Should a racist like George Allen be a United Sates Senator representing you and Virginia?
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I like the cut of this man's jib.

It's not so much a vote for Allen as a vote against the retarded Obama butt-kisser Timmy Kaine!

The term "racist" has lost all meaning anymore. The Democrat Party took care of that.

As I understand it, one is racist if they do not want Obama to be reelected.

Thus, I am racist.

"Racism", where is thy sting?

"Macaca" was a Democrat spy who had been following George Allen around at campaign events.
Funny how every time I see a post about "Macaca" it never seems to include that ittle tidbit. Wonder why?

no, there's two uses for the word "racist."

one is an epithet used by silly people who don't like somebody's opinion.

the other is a person like george allen, who is, objectively, an embarassing racist as indicated by his direct statements. he's should have the grace to acknowledge it and go live his life out quietly somewhere. but he doesn't, and other likeminded idiots are going to rally around him and support this crap.

also, seeing fat old guys who've never seen a day of hard work in their lives wearing cowboy hats is about as retarded as seeing mitt romney driving around in a pickup truck.

Here is George Allen in his own words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r90z0PMnKwI

What an upstanding guy. He should be a Senator representing Virginia? NOT!

57 States Wrote:
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> The term "racist" has lost all meaning anymore.
> The Democrat Party took care of that.
>
> As I understand it, one is racist if they do not
> want Obama to be reelected.
>
> Thus, I am racist.
>
> "Racism", where is thy sting?


And the term "marriage" too. What is up with the liberal that he must changes the meaning of words to suit his warped view of life?

truthteller wrote:
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>It's not so much a vote for Allen as a vote against the retarded Obama
>butt-kisser Timmy Kaine!

+1

Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> no, there's two uses for the word "racist."
>
> one is an epithet used by silly people who don't
> like somebody's opinion.
>
> the other is a person like george allen, who is,
> objectively, an embarassing racist as indicated by
> his direct statements. he's should have the grace
> to acknowledge it and go live his life out quietly
> somewhere. but he doesn't, and other likeminded
> idiots are going to rally around him and support
> this crap.

You forgot that the word is applied to Caucasians only. Plenty of African Americans in the Democrat party that spout off racist hate yet never get called out due to their skin color.

You GMU College Republicans are an embarrassment to the Republican Party. We used to stand for something great. Grow up!
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Just the Facts Wrote:
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> Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> > no, there's two uses for the word "racist."
> >
> > one is an epithet used by silly people who
> don't
> > like somebody's opinion.
> >
> > the other is a person like george allen, who
> is,
> > objectively, an embarassing racist as indicated
> by
> > his direct statements. he's should have the
> grace
> > to acknowledge it and go live his life out
> quietly
> > somewhere. but he doesn't, and other
> likeminded
> > idiots are going to rally around him and
> support
> > this crap.
>
> You forgot that the word is applied to Caucasians
> only. Plenty of African Americans in the Democrat
> party that spout off racist hate yet never get
> called out due to their skin color.

+1

RealRepublican Wrote:
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> You GMU College Republicans are an embarrassment
> to the Republican Party. We used to stand for
> something great. Grow up!
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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> RealRepublican Wrote:
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> > You GMU College Republicans are an
> embarrassment
> > to the Republican Party. We used to stand for
> > something great. Grow up!

At least somebody realizes we have a border.

HelpUsAll Wrote:
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> At least somebody realizes we have a border.



So for my last post, I went to "search" and typed in "Klan", grabbed the first pic I saw, right?

It's just interesting to me how a GOP person would see that pic as a positive thing.

Borders - Gotta keep the GOP fenced in for liability reasons.
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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> HelpUsAll Wrote:
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> >
> > At least somebody realizes we have a border.
>
>
>
> So for my last post, I went to "search" and typed
> in "Klan", grabbed the first pic I saw, right?
>
> It's just interesting to me how a GOP person would
> see that pic as a positive thing.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK

Get your head out of your ass Gordo. Every post shows what a retard you are.

@Liberal- if you are stuck in the political arenas of the 19th century, (the time of which the KKK and the Democratic Party where affiliated, per the information in the link YOU provided states) then you are the one who needs to remove their head from their ass and join the rest of us in the 21 century, k?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Liberal- if you are stuck in the political arenas
> of the 19th century, (the time of which the KKK
> and the Democratic Party where affiliated, per the
> information in the link YOU provided states) then
> you are the one who needs to remove their head
> from their ass and join the rest of us in the 21
> century, k?

Yeah.....

Aren't you proud of Virginia thanks to George Allen...
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I have seen the light and renounced the Communist ideals of Obama/Webb/Kaine. That's why I'm voting for George Allen for U. S. Senate.

^Totally understand what you and George Allen stand for.
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@Crystal - oh dont be like that - that bumper sticker is in NO WAY meant to be offensive, you see. Liberal Truther believes that's really a democrat, right? LoLz

What I will never understand is how ppl can feel like that person who has that bumper sticker - but that same person will get all butthurt when you call them out on their racism. And we all know what they ALWAYS FUCKING SAY WHEN YOU DO CALL THEM OUT - You know the tune - you've heard it before - sing along with me, now - and a one, and a two................

"But I'm not a racist. One of my best friends is (insert ethnicity here)!"

why do they ALWAYS do that!?!?!

Racism is keeping minorities in a perpetual state of welfare like the dems do since that's the only way they can get votes. It's been a miserable failure, uplifting no one from the cycle of dependency.

Keep voting for Timmay if you want to continue the transfer of funds to those who keep it real.

Funny, 0drama just gutted the welfare reform law of 1996 that Clinton passed, which required welfare recipients to be looking for work, assisted them in increasing their education and job skills. But go figure, when you're desperate for votes, the best thing to do is buy'em. And it was proven to be beneficial to minorities.

I fill you up.
Lets have a party.
Lets have a party.

Introducing the honorable Senator George "MooCaCa" Allen from Virginia.
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Link or shut the fuck up, I heard no such law being created not to mention O'drama (evidently a new irish soap opera) has no power to do that without congress, which with the teaparty in place would have been raising hell.

So please post the link you fucking trocalodite

If you are talking about this;

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/obama-administration-defends-change-to-welfare-to-work-program/

Then you are a bigger idiot than I even thought, wouldn't provision of greater state control be a staple of the GOP? Jesus christ get your political philosophy straight, or are you simply against any thing that the president does because hes from kenya?

man, what a link - first line in the news story:

Amid recent criticism by Republicans, the Obama administration has released further details of its move to give states greater flexibility in managing their federally funded welfare-to-work programs.

so let me see if I get this straight..........Tea baggers are all for less Government and States Rights.........except for when it actually happens, eh?

o_0

Virginia is swifly becoming a third-world cesspool populated by filthy illegal aliens. And as the dirty and lawless illegal population increases, so does rape, murder, narcotics, gangs, unemployment, and welfare dependence. If Hor-hay Allen can stop the locusts from swarming, then he is a hero.

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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> man, what a link - first line in the news story:
>
> Amid recent criticism by Republicans, the Obama
> administration has released further details of its
> move to give states greater flexibility in
> managing their federally funded welfare-to-work
> programs.
>
> so let me see if I get this straight..........Tea
> baggers are all for less Government and States
> Rights.........except for when it actually
> happens, eh?
>
> o_0

Except that, had you read more than the first line and more than just a politics blog at the NYT, it doesn't actually do that. Rather, it requires that the states meet HHS objectives for compliance of their programs toward the less restrictive goals and it attempts to administratively override the work requirement which was specifically written into the law to prevent exactly that.

Weather_dud Wrote:
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> Racism is keeping minorities in a perpetual state
> of welfare like the dems do since that's the only
> way they can get votes. It's been a miserable
> failure, uplifting no one from the cycle of
> dependency.
>
> Keep voting for Timmay if you want to continue the
> transfer of funds to those who keep it real.
>
> Funny, 0drama just gutted the welfare reform law
> of 1996 that Clinton passed, which required
> welfare recipients to be looking for work,
> assisted them in increasing their education and
> job skills. But go figure, when you're desperate
> for votes, the best thing to do is buy'em. And it
> was proven to be beneficial to minorities.

I have on occasion wondered what inclines middle class "conservatives" to vote for politicians and support policies that are against their own best interest, individually and collectively, particularly when this group repudiates the idea of social responsibility (despite the fact that the Constitution begins with it: "provide for the common defense", "promote the general welfare").

While not answering my question, your statements provide vital information. You are able to hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at the same time. You first whip out that exhausted bromide about "Racism is keeping minorities in a perpetual state of welfare like the dems do". At a minimum then, you either do not know the definition of "perpetual", or you do and you think that Reagan's "Welfare Queens" are still alive and well, and driving around in an taxpayer funded SUV newer than yours. I think it's the latter, because you're not a liar, right?

Then in your very next statement you acknowledge Clinton's (you meant to use a "K" there, right? You've got to follow the points you've been given) 1996 overhaul of Welfare and criticize Obama for what you have been told to believe (okay I'll be charitable, "for what you believe") is his effort to weaken its "Welfare-to-work" requirement.

Now, where have I encountered this feat before...two ideas opposed to each other...both fervently believed...oh yea, Orwell's dystopian masterpiece 1984. It was the means being perfected by the Thought Police to finally enthrall the Outer Party to the small, privileged Inner Party.

The web is such a wonderful thing. I can effortlessly conjure up some quotes...

(O'brien is the Inner Party member tasked with returning Winston to the fold, so to speak, as he has fallen from the one true faith)

O'brien: Power is not a means, it's an end.
O'brien: Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them back together in new shapes of your own choosing.
O'brien: If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.

Hmmm, sounds pretty rough. I think I'll move my money to the Caymans and open up a business in Burmuda to solidify my position in the Inner Party.

Wait...the Cayman Islands...Burmuda...both are British possessions...and Switzerland is in Europe, which is where the UK is! Could it be that Mitt Romney is in league with the Europeans, and even worse, the Queen! It must be, Romney speaks French, like John Kerry, and we all know how HE engaged in sinister acts with Jane Fonda, who was married to the CEO of the Clinton News Network. George Allen speaks French also, but that is another rant.

Oh, this could be far worse than having our vaulted medical system, which costs much, much more, but doesn't keep us alive as long as those poor Europeans with socialized medicine, turned into ObamaCare. THEY COULD BE PLANNING TO MAKE US USE THE METRIC SYSTEM!!!!

Now, these last two paragraphs...that's what you Republican types sound like. Pieces of things improbably glued together you call "facts", which are used in support of non sequiturs. When you write this stuff, that's what it looks like -- except, of course, the grammar and spelling are poor.

Nova_Native Wrote:
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> Weather_dud Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Racism is keeping minorities in a perpetual
> state
> > of welfare like the dems do since that's the
> only
> > way they can get votes. It's been a miserable
> > failure, uplifting no one from the cycle of
> > dependency.
> >
> > Keep voting for Timmay if you want to continue
> the
> > transfer of funds to those who keep it real.
> >
> > Funny, 0drama just gutted the welfare reform
> law
> > of 1996 that Clinton passed, which required
> > welfare recipients to be looking for work,
> > assisted them in increasing their education and
> > job skills. But go figure, when you're
> desperate
> > for votes, the best thing to do is buy'em. And
> it
> > was proven to be beneficial to minorities.
>
> I have on occasion wondered what inclines middle
> class "conservatives" to vote for politicians and
> support policies that are against their own best
> interest, individually and collectively,
> particularly when this group repudiates the idea
> of social responsibility (despite the fact that
> the Constitution begins with it: "provide for the
> common defense", "promote the general welfare").
>
> While not answering my question, your statements
> provide vital information. You are able to hold
> two diametrically opposed ideas in your head at
> the same time. You first whip out that exhausted
> bromide about "Racism is keeping minorities in a
> perpetual state of welfare like the dems do". At
> a minimum then, you either do not know the
> definition of "perpetual", or you do and you think
> that Reagan's "Welfare Queens" are still alive and
> well, and driving around in an taxpayer funded SUV
> newer than yours. I think it's the latter,
> because you're not a liar, right?
>
> Then in your very next statement you acknowledge
> Clinton's (you meant to use a "K" there, right?
> You've got to follow the points you've been given)
> 1996 overhaul of Welfare and criticize Obama for
> what you have been told to believe (okay I'll be
> charitable, "for what you believe") is his effort
> to weaken its "Welfare-to-work" requirement.
>
> Now, where have I encountered this feat
> before...two ideas opposed to each other...both
> fervently believed...oh yea, Orwell's dystopian
> masterpiece 1984. It was the means being
> perfected by the Thought Police to finally
> enthrall the Outer Party to the small, privileged
> Inner Party.
>
> The web is such a wonderful thing. I can
> effortlessly conjure up some quotes...
>
> (O'brien is the Inner Party member tasked with
> returning Winston to the fold, so to speak, as he
> has fallen from the one true faith)
>
> O'brien: Power is not a means, it's an end.
> O'brien: Power is tearing human minds apart and
> putting them back together in new shapes of your
> own choosing.
> O'brien: If you want a vision of the future,
> Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face
> forever.
>
> Hmmm, sounds pretty rough. I think I'll move my
> money to the Caymans and open up a business in
> Burmuda to solidify my position in the Inner
> Party.
>
> Wait...the Cayman Islands...Burmuda...both are
> British possessions...and Switzerland is in
> Europe, which is where the UK is! Could it be
> that Mitt Romney is in league with the Europeans,
> and even worse, the Queen! It must be, Romney
> speaks French, like John Kerry, and we all know
> how HE engaged in sinister acts with Jane Fonda,
> who was married to the CEO of the Clinton News
> Network. George Allen speaks French also, but that
> is another rant.
>
> Oh, this could be far worse than having our
> vaulted medical system, which costs much, much
> more, but doesn't keep us alive as long as those
> poor Europeans with socialized medicine, turned
> into ObamaCare. THEY COULD BE PLANNING TO MAKE US
> USE THE METRIC SYSTEM!!!!
>
> Now, these last two paragraphs...that's what you
> Republican types sound like. Pieces of things
> improbably glued together you call "facts", which
> are used in support of non sequiturs. When you
> write this stuff, that's what it looks like --
> except, of course, the grammar and spelling are
> poor.

Qui est stupide.

Why work? Nap! Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

>
> Except that, had you read more than the first line
> and more than just a politics blog at the NYT, it
> doesn't actually do that. Rather, it requires
> that the states meet HHS objectives for compliance
> of their programs toward the less restrictive
> goals and it attempts to administratively override
> the work requirement which was specifically
> written into the law to prevent exactly that.

You again? What "World Net Daily" or "Fox Nation" wet dream did you read? Post it, I love reading their stuff. It's like listening to Sean Hannity or Mark Livine. They should simul-cast those guys on Comedy Central.

Just look at your second sentence. What nonsense. So, you are opposed to Federal oversite of compliance with HHS stipulations in a block grant to states. Well, it may be okay by you, but I don't want my "purple" state tax dollars buying a big boat in Biloxi for some MIssissippi politician.

The change doesn't force states to develop new methods of welfare-to-work, so states aren't compelled to change their programs. But you and the Heritage Foundation (weren't they the group who wrote that the states are "marvelous laboratories of innovation" or words to that effect) are concerned that there are states which will weaken their programs, but still take the grants. Good observation, hence the need for oversight.

Nova_Native Wrote:
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> Why work? Nap! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >
> > Except that, had you read more than the first
> line
> > and more than just a politics blog at the NYT,
> it
> > doesn't actually do that. Rather, it requires
> > that the states meet HHS objectives for
> compliance
> > of their programs toward the less restrictive
> > goals and it attempts to administratively
> override
> > the work requirement which was specifically
> > written into the law to prevent exactly that.
>
> You again? What "World Net Daily" or "Fox Nation"
> wet dream did you read? Post it, I love reading
> their stuff. It's like listening to Sean Hannity
> or Mark Livine. They should simul-cast those guys
> on Comedy Central.
>
> Just look at your second sentence. What nonsense.
> So, you are opposed to Federal oversite of
> compliance with HHS stipulations in a block grant
> to states. Well, it may be okay by you, but I
> don't want my "purple" state tax dollars buying a
> big boat in Biloxi for some MIssissippi
> politician.
>
> The change doesn't force states to develop new
> methods of welfare-to-work, so states aren't
> compelled to change their programs. But you and
> the Heritage Foundation (weren't they the group
> who wrote that the states are "marvelous
> laboratories of innovation" or words to that
> effect) are concerned that there are states which
> will weaken their programs, but still take the
> grants. Good observation, hence the need for
> oversight.


If you'd read the post that I was responding to instead just instinctively going off on your typical lunatic Dem babble, then you might have realized that having HHS driving the program and continuing to dictate the changes isn't particularly responsive to Gordon's point re state's rights. Now if he wants to hand off the program so that the states can run it in the way that they want, then he'd likely find more support for that from the other side. I'm not opposed to the block grant arrangement and I didn't say that HHS shouldn't have oversight, but that's a long way from what Gordon was implying.

My information comes from HHS's own announcement here:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/policy/im-ofa/2012/im201203/im201203.html

If you can read this and believe that it represents some victory for state's rights, then I want some of whatever it is that you're smoking since it's obviously some good shit.

While HHS can waiver various aspects of how the states implement their respective programs, the act is intentionally written in a way that specifically restricts altering the definition of "work." Even they recognize the restrictions under Section 408. The primary point in contention is that they are trying an "end around" using the general authority under 402 to grant waivers as overriding the specific restrictions in 408. Sorry, that's just the fact as it stands and this likely will end up in the courts.

In the future, maybe you should pull your head out of your partisan ass so that you can see and read better before commenting.

from the HHS link!!!
As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.

@RiF - so you are saying you are scared yr not gonna get yr check cause you dont wanna have to look for work? Is THAT what this is about!?!?!?!

"It's all about the Benjamins. What?"

I believe she (Gordon) is making a small dig at Republicans and specifically Tea Bagger rhetoric. We haven't seen the first iota of evidence that Republican leadership is shrinking government (and we never will, because that would mean everyone would have to return home to that racid little town with no cable, and the low office above the Diary Queen where one continue the practice of Domestic law with the three "D"s: "D"WIs, domestic violence, and divorce. And certainly "States Rights" have been settled as of April, 1865.

Nevertheless, these concepts from the root of Bagger ideology, except, as Gordon points out, when they are not convenient to do so. That's the joke.

With respect to my reading comprehension, perhaps you're right. I have a PhD in a STEM field, but I'm in my 50s, and sometimes I feel like I'm slipping a bit. The misplaced car keys, the book left on top of the car, the fumbled slideshow presentation. I receive essays from students who attended local schools, and, for many of them, I can't understand a word they've written. It must be me, as they always tell me, "hey, this got me through High School".

So, help an old man out. Indicate the exact sentences and passages where you
positions are illuminated and corroborated. For example, "having HHS driving the program and continuing to dictate the changes isn't particularly responsive to Gordon's point re state's rights." I don't know. Did you except laughter or something.

Or "While HHS can waiver various aspects of how the states implement their respective programs, the act is intentionally written in a way that specifically restricts altering the definition of "work."

But isn't that what you want, restriction? Or are you saying that the language in the law was crafted to make it extremely hard to change it's original purpose? Evidently not as hard as you thought.

And: "Even they recognize the restrictions under Section 408. The primary point in contention is that they are trying an "end around" using the general authority under 402 to grant waivers as overriding the specific restrictions in 408. Sorry, that's just the fact as it stands and this likely will end up in the courts." So, 403 provides a means of subsuming the provitions of 408. Are you suggesting that 402 was an unused part that the Secretary of HHS just happen to notice one day, or that it was secretly injected into the guys of the bill, like a virus.

Tl-dr translation: im kinda crazy cause im all math-smart and in all honesty could care less about anybody who works for, with, or recieves aid from HHS.

edit: NOVA, you know darn well RiF could care less about HHS as an agency



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If George Allen is elected he'll drape that statue with a confederate flag and use it to display his collection of nooses.

He will make sure Klan meetings are posted to his website.

Instead of getting constituents a flag, he'll give them the chance to burn a cross.

So much for coming from a football family.

Check out George Allen's really lame explanation of the macaca incident.
Warning - very painful to think this might be our next Senator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfP3vj8Gl8&feature=related

Allen should fly the Confederate Flag proudly. But he should never have called that sneaky gutless dirty greaseball democrat operative a little "macaca". He should have called him a litle towel head sand niggger.

Look how George Allen responds to a constituents question.
Apparently George Allen had a habit of spitting on his first wife and doesn't want to talk about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDcp4t5BiPY&feature=related

Thats not so bad. Bill Clinton used to rape his mistresses and it served him pretty well politically.

Hey Gooey you fucking coward you are a big boy online huh. You are whats wrong with america, why dont you go fuckin live in a canada where everyone is White and all is good in the world if you think this place sucks you and your stupid bloody cunted mother.

1) Indians dont come from a country with any sand (if you had any knowledge in that redneck cock guzzling head of yours you would know that).

2) He was hindu, aka doesnt wear a turban, also remember your mother and wife (ha who are we kidding you probably are a lonely little douche) are filthy cum hungering gonorea carriers

3) I hope your face is run over by a mack truck tomorrow, seriously, I pray for people like you to burn in the worst possible ways :) You ruin this world and you will know the damage you caused when your judgement comes and you are told how your hatred will condemn you for eternity.

Oh and btw I can't wait for me and my indian, chinese, and middle eastern friends who have Phds, are affluent, paid 6 figures and entrepreneurial start taking over not just your jobs but all the corporations also... keep being ignorant and keep losing your jobs and becoming a impoverished redneck

Joe Paterno's Statue Wrote:
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> If George Allen is elected he'll drape that statue
> with a confederate flag and use it to display his
> collection of nooses.
>
> He will make sure Klan meetings are posted to his
> website.
>
> Instead of getting constituents a flag, he'll give
> them the chance to burn a cross.
>
> So much for coming from a football family.

Eenteresteeing you have to make up lie. Me no likee lies. Me
be Republican now. Deemocrat no habp brain.

James Holmes, the murderer in Aurora, Colorado, looks like the typical liberal who started this thread.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-aurora-shooter-james-holmes-adultfriendfinder-account/

Nova_Native Wrote:
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> I believe she (Gordon) is making a small dig at
> Republicans and specifically Tea Bagger rhetoric.
> ...
> Nevertheless, these concepts from the root of
> Bagger ideology, except, as Gordon points out,
> when they are not convenient to do so. That's the
> joke.

Um, yeah, I got that. Except that it doesn't at all apply in this case which was the point of my response. I have some interest in and knowledge of this matter in particular beyond standard forum banter which is why I responded. Not at all an applicable example per Gordon's comment. (And in anticipation of the obvious, no I'm not on welfare. lol)


>
> So, help an old man out. Indicate the exact
> sentences and passages where you
> positions are illuminated and corroborated. For
> example, "having HHS driving the program and
> continuing to dictate the changes isn't
> particularly responsive to Gordon's point re
> state's rights." I don't know. Did you except
> laughter or something.


No problem. I'm an old guy too so glad to help out another codger. ;)

If you'd read it then what I said would be clear. There is nothing which in any way delegates authority or hands off responsibility or primacy to the states. The entire approach has HHS as the responsible entity for the TANF program and its expansion via its authority under the law as cited. It's simply a planned expansion to one aspect of the program as it stands (i.e., demo programs). But if you want a specific example that demonstrates this, then the following is illustrative of the point:

"In providing for these demonstrations, HHS will hold states accountable by requiring both a federally-approved evaluation and interim performance targets that ensure an immediate focus on measurable outcomes. States must develop evaluation plans that are sufficient to evaluate the effect of the proposed approach in furthering a TANF purpose as well as interim targets the state commits to achieve. States that fail to meet interim outcome targets will be required to develop an improvement plan and can face termination of the waiver project."


> But isn't that what you want, restriction? Or are
> you saying that the language in the law was
> crafted to make it extremely hard to change it's
> original purpose? Evidently not as hard as you
> thought.


The latter. If you're 50-ish, then you should recall the nature of the debate and intent of the changes made to the programs during the Clinton administration ("Workfare" ring any bells?). And, no, it's not hard to simply ignore or interpret some aspect of a law that is inconvenient for a given administration's objectives in the way that they'd like. Happens all the time on both sides and such things routinely end up in the courts for resolution.


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> Are you suggesting that 402 was an unused
> part that the Secretary of HHS just happen to
> notice one day, or that it was secretly injected
> into the guys of the bill, like a virus.


No, as above, administrations actively look for ways to accomplish what they view as their mission and to justify/expand/contract/not enforce various aspects of law that fit/don't fit with their objectives. They employ attorneys and legislative analysts specifically to do just that. If you're not aware of this, then you may want to take a more active interest in how your government actually works. But that should be apparent simply from various issues along such lines which regularly appear in the news.

Beyond the applicability of this per Gordon's comment, since you seem to have some general interest, here's how this one shakes out in a nutshell:

The administration has a general objective of ensuring/expanding the social safety net/increasing funding to the poor/redistributing money, however you'd like to characterize it depending on where you fall in the political spectrum, in the same way that's it has pushed for the expansion of the 'food stamp' and similar programs, etc.

In particular with respect to the TANF program, given the downturn and resulting higher unemployment it's become harder for states to meet work participation requirements. There have been a number of legislative changes made to try to help along those lines (some of which were bi-partisan and pre-date the current administration). Too much to go through here, but if you're interested in the issue and the requirements, then the following is pretty good as far as addressing the issues and from a liberal-friendly source (Urban Institute):

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre/other_resrch/tanf_ccdf/reports/work_requirements.pdf

In this case specifically, the strategy is to use the demo provisions as a means to increase funding to the states. Practically, this is done by requiring participants to meet higher goals for the numbers of persons who are engaged in "work" (as is required to receive funding under the law). As I recall, the goal mentioned for the demo programs was in the range of 20% over the previous year. So the method to increase funding is to set higher objectives and then require participants to meet such requirements.

Given that it's unlikely that a state could meet the higher funding objectives with the work requirements as they are written (otherwise there would be no need to do this at all, they could simply increase the funding accordingly), they are attempting to redefine what constitutes "work," thereby making it easier to meet the work requirement of the law, thereby meeting the higher targets of the program, and thereby distributing more funds. That is, they're not anticipating actually putting more people to work (as currently defined), they're simply moving the goal posts with respect to what constitutes "work" in order to increase the amount of funding to those assisted under the program.

Now you can argue whether this is a good or bad thing depending on political views, but that's the reality of what's happening. It's not a question of forcing states to do something on a non-voluntary basis; rather, it's an attempt to provide a "loophole" for HHS and states with leadership which favors the administration's view to take advantage of in order to expand funding under the program.

The heart of the matter from the opposition side is that, unlike other changes that have been made legislatively to date as above, this is being done administratively and, more significantly, that it attempts to circumvent THE KEY element of the law with regard to work-to-receive restrictions in direct conflict with what is very clear legislative intent. As a not exactly equivalent but simple analogy just to better illustrate the point, it's somewhat equivalent to redefining what constitutes "water" under the Clean Water Act and doing so at an administrative level.

Obama recently signed away the welfare to work requirements. Instead you are now allowed to stay on welfare your entire life if you wish. The requirement to seek employment no longer exists. You probably didnt hear much about this in the media but of course that is no surprise.

If Virginians can help can elect a President who attends a racist church for 20 years, and is married by a racist preacher, surely we can elect a senator from Va. who uses the word "macaca"

Hey RacistMorons, you filthy fucking coward you are a big boy online huh. You are whats wrong with america, why dont you go fuckin live in a haiti where everyone is black and stoopit and all is bad in the world if you think this place sucks you and your stupid bloody cunt whore-mother

1) Indians come from a country with sand (if you had any knowledge in that sand-niggger luvin cock guzzling head of yours you would know that).

2) He was a filthy hindu, aka doesnt wear a turban, also remember your mother and wife (ha who are we kidding you probably are a lonely little douche) are filthy cum hungering gonorea carriers

3) I hope your face is run over by a mack truck tomorrow, seriously, I pray for people like you to burn in the worst possible ways :) You ruin this world and you will know the damage you caused when your judgement comes and you are told how your hatred will condemn you for eternity.

so phuk you and the horse you rode in on scumbag

Oh and btw I can't wait for me and my danish, finnish, swedish, russian, and norwegian friend who have Phds, are affluent, paid 6 figures and entrepreneurial start taking over not just your jobs but all the corporations also... keep being ignorant and keep losing your jobs and becoming a impoverished sand-niggger lover

Gay cowboy throwing a football..
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His sexual orientation and politics say otherwise.
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thank you tim kaine for all you did as governor
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^ Nice picture of Nevada. Like George Allen - a dumbass!
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Hey Gooey you fucking moron,

Just showing your ignorance by thinking india has sand.

Your idiot ass is from russia you say? Wowwwwww go govern that country out of the shit hole. Norweigia as Bachmann calls it needs your help go help your brethren!

Dont worry you dont have a Phd, I know, you can act like you do but you know you don't k buddy? Its ok man, we arent judging your mongoloid ass, we just wish you would go ahead and die already.

What do you have a PHD in? Solving whether or not evolution is real? Disproving the myths of global warming? How old is the earth 101? The tea party racist douchers like you make us enlightened folk just laaaaaaugh and laaaaaaaugh.

You want virginia to be more like those states? Ohio? Minnesota? South Carolina? Arizona? Louisiana? Mississippi?

Those by the way are the least culturally diverse states in the country, and they are also the states with the lowest GDP growth, largest federal funding requirements, and highest unemployment.

So go there, go to those hell holes you douche and see what its like to live in a "free country" its free because its worthless down there, no one gives a shit take what you want.

PS I am already likely your boss, so shut the fuck up and do something that contributes to society you dipshit. Go read a fucking book

George Allen - Bought and paid for by a Koch or two.
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Hey RacistsMoron you fucking asswipe moron,

Just showing your ignorance by thinking india has no sand.

Your idiot ass is from the mideast you say? Wowwwwww go govern that country out of thagert sandnigg shit hole. Haiti as Sharpton calls it needs your help go help your brethren!

Dont worry you dont have a Phd, I know, you can act like you do but you know you don't k buddy? Its ok man, we arent judging your sandniggger ass, we just wish you would go ahead and die already.

What do you have a PHD in? Solving whether or not evolution is real? Disproving the myths of global warming? How old is the earth 101? The tea black caucas racist douchers like you make us enlightened folk just laaaaaaugh and laaaaaaaugh and lafffffffff!!

You want virginia to be more like those countries? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Ethiopa? South Africa? Nigeria? lololololzzz!!!

Those by the way are the least white in the world, and they are also the countries with the lowest GDP growth, largest federal funding requirements, and highest unemployment and poverty.

So go there, go to those hell holes you filthy fukkin douche and see what its like to live in a "free country" its free because its worthless down there, no one gives a shit take what you want.

PS I am already likely your boss, so shut the fuck up and do something that contributes to society you dipshit. Go read a fucking book, you ignorant scumbag.

Back at ya doomas!
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Talk about a wide stance. Tap. Tap. Tap.
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Hey fuck face you got any original material?

Interesting you bring up 6 countries in your argument which have been long dominated by imperialism and colonization which have robbed the natural resources that ARE there and fueled genocides through the sale of arms to power hungry warlords so that the white man can give diamonds and oil to their fat whore wives.

Learn something dipshit, seriously, if you are so smart tell us ONE fucking actual statistic or fact about how the white race is so superior?

If it werent for indians, asians, and other immigrants this country would be in real economic problems because i know for sure your food stamp internet loving cum gargling bitch ass can't come up with one inventive or innovative idea.

Also interesting cherry picking of countries with non-whites

Noticed you didnt include

Brazil, India, Saudi, UAE, China, Argentina, Singapore, Japan, or Korea all of which are growing faster than the US and all of whom have greater GDP currently than the cumulative GDP of the deep south States (of which Im sure you wish Virginia would join so we can finally provide a final solution like you'd enjoy).

Get over it ass hole

After Penn State, George Allen should not make a big deal of coming from a football family.

Of course his history of racism follows him everywhere. Macaca, the noose, the confederate flag.

I'm sure if we dig deep enough we'll find a burning cross and a sheet with two holes cut it in.

God Bless the Confederate Flag. And slavery in the American South provided a superior quality of life to a life lived in the savage jungles of africa.

What does George MooCaCa have to say about all this?
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gonna find you

Bring it on pea shooter.

George Allen is outraged:

http://news.yahoo.com/attackers-said-carve-gay-slurs-nebraska-woman-police-175746210.html

He advocates nooses and burning crosses as an alternative. Do not forget, contribute more than $50 to his campaign, you will get a noose. $100 gets you a confederate flag. $1000 gets you a chance to light a fiery cross.

I was planning on giving to Tim Kaine, but all the Bain people beat me to it. Tell me again if Bain is so bad, why is Tim Kaine taking their cash? Tim Kaine is bought and paid for by outsourcers and offshorers. Kiss our jobs goodbye, Virginians. Tim Kaine is shipping them out. Tim Kaine's platform: No Jobs, No Rest Areas.

Why don't you give it a rest and get the nutz outta your mouth Tea Bagger.

Tim Kaine agenda:

1) Provide free stuff for queers and establish a Gay National Holiday.
All Gay Federal employees get the day off. Straight employees have to
work though.

2) Invite millions more illegal aliens into the country and give them
Citizenship and free stuff for life.

3) Ban and confiscate all firearms.

4) Tax the shit out of everything.

5) Carve Obama's face onto Mt. Rushmore.

6) Force everybody to convert to Islam.

^ Spoken like a true go backwards idiot.
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Very tough sounding screennames, but why are you fighting over funding to one candidate or another? Very Big Money funds both REP/DEM candidates with hugely expensive advertising campaigns. The prez has set a goal of one billion dollars to get him re-elected. Thats for a guy who many thought was "historic " quite recently. With enough advertising and the manipulation of hot-button emotional topics on both the left and right, the general public which in large part has been conditioned to respond to ad campaigns thier whole lives can be convinced of almost anything. The most recent example is the "election to prez of an individual who had not administered any thing in his life other than signing up more people to collect govt. benefits. Never ran a business ,a town,a city , a state , a military unit, a fire dept. Never was commander of anything, yet through skillful manipulation and tons of advertising money ,convinced voters that he was qualified for the job. Meanwhile the bickering between people is about second and third tier problems while systemic ,critical issues go unaddressed even unexamined. Whipping up class warfare upon his to get votes works because voters can be used that way. U.S. policy has changed not a bit since G. Bush Jr. Foreign entanglements create more enemies for America and as one more failed intervention winds down ,several more are being openly considerd. Romney ,if elected will be no different and manipulates his bunch of sheep with other issues. Wake up get off the WallStreet plantation regardless of what the overseer man looks like.

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> Why don't you give it a rest and get the nutz
> outta your mouth Tea Bagger.


So you can't answer the question. Big surprise there. Your mature responses are indicative of the overall lack of intelligence behind the Kaine campaign, if you can call his operation a campaign.

Care to address the increase in uromysitisis poisoning cases while he was governor?

Let's see what mature and intelligent response you can come up with now. Oh yeah, you won't because you are a whiny little bitch that has been duped by OFA. Are your parents proud that this is what you decided to do with your summer? LOL.

I saw George Allen at the fireworks in South Riding. Nobody was talking to him and he looked like a fish out of water.

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> I saw George Allen at the fireworks in South
> Riding. Nobody was talking to him and he looked
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Really?



Sort of sad that you have to lie. Beware the internet, it'll fact check you lying liberal ass. Not that Democrats care about facts....

Why would a photographer take a picture from that angle?

Probably a WNC member ,they always are in that position . Maybe C-Rusty the Clown finally got a job as photographer for "The Manhole " bar and grill. By the way ,I googled "circus tents -used "and found some appropriate housing alternatives for the clown to live in . Does anyone have contact info. for the gypsies in Vienna? I heard that they are using pickup trucks now so there should be some good used circus wagons available cheap which could provide both housing and transport for a circus act like HALL. Deceptive business practices would form a bond of brotherhood between HALL and Gypsies . Cant we all just get along?

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You would have to ask the Washington Post.

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> You would have to ask the Washington Post.

Washington Post reporters are usually on their knees. It's natural for them.

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> also, seeing fat old guys who've never seen a day
> of hard work in their lives wearing cowboy hats is
> about as retarded as seeing mitt romney driving
> around in a pickup truck.

Bentley makes a pickup truck?

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> George Allen around at campaign events.
> Funny how every time I see a post about "Macaca"
> it never seems to include that ittle tidbit.
> Wonder why?

Nothing wrong with that. The opposition does it all the time. Usually the candidates aren't so stupid to use a racial slur on camera.

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Love it.

^^Hooray for Boobies "Bentley makes a pickup truck?" Best Funny comeback post today! Snot came out my nose.
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Then post again as Hooray for Boobies

What amazes me is the focus on that word. Okay, great, not a good moment. Yet, when it comes to government, do you want less or more? If you want more, vote for Kaine.

Allen never should have apologized for insulting that sneaky slimy gutless democrat punk.

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yeah........just the sort of man I want leading me - someone who is too weak to even offer an apology..............

edit - maybe Allen can take back the apology he issued to get yr Klan to vote for him



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"Allen never should have apologized for insulting that sneaky slimy gutless democrat punk."

+1

Agreed. The cowardly little macaca deserved to be called out for the despicable sneaky sniveling little coward he is.

Not according to Allen in this press interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfP3vj8Gl8&feature=related

George Allen is a lying coward!

It is funny how that gutless lying chickenshit macac acted all offended. Allen should drape the Confederate Flag around himself and openly tell that little prik he is a useless worm

@BelowMe - but that's the truth - you know the Allen supporters (not all of them - just the ignorant, scummy ones like Doke, Stats, and Redok up there) are not capable of believing such a thing - the conspiracy paranoia and the meth have worn away at the grey matter a bit, y'know?

The Macaca tape shows George Allen is a human and a bigot who made a mistake.
Not okay but we can deal with that.

The interview tape about the Macaca incident shows George Allen is a lying, quibbling, desperate worm - unworthy of ever holding a position of trust in Government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfP3vj8Gl8&feature=related

That George Allen the Koch Whore even thinks he is worthy of holding office again is scary.
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You pathetic libs really think posting lies here repeatedly is going to improve the chances of your braindead loser Timmy Kaine? Hahaha!

FACE!!!

He promised to put me to work, no way I am voting for a guy like that. give me my Lamb Center and EBT
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