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Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: spiderbites ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:27PM

I thought I saw a black widow on my porch the other day when I was cleaning. It was near my shed. I was very scared of it. I never seen a brown recluse, but I think a friend of mine has but they live out near Roanoke. It was in their barn. I think those are the only two bad spiders we have in Virginia, correct?

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Raptured ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:35PM

I've seen plenty of Black Widows in my suburban Sully Station garage. Pretty shiny black, red hourglass, really messy web, the whole bit.

Black Widows carry a nasty bite but that's about it - they're more afraid of you then you are of them.

black-widow-spider-1.jpg

I haven't OVERTLY seen a Brown recluse but, then again, I wouldn't know one UNTIL it came up and bit me. I easily can believe the same garage (and maybe wood pile out back) have these spiders.

brown-recluse-spider.jpg

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Raptured ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:39PM

A Brown Recluse spider bite is...unfriendly:

http://www.e-bug.net/pests/brownrecluse.shtml

brownreclusebite1.jpg

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Oh sure ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:41PM

They like those areas between fences and shed. Bear in mind, I've seen hundreds in San Diego, I lived near canyons, that not all of them have a perfect hour glass marking in red. Some I've seen with blotches of red or red spots. The thing is the jet black, large round abd. area is constant. They look like a classic spider, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Raptured ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:47PM

Reading the above-posted link about Brown Recluses suggest only the westernmost tip of Virginia has them.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: ginger ()
Date: July 04, 2011 12:55PM

Black Widows are actually very pretty, almost metallic in color, all spiders do more good then harm, they have a bum rap like most snakes. The brown recluse is just that reclusive, they hide in dark places like shoes.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Alot of spiders ()
Date: July 04, 2011 01:00PM

Raptured Wrote:
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> A Brown Recluse spider bite is...unfriendly:
>
> http://www.e-bug.net/pests/brownrecluse.shtml
>
>


You could get tissue death from a number of spiders, if your allergic,it is not limited to the venimous species. The bad thing about venimous is the ability to kill people. Rare, but it still exist.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: postpoppunk ()
Date: July 04, 2011 01:03PM

GREAT!!!! --- Now I have to vacuum my shoes EVERY-TIME I put them on....

With all the hate and evil on FFXU this is the thread that put a chill in my spine.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: No not really ()
Date: July 04, 2011 01:08PM

Just bang them heel down before you put them on. Also the spider is so soft that you crush them and they cant bite through socks. Scorpions are a whole other story though.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Poopybutt ()
Date: July 04, 2011 01:15PM

Some interesting info taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latrodectus

"The female black widow's bite is particularly harmful to humans because of its unusually large venom glands. Latrodectus bites rarely kill human beings."

"Not all adult female black widows exhibit the red hourglass on their abdomen—some may have a pair of red spots or have no marking at all, but any markings that are present are bright red. Adult male black widows are a quarter the size of the female, and are usually gray or brown rather than black and red; while they may sometimes have an hourglass marking on their abdomen, it is usually yellow or white, not red. The bite of a male black widow is not considered dangerous to humans; it is the bite of the adult female black widow from her much larger venom sacs that has given this spider its dangerous reputation. While there is great variation in specifics by species and by gender, any spider exhibiting a red hourglass on the abdomen and having a shiny black body is an adult female black widow."

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Oh sure ()
Date: July 04, 2011 01:23PM

Poopybutt Wrote:
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> Some interesting info taken from
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latrodectus
>
> "The female black widow's bite is particularly
> harmful to humans because of its unusually large
> venom glands. Latrodectus bites rarely kill human
> beings."
>
> "Not all adult female black widows exhibit the red
> hourglass on their abdomen—some may have a pair
> of red spots or have no marking at all, but any
> markings that are present are bright red. Adult
> male black widows are a quarter the size of the
> female, and are usually gray or brown rather than
> black and red; while they may sometimes have an
> hourglass marking on their abdomen, it is usually
> yellow or white, not red. The bite of a male black
> widow is not considered dangerous to humans; it is
> the bite of the adult female black widow from her
> much larger venom sacs that has given this spider
> its dangerous reputation. While there is great
> variation in specifics by species and by gender,
> any spider exhibiting a red hourglass on the
> abdomen and having a shiny black body is an adult
> female black widow."


I've seen them in Terrerasanta, San Diego with no red at all. But you can't get away from it's shape and the shiny blackness of it's body. It sort of signals to you "don't fuck with me".

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Rebecca ()
Date: July 04, 2011 02:24PM

I've seen lots of black widow spiders around my house. Fortunately they have all been outside. Had one under the handle of my mailbox. I even touched one that was in the tall grass growing around the trunk of a tree when I was pulling the grass. They are very easy to recognize.

I hate hate hate spiders. I figure they are all hanging around my house because they know they scare me to death.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: July 04, 2011 02:28PM

Yeah, we had a whole heap of Black Widows in a wood pile a few years ago, and a family member was bitten once (They said it hurt worse than anything else, immense shooting pain, etc.).

As for Brown Recluses, I can't always tell if the spider I'm looking at is just a brown spider, or a Recluse.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Mark Trail ()
Date: July 04, 2011 03:20PM

All spiders look the same to me after I squash them with my shoe.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: teri~ ()
Date: July 04, 2011 03:42PM

Raptured Wrote:
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they're more afraid of you then you are of
> them.


i doubt it

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Spiders are cool ()
Date: July 04, 2011 04:08PM

I always liked spiders, especially jumping spiders, they are so inquisitive, if you put your finger near one they don't retreat but turn and face it, sorta examine it. Actually some are rather pretty like garden spiders. The most aggressive I find are spiders that are found in cellars oe dark dank areas like un der logs, they could attack but are not venomous, not the cellar spiders that look like daddy-long-legs, but the ones that don't make webs and rely on ambush like a wolf-spider, in fact they resemble wolf spiders. Think Spiders!!!

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Date: July 04, 2011 05:41PM

Black widows are pretty commonplace. I kill one or two a year.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 04, 2011 06:42PM

Black Widows have a worse reputation than they deserve... They only kill infants, old folks, and unhealthy adults... Most likely, you will not die from a Black Widow bite...

Brown Recluse bites, however, are the stuff of nightmares...

Signatures are for fags

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Don't be too sure Einstein ()
Date: July 04, 2011 06:49PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Black Widows have a worse reputation than they
> deserve... They only kill infants, old folks, and
> unhealthy adults... Most likely, you will not die
> from a Black Widow bite...
>
> Brown Recluse bites, however, are the stuff of
> nightmares...


Many adults have died from Black Widow bites due to an allergic reaction, such as many adults have died from bee stings. It's best, until it can be confirmed to keep a cautionary approach when dealing with these creatures and bear in mind you could have a reaction. Better safe then.........Dead.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 04, 2011 07:07PM

Where did you get your information?

Don't be too sure Einstein Wrote:
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> Many adults have died from Black Widow bites due
> to an allergic reaction, such as many adults have
> died from bee stings. It's best, until it can be
> confirmed to keep a cautionary approach when
> dealing with these creatures and bear in mind you
> could have a reaction. Better safe
> then.........Dead.

Quote



Black Widow Spider Bites


The female black widow spider, though it is the most venomous spider in North America, seldom causes death as it injects a very small amount of poison when it bites. Reports indicate human mortality at well less than 1% from black widow spider bites.


How dangerous are black widow spider bites?

If a black widow spider bites a person, do not panic! No one in the United States has died from a black widow spider bite in over 10 years. Very often the black widow will not inject any venom into the bite and no serious symptoms develop. Wash the wound well with soap and water to help prevent infection.

If muscle cramps develop, take the patient to the nearest hospital. Some victims, especially young children, may be admitted overnight for observation and treatment.

There is treatment for a black widow spider bite that can take care of the symptoms. Various medications are used to treat the muscle cramps, spasms and pain of a bite. Black widow spider antivenin is seldom necessary.

(source: http://www.calpoision.org) Poison Contol Web Site


Signatures are for fags

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Shut up ()
Date: July 04, 2011 07:13PM

Don't be too sure Einstein Wrote:
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> Many adults have died from Black Widow bites due
> to an allergic reaction, such as many adults have
> died from bee stings. It's best, until it can be
> confirmed to keep a cautionary approach when
> dealing with these creatures and bear in mind you
> could have a reaction. Better safe
> then.........Dead.

Stop fear mongering, ya pussy!

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Don't be too ()
Date: July 04, 2011 07:15PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Where did you get your information?
>
> Don't be too sure Einstein Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Many adults have died from Black Widow bites
> due
> > to an allergic reaction, such as many adults
> have
> > died from bee stings. It's best, until it can
> be
> > confirmed to keep a cautionary approach when
> > dealing with these creatures and bear in mind
> you
> > could have a reaction. Better safe
> > then.........Dead.
>
>
> Black Widow Spider Bites
> The female black widow spider,
> though it is the most venomous spider in North
> America, seldom causes death as it injects a very
> small amount of poison when it bites. Reports
> indicate human mortality at well less than 1% from
> black widow spider bites.
>
>
> How dangerous are black widow
> spider bites?
>
> If a black widow spider bites
> a person, do not panic! No one in the United
> States has died from a black widow spider bite in
> over 10 years. Very often the black widow will not
> inject any venom into the bite and no serious
> symptoms develop. Wash the wound well with soap
> and water to help prevent infection.
>
> If muscle cramps develop,
> take the patient to the nearest hospital. Some
> victims, especially young children, may be
> admitted overnight for observation and treatment.
>
>
> There is treatment for a
> black widow spider bite that can take care of the
> symptoms. Various medications are used to treat
> the muscle cramps, spasms and pain of a bite.
> Black widow spider antivenin is seldom necessary.
>
> (source:
> http://www.calpoision.org) Poison Contol Web Site
>
>
1% is 1%, still they post very similar warning about shark attacks in Australia and the eastern seaboard. And remember we are talking about allergic reaction ,the immune system, which is different. That is not addressed in your post. Still, I see what you mean and you are right about that.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 04, 2011 07:18PM

Apology accepted...

Don't be too Wrote:
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> 1% is 1%, still they post very similar warning
> about shark attacks in Australia and the eastern
> seaboard. And remember we are talking about
> allergic reaction ,the immune system, which is
> different. That is not addressed in your post.
> Still, I see what you mean and you are right about
> that.

Signatures are for fags

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Black Widow Strikes Again ()
Date: July 23, 2011 10:16AM


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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: It's sad ()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:00PM

Black Widow Strikes Again Wrote:
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> Healthy, 40-year-old man dies "after getting
> bitten by a black widow spider"
>
> Got to keep her rep up.
>
> Coming for Tuttle next.


It's like a previous poster asserted and Tuttle got into a frizzy, some people will have an allergic reaction. Don't put too much stock in statistics they are misleading and change every day. Be adivsed, a Black Widow has the "potential" to kill. If I was that poster I'd tell Tuttle the "accepted apology" should be shoved up Harry's ass. Apology indeed!!

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Maybe they guy ()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:05PM

Black Widow Strikes Again Wrote:
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> Healthy, 40-year-old man dies "after getting
> bitten by a black widow spider"
>
> Got to keep her rep up.
>
> Coming for Tuttle next.


Maybe the guy read that Harry said Black Widows are harmless and trusted him. Chalk that one up to lesson's learned.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Date: July 23, 2011 12:11PM

Black Widow Strikes Again Wrote:
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> Healthy, 40-year-old man dies "after getting
> bitten by a black widow spider"
>
> Got to keep her rep up.
>
> Coming for Tuttle next.


The guy had 19 bites and didn't go to a doctor for two weeks. Still not sure the bites caused his death, but it was pretty fucking stupid on his part to not see a doctor sooner.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Date: July 23, 2011 12:12PM

Maybe they guy Wrote:
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> Black Widow Strikes Again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Healthy, 40-year-old man dies "after getting
> > bitten by a black widow spider"
> >
> > Got to keep her rep up.
> >
> > Coming for Tuttle next.
>
>
> Maybe the guy read that Harry said Black Widows
> are harmless and trusted him. Chalk that one up
> to lesson's learned.


Read the story. The guy had 19 bites and didn't go to the doctor and died two weeks later.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Need to keep it in the single digits ()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:24PM

If you avoid Black Widow areas, or keep the bites to a minimum, or avoid walking into multiple individual webs you should be OK. Would not be surprised if the guy failed to go the doctor cause he was under the impression the bites were not lethal given the statistics. Typical macho jock who is used to shrugging off pain.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Date: July 23, 2011 12:29PM

Need to keep it in the single digits Wrote:
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> If you avoid Black Widow areas, or keep the bites
> to a minimum, or avoid walking into multiple
> individual webs you should be OK. Would not be
> surprised if the guy failed to go the doctor cause
> he was under the impression the bites were not
> lethal given the statistics. Typical macho jock
> who is used to shrugging off pain.


He worked in a horse stable. He probably had them in his work boots. I always make sure to clean out my work shoes before working in the yard. You never know when those fuckers will be lurking in there.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Summer help ()
Date: July 23, 2011 12:37PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Need to keep it in the single digits Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you avoid Black Widow areas, or keep the
> bites
> > to a minimum, or avoid walking into multiple
> > individual webs you should be OK. Would not be
> > surprised if the guy failed to go the doctor
> cause
> > he was under the impression the bites were not
> > lethal given the statistics. Typical macho
> jock
> > who is used to shrugging off pain.
>
>
> He worked in a horse stable. He probably had them
> in his work boots. I always make sure to clean out
> my work shoes before working in the yard. You
> never know when those fuckers will be lurking in
> there.


Good practice, scorpions in the Midwest are always found nice and toasty in areas like that. Regardless, the point is, be wary of spider bites, any type, until you are sure that you are not allergic to the venom. I've seen common garden spider bites that necrosised the surrounding tissue and left large funnel shaped scars in the flesh that required a surgical intervention.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: PjKarl ()
Date: July 23, 2011 01:37PM

I had a friend who almost died as the result of just one bite from one of these buggers. Like the previous man stated, an allergic reaction to the venom, which was not anticipated. A good policy to follow is "when there is doubt, there should be no doubt about the stratgy". In other words always assume the worst might happen in any unknown.

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tx for any bite
Posted by: Lee Wenzel ()
Date: February 09, 2013 02:48AM

I've had and seen many bites and even brown recluse bites. The only treatment that really works is charcoal. If you are in a foreign country charcoal off the firewood works as well as mud like clay. Charcoal being the best infection and poison collector one can have, is available as easily as burning a piece of wood till it's charred. Also to kill a parasitic invasion one can use betadine which contains Iodine. It's very wise to use betadine on a bite as well as a charcoal poultice, first one then the other. Charcoal eliminates all that itching and saves the flesh from dying. Every home should have activated carbon (charcoal).

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: So Amazin' ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:42AM

This isn't one of Amazing's trick questions is it?


Did he know Dave Chapelle when he lived in P.G. County?

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: animalcontrol ()
Date: February 09, 2013 01:06PM

Brown recluses are not native in this part of Virginia- They are common though, in the Western and Southwestern parts of the state. I know several people out that way who have come into contact with them. Black widows are all over the US pretty much.

We do have copperheads and cottonmouths (water moccasins) in many areas of Virginia as well.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: woodstack ()
Date: July 22, 2013 11:59AM

yes, i was unloading a lot of 2x4 one hot summer afternoon and about 6 baby BR's ran all over my hand. no bites, lucky man i am.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: lolwtf ()
Date: July 22, 2013 12:48PM

Had a black widow that had a small web in front of my place a week ago actually. I usually don't mind spiders outside at all and sometimes even inside since they largely just die if there's nothing for them to eat. If they're alive they're probably helping out. With that said.. I just axed the black widow. Not worth the risk. I guess if they have the red hour glass they're the chicks.. so it wasn't a spider bro.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Atom ()
Date: July 22, 2013 05:57PM

Plenty of black widows. Brown recluse spiders are not found in this area.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2013 05:57PM by Atom.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: blah123 ()
Date: July 22, 2013 07:13PM

I live near Fair Oaks Mall. I've found about 15 in the last three years. The last one I actually found inside the house, in a window frame. That's the first one in the house so far. Here is a video of one I found back in December...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmWXT9ynR0

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: SFB ()
Date: July 22, 2013 07:21PM

That ain't no hourglass. That's two red dots.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Kw6Hc ()
Date: July 22, 2013 07:39PM

" In some varieties, the two halves of the hourglass shape may be separated into two separate dots."

http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/content/animals/animals/invertebrates/blackwidowspider.htm

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: July 22, 2013 10:38PM

Yes, the female black widows can be enormous, and I've seen brown recluses in Arizona. They like to hide in boots, I knew a guy that needed surgery on his bone marrow surgery because he slid on his boots and got bit by a brown recluse without knowing it.

Black widow venom is only dangerous to old people and kids, brown recluse poison will fuck up your day.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: Bug Facts ()
Date: July 24, 2013 12:22AM

Contrary to popular belief, the black widow aren't aggresive at all. Unless you have some sort of unfortunate (unlucky) accident, you'd really have to work to get one to bite you. I've seen people handle them before. (No I wouldn't recommend this).

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: CHL_LHE ()
Date: July 24, 2013 01:27AM

I almost got bit by a black widow in Florida when I was younger.

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: White widow ()
Date: July 24, 2013 06:04AM

What about a white widow?

Looks just like the black widow but not a red hour glass but a white hour glass?

I've seen tons of those..... Or are those the male black widows?

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Re: Have you ever seen a black widow or a brown recluse?
Posted by: via my balls ()
Date: July 21, 2023 01:34PM

I had a black widow on my dick last week.

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