As a matter of fact, we're starting to!
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I'm not. Most of the shit we are dealing with is due to his shitty Presidency.

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Either his, or just maybe we're suffering from the Democraric Nimrod that served eight years before him.

He was the in-between of two amerikans (and one who may not even be one), so how can he be faulted? The actions of the demokrats and kongress speak for themselves.

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Sure I miss Bush. If he were still in office, I bet he'd be doing something about this cold... like amassing military forces in preparation for our war against storm clouds.

I jest, I jest...



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Genevieve Wrote:
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> Sure I miss Bush. If he were still in office, I
> bet he'd be doing something about this cold...
> like amassing military forces in preparation for
> our war against storm clouds.
>
> I jest, I jest...


That or he'd be considering boycotting the Winter Olympics because all of this cold air came from Canada and we do not support evil-doers. We would then close the northern border and launch small-scale tactical nuclear missiles strikes to warm up the air temp and disrupt any further arctic attacks.

Tin Whiskers Wrote:
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> As a matter of fact, we're starting to!

As long as we have this huge albatross called IRAQ around our necks, I don't think I'll miss George at all..

The invasion of Iraq will go down as the biggest foreign policy mistake this country has ever made. Unfortunately GWB has set the country's agenda for decades. He has weakened our position in the world..has emboldened our enemies. I dont miss the fucker one bit.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Okay Vince(1), I've heard enough.

You fuck-weasels elect a weak cow-towing talking noodlehead to run our country, and yet you still have words for our former president who doesn't even matter at this point and time. But fir some stupid fuckin' reason you have nothing notable to say about the sloppy job OUR CURRENT ONE is doing, now.

Dooky Brain Wrote:
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> Okay Vince(1), I've heard enough.
>
> You fuck-weasels elect a weak cow-towing talking
> noodlehead to run our country, and yet you still
> have words for our former president who doesn't
> even matter at this point and time. But fir some
> stupid fuckin' reason you have nothing notable to
> say about the sloppy job OUR CURRENT ONE is doing,
> now.

President Obama is the best thing to happen to our country since the invention of the Big Gulp Slurpy. Can't we all just get along?

I liked this one better
Attachments:

Not when that Nigger Barrack Hussien Obama is trying to give 4 Billion thats right Billion Taxpayer dollars to Acorn which assists with child smuggling and prostitution operations, and defrauding the U.S. Taxpayer and the Government.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwbEPjYqKwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-1rs5lBjA

AOL HAHA GAY-BOY DETECTED. WISHES HE WAS IMPORTANT. HIS SHORTCOMINGS ARE TRANSPARENT. HE LIKES LORENZO LLAMAS.

Favorite part of first vid @ 3:15 "Come on man trust da Mexican people."

STFU NIGGER.

couldn't come up with anything better than that?

You'r pee-brain must havr been preoccupied with the NERVE I sruck.


SO HAHA INDEED!

trogdor! Wrote:
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> Tin Whiskers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As a matter of fact, we're starting to!
>
> As long as we have this huge albatross called IRAQ
> around our necks, I don't think I'll miss George
> at all..

As a side note, I just find this funny based on the conversation...

Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/02/joe-biden-update-larry-king-iraq-obama-sarah-palin.html

Quote

...
Now, the Obama-Biden pair that opposed the Iraq war and its tactics and predicted their failure is prepared to accept credit for its success.

It seems that Biden, who's from Delaware when he's in Delaware and Pennsylvania when in Pennsylvania, is certain now that Iraq will turn out to be one of the Obama-Biden administration's greatest achievements.

No, really.

Here's how Biden put it to Lar:

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.

Biden did not elaborate on what all the administration's other "great achievements" were so far.
...

I seriously wish these guys could make up their minds. Biggest policy mistake, or greatest achievement... hmm...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

That's why I calls 'em "Floundering Liberals".

I seriously wish I could make up my mind. Biggest cock to suck, or biggest cock to shove in my ass? hmm..

Registered Faggot? Wrote:
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> I seriously wish I could make up my mind. Biggest
> cock to suck, or biggest cock to shove in my ass?
> hmm..

Sounds like a choice only a Fairy can make. Good luck with that, it sounds like you have some hard decisions to make in your future.

I hear your boy Bill is in the hospital getting a couple of stents replaced - try not to overwork yourself.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Sorry, NO WE FUCKIN' CAN'T Wrote:
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> Not when that Nigger Barrack Hussien Obama is
> trying to give 4 Billion thats right Billion
> Taxpayer dollars to Acorn which assists with child
> smuggling and prostitution operations, and
> defrauding the U.S. Taxpayer and the Government.
>
> Enjoy:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwbEPjYqKwI
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-1rs5lBjA

Haven't you heard, ACORN has be cleared of any wrong doing by a non partisan congressional investigation. Mr. O'Keefe is being sued for slander, illegal recording, and defamation (for his editing), and there is a Federal investigation into his actions in regards to entering a Senator's office under false pretenses, and trespassing.

Also, Mr. O'Keefe never let it out that several ACORN offices he visited called the police on his ass. He also released a tape of an ACORN employee narrating that she murdered her ex-husband. Her ex-husband was at the time very much alive, and when asked for comment she said that O'Keefe was screwing with her, so she was screwing with him.

He is not an "investigative journalist." like he claims. He is a political dirty trick hack and huckster who fools people like you.

Well, there is no fooling people when it comes to the voter fraud issue.

And I do not buy the editting claim. AT ALL. But thats just my opinion.

I don't believe he effectively editted shit, she was trying to say something she knew WAS NOT TRUE to cover up how she previously screwed up by entertaining a conversation about child prostitution knowing afterwards it could be a sting.

Haha Wrote:
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> Well, there is no fooling people when it comes to
> the voter fraud issue.
>
> And I do not buy the editting claim. AT ALL. But
> thats just my opinion.
>
> I don't believe he effectively editted shit, she
> was trying to say something she knew WAS NOT TRUE
> to cover up how she previously screwed up by
> entertaining a conversation about child
> prostitution knowing afterwards it could be a
> sting.



There was no "voter fraud." No one showed up at the poles, with or without ACORN direction, wanting to vote using someone else's name.

ACORN is not a law enforcement agency, however, did you notice she tried to get the prostitute on the tax roles, and insisted these kids go to school? She was working on getting them caught, idiot

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Sorry, NO WE FUCKIN' CAN'T Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not when that Nigger Barrack Hussien Obama is
> > trying to give 4 Billion thats right Billion
> > Taxpayer dollars to Acorn which assists with
> child
> > smuggling and prostitution operations, and
> > defrauding the U.S. Taxpayer and the
> Government.
> >
> > Enjoy:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwbEPjYqKwI
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-1rs5lBjA
>
> Haven't you heard, ACORN has be cleared of any
> wrong doing by a non partisan congressional
> investigation. Mr. O'Keefe is being sued for
> slander, illegal recording, and defamation (for
> his editing), and there is a Federal investigation
> into his actions in regards to entering a
> Senator's office under false pretenses, and
> trespassing.
>
> Also, Mr. O'Keefe never let it out that several
> ACORN offices he visited called the police on his
> ass. He also released a tape of an ACORN employee
> narrating that she murdered her ex-husband. Her
> ex-husband was at the time very much alive, and
> when asked for comment she said that O'Keefe was
> screwing with her, so she was screwing with him.
>
> He is not an "investigative journalist." like he
> claims. He is a political dirty trick hack and
> huckster who fools people like you.

And Obama is not giving $4billion to Acorn. This is how it works
Please note:
In fact, as Media Matters for America has documented, the bill contains no language mentioning ACORN. The false claim is based on a misrepresentation of a provision that would appropriate $4,190,000,000 "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes." The bill would require that money be distributed through competitive processes and states that "not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allocated by a competition" to "States, units of general local government, and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities." It also provides that "up to $750,000,000 shall be awarded by competition to nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities to provide community stabilization assistance."

So Republican (Rush Limbaugh claims this all the time)
1) The Stimulus bill calls for $4 billion to states and municipalities to provide neighborhood stabilization
2)Acorn provides neighborhood stabilization
3) therefore Acorn is getting $4 billion.

Despite the fact that this logic is a complete non-sequitor, people like you continue to spread falsehoods and lies.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Haha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, there is no fooling people when it comes
> to
> > the voter fraud issue.
> >
> > And I do not buy the editting claim. AT ALL.
> But
> > thats just my opinion.
> >
> > I don't believe he effectively editted shit,
> she
> > was trying to say something she knew WAS NOT
> TRUE
> > to cover up how she previously screwed up by
> > entertaining a conversation about child
> > prostitution knowing afterwards it could be a
> > sting.
>
>
>
> There was no "voter fraud." No one showed up at
> the poles, with or without ACORN direction,
> wanting to vote using someone else's name.
>
> ACORN is not a law enforcement agency, however,
> did you notice she tried to get the prostitute on
> the tax roles, and insisted these kids go to
> school? She was working on getting them caught,
> idiot

Correct. There was never even a allegation of "voter fraud". There was "voter registration fraud" which is completely different. The right wing has decided to use the term "voter fraud" instead because it is more emotional and packs a bigger punch, despite it being mis-leading. This was Frank Luntz's doing.

http://www.theworddoctors.com/expertise-issues-answers.html

And who turned Acorn in to the authorities? Ummmm, that would be Acorn. Fraudulent voter registration applications were flagged as possibly fraudulent and turned in, as the law requires.

Someone knocks on your door and asks you to register to vote and you dill out the form using Mickey Mouse, whoever solicited that form is required to still submit it. Just put a big X on the form, guess what? They are still required to submit it.

Illegal voter registration IS voter fraud!

NOBODY SHOULD BE GOING DOOR TO DOOR ASKING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
Especially when recieving our tax dollars!
If you don't care to vote, THE TAXPAYER DOESN'T care for your lazy ignorant vote to count either and should not be repsonsible fornpaying for artificial stimulation of voter turn out and voting results.

Lastly, the guy who made the video,s and or YouTube have NOT been instructed by a court to remove the clips. So your argument that the allegations are false holds NO water at this time. Plus anyone can see NO amount of editting could create conversations like the ones these SCUM BAGS were having.

Yeah Yeah Wrote:
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> Illegal voter registration IS voter fraud!

Nope not at all. Filling out a form to register to vote using the name Mickey Mouse, is "voter registration fraud". showing up at the polls wearing mouse ears and saying my name is Mickey and I am here to vote is "voter fraud". These are two very different crimes. One is no big deal, the other is a big deal.



> NOBODY SHOULD BE GOING DOOR TO DOOR ASKING PEOPLE
> TO VOTE.

They asked people in all walks of life to "REGISTER" to vote.

> Especially when recieving our tax dollars!

Look I had to register to vote 4 times in VA before my application went through. They took me off the rolls in Maryland when I registered the first time and then lost my application. I had to re-submit the application several times.
I could not vote in a primary because of it. I have nothing more on my record than "failure to obey a highway sign". Making sure people are registered is a good thing.

> If you don't care to vote, THE TAXPAYER DOESN'T
> care for your lazy ignorant vote to count either
> and should not be repsonsible fornpaying for
> artificial stimulation of voter turn out and
> voting results.

"fonrplaying" is that like foreplay-ing?
>
> Lastly, the guy who made the video,s and or
> YouTube have NOT been instructed by a court to
> remove the clips.

Not yet

>So your argument that the
> allegations are false holds NO water at this time.
> Plus anyone can see NO amount of editting could
> create conversations like the ones these SCUM BAGS
> were having.

Or not having.

Just tell me one thing - who threatens our national security more - Acorn or a President who lies to the American public to convince congress to invade a country for no reason at all?

Voter registration fraud falls under the category of VOTING FRAUD.

Just like a NO TURNS sign covers U-turns also.

You also said they were going around asking everyone to vote, well you show me how many upper class nieghborhoods they went into and how many of those people they got of thier lazy asses and convinced to vote.

ONCE AGAIN NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS SHOULD BE GOING TO A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP LIKE ACORN! ESPECIALLY WHEN ACORN WAS SO OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO SWAY THE ELECTION IN FAVOR OF BARRACKUS OBAMUS. The child prostituion scandal is just the icing on the cake. And a very fucked up icing I might add but Libs never cease to amase me.

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I do it for FREE.

I do it to amaze and entertain you and most importantly myself.

Thanks form letting me know how much you appreciate ME!

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Make that (2) stoopid poasts.

Hey voter you conveniently left out the fact that we may have been struck right after bush took office but the plan was hatched while your boy Clinton was President. And Pakistan captured Osama Bin Laden and asked tje U.S. If we wanted him. We said we don't want him brcause the white house was TOO FUCKIN' BUSY DEALING WITH MONICA L. and the cigar-in-ass under desk allegations.

Oh and any sane man would swap Sarah Palin for your teleprompter messiah anyday.

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> Nope not at all. Filling out a form to register to
> vote using the name Mickey Mouse, is "voter
> registration fraud". showing up at the polls
> wearing mouse ears and saying my name is Mickey
> and I am here to vote is "voter fraud". These are
> two very different crimes. One is no big deal, the
> other is a big deal.


Actually, they are treated substantially similar by law enforcement in VA. In fact, they are both "big deals."

§ 24.2-1004. Illegal voting and registrations.

A. Any person who wrongfully deposits a ballot in the ballot container or casts a vote on any voting equipment, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. Any person who intentionally (i) votes more than once in the same election, whether those votes are cast in Virginia or in Virginia and any other state or territory of the United States, (ii) procures, assists, or induces another to vote more than once in the same election, whether those votes are cast in Virginia or in Virginia and any other state or territory of the United States, (iii) votes knowing that he is not qualified to vote where and when the vote is to be given, or (iv) procures, assists, or induces another to vote knowing that such person is not qualified to vote where and when the vote is to be given is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

C. Any person who intentionally (i) registers to vote at more than one residence address at the same time, whether such registrations are in Virginia or in Virginia and any other state or territory of the United States, or (ii) procures, assists, or induces another to register to vote at more than one address at the same time, whether such registrations are in Virginia or in Virginia and any other state or territory of the United States, is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

AND

§ 24.2-1016. False statements; penalties.

Any willfully false material statement or entry made by any person in any statement, form, or report required by this title shall constitute the crime of election fraud and be punishable as a Class 5 felony. Any preprinted statement, form, or report shall include a statement of such unlawful conduct and the penalty provided in this section.

Get your facts Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nope not at all. Filling out a form to register
> to
> > vote using the name Mickey Mouse, is "voter
> > registration fraud". showing up at the polls
> > wearing mouse ears and saying my name is Mickey
> > and I am here to vote is "voter fraud". These
> are
> > two very different crimes. One is no big deal,
> the
> > other is a big deal.
>
>
> Actually, they are treated substantially similar
> by law enforcement in VA. In fact, they are both
> "big deals."
>
> § 24.2-1004. Illegal voting and registrations.
>
> A. Any person who wrongfully deposits a ballot in
> the ballot container or casts a vote on any voting
> equipment, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
>
> B. Any person who intentionally (i) votes more
> than once in the same election, whether those
> votes are cast in Virginia or in Virginia and any
> other state or territory of the United States,
> (ii) procures, assists, or induces another to vote
> more than once in the same election, whether those
> votes are cast in Virginia or in Virginia and any
> other state or territory of the United States,
> (iii) votes knowing that he is not qualified to
> vote where and when the vote is to be given, or
> (iv) procures, assists, or induces another to vote
> knowing that such person is not qualified to vote
> where and when the vote is to be given is guilty
> of a Class 6 felony.
>
> C. Any person who intentionally (i) registers to
> vote at more than one residence address at the
> same time, whether such registrations are in
> Virginia or in Virginia and any other state or
> territory of the United States, or (ii) procures,
> assists, or induces another to register to vote at
> more than one address at the same time, whether
> such registrations are in Virginia or in Virginia
> and any other state or territory of the United
> States, is guilty of a Class 6 felony.
>
> AND
>
> § 24.2-1016. False statements; penalties.
>
> Any willfully false material statement or entry
> made by any person in any statement, form, or
> report required by this title shall constitute the
> crime of election fraud and be punishable as a
> Class 5 felony. Any preprinted statement, form, or
> report shall include a statement of such unlawful
> conduct and the penalty provided in this section.


Learn how to read!

First, as far as I know, none of the Acorn allegations took place in VA. That being said:

No one, I repeat NO ONE has ever said or made allegations that ANYONE tried to or was asked to, or actually did vote using the fake info they filled out on a voter registration form. Got it? No one voted or was asked to vote or had the intention of actually voting using the name provided on the fraudulent forms. This has investigated by the "Federali's" under both administrations. So all anyone did was fill out paperwork.

And in VA, filling out the paperwork fraudulently is a Class 5 Felony. A person who votes is a Class 1 Misdemeanor.

The point you can not get through pea brain is that ACORN did exactly what they were supposed to do. Their canvassers collected registration forms and Acorn flagged the ones as potentially fraudulent (which they are required by law to do) and sent them in with all the registration forms they collected - (which they are legally required to do).

They actions were investigated by both administrations and they are still in business. Just not receiving $4 billion in grants.

I left a Catholic Church in VA a couple years ago and they had a right to life petition and voter registration drive. I watched as the volunteers let people fill out the voter registration for various family members and "sign not their own name" and sign the petition in the name of friends and family.

The volunteers smiled as a lady said "my daughter left for college last week, I will fill this out for her".

All of this was done just outside the Catholic Church. Do I rampage against the Catholic Church on this issue? Get a brain nimrod!



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ADDENDUM: ABOVE POST IS FOR "GET YOUR FACTS" ^

Your pee-brain left out that they should not be canvassing shit.
It is a third party special interest groups trying to sway the outcome of elections. Now look at the garbage UNQUALIFIED president we have now because of this conflict of interests.

F•U CorrectionBot Wrote:
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> Make that (2) stoopid poasts.
>
> Hey voter you conveniently left out the fact that
> we may have been struck right after bush took
> office but the plan was hatched while your boy
> Clinton was President.

Maybe planned, but not executed. They were afraid of Clinton enough not to execute the plan under his administration.

>And Pakistan captured
> Osama Bin Laden and asked tje U.S. If we wanted
> him. We said we don't want him brcause the white
> house was TOO FUCKIN' BUSY DEALING WITH MONICA L.
> and the cigar-in-ass under desk allegations.

That is just not true.

> Oh and any sane man would swap Sarah Palin for
> your teleprompter messiah anyday.

You go ahead and find people dumber than you are to believe. OK. "OH Obama taught law at Harvard, we cant trust him."

"Palin went to 5-6 colleges to get a 4 year degree in Journalism - she is the one I trust!"

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> Learn how to read!

My apologies, I mistook you for someone misinformed not stupid. I see now that you are both.

> First, as far as I know, none of the Acorn
> allegations took place in VA. That being said:
>
> No one, I repeat NO ONE has ever said or made
> allegations that ANYONE tried to or was asked to,
> or actually did vote using the fake info they
> filled out on a voter registration form. Got it?

I get it, do you get it when it comes to the fact that filling out a voter registration form fraudulently is as "big a deal" as voting fraudulently? The VA code says as much. Look at other states codes if you want to discount VA, you will find the same.

> No one voted or was asked to vote or had the
> intention of actually voting using the name
> provided on the fraudulent forms. This has
> investigated by the "Federali's" under both
> administrations. So all anyone did was fill out
> paperwork.

Which is a Class 5 FELONY. Which, by the way, calls for greater sentencing that the Class 6 Felony.

> And in VA, filling out the paperwork fraudulently
> is a Class 5 Felony. A person who votes is a Class
> 1 Misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving my point. The paperwork fraud is punished more severely than the voting. You seem to be able to type it, just not understand it.

> The point you can not get through pea brain is
> that ACORN did exactly what they were supposed to
> do. Their canvassers collected registration forms
> and Acorn flagged the ones as potentially
> fraudulent (which they are required by law to do)
> and sent them in with all the registration forms
> they collected - (which they are legally required
> to do).

Pea brain, that's a good one. I bet you hear it a ton.

> They actions were investigated by both
> administrations and they are still in business.
> Just not receiving $4 billion in grants.

Look, leave the legaling to o0o_((((o))((o))))_o0o. Haven't you heard? He's a top notch blue chip lawyer from a prestigious school working at an even more prestigious firm.

They were afraid of Clinton?
You are a true satirist.
Cigar anybody?

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STFU Wrote:
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> Your pee-brain left out that they should not be
> canvassing shit.
> It is a third party special interest groups trying
> to sway the outcome of elections. Now look at the
> garbage UNQUALIFIED president we have now because
> of this conflict of interests.


Let us try this so you may understand.

Singular is Conflict of Interest
Plural is Conflicts of Interest

And You said: "Thank you for proving my point. The paperwork fraud is punished more severely than the voting. You seem to be able to type it, just not understand it."

And I will say, as I said before, IN Virginia! How many charges were filed against Accorn for Voter Registration Fraud in VIRGINIA?

That's it fixate on my usage of plurals for conflicts of interests.

Totally ignore the main point made about third party tax-payer funded voting/ voter tampering.

Lay off the crack, then you might see what is written and not just what you want to see and respond to.

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> And You said: "Thank you for proving my point. The
> paperwork fraud is punished more severely than the
> voting. You seem to be able to type it, just not
> understand it."

Actually, I said that. I see you are having trouble keeping up with the conversation.

> And I will say, as I said before, IN Virginia! How
> many charges were filed against Accorn for Voter
> Registration Fraud in VIRGINIA?

I am not sure how many were filed against Accorn. My understanding is that none were filed against ACORN in VA though. Is Accorn an affiliate of ACORN?

As to the point you are attempting to make, you are failing. You don't like VA, let's look at Ohio - registration fraud felony fifth degree; voting fraud felony fourth degree. You are going to find similar statutes across the country. It directly refutes your claim that "One is no big deal, the other is a big deal."

I just love watching you work...

Nevermind. I'm completely talking out of my ass. I like to make stuff up regularly to make up for my many shortcomings.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html#va

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VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."

Fraud suspected in wave of voter registrations in region
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/07/fraud-suspected-wave-voter-registrations-region

The democrats response to this was that people were trying to suppress voter registration/participation...

I don't understand how it is suppression - if the folks want to vote, they will go and register. If they can't be bothered to go to the appropriate places - a post office, the registrars office, etc (not like these places are hidden or hard to find). They even have registration drives at churches. It really is not that hard to register to vote - especially not in VA. Maybe some other states have issues, but they don't make it hard here.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The invasion of Iraq will go down as the biggest
> foreign policy mistake this country has ever made.

Ever?

What would you say are #2 through #5?

Just wondering what you base your logic on.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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>
> There was no "voter fraud." No one showed up at
> the poles, with or without ACORN direction,
> wanting to vote using someone else's name.

You are right. No one showed up at the "poles." I don't even think there were elections at the "poles." Are you a product of the FCPS? You clearly are not smarter than a 5th grader.

Sorry, NO WE FUCKIN' CAN'T Wrote:
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> Not when that Nigger Barrack Hussien Obama is
> trying to give 4 Billion thats right Billion
> Taxpayer dollars to Acorn which assists with child
> smuggling and prostitution operations, and
> defrauding the U.S. Taxpayer and the Government.
>
> Enjoy:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwbEPjYqKwI
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-1rs5lBjA
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get your facts Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
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> > And You said: "Thank you for proving my point.
> The
> > paperwork fraud is punished more severely than
> the
> > voting. You seem to be able to type it, just
> not
> > understand it."
>
> Actually, I said that. I see you are having
> trouble keeping up with the conversation.
>
> > And I will say, as I said before, IN Virginia!
> How
> > many charges were filed against Accorn for
> Voter
> > Registration Fraud in VIRGINIA?
>
> I am not sure how many were filed against Accorn.
> My understanding is that none were filed against
> ACORN in VA though. Is Accorn an affiliate of
> ACORN?
>
> As to the point you are attempting to make, you
> are failing. You don't like VA, let's look at
> Ohio - registration fraud felony fifth degree;
> voting fraud felony fourth degree. You are going
> to find similar statutes across the country. It
> directly refutes your claim that "One is no big
> deal, the other is a big deal."

So if you are making a valid point, then why does Fox News and the right wing continue to call it Voter Fraud and not, more accurately Voter Registration Fraud?

Radiophile Wrote:
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> So if you are making a valid point, then why does
> Fox News and the right wing continue to call it
> Voter Fraud and not, more accurately Voter
> Registration Fraud?

You mean like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/09/acorn-workers-face-charges-alleged-voter-registration-fraud-florida/

What does the headline say?

Or this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519337,00.html

What does the headline say? How long does it take Beck to correctly identify it as "voter registration fraud" in the opening segment?

I am not in the business of defending the right wing or Fox News, but I do have to call bullshit on your ""one is no big deal, the other is a big deal." In my mind, when you make a blatently false statement such as that, you are as patently misleading and dishonest as those making the "voter fraud" claims.

After seeing the statutes do you still stand by your claim? If so, you are no better than those you seek to refute. You should at least refute their illogical, pandering rhetoric with logic and facts if you want to be seen as credible.

I do miss Bush. He was steadfast in his defense of the nation. He stood virtually alone as the left and the media howled about Iraq. Because of Bush, we are on the verge of seeing a terror supporting nation (Iraq) becoming a responsible country. One that Biden can claim as a great Obama victory.
Bush in 2007 the last year of a Republican Congress had a 162 billion dollar deficit, not good, but nowhere in the ballpark of 1.6 TRILLION for 2 years in a row!
So, yeah, I miss Bush.

how can we miss you if you wont go away, eh? Steve bicko.

From Politico
October 09, 2008
Categories: Newspapers

Two kinds of fraud
"Acorn" may not exactly be a household word, but it was on the cover of one of the newspapers I read in hard copy today, so it seemed worth getting into a marginal story that the GOP is trying to make central.

The key distinction here is between voter fraud and voter registration fraud, one of which is truly dangerous, the other a petty crime.

The former would be, say, voting the cemeteries or stuffing the ballot boxes. This has happened occasionally in American history, though I can think of recent instances only in rare local races. Practically speaking, this can most easily be done by whoever is actually administering the election, which is why partisan observers carefully oversee the vote-counting process.

The latter is putting the names of fake voters on the rolls, something that happens primarily when organizations, like Acorn, pay contractors for new voter registrations. That can be a crime, and it messes up the voter files, but there's virtually no evidence these imaginary people then vote in November. The current stories about Acorn don't even allege a plan to affect the November vote.

So the New York Post's story leads:

Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley, claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up.

There's not even an allegation that the guy was being pressed to vote twice.

Acorn, meanwhile, is denouncing the raid on its Nevada office as a political stunt and says it had tried to alert authorities to its own bad registrations.

And Acorn is taking credit for registering 1.3 million new voters, which is a lot, though the fake ones, of course, along with being against the law, are worthless.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> From Politico
> October 09, 2008
> Categories: Newspapers
>
> Two kinds of fraud
> "Acorn" may not exactly be a household word, but
> it was on the cover of one of the newspapers I
> read in hard copy today, so it seemed worth
> getting into a marginal story that the GOP is
> trying to make central.
>
> The key distinction here is between voter fraud
> and voter registration fraud, one of which is
> truly dangerous, the other a petty crime.
>
> The former would be, say, voting the cemeteries or
> stuffing the ballot boxes. This has happened
> occasionally in American history, though I can
> think of recent instances only in rare local
> races. Practically speaking, this can most easily
> be done by whoever is actually administering the
> election, which is why partisan observers
> carefully oversee the vote-counting process.
>
> The latter is putting the names of fake voters on
> the rolls, something that happens primarily when
> organizations, like Acorn, pay contractors for new
> voter registrations. That can be a crime, and it
> messes up the voter files, but there's virtually
> no evidence these imaginary people then vote in
> November. The current stories about Acorn don't
> even allege a plan to affect the November vote.
>
> So the New York Post's story leads:
>
> Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker
> Christopher Barkley, claimed yesterday that they
> were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN
> to register to vote several times, even though
> they made it clear they'd already signed up.
>
> There's not even an allegation that the guy was
> being pressed to vote twice.
>
> Acorn, meanwhile, is denouncing the raid on its
> Nevada office as a political stunt and says it had
> tried to alert authorities to its own bad
> registrations.
>
> And Acorn is taking credit for registering 1.3
> million new voters, which is a lot, though the
> fake ones, of course, along with being against the
> law, are worthless.

The only thing you prove with this is that you can cut and paste an entry into Ben Smith's blog onto this site. Congratulations. Unfortunately, He is as mistaken as you are.

Let's look at some Nevada laws applicable in these cases.

Voting Fraud: NRS 293.780 Voting more than once at same election.

1. A person who is entitled to vote shall not vote or attempt to vote more than once at the same election. Any person who votes or attempts to vote twice at the same election is guilty of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

(d) A category D felony is a felony for which a court shall sentence a convicted person to imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 4 years. In addition to any other penalty, the court may impose a fine of not more than $5,000, unless a greater fine is authorized or required by statute.

NRS 293.800 Acts concerning registration of voters; violations of laws governing elections; crimes by public officers.

1. A person who, for himself or another person, willfully gives a false answer or answers to questions propounded to him by the registrar or field registrar of voters relating to the information called for by the application to register to vote, or who willfully falsifies his application in any particular, or who violates any of the provisions of the election laws of this State, or knowingly encourages another person to violate those laws is guilty of a category E felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

(e) A category E felony is a felony for which a court shall sentence a convicted person to imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 4 years. Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of subsection 1 of NRS 176A.100, upon sentencing a person who is found guilty of a category E felony, the court shall suspend the execution of the sentence and grant probation to the person upon such conditions as the court deems appropriate. Such conditions of probation may include, but are not limited to, requiring the person to serve a term of confinement of not more than 1 year in the county jail. In addition to any other penalty, the court may impose a fine of not more than $5,000, unless a greater penalty is authorized or required by statute.
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We've looked at OH earlier, but apparently you and Mr. Smith need some more education on the laws governing "voter registration fraud" and "voter fraud."

So, here is OH as it seems you are unable to find it for yourself.

3599.11 False voter registration - registration forms.
(A) No person shall knowingly register or make application or attempt to register in a precinct in which the person is not a qualified voter; or knowingly aid or abet any person to so register; or attempt to register or knowingly induce or attempt to induce any person to so register; or knowingly impersonate another or write or assume the name of another, real or fictitious, in registering or attempting to register; or by false statement or other unlawful means procure, aid, or attempt to procure the erasure or striking out on the register or duplicate list of the name of a qualified elector therein; or knowingly induce or attempt to induce a registrar or other election authority to refuse registration in a precinct to an elector thereof; or knowingly swear or affirm falsely upon a lawful examination by or before any registering officer; or make, print, or issue any false or counterfeit certificate of registration or knowingly alter any certificate of registration.

No person shall knowingly register under more than one name or knowingly induce any person to so register.

No person shall knowingly make any false statement on any form for registration or change of registration or upon any application or return envelope for an absent voter’s ballot.

Whoever violates this division is guilty of a felony of the fifth degree.

more here: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3599.11

3599.12 Illegal voting.
(A) No person shall do any of the following:

(1) Vote or attempt to vote in any primary, special, or general election in a precinct in which that person is not a legally qualified elector;

(2) Vote or attempt to vote more than once at the same election by any means, including voting or attempting to vote both by absent voter’s ballots under division (G) of section 3503.16 of the Revised Code and by regular ballot at the polls at the same election, or voting or attempting to vote both by absent voter’s ballots under division (G) of section 3503.16 of the Revised Code and by absent voter’s ballots under Chapter 3509. or armed service absent voter’s ballots under Chapter 3511. of the Revised Code at the same election;

(3) Impersonate or sign the name of another person, real or fictitious, living or dead, and vote or attempt to vote as that other person in any such election;

(4) Cast a ballot at any such election after objection has been made and sustained to that person’s vote;

(5) Knowingly vote or attempt to vote a ballot other than the official ballot.

(B) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of a felony of the fourth degree.


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So, I still have to ask, after seeing the crimes defined and their associated sentencing guidelines, do you still cling to the "one is no big deal, the other is a big deal" statement? It is a pretty simple question that you can't seem to answer.

Yeah, one is a 4th degree and the other a fifth....Idiot.

And Acorn was found not guilty on either. Idiot.



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Radiophile Wrote:
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> Yeah, one is a 4th degree and the other a
> fifth....Idiot.

And those penalties are? Speaking of an idiot..... Those penalties are negligible and HARDLY qualify as differentiating.

Are they both felonies? What are they punishable by? So, "one is no big deal, the other is a big deal" still stands? Yeah, you are as credible as Beck and Palin. Seiously, you are as partisan and retarded sounding as the far right.

> And Acorn was found not guilty on either. Idiot.

August 19, 2009 · 129 Comments
From the Associated Press, August 19, 2009:

“Ex-ACORN Vegas director to testify against group
By OSKAR GARCIA (AP) – 2 hours ago

LAS VEGAS — A former Las Vegas director for a political advocacy group accused of illegally paying canvassers to register voters during last year’s presidential campaign has pleaded guilty to a reduced charge and agreed to testify against the group and another employee.

Christopher Edwards pleaded guilty this week to two gross misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters. He agreed to testify against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, and Amy Busefink, a former regional voter registration director.

The case threatens the group’s ability to operate in Nevada, with the possibility that the group could have its status as a nonprofit corporation revoked, said Conrad Hafen, chief deputy attorney general for Nevada.

Hafen’s said Edwards’ testimony strengthens the state’s case against ACORN and Busefink.

“It adds to the evidence that we already have,” Hafen said Wednesday. “It makes a strong case that much stronger.”

Busefink’s lawyer, Kevin Stolworthy, said she plans to fight the charges. A lawyer for ACORN did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment from The Associated Press.

Prosecutors said in court documents that Edwards, Busefink and ACORN created a bonus incentive program that paid canvassers an extra $5 per shift if they turned in at least 21 voter registration cards at the end of the day. Prosecutors said violates state laws that prevent a system that pays workers based on the number of registrations they turn in.”


3 voting advocates guilty
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM
By Barbara Carmen

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Three staff members for Vote Today Ohio, an independent get-out-the-vote organization supporting Barack Obama, pleaded guilty in Franklin County this afternoon to improper voting.

The three came to Ohio from states where Obama was likely to win in an effort to swing Ohio's electoral college vote toward their candidate, Judge Charles A. Schneider said. The judge gave all three 60 days in jail but suspended it if they paid a $1,000 fine. He also ordered a year's probation.

The three are Daniel Hausman, 32, and Amy Little, 50, both of New York, and Yolanda Hippensteele, 30, of California. They told the court they had good intentions when they registered to vote and cast ballots the same day in early voting at Veterans Memorial.

"I was paying rent and living full-time in Ohio," Hippensteele told the judge, "I didn't attempt to vote in another state. ... I think it's all a misunderstanding. I have a profound respect for the voting process."

Assistant Prosecutor Brian Simms said the three later tried to rescind their registration and cancel their votes; two were successful. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien had warned visiting campaign staff members that they shouldn't vote here if they didn't plan to stay after the election.

Schneider told the three that "rescinding your request is like giving back the money once you've been caught."

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And I am to assume you are willing to recant. Speaking of idiots....

I am correct. He was not charged with either of the crimes we are talking about.

And why are you so worried about Acorn? Do you find some of the things Blackwater did offensive? Dyncorp? So many of the contractors who are getting direct payments from the government and committing crimes and getting away with it.

Do you just focus on Acorn? Trust me their are far more dangerous organizations out there.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> I am correct. He was not charged with either of
> the crimes we are talking about.

Oh really? Here is the quote from the Columbus Dispatch:
"Three staff members for Vote Today Ohio, an independent get-out-the-vote organization supporting Barack Obama, pleaded guilty in Franklin County this afternoon to improper voting."

That is a clear violation of the Ohio Code section 3599.12.



> And why are you so worried about Acorn? Do you
> find some of the things Blackwater did offensive?
> Dyncorp? So many of the contractors who are
> getting direct payments from the government and
> committing crimes and getting away with it.

Why change the subject? Is that what you do when you run out of logical points (assuming you ever had any) But, because you asked, yes, I find the activities you mentioned offensive.

> Do you just focus on Acorn? Trust me their are far
> more dangerous organizations out there.

Given your willingness to obfuscate facts, I think I will hold off on trusting you regarding any matter. No offense, but until you can stop cutting and pasting inaccurate and misleading talking points, your credibility is shot to hell.

Nice Pediophile,

I see you tried to minimize the damages by shining the light on other corrupt organizations that are corrupt in a different manner. Also none of those other organizations have tried to, or assisted in the gathering and using of false voting info or help put an UNQUALIFIED and OFFENSIVE person as Barrack Hussien Obama (aka Barry Sotoro) into the seat of the president to drive our country deeper into debt while eating whitehouse caviar.

How does this work again?

http://www.recovery.gov/pages/textview.aspx?data=recipientHomeMap
Reporting Period

Total Funds Awarded Total Funds Received
Feb 17 - Sep 30, 2009 $157,910,415,035.79 $36,161,998,478.72
Oct 1 - Dec 31, 2009 $40,607,197,520.87 $21,165,278,654.31

So out of $767B, only $200B or so has been awarded as of Dec 31, 2009.

It seems like most of the money that went out was just what met State government shortfalls, and maybe unemployment extensions. Doesn't it seem a bit ludicrous to tout that somehow this act was responsible for turning the economy around? I can see TARP as having a much larger effect in reality.

Obama Starts Push to Cast Stimulus Bill as a Success
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/us/politics/18obama.html

There seems to be some very significant disconnect from reality for these folks.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Brilliant...

Stimulus funds going to slashed programs
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htm

Quote

WASHINGTON — More than $3.5 billion in economic stimulus funds are going to programs that President Obama wants to eliminate or trim in his new budget.

The president's budget released this month recommends getting rid of Army Corps of Engineers' drinking-water projects, which got $200 million in stimulus funds, and a U.S. Department of Agriculture flood-prevention program, which received $290 million from the stimulus, a USA TODAY review of stimulus spending reports show.
...

Stimulus spending: A year later
A year ago today, President Obama signed the economic stimulus bill, which the Congressional Budget Office now says will cost $862 billion. The law provides $626 billion in spending and $236 billion in tax cuts.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htm#table

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

while the president may change, the government will only change when the assholes in office finally die.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Well, actually, I do miss him.

Let's see, when he was president, I had a high paying job with more potential for salary growth. My houe appreciated at a higher rate.

The Democrats took over Congress in 2006, and the White House in 2008. I voted for both of those "changeS." Since then, I lost a job and was forced to take a job that, while it pays the same, has less potential to earn more. My house has also lost value. I suppose that is in fact "change," but the Democrats can keep it. I even voted for Creigh Deeds in VA. However, the Democrats have gone too far to the left to keep my vote. As long as the Republicans don't run Sarah Palin, they can count on my vote in the next Presidential election. FWIW, I actually think Romney would be a good President and I am starting to like Pawlenty. Beyond that, I am not sure of the rest of the Republican field because I don't know enough about them.

Also, seeing how rabid Demcrats are now a days has really turned me off to them. Just look at how that poster Radiophile argues tooth and nail even though he has been proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, the Republicans have their faults, but the Democrats have done nothing to improve this country since they took power in 2006.

that's because LIBERAL COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS SUCK!

regular guy Wrote:
> Let's see, when he was president, I had a high
> paying job with more potential for salary growth.
> My houe appreciated at a higher rate.
>
> The Democrats took over Congress in 2006, and the
> White House in 2008. I voted for both of those
> "changeS." Since then, I lost a job and was
> forced to take a job that, while it pays the same,
> has less potential to earn more. My house has
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First, please show the chart from January '01 to February '08. Second, draw some nice little lines and arrows that show me when the Democrats took over Congress. Thanks,

bigger picture? Wrote:
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> Voter___ Wrote:
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> (incomplete picture)
>
>
> First, please show the chart from January '01 to
> February '08. Second, draw some nice little lines
> and arrows that show me when the Democrats took
> over Congress. Thanks,


The housing market rose and then imploded because of "reforms" instituted by Republicans in Congress between 1995 and 2007. They eliminated the firewall between banks and brokers which resulted in the gaming of the system that led to the mortgage crisis. The housing bubble was already starting to burst when Dems took control of Congress in 2007.

As for unemployment, show me a chart from 1993 to 2009, if you want a real comparison.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> The housing market rose and then imploded because
> of "reforms" instituted by Republicans in Congress
> between 1995 and 2007. They eliminated the
> firewall between banks and brokers which resulted
> in the gaming of the system that led to the
> mortgage crisis.

I assume you are talking about Gramm/Leach/Bliley? I realize that is what the unsubstantiated talking point from moveon.org tells you to believe, but the facts just don't prove you right.

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>
> I assume you are talking about Gramm/Leach/Bliley?
> I realize that is what the unsubstantiated
> talking point from moveon.org tells you to
> believe, but the facts just don't prove you right.


I am very familiar with why Glass-Steagall was enacted in the first place and why it was so bad for it to be gutted. As for unsubstantiated, I think the facts speak for themselves. It created a huge conflict of interest between the banks and the securities industry that led to the mortgage crisis. And, yes, Clinton and the Democrats were stupid fucks for going along with Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> gogo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> >
> > I assume you are talking about
> Gramm/Leach/Bliley?
> > I realize that is what the unsubstantiated
> > talking point from moveon.org tells you to
> > believe, but the facts just don't prove you
> right.
>
>
> I am very familiar with why Glass-Steagall was
> enacted in the first place and why it was so bad
> for it to be gutted. As for unsubstantiated, I
> think the facts speak for themselves. It created a
> huge conflict of interest between the banks and
> the securities industry that led to the mortgage
> crisis. And, yes, Clinton and the Democrats were
> stupid fucks for going along with
> Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

Good job, that was straight from the moveon.org talking point. Too bad Gramm/Leach/Bliley actually softened the crisis. But hey, why let facts get in the way of some good old fashioned political grandstanding and finger pointing.

gogo Wrote:
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>
> Good job, that was straight from the moveon.org
> talking point. Too bad Gramm/Leach/Bliley
> actually softened the crisis. But hey, why let
> facts get in the way of some good old fashioned
> political grandstanding and finger pointing.


Reading the RNC talking points, I see.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> gogo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> >
> > Good job, that was straight from the moveon.org
> > talking point. Too bad Gramm/Leach/Bliley
> > actually softened the crisis. But hey, why let
> > facts get in the way of some good old fashioned
> > political grandstanding and finger pointing.
>
>
> Reading the RNC talking points, I see.

That was clever, but apparently you don't see much.

Nonpartisan organizations have been calling bullshit on the moveon.org talking points for well over a year. I suppose koolaiders like you have just chosen to ignore them or really don't give a shit about facts. So, does moveon give you cookies with your koolaid, or are all you koolaiders on a liquid only diet?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

gogo Wrote:
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>
> That was clever, but apparently you don't see
> much.
>
> Nonpartisan organizations have been calling
> bullshit on the moveon.org talking points for well
> over a year. I suppose koolaiders like you have
> just chosen to ignore them or really don't give a
> shit about facts. So, does moveon give you
> cookies with your koolaid, or are all you
> koolaiders on a liquid only diet?
>
> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused
> _the_economic_crisis.html


You are referencing something that was written a few weeks after Lehman collapsed. The piece talks about what great shape Citigroup was in. It's wrong.

Here is what happened. Because the firewall between banks (commercial and investment) and securities functions was stripped away, it allowed banks to package their mortgages into mortgage-backed securities with little regulation or oversight. Because of the lack of third party supervision, they were able to come up with bullshit formulas that deceived ratings agencies into giving these junk securities AAA ratings. The credit rating agencies were further reassured with the development of credit default swaps to "insure" these bogus mortgage-backed securities. Now that the banks had a way to profit from crap mortgages, they encouraged mortgage originators to generate as many loans as possible. Mortgage originators then started exploiting the poor and the stupid by mocking up their mortgage applications to show that they had more income than they actually did while getting appraisers to appraise property for more than it was worth. While CRA and Fannie played some role, they were not the major factors behind it. It was the securitization of mortgages made possible by Gramm/Leach/Bliley that was responsible.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2010 11:10AM by WashingTone-Locian.

I do miss the time when you could call the President a dumbass and not be labeled a racist.