Fuck no I won't vote for this. And if for some reason Sharon and her flunkies stuff the balot box I will be taking my dinners and lunches to Manassas. Fuck these liberal retards and fuck these illegal foreign fucks. U all stink! Take a god damn shower u dirty pigs.

left lane Wrote:
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> I like the meals tax idea and everyone in my
> neighborhood is in favor of it except for one
> really ignorant guy.


Let me guess, the ignorant guy is a republican. Yes the meals tax is a great program that will take some of the tax burden off of county residents. Only an ignorant fool would vote against it.

Perth ct. Wrote:
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> The reason I am going to vote for the meals tax is
> that it is a great way to get revenue from non
> county residents. At any given time there are
> thousands of tourists staying in our hotels and
> eating at our restaurants, people who travel here
> from other counties to work will pay the tax every
> time they go to McDonald's or any other food
> place. It is a great tax because it is not
> entirely on the backs of county residents.
> History has proven that there will be little or no
> decline in restaurant patronage. The meals tax is
> a no lose situation for county residents.


You are exactly right!

perth ct Wrote:
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> left lane Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I like the meals tax idea and everyone in my
> > neighborhood is in favor of it except for one
> > really ignorant guy.
>
>
> Let me guess, the ignorant guy is a republican.
> Yes the meals tax is a great program that will
> take some of the tax burden off of county
> residents. Only an ignorant fool would vote
> against it.

Ignorant fool? How many kinds of fools are there, besides those who will vote for the meals tax? (well there is one, the Shirley Bloomquist fool, who wants to vote for something called a meal's tax).

school custodian Wrote:
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> Perth ct. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The reason I am going to vote for the meals tax
> is
> > that it is a great way to get revenue from non
> > county residents. At any given time there are
> > thousands of tourists staying in our hotels and
> > eating at our restaurants, people who travel
> here
> > from other counties to work will pay the tax
> every
> > time they go to McDonald's or any other food
> > place. It is a great tax because it is not
> > entirely on the backs of county residents.
> > History has proven that there will be little or
> no
> > decline in restaurant patronage. The meals tax
> is
> > a no lose situation for county residents.
>
>
> You are exactly right!


Yes it really is a good idea. A vote against the meals tax is a vote for higher taxes.

Nowhere, anywhere, is there a guarantee that passage of the meals tax will lower property taxes. A far more likely scenario is that if the meals tax is enacted, it will not raise enough money to satisfy the schools and property taxes will go up anyway.

FCPS wastes money. All too well documented are cases such as the $9,000/day music and neuroscience consultant, the $10,000/hour commencement speech, the $80,000/month FCPS spends on travel and all of the perks (retirement, housing allowance, car, phone, etc.) that they give Karen Garza.

FCPS needs to cut spending. If this means certain "popular" programs have to go, then they go. The mission of FCPS is to serve the student community, whatever it may be.

Vote no on the meals tax on November 8.

If u people actually think they will lower property taxes your fucking stupid! Fairfax isn't some dream destination where tourists flock to so its gonna be the tax payers who foot the bills. Fuck Sharon Bulova and her cronies. Career politicians are whats wrong here. Learn to spend the tax money u get responsibily and dont ask for more. Sharon please go fuck Scott Silverthorne with your decrepit old penis if u can get it up.

SharonBulova'sPenis Wrote:
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> If u people actually think they will lower
> property taxes your fucking stupid! Fairfax isn't
> some dream destination where tourists flock to so
> its gonna be the tax payers who foot the bills.
> Fuck Sharon Bulova and her cronies. Career
> politicians are whats wrong here. Learn to spend
> the tax money u get responsibily and dont ask for
> more. Sharon please go fuck Scott Silverthorne
> with your decrepit old penis if u can get it up.


Goddamn you are one ignorant fuck. Of course property taxes will not be lowered but when the meals tax revenue rolls in we may be able to give you a slightly reduced increase in your property tax.
We get the money we need one way or the other, always have and always will. Now go fuck off. If you are not happy with your local government you should move.

I'm not voting for it

Had the meals tax been passed in 1992 the county would have had billions in revenue by now and our taxes would be lower today. I really don't care if it passes or not because I'm old, wealthy and retired. You young fuckers have a chance to do the right thing for yourselves bu approving the meals tax this time.

exit poll Wrote:
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> Had the meals tax been passed in 1992 the county
> would have had billions in revenue by now and our
> taxes would be lower today. I really don't care if
> it passes or not because I'm old, wealthy and
> retired. You young fuckers have a chance to do the
> right thing for yourselves bu approving the meals
> tax this time.


You must be old because that makes no sense at all. lol

county employee Wrote:
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> SharonBulova'sPenis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If u people actually think they will lower
> > property taxes your fucking stupid! Fairfax
> isn't
> > some dream destination where tourists flock to
> so
> > its gonna be the tax payers who foot the bills.
> > Fuck Sharon Bulova and her cronies. Career
> > politicians are whats wrong here. Learn to
> spend
> > the tax money u get responsibily and dont ask
> for
> > more. Sharon please go fuck Scott Silverthorne
> > with your decrepit old penis if u can get it
> up.
>
>
> Goddamn you are one ignorant fuck. Of course
> property taxes will not be lowered but when the
> meals tax revenue rolls in we may be able to give
> you a slightly reduced increase in your property
> tax.
> We get the money we need one way or the other,
> always have and always will. Now go fuck off. If
> you are not happy with your local government you
> should move.


At least you are up front regarding the futility of passing the meals tax.

county employee Wrote:
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> SharonBulova'sPenis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If u people actually think they will lower
> > property taxes your fucking stupid! Fairfax
> isn't
> > some dream destination where tourists flock to
> so
> > its gonna be the tax payers who foot the bills.
> > Fuck Sharon Bulova and her cronies. Career
> > politicians are whats wrong here. Learn to
> spend
> > the tax money u get responsibily and dont ask
> for
> > more. Sharon please go fuck Scott Silverthorne
> > with your decrepit old penis if u can get it
> up.
>
>
> Goddamn you are one ignorant fuck. Of course
> property taxes will not be lowered but when the
> meals tax revenue rolls in we may be able to give
> you a slightly reduced increase in your property
> tax.
> We get the money we need one way or the other,
> always have and always will. Now go fuck off. If
> you are not happy with your local government you
> should move.


Are u fucking kidding me! Your stupid as fuck! I guarantee your an illegal dirty Mexican. I've lived in this county longer than Sharon's penis has had cheese on it. Dumb fucks like you should move back to El Salvador. Your a pathetic County Employee. Now go pick up my trash and shut the fuck up. I'll buy and sell your stupid ass.

The meals tax is a great idea. Let the manassholians help pay our taxes when they come here to fix our plumbing a a/c.

Just because we can collect a meals tax doesn't mean we should. Just because other jurisdictions collect a meals tax doesn't mean we have to. Just because other counties are irresponsible with what they've been entrusted to manage on behalf of its citizens, doesn't mean we have to act the same.

Why can't we think for ourselves and do what makes sense for managing the budget? It is baffling that while we discuss the need for additional funding we are not at the same time reviewing our current spending habits and addressing poor choices before we try to shake down everyone for more money. Show me how you're going to improve your current spending habits.

And to those pointing at current county employees as being staunch advocates, you are right. The people I know who are the vocal supporters are all county employees - makes for some awkward conversations to have to point out the obvious conflict of interest there.

Panhandler Wrote:
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> Just because we can collect a meals tax doesn't
> mean we should. Just because other jurisdictions
> collect a meals tax doesn't mean we have to. Just
> because other counties are irresponsible with what
> they've been entrusted to manage on behalf of its
> citizens, doesn't mean we have to act the same.
>
> Why can't we think for ourselves and do what makes
> sense for managing the budget? It is baffling
> that while we discuss the need for additional
> funding we are not at the same time reviewing our
> current spending habits and addressing poor
> choices before we try to shake down everyone for
> more money. Show me how you're going to improve
> your current spending habits.
>
> And to those pointing at current county employees
> as being staunch advocates, you are right. The
> people I know who are the vocal supporters are all
> county employees - makes for some awkward
> conversations to have to point out the obvious
> conflict of interest there.


Thanks for your opinion, that really counts.

Beagle man Wrote:
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> school custodian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Perth ct. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The reason I am going to vote for the meals
> tax
> > is
> > > that it is a great way to get revenue from
> non
> > > county residents. At any given time there are
> > > thousands of tourists staying in our hotels
> and
> > > eating at our restaurants, people who travel
> > here
> > > from other counties to work will pay the tax
> > every
> > > time they go to McDonald's or any other food
> > > place. It is a great tax because it is not
> > > entirely on the backs of county residents.
> > > History has proven that there will be little
> or
> > no
> > > decline in restaurant patronage. The meals
> tax
> > is
> > > a no lose situation for county residents.
> >
> >
> > You are exactly right!
>
>
> Yes it really is a good idea. A vote against the
> meals tax is a vote for higher taxes.


You are right. I voted against the meals tax last time and it was a really stupid thing to do. This time I think it will pass. I think I can bear the extra tax on my senior coffee and biscuit I get each morning at Mcdees.

This will pass. The idiots of this county do as their are told by the cogs of government. If that pervert faggot McElveen can get reelected after all the bullshit he does, this tax is a given.

To all producers who live here, I offer this advice: Stay as long as you're getting at least as much as your giving. Once you drop below that equilibrium, get the hell out.

This county is now too shitty to stay in if you don't have to.

No to meals tax! Bad idea!

For just a few pennies more we can support all our kids:

Reduce Class Sizes

Keep our Best Teachers

Protect our Quality of Life


Join families and neighbors for an afternoon of family fun and music while supporting the meals tax campaign's efforts on behalf of our great community!


Host committee (in formation): Ben and Dan Press, Delegate Marcus Simon, Senator Scott Surovell, Ed & Nancy Rice, School Board members Dalia Palchik, Ilryong Moon, Ryan McElveen, Karen Corbett Sanders, Tammy Derenak Kaufax, Sandy Evans, Pat Hynes, Megan McLaughlin and Janie Strauss.


Start:September 11, 2016 • 3:00 PM
End: September 11, 2016• 5:00 PM
Supporter Residence • By confirmation, Falls Church, VA 22042

https://actionnetwork.org/ticketed_events/vote-yes-meals-tax-family-fundraiser/

If the meals tax is not approved the terrorists win.

Garza strip Wrote:
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> For just a few pennies more we can support all our
> kids:
>
> Reduce Class Sizes
>
> Keep our Best Teachers
>
> Protect our Quality of Life
>
>
> Join families and neighbors for an afternoon of
> family fun and music while supporting the meals
> tax campaign's efforts on behalf of our great
> community!
>
>
> Host committee (in formation): Ben and Dan Press,
> Delegate Marcus Simon, Senator Scott Surovell, Ed
> & Nancy Rice, School Board members Dalia Palchik,
> Ilryong Moon, Ryan McElveen, Karen Corbett
> Sanders, Tammy Derenak Kaufax, Sandy Evans, Pat
> Hynes, Megan McLaughlin and Janie Strauss.
>
>
> Start:September 11, 2016 • 3:00 PM
> End: September 11, 2016• 5:00 PM
> Supporter Residence • By confirmation, Falls
> Church, VA 22042
>
> https://actionnetwork.org/ticketed_events/vote-yes
> -meals-tax-family-fundraiser/


During the BOS debate the legality of the School Board campaigning in favor of the meals tax was openly questioned and at the very least the Board was discouraged from using the School Board as a promotion tool or Board Members utilizing their titles in an effort to promote the tax. Obviously, the Board disagreed and did their own thing. Did you expect anything else?

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Garza strip Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For just a few pennies more we can support all
> our
> > kids:
> >
> > Reduce Class Sizes
> >
> > Keep our Best Teachers
> >
> > Protect our Quality of Life
> >
> >
> > Join families and neighbors for an afternoon of
> > family fun and music while supporting the meals
> > tax campaign's efforts on behalf of our great
> > community!
> >
> >
> > Host committee (in formation): Ben and Dan
> Press,
> > Delegate Marcus Simon, Senator Scott Surovell,
> Ed
> > & Nancy Rice, School Board members Dalia
> Palchik,
> > Ilryong Moon, Ryan McElveen, Karen Corbett
> > Sanders, Tammy Derenak Kaufax, Sandy Evans, Pat
> > Hynes, Megan McLaughlin and Janie Strauss.
> >
> >
> > Start:September 11, 2016 • 3:00 PM
> > End: September 11, 2016• 5:00 PM
> > Supporter Residence • By confirmation, Falls
> > Church, VA 22042
> >
> >
> https://actionnetwork.org/ticketed_events/vote-yes
>
> > -meals-tax-family-fundraiser/
>
>
> During the BOS debate the legality of the School
> Board campaigning in favor of the meals tax was
> openly questioned and at the very least the Board
> was discouraged from using the School Board as a
> promotion tool or Board Members utilizing their
> titles in an effort to promote the tax.
> Obviously, the Board disagreed and did their own
> thing. Did you expect anything else?

I think the school board has crossed the line here. Certainly Garza has, she is a County employee. She is being paid VERY WELL to run the schools, not to campaign for new taxes.

personally i should vote for meals tax....because my house is valued higher than average and i will get socked if i don't....
but i am against the meals tax, so despite it costing me if it loses....
i will vote against it

It will be done Wrote:
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> FrankR. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You can count on everyone here to vote AGAINST
> > this. We're not funding your sicko agenda to
> put
> > trans-freaks in the girls showers. Get real.
>
>
> Oh you are funding transgender accommodations
> We are only talking about how to pay for it

They are also full of Asians and have no Blacks or Hispanics. Easy to educate, hard working students. Yea for multiculturalism!

We are sending letters home with all the kids this week (the letters were generated with privately donated money!)
This tax is very important to the future of our children. Please vote YES for the children.

A teacher 2 Wrote:
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> We are sending letters home with all the kids this
> week (the letters were generated with privately
> donated money!)
> This tax is very important to the future of our
> children. Please vote YES for the children.


It doesn't go to the children.

It's slated to go to pay salaries.

Vote no, many many small businesses will lose money because of this.

A teacher 2 Wrote:
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> We are sending letters home with all the kids this
> week (the letters were generated with privately
> donated money!)
> This tax is very important to the future of our
> children. Please vote YES for the children.

If the letters were paid for with private money they should have been sent through private channels. The conflicts of interest are just piling up here.

Hate to say it but we need this tax, we really do.

A parent 2 Wrote:
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> Hate to say it but we need this tax, we really do.


Yes we do! More and more Prince William and Loudoun county schools exceed our test scores every year! Pay us now or pay us later. If you citizens make it later it's going to cost much more.

Teacher for 20 Wrote:
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> A parent 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hate to say it but we need this tax, we really
> do.
>
>
> Yes we do! More and more Prince William and
> Loudoun county schools exceed our test scores
> every year! Pay us now or pay us later. If you
> citizens make it later it's going to cost much
> more.


Yeah, thats all good. The meals tax makes sense.

So, county employee, 40 million dollars sounds like a lot of money for meals. I think you are a waste in the fairfax county for worthless expenditures. Thank you for wasting my tax money!

Teacher for 20 Wrote:
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> A parent 2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hate to say it but we need this tax, we really
> do.
>
>
> Yes we do! More and more Prince William and
> Loudoun county schools exceed our test scores
> every year! Pay us now or pay us later. If you
> citizens make it later it's going to cost much
> more.


Too bad the tax won't do anything at all to help that.

Loundoun shot down it's last meals tax attempt by about 70%-30%.

Prince William's failed too.

See if this report changes your mind on sending more money to FCPS.

NPR does this segment yesterday on kids who feel "anxious" and there's a special school in Fairfax (Aspire) that caters to this.

From the NPR segment: "It's expensive though. The Fairfax district spends on average just under $14,000 for each of its students. The Aspire program? About TWICE that." "Most of the 17 students in this program ...take online courses so they can work by themselves, at their own pace. And there are also several therapists and social workers who work with the students..."

So almost half a million dollars for 17 kids - and they teach themselves!

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/09/13/478834629/for-kids-anxiety-about-school-can-feel-like-being-chased-by-a-lion

this from another post Wrote:
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> See if this report changes your mind on sending
> more money to FCPS.
>
> NPR does this segment yesterday on kids who feel
> "anxious" and there's a special school in Fairfax
> (Aspire) that caters to this.
>
> From the NPR segment: "It's expensive though. The
> Fairfax district spends on average just under
> $14,000 for each of its students. The Aspire
> program? About TWICE that." "Most of the 17
> students in this program ...take online courses so
> they can work by themselves, at their own pace.
> And there are also several therapists and social
> workers who work with the students..."
>
> So almost half a million dollars for 17 kids - and
> they teach themselves!
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/09/13/47883462
> 9/for-kids-anxiety-about-school-can-feel-like-bein
> g-chased-by-a-lion


That is a wonderful program. Keep in mind that education costs nothing. We are educating future taxpayers here. Without good education our citizens will become a drain on our society. Without a good school system we have nothing.

This assertion; "education costs nothing" is ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion dollars each year on education. Do we get a return on that? Some of those dollars are spent wisely and some are not. The key to good management - and by extension, the future health and prosperity of the County - is to invest or spend as wisely as we can. This requires a careful and skeptical, fact based assessment of each program. Spending $500,000 on 17 students may be worthwhile, but I'd like to see the analysis that shows that "several therapists and psychologists" are necessary to bringing these students to a point where they will be productive, and tax paying members of the community.

I know that FCPS spends much less per student on the large majority (more than 80%) of students who WILL become productive tax payers. Does it make sense to lump those kids in a classroom of 30 students with one teacher while we have "several" "therapists and psychologists" looking after the "special 17"? I don't know the answer but it is certainly a discussion worth having - and bringing some data and analysis to rather than simplistic emotional assertions.

Hell No to new taxes period. What wrong with you people, don't you realize that once a tax is in place it never ever goes away. Besides in NOVA we already pay an increased sales tax, remember that?

The county is insatiable, the revenue is never enough and it's laughable that you think that somehow the real estate taxes will be reduced. Before they raise any new taxes they need to cut back, say 10% across the board for starters. With the budgets as big as they are they would never miss it.

Damn I can't wait to retire and just get the hell outta this place. I'll be moving to southern VA just to live off the teat of NOVA for a while.

data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
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> This assertion; "education costs nothing" is
> ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion dollars
> each year on education. Do we get a return on
> that? Some of those dollars are spent wisely and
> some are not. The key to good management - and by
> extension, the future health and prosperity of the
> County - is to invest or spend as wisely as we
> can. This requires a careful and skeptical, fact
> based assessment of each program. Spending
> $500,000 on 17 students may be worthwhile, but I'd
> like to see the analysis that shows that "several
> therapists and psychologists" are necessary to
> bringing these students to a point where they will
> be productive, and tax paying members of the
> community.
>
> I know that FCPS spends much less per student on
> the large majority (more than 80%) of students who
> WILL become productive tax payers. Does it make
> sense to lump those kids in a classroom of 30
> students with one teacher while we have "several"
> "therapists and psychologists" looking after the
> "special 17"? I don't know the answer but it is
> certainly a discussion worth having - and bringing
> some data and analysis to rather than simplistic
> emotional assertions.


Please leave the driving to us, we know damn well that this revenue enhancement plan is much needed. The meals revenue enhancement plan is a good one as nearly half of it will be paid by non county residents. If this plan is not approved by the voters then look out because we are going to get the revenue we need in another way and it's really going to cost you!

county employee Wrote:
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> data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This assertion; "education costs nothing" is
> > ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion
> dollars
> > each year on education. Do we get a return on
> > that? Some of those dollars are spent wisely
> and
> > some are not. The key to good management - and
> by
> > extension, the future health and prosperity of
> the
> > County - is to invest or spend as wisely as we
> > can. This requires a careful and skeptical,
> fact
> > based assessment of each program. Spending
> > $500,000 on 17 students may be worthwhile, but
> I'd
> > like to see the analysis that shows that
> "several
> > therapists and psychologists" are necessary to
> > bringing these students to a point where they
> will
> > be productive, and tax paying members of the
> > community.
> >
> > I know that FCPS spends much less per student
> on
> > the large majority (more than 80%) of students
> who
> > WILL become productive tax payers. Does it
> make
> > sense to lump those kids in a classroom of 30
> > students with one teacher while we have
> "several"
> > "therapists and psychologists" looking after
> the
> > "special 17"? I don't know the answer but it
> is
> > certainly a discussion worth having - and
> bringing
> > some data and analysis to rather than
> simplistic
> > emotional assertions.
>
>
> Please leave the driving to us, we know damn well
> that this revenue enhancement plan is much needed.
> The meals revenue enhancement plan is a good one
> as nearly half of it will be paid by non county
> residents. If this plan is not approved by the
> voters then look out because we are going to get
> the revenue we need in another way and it's really
> going to cost you!

You did not do well in your math courses did you. The actual amount of the meals tax that will be paid by outsiders is approximately 28 percent.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> county employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This assertion; "education costs nothing" is
> > > ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion
> > dollars
> > > each year on education. Do we get a return
> on
> > > that? Some of those dollars are spent wisely
> > and
> > > some are not. The key to good management -
> and
> > by
> > > extension, the future health and prosperity
> of
> > the
> > > County - is to invest or spend as wisely as
> we
> > > can. This requires a careful and skeptical,
> > fact
> > > based assessment of each program. Spending
> > > $500,000 on 17 students may be worthwhile,
> but
> > I'd
> > > like to see the analysis that shows that
> > "several
> > > therapists and psychologists" are necessary
> to
> > > bringing these students to a point where they
> > will
> > > be productive, and tax paying members of the
> > > community.
> > >
> > > I know that FCPS spends much less per student
> > on
> > > the large majority (more than 80%) of
> students
> > who
> > > WILL become productive tax payers. Does it
> > make
> > > sense to lump those kids in a classroom of 30
> > > students with one teacher while we have
> > "several"
> > > "therapists and psychologists" looking after
> > the
> > > "special 17"? I don't know the answer but it
> > is
> > > certainly a discussion worth having - and
> > bringing
> > > some data and analysis to rather than
> > simplistic
> > > emotional assertions.
> >
> >
> > Please leave the driving to us, we know damn
> well
> > that this revenue enhancement plan is much
> needed.
> > The meals revenue enhancement plan is a good
> one
> > as nearly half of it will be paid by non county
> > residents. If this plan is not approved by the
> > voters then look out because we are going to
> get
> > the revenue we need in another way and it's
> really
> > going to cost you!
>
> You did not do well in your math courses did you.
> The actual amount of the meals tax that will be
> paid by outsiders is approximately 28 percent.


Fuck you and your made up 28% bullshit. The real percentage will be between 44 and 49 percent.

A conservative 1 Wrote:
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> The meals tax is a great idea and it will likely
> be approved.


We really do need this tax, it's a great iea.

school custodian Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > county employee Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > This assertion; "education costs nothing"
> is
> > > > ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion
> > > dollars
> > > > each year on education. Do we get a return
> > on
> > > > that? Some of those dollars are spent
> wisely
> > > and
> > > > some are not. The key to good management -
> > and
> > > by
> > > > extension, the future health and prosperity
> > of
> > > the
> > > > County - is to invest or spend as wisely as
> > we
> > > > can. This requires a careful and
> skeptical,
> > > fact
> > > > based assessment of each program. Spending
> > > > $500,000 on 17 students may be worthwhile,
> > but
> > > I'd
> > > > like to see the analysis that shows that
> > > "several
> > > > therapists and psychologists" are necessary
> > to
> > > > bringing these students to a point where
> they
> > > will
> > > > be productive, and tax paying members of
> the
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > I know that FCPS spends much less per
> student
> > > on
> > > > the large majority (more than 80%) of
> > students
> > > who
> > > > WILL become productive tax payers. Does it
> > > make
> > > > sense to lump those kids in a classroom of
> 30
> > > > students with one teacher while we have
> > > "several"
> > > > "therapists and psychologists" looking
> after
> > > the
> > > > "special 17"? I don't know the answer but
> it
> > > is
> > > > certainly a discussion worth having - and
> > > bringing
> > > > some data and analysis to rather than
> > > simplistic
> > > > emotional assertions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please leave the driving to us, we know damn
> > well
> > > that this revenue enhancement plan is much
> > needed.
> > > The meals revenue enhancement plan is a good
> > one
> > > as nearly half of it will be paid by non
> county
> > > residents. If this plan is not approved by
> the
> > > voters then look out because we are going to
> > get
> > > the revenue we need in another way and it's
> > really
> > > going to cost you!
> >
> > You did not do well in your math courses did
> you.
> > The actual amount of the meals tax that will be
> > paid by outsiders is approximately 28 percent.
>
>
> Fuck you and your made up 28% bullshit. The real
> percentage will be between 44 and 49 percent.


Bullshit. The 28% already is padded and unrealistic.

ULtwh Wrote:
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> school custodian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Inquisitive One Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > county employee Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > This assertion; "education costs nothing"
> > is
> > > > > ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6 Billion
> > > > dollars
> > > > > each year on education. Do we get a
> return
> > > on
> > > > > that? Some of those dollars are spent
> > wisely
> > > > and
> > > > > some are not. The key to good management
> -
> > > and
> > > > by
> > > > > extension, the future health and
> prosperity
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > County - is to invest or spend as wisely
> as
> > > we
> > > > > can. This requires a careful and
> > skeptical,
> > > > fact
> > > > > based assessment of each program.
> Spending
> > > > > $500,000 on 17 students may be
> worthwhile,
> > > but
> > > > I'd
> > > > > like to see the analysis that shows that
> > > > "several
> > > > > therapists and psychologists" are
> necessary
> > > to
> > > > > bringing these students to a point where
> > they
> > > > will
> > > > > be productive, and tax paying members of
> > the
> > > > > community.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that FCPS spends much less per
> > student
> > > > on
> > > > > the large majority (more than 80%) of
> > > students
> > > > who
> > > > > WILL become productive tax payers. Does
> it
> > > > make
> > > > > sense to lump those kids in a classroom
> of
> > 30
> > > > > students with one teacher while we have
> > > > "several"
> > > > > "therapists and psychologists" looking
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > "special 17"? I don't know the answer
> but
> > it
> > > > is
> > > > > certainly a discussion worth having - and
> > > > bringing
> > > > > some data and analysis to rather than
> > > > simplistic
> > > > > emotional assertions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please leave the driving to us, we know
> damn
> > > well
> > > > that this revenue enhancement plan is much
> > > needed.
> > > > The meals revenue enhancement plan is a
> good
> > > one
> > > > as nearly half of it will be paid by non
> > county
> > > > residents. If this plan is not approved by
> > the
> > > > voters then look out because we are going
> to
> > > get
> > > > the revenue we need in another way and it's
> > > really
> > > > going to cost you!
> > >
> > > You did not do well in your math courses did
> > you.
> > > The actual amount of the meals tax that will
> be
> > > paid by outsiders is approximately 28
> percent.
> >
> >
> > Fuck you and your made up 28% bullshit. The
> real
> > percentage will be between 44 and 49 percent.
>
>
> Bullshit. The 28% already is padded and
> unrealistic.


Sorry but you are wrong as usual.

Karen Garza is a waste of money, fire her

The tax will be implemented.

school custodian Wrote:
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> ULtwh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > school custodian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Inquisitive One Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > county employee Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > data, analysis and reason... Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > This assertion; "education costs
> nothing"
> > > is
> > > > > > ridiculous. Fairfax spends $2.6
> Billion
> > > > > dollars
> > > > > > each year on education. Do we get a
> > return
> > > > on
> > > > > > that? Some of those dollars are spent
> > > wisely
> > > > > and
> > > > > > some are not. The key to good
> management
> > -
> > > > and
> > > > > by
> > > > > > extension, the future health and
> > prosperity
> > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > County - is to invest or spend as
> wisely
> > as
> > > > we
> > > > > > can. This requires a careful and
> > > skeptical,
> > > > > fact
> > > > > > based assessment of each program.
> > Spending
> > > > > > $500,000 on 17 students may be
> > worthwhile,
> > > > but
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > like to see the analysis that shows
> that
> > > > > "several
> > > > > > therapists and psychologists" are
> > necessary
> > > > to
> > > > > > bringing these students to a point
> where
> > > they
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be productive, and tax paying members
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that FCPS spends much less per
> > > student
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the large majority (more than 80%) of
> > > > students
> > > > > who
> > > > > > WILL become productive tax payers.
> Does
> > it
> > > > > make
> > > > > > sense to lump those kids in a classroom
> > of
> > > 30
> > > > > > students with one teacher while we have
> > > > > "several"
> > > > > > "therapists and psychologists" looking
> > > after
> > > > > the
> > > > > > "special 17"? I don't know the answer
> > but
> > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > certainly a discussion worth having -
> and
> > > > > bringing
> > > > > > some data and analysis to rather than
> > > > > simplistic
> > > > > > emotional assertions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please leave the driving to us, we know
> > damn
> > > > well
> > > > > that this revenue enhancement plan is
> much
> > > > needed.
> > > > > The meals revenue enhancement plan is a
> > good
> > > > one
> > > > > as nearly half of it will be paid by non
> > > county
> > > > > residents. If this plan is not approved
> by
> > > the
> > > > > voters then look out because we are going
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > the revenue we need in another way and
> it's
> > > > really
> > > > > going to cost you!
> > > >
> > > > You did not do well in your math courses
> did
> > > you.
> > > > The actual amount of the meals tax that
> will
> > be
> > > > paid by outsiders is approximately 28
> > percent.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fuck you and your made up 28% bullshit. The
> > real
> > > percentage will be between 44 and 49 percent.
> >
> >
> > Bullshit. The 28% already is padded and
> > unrealistic.
>
>
> Sorry but you are wrong as usual.


No, I'm right as usual since I've actually taken the time to look at the basis for that number an you haven't. It's a trivially simple guesstimate based on very generalized numbers from a broad economic model being used somewhat inappropriately for a specific financial calculation. It doesn't take into account that local residents eat probably +3X the numbers of meals locally on an ongoing basis vs 'outsiders.' I don't think that they even bothered to back out the towns already collecting meals taxes from the top- or bottom-line numbers.

Even more pitiful that a county like Fairfax would be relying on such minimal analysis as they've done for a $100 million tax proposal that's been in the works as long as this has in various forms, especially when they have better data available which could be used.

Peter Laidmore Wrote:
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> A conservative 1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The meals tax is a great idea and it will
> likely
> > be approved.
>
>
> We really do need this tax, it's a great iea.


Will watermelon be taxed?

Meals tax =

Raise for school board
Raise for Karen Garza
More travel
More meetings
More administrators

Meals Tax Math Wrote:
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> Meals tax =
>
> Raise for school board
> Raise for Karen Garza
> More travel
> More meetings
> More administrators


Not even close, you ignorant fuck.

Meals tax = better education which = more kids going to college and more kids going to work and paying more taxes.

Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school and going on welfare or going to prison which = much less expense to the taxpayers.

A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer taxes and a better quality of life for all.

Meals tax = Wrote:
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> Meals tax = better education which = more kids
> going to college and more kids going to work and
> paying more taxes.
>
> Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school and
> going on welfare or going to prison which = much
> less expense to the taxpayers.
>
> A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer taxes
> and a better quality of life for all.


The meals tax should be 10% for white people only.

So the incompetent budget planners who ignored the shortfall and passed a dream budget wants a bailout? No way!

What is worse, tax revenue for this year is WAY down, meaning the shortfall is by far more than expected.

I have to plan and live within a means. I'm not bailing out the school system, I have more important things to do with my money - like pay my bills.

Eating out is a small luxury/necessity at times, and no way I would raise the tax rate to 10%!

Anyone who votes for a tax increase, instead of pushing the powers that create budgets to spend within their means, is nuts!

Meals tax = Wrote:
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> Meals tax = better education which = more kids
> going to college and more kids going to work and
> paying more taxes.
>
> Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school and
> going on welfare or going to prison which = much
> less expense to the taxpayers.
>
> A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer taxes
> and a better quality of life for all.


The meals tax <> education. Only 70% is even informally suggested to be used for education with no real earmarking.

Education cost <> student outcomes.

"Education" spending <> actual education, a significant part of which goes to administration and overhead costs.

To the extent that it is dedicated to actual education, the vast bulk of it will go to pay salary and benefits costs for personnel <> students.

Worse yet that's <> hiring more teachers or bettering teachers but only to cover incremental annual increases in salary and benefit costs for existing personnel.

Even then <> to any significant degree since it roughly only = the cost of *annual increases* to health care benefits costs for these personnel.

Bottom line: Meals tax ~= the incremental annual increase in health insurance costs for county employees including some smaller subset of actual teachers = zero effect on students, educational outcomes, or "quality of life."

Just watch the scool board try to nominate one of their own as superintendent or hire another stooge at half a million a year.

Meals tax = Wrote:
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> Meals tax = better education which = more kids
> going to college and more kids going to work and
> paying more taxes.
>
> Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school and
> going on welfare or going to prison which = much
> less expense to the taxpayers.
>
> A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer taxes
> and a better quality of life for all.


You are 100% right. Thanks for posting that.

voter 77 Wrote:
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> Meals tax = Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Meals tax = better education which = more kids
> > going to college and more kids going to work
> and
> > paying more taxes.
> >
> > Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school
> and
> > going on welfare or going to prison which =
> much
> > less expense to the taxpayers.
> >
> > A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer
> taxes
> > and a better quality of life for all.
>
>
> You are 100% right. Thanks for posting that.

None of those points are right. In theory they at nice but not really on point. What exactly do you think will change for students to make them smarter and better educated from the meals tax? Also, there's not exactly a shortage in job applicants. More college grads = more people without jobs when finished with school right now. It also equates to more student debt ...

If you think kids in Fairfax County aren't going to make it to college or won't thrive there on account of less funding to the school system I think you are delusional.

Huh Wrote:
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> voter 77 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Meals tax = Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Meals tax = better education which = more
> kids
> > > going to college and more kids going to work
> > and
> > > paying more taxes.
> > >
> > > Meals tax = fewer kids dropping out of school
> > and
> > > going on welfare or going to prison which =
> > much
> > > less expense to the taxpayers.
> > >
> > > A vote for the meals tax is a vote for fewer
> > taxes
> > > and a better quality of life for all.
> >
> >
> > You are 100% right. Thanks for posting that.
>
> None of those points are right. In theory they at
> nice but not really on point. What exactly do you
> think will change for students to make them
> smarter and better educated from the meals tax?
> Also, there's not exactly a shortage in job
> applicants. More college grads = more people
> without jobs when finished with school right now.
> It also equates to more student debt ...
>
> If you think kids in Fairfax County aren't going
> to make it to college or won't thrive there on
> account of less funding to the school system I
> think you are delusional.


Same idiot wrote it. He has to agree with himself to make it look like it has some support.

Will kids at school have to pay the meals tax on school lunch?

Notes for the Braindead...

Fairfax County will continue to grow and the costs of running FCPS and its schools will continue to increase. Since quality schools are a central part of the platform on which the long-term economic health of the County is built, the Board of Supervisors will do the best it can to help schools recover from the cuts of the Great Recession and to catch up with the continuing overhang of postponed infrastructure, salary, and other unmet demands. Collectively, these are expenses that the Board chose to incur today so as not to have to raise tax rates during the Great Recession. We put a lot of County services on hold or on a credit card back then, and the bill has now arrived in the mail.

The Board last year managed to come up with about $93 million in new revenue by increasing real estate taxes by 4 cents to $1.13 per $100 of assessed value. Nearly all of that new burden fell on County residents. The meals tax would create more new revenue than that without touching real estate tax rates, and it would take in a significant percentage of its revenues from NON-residents.

The governments of Herndon, Vienna, Fairfax City, Falls Church City, Manassas, Manassas Park, Arlington, Alexandria, and of course the District of Columbia have for years been taking money through meals taxes from Fairfax County residents who dine in their jurisdictions. It's about time we started getting even.

The meals tax is a great idea but probably wont pass due to all the punks and bitches that live here.

motor voter Wrote:
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> The meals tax is a great idea but probably wont
> pass due to all the punks and bitches that live
> here.


Terrible idea by a bunch of tax and spend idiots.

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Let's balance the accounts Wrote:
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> Notes for the Braindead...
>
> Fairfax County will continue to grow and the costs
> of running FCPS and its schools will continue to
> increase. Since quality schools are a central
> part of the platform on which the long-term
> economic health of the County is built, the Board
> of Supervisors will do the best it can to help
> schools recover from the cuts of the Great
> Recession and to catch up with the continuing
> overhang of postponed infrastructure, salary, and
> other unmet demands. Collectively, these are
> expenses that the Board chose to incur today so as
> not to have to raise tax rates during the Great
> Recession. We put a lot of County services on
> hold or on a credit card back then, and the bill
> has now arrived in the mail.

There were no "cuts."

>
> The Board last year managed to come up with about
> $93 million in new revenue by increasing real
> estate taxes by 4 cents to $1.13 per $100 of
> assessed value. Nearly all of that new burden
> fell on County residents. The meals tax would
> create more new revenue than that without touching
> real estate tax rates, and it would take in a
> significant percentage of its revenues from
> NON-residents.


Nearly all of this will fall on country residents. And no matter what the actual percentage works out to be that will not affect what any given individual pays. i.e., Because some "outsider" pays tax only affects the county's overall take. It does not reduce what you will pay. Rather than how it's been presented as somehow reducing the tax by some percentage of a set revenue number, the more accurate representation is that every county resident will pay 100% of the tax. Whatever anyone else pays is gravy in addition to.


>
> The governments of Herndon, Vienna, Fairfax City,
> Falls Church City, Manassas, Manassas Park,
> Arlington, Alexandria, and of course the District
> of Columbia have for years been taking money
> through meals taxes from Fairfax County residents
> who dine in their jurisdictions. It's about time
> we started getting even.


Yeah, let's all pay more tax to 'get even.' Stupid argument.

^ +1.000

let's spend smarter, not more!

Let's balance the accounts Wrote:
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> Notes for the Braindead...
>
> Fairfax County will continue to grow and the costs
> of running FCPS and its schools will continue to
> increase. Since quality schools are a central
> part of the platform on which the long-term
> economic health of the County is built, the Board
> of Supervisors will do the best it can to help
> schools recover from the cuts of the Great
> Recession and to catch up with the continuing
> overhang of postponed infrastructure, salary, and
> other unmet demands. Collectively, these are
> expenses that the Board chose to incur today so as
> not to have to raise tax rates during the Great
> Recession. We put a lot of County services on
> hold or on a credit card back then, and the bill
> has now arrived in the mail.

Does the revenue the county makes grow with the county too or is it just the numbers that you want?

>
> The Board last year managed to come up with about
> $93 million in new revenue by increasing real
> estate taxes by 4 cents to $1.13 per $100 of
> assessed value. Nearly all of that new burden
> fell on County residents. The meals tax would
> create more new revenue than that without touching
> real estate tax rates, and it would take in a
> significant percentage of its revenues from
> NON-residents.

This actually happened earlier this year, but you're clearly someone who isn't really on top of things or very well informed so we will let your mistake on that slide. "managed to come up with" is quite the description too. It's not rocket science or some great feat to increase this tax. If you were more informed, which we have established you are not, you'd know they were trying to increase it by 6 cents ... Which failed. The board members could have had a five cents increase but threw a tantrum, didn't understand the implications of their voting and ended up with 4 cents. So either way our taxes are going up and not even six months later are trying to increase them in other ways. Sounds great right?


>
> The governments of Herndon, Vienna, Fairfax City,
> Falls Church City, Manassas, Manassas Park,
> Arlington, Alexandria, and of course the District
> of Columbia have for years been taking money
> through meals taxes from Fairfax County residents
> who dine in their jurisdictions. It's about time
> we started getting even.

Oh other small places have such a tax .. So should we.. The logic of the weak minded.

Are you really an adult? You should really think about what you are saying. Being so poorly informed and copy and pasting stuff from the meals tax website is pathetic. I'd be embarrassed if I were you.

lunch lady Wrote:
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> Will kids at school have to pay the meals tax on
> school lunch?


Yes they will.

Jim Teacher Wrote:
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> lunch lady Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Will kids at school have to pay the meals tax
> on
> > school lunch?
>
>
> Yes they will.


........fucked up.

Jim Teacher Wrote:
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> lunch lady Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Will kids at school have to pay the meals tax
> on
> > school lunch?
>
>
> Yes they will.

A meals tax "shall not be levied on food and beverages sold through vending machines or by . . . (vi) public or private elementary or secondary schools, colleges, and universities to their students or employees." Va. Code § 58.1-3833(A), available at https://vacode.org/2016/58.1/III/38/7.1/58.1-3833/. Sure, a student who skips out to buy a Big Mac will pay an extra sixteen cents. But, any student who sticks to cafeteria food for lunch will not have to pay anything more because of a meals tax.

Just like that moron Trump, these assfuck losers will say anything at all. They don't know shit about a damned thing, yet they spout off about everything. That's just what WORTHLESS TURDS DO!!! They can't help themselves. Because they are WORTHLESS TURDS!!!

tFTCm Wrote:
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> Just like that moron Trump, these assfuck losers
> will say anything at all. They don't know shit
> about a damned thing, yet they spout off about
> everything. That's just what WORTHLESS TURDS
> DO!!! They can't help themselves. Because they
> are WORTHLESS TURDS!!!
Attachments:

If it quacks like a giant pea-brained worthless turd...

ch3dM Wrote:
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> If it quacks like a giant pea-brained worthless
> turd...


...it must be the Vienna Asshole posting.

Surprised by vitriol Wrote:
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> Jim Teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > lunch lady Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Will kids at school have to pay the meals tax
> > on
> > > school lunch?
> >
> >
> > Yes they will.
>
> A meals tax "shall not be levied on food and
> beverages sold through vending machines or by . .
> . (vi) public or private elementary or secondary
> schools, colleges, and universities to their
> students or employees." Va. Code § 58.1-3833(A),
> available at
> https://vacode.org/2016/58.1/III/38/7.1/58.1-3833/
> . Sure, a student who skips out to buy a Big Mac
> will pay an extra sixteen cents. But, any student
> who sticks to cafeteria food for lunch will not
> have to pay anything more because of a meals tax.


They changed all that 6 months ago. Please do some research before posting ignorant and inaccurate information.

The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals tax on all the "working" breakfasts, lunches, and dinners that we pay for. And we pay for lots of them.

FCPS staff take the county credit cards and live off of us at the local restaurants.

taxpayer 123 Wrote:
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> The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals tax on
> all the "working" breakfasts, lunches, and dinners
> that we pay for. And we pay for lots of them.
>
> FCPS staff take the county credit cards and live
> off of us at the local restaurants.


When we go to attend training seminars we have to stay at super8 or days inn, fly coach and rent little cars. No luxury travel for us public servants. We have to eat at Ihop or applebees too!

FCPS guy Wrote:
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> taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals tax on
> > all the "working" breakfasts, lunches, and
> dinners
> > that we pay for. And we pay for lots of them.
> >
> > FCPS staff take the county credit cards and
> live
> > off of us at the local restaurants.
>
>
> When we go to attend training seminars we have to
> stay at super8 or days inn, fly coach and rent
> little cars. No luxury travel for us public
> servants. We have to eat at Ihop or applebees too!

The receipts indicate the exact opposite. Hotel per diem limits mean nothing. Not too much effort is put into researching a reasonable low plane fare. A Suburban does not count as a little car. Granted, you could be stuffing it with several FCPS staff. You could also be filling it with your family.

Plus, if you are on non-local travel you get straight per diem. No restaurant receipts. And the Fairfax meals tax does not apply.

It is the local meals on the taxpayer dime that are the issue here. Morton's, Capital Grille, Maggiano's, etc.

taxpayer 123 Wrote:
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> FCPS guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals tax
> on
> > > all the "working" breakfasts, lunches, and
> > dinners
> > > that we pay for. And we pay for lots of them.
>
> > >
> > > FCPS staff take the county credit cards and
> > live
> > > off of us at the local restaurants.
> >
> >
> > When we go to attend training seminars we have
> to
> > stay at super8 or days inn, fly coach and rent
> > little cars. No luxury travel for us public
> > servants. We have to eat at Ihop or applebees
> too!
>
> The receipts indicate the exact opposite. Hotel
> per diem limits mean nothing. Not too much effort
> is put into researching a reasonable low plane
> fare. A Suburban does not count as a little car.
> Granted, you could be stuffing it with several
> FCPS staff. You could also be filling it with your
> family.
>
> Plus, if you are on non-local travel you get
> straight per diem. No restaurant receipts. And the
> Fairfax meals tax does not apply.
>
> It is the local meals on the taxpayer dime that
> are the issue here. Morton's, Capital Grille,
> Maggiano's, etc.


So what? I guarantee you that no more than 150,000 is spent on that kind of stuff in a years time. It's peanuts.

county employee Wrote:
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> taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS guy Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals
> tax
> > on
> > > > all the "working" breakfasts, lunches, and
> > > dinners
> > > > that we pay for. And we pay for lots of
> them.
> >
> > > >
> > > > FCPS staff take the county credit cards and
> > > live
> > > > off of us at the local restaurants.
> > >
> > >
> > > When we go to attend training seminars we
> have
> > to
> > > stay at super8 or days inn, fly coach and
> rent
> > > little cars. No luxury travel for us public
> > > servants. We have to eat at Ihop or applebees
> > too!
> >
> > The receipts indicate the exact opposite. Hotel
> > per diem limits mean nothing. Not too much
> effort
> > is put into researching a reasonable low plane
> > fare. A Suburban does not count as a little
> car.
> > Granted, you could be stuffing it with several
> > FCPS staff. You could also be filling it with
> your
> > family.
> >
> > Plus, if you are on non-local travel you get
> > straight per diem. No restaurant receipts. And
> the
> > Fairfax meals tax does not apply.
> >
> > It is the local meals on the taxpayer dime that
> > are the issue here. Morton's, Capital Grille,
> > Maggiano's, etc.
>
>
> So what? I guarantee you that no more than 150,000
> is spent on that kind of stuff in a years time.
> It's peanuts.
You are full of shir. FCPS spends 80,000 a month on travel. All they do is waste money and promote ridiculous stuff like the transgender bathrooms.

"So what? I guarantee you that no more than 150,000 is spent on that kind of stuff in a years time. It's peanuts."

It's more than that and why is it spent at all? A lot of it is not compliant with regulations.

Know-nothing populist stupid shits waste their time yelling and screaming about trivia. Turf fields. Flip Flippen. Tara Brach. Travel costs. Lunch at Sea Pearl. A hill of beans would be a refreshing change of scenery in the posts of these morons.

Shut up and vote for the tax you fucking peasants.

Only a fool or school board groupie (is there a difference?) would vote for this tax.

Down With The Meals Tax Wrote:
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> Only a fool or school board groupie (is there a
> difference?) would vote for this tax.


Actually the majority of county residents know that the meals tax is a "must have" for the good of the county. It may not pass due to voter ignorance however.

FCPS wastes money Wrote:
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> county employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > FCPS guy Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > taxpayer 123 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > The taxpayers WILL have to pay the meals
> > tax
> > > on
> > > > > all the "working" breakfasts, lunches,
> and
> > > > dinners
> > > > > that we pay for. And we pay for lots of
> > them.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > FCPS staff take the county credit cards
> and
> > > > live
> > > > > off of us at the local restaurants.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When we go to attend training seminars we
> > have
> > > to
> > > > stay at super8 or days inn, fly coach and
> > rent
> > > > little cars. No luxury travel for us public
> > > > servants. We have to eat at Ihop or
> applebees
> > > too!
> > >
> > > The receipts indicate the exact opposite.
> Hotel
> > > per diem limits mean nothing. Not too much
> > effort
> > > is put into researching a reasonable low
> plane
> > > fare. A Suburban does not count as a little
> > car.
> > > Granted, you could be stuffing it with
> several
> > > FCPS staff. You could also be filling it with
> > your
> > > family.
> > >
> > > Plus, if you are on non-local travel you get
> > > straight per diem. No restaurant receipts.
> And
> > the
> > > Fairfax meals tax does not apply.
> > >
> > > It is the local meals on the taxpayer dime
> that
> > > are the issue here. Morton's, Capital Grille,
> > > Maggiano's, etc.
> >
> >
> > So what? I guarantee you that no more than
> 150,000
> > is spent on that kind of stuff in a years time.
> > It's peanuts.
> You are full of shir. FCPS spends 80,000 a month
> on travel. All they do is waste money and promote
> ridiculous stuff like the transgender bathrooms.


Not even close you ignorant fuck.

About 60 percent of the meals tax will be paid by people who live outside the county. It makes good sense.

The mindfulness initiative is crap.the teachers have qualifications like basketball coach and parent. Sorry, schools, learn to spend responsibly.

The strongest argument for the meals tax is to diversify the tax base, simple as that. Any other argument is a joke because the meals tax is not likely to fix any of those problems by itself and would need a cut back on spending to occur which should be done before the meals tax is even discussed.

dasd Wrote:
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> The strongest argument for the meals tax is to
> diversify the tax base, simple as that. Any other
> argument is a joke because the meals tax is not
> likely to fix any of those problems by itself and
> would need a cut back on spending to occur which
> should be done before the meals tax is even
> discussed.


It's no argument at all. It's just mumbo-jumbo talking point bullshit that dumb fuckers repeat with no clue what it even actually means. lol

dasd Wrote:
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> The strongest argument for the meals tax is to
> diversify the tax base,

The problem with that argument is that we already tax meals sales TWICE. Meals sales are subject to the sales tax at either 6% or 2.5%, depending in what is sold and where, with part of that money going to the local government. In addition almost all businesses which sell meals are required to pay the BPOL tax based on their gross receipts. Adding a meals tax does not allow Fairfax County to tax a hitherto untaxed revenue stream. It allows Fairfax County to tax an already taxed revenue stream at a higher rate.

folks - focus: the meals tax is only a tax - it is a regressive tax (which means it hits the poor hardest) - it has nothing at all to do with schools - it has nothing to do with "diversification" - it is simply a way for the politicians to get more money to spend.

If you want the politicians to have more money to spend, then vote for it. If you don't want the politicians to have more money, then vote against it. It's that frickn simple.

Please tell me it is not so! Even though I believe that the SB budget said this is so (the audio was poor), the SB will be asking the County for a $135 million increase in the transfer for the next fiscal year and a similar increase for the following year. This means that in addition to the meals tax revenue they will ask for an additional $67 million to cover proposed spending. I welcome ANYONE to correct my assumptions because I want to be proven wrong. Here is a breakdown of the increases along with a brief description of the expenditures.

Required Spending

Enrollment growth $4.3
VA Retirement $25.5
EFRC (teacher $11.4
retirement cost)
FCERS (general
retirement cost) $5.9
Health Insurance $7.2
Contractual Increase$4.1

Teachers Compensation

Teacher Step Inc. $44.0
Teacher Scale Adj $44.3
1% Inc for Non $ 7.9
Teachers
Savings from ($20.7)
Teacher turnover
Total $133.9

How about this mindfulness project at FCPS? The scientific evidence is sketchy at best. What's really sketchy is the people running it. The head "mind" of this operation is an amateur basketball coach!

Maybe some day FCPS will stop spending money like water. Until that day comes, I'm not voting for any new taxes to fund the schools.
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Hey OP....Feel free to donate, don't expect others to fulfill your personal agenda for a County (and especially the FCSB) who ignores the wishes of the constituents.
http://www.fcpsfoundation.org/

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pb3wk Wrote:
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> folks - focus: the meals tax is only a tax - it
> is a regressive tax (which means it hits the poor
> hardest) - it has nothing at all to do with
> schools - it has nothing to do with
> "diversification" - it is simply a way for the
> politicians to get more money to spend.
>
> If you want the politicians to have more money to
> spend, then vote for it. If you don't want the
> politicians to have more money, then vote against
> it. It's that frickn simple.


^^^Pure bullshit alert!^^^^^

aahhh, a concise, well reasoned, data based, analytically sound comment from a "teacher" - Jim. Perhaps this is why so many are so opposed to giving more money to FCPS!?!

It's a tax.

It's regressive.

It is more money for the County, which then decides whether and how much to give to FCPS.

but maybe that's too simple for Jim "teacher" to comprehend

good tax Wrote:
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> About 60 percent of the meals tax will be paid by
> people who live outside the county. It makes good
> sense.


Yeah, im voting for it.

^^^"Pure bullshit alert!^^^

The "Oh it will get extra money from outsiders argument" is pretty weak its basically saying "Hey we are gonna tax you for using services that you use nearly every week because sometimes other people that don't live in your area use those services every once and awhile"