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the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 truther
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Date: December 12, 2012 07:09PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
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Date: December 12, 2012 07:54PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
496
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Date: December 12, 2012 07:59PM
You need to:
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Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
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Date: December 12, 2012 08:00PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
_Eyedea_
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Date: December 12, 2012 08:09PM
say any of these conspiracy theories are true, like any of them. James Holmes brainwash and all the rest, what are you gunna do about it? stop them? Cuz i mean, you honestly offend more people then you sway with the 9/11 arguements
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 Toother
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Date: December 12, 2012 08:30PM
Take it from someone who believed in that stuff for a little while, directly after 9/11.
There is no doubt that the Bush Administration knew we were going to be attacked, and possibly even knew which day it would happen (lots of circumstantial evidence to support that). There is no doubt that whether they knew about it ahead of time or not, they knew exactly what they were going to use it for. Anyone with a brain can agree that they knew there was an attack coming, and that they used it to their advantage.
However, whether there was a grand conspiracy behind it is a meaningless pursuit that can never be proven, nor would it change anything if it could be proven.
Most people know that there is more to JFK's assassination than just some crazy communist sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got shot by some random bar owner right in front of cops. But nobody really cares. It was most likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever found out all the details and could prove everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
Give it up.
There is no doubt that the Bush Administration knew we were going to be attacked, and possibly even knew which day it would happen (lots of circumstantial evidence to support that). There is no doubt that whether they knew about it ahead of time or not, they knew exactly what they were going to use it for. Anyone with a brain can agree that they knew there was an attack coming, and that they used it to their advantage.
However, whether there was a grand conspiracy behind it is a meaningless pursuit that can never be proven, nor would it change anything if it could be proven.
Most people know that there is more to JFK's assassination than just some crazy communist sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got shot by some random bar owner right in front of cops. But nobody really cares. It was most likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever found out all the details and could prove everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
Give it up.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Fed up with Big Brother
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Date: December 12, 2012 08:41PM
9/11 Toother Wrote:
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> Take it from someone who believed in that stuff
> for a little while, directly after 9/11.
>
> There is no doubt that the Bush Administration
> knew we were going to be attacked, and possibly
> even knew which day it would happen (lots of
> circumstantial evidence to support that). There
> is no doubt that whether they knew about it ahead
> of time or not, they knew exactly what they were
> going to use it for. Anyone with a brain can
> agree that they knew there was an attack coming,
> and that they used it to their advantage.
>
> However, whether there was a grand conspiracy
> behind it is a meaningless pursuit that can never
> be proven, nor would it change anything if it
> could be proven.
>
> Most people know that there is more to JFK's
> assassination than just some crazy communist
> sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got
> shot by some random bar owner right in front of
> cops. But nobody really cares. It was most
> likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in
> order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But
> nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever
> found out all the details and could prove
> everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
> Give it up.
Do you think you will start to care when the feds show up at your door, search your house, take your guns and throw you in jail without any probable cause or a warrant and refuse you access to a lawyer or due process??
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> Take it from someone who believed in that stuff
> for a little while, directly after 9/11.
>
> There is no doubt that the Bush Administration
> knew we were going to be attacked, and possibly
> even knew which day it would happen (lots of
> circumstantial evidence to support that). There
> is no doubt that whether they knew about it ahead
> of time or not, they knew exactly what they were
> going to use it for. Anyone with a brain can
> agree that they knew there was an attack coming,
> and that they used it to their advantage.
>
> However, whether there was a grand conspiracy
> behind it is a meaningless pursuit that can never
> be proven, nor would it change anything if it
> could be proven.
>
> Most people know that there is more to JFK's
> assassination than just some crazy communist
> sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got
> shot by some random bar owner right in front of
> cops. But nobody really cares. It was most
> likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in
> order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But
> nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever
> found out all the details and could prove
> everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
> Give it up.
Do you think you will start to care when the feds show up at your door, search your house, take your guns and throw you in jail without any probable cause or a warrant and refuse you access to a lawyer or due process??
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Young Curmudgeon
()
Date: December 12, 2012 08:45PM
9/11 Toother Wrote:
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> Most people know that there is more to JFK's
> assassination than just some crazy communist
> sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got
> shot by some random bar owner right in front of
> cops. But nobody really cares. It was most
> likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in
> order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But
> nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever
> found out all the details and could prove
> everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
> Give it up.
Not bloodly likely. The Warren Commission was correct; Oswald acted alone. Yes, he had Communist Party sympathies. It wasn't a conspiracy.
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> Most people know that there is more to JFK's
> assassination than just some crazy communist
> sympathizing guy with a rifle in a window who got
> shot by some random bar owner right in front of
> cops. But nobody really cares. It was most
> likely a form of coup that put Johnson in power in
> order to send ground troops into Vietnam. But
> nobody cares. Nothing would change if we ever
> found out all the details and could prove
> everything beyond any reasonable doubt.
>
> Give it up.
Not bloodly likely. The Warren Commission was correct; Oswald acted alone. Yes, he had Communist Party sympathies. It wasn't a conspiracy.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the republic
()
Date: December 12, 2012 09:01PM
_Eyedea_ Wrote:
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> say any of these conspiracy theories are true,
> like any of them. James Holmes brainwash and all
> the rest, what are you gunna do about it? stop
> them? Cuz i mean, you honestly offend more people
> then you sway with the 9/11 arguements
These "theories" are true and Im doing the only thing about it that I can right now. If more people did the same thing then yes, it could be possible to "stop them". I refuse to put my head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong and neither should you or anyone else! Although its not my intention to do so, do you really think I care if I offend anyone?? Our country and our freedom is at stake and if you value your freedom, you should open your mind and do the same thing.
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> say any of these conspiracy theories are true,
> like any of them. James Holmes brainwash and all
> the rest, what are you gunna do about it? stop
> them? Cuz i mean, you honestly offend more people
> then you sway with the 9/11 arguements
These "theories" are true and Im doing the only thing about it that I can right now. If more people did the same thing then yes, it could be possible to "stop them". I refuse to put my head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong and neither should you or anyone else! Although its not my intention to do so, do you really think I care if I offend anyone?? Our country and our freedom is at stake and if you value your freedom, you should open your mind and do the same thing.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: December 13, 2012 07:30AM
This Restore the Republic guy is two brain cells away from being the same kind of rambling, incoherent nut case that posts over in the Lamb Center thread.
Undoubtably, Restore the Republic listens to Rush Limbo with his pants down.
Undoubtably, Restore the Republic listens to Rush Limbo with his pants down.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Schmoscar Fantana
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Date: December 13, 2012 07:37AM
FACE!!!!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Witnesss
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Date: December 13, 2012 09:12AM
I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC on 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with my own eyes. So all of these theories that it was a missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight - there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we all saw it, yet those who want to believe conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the fact that people witnessed the plane.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: December 13, 2012 10:52AM
Conspiricy theories are just what the delusional ordered.
They get to pretend they know something you don't.
They say it with such conviction that sometimes you're almost tempted to believe.
But, thats not conviction, it's mental illness.
When their personal relationship with Jesus loses its juice , or their God sightings wear thin, they can always rely on the conspiricy of the day to get their attention fix.
They get to pretend they know something you don't.
They say it with such conviction that sometimes you're almost tempted to believe.
But, thats not conviction, it's mental illness.
When their personal relationship with Jesus loses its juice , or their God sightings wear thin, they can always rely on the conspiricy of the day to get their attention fix.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Phantom
()
Date: December 13, 2012 02:10PM
I can't believe that people still buy into the "Missile hit the Pentagon" theory in the DC area, where everyone knows how bad the traffic in the area (including 110) gets in the mornings.
Here you go, a passenger list of innocent passengers on Flight 77:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm
My dad worked with Asia Cottom's aunt at the time. I know that it's not direct evidence, but it's a reminder that real people lost real relatives on that flight. I mean, how do you explain the loss of Barbara Olson, conservative commentator who was on her way to film an episode of Politically Incorrect?
A few reasons why I find the controlled demolition narrative unconvincing:
* Steel does not have to become liquid to be structurally compromised. It doesn't melt like an ice cube, it melts more like chocolate. If you've ever watched a blacksmith work (and I know, many blacksmiths at rennfests work with iron and not steel, but steel is mostly iron and they behave in the same way at different temperatures), but they only heat the metal until it's weak enough to be reshaped by pressure, not until it's liquid.
It doesn't prove that the towers weren't demolished with explosives, but it illustrates that it's not impossible for heated steel holding up thousands of tons of material to be weakened by fire to the point of collapse and that the "melting point of steel" is the wrong metric to examine.
* They often cite that the collapse of the WTC looks like a controlled demolition, but what uncontrolled demolitions do you have to compare it to? What did you expect, it would tip over like a tree? I went back and watched video of the WTC collapse and then of controlled demolitions. In all of the controlled demolitions I watched the buildings collapsed like a row dominoes, sequentially collapsing, not like a glass of water being dropped, so they don't fall exactly like controlled demolition buildings. Ultimately though, the WTC buildings fall like buildings.
* Where are the people who rigged the building to explode? Where are the witnesses who saw one of the busiest buildings in NYC get rigged up? It takes expertise and time to rig a building to explode. That they can't be found seems like a much bigger coincidence than three amateur pilots flying plains into buildings (that they practiced doing).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, not conjecture and guilt by association claims. The only examination of physical evidence I have seen of a controlled demolition is a study that found thermite residue in dust from the WTC. Thermite is used in the destruction of steel buildings, but it's also used in their construction. As far as I know, it has not been replicated, nor the materials verified as authentic. Other than that I have seen no physical evidence, it has all been circumstantial evidence coupled with arguments that the official story doesn't match non-experts expectations.
Look, I think George W. Bush was a terrible president on so many levels and I am greatly unhappy with Barack Obama. I am sure that the government story is not complete, and probably erred on the side of making the powers in charge look as competent as it could. I recognize that the government does shitty things all the time and frequently lies, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe in some nefarious, simultaneously competent-and-incompetent shadow conspiracy to justify my disdain.
Here you go, a passenger list of innocent passengers on Flight 77:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm
My dad worked with Asia Cottom's aunt at the time. I know that it's not direct evidence, but it's a reminder that real people lost real relatives on that flight. I mean, how do you explain the loss of Barbara Olson, conservative commentator who was on her way to film an episode of Politically Incorrect?
A few reasons why I find the controlled demolition narrative unconvincing:
* Steel does not have to become liquid to be structurally compromised. It doesn't melt like an ice cube, it melts more like chocolate. If you've ever watched a blacksmith work (and I know, many blacksmiths at rennfests work with iron and not steel, but steel is mostly iron and they behave in the same way at different temperatures), but they only heat the metal until it's weak enough to be reshaped by pressure, not until it's liquid.
It doesn't prove that the towers weren't demolished with explosives, but it illustrates that it's not impossible for heated steel holding up thousands of tons of material to be weakened by fire to the point of collapse and that the "melting point of steel" is the wrong metric to examine.
* They often cite that the collapse of the WTC looks like a controlled demolition, but what uncontrolled demolitions do you have to compare it to? What did you expect, it would tip over like a tree? I went back and watched video of the WTC collapse and then of controlled demolitions. In all of the controlled demolitions I watched the buildings collapsed like a row dominoes, sequentially collapsing, not like a glass of water being dropped, so they don't fall exactly like controlled demolition buildings. Ultimately though, the WTC buildings fall like buildings.
* Where are the people who rigged the building to explode? Where are the witnesses who saw one of the busiest buildings in NYC get rigged up? It takes expertise and time to rig a building to explode. That they can't be found seems like a much bigger coincidence than three amateur pilots flying plains into buildings (that they practiced doing).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, not conjecture and guilt by association claims. The only examination of physical evidence I have seen of a controlled demolition is a study that found thermite residue in dust from the WTC. Thermite is used in the destruction of steel buildings, but it's also used in their construction. As far as I know, it has not been replicated, nor the materials verified as authentic. Other than that I have seen no physical evidence, it has all been circumstantial evidence coupled with arguments that the official story doesn't match non-experts expectations.
Look, I think George W. Bush was a terrible president on so many levels and I am greatly unhappy with Barack Obama. I am sure that the government story is not complete, and probably erred on the side of making the powers in charge look as competent as it could. I recognize that the government does shitty things all the time and frequently lies, but that doesn't mean that I have to believe in some nefarious, simultaneously competent-and-incompetent shadow conspiracy to justify my disdain.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Hay Zeus
()
Date: December 13, 2012 03:31PM
BEH Wrote:
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> Conspiricy theories are just what the delusional
> ordered.
>
> They get to pretend they know something you don't.
>
>
> They say it with such conviction that sometimes
> you're almost tempted to believe.
> But, thats not conviction, it's mental illness.
>
> When their personal relationship with Jesus loses
> its juice , or their God sightings wear thin, they
> can always rely on the conspiricy of the day to
> get their attention fix.
Also, if you ever attempt to ask a question about a gaping hole in their theory it just leads to a whole other new conspiracy theory. They end up being one big web of elaborate lies after another that some how a ordinary person is to stupid or brain washed to understand. Shit cracks me up.
A buddy was trying to explain to me the committee of 300, except the committee isn't comprised of just 300 individuals its mixture of some individuals and other sub-committee and thos sub committese are comprised of more committees and people and so on.
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> Conspiricy theories are just what the delusional
> ordered.
>
> They get to pretend they know something you don't.
>
>
> They say it with such conviction that sometimes
> you're almost tempted to believe.
> But, thats not conviction, it's mental illness.
>
> When their personal relationship with Jesus loses
> its juice , or their God sightings wear thin, they
> can always rely on the conspiricy of the day to
> get their attention fix.
Also, if you ever attempt to ask a question about a gaping hole in their theory it just leads to a whole other new conspiracy theory. They end up being one big web of elaborate lies after another that some how a ordinary person is to stupid or brain washed to understand. Shit cracks me up.
A buddy was trying to explain to me the committee of 300, except the committee isn't comprised of just 300 individuals its mixture of some individuals and other sub-committee and thos sub committese are comprised of more committees and people and so on.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
I rest my case.
()
Date: December 13, 2012 03:52PM
The entire population of the world is a conspiracy. Everyone is involved.
I have been hiding since......
I have been hiding since......
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Not a dumb ass like all of you
()
Date: December 13, 2012 04:54PM
Wow!! If there rest of the country is as stupid as most of the fucking idiots on here, its in ALOT of trouble!!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Not as much of a dumbass
()
Date: December 13, 2012 05:12PM
Not a dumb ass like all of you Wrote:
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> Wow!! If there rest of the country is as stupid as
> most of the fucking idiots on here, its in ALOT of
> trouble!!
Not a dumb ass? Not very good at writing.
Wow!! If the rest of the country is as stupid as most of the fucking idiots on here, it's in A LOT of trouble!!
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> Wow!! If there rest of the country is as stupid as
> most of the fucking idiots on here, its in ALOT of
> trouble!!
Not a dumb ass? Not very good at writing.
Wow!! If the rest of the country is as stupid as most of the fucking idiots on here, it's in A LOT of trouble!!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 13, 2012 06:52PM
Witnesss Wrote:
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> I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC on
> 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with my
> own eyes. So all of these theories that it was a
> missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight -
> there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> fact that people witnessed the plane.
I never said it was a missle that hit the pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see for yourself.
Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who reported hearing multiple explosions right before each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is married to a firefighter who was there that day AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever have the privilege to meet one of the brave individuals that were there and lived through that hell, ask them what they think about what happened.
So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have an agenda and they control public opinion by manipulating the media.
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> I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC on
> 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with my
> own eyes. So all of these theories that it was a
> missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight -
> there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> fact that people witnessed the plane.
I never said it was a missle that hit the pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see for yourself.
Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who reported hearing multiple explosions right before each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is married to a firefighter who was there that day AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever have the privilege to meet one of the brave individuals that were there and lived through that hell, ask them what they think about what happened.
So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have an agenda and they control public opinion by manipulating the media.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 13, 2012 08:18PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: December 13, 2012 08:49PM
you can't handle the truth.
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Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
To smart to be a truther
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Date: December 13, 2012 09:51PM
Restore the Republic Wrote:
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> Witnesss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC
> on
> > 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with
> my
> > own eyes. So all of these theories that it was
> a
> > missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight
> -
> > there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> > all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> > conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> > fact that people witnessed the plane.
>
>
> I never said it was a missle that hit the
> pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its
> obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the
> towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell
> and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that
> wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own
> foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see
> for yourself.
>
> Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who
> reported hearing multiple explosions right before
> each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is
> married to a firefighter who was there that day
> AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever
> have the privilege to meet one of the brave
> individuals that were there and lived through that
> hell, ask them what they think about what
> happened.
>
> So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is
> that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have
> an agenda and they control public opinion by
> manipulating the media.
You present no facts. Typical truther.
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> Witnesss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC
> on
> > 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with
> my
> > own eyes. So all of these theories that it was
> a
> > missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight
> -
> > there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> > all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> > conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> > fact that people witnessed the plane.
>
>
> I never said it was a missle that hit the
> pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its
> obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the
> towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell
> and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that
> wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own
> foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see
> for yourself.
>
> Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who
> reported hearing multiple explosions right before
> each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is
> married to a firefighter who was there that day
> AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever
> have the privilege to meet one of the brave
> individuals that were there and lived through that
> hell, ask them what they think about what
> happened.
>
> So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is
> that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have
> an agenda and they control public opinion by
> manipulating the media.
You present no facts. Typical truther.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
AJM
()
Date: December 14, 2012 10:12AM
Maybe the "truthers" should hold a fundraiser to get enough money to build an exact replica of one of the WTC towers and then fly a plane into it and see what happens. C'mon guys, get your acts together and show US the TRUTH!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 14, 2012 10:55AM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 14, 2012 12:51PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
America Fuck Yeah
()
Date: December 14, 2012 01:19PM
Restore the Republic Wrote:
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> Witnesss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC
> on
> > 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with
> my
> > own eyes. So all of these theories that it was
> a
> > missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight
> -
> > there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> > all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> > conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> > fact that people witnessed the plane.
>
>
> I never said it was a missle that hit the
> pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its
> obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the
> towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell
> and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that
> wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own
> foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see
> for yourself.
>
The original post linked to a blog entry which said: "At the Pentagon, here was just enough debris to fill up NO more than a few wheelbarrows; certainly, an airliner of almost any type would have left behind much, much more wreckage. "
If not you, then someone believes this
> Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who
> reported hearing multiple explosions right before
> each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is
> married to a firefighter who was there that day
> AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever
> have the privilege to meet one of the brave
> individuals that were there and lived through that
> hell, ask them what they think about what
> happened.
>
I don't doubt that they heard very loud, concussive noises that day, prior to the collapse of the buildings. But before you definitively say that it was explosives, you have to rule out other possible causes of these loud noises. Off the top of my head I can think of two other potential sources of these noises:
* The structural compromise of the building. Would you expect that a building that would collapse without the aid of explosives would do so quietly and suddenly?
* Falling debris. You see pieces of the exterior of the building falling left and right in every video of the event. The plane that hit the South Tower hit lower than the one that hit the North tower, above the 78th floor. The observation deck at the 107th tower was 1,362 ft high, so assuming the floors were roughly the same size, that means that debris was falling from 990ft and above.
Further, compare the audio of a controlled demolition to the audio of the WTC collapse:
Listen to how loud the explosions are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBQ3AkRetI
This one has flashes, booms and a then after a slight delay, collapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaNwPGcQcM
Here's one that claims you can hear explosions, but it's indistinguishable from the rest of the sound of the building collapsing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0a3Iz6Z0tg
Here's one from inside the North Tower as the South Tower collapses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NzSxSUb0Kk
> So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is
> that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have
> an agenda and they control public opinion by
> manipulating the media.
So, let me ask you this. We went to war with Iraq on the premise that they had WMD, and yet when we ousted Saddam Hussein we could find no WMD. Why would we fake a domestic terrorist attack and kill thousands of American citizens, but fail to plant WMD on the Iraqi army?
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> Witnesss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was one of the people driving on 395 into DC
> on
> > 9/11. I saw the plane hit the Pentatgon with
> my
> > own eyes. So all of these theories that it was
> a
> > missle always amuse me. Get your facts straight
> -
> > there were a ton of cars on 395 that day and we
> > all saw it, yet those who want to believe
> > conspiracy theories simply choose to ignore the
> > fact that people witnessed the plane.
>
>
> I never said it was a missle that hit the
> pentagon. Four planes were highjacked and its
> obvious that 3 of them hit the pentagon and the
> towers but that doesnt explain why the towers fell
> and it sure as hell doesnt explain why WTC 7 that
> wasnt hit by by ANYTHING free fell into its own
> foot print in 7 seconds! Watch the video and see
> for yourself.
>
The original post linked to a blog entry which said: "At the Pentagon, here was just enough debris to fill up NO more than a few wheelbarrows; certainly, an airliner of almost any type would have left behind much, much more wreckage. "
If not you, then someone believes this
> Not to mention all the firefighters and cops who
> reported hearing multiple explosions right before
> each one of the buildings collapsed. My cousin is
> married to a firefighter who was there that day
> AND SAW AND HEARD IT FOR HIMSELF!! If you ever
> have the privilege to meet one of the brave
> individuals that were there and lived through that
> hell, ask them what they think about what
> happened.
>
I don't doubt that they heard very loud, concussive noises that day, prior to the collapse of the buildings. But before you definitively say that it was explosives, you have to rule out other possible causes of these loud noises. Off the top of my head I can think of two other potential sources of these noises:
* The structural compromise of the building. Would you expect that a building that would collapse without the aid of explosives would do so quietly and suddenly?
* Falling debris. You see pieces of the exterior of the building falling left and right in every video of the event. The plane that hit the South Tower hit lower than the one that hit the North tower, above the 78th floor. The observation deck at the 107th tower was 1,362 ft high, so assuming the floors were roughly the same size, that means that debris was falling from 990ft and above.
Further, compare the audio of a controlled demolition to the audio of the WTC collapse:
Listen to how loud the explosions are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBQ3AkRetI
This one has flashes, booms and a then after a slight delay, collapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaNwPGcQcM
Here's one that claims you can hear explosions, but it's indistinguishable from the rest of the sound of the building collapsing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0a3Iz6Z0tg
Here's one from inside the North Tower as the South Tower collapses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NzSxSUb0Kk
> So, I do have my facts straight. The problem is
> that the people that were REALLY behind 9/11 have
> an agenda and they control public opinion by
> manipulating the media.
So, let me ask you this. We went to war with Iraq on the premise that they had WMD, and yet when we ousted Saddam Hussein we could find no WMD. Why would we fake a domestic terrorist attack and kill thousands of American citizens, but fail to plant WMD on the Iraqi army?
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
stupid media
()
Date: December 14, 2012 01:53PM
They had essentially disarmed according to the 1999 UNMOVIC report to the UN Security Council. Any likely chemical agents were inert by 2003. Chemical agents have a relatively short shelf life. If Iraq had been ramping up their manufacturing, it would have been easily detected. The sanctions were up for review in 2001-2002, Saddam would be stupid to jeopardize his chance for getting the sanctions lifted.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
yeppers
()
Date: December 14, 2012 06:19PM
Colin Powell and Condoleeza RiceL Iraq no threat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hN_-HTjy-_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hN_-HTjy-_w
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
FX Hippie
()
Date: December 14, 2012 07:05PM
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Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
clever ascii art
()
Date: December 14, 2012 07:11PM
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I like how this only works once you quote it. Really cool.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 14, 2012 10:56PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
youtube
()
Date: December 14, 2012 11:28PM
I know why I look for hard hitting news that really gets to the truth of the matter youtube videos are my first stop
Give it up terrorists carried out 9/11.
Give it up terrorists carried out 9/11.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
boobtube
()
Date: December 15, 2012 11:20PM
why fake one when you know there's going to be an attempted bombing at the same location? we already know the US received warnings of the attack well in advance of 911, that the original attack in July was called off and more warnings from the intelligence community followed, and all 20 hijackers were named in several reports in advance.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
money and power
()
Date: December 15, 2012 11:53PM
To allow the Bush administration to lead the country to war under false pretences so the war mongers could make trillions of dollars!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Restore the Republic
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:05AM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Truthers gone wild
()
Date: December 16, 2012 12:16AM
Don't dis on Youtube. A Youtube video made in California casued the attack in Benghazi, Libya on 9-11-12 that killed a US Ambassador. The Prez said so at the UN. Truthers are oddly silent on this issue.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Reagan
()
Date: December 16, 2012 09:04AM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Vinnie Linkarelli
()
Date: December 16, 2012 04:57PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Falser
()
Date: December 17, 2012 11:25AM
Restore the Republic Wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cQWXXEYe0I
I can't believe I just wasted an hour and ten minutes watching that whole thing. His argument is basically that because the government lied to us previously about events such as the Bay of Pigs, Operation Northwoods, etc. and that there are holes in the official 9/11 story (shown through truther speech clips) proves that the government planned 9/11. Sounds like solid proof to me! No logical fallacies committed there.
Again, if we went into Iraq because they had WMD, why didn't we then plant WMD in Iraq after we gained control of it? If they're willing to go as far as faking an attack that costs thousands of American lives, why not plant evidence to further justify these actions? It would have silenced his critics.
Believe it or not it's possible to be critical of the war on terrorism and our overseas operations without thinking our government was responsible for 9/11.
You're not the only one who can link to videos:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e09-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cQWXXEYe0I
I can't believe I just wasted an hour and ten minutes watching that whole thing. His argument is basically that because the government lied to us previously about events such as the Bay of Pigs, Operation Northwoods, etc. and that there are holes in the official 9/11 story (shown through truther speech clips) proves that the government planned 9/11. Sounds like solid proof to me! No logical fallacies committed there.
Again, if we went into Iraq because they had WMD, why didn't we then plant WMD in Iraq after we gained control of it? If they're willing to go as far as faking an attack that costs thousands of American lives, why not plant evidence to further justify these actions? It would have silenced his critics.
Believe it or not it's possible to be critical of the war on terrorism and our overseas operations without thinking our government was responsible for 9/11.
You're not the only one who can link to videos:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e09-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
lets give them all entry visas
()
Date: December 17, 2012 12:01PM
Sometimes it's just incompetence. There are better angles on 911 that indicate it was a result of a bungled attempt by the FBI to infiltrate Al Qaeda. It's too bad that they still seem to be doing the things in the same manner that jeopardize US security.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
hehe love it
()
Date: December 17, 2012 03:25PM
conspiracies are sexy, what are you going to do?
Whe people spout of about them, watch how they refuse to believe that it's possible there was no conspiracy. This by itself shows a bias that is not credible. Only when you are prepared to accept both outcomes can your research begin to be bought. But people ranting about 911 conspiracies are hoping to find one so that makes silly fabrications easy to digest.
Whe people spout of about them, watch how they refuse to believe that it's possible there was no conspiracy. This by itself shows a bias that is not credible. Only when you are prepared to accept both outcomes can your research begin to be bought. But people ranting about 911 conspiracies are hoping to find one so that makes silly fabrications easy to digest.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Bush let it happen
()
Date: December 20, 2012 09:44PM
Bush let it happen so he could invade Iraq
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: December 20, 2012 10:09PM
the truth about 9/11 is that our government is a headless and uncoordinated bureaucracy that always gets picked last for kickball. the idea of the government pulling off some master plan that spans decades in absolute secrecy is just fantasy.
the Mayan apocalypse is more likely to happen than the government actually working toward a common goal.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
the Mayan apocalypse is more likely to happen than the government actually working toward a common goal.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
_Eyedea_
()
Date: December 20, 2012 11:53PM
The cold war is over but the world is still getting colder, Atlas walking through the projects, with the Hood on my shoulders. I would like to raise my children to grow to be soldiers, but then a General would decide when their life would be over.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
122112
()
Date: December 21, 2012 12:14AM
they had some interesting leaks recently.
1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta to work on a sting because they decided Atta was too much work.
2. In the waning days of the Clinton administration, the incoming Bush administration was told that AQ was the top national security priority. The State Department also threated the government of Pakistan with invasion if they didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training camps.
3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil, not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta to work on a sting because they decided Atta was too much work.
2. In the waning days of the Clinton administration, the incoming Bush administration was told that AQ was the top national security priority. The State Department also threated the government of Pakistan with invasion if they didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training camps.
3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil, not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 truther
()
Date: December 21, 2012 10:25AM
122112 Wrote:
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> they had some interesting leaks recently.
>
> 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta
> to work on a sting because they decided Atta was
> too much work.
>
> 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> administration, the incoming Bush administration
> was told that AQ was the top national security
> priority. The State Department also threated the
> government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training
> camps.
>
> 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil,
> not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague
> warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
Yup...check this shit out!
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> they had some interesting leaks recently.
>
> 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta
> to work on a sting because they decided Atta was
> too much work.
>
> 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> administration, the incoming Bush administration
> was told that AQ was the top national security
> priority. The State Department also threated the
> government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training
> camps.
>
> 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil,
> not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague
> warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
Yup...check this shit out!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 truther
()
Date: December 21, 2012 10:27AM
9/11 truther Wrote:
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> 122112 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > they had some interesting leaks recently.
> >
> > 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking
> Atta
> > to work on a sting because they decided Atta
> was
> > too much work.
> >
> > 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> > administration, the incoming Bush
> administration
> > was told that AQ was the top national security
> > priority. The State Department also threated
> the
> > government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> > didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist
> training
> > camps.
> >
> > 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> > earlier of specific types of attacks on US
> soil,
> > not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague
> > warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
>
>
> Yup...check this shit out!
Sorry, the video didnt post for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA
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> 122112 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > they had some interesting leaks recently.
> >
> > 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking
> Atta
> > to work on a sting because they decided Atta
> was
> > too much work.
> >
> > 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> > administration, the incoming Bush
> administration
> > was told that AQ was the top national security
> > priority. The State Department also threated
> the
> > government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> > didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist
> training
> > camps.
> >
> > 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> > earlier of specific types of attacks on US
> soil,
> > not the short 2 or 3 months previously of vague
> > warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
>
>
> Yup...check this shit out!
Sorry, the video didnt post for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
OU812NOW
()
Date: December 21, 2012 10:39AM
122112 Wrote:
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> they had some interesting leaks recently.
>
> 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta
> to work on a sting because they decided Atta was
> too much work.
>
> 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> administration, the incoming Bush administration
> was told that AQ was the top national security
> priority. The State Department also threated the
> government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training
> camps.
>
> 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil,
> not the short 2 or 3 months of vague
> warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
There's probably a lot more out there.
The 911 commission was blocked from interviewing nearly 50 FBI agents and informants, including the FBI informant who hosted two of the piloting hijackers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> they had some interesting leaks recently.
>
> 1. One female agent was pulled off tracking Atta
> to work on a sting because they decided Atta was
> too much work.
>
> 2. In the waning days of the Clinton
> administration, the incoming Bush administration
> was told that AQ was the top national security
> priority. The State Department also threated the
> government of Pakistan with invasion if they
> didn't crack down on AQ and the terrorist training
> camps.
>
> 3. CIA and foreign intel agencies warned much
> earlier of specific types of attacks on US soil,
> not the short 2 or 3 months of vague
> warnings claimed by Condoleeza Rice.
There's probably a lot more out there.
The 911 commission was blocked from interviewing nearly 50 FBI agents and informants, including the FBI informant who hosted two of the piloting hijackers.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 truther
()
Date: December 21, 2012 12:36PM
Fact:
The name of the company that removed the steel from ground zero and despossed of most of it before investigators could examine it was called "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION INC." and Marvin Bush(George W. Bushes younger brother) was the CEO at the time!!
The name of the company that removed the steel from ground zero and despossed of most of it before investigators could examine it was called "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION INC." and Marvin Bush(George W. Bushes younger brother) was the CEO at the time!!
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Salvatore
()
Date: December 22, 2012 01:45AM
A master is a conqeror of men, offering flase security at the cost of subserviance. And once you are under the illusion that slavery to a gaurdian is safety, you no longer have to adapt or grow or be creative, all those things are supposedly done for you by your rulers. Thusly you are weakend. Thusly is this war we call life, there are no masters, only enemies that conqeror by lies rather than by arms.
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
Obama isnt even a good actor
()
Date: December 29, 2012 08:16PM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
9/11 was a lie
()
Date: January 04, 2013 10:41AM
Re: the truth about 9/11
Posted by:
BEH
()
Date: January 04, 2013 11:55AM
Wow!
And to think I've seen the light on FFU!
The OP must be the smartest person in the world!
And to think I've seen the light on FFU!
The OP must be the smartest person in the world!