and an auditor on unexplained PAID
> leave contribute to QOL?
>
> Please, do tell.

I'd add the school board raise to that list, the only QOL increased was that of school board members.

MFR Landlord Wrote:
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> Financial stress affects health Wrote:
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> > MFR Landlord Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > House-Poor Homeowner Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Harry Homeowner Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you can't afford your real estate
> taxes...
> > > move
> > > > or buy a condo. IT IS A VOLUNTARY
> TAX
> > >
> > >
> > > I can afford it, though it will cut into my
> NOI.
> > I
> > > have no control of that. I can choose how
> many
> > > times I want to eat out.
> >
> >
> > You can choose where you live and in what.
> >
>
> True, I don't live in Fairfax County so an
> increase does not affect my primary home where I
> live.
>
> > You shouldn't have bought more house than you
> can
> > afford the taxes on.
> >
> > Sell it and move. Maybe you'll be able to
> afford
> > to go out more then.
>
> I clearly said I can afford it, but I will have a
> lower NOI so a meals tax is more beneficial for
> someone like myself. Read it slower this time.



So in other words, YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY yet you're trying to convince residents to vote for a meals tax on themselves in order to benefit you by avoid an increase in real estate taxes?

You make the case for me idiot. lmao

Incongruent comparisons. Property taxes and state income taxes are higher in Maryland.

The Town of Vienna levies a 3.0% meals tax and the Town of Herndon imposes the meals tax at 2.5%.

Other Northern Virginia localities that tax meals are: Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax City, Falls Church, Manassas, and Manassas Park. Each of these jurisdictions levies the meals tax at 4.0%.

All 39 cities in the State of Virginia levy the meal tax.

In addition, 47 counties and 104 of the reporting towns in Virginia have adopted a meals tax.

The fact that Prince William and Loudoun do not have a meals tax has no bearing. If anything, supports the referendum.

Facts R Us Wrote:
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> Incongruent comparisons. Property taxes and state
> income taxes are higher in Maryland.
>
> The Town of Vienna levies a 3.0% meals tax and the
> Town of Herndon imposes the meals tax at 2.5%.
>
> Other Northern Virginia localities that tax meals
> are: Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax City, Falls
> Church, Manassas, and Manassas Park. Each of these
> jurisdictions levies the meals tax at 4.0%.
>
> All 39 cities in the State of Virginia levy the
> meal tax.
>
> In addition, 47 counties and 104 of the reporting
> towns in Virginia have adopted a meals tax.
>
> The fact that Prince William and Loudoun do not
> have a meals tax has no bearing. If anything,
> supports the referendum.


No, actually it doesn't.

If I thought it would go to the teachers and the students I would support it, but I have worked for FCPS and have no faith in the money going where it should. Plus this tax is much wider than most folks know.....ALL prepared food - yes, the roasted chicken, muffins, panini that you buy at Giant, besides restaurant foods!
It's a no vote from me.

Help subsidize my real estate taxes.

Vote yes on the meals tax!

Think of the children, vote YES!

MFR Landlord Wrote:
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> Think of my children who I won't pay meals tax to feed while you will yours, vote YES!

^ FIFY

Wait... Let me guess... In addition to wanting Fairfax County residents to subsidize your real estate taxes, you also use that as your residence address to send your kids to Fairfax schools. lol

HkkUb Wrote:
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> Facts R Us Wrote:
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> > The fact that Prince William and Loudoun do not
> > have a meals tax has no bearing. If anything,
> > supports the referendum.
>
>
> No, actually it doesn't.

It has been his habit to dismiss facts that don't support his position. At least he is consistent, and it is understandable because the facts seldom support his position.

Fact-The Fairfax County meals tax isn't going to be imposed in lieu of existing taxes and tax rates. It is going to be imposed in addition to existing taxes and tax rates.

Fact-No Northern Virginia jurisdiction which has been required in recent years to obtain voter authorization to impose a meals tax has a meals tax.

Fact-In recent years voters have rejected the meals tax in most Virginia jurisdictions where authorization to impose it was sought.

Fact-Arlington, Alexandria and the City of Fairfax have real property tax rates below Fairfax County's. If the meals tax passes Fairfax County will have a higher real estate tax rate than each of these jurisdictions on top of a meals tax comparable to these jurisdictions.

Fact-Increasing residential real property values are already providing Fairfax County government with increasing revenues. If Fairfax County needs to raise additional revenues, it can raise them by increasing the real property tax rate, and certain other existing taxes.

Fact-Fairfax County will get no meals tax revenue from prepared meals sales in the towns of Herndon, Vienna and Clifton. Fairfax County does get revenue from real property located in these jurisdictions. Raising the base real estate tax rate would mean citizens of these jurisdictions would share in the burden as well as the benefits of the additional revenues. Imposing a meals tax would not.

Fact-If the County needed to raise $100M in additional revenue. a substantial portion of Fairfax County homeowners and most of those who rent residences here would be better off if we raised that revenue by raising real estate tax rates rather than by imposing a meals tax.

Or they could try cutting the budget and living within their means. Just a thought.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> HkkUb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts R Us Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > The fact that Prince William and Loudoun do
> not
> > > have a meals tax has no bearing. If
> anything,
> > > supports the referendum.
> >
> >
> > No, actually it doesn't.
>
> It has been his habit to dismiss facts that don't
> support his position. At least he is consistent,
> and it is understandable because the facts seldom
> support his position...
>
> Fact-Arlington, Alexandria and the City of Fairfax
> have real property tax rates below Fairfax
> County's. If the meals tax passes Fairfax County
> will have a higher real estate tax rate than each
> of these jurisdictions on top of a meals tax
> comparable to these jurisdictions.


Arlington actually reduced its rate this year.

Lee District Supervisor Jeff McKay reminds us that a significant driver of the budget pressures when it comes to school funding is the Commonwealth's "outdated funding formula that primarily only measures wealth with no cost of living consideration in deciding how much money each school system in the state should receive" in aid. While FCPS supporters plea year-after-year for change, the General Assembly just isn't responsive. Our children can't wait. We must pass this meals tax now!

oh no!
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VOTE NO!

First, the proposed new tax is 4% on top of the existing 6% sales tax for a total of a 10% tax on every meal in the County.

This would be an additional $100 million in new taxes after the Democratic controlled Board of Supervisors raised our real estate taxes by $100 million, a 6% increase, already this year.

Second, 70% of the new meals tax money is to go for schools because Fairfax County Public Schools need to be "more competitive" in teacher compensation. Yet, last year FCPS filled about 1,000 teaching positions where over 15,000 teachers applied for those positions. Those teachers thought the compensation was very competitive.

Did you also know that retired Fairfax County employees are eligible for two pensions, rather than just one, until a retiree is old enough to receive Social Security benefits? This second pension is virtually unheard of anywhere else in government or the private sector.

No neu taxes Wrote:
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> VOTE NO!
>
> First, the proposed new tax is 4% on top of the
> existing 6% sales tax for a total of a 10% tax on
> every meal in the County.
>
> This would be an additional $100 million in new
> taxes after the Democratic controlled Board of
> Supervisors raised our real estate taxes by $100
> million, a 6% increase, already this year.
>
> Second, 70% of the new meals tax money is to go
> for schools because Fairfax County Public Schools
> need to be "more competitive" in teacher
> compensation. Yet, last year FCPS filled about
> 1,000 teaching positions where over 15,000
> teachers applied for those positions. Those
> teachers thought the compensation was very
> competitive.
>
> Did you also know that retired Fairfax County
> employees are eligible for two pensions, rather
> than just one, until a retiree is old enough to
> receive Social Security benefits? This second
> pension is virtually unheard of anywhere else in
> government or the private sector.


Blah blah blah, just more bullshit from an ignorant fuck.
Vote YES.

george snorewell Wrote:
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> Lee District Supervisor Jeff McKay reminds us that
> a significant driver of the budget pressures when
> it comes to school funding is the Commonwealth's
> "outdated funding formula that primarily only
> measures wealth with no cost of living
> consideration in deciding how much money each
> school system in the state should receive" in aid.
> While FCPS supporters plea year-after-year for
> change, the General Assembly just isn't
> responsive. Our children can't wait. We must pass
> this meals tax now!


Guess who else is not responsive to the voters. The School Board, however, they were responsive to their need for a pay raise of EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT! What was your last pay increase? If you were a Federal employee or retiree and had most of your hand removed in an accident you would be able to stick up that single remaining finger to indicate that you got a one percent increase last year!



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Posted by: bs patrol ()
Date: October 27, 2016 08:01AM
Blah blah blah, just more bullshit from an ignorant fuck.

Another example of the aggressive, tendentious, fact-free, ad-hominem attacks that mimic Trump...

Do you find it convincing? Vote NO.

I used to work in Fairfax city and my tips were better with the meals tax. It is a very good idea. Please everyone vote yes yes yes!

And the ones voting against the meals tax are the same ones who don't tip at all or leave some 5% insult on the table.

waitress3 Wrote:
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> I'm a bullshitting meals tax proponent who has to make
> up shit like this because I have no real argument
> otherwise.


^ FIFY

"Wait staff in full-service restaurants will likely be the most severely affected by the proposed meals tax increase. These employees’ primary source of income are tips. The gratuity on meals is immediately reduced by customers when a locale imposes or increases a meals tax. As noted in Restaurant Association of Metropolitan Washington’s case study, these employees will often lose 20 percent of their wages because of the tax. Much of the $90 million tax increase will ultimately be paid by waitresses and waiters in reduced wages.

In addition to the three groups most affected by the meals tax, restaurant revenue will also suffer. Restaurants often absorb the increased cost of a meals tax in price reductions. This is designed to prevent losing business as a result of the tax increase. A decrease in restaurant revenue most often yields a reduced rate of growth in restaurant sales.

Restaurant Association of Metropolitan Washington members have reported a reduction of staffing of approximately 17% in existing restaurants that have a meals tax imposed."


Vote no.

From the Fairfax Connection Letters:
Fairfax County — On Nov. 8, Fairfax County voters have an opportunity to cast a powerful vote for themselves, and for better government by voting “no” on the proposed Meals Tax. A “no” vote will send a message to the county Board of Supervisors that higher taxes should not be routine, and that county leaders must focus on better management, and more importantly, the School Board, more efficiency, and greater respect for taxpayers.

The ballot language for the meals tax referendum was carefully worded to avoid guarantees for how the money will be spent, while pro-tax forces want voters to believe it will be used for teacher pay raises and property tax relief.

In fact, there are no guarantees for this at all. To remedy this glaring political error, a public relations campaign has been launched, partially at taxpayer expense, by teacher unions and some on the county board, to try to convince voters that the board’s intentions are to use the new revenue for teacher pay hikes even though no such requirement exists.

Voters shouldn’t buy the argument, and they shouldn’t approve the new tax.

A closer look at school spending shows that the intentions of the School Board are to delve into more political correctness and social engineering. One example, is their recent release of an RFP to identify a community convener to “study” and bring about the name change of Jeb Stuart High School, despite the fact that the Stuart-area population and students oppose the change.

There are a number of problems with a new tax on prepared foods and meals, but most troubling is the very regressive nature of this proposed new tax. The tax would be imposed on all meals at restaurants and carry-out, in addition to prepared food sold at convenience stores, food trucks, etc. — meals that are necessities, not luxuries, for many working men and women, and busy families. The new tax would also be levied on all ready-to- eat foods including a long list of items such as deli foods and grocery store rotisserie chickens.

While there are many other problems with the proposed tax, it’s also troubling because it confirms an unhealthy focus by county leaders on higher taxes and more revenue as opposed to better management.

Earlier this year, county leaders passed a $100 million increase in property taxes — also presumably to fund education. Now, they’re back in front of voters asking for another $100 million in the form of the Meals Tax.

Easy money makes for bad management. In 1992, as board chair, I supported a meals tax. The county budget was in terrible shape coming off a real estate depression that saw our commercial tax base collapse. Voters rejected the tax, we took the opportunity to reorganize our budget from top to bottom and two years later were named the Best Financially Managed County in America. The budget problems today are nothing of that magnitude. And with no guarantees as to how the money will be spent, plus the current School Board’s spending proclivities. I am voting no.

It’s important that voters reject this, join me in voting “no” on the Meals Tax.

Tom Davis is former U.S. representative and past chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors.

I'm conservative and generally for smaller government, but user taxes are better than blasting home owners. While the meals tax and the gas tax are regressive and hurt lower income people most, they generate tax revenues from a much larger population. There are lots of people in Fairfax that use our schools and roads that pay no taxes, except the existing 6% sales tax.

derp
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7mn49 Wrote:
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> I'm conservative and generally for smaller
> government, but user taxes are better than
> blasting home owners.

These tax and spend politicos will do both. If I thought for a minute it would result in some relief for homeowners I'd at least consider the tax. Knowing they will both blast homeowners as well as waste the meal tax revenue, it is a NO vote.

VOTE YES. SAVE OUR SCHOOLS

NIMBY-pamby panty-waists do not care about our children. If you really care about your meal tab, pass on that third piece of cheesecake you fat slob!

I voted no, but unfortunately that won't starve the budget beast that FCPS has become.

7mn49 Wrote:
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> I'm conservative and generally for smaller
> government, but user taxes are better than
> blasting home owners.

I am a Liberal Democrat. After carefully reviewing the information I must conclude that IF we need to increase taxes beyond what rising real property values produce, the typical Fairfax County homeonwer would be better off if we increased the real estate tax rather than impose a new meals tax.

As a homeowner, I would rather pay a meals tax than increased property taxes.

The meal tax is a user tax and affects a broader base of population and, despite what is being advocated, is not regressive.

The meal tax on a Mickey D's Happy Meal is about 12 cents.

The meal tax on dinner for two at Capital Grille is about 12 dollars. This customer won't even notice after his or her 3rd $20 Bombay Sapphire Mortini.

HCdJu Wrote:
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>
> I am a Liberal Democrat. After carefully
> reviewing the information I must conclude that IF
> we need to increase taxes beyond what rising real
> property values produce, the typical Fairfax
> County homeonwer would be better off if we
> increased the real estate tax rather than impose a
> new meals tax.

We want to do both. Save our schools' (fraud waste and abuse)

Fairfax BOS and the FCPS Board

Cucks for Clinton Wrote:
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> Or they could try cutting the budget and living
> within their means. Just a thought.

That is a novel concept.

There is no way I am going to vote for the Meal Tax. Even Tyson Corner, the 10th largest business district in the county could help fund some of the FPCS mess. The builders and land owners could easily be charged slightly more in taxes and they will not move out it droves.

The problem, FCPS is a $1.4 Billion company run by a bunch of pie in the sky "educators". We need business and financial people running FCPS. You cannot tell me there is no way to trim even $50 Million from the FCPS budget without directly impacting each and every kid.

Let me start just with the stupid Laptop "Extended Maintenance Agreements". For every laptop for staff, teachers or students, another $300 or so is paid for Extended Maintenance. Just buy more laptops that can be swapped out internally and deal with the problem internally. Come on, even if you bought 5% additional machines, you should be far cheaper off than the stupid money wasted paying Dell and other office machine providers!

There are PLENTY of areas where smart ideas could be implemented and costs could be cut. Transportation, Facilities, Energy, Technology, Bloated Management.

People, wages and pensions are killing FCPS, this needs to be addressed as well.

Plenty of room to clean up without impacting the kids in the classroom.

It ain't $1.4 Billion - IT'S $2.6 BILLION!

There is all kinds of room for cuts - start with full day pre-K, early start, consultants, psychologists, social workers, special curriculums and on, and on...

waitress3 Wrote:
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> I used to work in Fairfax city and my tips were
> better with the meals tax. It is a very good idea.
> Please everyone vote yes yes yes!


Everyone on my street is voting yes. I think the meals tax will be approved this time.

pMtbw Wrote:
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> Let me start just with the stupid Laptop "Extended
> Maintenance Agreements". For every laptop for
> staff, teachers or students, another $300 or so is
> paid for Extended Maintenance.

One of the richest counties in the country and we now have 5 more laptops in the house thanks to my kids being in the Chantilly pyramid. We already have 4, 2 desktops, 3 tablets, a Smart TV and 6 smartphones but I'll take the free laptops since it's less wear and tear on the ones I own!

And BTW, already absentee voted "no" on Meals.

It's important to keep in mind that education costs nothing, it pays and pays and pays. Without education there is nothing. Vote yes.

in school Wrote:
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> It's important to keep in mind that education
> costs nothing, it pays and pays and pays. Without
> education there is nothing. Vote yes.

How do:

1) Menville "Flip" Flippen
2) Tara Brach
3) Turf fields
4) Gatehouse administrators
5) Instructional coaches
6) Eric Jensen
7) The Buck Institute

etc.

contribute to education?

Vote yes to piss off conservatards. Reason enough right there.

Vote NO for meals tax = Pay 100% of tax increases next year

Vote YES for meals tax = County residents pay only 72% of tax increase (and can self-select not to eat out and pay the tax)

in school Wrote:
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> It's important to keep in mind that education
> costs nothing, it pays and pays and pays. Without
> education there is nothing. Vote yes.


How much Real estate taxes do you pay each and every year? my guess is that you pay none!

Harriett Allen Wrote:
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> Vote NO for meals tax = Pay 100% of tax increases
> next year
>
> Vote YES for meals tax = County residents pay only
> 72% of tax increase (and can self-select not to
> eat out and pay the tax)

While a meals tax hits nonresidents who dine here, it also hits Fairfax residents who purchase prepared foods here. If you live in a $500,000 home, your household would only have to spend less than $100 on prepared foods each week for you to be paying more in meals tax than you would pay with a 4 cent increase in the real property tax. That additional meals tax would not be deductible on either your Federal or state income tax return. What the meals tax does not do is increase the tax burden on commercial property owners.

So Harriett, are you willing to pay MORE in taxes with a meals tax, just to get some money from nonresidents who eat here and just to spare commercial property owners a rate increase?