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> > FormerSeminarian Wrote:
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> > > How odd. Because of my job, I've been to
> > schools
> > > in Canada, the U.K., Germany, France,
> Belgium,
> > and
> > > the Netherlands. They are every bit the
> equal
> > to
> > > the U.S. in secularization if not even more
> so.
> >
> > > Yet somehow, they manage to avoid the
> periodic
> > > smiting your god gives our schools. Perhaps
> > your
> > > god is anti-American, being from the middle
> > east
> > > and all.
> >
> > Fail
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> >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shoo
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> > ting
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
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> >
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f
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> inland/4972587/German-school-shooting-Timeline-of-
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> > past-attacks.html
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> >
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http://www.france24.com/en/20121214-timeline-schoo
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> > l-shootings-worldwide-newtown-connecticut
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> > Lots more if you actually want to look versus
> > going by what you'd like to be the case.
>
> You missed the point. No informed person would
> claim that other societies are free from all gun
> violence, in schools or otherwise. But the U.S.
> is the only place in the developed world which the
> opining of religious fundamentalists is granted
> any credibility in civil affairs. Faith can play
> a role in helping to address the social forces
> that drive these tragedies, but in a society
> ostensibly dedicated to the separation of church
> and state, it is a matter to be taken up by the
> community through its elected officials. Anything
> else is divisive and a distraction.
>
> I, for one, doubt Adam Lanza would have simply put
> down his guns and walked away if he had come
> across a placard of the 10 commandants in the
> school lobby. It is obscene to torment these poor
> people by suggesting that god did not heed the
> cries of their dying children because "Winter
> Break" is now used instead of "Christmas
> Holiday".
>
>
> A little clearer now?
No, it's not more clear. It directly and completely disproves your earlier snide attempt to paint things to your own views versus reality. Now, as typical, you simply attempt to change what you'd said. Which again very easily can be shown to be false given the prominence of various churches/religions in various other countries. In fact, more so in some.
I'm not a particularly religious person. Actually, not at all. However, I certainly can see a diminished moral base in this country (and I'd include myself in that assessment). Whether you want to assign it to secularism or otherwise, it exists. Your example re 10 Commandments is simplistic and trivializes the point. Nobody has or would suggest such. The issue is how someone ends up there to begin with. When you actively and indirectly act to diminish the values within a society, you end up with a diminish society.
Guns didn't cause some kid to dress up in black like a mall ninja and go shoot a bunch of kids. Guns don't teach you that. "Gun culture" doesn't teach you that, in fact, quite the opposite. The church certainly doesn't teach you that. Rather, it's fairly easy to identify where that kinda stuff comes from.