Okay lawyer stalker
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Megan is often quite funny.
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Hi William. What was Sharon sitting on anyway?
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> Never ever happened Wrote:
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> > Megan was a MCF victim Wrote:
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> > > Megan was harassed by Moreno.
> >
> > Where? When? How so?
>
> Did you miss all the begging, pleading messages
> Miz sent to Megan? Did you miss when the Morenos
> dropped Megan like a used tampax after she lost
> her case? Did you miss when Miz then posted
> Megan's porn video in revenge? Did you miss when
> the Morenos used Megan's photo in court without
> her permission?

Lets not forget who dug up those porn pics originally, that is way above the skill level of Miz, that is an Eesh specialty.

So is peeps mom
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Eesh, Liz and MIz the retards Wrote:
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> Lets not forget who dug up those porn pics
> originally, that is way above the skill level of
> Miz, that is an Eesh specialty.

he simply asked megs ex bf for the pics. then posted them from his own name and was arrested.

Basl is a miserable SOB Wrote:
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> So is peeps mom

Peep's mom said Moreno is a bully, picking on a 15 year old kid
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low iq Wrote:
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> he simply asked megs ex bf for the pics. then
> posted them from his own name and was arrested.

Then he bragged about being arrested and posted the warrant right along with his ssn. He tried to edit it out but it was already too late.

Talk about stupid things to brag about and having a low IQ and low EQ.
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Don't give eesh to much credit. Megan's porn pics were on at least one other public website for a long time before they were posted here. Plenty of posters had already seen them.
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and only one retard was arrested and convicted for it
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Moreno attacked his own father with a knife and was arrested on FELONY ASSAULT charges
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and spent a week in jail on a felony and eesh did a MONTH for posting as a dead cat

–]SistaSabuda 10 points 14 hours ago
He's an idiot. He got arrested and bragged about it once he was released and posted his warrant on a forum....without redacting anything. Including his ssn.

https://www.reddit.com/r/punchablefaces/comments/3e713m/this_tough_guy/

guilty Wrote:
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> and only one retard was arrested and convicted
> for it

Except he was found NOT GUILTY
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Post a REAL mugshot. Not a shitty photshop of a picture from the post article.
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Eesh was Acquitted Wrote:
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> Except he was found NOT GUILTY

you don't have to appeal if you're found not guilty

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> –]SistaSabuda 10 points 14 hours ago
> He's an idiot. He got arrested and bragged about
> it once he was released and posted his warrant on
> a forum....without redacting anything. Including
> his ssn.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/punchablefaces/comments/3
> e713m/this_tough_guy/


Miz is the troll
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How obsessed with someone do you have to be to have multiple protective order violation convictions?
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Good morning. You're up early today.
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Obsessed with Moreno Wrote:
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> How obsessed with someone do you have to be to
> have multiple protective order violation
> convictions?
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William Moreno Arrest Record


William Robert Moreno
Moreno, William Robert
aliases: Frank Krow, Frank_Krow, Mr. Misery, Miz, jimmylegs, Voodooslut

known associates: Christopher James Tator, Chris Tator, Tator Tots

https://wtvr.com/2015/07/25/richmond-man-at-the-center-of-a-reign-of-terror-cyber-bulling-lawsuit/














William Moreno aka Mr. Misery aka Miz aka Frank Krow is a pedophile. There weren't just one or two posts, but enough to establish a clear and solid pattern. William Moreno also lived with a twice-convicted child molester named Christopher J, Tator, who he helped to evade the sex offender registry requirements. Chris Tator is now back in federal prison.

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William Robert Moreno
some children are very fuckable, let's face it

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/621429.html#msg-621429

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby in its tight little asshole. And he loved every minute of it.

allegedly.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/656161/656214.html#msg-656214

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William Robert Moreno
I'm about to fuck a baby in his soft spot.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636834.html#msg-636834

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William Robert Moreno
what, you don't wanna help me fuck this baby? we could do double penetration on this toddler bitch. one in each hole. lookit this little slut. she's just beggin' for it. watta fuckin whore.

suck mah dick bee-yotch.....

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636852.html#msg-636852

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William Robert Moreno
one time, I was fucking this baby up the ass, it was crying so I started shaking it. It stopped crying, I came inside it, put it back in its crib, then climbed out the window. I wonder what ever happened to that baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636766.html#msg-636766

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William Robert Moreno
I ate out a toddler's asshole tonight.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636769.html#msg-636769

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William Robert Moreno
hamtaro, wanna help me fuck this baby?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/632214.html#msg-632214

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William Robert Moreno
I raped a baby

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/625583.html#msg-625583

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William Robert Moreno
just got done fucking this baby......man was he sweet. I gave him a reach-around in his sweet little soft spot. It was soooooooooooooooo hot.

we watched Zooballee Zoo after I finished.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/632140/633879.html#msg-633879

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby...it was consensual

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/625479.html#msg-625479
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/626553.html#msg-626553

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William Robert Moreno
I wish I could have a baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/506690/506705.html#msg-506705

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William Robert Moreno
by the way, I just got done getting a blowjob from a 3 month-old, so I'm all tuckered out........see you guise tomaorrow.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/648453.html#msg-648453

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William Robert Moreno
I don't care if they are underage, I'll still fuck 'em. I'll rape all their highschool boy asses, one by one. I'll cum in each and every one of their gay boy asses, then we'll see who's gay. ... I'll tell ya that much, muchacho!!! I'LL BUTTFUCK EVERY ONE OF YA! 15, 16, 17, DOESN'T MATTER! I'LL ASS-RAPE YOU! I'M A FUCKING MAD MAN! I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES! ASK ANYONE ROUND HERE!

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/637654/637753.html#msg-637753

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William Robert Moreno
like, can you get in trouble in any way for just buying a copy of Tiger Beat? If you were a grown man let's say, and you were slightly overweight and had a beard and large glasses and you look a little funny, and you just went into a Walgreens and bought nothing but a copy of Tiger Beat....and maybe also a box of condoms. Could you get arrested based solely on your purchase? Is that probable cause or something? Or if you bought a Kidz Bop CD. Anything like that. If a grown man bought something of that sort, and he looked a little ugly and odd maybe, could he hypothetically get arrested for that?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777618.html#msg-777618

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William Robert Moreno
is it illegal for a grown man to attempt to have a serious conversation with a kindergarten child about politics or religion, if they are not related and just happen to be sitting next to each other on a park bench or something? Is it really illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777624.html#msg-777624

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William Robert Moreno
can a grown man and a little girl, unrelated and strangers to each other, have dinner together at a fancy restaurant? Legally? Let's say they meet outside the gym or something and decide to have dinner together, and that's it. That is the extent of the interaction. Is it illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777625.html#msg-777625






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Hi William. Wrote:
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> Good morning. You're up early today.

that's not a mugshot
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You can't even post a real mugshot.
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this is what a real mugshot looks like
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Hi William. Wrote:
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> William Moreno Arrest Record

Hahahahahahahah wow, someone sure is triggered

Miz, give it up.

He's very triggered.
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William thinks someone else is triggered. Hahaha


William Robert Moreno
Moreno, William Robert
aliases: Frank Krow, Frank_Krow, Mr. Misery, Miz, jimmylegs, Voodooslut

known associates: Christopher James Tator, Chris Tator, Tator Tots

https://wtvr.com/2015/07/25/richmond-man-at-the-center-of-a-reign-of-terror-cyber-bulling-lawsuit/














William Moreno aka Mr. Misery aka Miz aka Frank Krow is a pedophile. There weren't just one or two posts, but enough to establish a clear and solid pattern. William Moreno also lived with a twice-convicted child molester named Christopher J, Tator, who he helped to evade the sex offender registry requirements. Chris Tator is now back in federal prison.

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William Robert Moreno
some children are very fuckable, let's face it

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/621429.html#msg-621429

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby in its tight little asshole. And he loved every minute of it.

allegedly.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/656161/656214.html#msg-656214

Quote
William Robert Moreno
I'm about to fuck a baby in his soft spot.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636834.html#msg-636834

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William Robert Moreno
what, you don't wanna help me fuck this baby? we could do double penetration on this toddler bitch. one in each hole. lookit this little slut. she's just beggin' for it. watta fuckin whore.

suck mah dick bee-yotch.....

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636852.html#msg-636852

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William Robert Moreno
one time, I was fucking this baby up the ass, it was crying so I started shaking it. It stopped crying, I came inside it, put it back in its crib, then climbed out the window. I wonder what ever happened to that baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636766.html#msg-636766

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William Robert Moreno
I ate out a toddler's asshole tonight.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636769.html#msg-636769

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William Robert Moreno
hamtaro, wanna help me fuck this baby?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/632214.html#msg-632214

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William Robert Moreno
I raped a baby

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/625583.html#msg-625583

Quote
William Robert Moreno
just got done fucking this baby......man was he sweet. I gave him a reach-around in his sweet little soft spot. It was soooooooooooooooo hot.

we watched Zooballee Zoo after I finished.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/632140/633879.html#msg-633879

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby...it was consensual

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/625479.html#msg-625479
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/626553.html#msg-626553

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William Robert Moreno
I wish I could have a baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/506690/506705.html#msg-506705

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William Robert Moreno
by the way, I just got done getting a blowjob from a 3 month-old, so I'm all tuckered out........see you guise tomaorrow.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/648453.html#msg-648453

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William Robert Moreno
I don't care if they are underage, I'll still fuck 'em. I'll rape all their highschool boy asses, one by one. I'll cum in each and every one of their gay boy asses, then we'll see who's gay. ... I'll tell ya that much, muchacho!!! I'LL BUTTFUCK EVERY ONE OF YA! 15, 16, 17, DOESN'T MATTER! I'LL ASS-RAPE YOU! I'M A FUCKING MAD MAN! I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES! ASK ANYONE ROUND HERE!

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/637654/637753.html#msg-637753

Quote
William Robert Moreno
like, can you get in trouble in any way for just buying a copy of Tiger Beat? If you were a grown man let's say, and you were slightly overweight and had a beard and large glasses and you look a little funny, and you just went into a Walgreens and bought nothing but a copy of Tiger Beat....and maybe also a box of condoms. Could you get arrested based solely on your purchase? Is that probable cause or something? Or if you bought a Kidz Bop CD. Anything like that. If a grown man bought something of that sort, and he looked a little ugly and odd maybe, could he hypothetically get arrested for that?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777618.html#msg-777618

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William Robert Moreno
is it illegal for a grown man to attempt to have a serious conversation with a kindergarten child about politics or religion, if they are not related and just happen to be sitting next to each other on a park bench or something? Is it really illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777624.html#msg-777624

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William Robert Moreno
can a grown man and a little girl, unrelated and strangers to each other, have dinner together at a fancy restaurant? Legally? Let's say they meet outside the gym or something and decide to have dinner together, and that's it. That is the extent of the interaction. Is it illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777625.html#msg-777625






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Miz, give it up Wrote:
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> Miz, give it up.
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Have some more

This is what people think Michael basl
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so triggered
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For life
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Truth hurts
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Winning
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have a nice day
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any word from lizzie?
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.
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no?
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Who is TJ’s mom talking about in these couple of screen shots!
I know one is EESH, who is the other?

..
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Still no real mugshot?

Don't worry. There's plenty of you from the many times you spent in multiple different jails.
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Hi William
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where did this mugshot come from? it's not on any public website and looks like a piece of paper
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:'(
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Why miz why
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.
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1
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Hi Mizzer
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Google fucked. No middle name or city needed.
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,
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get ready for fake mugshot manic posting
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Hi William, any word from lizzie yet?


William Robert Moreno
Moreno, William Robert
aliases: Frank Krow, Frank_Krow, Mr. Misery, Miz, jimmylegs, Voodooslut

known associates: Christopher James Tator, Chris Tator, Tator Tots

https://wtvr.com/2015/07/25/richmond-man-at-the-center-of-a-reign-of-terror-cyber-bulling-lawsuit/














William Moreno aka Mr. Misery aka Miz aka Frank Krow is a pedophile. There weren't just one or two posts, but enough to establish a clear and solid pattern. William Moreno also lived with a twice-convicted child molester named Christopher J, Tator, who he helped to evade the sex offender registry requirements. Chris Tator is now back in federal prison.

Quote
William Robert Moreno
some children are very fuckable, let's face it

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/621429.html#msg-621429

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William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby in its tight little asshole. And he loved every minute of it.

allegedly.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/656161/656214.html#msg-656214

Quote
William Robert Moreno
I'm about to fuck a baby in his soft spot.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636834.html#msg-636834

Quote
William Robert Moreno
what, you don't wanna help me fuck this baby? we could do double penetration on this toddler bitch. one in each hole. lookit this little slut. she's just beggin' for it. watta fuckin whore.

suck mah dick bee-yotch.....

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636852.html#msg-636852

Quote
William Robert Moreno
one time, I was fucking this baby up the ass, it was crying so I started shaking it. It stopped crying, I came inside it, put it back in its crib, then climbed out the window. I wonder what ever happened to that baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636766.html#msg-636766

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William Robert Moreno
I ate out a toddler's asshole tonight.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/636769.html#msg-636769

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William Robert Moreno
hamtaro, wanna help me fuck this baby?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/632214.html#msg-632214

Quote
William Robert Moreno
I raped a baby

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/621151/625583.html#msg-625583

Quote
William Robert Moreno
just got done fucking this baby......man was he sweet. I gave him a reach-around in his sweet little soft spot. It was soooooooooooooooo hot.

we watched Zooballee Zoo after I finished.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/632140/633879.html#msg-633879

Quote
William Robert Moreno
I just fucked a baby...it was consensual

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/625479.html#msg-625479
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/619156/626553.html#msg-626553

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William Robert Moreno
I wish I could have a baby.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/506690/506705.html#msg-506705

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William Robert Moreno
by the way, I just got done getting a blowjob from a 3 month-old, so I'm all tuckered out........see you guise tomaorrow.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/484700/648453.html#msg-648453

Quote
William Robert Moreno
I don't care if they are underage, I'll still fuck 'em. I'll rape all their highschool boy asses, one by one. I'll cum in each and every one of their gay boy asses, then we'll see who's gay. ... I'll tell ya that much, muchacho!!! I'LL BUTTFUCK EVERY ONE OF YA! 15, 16, 17, DOESN'T MATTER! I'LL ASS-RAPE YOU! I'M A FUCKING MAD MAN! I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES! ASK ANYONE ROUND HERE!

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/637654/637753.html#msg-637753

Quote
William Robert Moreno
like, can you get in trouble in any way for just buying a copy of Tiger Beat? If you were a grown man let's say, and you were slightly overweight and had a beard and large glasses and you look a little funny, and you just went into a Walgreens and bought nothing but a copy of Tiger Beat....and maybe also a box of condoms. Could you get arrested based solely on your purchase? Is that probable cause or something? Or if you bought a Kidz Bop CD. Anything like that. If a grown man bought something of that sort, and he looked a little ugly and odd maybe, could he hypothetically get arrested for that?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777618.html#msg-777618

Quote
William Robert Moreno
is it illegal for a grown man to attempt to have a serious conversation with a kindergarten child about politics or religion, if they are not related and just happen to be sitting next to each other on a park bench or something? Is it really illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777624.html#msg-777624

Quote
William Robert Moreno
can a grown man and a little girl, unrelated and strangers to each other, have dinner together at a fancy restaurant? Legally? Let's say they meet outside the gym or something and decide to have dinner together, and that's it. That is the extent of the interaction. Is it illegal?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/777495/777625.html#msg-777625






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Miz why the fuck don't you leave the girl alone?

He's back to Katie again Wrote:
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> Miz why the fuck don't you leave the girl alone?

Why the fuck won't you leave miz alone?

Hi Miz
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keep posting about miz and this will keep getting posted and spammed on every thread like the fake mugshots do
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speaking of tears
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Hi William
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He's back to Katie again Wrote:
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> Miz why the fuck don't you leave the girl alone?

why do you care?

How did lizzie's dildo smell?
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Like this
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dildo
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:)
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but katie did
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This is your problem..
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Do any of you people have jobs?

We know Monique and William dont Wrote:
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> Do any of you people have jobs?

Eesh and Katie both have jobs, as do both of Megan's ex-husbands. Megan was laid off. Miz and Liz are on welfare disability. Peep was, I think, fired.

That fateful night that started it all
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Oh. Hi peep Katie and eesh and Megan's two ex's. Thanks for answering me.

Now, to the person who just responded, I was clearly asking you about your employment not about any of those other people. But I got my answer. Thank you.

Social security is not welfare.

indeed
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https://www.jeffreyfreedman.com/social-security-disability-insurance-program-not-welfare/
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welfare is temporary. it is food stamps or public housing. neither of which miz or liz have.

Basl is on food stamps. He no longer has to steal food from grocery stores or skip out on crappy cheap restaurant bills from cracker barrel.

Get off the computer sometime Wrote:
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> Social security is not welfare.

Social Security Disability is a form of welfare.

Definition of welfare
1: the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
must look out for your own welfare
2a: aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need
b: an agency or program through which such aid is distributed

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/

Since the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare became the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services in 1979, the term “welfare” has fallen into disuse. “Income security,” “entitlement,” or “public assistance programs” are now the usual terms for what used to be called “welfare programs.” Even the food-stamp program has been renamed the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

Regardless of what they are called, it is without dispute that in addition to SNAP, federal programs such as Head Start, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), Supplemental Security Income (SSI), the National School Lunch Program (NSLP), Medi-caid, Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), subsidized housing, and Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) are welfare programs.

Other welfare programs that are often not viewed as such include the refundable portion of tax credits, unemployment compensation, and Medicare.

Regular tax credits that provide a dollar-for-dollar reduction of the amount of income tax owed are not welfare. They may reduce the tax owed to zero, but if there is no taxable income to begin with, then no credit can be taken. But other credits that are partially (American Opportunity Credit) or fully (Earned Income Credit) refundable are certainly welfare, because if the tax-credit “payment” is more than the tax owed, the taxpayer receives a refund of money he never paid in; that is, he receives some other taxpayer’s money.

The federal government imposed the unemployment-compensation program on the states by means of Titles III, IX, and XII in the Social Security Act of 1935 and the Federal Unemployment Tax Act of 1939 (FUTA). The U.S. Department of Labor oversees the program, but it is administered and mostly funded by the states. Federal unemployment taxes are paid by employers at a rate of 6 percent on the first $7,000 of each employee’s income. The 50 states likewise assess employers an unemployment tax whose maximum can range from 5.4 to 13.5 percent on a wage base of $7,000 to $37,300. (Employers that pay state unemployment taxes are allowed a credit against their federal unemployment tax liability up to 5.4 percent.) Only a few states actually levy some amount of unemployment tax on employees. But regardless of what the tax rate and wage base are, the amount of unemployment compensation received has no relation to the amount of tax paid in. And of course, the unemployed worker who receives benefits most likely never paid anything in anyway.

Medicare is government-funded health care for Americans who are age 65 or over or are permanently disabled. It actually consists of four parts: Part A (hospital insurance), Part B (supplemental medical insurance), Part C (Medicare Advantage Program), and Part D (prescription-drug benefit). Part A is funded, at least on paper, by a payroll tax of 2.9 percent (split between employer and employee) on all of an employee’s earnings. Participation in Parts B, C, and D is voluntary. They are funded by a combination of income-based beneficiary premiums and taxpayer subsidies. Less than 25 percent of the Medicare prescription-drug program is funded by premiums. There is absolutely no relation between the Medicare taxes paid and the benefits received. Enrollment in Medicare is open to all those who are U.S. citizens or have been permanent legal residents for five continuous years and who (or whose spouses) have paid Medicare taxes for a minimum of 40 quarters (ten years). Someone who has paid Medicare taxes continuously since the program began in 1966 receives the same benefits as someone who just began paying Medicare taxes 10 years ago. Someone can pay Medicare taxes his whole working life and, if he is healthy, not receive a dime in benefits or otherwise get any of his “contribution” back.

All of those welfare programs are clearly unconstitutional and illegitimate functions of the federal government. They are socialistic, they foster dependency on the government, they are income-transfer programs, they shift responsibility from the individual and families to society and the state, they are wealth-redistribution plans, they contribute to class warfare, they are collectivist, they crowd out real charity, they are social-engineering schemes.

The mechanics of Social Security

Although Social Security is all of those things and more, rarely is it ever viewed as a welfare program.

Social Security is properly a federal Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program. It provides benefits for retirement, disability, survivorship, and death to about 55 million Americans at a price to approximately 157 million taxpayers of more than $800 billion a year. The program actually consists of two separate parts. Under the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) part of the program, monthly benefits are paid to retired workers, their families, and survivors of deceased workers. Under the Disability Insurance (DI) part of the program, monthly benefits are paid to disabled workers and their families.

Like Medicare, Social Security is “funded” by pay-roll tax deductions from both employers and employees. After beginning at a rate of 2 percent (split between employers and employees) on a taxable wage base of $3,000, by 1990 the rate was up to 12.4 percent with a wage base of $51,300. The wage base is currently up to $110,100. But as part of a deal reached between Democrats and Republicans in late 2010 to extend the Bush income-tax cuts, the rate of the employee share of Social Security taxes was lowered from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent for one year (2011). And then, after first being temporarily extended until the end of February 2012, the rate cut was extended until the end of 2012.

The original retirement age to receive full benefits was 65. For those born after 1937, the age has been gradually increased. For those born during the period of 1943–1954, the full retirement age is 66. For those born after 1960, it is 67. Reduced benefits are available for those who have reached the age of 62 and wish to begin receiving their benefits. However, the amount doesn’t increase once the full retirement age is reached. Those who delay receiving benefits until after their full retirement age earn credits that increase their benefit until they reach age 70.

Also like Medicare, one must pay Social Security taxes for a minimum of 40 quarters to be eligible. Social Security benefits are figured on the basis of one’s Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), the average of a worker’s 35 highest years of earnings (up to a particular year’s wage base), adjusted for inflation.

But aside from the mechanics of the Social Security system that many Americans are familiar with, there are some things about the system that are unknown to most Americans or better left unsaid.

Social Security is the cornerstone of the welfare state. It is a relic from the New Deal. It is the third rail of American politics — touch it and you commit political suicide. It is the largest annual expenditure of the federal government. It has trillions in unfunded liabilities. It is the first plank in the federal government’s effort to create a class of citizenry that is dependent on the government.

Social Security does not have a real trust fund. It does not have a physical lock box. It is not an insurance program. There is no contractual right to receive it. Its taxes are not actually invested. It is not a safety net. It is not funded by premiums or contributions.

Social Security is not a retirement account. It is not an investment account. It is not a pension plan. It is not an IRA. It is not a savings account. It is not a return on investment. It is not a government 401(k) or 403(b) plan. It is not an annuity.

Social Security is an intergenerational, income-transfer, wealth-redistribution welfare program. The federal government takes taxes from the youth and adult working population and spends the money on the boondoggles that 90 percent of the federal budget consists of. Then, as those populations reach retirement age, it takes new taxes from the current group of working youths and adults and gives it to the former group and calls it Social Security benefits.

Social Security is welfare.

Most Americans would never consider Social Security to be welfare because they think that they paid, or are paying, into the system their whole working lives and therefore earned, or are earning, their benefits and are just receiving, or will be receiving, their contributions back with interest.

But there are several reasons that Social Security is welfare.

Some people think that Social Security isn’t welfare simply because part of the payroll tax collected under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) is listed on pay stubs as being taken for Social Security and the other part as being taken for Medicare. That’s it. If the taxes extracted from Americans’ paychecks were called simply “payroll taxes,” then the notion that Social Security is not just another form of welfare would vanish overnight. Social Security would then be viewed as welfare for seniors, just as TANF is viewed as welfare for the poor, WIC is viewed as welfare for new mothers, and SSI is viewed as welfare for the disabled.

Social Security is welfare because there is no connection between the taxes paid and the benefits received. Take two men who are the same age and have identical incomes. One works for exactly 35 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. The other works for 45 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. Since Social Security benefits are based on the average of a worker’s 35 highest years of earnings, as related above, the benefit amount that these two men receive every month will be substantially the same. The fact that each man paid vastly different amounts into the system yet received basically the same benefits is irrefutable proof that there is no connection between Social Security taxes and benefits.

Social Security is welfare because Congress may, at will, change the Social Security benefit schedule at any time. According to Title XI, section 1104 of the Social Security Act, “The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to Congress.” That means that Social Security taxes can be changed at any time with no change in Social Security benefits; conversely, Social Security benefits can be changed at any time with no change in Social Security taxes. According to the Social Security Administration website,

• Your earnings may increase or decrease in the future.

• After you start receiving benefits, they will be adjusted for cost-of-living increases.

• Your estimated benefits are based on current law. The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2036, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 77 percent of scheduled benefits.

• Your benefit amount may be affected by military service, railroad employment or pensions earned through work on which you did not pay Social Security tax.

When the Social Security tax rate was lowered to 4.2 percent beginning in 2011 (and where it will probably stay, since neither party wants to be seen as raising taxes on low-income Americans), no one’s Social Security benefits were cut, nor will future benefits be cut because of the reduction in the tax rate (although benefits may be cut for other reasons). Social Security taxes exist simply for the purpose of raising revenue. And they have been increased some 20 times since the program began.

Social Security is welfare because there is no contractual right to receive benefits. The Supreme Court already ruled as much many years ago. In the case of Helvering v. Davis (1937), the Court ruled that “the proceeds of both [employee and employer] taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way.” In Fleming v. Nestor (1960), the Court held,

The noncontractual interest of an employee covered by the Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity, whose right to benefits are [sic] based on his contractual premium payments.

To engraft upon Social Security a concept of “accrued property rights” would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands and which Congress probably had in mind when it expressly reserved the right to alter, amend or repeal any provision of the Act.

Title VIII, section 807, of the Social Security Act simply reads, “The taxes imposed by this title shall be collected by the Bureau of Internal Revenue under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury and shall be paid into the Treasury of the United States as internal-revenue collections.” This tax collection began on January 1, 1937. The so-called Social Security Trust Fund was not instituted until January 1, 1940.

Social Security should be considered welfare because it is not an investment with a rate of return. Roosevelt falsely promoted Social Security to Americans as a “savings account for the old age of the worker” with contributions made by employers and employees through payroll taxes “held by the government solely for the benefit of the worker in his old age.” The first beneficiary to receive a Social Security check was Ida May Fuller in 1940. After paying in just $24.75 in Social Security taxes, she went on to collect $22,888 in benefits. According to a 2002 Congressional Research Service report on “Social Security Reform,” workers who retired at full retirement age in 1980 got back all they paid into Social Security, with interest, in 2.8 years. On the other hand, someone can pay into the system his whole working life and, if he dies upon retirement without dependents, his “savings account” dies with him. Even George W. Bush recognized the nature of the system:

Some in our country think that Social Security is a trust fund — in other words, there’s a pile of money being accumulated. That’s just simply not true. The money — payroll taxes going into the Social Security are spent. They’re spent on benefits and they’re spent on government programs. There is no trust. We’re on the ultimate pay-as-you-go system — what goes in comes out.

Social Security is welfare because the government can tax up to 85 percent of Social Security benefits. Although Social Security benefits are generally not taxable, individuals have to pay income tax on 50 percent of their benefits if the total of one-half of their benefits and their other income (including nontaxable interest income) is between $25,000 and $34,000 ($32,000 and $44,000 if married filing jointly) and on 85 percent of their benefits if their combined income is above $34,000 ($44,000 if married filing jointly). If an American is entitled to Social Security benefits because he earned them by paying Social Security taxes his entire working life, then what is the government doing taxing them just as it taxes unemployment benefits?

Conclusion

Social Security should not be saved, reformed, or privatized. The Social Security system is currently, has always been, and will forever be a system where money is taken from those who work and is given to those who don’t. Taking someone’s income in order to give it to someone else, whether the government takes it or a thief takes it, whether the taker has a good motive or evil intentions, or whether the receiver needs or just wants the money, is unethical, immoral, and criminal.

Social Security must be recognized for what it really is before it can ever be humanely, efficiently, and completely eliminated.

imagine being so poor you can't afford to pay a tab from cracker barrel and get arrested for stealing from kroger and steal from safeway
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Social Security is Welfare.
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It is welfare Wrote:
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> 2a: aid in the form of money or necessities for
> those in need

neither miz or liz are in need. they have other people taking care of them. they are just lazy and pulled the crazy card to get free money and not having to ever work

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> Social Security is Welfare.

ok. well getting paid to not going to work sounds like a dream to me. give me some fucking welfare.

Moreno claims he gets social security because of his hip being injured, but only uses a cane in court and was able to case down Monique and eesh one night.

Monique gets social security after being declared criminally insane in court and was helped through the department of corrections.

ssdi is forever Wrote:
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> welfare is temporary. it is food stamps or public
> housing. neither of which miz or liz have.

Not true. They are all welfare. Nothing is "permanent" and the benefits from both programs can be changed or eliminated at any time.

Lazy and crazy does indeed pay Wrote:
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> Monique gets social security after being declared
> criminally insane in court and was helped through
> the department of corrections.

another wonderful thing miz did for her

Yeah, getting free money to sit home and tap some ass and not having to worry about disclosing a felony status to a job must be nice.

The Social Security Administration itself says that SSI is in fact WELFARE.

"Administered by the Social Security Administration (SSA), SSI is the nation's largest welfare program"

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v65n3/v65n3p14.html

technically lizzie does have a job with the dog rescue place. those places don't care about felons. they are their best workers. pitbulls and parolees tv show helped that along. they have limited access to people so it's not a big deal.

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you're still on that? everyone else has already moved on. no one is arguing with you sport. they get free money for doing nothing while you have to work for 50 years. they are the losers. we get it.

welfare.

remember that prison dog show? Wrote:
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> technically lizzie does have a job with the dog
> rescue place. those places don't care about
> felons. they are their best workers. pitbulls and
> parolees tv show helped that along. they have
> limited access to people so it's not a big deal.

This.
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Well what sort of job is Moreno doing?

The idiot who claims SSI is not welfare is probably the same one who claimed that a cash transaction is limited to paper currency, not certified checks, money orders, etc. People such as Miz sit in their basement drawing doodles and obsessing over other men all day. They never actually learn how society works or even how to communicate. It's ironic they don't understand the meaning of even simple words like "cash" and "welfare".

So Monique has a job Wrote:
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> Well what sort of job is Moreno doing?

He sits in his mother's basement and posts about eesh and Katie all day on Fairfax Underground.

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> The idiot who claims SSI is not welfare is
> probably the same one who claimed that a cash
> transaction is limited to paper currency, not
> certified checks, money orders, etc. People such
> as Miz sit in their basement drawing doodles and
> obsessing over other men all day. They never
> actually learn how society works or even how to
> communicate. It's ironic they don't understand
> the meaning of even simple words like "cash" and
> "welfare".


or "WORK"

So Monique has a job Wrote:
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> Well what sort of job is eesh doing?

He's a career criminal, thief, stalker, professional courtroom defendant and bankruptcy expert.
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