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US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 19, 2010 11:50AM

Whether or not you support the idea of gays in the military, this claim is fucking ridiculous...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7478738/Gay-Dutch-soldiers-responsible-for-Srebrenica-massacre-says-US-general.html

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 19, 2010 12:11PM

It's scary to think there are people like this in the highest echelons of the government.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 19, 2010 01:09PM

eesh Wrote:
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> It's scary to think there are people like this in
> the highest echelons of the government.


Like I said, there are more rational arguments one might try to make against gays in the military. But using an example of an undermanned, under-armed peace keeping forced being fucked over by a militia is fucking retarded. Is the General implying that the dead Medal of Honor recipients during the "Black Hawk Down" incident must have been gay, too? Because it's the same fucking logic.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: March 19, 2010 01:45PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Like I said, there are more rational arguments one
> might try to make against gays in the military.


There's no rational argument (edit: and I'm not insinuating that wTL is for or against gays in the military). Being gay doesn't interfere with people's abilities to be a plumber, landscaper, accountant, executive, or lawmaker, so why a soldier? It's not like the warzone is going to turn into one big episode of Queer as Folk.

When you're kicking down doors in downtown Baghdad, what's the difference between the guy on the right who is gay and the guy on the left who will only bang black chicks. As long as you're all watching our for each other who cares what their sexual preference is.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2010 01:46PM by Warhawk.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: March 19, 2010 01:56PM

eesh Wrote:
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> It's scary to think there are people like this in
> the highest echelons of the government.

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Carl Levin, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, pressed him to clarify his comments.

"Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" asked an incredulous Levin.

"Yes," Sheehan said and added: "They included that as part of the problem."

Gen Sheehan, who retired from the military in 1997, said he had been told that by the former chief of staff of the Dutch army.

Were is the operative word here. He served under Bill Clinton. Yes, his comments were stupid - presumably the Dutch Chief of Staff said something similar (even though they are denying it). In any case the real problem was a training and readiness issue - although it is pretty fucking stupid for the UN "Peacekeepers" to allow themselves to be handcuffed while the people they are there to protect get frog marched off to be executed.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 19, 2010 02:10PM

Warhawk-

Personally, I have no issue with gays serving openly in the military. The "rational" argument would be the initial wave of personnel issues you would have with long-serving officers like Sheehan who can't accept the change. Ultimately it would not be an issue. But initially, I think you could anticipate four or five years of problems within the ranks as the homophobic idiots are weeded out.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 19, 2010 04:06PM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> When you're kicking down doors in downtown
> Baghdad, what's the difference between the guy on
> the right who is gay and the guy on the left who
> will only bang black chicks. As long as you're
> all watching our for each other who cares what
> their sexual preference is.



+1

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 19, 2010 04:11PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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eesh Wrote:
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> It's scary to think there are people like this in
> the highest echelons of the government
>
> Gen Sheehan, who retired from the military in
> 1997, said he had been told that by the former
> chief of staff of the Dutch army.



Yes RV, I know he is retired. General officers are extremely political, and have ties to officials in both the private and public sectors.

Most Generals enter executive ranks when they retire. When they go into public service, they usually start as a GS-15 or SES ranks. If they go into the private sectors, they always start out in senior management.

The fact that he was able to testify about his opinion on homosexuals in the military speaks volumes.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Sgt. Slasher ()
Date: March 19, 2010 05:48PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Whether or not you support the idea of gays in the
> military, this claim is fucking ridiculous...
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame
> rica/usa/7478738/Gay-Dutch-soldiers-responsible-fo
> r-Srebrenica-massacre-says-US-general.html



In 1969, I was on NATO maneuvers in Grafenwoher, Germany with Operation
Reforger One and even back then, the Dutch Army was noted for it's
"relaxed" attitude. Their soldiers had hair down to their shoulders
and they were openly smoking weed on duty. Their scores during the
maneuvers were terrible and they really didn't care. Alright, so they
allow gays to serve openly now too, but the General didn't provide enough
details about the incident for me to draw conclusions. (for instance were
they having an orgy when they should have been posting a guard mount?)

Just because the Dutch and some others may allow "open serving" that does
not mean we have to do the same. I for one am totaly opposed to the repeal
of "DADT" because of the negative impact it would have on morale, especially
in garrison status. BTW, I'm not under any obligation to go along with
something just because some of the liberals think it's such a wonderful
idea. Carl Levin has never been in the military and has no perception
whatsoever of what he speaks.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: March 19, 2010 06:59PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's scary to think there are people like this
> in
> > the highest echelons of the government.
>
>
> Like I said, there are more rational arguments one
> might try to make against gays in the military.
> But using an example of an undermanned,
> under-armed peace keeping forced being fucked over
> by a militia is fucking retarded. Is the General
> implying that the dead Medal of Honor recipients
> during the "Black Hawk Down" incident must have
> been gay, too? Because it's the same fucking
> logic.


It's not the same. SGT (FC) Shughart and MSGT Gordon (Both DELTA) were fighting their asses off to save the Helo crew, and they gave their lives in the process. How can you even begin to compare them to a bunch of UN queers (Yes, UN soldiers are well known as incompetent pansies)?

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 19, 2010 08:59PM

ThePackLeader Wrote:

>
>
> It's not the same. SGT (FC) Shughart and MSGT
> Gordon (Both DELTA) were fighting their asses off
> to save the Helo crew, and they gave their lives
> in the process. How can you even begin to compare
> them to a bunch of UN queers (Yes, UN soldiers are
> well known as incompetent pansies)?

Yes, they are heroes for what they did. My point wasn't to denigrate them. My point was it is absurd to blame a failed mission on sexual orientation while ignoring other factors that probably contributed more. If any of the troops involved in botched mission in Somalia were closeted gays (odds are there may be one or two in there somewhere), does that mean THAT's the reason for that botched mission? Or the fact that there were a whole lot of fuck-ups starting with the focus of the mission itself and ending with inadequate personnel and equipment to do the job?

And, yes, UN Peacekeepers in general may be "incompetent pansies." But they aren't "incompetent pansies" because some of them happen to be gay.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: March 19, 2010 10:18PM

No you are right - in Africa I think they were being prosecuted for raping the local women and girls they were supposed to be helping. It seems obvious the UN forces (from some of these other countries) have a problem keeping themselves busy enough protecting folks, they have to go out and fuck them over at the same time.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: March 20, 2010 04:56PM

Does anyone remember the Officers Bachelor quarters in San Diego on a USNavy base? It just happened to be in a design of a swastika. Do you really believe that was an accident? Those original plans were signed off on by lots of different eyes, and high ranking too I might add. It was a running joke at least in the Marines to have said you stayed there at some point. Or, maybe it wasn't a joke at all? It was quiet by accident that I discovered this nugget of information, As we were leaving there back in 2000, I ran across a friend of mine who was giddy over the fact. This is sick, but this environment exists. So, you are surprised at this General. I guess what you don't know can't hurt you? This mindset is rampant.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: no homo ()
Date: March 20, 2010 05:58PM

i beg to differ:

the general wasn't stating his opinion he was repeating the information given to him by the dutch authorities.

the asshole who asked him the question about homosexuality and then cut him off so he couldn't answer properly was the one who had the anti-gay agenda.

it's so funny when y'all get tricked by a headline and can't even sort out the facts on your own.

watch the video again and listen very carefully.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 20, 2010 06:37PM

spunky Wrote:
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> Does anyone remember the Officers Bachelor
> quarters in San Diego on a USNavy base? It just
> happened to be in a design of a swastika. Do you
> really believe that was an accident? Those
> original plans were signed off on by lots of
> different eyes, and high ranking too I might add.
> It was a running joke at least in the Marines to
> have said you stayed there at some point. Or,
> maybe it wasn't a joke at all? It was quiet by
> accident that I discovered this nugget of
> information, As we were leaving there back in
> 2000, I ran across a friend of mine who was giddy
> over the fact. This is sick, but this environment
> exists. So, you are surprised at this General. I
> guess what you don't know can't hurt you? This
> mindset is rampant.


Are you "The" spunky?

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: cheech ()
Date: March 20, 2010 08:28PM

Sgt. Slasher Wrote:
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Their soldiers had hair down
to their shoulders
and they were openly smoking weed on duty.



just the fact that you bring up hair length amuses me. you must wish it was still 1950.

us soldiers take xanax, colonipin and other mood stabilizers but i never heard of any smoking weed.

the people that dont want fags in the military are the same people who dont want fags on earth. of course everyone is free to hate whoever they want.

once cloning gets going good the military will make all the soldiers from the same cookie cutter and they will know nothing more than how to obey orders and follow the flock.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: I am Spunky ()
Date: March 20, 2010 10:48PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone remember the Officers Bachelor
> > quarters in San Diego on a USNavy base? It
> just
> > happened to be in a design of a swastika. Do
> you
> > really believe that was an accident? Those
> > original plans were signed off on by lots of
> > different eyes, and high ranking too I might
> add.
> > It was a running joke at least in the Marines

Well of course!
> to
> > have said you stayed there at some point. Or,
> > maybe it wasn't a joke at all? It was quiet by
> > accident that I discovered this nugget of
> > information, As we were leaving there back in
> > 2000, I ran across a friend of mine who was
> giddy
> > over the fact. This is sick, but this
> environment
> > exists. So, you are surprised at this General.
> I
> > guess what you don't know can't hurt you? This
> > mindset is rampant.
>
>
> Are you "The" spunky?

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: March 21, 2010 06:48AM

God damnit, spunky! Where have you been? I was worried sick about you! I thought an illegal got you... OR WORSE!

spunky Wrote:
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> Does anyone remember the Officers Bachelor
> quarters in San Diego on a USNavy base? It just
> happened to be in a design of a swastika. Do you
> really believe that was an accident? Those
> original plans were signed off on by lots of
> different eyes, and high ranking too I might add.
> It was a running joke at least in the Marines to
> have said you stayed there at some point. Or,
> maybe it wasn't a joke at all? It was quiet by
> accident that I discovered this nugget of
> information, As we were leaving there back in
> 2000, I ran across a friend of mine who was giddy
> over the fact. This is sick, but this environment
> exists. So, you are surprised at this General. I
> guess what you don't know can't hurt you? This
> mindset is rampant.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Date: March 21, 2010 07:38AM

If it is the real Spunky, she has been gone for about six months. I think that answers the question of where she has been.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Reality ()
Date: March 21, 2010 12:18PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If it is the real Spunky, she has been gone for
> about six months. I think that answers the
> question of where she has been.

Spunky has been posting as Harry tuttle. They are the same person aka super forum troll.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Sgt. Slasher ()
Date: March 21, 2010 01:31PM

cheech Wrote:
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> Sgt. Slasher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Their soldiers had hair down
> to their shoulders
> and they were openly smoking weed on duty.
>
>
>
> just the fact that you bring up hair length amuses
> me. you must wish it was still 1950.

It's called appearance and discipline. Look at our troops even today and
no, it's not 1950.



> us soldiers take xanax, colonipin and other mood
> stabilizers but i never heard of any smoking weed.

Our soldiers are drug tested quite frequently these days and it's a
result of rampant illegal drug abuse that took place in the 60's and 70's.



> the people that dont want fags in the military are
> the same people who dont want fags on earth. of
> course everyone is free to hate whoever they
> want.


Totally BS but I take it you've never been in the military.



> once cloning gets going good the military will
> make all the soldiers from the same cookie cutter
> and they will know nothing more than how to obey
> orders and follow the flock.

Fortified your Kool-Aid with a little wine did ya? Polls show that
active duty military overwhelmingly oppose repeal of DADT. That
says enough for me. You can daydream all you want, but they don't
want it and for good reason.

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Re: US General - Bosnian Massacre the Result of Gay Sissies in the Dutch Military
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: March 21, 2010 05:41PM

That's cute...

You really give me too much credit... I could never come up with a character as brilliant as spunky and execute it so well...

Reality Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If it is the real Spunky, she has been gone for
> > about six months. I think that answers the
> > question of where she has been.
>
> Spunky has been posting as Harry tuttle. They are
> the same person aka super forum troll.

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