http://abcnews.go.com/US/rutgers-tyler-clementi-suicide-trial-begins-today-dahrun/story?id=15776275#.T0edZuWtuSo

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/02/06/120206fa_fact_parker



Exactly how is the Indian student being charged with a hate crme? How is he considered a cyber-bully?


The Indian posted the webcam video of his room mate with another guy, the kid gets embarrassed and jumps off a bridge....


This is no Matthew Shepard tragedy.

Blessed are the murderous.

I agree its no Matthew Shepard, but what the guy did was pretty despicable, regardless.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I agree its no Matthew Shepard, but what the guy
> did was pretty despicable, regardless.


Being despicable doesnt make it a crime.

JBass Wrote:
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> Being despicable doesnt make it a crime.


No, but it's worthy of a severe ass beating.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> > Being despicable doesnt make it a crime.
>
>
> No, but it's worthy of a severe ass beating.


The victim already had his ass pounded. Will pounding another ass bring him back?

Matthew Shepard was a tragedy? More like a good start...

This sauasge-swallower just had issues to start with. No one in his right mind leaps off a bridge over a little embarassment. He'd have done it sooner or later.

Huh?? Wrote:
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> Matthew Shepard was a tragedy? More like a good
> start...
>
> This sauasge-swallower just had issues to start
> with. No one in his right mind leaps off a bridge
> over a little embarassment. He'd have done it
> sooner or later.

Hopefully the next time you hit on a girl who doesn't like you, she and her friend will beat you and leave you to die tied to a fence post, fuckwad.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Huh?? Wrote:
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> > Matthew Shepard was a tragedy? More like a
> good
> > start...
> >
> > This sauasge-swallower just had issues to start
> > with. No one in his right mind leaps off a
> bridge
> > over a little embarassment. He'd have done it
> > sooner or later.
>
> Hopefully the next time you hit on a girl who
> doesn't like you, she and her friend will beat you
> and leave you to die tied to a fence post,
> fuckwad.

Looks like someone has a fudgepacker for a son.....

Oh, btw, you might want to look into the facts of the case. They didn't kill Shepard because he hit on them. They just wanted to rob him. In fact, they pretended to be gay in order to gain Shepard's trust. They tried the gay panic defense, but it crumbled under the testimony at trial. But that doesn't sound like a good enough reason to enact hate crime legislation, so they sold the other story to an unintelligent public. Looks like you fell for it.

You have no idea of the torture a lot of gay guys go through in coming to terms with who they are. Largely the result of people like the previous posters. In particular, fathers who cannot accept their sons and sons who cannot tell their fathers because they know that they will be condemned.

It may not take much to push someone who is dealing with this internal conflict over the edge - which is exactly what this guy did. He's charged with a hate crime, and that's what this was.

ITs a college prank. Get over it.

^fucking dumbass. I'm sure you'd love if people told you to "get over it" if the victim were your child.

I don't think this loser will be found guilty, but hopefully he'll be publicly scorned until the day he dies.

^ The point is that it was an error in judgement not an attempt at his life. He didnt drive the kid to the bridge nor tell him to jump. If the kid was unstable enough to kill himself, who are you to say it was the roommates fault?

How about some personal responsibility and we stop raising occu-todlers. Jesus fucking christ. Next we will prosecute kids for calling other kids, fat, stupid, foru-eyes. Where does it stop. Fuck me, there are over 300 million people in this country. People are going to die in all sorts of ways.

If this Indian dude is guilty, Ding an Sich is guilty of persuading that kid to kill himself a few weeks ago.

betterthanyoubitch Wrote:
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> ^fucking dumbass. I'm sure you'd love if people
> told you to "get over it" if the victim were your
> child.

If the "victim" were my son caught playing hide-the-weenie
with some other guy, he'd not have time to throw himself off
of a bridge. I'd be tossing him off myself.

It's a bad lifestyle to choose.

My buddy P bangs fat chicks like every weekend. We rag on him to no end but he doesnt jump off bridges, just on another gernane next Friday night.

I think the case is a very sad one. The good thing is that everyone is getting more educated on the issues in regards to bullying.

Full Disclosure: I work at a company, uKnow.com, which offers a parental intelligence service that helps parents alerting them if their teen is a victim of bullying on the social networks or mobile phone.. Parents can create a free account at www.uKnowKids.com

JBass Wrote:
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> My buddy P bangs fat chicks like every weekend. We
> rag on him to no end but he doesnt jump off
> bridges, just on another gernane next Friday
> night.


People aren't mercilessly bullied, scorned, and outcasted for banging fat chicks. Coming out as gay can ruin somebody's life if it's at the wrong time, because of homophobic fuckwads like the anon two posts up.

Bullying sucks but this guy committed suicide on his own and I'm not a big fan of "hate crimes" laws.

Either it's a crime or it’s not.

If he had taped a girl without her knowledge having sex with another male student he sure as hell would go to jail. This college kid taped his roommates private life and posted it on the internet. Guilty. I hope he gets fucked up the ass in jail too.

Guilty Wrote:
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> If he had taped a girl without her knowledge
> having sex with another male student he sure as
> hell would go to jail. This college kid taped his
> roommates private life and posted it on the
> internet. Guilty. I hope he gets fucked up the ass
> in jail too.


Are you retarded. There is no law anywhere that prohibit a person from taping inside their own residence. They also own said footage and may do what they want with it. Fact.

the grammar police Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
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> > My buddy P bangs fat chicks like every weekend.
> We
> > rag on him to no end but he doesnt jump off
> > bridges, just on another gernane next Friday
> > night.
>
>
> People aren't mercilessly bullied, scorned, and
> outcasted for banging fat chicks.

You clearly dont know me and my friends.

He taped his roommate without his knowledge. It is not his residence. The dorm belongs to the college.

Cannot Wrote:
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> He taped his roommate without his knowledge. It is
> not his residence. The dorm belongs to the
> college.


Thats like saying my apartment is not my residence, it belongs to my landlord. The right to film and distribute said film has been upheld time and time again. He has not been charged with anything related to the taping itself because the act itself was not a crime.

the grammar police Wrote:
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> Coming out as
> gay can ruin somebody's life if it's at the wrong
> time, because of homophobic fuckwads like the anon
> two posts up.

Then keep it in the closet, or better yet, stop doing
it! What gave this moron the idea that slurping the
salami in the dorm was a good idea? Bad lifestyle choice.

He killed himself. No one threw him off that bridge.
No one made the decision that he should die except for
him.

Parents need a service that tells them if their kids
are involved in things like this that will lead to them
offing themselves once others find out.

As for the "victim", Darwin at work!

P.S. You sound like a fudgepacker, too.

Real Man Wrote:
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> the grammar police Wrote:
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> > Coming out as
> > gay can ruin somebody's life if it's at the
> wrong
> > time, because of homophobic fuckwads like the
> anon
> > two posts up.
>
> Then keep it in the closet, or better yet, stop
> doing
> it! What gave this moron the idea that slurping
> the
> salami in the dorm was a good idea? Bad lifestyle
> choice.
>
> He killed himself. No one threw him off that
> bridge.
> No one made the decision that he should die except
> for
> him.
>
> Parents need a service that tells them if their
> kids
> are involved in things like this that will lead to
> them
> offing themselves once others find out.
>
> As for the "victim", Darwin at work!
>
> P.S. You sound like a fudgepacker, too.


You are just an ignorant dumbfuck, sir. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you're Evangelical, mostly like going to that mega-church in Mclain.


EVERY study ever done shows that being "gay" has genetic roots, and is not a "choice". Maybe one day you'll be able to think for yourself, get your head out of your ass, and google a topic before you start slewing shit anonymously.

JBass Wrote:
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> Guilty Wrote:
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> > If he had taped a girl without her knowledge
> > having sex with another male student he sure as
> > hell would go to jail. This college kid taped
> his
> > roommates private life and posted it on the
> > internet. Guilty. I hope he gets fucked up the
> ass
> > in jail too.
>
>
> Are you retarded. There is no law anywhere that
> prohibit a person from taping inside their own
> residence. They also own said footage and may do
> what they want with it. Fact.


JBass, you're actually wrong.. He had a resonable expectation of privacy, even though they share the room. Also the fact that the Indian guy was trying to spy on him is a crucial point, showing intent. Invasion of privacy it is. I don't know if what he did is illegal in NJ, but it definitely is in other states.

I don't think the Indian guy is guilty of murder.. but they should throw the book at him for any privacy violations. Perhaps cyber bullying because the Indian guy did distribute the content over the internet in an attempt to harass or intimidate the dead kid.

 



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One of these days, one (or more) of you sanctimonious, right-wing Republican nutjobs are going to have a kid who is gay - or who gets knocked up - or who has a substance abuse problem. What are you going to do - flush the kid down the toilet? And don't say you'll bring them up "right" (in your own small-minded bigoted way). If your little princess gets pregnant outside of wedlock, you'll be the first in line at the abortion clinic. Talk is cheap, assholes.

Bunch of Assholes Wrote:
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> One of these days, one (or more) of you
> sanctimonious, right-wing Republican nutjobs are
> going to have a kid who is gay - or who gets
> knocked up - or who has a substance abuse problem.
> What are you going to do - flush the kid down the
> toilet? And don't say you'll bring them up "right"
> (in your own small-minded bigoted way). If your
> little princess gets pregnant outside of wedlock,
> you'll be the first in line at the abortion
> clinic. Talk is cheap, assholes.


plus juan

What the guy did was terrible, but he shouldnt do serious time for it....


Someone CHOSE to commit suicide. He was a victim of a horrible prank/outing. His friends and family are the victims of the suicide.

lizzie Wrote:
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> He should do 26 years like George Huguely.
> Although he didn't mean for the guy to die, he
> did. End of story.


The Indian kid didnt maul a smaller member of the opposite sex....It was a horrible joke...Similar to hazing gone too far..Only it was only emotional harm.

First off, young people really are not that mean to gays anymore. People will ignore them, or just be friendly. However it does seem as though every younger gay person seems to bring alot on themselves. Like being extremely loud, wearing provacative outfits, or just doing borderline retarded things most normal people wouldn't do (start yelling randomly, etc.) I don't know if there have been studies linking homosexuality to IQ, but I would be interested. Second, the video didn't ruin the kids life. Nowadays, it is very easy to tell which people are gay, being that most flaunt it, use lisp, do stereotypically gay things. So being caught in the act of something you do makes you want to kill yourself? Appears to just be a weak minded individual. Anyways R.I.P.

I'm sure the Indian guy's emotional pain from all of this is much worse than the guy who killed himself. So if I get poop in public and the video is placed online, and I'm in emotional pain from that, should I kill myself and blame the poster?He shouldn't go to jail, but should have to put in community service talking to kids about bullying etc. Although that won't do that much good, because kids will just turn the TV on later and watch garbage like Jersey Shore, Bad Girls Club, Kim K, etc.

lizzie Wrote:
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> > lizzie Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > He should do 26 years like George Huguely.
> > > Although he didn't mean for the guy to die,
> he
> > > did. End of story.
> >
> >
> > The Indian kid didnt maul a smaller member of
> the
> > opposite sex....It was a horrible
> joke...Similar
> > to hazing gone too far..Only it was only
> emotional
> > harm.
>
> And George accidentally killed her, what's your
> point?


Accidentally hit her? LOL!

You still are not grasping that the gay dude was never physically assaulted.

lizzie Wrote:
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> where did I say accidentally hit her? I said
> accidentally killed her. He meant to give her an
> ass whopping and she got it, she died because she
> mixed booze with pills, her fault and wtf are you
> on? I'm not grasping that the fag was never
> ASSulted? I didn't say that. I SAID IF George got
> 26 years this terrorist fuck deserves 26 too.
> Guess you still haven't grasped that I was trying
> to DRIFT to unfair punishment. Get it now?


I didnt read your post correctly..my bad..

Terrorist? No. Just and asshole and a shitty human being..Maybe just a young dickhead who didnt realize his joke wasnt funny.



I dont think 26 was excessive for hughley.

lizzie Wrote:
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> Okay, and that's called a difference of opinion.
> Because I do. The end.


Anytime a fully grown man decides to physically harm a female (not in self defense) it should be treated this way....Do you realize how easy it is for a grown man to kill a 120lb woman?



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Festo Otis Wrote:
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> First off, young people really are not that mean
> to gays anymore. People will ignore them, or just
> be friendly.

You can honestly say that after seeing the hatred on here???

> However it does seem as though every
> younger gay person seems to bring alot on
> themselves. Like being extremely loud, wearing
> provacative outfits, or just doing borderline
> retarded things most normal people wouldn't do
> (start yelling randomly, etc.) I don't know if
> there have been studies linking homosexuality to
> IQ, but I would be interested.

This is just stupid.

> Second, the video
> didn't ruin the kids life. Nowadays, it is very
> easy to tell which people are gay, being that most
> flaunt it, use lisp, do stereotypically gay
> things.

You are just plain wrong on this one. There are MANY gay guys who you would never know were gay.

> So being caught in the act of something
> you do makes you want to kill yourself? Appears to
> just be a weak minded individual. Anyways R.I.P.

How would you feel if you were filmed masturbating and your little pecker was blasted all over the internet? Would you be a "weak minded individual" if you were shattered by that?

Nothing personal, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

1. I said young people. Say, under the age of 30. Since we do not know poster's age here, or even whether or not we are dealing with a single poster pretending to be many, your point is useless.

2. You said my point on them being loud and excessive is stupid, have you been around younger gay people? I'm talking about YOUNG, not middle age closeted individuals.

3. It is very easy to tell. Younger people have a very good idea whether or not someone young is gay. I'm going to assume you are older. Older people, sure, it may be hard to identify. But being gay is more accepted amongst younger people.

4. If I was filmed in an embarassing situation, I would lauhg it off. But that's just me. Yes, if I wanted to kill myself for it, I would be weak-minded. What is more weak-minded than killing yourself?

Respectfully,

1. Most of the people who post here are guys under 30 - with the exception, of course, of JBass. I recognize that being gay does not have quite the stigma that it used to, but it still isn't easy.

2. Yes, I have been around young gay people. And, by the way, I'm a middle-aged female who has had multiple gay male friends.

3. No, trust me, it isn't always easy to tell. There are many guys who are masculine and gay. These are the ones who have the hardest time of it, since no one realizes that they are gay. Which makes it harder for them to find partners. It also makes it harder to hear other guys talk about "fags".

4. I really can't believe that anyone would laugh something off like that.

I realize that you mean well. But I've been privy to a whole lot of pain.

Fucked up.

Lots of stupid in this thread...

no. lots of faags and fag haaters

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> Are you retarded. There is no law anywhere that
> prohibit a person from taping inside their own
> residence. They also own said footage and may do
> what they want with it. Fact.

It depends on what you're videotaping. If you hide a video camera in the bathroom of your own house and record girls taking a piss in the bathroom, you've committed a misdemeanor, according to Virginia law § 18.2-386.1.A, to wit:

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly and intentionally videotape, photograph, or film any nonconsenting person or create any videographic or still image record by any means whatsoever of the nonconsenting person if (i) that person is totally nude, clad in undergarments, or in a state of undress so as to expose the genitals, pubic area, buttocks or female breast in a restroom, dressing room, locker room, hotel room, motel room, tanning bed, tanning booth, bedroom or other location; or (ii) the videotape, photograph, film or videographic or still image record is created by placing the lens or image-gathering component of the recording device in a position directly beneath or between a person's legs for the purpose of capturing an image of the person's intimate parts or undergarments covering those intimate parts when the intimate parts or undergarments would not otherwise be visible to the general public; and when the circumstances set forth in clause (i) or (ii) are otherwise such that the person being videotaped, photographed, filmed or otherwise recorded would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

The law here applies based upon the victim's expectation of privacy, not on who owns or legally resides in a place.

Obviously, this is a Virginia law, and has no bearing on the case in New Jersey, but the point is that you are wrong: you do not have the right to videotape someone, even if they're on your property, in the circumstances given in the statute.