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can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TwoCanes ()
Date: April 09, 2008 11:56AM

can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?

thanks! :)

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: .... ()
Date: April 09, 2008 12:41PM

no

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: April 09, 2008 12:46PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 03:18PM by inkahootz.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 09, 2008 12:52PM

LOL yeah srsly... get fired and a felony kidnapping charge all in one day.



inkahootz Wrote:
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> What a moron! Sure, call ICE about your employer
> and take the illegals he employs down to the
> police station. Fucking idiot!

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: JJ ()
Date: April 09, 2008 12:54PM

Remember...They have constitutional rights too. Jails have a hard enough time getting ICE to come get them.

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: April 09, 2008 12:58PM

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: April 09, 2008 01:00PM

JJ Wrote:
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> Remember...They have constitutional rights too.


the constitution applies to US citizens.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: April 09, 2008 01:09PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> JJ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Remember...They have constitutional rights too.
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> the constitution applies to US citizens.


Read Fifth Amendment of the Constitution...

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

Nope. I don't see "citizen" there anywhere.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 09, 2008 01:11PM

Gravis Wrote:
> the constitution applies to US citizens.

Not true. The legal reality is that some parts of it do apply to non-citizens, and some parts of it do not.

Example: a foreign visitor cannot have his hotel room searched without a warrant. The fourth amendment still protects him even though he is not a citizen.

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: April 09, 2008 01:32PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 03:21PM by inkahootz.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Social Disobedience ()
Date: April 09, 2008 01:59PM

I had to test this first-hand...

During my lunch break, this afternoon, I went to Amphoras Diner (off Elden, in Herdon). As many of you know, within this area, lurk many illegal aliens, looking for a day's work from landscapers, people moving heavy furniture, contractors, et al.

I drive a new Toyota Tundra with an extended bed and crew cab. I pulled up to a local "hot spot" and put my truck in park.

"I need TEN painters" -- and motioned with my hand a paint brush moving back and forth. I was bombarded my Hispanics. I put the car in drive and crept along as they hopped in the back. When I counted ten, in the bed of the truck, I accelerated, leaving many behind, still running.

I opened the rear window -- "Gracias, Gracias -- we're going to paint".

Little did they know I was taking them STRAIGHT to the county. I had a suspicion that at least 9 of these fellows were illegal residents within the United States that did not possess the appropriate paperwork or work visas.

Approaching the county office, I could see a bit of confusion and surprise in the back of the truck -- some of them knew where we were headed. A couple bailed out of the back of my moving pickup. I must have been going about 40MPH. They rolled onto the concrete, and into the grass. I could not see much more than that while still trying to keep my eyes on the road.

I finally arrived.

There were only 4 left in the back of the truck. I opened my door and ran to the rear of the vehicle. They now knew what was going on. They tried to flee. I grabbed two of them by the collars of their shirts and wrestled them viciously to the ground. I am not a large man, but possess the heart of a lion and strength of one thousand men when it comes to protecting my country -- which I will do, with no fear, and no regret.

By this time I had attracted the attention of a sheriff's deputy who came rushing to the scene.

"What is going on here?" he said

"just making a little drop-off here, sir" I said. Visibly shaken and very short on breath. I sat on the ground, still holding these two, as they squirmed, and cursed in broken English.

The three of us were escorted into the facility. I was led to a separate room. And yes, as you can imagine, given a stern "talking to". But the fate of these other two illegal immigrants I can only imagine. I wouldn't be surprised if they are already on their way back to El Salvador...

I was released after making promises to several county officials. I told them I would not repeat the actions of today. And I probably will not.

So, it appears there is still somewhat of a "gray area" concerning this issue...

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: JJ ()
Date: April 09, 2008 04:51PM

Unfortunately Gravis they apply to illegals too.

As far as Bill of Rights:

I'm pretty sure they have proved they have their 1st amendment with the protests in California.

2nd - they shouldnt have any problem buying a gun if they have a valid ID and no Domestic Violence or felony convictions.

3rd - no soldiers allowed in their house, not sure who would want to live with them.

4th - definitely still applies.

5th - ditto.

6th and 7th - of course they have right to jury trial and civil trial respectively.

8th - Yep, not allowed to be treated cruel or unusual.

9th and 10th - may need help translating this, so do they though

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 09, 2008 05:01PM

JJ Wrote:
>> Unfortunately Gravis they apply to illegals too.


How is that unfortunate? We're a free country and it's good for business. You think our economy would be better off if travelling businessmen from other countries had to be afraid that they could be jailed in the US without any form of due process? You think we'd bring in more tourist dollars if foreign travellers had to fear the U.S. govt?

Seriously, use you head. The main reason we've been so successful throughout history is because we value things like freedom and equality.

Our forefathers had it right. Unfortunately, a lot of "Americans" nowadays do not.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: April 09, 2008 05:03PM

TwoCanes Wrote:
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> can we make legal citizen's arrest and take
> illegals to ICE or the police?
>
> thanks! :)


Yes. Be sure to video tape it and put the results up on YouTube. I'm sure we would all like to see the results.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Margie ()
Date: April 09, 2008 06:21PM

He's back!!!!

Social Disobedience was formerly known as Expensive Jeans



Social Disobedience Wrote:
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I opened my door and ran to the rear of the vehicle. They now knew what was going on. They tried to flee. I grabbed two of them by the collars of their shirts and wrestled them viciously to the ground. I am not a large man, but possess the heart of a lion and strength of one thousand men when it comes to protecting my country -- which I will do, with no fear, and no regret.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 09, 2008 06:46PM

First, Illegal immigration is a Federal issue...Take them to the closest Federal facility - Montgomery PA and Petersburg VA come to mind. There are several in West VA. Happy driving.

Second, Citizens Arrest is tricky/non-existent/more trouble than its worth.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TwoCanes ()
Date: April 09, 2008 08:25PM

what if I wake up in the middle of the night and find two men trying to rob my
house? assuming my friends and I were able to fight them and tie them up,
do we call 911 or do we call ICE?

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 09, 2008 09:31PM

inkahootz Wrote:
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> Meep is right. Non citizens and minors do have
> limited rights under the constitution.


yeah - the cant run for congress or the Presidency. Pretty much everything else applies.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 09, 2008 10:20PM

TwoCanes Wrote:
>> do we call 911 or do we call ICE?

Of course you call the police.

Even if you had the time to confirm the citizenship status of your attackers (which is an absurd scenario), call 9-1-1.

You're using ridiculous examples on purpose. ICE are not EMS responders, and you know that.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 09, 2008 11:38PM

TwoCanes Wrote:
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> what if I wake up in the middle of the night and
> find two men trying to rob my
> house? assuming my friends and I were able to
> fight them and tie them up,
> do we call 911 or do we call ICE?


But before you call 911, please be sure to ask the intruders for a drivers license, passport, SS card and birth certificate - I am sure they cary these with them.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Mason Dixon ()
Date: April 10, 2008 01:06AM

Every time I read a post that shines a poor light on the pice of shit hispanics in this county, state and country, there is always a response that includes the phrase "redneck". Guess the fuck what....this is VIRGINIA. You don't live in NY or CA. You live in Virginia. Other people in the country don't care if your from "northern" VA or not, you are still a redneck from VIRGINIA. So enough with the redneck stuff because guess what yuppie....the rest of the country thinks you are too!!!!

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: April 10, 2008 05:49AM

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Joey ()
Date: April 10, 2008 10:28AM

I am transplant from California and i hate redneck hicks. Oh god i hate those people.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Native Virginian ()
Date: April 10, 2008 01:18PM

If you don't like the people here, move your sorry ass back to California!!!!!

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: April 10, 2008 04:24PM

Social Disobedience Wrote:
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> ground. I am not a large man, but possess the
> heart of a lion and strength of one thousand men
> when it comes to protecting my country -- which I
> will do, with no fear, and no regret.
>


I hope this was just a fabrication. If it isn't, you take the trophy for BIGGEST DOUCHEBAG in FFX. Are you serious? "protecting" our country? From whom? From what? If you feel that invincible, let me call you Lionheart from now on, why don't you do us all a favor and join the military? Go find Bin Laden. But, you're probably the same guy that is a "tough guy" against people that are inferior to you, and by "inferior" I don't mean intelligence, but their standing in society. Pricks like you still make people think that NoVa is the South. Wow, just wow.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: 70chip ()
Date: April 10, 2008 05:10PM

Listen here, NoVA is the south you queer lovin' Yankee. We are well below the mason dixon and a faggots throw from Richmond. So why don't you get in your dinkie jap trap, fill it up with rice, and take a Harriet Tubman trek up north to that mongrel mess up north you call home.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: April 10, 2008 11:04PM

The District of Columbia and states such as Virginia and Louisiana limit citizen's arrests to felony-level crimes only

source: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/termsofart_marsh_julaug04.msp

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Mason Dixon ()
Date: April 11, 2008 01:43AM

With all do respect inkahootz, guess what......you are a redneck too!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You live in Virginia right? So by default, you are a big dumb stupid redneck like the rest of us. I love the term "northern VA". It makes me giggle like a Californian. I win. I love this forum and everybody's opinion on everything. BTW, RESton Pease is correct. The District of Columbia and states such as Virginia and Louisiana do limit citizen's arrests to felony-level crimes only. Good thing being in this country illegally is a federal offense. Just sayn.......No offense.

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Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: April 11, 2008 02:47AM

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: April 11, 2008 08:02AM

Mason Dixon Wrote:
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BTW, RESton
> Pease is correct. The District of Columbia and
> states such as Virginia and Louisiana do limit
> citizen's arrests to felony-level crimes only.

When I said earlier that "Citizens Arrest is tricky/non-existent/more trouble than its worth." I expected to get a lot of inane comments. Thank you all for validating my point in a clear and logical manner.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Boris ()
Date: April 11, 2008 06:58PM

if someone is illegal here, where does he go to turn himself in?

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: mr cool ()
Date: April 12, 2008 10:11PM

to turn in yourself just call 911 and say that ur illegal and dont worry about tying up the line

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: Mason Dixon ()
Date: April 13, 2008 01:04AM

INKAHOOTZ, you are clearly a redneck. Just embrace it. Love it. Cherish it. As far arresting illegals goes, it's just easier to shoot them. It doesn't count because they arn't supposed to be here anyway right? Why can't the US just freakin buy Mexico and bingo bango, problem solved!

P.S. inkahootz is a redneck.

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Re: can we make legal citizen's arrest and take illegals to ICE or the police?
Posted by: ICE melt. ()
Date: August 25, 2020 04:48PM

go for it and see what happens.

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