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Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
()
Date: December 15, 2012 10:08AM
CAVUTO: You know, invariably, people ask after tragedies like this, "How could God let this happen?"
HUCKABEE: Well, you know, it's an interesting thing. We ask why there is violence in our schools but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability -- that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that. And so I sometimes, when people say, why did God let it happen. You know, God wasn't armed. He didn't go to the school. But God will be there in the form of a lot people with hugs and with therapy and a whole lot of ways in which I think he will be involved in the aftermath. Maybe we ought to let him in on the front end and we wouldn't have to call him to show up when it's all said and done at the back end.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/12/14/huckabee-schools-become-a-place-of-carnage-when/191864
HUCKABEE: Well, you know, it's an interesting thing. We ask why there is violence in our schools but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability -- that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that. And so I sometimes, when people say, why did God let it happen. You know, God wasn't armed. He didn't go to the school. But God will be there in the form of a lot people with hugs and with therapy and a whole lot of ways in which I think he will be involved in the aftermath. Maybe we ought to let him in on the front end and we wouldn't have to call him to show up when it's all said and done at the back end.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/12/14/huckabee-schools-become-a-place-of-carnage-when/191864
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2012 10:13AM
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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>
> that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch
> us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment.
If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of god or the police to prevent you from killing a whole bunch little kids, you are one scary individual.
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>
> that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch
> us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment.
If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of god or the police to prevent you from killing a whole bunch little kids, you are one scary individual.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
()
Date: December 15, 2012 10:14AM
I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade education. I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve in a playground in the daytime (see my user name and you can guess..).
So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the regular posters here. So please be kind and explain to me one thing. What is the difference between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church says? Honestly, I see no difference.
Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the users here with a high school diploma.
So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the regular posters here. So please be kind and explain to me one thing. What is the difference between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church says? Honestly, I see no difference.
Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the users here with a high school diploma.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
dont blame me
()
Date: December 15, 2012 10:56AM
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade education.
> I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve in
> a playground in the daytime (see my user name and
> you can guess..).
>
> So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> regular posters here. So please be kind and
> explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what
> that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church
> says? Honestly, I see no difference.
>
> Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the
> users here with a high school diploma.
Don't blame me I am gay and it wasn't me this time
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> I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade education.
> I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve in
> a playground in the daytime (see my user name and
> you can guess..).
>
> So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> regular posters here. So please be kind and
> explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what
> that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church
> says? Honestly, I see no difference.
>
> Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the
> users here with a high school diploma.
Don't blame me I am gay and it wasn't me this time
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
SoylentGreen
()
Date: December 15, 2012 12:14PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of
> god or the police to prevent you from killing a
> whole bunch little kids, you are one scary
> individual.
Such comforting words. You should forward this post to whoever will be presiding over twenty funerals with less than average sized graves.
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> If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of
> god or the police to prevent you from killing a
> whole bunch little kids, you are one scary
> individual.
Such comforting words. You should forward this post to whoever will be presiding over twenty funerals with less than average sized graves.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Broken covenant
()
Date: December 15, 2012 12:15PM
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade education.
> I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve in
> a playground in the daytime (see my user name and
> you can guess..).
>
> So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> regular posters here. So please be kind and
> explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what
> that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church
> says? Honestly, I see no difference.
>
> Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the
> users here with a high school diploma.
Huckabee is saying that removing God has made places less Godly and thus, they become places of violence and decay. As I understand it, the WBC folks say God is punishing the US for becoming decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality. Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment, but rather the natural extension of turning our backs on God. Totally different.
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> I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade education.
> I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve in
> a playground in the daytime (see my user name and
> you can guess..).
>
> So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> regular posters here. So please be kind and
> explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> between what the good Rev Huckabee said and what
> that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist Church
> says? Honestly, I see no difference.
>
> Please help me to understand. I rely on you, the
> users here with a high school diploma.
Huckabee is saying that removing God has made places less Godly and thus, they become places of violence and decay. As I understand it, the WBC folks say God is punishing the US for becoming decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality. Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment, but rather the natural extension of turning our backs on God. Totally different.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Go figure
()
Date: December 15, 2012 12:28PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> > Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade
> education.
> > I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve
> in
> > a playground in the daytime (see my user name
> and
> > you can guess..).
> >
> > So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> > regular posters here. So please be kind and
> > explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> > between what the good Rev Huckabee said and
> what
> > that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist
> Church
> > says? Honestly, I see no difference.
> >
> > Please help me to understand. I rely on you,
> the
> > users here with a high school diploma.
>
>
> Huckabee is saying that removing God has made
> places less Godly and thus, they become places of
> violence and decay. As I understand it, the WBC
> folks say God is punishing the US for becoming
> decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality.
> Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment,
> but rather the natural extension of turning our
> backs on God. Totally different.
Don't expect the miscreants here to understand anything beyond fingernail-scratch deep. If somebody says the word God in any context, they're too busy tripping over each other to try to make fun of it.
Might try posting one of eesh's more gruesome death pics. That they seem to like. Go figure.
Anyway... Who wants to play COD? I'ma gonna kill some mutha fuckers!
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> Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> > Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade
> education.
> > I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve
> in
> > a playground in the daytime (see my user name
> and
> > you can guess..).
> >
> > So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> > regular posters here. So please be kind and
> > explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> > between what the good Rev Huckabee said and
> what
> > that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist
> Church
> > says? Honestly, I see no difference.
> >
> > Please help me to understand. I rely on you,
> the
> > users here with a high school diploma.
>
>
> Huckabee is saying that removing God has made
> places less Godly and thus, they become places of
> violence and decay. As I understand it, the WBC
> folks say God is punishing the US for becoming
> decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality.
> Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment,
> but rather the natural extension of turning our
> backs on God. Totally different.
Don't expect the miscreants here to understand anything beyond fingernail-scratch deep. If somebody says the word God in any context, they're too busy tripping over each other to try to make fun of it.
Might try posting one of eesh's more gruesome death pics. That they seem to like. Go figure.
Anyway... Who wants to play COD? I'ma gonna kill some mutha fuckers!
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Bread of Life
()
Date: December 15, 2012 12:41PM
'Tis Time To put God back into public schools... We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to get parents to start asking and requesting that GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
Attachments:
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Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2012 01:13PM
SoylentGreen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Such comforting words. You should forward this
> post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> funerals with less than average sized graves.
My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone. I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous notion that people should behave humanely because they fear god.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Such comforting words. You should forward this
> post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> funerals with less than average sized graves.
My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone. I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous notion that people should behave humanely because they fear god.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Mike H.
()
Date: December 15, 2012 01:23PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> SoylentGreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Such comforting words. You should forward this
> > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > funerals with less than average sized graves.
>
>
> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
Whether you want to attribute it to your own version of God or otherwise, the same basic point applies. When people have no moral base and, in fact, anti-moral/anti-social behavior is encouraged in many ways, why would we be surprised when someone acts in ways that reflect that?
-------------------------------------------------------
> SoylentGreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Such comforting words. You should forward this
> > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > funerals with less than average sized graves.
>
>
> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
Whether you want to attribute it to your own version of God or otherwise, the same basic point applies. When people have no moral base and, in fact, anti-moral/anti-social behavior is encouraged in many ways, why would we be surprised when someone acts in ways that reflect that?
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: December 15, 2012 01:42PM
You don't need religion to know what's right and wrong. Sorry, but that just comes down to parenting. Such a shame that violence is happening now in these days of secularism, unlike the past when violence never, ever happened.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Broken covenant
()
Date: December 15, 2012 01:46PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> SoylentGreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Such comforting words. You should forward this
> > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > funerals with less than average sized graves.
>
>
> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether the laws are those of God or of society. Yet mankind demonstrates daily that there are many among us who will do evil to their fellow man. The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why we have laws. That is why God gave us his commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's have not changed or been shown to be counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind for millennia. The same can not be said of the laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love. You start off with a false premise. Your logic is flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of your arguement.
-------------------------------------------------------
> SoylentGreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Such comforting words. You should forward this
> > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > funerals with less than average sized graves.
>
>
> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether the laws are those of God or of society. Yet mankind demonstrates daily that there are many among us who will do evil to their fellow man. The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why we have laws. That is why God gave us his commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's have not changed or been shown to be counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind for millennia. The same can not be said of the laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love. You start off with a false premise. Your logic is flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of your arguement.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Broken covenant
()
Date: December 15, 2012 02:00PM
Realist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You don't need religion to know what's right and
> wrong. Sorry, but that just comes down to
> parenting. Such a shame that violence is happening
> now in these days of secularism, unlike the past
> when violence never, ever happened.
We apparently need something since our society is crumbling down around us. Parenting? Funny. Especially as we birth babies to be raised by the grandmother. 41% of all births in the US are now to unwed mothers (over 70% of blacks and almost 70% of hispanics). There are no more parents! Just egg and sperm donors. Just another example of reaping the secular hell that we have sown. Marriage means nothing anymore, so why get married? The concept of family in our society has devolved to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. You expect enlightened behavior from immoral people who want to live as perpetual teenagers seeking instant gratification and no thought to the future that their kids will have to live in. You expect way too much.
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> You don't need religion to know what's right and
> wrong. Sorry, but that just comes down to
> parenting. Such a shame that violence is happening
> now in these days of secularism, unlike the past
> when violence never, ever happened.
We apparently need something since our society is crumbling down around us. Parenting? Funny. Especially as we birth babies to be raised by the grandmother. 41% of all births in the US are now to unwed mothers (over 70% of blacks and almost 70% of hispanics). There are no more parents! Just egg and sperm donors. Just another example of reaping the secular hell that we have sown. Marriage means nothing anymore, so why get married? The concept of family in our society has devolved to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. You expect enlightened behavior from immoral people who want to live as perpetual teenagers seeking instant gratification and no thought to the future that their kids will have to live in. You expect way too much.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Kathleen Sebelius
()
Date: December 15, 2012 02:07PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
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>
> We apparently need something since our society is
> crumbling down around us. Parenting? Funny.
> Especially as we birth babies to be raised by the
> grandmother. 41% of all births in the US are now
> to unwed mothers (over 70% of blacks and almost
> 70% of hispanics). There are no more
> parents! Just egg and sperm donors. Just
> another example of reaping the secular hell that
> we have sown. Marriage means nothing anymore, so
> why get married? The concept of family in our
> society has devolved to mean whatever someone
> wants it to mean. You expect enlightened behavior
> from immoral people who want to live as perpetual
> teenagers seeking instant gratification and no
> thought to the future that their kids will have to
> live in. You expect way too much.
I'm Kathleen Sebelius and we at HHS running Uncle Sam's Plantation endorse this message.
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>
> We apparently need something since our society is
> crumbling down around us. Parenting? Funny.
> Especially as we birth babies to be raised by the
> grandmother. 41% of all births in the US are now
> to unwed mothers (over 70% of blacks and almost
> 70% of hispanics). There are no more
> parents! Just egg and sperm donors. Just
> another example of reaping the secular hell that
> we have sown. Marriage means nothing anymore, so
> why get married? The concept of family in our
> society has devolved to mean whatever someone
> wants it to mean. You expect enlightened behavior
> from immoral people who want to live as perpetual
> teenagers seeking instant gratification and no
> thought to the future that their kids will have to
> live in. You expect way too much.
I'm Kathleen Sebelius and we at HHS running Uncle Sam's Plantation endorse this message.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
SoylentGreen
()
Date: December 15, 2012 02:31PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
I really wish you'd stop judging the vast majority on this planet based on the ramblings of three idiots you heard about on MSNBC.
I have so many good honest questions to ask you about what you wrote above but I'd be wasting my time wouldn't I?
I'll leave you with this. YOU fear god. Only you. "Religious conservatives" fear satan. Break that down in any manner you wish but religious or not, mankind will always choose good to embrace and evil to fear.
Man..............he's on his own one at a time.
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> My post has nothing to do with comforting anyone.
> I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> used by religious conservatives. The ridiculous
> notion that people should behave humanely because
> they fear god.
I really wish you'd stop judging the vast majority on this planet based on the ramblings of three idiots you heard about on MSNBC.
I have so many good honest questions to ask you about what you wrote above but I'd be wasting my time wouldn't I?
I'll leave you with this. YOU fear god. Only you. "Religious conservatives" fear satan. Break that down in any manner you wish but religious or not, mankind will always choose good to embrace and evil to fear.
Man..............he's on his own one at a time.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
devil worshipper
()
Date: December 15, 2012 04:09PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SoylentGreen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Such comforting words. You should forward
> this
> > > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > > funerals with less than average sized graves.
> >
> >
> > My post has nothing to do with comforting
> anyone.
> > I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> > used by religious conservatives. The
> ridiculous
> > notion that people should behave humanely
> because
> > they fear god.
>
>
> Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the
> law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether
> the laws are those of God or of society. Yet
> mankind demonstrates daily that there are many
> among us who will do evil to their fellow man.
> The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional
> harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why
> we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's
> have not changed or been shown to be
> counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind
> for millennia. The same can not be said of the
> laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The
> path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love.
> You start off with a false premise. Your logic is
> flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of
> your arguement.
Praise Evil
-------------------------------------------------------
> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SoylentGreen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Such comforting words. You should forward
> this
> > > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > > funerals with less than average sized graves.
> >
> >
> > My post has nothing to do with comforting
> anyone.
> > I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> > used by religious conservatives. The
> ridiculous
> > notion that people should behave humanely
> because
> > they fear god.
>
>
> Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the
> law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether
> the laws are those of God or of society. Yet
> mankind demonstrates daily that there are many
> among us who will do evil to their fellow man.
> The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional
> harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why
> we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's
> have not changed or been shown to be
> counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind
> for millennia. The same can not be said of the
> laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The
> path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love.
> You start off with a false premise. Your logic is
> flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of
> your arguement.
Praise Evil
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
_PPP_
()
Date: December 15, 2012 04:24PM
Bread of Life Wrote:
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> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
YES we need ALLAH back into the schools NOW..oh wait, you mean YOUR GOD?
Everyone in the USA is not Christian, so that really makes no sense.
PPP
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> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
YES we need ALLAH back into the schools NOW..oh wait, you mean YOUR GOD?
Everyone in the USA is not Christian, so that really makes no sense.
PPP
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Redistricting Critic
()
Date: December 15, 2012 04:32PM
Bread of Life Wrote:
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> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
But which school district does God live in? Which pyramid does his residence belong to?
I'm all for allowing God to attend public schools, but he should be required to provide proof of residency, and not just attend whatever school he wants.
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> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
But which school district does God live in? Which pyramid does his residence belong to?
I'm all for allowing God to attend public schools, but he should be required to provide proof of residency, and not just attend whatever school he wants.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
()
Date: December 15, 2012 05:59PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> > Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade
> education.
> > I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve
> in
> > a playground in the daytime (see my user name
> and
> > you can guess..).
> >
> > So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> > regular posters here. So please be kind and
> > explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> > between what the good Rev Huckabee said and
> what
> > that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist
> Church
> > says? Honestly, I see no difference.
> >
> > Please help me to understand. I rely on you,
> the
> > users here with a high school diploma.
>
>
> Huckabee is saying that removing God has made
> places less Godly and thus, they become places of
> violence and decay.
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, how did we remove (gender neutral) from places? and can you name one place that was Godly (omnipotent and omniscient) that is no longer Godly?
> As I understand it, the WBC
> folks say God is punishing the US for becoming
> decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality.
Didn't God punish the school children at Sandy Hook elementary? Whether it be for homosexuality, or because we removed (gender neutral) God... That is one pissed off God. And thanks to Rev Phelps and Rev Huckabee for explaining why God is pissed off.
> Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment,
> but rather the natural extension of turning our
> backs on God. Totally different.
Again God is omniscient and omnipotent. How can we turn our backs on God? God is both in front and behind us. And if God is truly powerful, God really should not care if we worship God, unless God has an insecurity complex....
A neighbor almost hit a deer a couple weeks ago. She said God saved her from wrecking the car and hurting her children who were with her. Good for her. Good for God. So God loves my neighbor and hates the school kids in Newtown? Or is God can do very minor miracles and the big ones are out of God's God hands?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know I am just a hillbilly from outside of
> > Warrenton. I only have a seventh grade
> education.
> > I lost my virginity to my fist cousin at twelve
> in
> > a playground in the daytime (see my user name
> and
> > you can guess..).
> >
> > So I am not as smart and sophisticated as the
> > regular posters here. So please be kind and
> > explain to me one thing. What is the difference
> > between what the good Rev Huckabee said and
> what
> > that Phelps guy from the Westboro Baptist
> Church
> > says? Honestly, I see no difference.
> >
> > Please help me to understand. I rely on you,
> the
> > users here with a high school diploma.
>
>
> Huckabee is saying that removing God has made
> places less Godly and thus, they become places of
> violence and decay.
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, how did we remove (gender neutral) from places? and can you name one place that was Godly (omnipotent and omniscient) that is no longer Godly?
> As I understand it, the WBC
> folks say God is punishing the US for becoming
> decadent, especially in the area of homosexuality.
Didn't God punish the school children at Sandy Hook elementary? Whether it be for homosexuality, or because we removed (gender neutral) God... That is one pissed off God. And thanks to Rev Phelps and Rev Huckabee for explaining why God is pissed off.
> Huckabee isn't equating this to God's punishment,
> but rather the natural extension of turning our
> backs on God. Totally different.
Again God is omniscient and omnipotent. How can we turn our backs on God? God is both in front and behind us. And if God is truly powerful, God really should not care if we worship God, unless God has an insecurity complex....
A neighbor almost hit a deer a couple weeks ago. She said God saved her from wrecking the car and hurting her children who were with her. Good for her. Good for God. So God loves my neighbor and hates the school kids in Newtown? Or is God can do very minor miracles and the big ones are out of God's God hands?
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: December 15, 2012 06:23PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of
> god or the police to prevent you from killing a
> whole bunch little kids, you are one scary
> individual.
I wonder what religious people think it was like before Moses came down the hill with the stone tablets. Here's a question: since there were no Ten Commandments yet, why was it wrong for the Egyptians to enslave the Jews? Was it wrong to murder people? How on earth did anyone live their daily lives without some cult leader jackass finding magical tablets from god on a mountain? Do you really need Moses to tell you not to steal in a society that already has property owners and an economy?
Jesus had lots of "wisdom" too. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Oh, wow, I guess nobody ever thought of that before some crazy cult leader said it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you're the kind of person who needs the fear of
> god or the police to prevent you from killing a
> whole bunch little kids, you are one scary
> individual.
I wonder what religious people think it was like before Moses came down the hill with the stone tablets. Here's a question: since there were no Ten Commandments yet, why was it wrong for the Egyptians to enslave the Jews? Was it wrong to murder people? How on earth did anyone live their daily lives without some cult leader jackass finding magical tablets from god on a mountain? Do you really need Moses to tell you not to steal in a society that already has property owners and an economy?
Jesus had lots of "wisdom" too. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Oh, wow, I guess nobody ever thought of that before some crazy cult leader said it.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Bud Hoal...
()
Date: December 15, 2012 06:41PM
I say, fuck the man in the sky!!
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
()
Date: December 15, 2012 07:59PM
Bread of Life Wrote:
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> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
Perhaps God could help you with your sentence structuring/punctuation skills. Just sayin'
Were you praying in school and not paying attention to the English teacher?
-------------------------------------------------------
> 'Tis Time To put God back into public schools...
> We need it now more then EVER!!!! I am trying to
> get parents to start asking and requesting that
> GOD be out back into all PUBLIC SCHOOLS: Amen.
Perhaps God could help you with your sentence structuring/punctuation skills. Just sayin'
Were you praying in school and not paying attention to the English teacher?
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
FormerSeminarian
()
Date: December 15, 2012 08:41PM
How odd. Because of my job, I've been to schools in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands. They are every bit the equal to the U.S. in secularization if not even more so. Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the periodic smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps your god is anti-American, being from the middle east and all.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:07AM
Broken covenant Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> That is why we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes
Only 3 of the ten commandments really address moral behavior.
Don't lie
Don't steal
Don't kill
I guess you could say "don't commit adultery" is a 4th moralistic commandment if you want to condemn things like sex before marriage, divorce, infidelity, etc.
Another 5 commandments are purely an imposition of a religious cause:
No other Gods before me
No graven images
Don't take god's name in vain
Honor father and mother
Remember the Sabbath
Then there's the last one, "Don't covet thy neighbors ass/wife/ox/donkey/livestock", which is a weird "thought-crime" kind of law, one obviously written by bronze-age humans living in an agrarian society.
Those 3 moral absolutes up top weren't written by a god.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2012 12:08AM by TheMeeper.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> That is why we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes
Only 3 of the ten commandments really address moral behavior.
Don't lie
Don't steal
Don't kill
I guess you could say "don't commit adultery" is a 4th moralistic commandment if you want to condemn things like sex before marriage, divorce, infidelity, etc.
Another 5 commandments are purely an imposition of a religious cause:
No other Gods before me
No graven images
Don't take god's name in vain
Honor father and mother
Remember the Sabbath
Then there's the last one, "Don't covet thy neighbors ass/wife/ox/donkey/livestock", which is a weird "thought-crime" kind of law, one obviously written by bronze-age humans living in an agrarian society.
Those 3 moral absolutes up top weren't written by a god.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2012 12:08AM by TheMeeper.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Fails
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:21AM
FormerSeminarian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How odd. Because of my job, I've been to schools
> in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France, Belgium, and
> the Netherlands. They are every bit the equal to
> the U.S. in secularization if not even more so.
> Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the periodic
> smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps your
> god is anti-American, being from the middle east
> and all.
Fail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/finland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-past-attacks.html
http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-school-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
Lots more if you actually want to look versus going by what you'd like to be the case.
-------------------------------------------------------
> How odd. Because of my job, I've been to schools
> in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France, Belgium, and
> the Netherlands. They are every bit the equal to
> the U.S. in secularization if not even more so.
> Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the periodic
> smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps your
> god is anti-American, being from the middle east
> and all.
Fail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/finland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-past-attacks.html
http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-school-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
Lots more if you actually want to look versus going by what you'd like to be the case.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
postpoppunk
()
Date: December 16, 2012 02:06AM
I do not advocate that any Gods from any of the top LABELS of religion are real, or if any of the writings are an accurate portrait of human history --- also, I do not claim to know if they are complete fiction.
IMO - Religion serves many important purposes and what the LABEL of the religion is usually does not really matter.
In general, most religious texts cover the basics "Don't lie / Don't steal / Don't kill", as Meeper pointed out, along with other basic values that allow humans to coexist in a peaceful manner. So, it has positive qualities that can be useful in society --- organizing via marriage, allowing for logistics to be scaled down to something manageable by the powers that ruled in their times.
I agree that religion has served as a security-blanket' throughout history --- affording people who are suffering an alternative to giving up during their darkest times. Whether a higher-power' actually exists, in these situations, has always been a moot point to me, as I can see no reason to add to another humans' suffering.
If a person, or a people, are looking to a higher-power' in times of pain, then allow them the comfort they main gain from this action. If a person, or people, are DEPENDING on a higher-power' verse actually taking commonsense actions, then they deserve the failures that await their poor decisions.
In regards to Huckabee's opinions --- I disagree and pointed out earlier that forcing the LABEL of Christianity in the schools of our country is ridiculous. Our nation is made up of many various people who follow many different religions. The "Basics" I mentioned earlier could be taught, and cited, from a fair mixture of religious texts --- not only teaching good morals, but also bringing different cultures closer together at an early age through relatable ethics that are evident in the majority of the most followed religions.
The "Our fore-fathers were Christian" argument does not make it --- there is a vast amount of information and personal writings from these "Fore-fathers" that denounce religion and warn of the reality that a society following any one religion will self-destruct in time. They were incredible people that shaped our nation and very aware of the dangers of any religiously radical society.
Humans have for the most part substituted Gods and religion for our own personal ignorance. Roman and Greek mythology had Gods for almost all of the natural occurrences surrounding them --- Poseidon / Neptune = Oceans - Apollo controlling the movements of the Sun...even Gods for emotions and human conditions. Basically, if humans did not understand something they explained it (To themselves?) as a God. On a side note - I really think the whole system of Gods in relation to nature, our solar system and human conditions is incredibly interesting.
So, when reading some philosophy, forget the names, I ran across a more modern version of the same way the Romans and Greeks came to face their lack of knowledge --- it revolves around modern day Science and Religion. We now have knowledge of how and why the Sun moves across the sky and also know the reasons that drive the oceans movements...so, Apollo and Poseidon / Neptune have been proven not to exist. Continue to apply science to the previously unknown and Gods are taken off the books in a quick fashion.
If I remember correctly?, humans have 7 basic questions, which science has not provided factual answers to - Again, our ignorance is where Gods live..."We do not know." is unacceptable, so Gods fill the void. (I googled' it and can not find the the philosopher who presented the questions and related them to religion)
1. Causation - if / when the "Big-Bang" occurred, something BEFORE it caused that action --- and something before that and so on...
2. Movement / Inertia - An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an unbalanced force. An object in motion continues in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. So, what was the FIRST MOVEMENT? No matter the answer something else had to act upon it and so on....
3. Creation - it is a diverse subject, but can almost be summed up by the "Chicken and the Egg" question --- what came first? Apply that to the universe and we run into the same dilemma, no matter the answer, something had to create the creator and creation - rinse and repeat until your mind explodes.
4. Where does space end? Does space end? Simple, yet mind blowing at the same time. Even with expansion and contraction being an acceptable scientific law ---there always has to be SOMETHING MORE just outside whatever limits we are aware of...
...and 3 others...
So, my point is...fuck, I do not really remember, maybe people know right from wrong instinctually or introducing different religious texts and teachings equally among the largest LABELED religions in our schools is an option that would have positive results in all aspects, as long as the information is presented to the students in a fashion that allows them to make their own conclusions --- not as fact or fiction.
If you read the above, cool, maybe you can find something worthwhile out of that wall of words.
A Minor Threat
IMO - Religion serves many important purposes and what the LABEL of the religion is usually does not really matter.
In general, most religious texts cover the basics "Don't lie / Don't steal / Don't kill", as Meeper pointed out, along with other basic values that allow humans to coexist in a peaceful manner. So, it has positive qualities that can be useful in society --- organizing via marriage, allowing for logistics to be scaled down to something manageable by the powers that ruled in their times.
I agree that religion has served as a security-blanket' throughout history --- affording people who are suffering an alternative to giving up during their darkest times. Whether a higher-power' actually exists, in these situations, has always been a moot point to me, as I can see no reason to add to another humans' suffering.
If a person, or a people, are looking to a higher-power' in times of pain, then allow them the comfort they main gain from this action. If a person, or people, are DEPENDING on a higher-power' verse actually taking commonsense actions, then they deserve the failures that await their poor decisions.
In regards to Huckabee's opinions --- I disagree and pointed out earlier that forcing the LABEL of Christianity in the schools of our country is ridiculous. Our nation is made up of many various people who follow many different religions. The "Basics" I mentioned earlier could be taught, and cited, from a fair mixture of religious texts --- not only teaching good morals, but also bringing different cultures closer together at an early age through relatable ethics that are evident in the majority of the most followed religions.
The "Our fore-fathers were Christian" argument does not make it --- there is a vast amount of information and personal writings from these "Fore-fathers" that denounce religion and warn of the reality that a society following any one religion will self-destruct in time. They were incredible people that shaped our nation and very aware of the dangers of any religiously radical society.
Humans have for the most part substituted Gods and religion for our own personal ignorance. Roman and Greek mythology had Gods for almost all of the natural occurrences surrounding them --- Poseidon / Neptune = Oceans - Apollo controlling the movements of the Sun...even Gods for emotions and human conditions. Basically, if humans did not understand something they explained it (To themselves?) as a God. On a side note - I really think the whole system of Gods in relation to nature, our solar system and human conditions is incredibly interesting.
So, when reading some philosophy, forget the names, I ran across a more modern version of the same way the Romans and Greeks came to face their lack of knowledge --- it revolves around modern day Science and Religion. We now have knowledge of how and why the Sun moves across the sky and also know the reasons that drive the oceans movements...so, Apollo and Poseidon / Neptune have been proven not to exist. Continue to apply science to the previously unknown and Gods are taken off the books in a quick fashion.
If I remember correctly?, humans have 7 basic questions, which science has not provided factual answers to - Again, our ignorance is where Gods live..."We do not know." is unacceptable, so Gods fill the void. (I googled' it and can not find the the philosopher who presented the questions and related them to religion)
1. Causation - if / when the "Big-Bang" occurred, something BEFORE it caused that action --- and something before that and so on...
2. Movement / Inertia - An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an unbalanced force. An object in motion continues in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. So, what was the FIRST MOVEMENT? No matter the answer something else had to act upon it and so on....
3. Creation - it is a diverse subject, but can almost be summed up by the "Chicken and the Egg" question --- what came first? Apply that to the universe and we run into the same dilemma, no matter the answer, something had to create the creator and creation - rinse and repeat until your mind explodes.
4. Where does space end? Does space end? Simple, yet mind blowing at the same time. Even with expansion and contraction being an acceptable scientific law ---there always has to be SOMETHING MORE just outside whatever limits we are aware of...
...and 3 others...
So, my point is...fuck, I do not really remember, maybe people know right from wrong instinctually or introducing different religious texts and teachings equally among the largest LABELED religions in our schools is an option that would have positive results in all aspects, as long as the information is presented to the students in a fashion that allows them to make their own conclusions --- not as fact or fiction.
If you read the above, cool, maybe you can find something worthwhile out of that wall of words.
A Minor Threat
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
god in the church
()
Date: December 16, 2012 09:18AM
So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape form or fashion, about priests molesting children, what could/would have Huckabee said?
Could he have said it is because we don't let god in the church anymore?
Could he have said it is because we don't let god in the church anymore?
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: December 16, 2012 11:13AM
Adam was just too high strung.
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Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Broken covenant
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:14PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Broken covenant Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > That is why we have laws. That is why God gave
> us his
> > commandments. There are moral absolutes
>
> Only 3 of the ten commandments really address
> moral behavior.
>
> Don't lie
> Don't steal
> Don't kill
>
> I guess you could say "don't commit adultery" is a
> 4th moralistic commandment if you want to condemn
> things like sex before marriage, divorce,
> infidelity, etc.
>
>
> Another 5 commandments are purely an imposition of
> a religious cause:
>
> No other Gods before me
> No graven images
> Don't take god's name in vain
> Honor father and mother
> Remember the Sabbath
>
>
> Then there's the last one, "Don't covet thy
> neighbors ass/wife/ox/donkey/livestock", which is
> a weird "thought-crime" kind of law, one obviously
> written by bronze-age humans living in an agrarian
> society.
>
> Those 3 moral absolutes up top weren't written by
> a god.
You are too focused on only the Old Testament. Read the New Testament, where the commandments are things like:
Love one another as Jesus has loved us and as we love ourselves
Give to those less fortunate, because it is pleasing to God and the right thing to do
Do not judge others, for that is the purview of God
Feed the hungry
Cloth the naked
Shelter the homeless
Provide comfort to those in distress
Be merciful and forgiving
Shed sin and temptation from your life
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Live a life that demonstrates love, mercy and kindness
And lots and lots more.
Nowhere did Christ urge anyone to fight for Him, to mistreat others or to live anything but a pure and positive life and be an exmample for Him.
If you want to learn more, you should go to a good Bible based church for a few months and see what develops in your own heart and mind.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Broken covenant Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > That is why we have laws. That is why God gave
> us his
> > commandments. There are moral absolutes
>
> Only 3 of the ten commandments really address
> moral behavior.
>
> Don't lie
> Don't steal
> Don't kill
>
> I guess you could say "don't commit adultery" is a
> 4th moralistic commandment if you want to condemn
> things like sex before marriage, divorce,
> infidelity, etc.
>
>
> Another 5 commandments are purely an imposition of
> a religious cause:
>
> No other Gods before me
> No graven images
> Don't take god's name in vain
> Honor father and mother
> Remember the Sabbath
>
>
> Then there's the last one, "Don't covet thy
> neighbors ass/wife/ox/donkey/livestock", which is
> a weird "thought-crime" kind of law, one obviously
> written by bronze-age humans living in an agrarian
> society.
>
> Those 3 moral absolutes up top weren't written by
> a god.
You are too focused on only the Old Testament. Read the New Testament, where the commandments are things like:
Love one another as Jesus has loved us and as we love ourselves
Give to those less fortunate, because it is pleasing to God and the right thing to do
Do not judge others, for that is the purview of God
Feed the hungry
Cloth the naked
Shelter the homeless
Provide comfort to those in distress
Be merciful and forgiving
Shed sin and temptation from your life
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Live a life that demonstrates love, mercy and kindness
And lots and lots more.
Nowhere did Christ urge anyone to fight for Him, to mistreat others or to live anything but a pure and positive life and be an exmample for Him.
If you want to learn more, you should go to a good Bible based church for a few months and see what develops in your own heart and mind.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Broken covenant
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:19PM
god in the church Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape form
> or fashion, about priests molesting children, what
> could/would have Huckabee said?
>
> Could he have said it is because we don't let god
> in the church anymore?
A church is a building. God exists everywhere. Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins of a priest (and anyone who professes to be representing God to his fellow man) are especially displeasing to God. But all men sin and fall short of the glory of God, including priests, preachers, evangelists and popes. The essence of God lives in the hearts and minds of atheists. They just reject it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape form
> or fashion, about priests molesting children, what
> could/would have Huckabee said?
>
> Could he have said it is because we don't let god
> in the church anymore?
A church is a building. God exists everywhere. Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins of a priest (and anyone who professes to be representing God to his fellow man) are especially displeasing to God. But all men sin and fall short of the glory of God, including priests, preachers, evangelists and popes. The essence of God lives in the hearts and minds of atheists. They just reject it.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
FormerSeminarian
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:42PM
Fails Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FormerSeminarian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How odd. Because of my job, I've been to
> schools
> > in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France, Belgium,
> and
> > the Netherlands. They are every bit the equal
> to
> > the U.S. in secularization if not even more so.
>
> > Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the periodic
> > smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps
> your
> > god is anti-American, being from the middle
> east
> > and all.
>
> Fail
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shoo
> ting
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f
> inland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-
> past-attacks.html
>
> http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-schoo
> l-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
>
> Lots more if you actually want to look versus
> going by what you'd like to be the case.
You missed the point. No informed person would claim that other societies are free from all gun violence, in schools or otherwise. But the U.S. is the only place in the developed world which the opining of religious fundamentalists is granted any credibility in civil affairs. Faith can play a role in helping to address the social forces that drive these tragedies, but in a society ostensibly dedicated to the separation of church and state, it is a matter to be taken up by the community through its elected officials. Anything else is divisive and a distraction.
I, for one, doubt Adam Lanza would have simply put down his guns and walked away if he had come across a placard of the 10 commandants in the school lobby. It is obscene to torment these poor people by suggesting that god did not heed the cries of their dying children because "Winter Break" is now used instead of "Christmas Holiday".
A little clearer now?
-------------------------------------------------------
> FormerSeminarian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How odd. Because of my job, I've been to
> schools
> > in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France, Belgium,
> and
> > the Netherlands. They are every bit the equal
> to
> > the U.S. in secularization if not even more so.
>
> > Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the periodic
> > smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps
> your
> > god is anti-American, being from the middle
> east
> > and all.
>
> Fail
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shoo
> ting
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f
> inland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-
> past-attacks.html
>
> http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-schoo
> l-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
>
> Lots more if you actually want to look versus
> going by what you'd like to be the case.
You missed the point. No informed person would claim that other societies are free from all gun violence, in schools or otherwise. But the U.S. is the only place in the developed world which the opining of religious fundamentalists is granted any credibility in civil affairs. Faith can play a role in helping to address the social forces that drive these tragedies, but in a society ostensibly dedicated to the separation of church and state, it is a matter to be taken up by the community through its elected officials. Anything else is divisive and a distraction.
I, for one, doubt Adam Lanza would have simply put down his guns and walked away if he had come across a placard of the 10 commandants in the school lobby. It is obscene to torment these poor people by suggesting that god did not heed the cries of their dying children because "Winter Break" is now used instead of "Christmas Holiday".
A little clearer now?
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
let me in
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:54PM
im not sure wether having god in school's would have effected this event. however, god should be a part of our school's. it is stupid that the non beliefs of a few, mainly people who are not americans or their parents are not born here, complain about god being in public schools. i say if they dont like it, dont say the pledge of allegance. and if you cant deal with that, get the fuck out of my country.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Fails
()
Date: December 16, 2012 03:32PM
FormerSeminarian Wrote:
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> Fails Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FormerSeminarian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How odd. Because of my job, I've been to
> > schools
> > > in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France,
> Belgium,
> > and
> > > the Netherlands. They are every bit the
> equal
> > to
> > > the U.S. in secularization if not even more
> so.
> >
> > > Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the
> periodic
> > > smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps
> > your
> > > god is anti-American, being from the middle
> > east
> > > and all.
> >
> > Fail
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shoo
>
> > ting
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f
>
> >
> inland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-
>
> > past-attacks.html
> >
> >
> http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-schoo
>
> > l-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
> >
> > Lots more if you actually want to look versus
> > going by what you'd like to be the case.
>
> You missed the point. No informed person would
> claim that other societies are free from all gun
> violence, in schools or otherwise. But the U.S.
> is the only place in the developed world which the
> opining of religious fundamentalists is granted
> any credibility in civil affairs. Faith can play
> a role in helping to address the social forces
> that drive these tragedies, but in a society
> ostensibly dedicated to the separation of church
> and state, it is a matter to be taken up by the
> community through its elected officials. Anything
> else is divisive and a distraction.
>
> I, for one, doubt Adam Lanza would have simply put
> down his guns and walked away if he had come
> across a placard of the 10 commandants in the
> school lobby. It is obscene to torment these poor
> people by suggesting that god did not heed the
> cries of their dying children because "Winter
> Break" is now used instead of "Christmas
> Holiday".
>
>
> A little clearer now?
No, it's not more clear. It directly and completely disproves your earlier snide attempt to paint things to your own views versus reality. Now, as typical, you simply attempt to change what you'd said. Which again very easily can be shown to be false given the prominence of various churches/religions in various other countries. In fact, more so in some.
I'm not a particularly religious person. Actually, not at all. However, I certainly can see a diminished moral base in this country (and I'd include myself in that assessment). Whether you want to assign it to secularism or otherwise, it exists. Your example re 10 Commandments is simplistic and trivializes the point. Nobody has or would suggest such. The issue is how someone ends up there to begin with. When you actively and indirectly act to diminish the values within a society, you end up with a diminish society.
Guns didn't cause some kid to dress up in black like a mall ninja and go shoot a bunch of kids. Guns don't teach you that. "Gun culture" doesn't teach you that, in fact, quite the opposite. The church certainly doesn't teach you that. Rather, it's fairly easy to identify where that kinda stuff comes from.
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> Fails Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FormerSeminarian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How odd. Because of my job, I've been to
> > schools
> > > in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France,
> Belgium,
> > and
> > > the Netherlands. They are every bit the
> equal
> > to
> > > the U.S. in secularization if not even more
> so.
> >
> > > Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the
> periodic
> > > smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps
> > your
> > > god is anti-American, being from the middle
> > east
> > > and all.
> >
> > Fail
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shoo
>
> > ting
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f
>
> >
> inland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-
>
> > past-attacks.html
> >
> >
> http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-schoo
>
> > l-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
> >
> > Lots more if you actually want to look versus
> > going by what you'd like to be the case.
>
> You missed the point. No informed person would
> claim that other societies are free from all gun
> violence, in schools or otherwise. But the U.S.
> is the only place in the developed world which the
> opining of religious fundamentalists is granted
> any credibility in civil affairs. Faith can play
> a role in helping to address the social forces
> that drive these tragedies, but in a society
> ostensibly dedicated to the separation of church
> and state, it is a matter to be taken up by the
> community through its elected officials. Anything
> else is divisive and a distraction.
>
> I, for one, doubt Adam Lanza would have simply put
> down his guns and walked away if he had come
> across a placard of the 10 commandants in the
> school lobby. It is obscene to torment these poor
> people by suggesting that god did not heed the
> cries of their dying children because "Winter
> Break" is now used instead of "Christmas
> Holiday".
>
>
> A little clearer now?
No, it's not more clear. It directly and completely disproves your earlier snide attempt to paint things to your own views versus reality. Now, as typical, you simply attempt to change what you'd said. Which again very easily can be shown to be false given the prominence of various churches/religions in various other countries. In fact, more so in some.
I'm not a particularly religious person. Actually, not at all. However, I certainly can see a diminished moral base in this country (and I'd include myself in that assessment). Whether you want to assign it to secularism or otherwise, it exists. Your example re 10 Commandments is simplistic and trivializes the point. Nobody has or would suggest such. The issue is how someone ends up there to begin with. When you actively and indirectly act to diminish the values within a society, you end up with a diminish society.
Guns didn't cause some kid to dress up in black like a mall ninja and go shoot a bunch of kids. Guns don't teach you that. "Gun culture" doesn't teach you that, in fact, quite the opposite. The church certainly doesn't teach you that. Rather, it's fairly easy to identify where that kinda stuff comes from.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
lightshine
()
Date: December 16, 2012 06:19PM
tomahawk Wrote:
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> I wonder what religious people think it was like
> before Moses came down the hill with the stone
> tablets. Here's a question: since there were no
> Ten Commandments yet, why was it wrong for the
> Egyptians to enslave the Jews? Was it wrong to
> murder people? How on earth did anyone live their
> daily lives without some cult leader jackass
> finding magical tablets from god on a mountain? Do
> you really need Moses to tell you not to steal in
> a society that already has property owners and an
> economy?
This does not mean we should whitewash unpopular doctrines like the belief that we are all sinners, but that we must re-emphasize the free forgiveness available to all who believe in Jesus Christ.
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> I wonder what religious people think it was like
> before Moses came down the hill with the stone
> tablets. Here's a question: since there were no
> Ten Commandments yet, why was it wrong for the
> Egyptians to enslave the Jews? Was it wrong to
> murder people? How on earth did anyone live their
> daily lives without some cult leader jackass
> finding magical tablets from god on a mountain? Do
> you really need Moses to tell you not to steal in
> a society that already has property owners and an
> economy?
This does not mean we should whitewash unpopular doctrines like the belief that we are all sinners, but that we must re-emphasize the free forgiveness available to all who believe in Jesus Christ.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2012 09:24PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
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>
> If you want to learn more, you should go to a good
> Bible based church for a few months and see what
> develops in your own heart and mind.
Ha, I grew up as a church-goer (mainline protestantism, not evangelical). Sure, they do and say alot of nice things, but I have no plans on returning to christianity.
I'm open-minded about it too. If christian clergymen EVER discover rational, scientific evidence that a god exists, I'd totally believe in it. But they probably won't, because most churches are simply dictating the same stories from ancient scrolls, over and over again.
But I' would join their cause if they ever proved what they are talking about.
Until then, I'm not attending a bible church. For the same reasons I'm not going to a séance or a Scientology audit. I have standards, and blind faith is not one of them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2012 09:25PM by TheMeeper.
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>
> If you want to learn more, you should go to a good
> Bible based church for a few months and see what
> develops in your own heart and mind.
Ha, I grew up as a church-goer (mainline protestantism, not evangelical). Sure, they do and say alot of nice things, but I have no plans on returning to christianity.
I'm open-minded about it too. If christian clergymen EVER discover rational, scientific evidence that a god exists, I'd totally believe in it. But they probably won't, because most churches are simply dictating the same stories from ancient scrolls, over and over again.
But I' would join their cause if they ever proved what they are talking about.
Until then, I'm not attending a bible church. For the same reasons I'm not going to a séance or a Scientology audit. I have standards, and blind faith is not one of them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2012 09:25PM by TheMeeper.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
don't argue
()
Date: December 16, 2012 09:29PM
Broken covenant Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SoylentGreen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Such comforting words. You should forward
> this
> > > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > > funerals with less than average sized graves.
> >
> >
> > My post has nothing to do with comforting
> anyone.
> > I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> > used by religious conservatives. The
> ridiculous
> > notion that people should behave humanely
> because
> > they fear god.
>
>
> Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the
> law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether
> the laws are those of God or of society. Yet
> mankind demonstrates daily that there are many
> among us who will do evil to their fellow man.
> The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional
> harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why
> we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's
> have not changed or been shown to be
> counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind
> for millennia. The same can not be said of the
> laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The
> path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love.
> You start off with a false premise. Your logic is
> flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of
> your arguement.
You spelled argument wrong, therefore, your argument is wrong.
-------------------------------------------------------
> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SoylentGreen Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Such comforting words. You should forward
> this
> > > post to whoever will be presiding over twenty
> > > funerals with less than average sized graves.
> >
> >
> > My post has nothing to do with comforting
> anyone.
> > I am pointing out the immoral, backwoods logic
> > used by religious conservatives. The
> ridiculous
> > notion that people should behave humanely
> because
> > they fear god.
>
>
> Yes, that notion is ridiculous. Fearing the
> law-giver is no reason to act correctly whether
> the laws are those of God or of society. Yet
> mankind demonstrates daily that there are many
> among us who will do evil to their fellow man.
> The evil they do can be physical harm, emotional
> harm, financial harm or moral harm. That is why
> we have laws. That is why God gave us his
> commandments. There are moral absolutes and God's
> have not changed or been shown to be
> counterproductive to the flouishment of mankind
> for millennia. The same can not be said of the
> laws of man these often cause hurt and harm. The
> path to God is not fear, but acceptance and love.
> You start off with a false premise. Your logic is
> flawed and thus, your conclusions and validity of
> your arguement.
You spelled argument wrong, therefore, your argument is wrong.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
you, my friend
()
Date: December 16, 2012 09:32PM
let me in Wrote:
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> im not sure wether having god in school's would
> have effected this event. however, god should be a
> part of our school's. it is stupid that the non
> beliefs of a few, mainly people who are not
> americans or their parents are not born here,
> complain about god being in public schools. i say
> if they dont like it, dont say the pledge of
> allegance. and if you cant deal with that, get the
> fuck out of my country.
Get the f*** out of my country until you spell and learn to use apostrophes correctly.
I won't make you learn proper grammar, though. I'll cut you a break.
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> im not sure wether having god in school's would
> have effected this event. however, god should be a
> part of our school's. it is stupid that the non
> beliefs of a few, mainly people who are not
> americans or their parents are not born here,
> complain about god being in public schools. i say
> if they dont like it, dont say the pledge of
> allegance. and if you cant deal with that, get the
> fuck out of my country.
Get the f*** out of my country until you spell and learn to use apostrophes correctly.
I won't make you learn proper grammar, though. I'll cut you a break.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Meade's Hillbilly Cousin
()
Date: December 17, 2012 06:58AM
Broken covenant Wrote:
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> god in the church Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape
> form
> > or fashion, about priests molesting children,
> what
> > could/would have Huckabee said?
> >
> > Could he have said it is because we don't let
> god
> > in the church anymore?
>
>
> A church is a building. God exists everywhere.
> Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't
> there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins
> of a priest (and anyone who professes to be
> representing God to his fellow man) are especially
> displeasing to God.
Displeasure and pleasure are human feelings. God in not human. Therefore your argument is completely without merit.
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> god in the church Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape
> form
> > or fashion, about priests molesting children,
> what
> > could/would have Huckabee said?
> >
> > Could he have said it is because we don't let
> god
> > in the church anymore?
>
>
> A church is a building. God exists everywhere.
> Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't
> there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins
> of a priest (and anyone who professes to be
> representing God to his fellow man) are especially
> displeasing to God.
Displeasure and pleasure are human feelings. God in not human. Therefore your argument is completely without merit.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
Just Sad
()
Date: December 17, 2012 07:10AM
Wow, I can't believe it's come to this. People honestly think God let these 20 kids die because they didn't pray to him in the morning. If anyone's going to hell, it's gonna those kinds of people.
Re: Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God"
Posted by:
obf
()
Date: December 17, 2012 07:52AM
Broken covenant Wrote:
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> god in the church Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape
> form
> > or fashion, about priests molesting children,
> what
> > could/would have Huckabee said?
> >
> > Could he have said it is because we don't let
> god
> > in the church anymore?
>
>
> A church is a building. God exists everywhere.
> Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't
> there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins
> of a priest (and anyone who professes to be
> representing God to his fellow man) are especially
> displeasing to God. But all men sin and fall
> short of the glory of God, including priests,
> preachers, evangelists and popes. The essence of
> God lives in the hearts and minds of atheists.
> They just reject it.
So, what are you saying. Are you saying Huckabee is wrong (or a liar), because god is in fact everywhere?
Or, are you saying that he is right, that god was not there, and therefore, that was the root cause of the problem?
And so, if it is the latter, how could it be possible that priests commit crimes, because certainly god is in the church, right? If he's not in the church, are all those people there phonies, and all those rituals, etc., just lies?
Just what are you getting at? Are you calling Huckabee a liar, of the church (its people and institutions) a liar?
I don't know if I want to stand around watching you call all these people liars.
Stand up and say something. Just don't accuse people of being liars.
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> god in the church Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, if Cavuto had asked this ?, in any shape
> form
> > or fashion, about priests molesting children,
> what
> > could/would have Huckabee said?
> >
> > Could he have said it is because we don't let
> god
> > in the church anymore?
>
>
> A church is a building. God exists everywhere.
> Turning our backs on God doesn't mean He isn't
> there, just that we have rejected Him. The sins
> of a priest (and anyone who professes to be
> representing God to his fellow man) are especially
> displeasing to God. But all men sin and fall
> short of the glory of God, including priests,
> preachers, evangelists and popes. The essence of
> God lives in the hearts and minds of atheists.
> They just reject it.
So, what are you saying. Are you saying Huckabee is wrong (or a liar), because god is in fact everywhere?
Or, are you saying that he is right, that god was not there, and therefore, that was the root cause of the problem?
And so, if it is the latter, how could it be possible that priests commit crimes, because certainly god is in the church, right? If he's not in the church, are all those people there phonies, and all those rituals, etc., just lies?
Just what are you getting at? Are you calling Huckabee a liar, of the church (its people and institutions) a liar?
I don't know if I want to stand around watching you call all these people liars.
Stand up and say something. Just don't accuse people of being liars.