Every fossil tells a story.

That's a central premise of the National Museum of Natural History's newest permanent exhibition, a gallery devoted to telling the story of human evolution. Walking through the David H. Koch (pronounced "coke") Hall of Human Origins, a 15,000-square-foot exhibition space that opened this week on the museum's first floor, it's hard not to feel the sense of, well, drama. This is a story replete with mystery, wonder, bloody violence and, yes, even a little tenderness. (It contains evidence of the earliest human burials.) Like a movie, it even comes with its own soundtrack: a recording of eerie music composed by a contemporary musician for a reconstructed, 35,000-year-old flute.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031800820.html?hpid=artslot

...Not according to the Creation Museum...



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> ...Not according to the Creation Museum...

I know someone who took her kids to this museum. The pictures she took were very bizarre, I can only imagine the type of people you'd encounter there.

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> I know someone who took her kids to this museum.
> The pictures she took were very bizarre, I can
> only imagine the type of people you'd encounter
> there.


Hopefully your acquaintance went there as a goof and not out of some misguided attempt to gain "knowledge."

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No she's a real young-earth believer who homeschools her kids with this stuff and talks alot about Jesus bringing the rapture. These people are fucked up. She actually acted more normal when she was a heroin addict.

Some of the pics were of her kids standing by plaques at the museum, plaques denouncing homosexuality or saying how dinosaurs only ate vegetables. And pics of some really bizarre statues of cavemen riding dinosaurs.

riding a dinosaur? fred flinstone did it. i've seen documentaries. whats the big controversy?

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> homeschools her kids with this stuff and talks
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> people are fucked up. She actually acted more
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I have a friend who was raised that way. He said he was at a huge disadvantage in college. It wasn't until he took college-level biology before he realized everything he was taught as a kid was bullshit. When I first met him, he was a Reagan-loving Righty. Today he is an Obama-loving Dem. Who woulda thunk?

As for the heroin addict thing, I've known a lot of people who were into drugs who became ultra religious. It's trading one form of addiction for another.

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It breaks my heart when I see that. AA exists solely for that purpose. The underlying problems never get addressed, because the person thinks their new addiction is a "cure."

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> It breaks my heart when I see that. AA exists
> solely for that purpose. The underlying problems
> never get addressed, because the person thinks
> their new addiction is a "cure."


I guess the argument is that fervent religiosity (as opposed to simple "faith") is a better alternative to drug addiction. Unfortunately, it still often results in the same alienation from friends and family that drug addiction causes.

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I.E., the underlying problems.

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That coloring book is so wrong on so many levels.

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I know! What's up with the coloring hints?

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> No she's a real young-earth believer who
> homeschools her kids with this stuff and talks
> alot about Jesus bringing the rapture. These
> people are fucked up. She actually acted more
> normal when she was a heroin addict.
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> Some of the pics were of her kids standing by
> plaques at the museum, plaques denouncing
> homosexuality or saying how dinosaurs only ate
> vegetables. And pics of some really bizarre
> statues of cavemen riding dinosaurs.


This is the weird thing. I went to a pre-school that was part of my Church, and I regularly attended Sunday Bible Study as a kid, and the Church Summer camps. However, I never heard any discussions about a so called "Young Earth", or "Jesus and the Dinosaurs". Where does this stuff come from?

Also, yes, I do believe in Creationism, but I also believe in Evolution. They are mutually inclusive in my view.

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> This is the weird thing. I went to a pre-school
> that was part of my Church, and I regularly
> attended Sunday Bible Study as a kid, and the
> Church Summer camps. However, I never heard any
> discussions about a so called "Young Earth", or
> "Jesus and the Dinosaurs". Where does this stuff
> come from?
>

You know, I never heard of the 6000 year issue until recently in regards to Sarah Palin when Matt Damon started going off about it. I had never heard of anyone believing that - and I attended Christian summer camps as a kid (we had religion classes of a sort every day). I never heard of a young earth or men and dinosaurs co-existing. I certainly never heard of dinosaurs during the great flood with Noah - so I am not sure who put these new fables together.

I would have to guess there are a few small fundamentalists groups that did some of this. Although from the site news, it appears the museum has been getting about 80-100K visitors a month since it opened.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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There were some in my school when I was growing up and it seems like there are more of them now. Either more of them, or they're more vocal. Back then, everyone basically made fun of them. We used to call them "moonies", even though they had nothing to do with Rev. Moon. I remember our 9th grade earth science teacher stopping class to explain that "not everyone here believes how the earth was formed, and we should respect them for that" because there were two chicks in our class who were religious nuts. Then he let them get up to talk about how God created the earth, while the rest of us snickered and cracked jokes. We had a bunch of Jehovah Witnesses too (who wouldn't pledge the flag or participate in christmas stuff).

If you grew up around FFX people like this are probably rare. This area attracts smart, modern people. But when you grow up in super hickville like I did, you'll meet all kinds of loser weirdos.

funny thing is most people who believe the "theory" of evolution say man evolved from monkeys.

that always makes me wonder why some monkeys evolved into humans and some stayed monkeys??????????

just people taking a stance on something they really know nothing about

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Using the same logic...

Most Americans are of European, African, or Asian descent, then why are there still Europeans, Africans, and Asians?

Why do some humans still live it huts, while other humans have evolved to build technologically advanced cities?

I spent a good part of my youth in the Bible Belt and this stuff never came up. I really think it is a more recent phenomenon. Even when I was religious, I always felt that "faith" and "science" should be kept separate and that science shouldn't be used to prove faith and that faith shouldn't be used to dispel science. I guess a lot of evangelical types simply can't do that these days.

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> that always makes me wonder why some monkeys
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> monkeys??????????
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> just people taking a stance on something they
> really know nothing about



It's called natural selection. Some chimpanzees moved into environments where it was more advantageous to walk on two legs (most likely in grasslands where they could move more quickly on two legs instead of trying to climb). Over time, the chimpanzees that could walk on two legs bred and the population expanded. Eventually, other environmental factors promoted more natural selection and over time modern humans gradually evolved. The chimpanzees that stayed in the jungles had no need to evolve because they were well suited for their environment.

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I was just painting the other day and one of the colors I use most often is Flesh of Christ.



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>funny thing is most people who believe the "theory" of evolution say man evolved >from monkeys.

>that always makes me wonder why some monkeys evolved into humans and some stayed >monkeys??????????

>just people taking a stance on something they really know nothing about.


LOL. Dude, take one hour of your day today, go on YouTube, Wikipedia or borrow a book from the library and learn what evolution is. Right now, you have no idea, but it's not as complicated as you think.

I promise if you spend just a little time learning the concept of speciation, you will understand and you will have an epiphany.

humans did not evolve from chimpanzees. they are evolutionary cousins that share a recent common ancestor that was neither human or chimp.

humans are not "more evolved" monkeys. when the lineage split each evolved their own traits.

i wouldn't suggest using youtube or wiki for fact finding.

Friends, you have it all wrong. It sounds like some people that have posted in this thread are low on the tone scale.

Humans did not originate in the manner modern science (influenced by malicious psychologists) claims. If you buy my books and lecture tapes, which are on sale right now, you too can understand about our origins from the Galactic Confederacy and the troubles of the R6 Implant.

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> i wouldn't suggest using youtube or wiki for fact
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Whatever. Primates.

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> humans are not "more evolved" monkeys. when the
> lineage split each evolved their own traits.


Yes, we are chimpanzees. We are in the primate family, we all share a common ancestor.

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Actually YouTube is an excellent source of knowledge if you know your way around it.
I took a whole MIT course on sub atomic electricity on YouTube just for the fun of it. There is some great stuff there.

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according to evolution all life came from a single cell organism.
so we are all amoeba.

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if you absorbed as much info on that as you did studying evolution i guess you wasted your time

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We are stardust. We are golden. We are billion year-old carbon. And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.

That museum is fucking criminal

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> Whatever. Primates.


you proved my point in your first post you said 1/2 the monkeys moved out of the jungle and evolved into humans and the ones who stayed in the jungle stopped evolving. that isnt what happened

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> if you absorbed as much info on that as you did
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You're the one the referred to evolution as a "theory" when the rest of us here accept it as fact.

So Darwin, what is YOUR theory? Where did man come from?

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What happened? A magic being grabbed some clay and blew life into it?

What's funny is that all of these Creationist types are too lazy to look into the creation stories of the so-called pagan religions that came before Judaism. If they did, the would see that Genesis borrows heavily from them.

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> I spent a good part of my youth in the Bible Belt
> and this stuff never came up. I really think it is
> a more recent phenomenon. Even when I was
> religious, I always felt that "faith" and
> "science" should be kept separate and that science
> shouldn't be used to prove faith and that faith
> shouldn't be used to dispel science. I guess a lot
> of evangelical types simply can't do that these
> days.


It sorta is a recent thing.

Ok - here is how it works.

They want the public schools to teach creationism because the bible says it is so. Evolution really has no true flaws in the theory and is proven more correct with every discovery.

Since many things in the bible are wrong - 6000 year old earth etc. - they cant claim it as a source. But if they truly believe the 6000 year old earth then they have an argument to teach creationism in schools.

It is really warped.

What other 1500 to 1600 year old text do you believe?

I need to go to a Catholic church today for a family thing. Do you think durring the "Let us pray" part we will be asked to pray against the health care bill because of the "abortion mandate"? I am betting yes.

Moe lies from the church.

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> old earth then they have an argument to teach
> creationism in schools.
>

It's funny how the Bible is "inerrant" when it comes to things like this, but when you get to the part about the odds of rich men getting into heaven being the same as a camel going through the eye of the needle, all of a sudden these multi-millionaire preachers say, "Well, that's not REALLY what Jesus meant..."

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according to the theory of evolution:
5-8 million years ago anthropomorphous primates existed not monkeys. that genetic line split into two species PONGIDAE who much later became monkeys, apes, chimpanzees and HOMINIDAE who much later became humans. they are two separate life forms who got their start from the same host and developed on different evolutionary lines. they evolved simultaneously.

its like your cousin's kids are not your descendants but you're related by a past generation. they may be in your family tree but they didnt come from you.

as far as creationism goes if you can see so many common threads between past and present religions their might be something to it.

the bible was never meant to be read literally. back then literature was more poetic. think of song lyrics or poems. when your read them you dont take everything at face value. words can have different meanings and carry different weight. most of the stories were written to covey a point not as a factual account of history. people say that in the bible all the stories are true and some actually happened. have u read puff the magic dragon? well we know dragons aren't real but we know boys really do get to old for their toys. while the story never happened the message is still true.

This should help explain things to Darwin.

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did u pull up that vid b4 u read my last post? that guy said exactly what i just said.

as you can clearly see on the chart humans followed their own evolutionary line and all the ape like monkey types are on separate on lines.

if he put the picture of the lady on the far left it would illustrate my point better.

i'm sure it will help WTL

FYI - yes those Catholics mentioned the aborttion mandate in church today.

Who paid tham off?

What else are they lieing to us about?

And yes, I understand the bible being "stories". Fine. I get that. Then stop telling us to take it litteraly.