I think its complete bull.... The two are not comparable.
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Tells me that Muslim men are still animals and resort to treating their women like this because they cant control themselves.

The difference is western civilization women choose to dress sexy (or not). In muslim countries, there is no choice.

No one forces women to dress in a sexy manner. They do so willingly. Unless you're an underage prostitute with a scary pimp. Then it might not be by choice.

vgnlinfxn Wrote:
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> No one forces women to dress in a sexy manner.
> They do so willingly. Unless you're an underage
> prostitute with a scary pimp. Then it might not
> be by choice.


I bet pimps treat their teen-aged whores better than most Muslim men treat their 'wives'

It is two different world views, and both are happy with their lifestyles. Why even say one is more right than the other? That's stupid.

justsayin Wrote:
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> It is two different world views, and both are
> happy with their lifestyles. Why even say one is
> more right than the other? That's stupid.


WHAT?

Are you saying muslim women are happy about having to dress in a fucking tent, the inability to drive a car, to never wear red, to be victims of honor killings and stonings for being raped?

Get a fucking clue.

Numbers Wrote:
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> WHAT?
>
> Are you saying muslim women are happy about having
> to dress in a fucking tent, the inability to drive
> a car, to never wear red, to be victims of honor
> killings and stonings for being raped?

Well, there might be a few of them that aren't happy... Typical, if you ask me...

Signatures are for fags

Numbers Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is two different world views, and both are
> > happy with their lifestyles. Why even say one
> is
> > more right than the other? That's stupid.
>
>
> WHAT?
>
> Are you saying muslim women are happy about having
> to dress in a fucking tent, the inability to drive
> a car, to never wear red, to be victims of honor
> killings and stonings for being raped?
>
> Get a fucking clue.

justsayin has the luxury of never having to form an opinion on his own. He simply reads what I write and takes the opposite stance. Hes never even said 'thank you' sheeh.

Dude, the artist of that cartoon is stupid. Some could say that mass media and perceptions of what's hot and what's not in western society force our women to underdress.. But unlike many other places we don't stone women to death for not wearing what their men want them to wear.


On the other hand, I have heard Muslim women say that they feel uncomfortable without their hijab because it's been just another article of clothing their whole lives. They feel exposed without it, like they feel like they're naked and indecently dressed without it.

 

friskydingo Wrote:
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I have heard Muslim women say
> that they feel uncomfortable without their hijab
> because it's been just another article of clothing
> their whole lives. They feel exposed without it,
> like they feel like they're naked and indecently
> dressed without it.


They just don't want anyone to see that they are ugly.

I think it's a good cartoon... Fun point of view...

Signatures are for fags

The blonde looks a bit like Lady Gaga.

Numbers Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > It is two different world views, and both are
> > happy with their lifestyles. Why even say one is
> > more right than the other? That's stupid.
>
>
> WHAT?
>
> Are you saying muslim women are happy about having
> to dress in a fucking tent, the inability to drive
> a car, to never wear red, to be victims of honor
> killings and stonings for being raped?
>
> Get a fucking clue.

YOU get a fucking clue. I was commenting on the comic posted, where two women are expressing different viewpoints. The comic does not say the Muslim is unhappy about her circumstance, that she is being raped, or anything you are accusing me of assuming in the comic.

I'll try to dummy it down for you... if the Muslim woman in the cartoon was buried neck-deep in sand getting rocks thrown at her while looking at the other girl and thinking what is in the thought bubble, that is an ENTIRELY different message than the comic has. I'm reading the comic. What are you reading?

JBass Wrote:
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> justsayin has the luxury of never having to form
> an opinion on his own. He simply reads what I
> write and takes the opposite stance. Hes never
> even said 'thank you' sheeh.

Thank you for your posts that are usually easy targets for refutation. Sheesh.

+1

justsayin Wrote:
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> I'll try to dummy it down for you... if the Muslim
> woman in the cartoon was buried neck-deep in sand
> getting rocks thrown at her while looking at the
> other girl and thinking what is in the thought
> bubble, that is an ENTIRELY different message than
> the comic has. I'm reading the comic. What are
> you reading?

Signatures are for fags

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> What are you reading?


This.

> It is two different world views, and both are happy with their lifestyles.


I'm saying the majority of muslim women are NOT happy with their lifestyles. Take an anonymous poll in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, etc... and enjoy the results.

Would YOU be happy with that lifestyle if the role were reversed?

You are changing the subject, again I am talking about the quotes in the comic, not the "larger" question you are reading into the post. Show me where in the comic all this you are reading into it. I see two independent women thinking two different things and that's what I answered. If you don't like that interpretation, you can suck it and all of your hyperbole can help choke you while you do it.

I have to agree with justsayin. The comic implies that the scene is occuring in America, not some Middle Eastern country. Women here have a choice to wear a burkha, and some choose to do it. The one woman thinks (because of her beliefs) that the expression of modesty is oppressive, while the other woman (because of her beliefs) thinks the lack of expression of modesty is oppressive.

I'm sure there are a lot of women in the Middle East who resent having to wear the burkha and their lack of social equality, but that's not what this comic is about. It's about two people with different beliefs coming to the same conclusion.

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justsayin Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin has the luxury of never having to
> form
> > an opinion on his own. He simply reads what I
> > write and takes the opposite stance. Hes never
> > even said 'thank you' sheeh.
>
> Thank you for your posts that are usually easy
> targets for refutation. Sheesh.

Simply taking an opposing stance to mine does not get you any kudos in my book. I dont mind a good debate but with you its just silly. I cant take your opinion about anything seriously because all you ever do is take the protagonist point of view... and if your view is indeed always the protagonist stance, then you sir are a raging pussy and your opinion should..... get this..... never be taken seriously.

Is it time for a beer yet?

I like the cartoon. Makes the point that our perceptions are shaped by the society we live in. Both women are quite comfortable with who they are. It doesn't mean that either one of them is wrong.

They are both wrong. Neither one is in a kitchen.

Ten Toes in the Grave Wrote:
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> I like the cartoon. Makes the point that our
> perceptions are shaped by the society we live in.
> Both women are quite comfortable with who they
> are. It doesn't mean that either one of them is
> wrong.

You think Muslim women are comfortable with who they are? Thats fucking laughable. For that matter, I doubt most of the girls here in america are either. They are both completely mind fucked by society.

Although you make a good point, I've always had a problem with your name... I would think that ten toes in the grave means you're dead... Are you dead?

Ten Toes in the Grave Wrote:
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> I like the cartoon. Makes the point that our
> perceptions are shaped by the society we live in.
> Both women are quite comfortable with who they
> are. It doesn't mean that either one of them is
> wrong.

Signatures are for fags

justsayin Wrote:
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> You are changing the subject, again I am talking
> about the quotes in the comic, not the "larger"
> question you are reading into the post. Show me
> where in the comic all this you are reading into
> it. I see two independent women thinking two
> different things and that's what I answered. If
> you don't like that interpretation, you can suck
> it and all of your hyperbole can help choke you
> while you do it.


I wasn't commenting on the cartoon. I was commenting on your comment about how both are "happy in their lifestyles".

As for the cartoon, I understand where the author is coming from. I just don't see either perception being accurate.

JBass Wrote:
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> You think Muslim women are comfortable with who
> they are? Thats fucking laughable. For that
> matter, I doubt most of the girls here in america
> are either. They are both completely mind fucked
> by society.

Women(especially hot ones) get so much attention and stares on a daily basis from horny men. It really gets to their heads. Most were unstable to begin with.

In the name of Islam - Women are being abused, even mutilated:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/ugly_women.htm

This ain't anything new...been like this at least since Jesus was a boy.

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> justsayin Wrote:
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> I was commenting on the comic posted, where two women are expressing different viewpoints.

The cartoon does express two very different world viewpoints.

> The comic does not say the Muslim is unhappy about her circumstance.....

Neither does the comic say she IS happy, but YOU did. You said both women were happy.

Then, spouting propaganda of cultural relativism, you asked, "Why even say one is more right than another?"

Numbers answered your question.


Stop the clocks, blast the trumpets, throw confetti out the windows.
Judge Alias rules in favor of Numbers in this case before the court of logic.

Enough bullshit, let's get to the point: hot or not?

White Americans being racist to other minorities when they have been responsible for so much atrocities? No way. #shocked

Killing off the Native Indians
Enslaving black people and instituting discrimination
Calling poor Latino/Spanish immigrants all kinds of names demonizing them.

I am just shocked...Just remember, the sins of the father, would be visited upon the children,

I'm still laughing about the goat mounting the Muslim as he prays to Allah.

JBass Wrote:
-------------------You think Muslim women are comfortable with who
> they are? Thats fucking laughable. For that
> matter, I doubt most of the girls here in america
> are either. They are both completely mind fucked
> by society.


Muslim women are very happy, peacefull and often sexy. They cannot understand the American-Christan history of violence and hate. Most Muslim women feel sorry american women.
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Truth be with you Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> -------------------You think Muslim women are
> comfortable with who
> > they are? Thats fucking laughable. For that
> > matter, I doubt most of the girls here in
> america
> > are either. They are both completely mind
> fucked
> > by society.
>
>
> Muslim women are very happy, peacefull and often
> sexy. They cannot understand the American-Christan
> history of violence and hate. Most Muslim women
> feel sorry american women.


If you are going to be completely full of shit, please do so with with facts.

711 - Muslims invade Spain and Portugal.

1096 - The first crusade was launched to avenge the slaughter of 3000 Christian pilgrims in Jerusalem.

2012 - Idiot trolls parrot bullshit they've been force fed and get it completely wrong.

Without even going into the ridiculous nature of the cartoon, the premise, that women in the West are more oppressed by a male dominated culture, is shown to be a farce by the following facts:

1) In the West, women are not denied any level of education because they're female.
2) In the West, women are not banned from driving vehicles
3) In the West, women are not banned from voting
4) In the West, women are not barred from any job a man can also have
5) In the West, women are not barred from social contact, regardless of the gender of the person they want to associate with.

Ad nauseam.

trogdor! Wrote:
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> Without even going into the ridiculous nature of
> the cartoon, the premise, that women in the West
> are more oppressed by a male dominated culture,

I don't think that's what the premise was...

is
> shown to be a farce by the following facts:
>
> 1) In the West, women are not denied any level of
> education because they're female.
> 2) In the West, women are not banned from driving
> vehicles
> 3) In the West, women are not banned from voting
> 4) In the West, women are not barred from any job
> a man can also have
> 5) In the West, women are not barred from social
> contact, regardless of the gender of the person
> they want to associate with.
>
> Ad nauseam.

how did this thread turn into a "my culture is better than yours" thread?

The cartoon was not assigning value to any belief.

Can't we just celebrate the different beliefs held by different cultures?

Signatures are for fags

trogdor! Wrote:
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> Without even going into the ridiculous nature of
> the cartoon, the premise, that women in the West
> are more oppressed by a male dominated culture, is
> shown to be a farce by the following facts:
>
> 1) In the West, women are not denied any level of
> education because they're female.
> 2) In the West, women are not banned from driving
> vehicles
> 3) In the West, women are not banned from voting
> 4) In the West, women are not barred from any job
> a man can also have
> 5) In the West, women are not barred from social
> contact, regardless of the gender of the person
> they want to associate with.
>
> Ad nauseam.

Muslim women in the West have these rights, too. They also have the right to NOT do these things to honor their culture or traditions.

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Alias Wrote:
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> Then, spouting propaganda of cultural relativism,
> you asked, "Why even say one is more right than
> another?"




Alias must be taking an anthropology course and is regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> Alias must be taking an anthropology course and is
> regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.


Sometimes for no reason Alias goes out onto her front porch and shouts racial epithets at the top of her lungs, sometimes for up to 20 minutes of bigotted, hate filled shouting.

eesh Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Then, spouting propaganda of cultural
> relativism,
> > you asked, "Why even say one is more right than
> > another?"
>
>
> Alias must be taking an anthropology course and is
> regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.


Sociology, actually.... my favorite subject.

And, the professor, omg, he's so smart.

He likes to socialize with me during his office hours.

fronz Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias must be taking an anthropology course and
> is
> > regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.
>
>
> Sometimes for no reason Alias goes out onto her
> front porch and shouts racial epithets at the top
> of her lungs, sometimes for up to 20 minutes of
> bigotted, hate filled shouting.

I suffer from Tourette Syndrome, a neurological disorder characterized by repetitive, involuntary movements and vocalizations. You should try to be a little more sensitive.

Alias Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alias Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Then, spouting propaganda of cultural
> > relativism,
> > > you asked, "Why even say one is more right
> than
> > > another?"
> >
> >
> > Alias must be taking an anthropology course and
> is
> > regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.
>
>
> Sociology, actually.... my favorite subject.
>
> And, the professor, omg, he's so smart.
>
> He likes to socialize with me during his office
> hours.

ooooh baby, I want you to suck on that big cock of mine

Keg thin Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Alias Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Then, spouting propaganda of cultural
> > > relativism,
> > > > you asked, "Why even say one is more right
> > than
> > > > another?"
> > >
> > >
> > > Alias must be taking an anthropology course
> and
> > is
> > > regurgitating what she learns here on FFXU.
> >
> >
> > Sociology, actually.... my favorite subject.
> >
> > And, the professor, omg, he's so smart.
> >
> > He likes to socialize with me during his office
> > hours.
>
> ooooh baby, I want you to suck on that big cock of
> mine


That's exactly what he said. He calls it the healthy social skill that gives you an A.

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Truth be with you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> > -------------------You think Muslim women are
> > comfortable with who
> > > they are? Thats fucking laughable. For that
> > > matter, I doubt most of the girls here in
> > america
> > > are either. They are both completely mind
> > fucked
> > > by society.
> >
> >
> > Muslim women are very happy, peacefull and
> often
> > sexy. They cannot understand the
> American-Christan
> > history of violence and hate. Most Muslim women
> > feel sorry american women.
>
>
> If you are going to be completely full of shit,
> please do so with with facts.
>
> 711 - Muslims invade Spain and Portugal.
>
> 1096 - The first crusade was launched to avenge
> the slaughter of 3000 Christian pilgrims in
> Jerusalem.
>
> 2012 - Idiot trolls parrot bullshit they've been
> force fed and get it completely wrong.


Compare that with the history of the most violent people on the planet, the Christians!





Christian Violence in History

The horrible truth is that, numerically and statistically speaking, Christian Civilization is the bloodiest and most violent of all civilizations in all of history, and is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. Even so, Muslims will never associate this violence and blood bath with the teachings of Jesus (peace be on him).

Saint Augustine’s cognite intrare (“lead them in”—i.e. “force them to convert”). In fact the Qur’an says the exact opposite: There is no compulsion in religion ( 2:256 ). Augustine’s frightening idea that all must be compelled to “conform” to the “true Christian faith” has unleashed centuries of unparalleled bloodshed. Indeed, Christians have suffered more under the rule of Christian civilization than under pre- Christian Roman rule or any other rule in history. Millions were tortured and slaughtered in the name of Christianity during the periods of the Arian, Donatist and Albigensian heresies
The Crusades The European armies were saying, as they slaughtered both Christian and Muslim Arabs: “Kill them all, God will know his own.”
Europe's Reformation and Counter Reformation Era Two thirds of the Christian population of Europe was slaughtered by Christians
The African slave trade Claimed the lives of 10 million
The Colonial Conquests Estimates for the number of Native Americans slaughtered by the Europeans in North, Central and South America run as high as 20 million within three generations.
The 20 th century's Western Civilization took warfare to new extremes A conservative estimate puts the total number of brutal deaths in the 20 th century at more than 250 million. Of these, Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million deaths. Christians, or those coming from Christian backgrounds account for more than 200 million of these! The greatest death totals come from World War I (about 20 million, at least 90 % of which were inflicted by “Christians”) and World War II ( 90 million, at least 50% of which were inflicted by “Christians,” the majority of the rest occurring in the Far East). Given this grim history, it appears that we Europeans must all come to grips with the fact that Islamic civilization has actually been incomparably less brutal than Christian civilization. Did the Holocaust of over 6 million Jews occur out of the background of a Muslim Civilization?
In the 20th century alone

Western and/or Christian powers have been responsible for at least twenty times more deaths than have Muslim powers. In this most brutal of centuries, we created incomparably more civilian casualties than have Muslims in the whole of Islamic history.
In the 20th century, Rawanda, 1994 Witness the slaughter of 900,000 Rwandans in 1994 in a population that was over 90 % Christian
1992-1995 Bosnia The genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs
Western popular culture It should also be mentioned that although Islam has the concept of legitimate war in self-defense (as does Christianity, and even Buddhism), nowhere in Islamic culture (or in other cultures that survive today) is there latent the idealization, and perhaps idolization, of violence that exists in Western Culture. Westerners think of themselves as peaceful, but in fact the gentleness and sublimity of the New Testament, and the peace-loving nature of the principles of democracy, are scarcely reflected in Western popular culture. Rather, the entire inclination of popular culture— Hollywood movies, Western television, video games, popular music and sports entertainment—is to glorify and inculcate violence. Accordingly, the relative rates of murder (especially random and serial murder) are higher in the Western World (particularly in the U.S., but even in Europe, taken as a whole) than they are in the Islamic world in counties that are not suffering civil wars, and this true despite the much greater wealth of the West.

Truth be with you copy and pasted a piece stolen from the internet, that's been passed off as a Christian confession, which was actually written by a pussy (and bad writer) Muslim in the post-911 days of "we aren't the evil ones, you are".


Surah 9:5

Oh yeah...........blow me, thief of poorly written bullshit.

Vexxxed Wrote:
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> Truth be with you copy and pasted a piece stolen
> from the internet, that's been passed off as a
> Christian confession, which was actually written
> by a pussy (and bad writer) Muslim in the post-911
> days of "we aren't the evil ones, you are".
>
>
> Surah 9:5
>
> Oh yeah...........blow me, thief of poorly written
> bullshit.

Just trying to point out that the vast majority of Muslims are good people. They have their radical groups just like we do. To hate all Muslims across the board is just ignorant. We have plenty of ignorance and hate in this country and its so sad.

It's not an apt comparison. Women in the West don't get beaten for not dressing like sluts.

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

To hate or even dislike all muslims is absurd, but I find it completely rational to hate or dislike Islam. I see the individual muslim as a victim of a diabolical brainwashing system in the same way I see all religious people.
As they say in Christianity, "don't hate the sinner, hate the sin".

The biggest problem with being a muslim is deciding one day that you no longer want to be one. It's nearly impossible to get out once you're in.

Truth be with you Wrote:
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> Just trying to point out that the vast majority of
> Muslims are good people. They have their radical
> groups just like we do. To hate all Muslims across
> the board is just ignorant. We have plenty of
> ignorance and hate in this country and its so
> sad.
>
>

Why? For years after 9-11 the entire planet screamed in unison "If you all aren't terrorists...SAY SO!"

The silence that followed from the Muslim community was deafening.

This ignorance is yours, friend. You don't point out how wonderful Muslims are by throwing everyone else under the bus.

"Can't we all just get along while I trash everyone that isn't a Muslim?"

Face it, all religions are horrible.

When someone tells me that they waste time talking to an imaginary friend -- regardless of what kind (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu) -- he loses all credibility in my eyes.

Why would you believe this horseshit? Virgins who bear the son of God in a stable? Burning bushes? A talking snake? (sorry BEH)

At least the Hindus have some creative stories -- You see the god Ganesh all over India, the one with an elephant head. He is the son of Shiva and when he came home to see his wife after 20 years, his son Ganesh didn't recognize him and tried to stop him from entering his mother's house. Shiva said, "Bullshit!" and cut the kid's head off. When his mom came out and saw what Shiva had done, she put an elephant's head on his torso...

At least that is an interesting story.

The Jewish stories from the Old Testament are all about a pissed off God killing people. The Christian New Testament is a discombobulated mess because it was edited so hard by the Constantine to make it into a state religion. Muhammed in Islam really never did shit except unite a bunch of desert nomads. His sole connection to God was that he sat in a cave near Mecca and heard voices. Then one night he flew up to heaven and then to Jerusalem and back. It was during this time he made a pact with the devil supposedly (hence the "Satanic Verses").

All of this is a bunch of fairytales that people are supposed to tell their children to make them eat their vegetables and sit up straight. At least when you lie to them about Santa Claus, you tell them that they will get presents on Christmas if they behave.

How is it that grown adults believe this nonsense? Don't we have schools that teach physics, mathematics, biology, reasoning?

People make such a big deal that the Mormons are a cult because they wear magic underwear and say that Jesus appeared to the American Indians in the 3rd Century A.D. -- and that Joseph Smith found gold tablets in his attic. Seriously, THAT is cultish? That shit is just as believable as all the rest of the nonsense.

Next time someone wants to preach to you about their religion, tell them a made up story about a rock you pray to in your backyard. Go on and on about how much enlightenment it has brought to you -- how much comfort you get from the rock -- how you will pray to the rock to save that person's soul. The more they persist, the more you should get animated about the fire and brimstone that brought the ROCK into existence and how they should repent now.

Christianity has been used to justify The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust and slavery. It's not the religion that is the issue. It's the people who choose to manipulate it and the people who follow who choose to believe. That goes for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and any other religion or belief system.

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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

PrayToARockInMyBackyard Wrote:
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> Face it, all religions are horrible.
>
> When someone tells me that they waste time talking
> to an imaginary friend -- regardless of what kind
> (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu) -- he loses all
> credibility in my eyes.
>
> Why would you believe this horseshit? Virgins who
> bear the son of God in a stable? Burning bushes? A
> talking snake? (sorry BEH)
>
> At least the Hindus have some creative stories --
> You see the god Ganesh all over India, the one
> with an elephant head. He is the son of Shiva and
> when he came home to see his wife after 20 years,
> his son Ganesh didn't recognize him and tried to
> stop him from entering his mother's house. Shiva
> said, "Bullshit!" and cut the kid's head off. When
> his mom came out and saw what Shiva had done, she
> put an elephant's head on his torso...
>
> At least that is an interesting story.
>
> The Jewish stories from the Old Testament are all
> about a pissed off God killing people. The
> Christian New Testament is a discombobulated mess
> because it was edited so hard by the Constantine
> to make it into a state religion. Muhammed in
> Islam really never did shit except unite a bunch
> of desert nomads. His sole connection to God was
> that he sat in a cave near Mecca and heard voices.
> Then one night he flew up to heaven and then to
> Jerusalem and back. It was during this time he
> made a pact with the devil supposedly (hence the
> "Satanic Verses").
>
> All of this is a bunch of fairytales that people
> are supposed to tell their children to make them
> eat their vegetables and sit up straight. At least
> when you lie to them about Santa Claus, you tell
> them that they will get presents on Christmas if
> they behave.
>
> How is it that grown adults believe this nonsense?
> Don't we have schools that teach physics,
> mathematics, biology, reasoning?
>
> People make such a big deal that the Mormons are a
> cult because they wear magic underwear and say
> that Jesus appeared to the American Indians in the
> 3rd Century A.D. -- and that Joseph Smith found
> gold tablets in his attic. Seriously, THAT is
> cultish? That shit is just as believable as all
> the rest of the nonsense.
>
> Next time someone wants to preach to you about
> their religion, tell them a made up story about a
> rock you pray to in your backyard. Go on and on
> about how much enlightenment it has brought to you
> -- how much comfort you get from the rock -- how
> you will pray to the rock to save that person's
> soul. The more they persist, the more you should
> get animated about the fire and brimstone that
> brought the ROCK into existence and how they
> should repent now.


The next time an atheist starts preaching to you, tell him how you chopped up the last one into little pieces and fed him to your dog.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Christianity has been used to justify The
> Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust and
> slavery. It's not the religion that is the issue.
> It's the people who choose to manipulate it and
> the people who follow who choose to believe. That
> goes for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and any other
> religion or belief system.


Put a sock in it!

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Christianity has been used to justify The
> Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust and
> slavery. It's not the religion that is the issue.
> It's the people who choose to manipulate it and
> the people who follow who choose to believe. That
> goes for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and any other
> religion or belief system.


+500000000000000

damn straight Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Christianity has been used to justify The
> > Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust and
> > slavery. It's not the religion that is the
> issue.
> > It's the people who choose to manipulate it and
> > the people who follow who choose to believe.
> That
> > goes for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and any
> other
> > religion or belief system.
>
>
> +500000000000000


ATHEISTS GOTTA HATE!

(and clap for themselves)

angryAtheists Wrote:
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> damn straight Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Christianity has been used to justify The
> > > Crusades, The Inquisition, The Holocaust and
> > > slavery. It's not the religion that is the
> > issue.
> > > It's the people who choose to manipulate it
> and
> > > the people who follow who choose to believe.
> > That
> > > goes for Islam, Judaism, Mormonism and any
> > other
> > > religion or belief system.
> >
> >
> > +500000000000000
>
>
> ATHEISTS GOTTA HATE!
>
> (and clap for themselves)

Posting anon? You are one creepy Catholic nut, Alias

before all the nice rooms are gone

check yourself into a hospital, eesh Wrote:
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> before all the nice rooms are gone


Pray hard tonight for some kind of life or man.

Pray hard for a manikin to fall off her display.

Alias Wrote:
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> The next time an atheist starts preaching to you,
> tell him how you chopped up the last one into
> little pieces and fed him to your dog.


The harvest is in: God bless the bean and fig!

white punks on dope Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
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> > The next time an atheist starts preaching to
> you,
> > tell him how you chopped up the last one into
> > little pieces and fed him to your dog.
>
>
> The harvest is in: God bless the bean and fig!


Bean and fig? I don't get it.
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Truth be with you Wrote:
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> Vexxxed Wrote:
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> > Truth be with you Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > JBass Wrote:
> > > -------------------You think Muslim women are
> > > comfortable with who
> > > > they are? Thats fucking laughable. For
> that
> > > > matter, I doubt most of the girls here in
> > > america
> > > > are either. They are both completely mind
> > > fucked
> > > > by society.
> > >
> > >
> > > Muslim women are very happy, peacefull and
> > often
> > > sexy. They cannot understand the
> > American-Christan
> > > history of violence and hate. Most Muslim
> women
> > > feel sorry american women.
> >
> >
> > If you are going to be completely full of shit,
> > please do so with with facts.
> >
> > 711 - Muslims invade Spain and Portugal.
> >
> > 1096 - The first crusade was launched to avenge
> > the slaughter of 3000 Christian pilgrims in
> > Jerusalem.
> >
> > 2012 - Idiot trolls parrot bullshit they've
> been
> > force fed and get it completely wrong.
>
>
> Compare that with the history of the most violent
> people on the planet, the Christians!
>
>
>
>
>
> Christian Violence in History
>
> The horrible truth is that, numerically and
> statistically speaking, Christian Civilization is
> the bloodiest and most violent of all
> civilizations in all of history, and is
> responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
> Even so, Muslims will never associate this
> violence and blood bath with the teachings of
> Jesus (peace be on him).
>
> Saint Augustine’s cognite intrare (“lead them
> in”—i.e. “force them to convert”). In fact
> the Qur’an says the exact opposite: There is no
> compulsion in religion ( 2:256 ). Augustine’s
> frightening idea that all must be compelled to
> “conform” to the “true Christian faith”
> has unleashed centuries of unparalleled bloodshed.
> Indeed, Christians have suffered more under the
> rule of Christian civilization than under pre-
> Christian Roman rule or any other rule in history.
> Millions were tortured and slaughtered in the name
> of Christianity during the periods of the Arian,
> Donatist and Albigensian heresies
> The Crusades The European armies were saying, as
> they slaughtered both Christian and Muslim Arabs:
> “Kill them all, God will know his own.”
> Europe's Reformation and Counter Reformation Era
> Two thirds of the Christian population of Europe
> was slaughtered by Christians
> The African slave trade Claimed the lives of 10
> million
> The Colonial Conquests Estimates for the number of
> Native Americans slaughtered by the Europeans in
> North, Central and South America run as high as 20
> million within three generations.
> The 20 th century's Western Civilization took
> warfare to new extremes A conservative estimate
> puts the total number of brutal deaths in the 20
> th century at more than 250 million. Of these,
> Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million
> deaths. Christians, or those coming from Christian
> backgrounds account for more than 200 million of
> these! The greatest death totals come from World
> War I (about 20 million, at least 90 % of which
> were inflicted by “Christians”) and World War
> II ( 90 million, at least 50% of which were
> inflicted by “Christians,” the majority of the
> rest occurring in the Far East). Given this grim
> history, it appears that we Europeans must all
> come to grips with the fact that Islamic
> civilization has actually been incomparably less
> brutal than Christian civilization. Did the
> Holocaust of over 6 million Jews occur out of the
> background of a Muslim Civilization?
> In the 20th century alone
>
> Western and/or Christian powers have been
> responsible for at least twenty times more deaths
> than have Muslim powers. In this most brutal of
> centuries, we created incomparably more civilian
> casualties than have Muslims in the whole of
> Islamic history.
> In the 20th century, Rawanda, 1994 Witness the
> slaughter of 900,000 Rwandans in 1994 in a
> population that was over 90 % Christian
> 1992-1995 Bosnia The genocide of over 300,000
> Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim
> women by Christian Serbs
> Western popular culture It should also be
> mentioned that although Islam has the concept of
> legitimate war in self-defense (as does
> Christianity, and even Buddhism), nowhere in
> Islamic culture (or in other cultures that survive
> today) is there latent the idealization, and
> perhaps idolization, of violence that exists in
> Western Culture. Westerners think of themselves as
> peaceful, but in fact the gentleness and sublimity
> of the New Testament, and the peace-loving nature
> of the principles of democracy, are scarcely
> reflected in Western popular culture. Rather, the
> entire inclination of popular culture— Hollywood
> movies, Western television, video games, popular
> music and sports entertainment—is to glorify and
> inculcate violence. Accordingly, the relative
> rates of murder (especially random and serial
> murder) are higher in the Western World
> (particularly in the U.S., but even in Europe,
> taken as a whole) than they are in the Islamic
> world in counties that are not suffering civil
> wars, and this true despite the much greater
> wealth of the West.


WOW that is some very good and very eye opening information.

Truth be with you Wrote:
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A HIGHLY FICTIONAL VIEW OF HISTORY

The sad truth is regardless of belief or nonbelief, man has been extremely violent to his fellow man. For example, some scholars believe the wars of the Muslim ruler Timur may have resulted in more deaths than the Thirty Years War or World War I. The wars of Genghis Khan supposedly caused more deaths than any war except WW2 (to which the non-European Japanese made a significant contribution). However we've been fairly good at killing off large numbers of people without going to war. Witness for example the death tolls from Stalin and Mao's policies as well as those caused by European colonialism. One of the joys of the industrial revolution is that we can do it on a much larger scale than ever before. If you think your race or religion hasn't caused the same level of mortality as others, chances are either you don't know much about your race or religion, or it just hasn't had the same chance.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Truth be with you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> A HIGHLY FICTIONAL VIEW OF HISTORY
>
> The sad truth is regardless of belief or
> nonbelief, man has been extremely violent to his
> fellow man. For example, some scholars believe
> the wars of the Muslim ruler Timur may have
> resulted in more deaths than the Thirty Years War
> or World War I. The wars of Genghis Khan
> supposedly caused more deaths than any war except
> WW2 (to which the non-European Japanese made a
> significant contribution). However we've been
> fairly good at killing off large numbers of people
> without going to war. Witness for example the
> death tolls from Stalin and Mao's policies as well
> as those caused by European colonialism. One of
> the joys of the industrial revolution is that we
> can do it on a much larger scale than ever before.
> If you think your race or religion hasn't caused
> the same level of mortality as others, chances are
> either you don't know much about your race or
> religion, or it just hasn't had the same chance.



That was a good point Bill.
humans have been killing other humans throughout the history of humanity. It is a normal and natural turn of events for us.

An entire thread full of dweebs who've never been out of their own home towns unless the power elite sent them halfway around the world to murder peasants telling us all about people they don't know the first thing about.

Muslims are this. I read one sentence of the Koran and it means ....

Muslims do that. Muslims think this. Yeah right.
Like you know anything about it.

There are a billion muslims chump. What you THINK you know about them is most likely artfully placed propaganda to keep you the elite's junkyard dogs.

Some of you know all about Muslims because you've had a few of them in your gunsights. I bow deeply to your expertise. (sarcasm)

Most of you know nothing about your own history or literature. You're on here telling each other all about what you know nothing of.

You funny Joe.

thefreckleonyersistersleftboob Wrote:
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> An entire thread full of dweebs who've never been
> out of their own home towns unless the power elite
> sent them halfway around the world to murder
> peasants telling us all about people they don't
> know the first thing about.
>
> Muslims are this. I read one sentence of the
> Koran and it means ....
>
> Muslims do that. Muslims think this. Yeah right.
>
> Like you know anything about it.
>
> There are a billion muslims chump. What you THINK
> you know about them is most likely artfully placed
> propaganda to keep you the elite's junkyard dogs.
>
> Some of you know all about Muslims because you've
> had a few of them in your gunsights. I bow deeply
> to your expertise. (sarcasm)
>
> Most of you know nothing about your own history or
> literature. You're on here telling each other all
> about what you know nothing of.
>
> You funny Joe.
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Is that the best you can do?

You make no argument because you are ignorant. So you put up a cartoon.

You funny and ignorant Joe.