oh that's just GREAT logic there, ding - hey cops! If a criminal commits a crime, Ding feels you really just need to get out of their way......................
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Tyrone Shoelaces Wrote:
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> Sometimes people make a dumb mistake that may cost
> them their life. It is unfair to blame the cop in
> this situation. Dude didn't plan on getting shot
> but it happened and he was in the wrong, don't
> blame the cop. That's unfair. It was not the
> fault of the cop or the kid, but he played on the
> wrong side at the wrong time with the wrong
> friends. Don't over think this one and don't
> blame the cops.

Its kind a hard not to blame a cop for shooting a kid over skipping out on paying for some pancakes. Take down their license plate and put them in jail for a month maybe but killing them seems like a bit much. He didn't HAVE to step out in front of the car, in fact its kind of stupid.

With taht said, they should lock up the driver for 5 or 10 years.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> oh that's just GREAT logic there, ding - hey cops!
> If a criminal commits a crime, Ding feels you
> really just need to get out of their
> way......................


You REALLY shouldn't respond to posts if your comprehension is that terrible. I said none of that.

You seem to be advocating the use of police officers as barriers... The police department doesn't even allow them to do this anymore, dumbshit.

same diff Wrote:
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> justice4kid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For a simple misdemeanor of
> > running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to
> getting
> > shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.
>
>
> Skipping out on an IHOP bill is in fact a
> misdemeanor. Attempting to run over anyone,
> police officer or not, is a felony. The question
> is not would the long hair freak got shot had he
> not run out on a bill, but would the grease ball
> have been shot had he not been riding in his loser
> friends car that was running down a cop. See the
> difference?


So I assume that the driver went to jail for attempted murder because so far we have established as fact that the cop shot the kid in the back seat to death and thats ok because the driver was trying to kill the cop and we are sure of that because teh driver is in jail for attempted murder right?

Right?

Ding an sich Wrote:
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> He stole some food, and tried to speed off. The
> car was ALREADY MOVING when the dumbshit cop
> placed himself in front of it. Go study momementum
> and reaction-time. Cars don't automatically stop
> as soon as an obstruction appears.

What ruins your rather poorly crafted argument to excuse the driver's actions is the fact that eye-witness reports as well as physical evidence at the scene prove that it's NOT that the driver "couldn't stop in time". It's been proven that he NEVER EVEN TRIED.

He not only DID NOT TRY TO HIT THE BRAKES with a Cop standing in front of his vehicle, HE ACCELERATED AT THE COP. What part of this is difficult for you to grasp?

I know that you'd prefer to believe that the tragic driver simply couldn't stop the car in time because the evil Officer "jumped out in front of him" when it was too late to bring the vehicle to a complete halt. That doesn't excuse NOT at least TRYING to stop the car. It doesn't excuse ACCELERATING YOUR RATE OF SPEED toward the Cop, and it certainly doesn't excuse SWERVING TOWARD THE OFFICER with your vehicle.

One of the people IN the car stated that she screamed out, "Oh my GOD! You're going to KILL that Cop. STOP!"

When you consider the lack of brakeing, the descision to actually accelerate, the act of "aiming" at the Cop, and enough time elapsing for a passenger inside the car to see what was happening, evaluate the situation, and call out for the driver to "STOP THE CAR, it doesn't seem like quite the innocent, "split second" situation that you would like to pretend it was.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2012 06:35PM by Taylor.

So, tell me then, WAS the driver charged with attempted manslaugher? Because according to you, he should have been.

And how does this have any bearing on whether the cop was wrong to discharge his weapon? He didn't even hit the driver. Likewise, the driver never hit the cop.
Cops are supposed to follow protocol. Standing in front of a moving vehicle is stupid regardless of your occupation.

Taylor Wrote:
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> Ding an sich Wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------
> > He stole some food, and tried to speed off. The
> > car was ALREADY MOVING when the dumbshit cop
> > placed himself in front of it. Go study
> momementum
> > and reaction-time. Cars don't automatically
> stop
> > as soon as an obstruction appears.
>
> What ruins your rather poorly crafted argument to
> excuse the driver's actions is the fact that
> eye-witness reports as well as physical evidence
> at the scene prove that it's NOT that the driver
> "couldn't stop in time". It's been proven that he
> NEVER EVEN TRIED.
>
> He not only DID NOT TRY TO HIT THE BRAKES with a
> Cop standing in front of his vehicle, HE
> ACCELERATED AT THE COP. What part of this is
> difficult for you to grasp?
>
> I know that you'd prefer to believe that the
> tragic driver simply couldn't stop the car in time
> because the evil Officer "jumped out in front of
> him" when it was too late to bring the vehicle to
> a complete halt. That doesn't excuse NOT at least
> TRYING to stop the car. It doesn't excuse
> ACCELERATING YOUR RATE OF SPEED toward the Cop,
> and it certainly doesn't excuse SWERVING TOWARD
> THE OFFICER with your vehicle.
>
> One of the people IN the car stated that she
> screamed out, "Oh my GOD! You're going to KILL
> that Cop. STOP!"
>
> When you consider the lack of brakeing, the
> descision to actually accelerate, the act of
> "aiming" at the Cop, and enough time elapsing for
> a passenger inside the car to see what was
> happening, evaluate the situation, and call out
> for the driver to "STOP THE CAR, it doesn't seem
> like quite the innocent, "split second" situation
> that you would like to pretend it was.

@ Gonads & Strife:

Lol, that rocks. ;)

Lets get back to basics here.

Why did the cop follow the kids out of the IHOP and stand in front of the Jeep (breaking the rules of his contract with IHOP and in violation of Police S.O.P.)? He is working for IHOP as a security precense only according to the contract he had with IHOP (can be read on one of the previous links).

Why did he block the exit by standing in the middle of the parking lot? When he saw the Jeep coming towards him why didnt he simply get out of the way?

Remember he was diciplined by the Alexandria Police to the highest degree short of being fired, for poor judgement in elevating the situation instead of diffusing the situation.

justice4kid Wrote:
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>
> Remember he was diciplined by the Alexandria
> Police to the highest degree short of being fired,
> for poor judgement in elevating the situation
> instead of diffusing the situation.


How many times are you going to say this? It was a PR move nothing more. If the department thinks you actually screwed up shooting and killing someone you get fired end of story.

Pancakes and booze? Crazy combo.

Why do the men in blue need to moonlight at IHOP?

hmm Wrote:
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> Why do the men in blue need to moonlight at IHOP?


This has always felt a little creepy to me - a private business being able to hire a cop in uniform off duty. First saw this in Texas about 20 yrs ago. Doesn't seem like law enforcement should be for sale in that way. If you want security, hire a private security guard, but your financial relationship with an off duty cop should have nothing to do with his interaction with me as a regular citizen - on duty or off.

justice4kid Wrote:
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> Lets get back to basics here.
>
> Why did the cop follow the kids out of the IHOP
> and stand in front of the Jeep (breaking the rules
> of his contract with IHOP and in violation of
> Police S.O.P.)? He is working for IHOP as a
> security precense only according to the contract
> he had with IHOP (can be read on one of the
> previous links).
>
> Why did he block the exit by standing in the
> middle of the parking lot? When he saw the Jeep
> coming towards him why didnt he simply get out of
> the way?
>
> Remember he was diciplined by the Alexandria
> Police to the highest degree short of being fired,
> for poor judgement in elevating the situation
> instead of diffusing the situation.


Ok, let's get back to basics here:

Why these damn kids even THINK to wanna steal from IHOP? Who the hell goes into a restaurant without wanting to pay for the services they get? I mean how they hell do you even think that way? Where they raised by wolverines or something?

Why'd they just not pay the bill? I mean they musta had enough cash on them if they drove up in a Jeep? And heck, if they didnt have enough cash, why not just go to one of their homes and make the pancakes?

Why'd they think someone wouldnt be pissed off they were being thieves?
I mean you must be raised to be QUITE an entitled little fuck if you think something like that should slide or whatnot. Heck, why'd would they even WANT to be a thief?

Remember, the cop was NOT fired even though he had poor judgement. Meaning he may have made a mistake, but nothing that was not seen as understandable given the circumstances.

oh puh-lease Wrote:

> This has always felt a little creepy to me - a
> private business being able to hire a cop in
> uniform off duty. First saw this in Texas about
> 20 yrs ago. Doesn't seem like law enforcement
> should be for sale in that way. If you want
> security, hire a private security guard, but your
> financial relationship with an off duty cop should
> have nothing to do with his interaction with me as
> a regular citizen - on duty or off.


Its a way for the cops to make extra money with overtime, and the departments would rather have their guys doing armed security if a place wants it then have guys that may or may not be properly trained to do the job since they know who they hired.

For what its worth the cops almost always dont get directly paid for it. The department gets paid and then gives the cop a percentage of it

All that over time stuff is done through the cop's union, or association in VA.

The cop received the most serious form of discipline short of termination, and later resigned.

Alexandria paid the dead kid's estate over $1,000,000 to settle their claim, from
taxpayer money, not insurance.

Each of the other young people in the car received settlements of undisclosed amounts, reportedly enough to pay their college tuitions.

The charges against the driver were dropped.

The FBI harshly criticized both the officer and Alexandria Police Department procedures and training. Wrongful death and civil rights violation investigations were dropped as part of the settlement.

Legal action by Alexandria against IHOP was dismissed, then appealed and dismissed again.

It's over. Can we move on?

Da Judge Wrote:
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> The cop received the most serious form of
> discipline short of termination, and later
> resigned.
>
> Alexandria paid the dead kid's estate over
> $1,000,000 to settle their claim, from
> taxpayer money, not insurance.
>
> Each of the other young people in the car received
> settlements of undisclosed amounts, reportedly
> enough to pay their college tuitions.
>
> The charges against the driver were dropped.
>
> The FBI harshly criticized both the officer and
> Alexandria Police Department procedures and
> training. Wrongful death and civil rights
> violation investigations were dropped as part of
> the settlement.
>
> Legal action by Alexandria against IHOP was
> dismissed, then appealed and dismissed again.
>
> It's over. Can we move on?

I hope this is true and Officer Stowe is no longer a Police Officer. Has he ever apologized to the family for shooting and killing their son? Has he ever even acknowledged that he made a mistake in elevating the situation to the point that Aaron Brown was killed by his hand?

These other cops like Pathetic, cannot get past the fact that a kid walked out on a $26 dollar bill, something akin to shoplifting or a speeding ticket (like 5 miles over) and Stowe (assuming he is no longer a Police Officer) HAD to right this terrible wrong; that it was his duty to STOP these kids. BUT the truth is he was not supposed to follow the kids, HE broke the rules! HE elevated the situation to the horrible conclusion. HE SHOOT AND KILLED A KID OVER A $26 dollar IHOP bill. I can get over it when these other police officers acknowledge that Stowe fucked up and killed a kid for literally $26.

Watch some of the youtube links of other cops shooting people and imagine if there was video of this incident and how damning it would be. Shit they punished him anyway and as the above information tells us they got slapped around by every investigating agency that looked at it. Stowe fucked up and didnt follow the rules, Aaron Brown was killed because of it. The police admitted it, paid off the victims and changed their policy.

The Police are never going to apologize for their actions because they didn't do anything wrong. Kind of like how the driver is never going to apologize to the Cop or to his family for attempting to kill him.

If an apology is what you need in order for you to "get over it", then be prepared to live the rest of your life with unresolved issues. No one is going to apologize.

Most of us don't think the Officer did anything wrong. Some of us are glad that the Officer made a stand against thievery, assault, and attempted murder. Most of us are tired of the entitled, "I'm all that matters", attitude of punk-ass, selfish, people today. We're especially tired of spoiled youth who weren't raised to have any concept that the World extends past their own self-centered needs and thoughts, kids that don't take ANYONE else's feelings into consideration or accept any personal responsibility. They didn't consider the poor waiter they stole from, they didn't consider the innocent passerby that they could have struck, they didn't consider the health/safety of the Officer doing his job, and they didn't consider the welfare of their own group when they forced the Officer to defend himself.

No one cares about these punks. They initiated it. They caused it. They asked for it. They got what they were asking for.

Now you have to learn to live with it. The Cop has continued on with his life, so should you.......... If you have too much trouble dealing with the concept, go try to run down a Cop....... You won't have to deal with it for much longer after that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2012 03:01PM by Taylor.

Aaron Brown would be alive if he had just paid his damn bill AND not try to run over an off duty police office. Stop feeling like you're entitled to do what ever the hell you want without consequences.

... Wrote:
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> "Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer Stowe
> had followed his police department's rules," the
> family announced in a statement through their
> attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker
> has announced a new policy...we hope this prevents
> other needless deaths."
>
>
> How about Aaron would not have died if he has paid
> for his meal as does everyone else. This is why
> youth is out of hands nowadays, parents find
> excuses to justify actions that are simply
> unacceptable.

His parents didnt justify anything, a slimbag lawyer did that for them, they are out spending your millions of tax dollars.

shopping spree Wrote:
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> His parents didnt justify anything, a slimbag
> lawyer did that for them, they are out spending
> your millions of tax dollars.

+1
that's hilarious - they get to steal from us as well LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> shopping spree Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > His parents didnt justify anything, a slimbag
> > lawyer did that for them, they are out
> spending
> > your millions of tax dollars.
>
> +1
> that's hilarious - they get to steal from us as
> well LoLz

Sure, why not? They raised Aaron and and he behaved in the way that they taught him was acceptable. They obviously didn't teach Aaron not to steal from others. Why should they act any differently about stealing from the rest of us than Aaron did?

Don't worry about them, though. As long as they don't try to kill a Police officer they should be OK.

Taylor Wrote:
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> The Police are never going to apologize for their
> actions because they didn't do anything wrong.

The police don't have to apologize. Paying the victim's family $1.1 MILLION speaks louder than any words they could say.

Sounds like a 70s song.... A million dollars means never having to say you're sorry.

Oh yeah, the cop is no longer working in law enforcement. No apology needed.

And Alexandria trying to get money from IHOP and being laughed out of court. No apology needed there.

Nope, once the money was paid, no one needs to apologize.

Dash N Dine is not a cool thing to do.

You cannot put a price on a childs life. He made a mistake. The cop made a mistake.

How about we call it a draw. Nodbody one.

We should gun down j-walkers as well.

Aaron Brown will forever be remembered.


Officer Carl Frederick Stowe Jr. Where are you now? Google and Facebook can't find you.

Aaron Brown will forever be remembered as the douche who got himself killed over some pancakes.

Officer Carl Frederick Stowe Jr. is still living and probably enjoying a large stack right now.

agreed

Bob Dole

really??????? Wrote:
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> You cannot put a price on a childs life. He made a
> mistake.

The 18 year old MAN committed multiple crimes - theft, assault with a deadly weapon (the Jeep), DWI, drug possession. Those are not mistakes - they are crimes. If he were black and from DC you'd say lock him up and throw away the key. Since he's white from the burb's he's a 'child' who made a 'mistake'.

That "child" could have killed ME, while I was on my way home, all full of waffles that I paid for.

Fuck that child.

Ding an sich Wrote:
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> We should gun down j-walkers as well.


Only the ones who try to veer towards police officers and walk over them while smelling of stolen pancakes.

The amazing part of this whole thread is the people who want to excuse everyone for everything they did or will ever do, except the police officer trying to uphold the law.

Lets say the cops are ALWAYS wrong , and will never hesitate to use deadly force.

All the more reason to avoid them.

Avoiding the police as a lifestyle includes doing things such as paying for your waffles.

If you want to be a gangster, just remember you may get shot. If you get blown away by a cop or another gangster,if you're justified or not, you're just as dead.

It's amazing Wrote:
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> The amazing part of this whole thread is the
> people who want to excuse everyone for everything
> they did or will ever do, except the police
> officer trying to uphold the law.


+1

It really is amazing. I've never understood these types that come up with every excuse in the book for why the person at fault for criminal behavior should be excused, and why the person who is trying to enforce the law and protect the rest of us should be blamed.

It must be some kind of mental disorder.

It's a disease called Liberalism. Never accept responsibility for anything!

It's amazing Wrote:
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> Ding an sich Wrote:
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> -----
> > We should gun down j-walkers as well.
>
>
> Only the ones who try to veer towards police
> officers and walk over them while smelling of
> stolen pancakes.
>
LOL!

The cops tried to blame the kid. They lost that one to the tune of $1.1 Million.

Then they tried to blame IHOP. Lost that one in court also.

In the end, the cops had to pay real money, and change their procedures and training. The Kid? Well, he's still dead, so we'll never know whether he considered hopping in the back seat of that car was worth it in retrospect.

Wow- more incredible posts. I'm starting to think maybe they don't need massive election fraud. They've succeeded in making Americans so stupid they don't need to any more. I'd suggest all the posters on this thread who have inexplicably defended the Barney Fife on roids cop in this case take a long look at the classic flim, "Idiocracy." The message isn't subtle- even some of you should understand it.

Hey, maybe we ought to have the death penalty for those who dine and dash. That would stop it, right? And let's allow cops to barge into our houses at any time, without a warrant. You don't got nothin' to hide, do ya, so why not? In many Third World countries, they cut off the hands of thieves- why not here? That would stop robberies, wouldn't it?

It's sad enough that we now live in a police state. What is even sadder is that the majority of people seem to love it.

Yes, Americans are incredibly stupid. The fact that Obama is prez is living proof of that.

unreals Wrote:
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> Wow- more incredible posts. I'm starting to think
> maybe they don't need massive election fraud.
> They've succeeded in making Americans so stupid
> they don't need to any more. I'd suggest all the
> posters on this thread who have inexplicably
> defended the Barney Fife on roids cop in this case
> take a long look at the classic flim, "Idiocracy."
> The message isn't subtle- even some of you should
> understand it.
>
> Hey, maybe we ought to have the death penalty for
> those who dine and dash. That would stop it,
> right? And let's allow cops to barge into our
> houses at any time, without a warrant. You don't
> got nothin' to hide, do ya, so why not? In many
> Third World countries, they cut off the hands of
> thieves- why not here? That would stop robberies,
> wouldn't it?
>
> It's sad enough that we now live in a police
> state. What is even sadder is that the majority of
> people seem to love it.


What an arrogant ass you portray yourself as . Anyone who doesn't agree with you is now stupid. You throw the term "Police State" around very loosely. Im a middle aged American whose only contact with the police is when I dial 911 and need help. If you obey the laws, none of which are a secret or too unreasonable, you have less that a tenth of one percent chance of even having to speak to a police officer during your lifetime. If you chose to ignore the laws we have, or live your life irresponsibly than you get what you get. Perhaps you should travel to South or Central America to help revise your picture of what a ral police state is. In any profession mistakes can be made, I'm not sure that one was made here, I wasnt there, were you? You dont sell the car because you got a flat tire, your views of the way things are in our country would believe me to believe you need to get out more or find another place to live.

unreals Wrote:
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> Wow- more incredible posts. I'm starting to think
> maybe they don't need massive election fraud.
> They've succeeded in making Americans so stupid
> they don't need to any more. I'd suggest all the
> posters on this thread who have inexplicably
> defended the Barney Fife on roids cop in this case
> take a long look at the classic flim, "Idiocracy."
> The message isn't subtle- even some of you should
> understand it.
>
> Hey, maybe we ought to have the death penalty for
> those who dine and dash. That would stop it,
> right? And let's allow cops to barge into our
> houses at any time, without a warrant. You don't
> got nothin' to hide, do ya, so why not? In many
> Third World countries, they cut off the hands of
> thieves- why not here? That would stop robberies,
> wouldn't it?
>
> It's sad enough that we now live in a police
> state. What is even sadder is that the majority of
> people seem to love it.


So we go from shooting a dine and dash thief who tried to run from the cops to the police barging into our homes without a warrent... Thats a nice stretch unreals. Way to obscure the facts.

IF you break the law and are stupid enough to try to run, it most likely will not end up well for you. That is common sense.

IF you pay for your meal and drive home you will most likely live to see another day of honest living.

IF someone stole from you or broke into your house. YOU would be the first one dialing 911 demanding help from the "police state" you despise so much.

For your sake I hope the "police" show up and try to help you despite your scorn for them.

I am about as far away from being a troublemaker as someone can be. Still, I have managed to have unpleasant encounters with cops. Years ago, I was leaving for work, entering my car in front of my townhouse, and I'd placed a bag of trash on top of the car, as the pickup location was about fifty yards away, directly on the way out. People in our community routinely did this, as a way to save a few moments.

This cop, who was there to check on the teenager next door's latest escapade, pulled in front of my car, jumped out and started screaming at me, "What the hell do you think you're doing?" He would not listen to an explanation, and was anything but reasonable. He ordered me, again shouting, to "get that bag off your car NOW!" Public servant, harrassing homeowner, on his property, for an idiotic, superficial reason.

Another time, I was in court helping out a family member with special needs, who had been assaulted. EVeryone in the court became restless after the judge finally appeared, rustled some papers for about five minutes, then disappeared again. After about thirty more minutes, I politely asked the armed officer standing near the door if he knew what happened to the judge. "He's on break," he told me. I very gently replied that he had only been there for a few minutes, and no work had proceeded. He put his hand on his gun and said, "Get back to your seat." Again, a supposed public servant, who was on a power trip and defending yet another incompetent public servant who was clearly goofing off and not doing his job.

Again, I've never been a troublemaker and have learned not to talk back to copes. I've been given a ticket for an illegal u-turn while attending an Easter Sunrise service in an unfamiliar city, with no clear directions about parking. As a youngster, I got a speeding ticket for going 33 in a 25 mile zone. Another time, I was going about 15 miles over the speed limit, rushing to the hospital to see my dying mother. I explained this to the cop, who never reacted and made me wait the prerequisite 20 minutes or so while he wasted time "checking" my license and registration, then gave me a ticket.

There are lots of other examples I could provide. Sure, there are some good cops, but most of them are ignorant bullies who've been given way too much power, and are granted carte blanche to abuse peaceful citizens. You will never see a you tube video of a roided out cop taking out his rage on a worthy target, like a member of the Bloods or Crips, or Hell's Angels. They are too busy throwing skinny skater kids to the sidewalk or pulling the elderly out of wheelchairs, or tasering almost anybody, as long as they aren't remotely dangerous. Again, you'll never see them get violent on any kind of gang member. On those occasions, they're hiding in the bushes, eating doughnuts.

Saying that things are worse in other countries is a lame argument. Is that what we want- to be slightly better than Third World dictatorships? I bet you guys used that brilliant slogan, "America- love it or leave it!" It's sad to see that so few Americans now have any regard for their own civil liberties.

I havent seen any decrease in my civil liberties at all, sounds like you are just unlucky, sucks to be you. ps dont believe the whole world is like what you see on Youtube

Ditto. My experiences with cops have been mostly positive, like the officer who let me sit with him in the front of his heated car for 1/2 hour in 20 degree weather while we waited for the locksmith to come and de-ice my car's door lock so I could drive home. Just because you personally have had an inordinate number of bad experiences with cops doesn't mean that's the way the world is.

unreals Wrote:
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> There are lots of other examples I could provide.
> Sure, there are some good cops, but most of them
> are ignorant bullies who've been given way too
> much power, and are granted carte blanche to abuse
> peaceful citizens. You will never see a you tube
> video of a roided out cop taking out his rage on a
> worthy target, like a member of the Bloods or
> Crips, or Hell's Angels. They are too busy
> throwing skinny skater kids to the sidewalk or
> pulling the elderly out of wheelchairs, or
> tasering almost anybody, as long as they aren't
> remotely dangerous. Again, you'll never see them
> get violent on any kind of gang member. On those
> occasions, they're hiding in the bushes, eating
> doughnuts.

I think that as our society grows increasingly violent and selfish, you'll find that MOST people are happy to have Police Officers around to help those of us in need of it. Being a Police Officer is dirty, hard, and demanding work, but most of all it's THANKLESS work. Cops deal with the worst elements of the communities we live in and they do it all day, every day. No one calls the Cops when things are GOOD. Consequently, as an Officer, you are bathed in the worst that society has to offer up. You deal with rapes, murders, assaults, etc. But that's not the hard part. The hard part is trying to deal with the sobbing of a rape victim ringing in your ears. The hard part is trying to forget the tears slowly drying on the cheeks of a little child who has just been beaten to death by his Father, or trying to sleep at night as you keep hearing the plaintive screams of a Mother who has seen her child die in front of her eyes.

All day long you are confronted with the monstrousness of what humanity has to offer. You work a job where the very people you try to protect will cheer and clap when you or one of your fellow Officers is wounded or killed. You are constantly on trial in the court of public opinion. Pompous assholes get to sit comfy and safe in their recliners and hold forth on whether you should have been "allowed" to defend your life. If you go "easy" on someone and they end up hurting someone down the road, you'll be crucified for your leniency. Conversely, if you hold a hard line and refuse to "let it slide", then you'll be labeled an "asshole", "power tripper", or worse.

People with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE in the job will scream about every choice you make. When another human being attempts to attack, injure, or even kill you with a gun, car, 2"x4", crowbar, knife, screwdriver, or other weapon, you'll face a law-suit for defending your life. People will expect you to "shoot them in the leg", or arm, or some other equally difficult spot to hit on a quickly moving target. People have seen the movies. They've watched Sgt. Riggs "draw" a smiley-face on a paper target from 50 yards out and they'll expect you to be equally skilled. (One person actually asked why Cops don't just "shoot the guns out of their hands?")

When ever a person attempts to injure or attack you there are only two outcomes. People will laugh at you if you "let" yourself be injured. They'll use your pain and wounding as proof that Cops "ain't all 'dat", or if the attacker is injured or killed in the attack, they will line up to offer excuses for why the aggressor was innocent or should have been excused for their actions, (the Cop should have known that they were drunk, young, stupid, "kids being kids", emotionally troubled, etc.), and they'll call for you to be prosecuted, jailed, even executed for not letting yourself be killed. Everybody LOVES it if you get hurt. Human nature likes to see those "in charge", brought low.

When you have to interact, people will immediately run you an attitude because they don't LIKE being told what to do. They will assume that you're a power-tripping, "roided up", Cop and they will instinctively fight everything you say. No matter how you try to act toward them, in their retelling of the story it will either become about how rude and abusive you were, or if you were "nice" to them, it will be about how "I sure told that Cop off!".

The very people you risk your safety and the safety of your loved ones for will call you "Pig", "Facist", and "Nazi", and then turn around an hour later and ask you to potentially put your life on the line for them.

Despite all of this, Cops continue to do the job. It's not for the "pay", and it's certainly not for all of the "respect". It's because people need to be protected, whether they "deserve" it or not.

Now a little about you. When you post in a thread like this, spouting off at the mouth about how awful the "Pigs" are, and why you don't agree with them, it rings hollow in every one else's ears because we all KNOW that if you EVER needed help, you'd call the Police in a heart-beat. Sure there are Cops who are jerks, just like in EVERY OTHER job. But try to balance their behavior out with the memory of what they constantly deal with. Maybe even have a little understanding.

You sound like one of those people that likes to enjoy the safety and service that our patriotic men and women in the Military provide you, but you ALSO want to still be able to enjoy the opportunity to spit on them in the street and call them "baby-killers", in some misguided attempt to feel superior about yourself.

Tell you what, if you don't like the way Police Officers act then go become one. You can BE the change that you wish to see. Maybe you can set an example of how a Cop "should" act. My guess is that after a year you'll end up with a LOT more respect for Law Enforcement.

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Well written, but many are called , few are chosen. I doubt a miserable complainer like unreals would have the skills to resolve any stressful situation, after all, HE is the citizen that makes for a long day in policing.

peacemaker Wrote:
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> Well written, but many are called , few are
> chosen. I doubt a miserable complainer like
> unreals would have the skills to resolve any
> stressful situation, after all, HE is the citizen
> that makes for a long day in policing.

+1

Did you notice how in each of his scenarios, he was NEVER at fault for anything? It was always the bad ol' Policeman who jumped on him for no reason when he was just minding his own business.

If his speeding story is true, then I'm sorry for that, but HOW MANY times do you think a Cop has heard the old, "I'm only speeding because my wife, child, friend, relative, significant other is very sick/dying!"? That's about the oldest and lamest excuse in the book. Then people get all surprised and aggravated when an Officer doesn't immediately say, "Oh my GOSH! I'm SO SORRY I pulled you over! I didn't realize someone you know was SICK! PLEASE, go SPEED AWAY AND RESCUE THEM! I won't bother you anymore! Please forgive me for having stopped you." Lol

I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the ignornance being expressed here. After all, this is a web site that features threads devoted to "who is the biggest slut" at various high schools, and grown adults viciously attacking neighbors and members of the community by name.

I have never had to call the police in my life for anything. Period. And even if I did need them, it would unlikely they'd be of any assistance. How could they be? What are the odds any cop would happen to be in my neighborhood if someone broke into my house? Okay, so I call the cops and even if they get there in record time, almost certainly the perps would be gone. So then they'd launch one of their vaunted "investigations," which was best exemplified by the way the D.C. snipers had to call them repeatedly to get them to notice the note they tacked to a tree at one of the crime scenes. Great detective skills they have. Real life is 180 degrees removed from CSI and similar fantasies.

While cops are useless at solving real crimes, and it's logistically unfair to expect them to be anywhere to stop them, they are great at handing out tickets. That's their primary reason for existence- to hassle peaceful, well meaning drivers by hiding behind bushes, setting up speed traps, etc. In all fairness, they are encouraged to do this by management, who emphasize revenue collection over anything else.

I've never committed an act of violence in my life. I've never been in an accident in over 35 years of driving. I respect everyone and treat all others decently. And yet, this occupying army of cops has managed to interact with me far too often over nothing. If none of you are outraged over the trash bag story, again I submit you deserve the police state you've been given. I guess you think I was "wrong" in that situation. And anyone who would make up a story about their mother dying...why would that even enter someone's mind when a cop stops them?

Maybe I just have a knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't know- live in a very wealthy county, always have, and hang around people like me, who have never caused trouble anywhere. As a very young guy, some drunk ex-military officer pulled a gun on me when I was walking out of a party next door. He said he was "intimidated" by me whan I asked what was going on (he and a friend of mine were arguing). He waved that gun at me and told us to leave NOW (kind of like a cop). We went to the local police station, who asked us if we'd been drinking. They had no interest in the guy who pulled the gun on me. Guess I was lucky they didn't arrest us for reporting someone had threatened us.

Law enforcement officers used to be called peace officers. That's what their function should be- keeping the peace and making the real troublemakers in every community behave. Instead, they are tasked with "enforcing" an ever increasing number of unconstitutional and unnecessary draconian laws, and concentrate on "enforcing" them on those citizens who don't represent a threat and will not cause them to put their own lives in danger. It takes a lot more courage to get tough with a dangerous gang member than it does to bully a peaceful citizen.

unreals Wrote:
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> I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the
> ignornance being expressed here. After all, this
> is a web site that features threads devoted to
> "who is the biggest slut" at various high schools,
> and grown adults viciously attacking neighbors and
> members of the community by name.
>
> I have never had to call the police in my life for
> anything. Period. And even if I did need them, it
> would unlikely they'd be of any assistance. How
> could they be? What are the odds any cop would
> happen to be in my neighborhood if someone broke
> into my house? Okay, so I call the cops and even
> if they get there in record time, almost certainly
> the perps would be gone. So then they'd launch one
> of their vaunted "investigations," which was best
> exemplified by the way the D.C. snipers had to
> call them repeatedly to get them to notice the
> note they tacked to a tree at one of the crime
> scenes. Great detective skills they have. Real
> life is 180 degrees removed from CSI and similar
> fantasies.
>
> While cops are useless at solving real crimes, and
> it's logistically unfair to expect them to be
> anywhere to stop them, they are great at handing
> out tickets. That's their primary reason for
> existence- to hassle peaceful, well meaning
> drivers by hiding behind bushes, setting up speed
> traps, etc. In all fairness, they are encouraged
> to do this by management, who emphasize revenue
> collection over anything else.
>
> I've never committed an act of violence in my
> life. I've never been in an accident in over 35
> years of driving. I respect everyone and treat all
> others decently. And yet, this occupying army of
> cops has managed to interact with me far too often
> over nothing. If none of you are outraged over the
> trash bag story, again I submit you deserve the
> police state you've been given. I guess you think
> I was "wrong" in that situation. And anyone who
> would make up a story about their mother
> dying...why would that even enter someone's mind
> when a cop stops them?
>
> Maybe I just have a knack for being in the wrong
> place at the wrong time. Don't know- live in a
> very wealthy county, always have, and hang around
> people like me, who have never caused trouble
> anywhere. As a very young guy, some drunk
> ex-military officer pulled a gun on me when I was
> walking out of a party next door. He said he was
> "intimidated" by me whan I asked what was going on
> (he and a friend of mine were arguing). He waved
> that gun at me and told us to leave NOW (kind of
> like a cop). We went to the local police station,
> who asked us if we'd been drinking. They had no
> interest in the guy who pulled the gun on me.
> Guess I was lucky they didn't arrest us for
> reporting someone had threatened us.
>
> Law enforcement officers used to be called peace
> officers. That's what their function should be-
> keeping the peace and making the real
> troublemakers in every community behave. Instead,
> they are tasked with "enforcing" an ever
> increasing number of unconstitutional and
> unnecessary draconian laws, and concentrate on
> "enforcing" them on those citizens who don't
> represent a threat and will not cause them to put
> their own lives in danger. It takes a lot more
> courage to get tough with a dangerous gang member
> than it does to bully a peaceful citizen.

How does the Officer know that you're a "peaceful citizen"? Does he know you personally? Is he just supposed to realize it from the way you dress?

You're quite the arm-chair quarterback. You've stated that Cops are "useless" at solving crimes. You've referred to them as cowards, and expressed your opinion that they could never be of assistance in the event of a crime. Yet despite your obvious distaste for Officers of the Law, you expect us to believe that in every one of your stories you were polite, well mannered, and pleasant, and that the Cop was rude to you for NO REASON. What a laugh.

By your OWN WORDS, you approached an Officer INSIDE A COURTROOM and proceeded to lecture him about how long the Judge was taking and how things weren't flowing along at the pace that YOU thought they should be! Then you act all aggrieved by the Cop's response to you. As if he should have said, "You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Mr. Citizen. I'm going to go give that Judge a stern lecture about wasting your valuable time. Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention!"

The funniest part of what you wrote is that you deride and criticize this board and its posters for "attacking members of the community", when you're here attacking those men and women who risk their lives to protect the community.

I'm glad that you've never had to call the Police and I hope you never do. But the fact is that if you did need them, even if I showed them what you wrote about them and how you express your disdain for them, they would STILL come and put their safety on the line for you anyway. That's the kind of people they are, and hat gives them 10 times the personal character you'll ever have.

Risk their lives? What a laugh! A few years ago, Fairfax County went into shock when the FIRST police officers in the history of the county were killed on duty. Fairfax County is not a dangerous area. Yes, cops in areas like southeast D.C. or PG county deal with the dregs of community and their lives are most definitely in danger simply by working there. That's simply not the case here. I am like most people in this county- not confrontational and not prone to violent or antisocial behavior. The cops have nothing to fear from people like me.

I did not "lecture" the cop in the courtroom. I politely asked him if he knew what happened to the judge. The guy disappeared after five minutes! Everyone in the court was curious (and getting frustrated). Because I questioned one guy who works for ME about where another guy who works for ME was (since he clearly didn't appear to be doing his job), his response should be to pat his gun in a threatening manner? Odds are you would support his right to shoot a big mouth like me for something like that, huh? And, hey, if I didn't get all uppity and ask this unapproachable lord a question, well then I wouldn't have got all shot up, would I?

Look, I wouldn't ever want to be a cop. They don't make that much money, and even in a county like ours, the job is more dangerous than the vast majority of occupations. I don't envy them having to deal with the thugs out there. However, my point is that in this area, there aren't many thugs and most cops do all they can to avoid the ones that are out there. I understand them being frustrated in having a thankless job, but that's no reason to be consistently unreasonable and beligerant and taking it out on citizens like me, who are no threat to anyone in the community.

Look at you tube- everyday you can see new examples of our police state in action. These guys are out of control everywhere- using their tasers as weapons on the elderly, the disabled and the very young. Never, though, on career criminal, gangsta types. The evidence is undeniable. Sadly, at this point, our society would be better off without any police at all. They are doing way more harm than good to the population.

unreals Wrote:
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> I questioned one guy who works for ME about where another guy who works for
> ME was (since he clearly didn't appear to be doing
> his job).

Ahhhhh......... and in this one, single, illuminating sentence, I think we've discovered the root of all of your past problems when dealing personally with Police Officers.

Taylor Wrote:
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> unreals Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Cops deal with the worst
> elements of the communities we live in and they do
> it all day, every day. No one calls the Cops when
> things are GOOD. Consequently, as an Officer, you
> are bathed in the worst that society has to offer
> up. You deal with rapes, murders, assaults, etc.
> But that's not the hard part. The hard part is
> trying to deal with the sobbing of a rape victim
> ringing in your ears. The hard part is trying to
> forget the tears slowly drying on the cheeks of a
> little child who has just been beaten to death by
> his Father, or trying to sleep at night as you
> keep hearing the plaintive screams of a Mother who
> has seen her child die in front of her eyes.
>

>
After the hard part is over, I like to give out a few radar tickets for 10 over.

Someone has to pay for all my first responding.

Unreals- always the victim and it absolutely has to be somebody else's fault for my problem..

unreals Wrote:
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> I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the
> ignornance being expressed here.


You could have stopped typing after this....

unreals Wrote:
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> I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the
> ignornance being expressed here.


It is pretty embarrassing that unreals is trying to accuse everyone else of ignorance, and then can't even spell the word correctly. "IgnorNance", lol.

He's working as head chef at Krispy Kreme. Thats even too good for him.

Maybe if the police departments didn't hire psyco's and give them guns.......

You know, I do believe that Aaron Brown was in the *back seat* of the vehicle...he wasn't even driving.

So the kid who was the driver alledgedly tried to run down the cop, and it's Aaron Brown who paid with his life...and that's ok over an unpaid $26 restaurant bill...

I just have to shake my head. How many of you advocating this position can TRUTHFULLY state that you've never broken any law anywhere at any time?

Questioner Wrote:
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> You know, I do believe that Aaron Brown was in the
> *back seat* of the vehicle...he wasn't even
> driving.
>
> So the kid who was the driver alledgedly tried to
> run down the cop, and it's Aaron Brown who paid
> with his life...and that's ok over an unpaid $26
> restaurant bill...
>
> I just have to shake my head. How many of you
> advocating this position can TRUTHFULLY state that
> you've never broken any law anywhere at any time?

Sure, many people break the law. Petty theft, DUI, possession - all pretty common. But if I committed all three in front of a cop, tried to flee, and got shot in the process while trying to run down the cope with my car - while the outcome is unlikely and extreme - it's certainly conceivable. Stop breaking the law at any point in that chain, and the worst case outcome does not come to pass.

Don't think I'd make a good lib. If I were to do something really stupid that ended up with a buddy getting killed, I'd be blaming myself and not someone else. On top of that, I'd feel bad for the cop that got put in that situation due to my stupidity. A good lib will always manage to shirk responsibility for their actions and blame others.

Live it. Learn it. Know it. FFS.

Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous to (obviously) hit the "n" key accidentally while spelling ignorance. I think it's obvious that was a typo, but given the word, that was funny.

To the guy who expressed astonishment that I wrote about the public servant working for me- are you under the impression that public servants DON'T work for the people? Attitudes like yours are part of the reason they are allowed to get away with abusing their power.

I think there is a far greater chance of one of you having the misfortune of running into one of these roided out doughnut eaters at the wrong time, than there is of me having to depend on them for anything meaningful. In our present day society, they are good for nothing other than hiding in bushes, setting up speed traps, and handing out tickets for meaningless "offenses" committed by good and decent citizens.

The next time you see a truly reckless driver- whether they're weaving in and out of lanes, or simply holding up traffic by drifting aimlessly along, perhaps texting or talking on their cell phone, let me know when you see a cop nab one of them. They are never around on those occasions. And when they do catch an absolute derelict (I knew plenty of them years ago who benefited from this), they suddenly become lenient and let them go with a warning, if that. The same thing goes with immigrants- they simply have to pretend (or maybe they don't have to pretend) to not speak English, and the lazy cop will just let them go. They WANT truly bad drivers on the road, and they exist to hassle and harrass good drivers and peaceful citizens.

Taylor Wrote:
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> unreals Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I questioned one guy who works for ME about
> where another guy who works for
> > ME was (since he clearly didn't appear to be
> doing
> > his job).
>
> Ahhhhh......... and in this one, single,
> illuminating sentence, I think we've discovered
> the root of all of your past problems when dealing
> personally with Police Officers.


And probably spouse, kids,co workers, neighbors, merchants ,etc, etc, etc. When a narcisstic ass over inflates their self importance, it eventually leads to one thing... a well deserved ass kicking.

unreals Wrote:
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> Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous to (obviously)
> hit the "n" key accidentally while spelling
> ignorance. I think it's obvious that was a typo,
> but given the word, that was funny.
>
> To the guy who expressed astonishment that I wrote
> about the public servant working for me- are you
> under the impression that public servants DON'T
> work for the people? Attitudes like yours are part
> of the reason they are allowed to get away with
> abusing their power.
>
> I think there is a far greater chance of one of
> you having the misfortune of running into one of
> these roided out doughnut eaters at the wrong
> time, than there is of me having to depend on them
> for anything meaningful. In our present day
> society, they are good for nothing other than
> hiding in bushes, setting up speed traps, and
> handing out tickets for meaningless "offenses"
> committed by good and decent citizens.
>
> The next time you see a truly reckless driver-
> whether they're weaving in and out of lanes, or
> simply holding up traffic by drifting aimlessly
> along, perhaps texting or talking on their cell
> phone, let me know when you see a cop nab one of
> them. They are never around on those occasions.
> And when they do catch an absolute derelict (I
> knew plenty of them years ago who benefited from
> this), they suddenly become lenient and let them
> go with a warning, if that. The same thing goes
> with immigrants- they simply have to pretend (or
> maybe they don't have to pretend) to not speak
> English, and the lazy cop will just let them go.
> They WANT truly bad drivers on the road, and they
> exist to hassle and harrass good drivers and
> peaceful citizens.


Wow, someone has too much tint on their windows....

Hats off to the off duty cop with the good shooting arm. One less punk in the world, too bad he didn't take out all of them in the car.

I realize that I run the risk of getting the hell flamed out of my behind but, as someone who personally knew and loved that little punk you all are trashing, I would just like to put my two cents in.
Aaron Brown was one of the nicest, sweetest, never could hurt a fly kind of guys that you would ever meet. To be honest, he looked like a complete mess, he was definitely high most of the time, and he liked to party. That does NOT make it a good thing that he died. His genes were no better or worse than anyone else's out there but if I were to have to choose then I would say they were better.
Yeah, sure he didn't make the best of decisions but that does not mean that he deserved to DIE.
Those of you who have never once in your life erred can speak I suppose, but I am pretty darn certain that you are lying when you say that you haven't.
I can tell you that the world has missed out on having an absolutely wonderful, if imperfect man be a part of it, and he has left a large empty space in the hearts of those who actually knew him.

laughingkat Wrote:
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> I realize that I run the risk of getting the hell
> flamed out of my behind but, as someone who
> personally knew and loved that little punk you all
> are trashing, I would just like to put my two
> cents in.
> Aaron Brown was one of the nicest, sweetest, never
> could hurt a fly kind of guys that you would ever
> meet. To be honest, he looked like a complete
> mess, he was definitely high most of the time, and
> he liked to party. That does NOT make it a good
> thing that he died. His genes were no better or
> worse than anyone else's out there but if I were
> to have to choose then I would say they were
> better.
> Yeah, sure he didn't make the best of decisions
> but that does not mean that he deserved to DIE.
> Those of you who have never once in your life
> erred can speak I suppose, but I am pretty darn
> certain that you are lying when you say that you
> haven't.
> I can tell you that the world has missed out on
> having an absolutely wonderful, if imperfect man
> be a part of it, and he has left a large empty
> space in the hearts of those who actually knew
> him.

Bend over so I can flame that ass, Kat...

If he was a "little punk" (which I understand to mean he was not a nice person), why did you like him? What WAS there to like about him? So, he would "never hurt a fly" but...he would skip on a check at IHOP, right? Right. If he was high and liked to party...I mean maybe that bullet helped set things straight with his world, ya' know? Maybe he didn't deserve to die...but, the cop who smoked him didn't seem to differentiate now, did he? And yes, I have erred...but I generally disassociate myself from people that I think might later steer TOWARDS a police offer when I skip out on a check. Finally, he was a menace. I'm sure this wasn't the first time that he and his crew rolled out on a check. Your hearts may be empty...but not as empty as the wallets of the owners of the restaurants he "chewed and screwed" on.

@M2A1-7: +1 - cause yeah, it's not like we get to eat for free, y'know? what makes those a-holes so special that it's ok for them to do it just cause they are "so nice"?
@laughing - yeah, he was real nice and sweet when he was STEALING from the damn IHOP. The nicest, sweetest ppl dont really do things like that. I think the world has enough thieves that they wont really be missing him too much..............

Stupid should hurt. And this time it sure did.

laughingkat Wrote:
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> To be honest, he looked like a complete mess,
> he was definitely high most of the time

Then, to be truly honest, the world is a better place without him.

From the book "Out of control: An informal history of the Fairfax County Police


In March of 2008 a female cop with the Fairfax County Police sped through a red light without her siren on and struck and killed 33-year-old Ashley McIntosh, a kindergarten teacher's assistant.
The cop sped through the intersection without putting on her brakes. The police said that the cop had been dispatched to a call about a fight in progress but have never provided any proof that there was actually such a call. And for good reason. There was no fight. Eventually the cops admitted that the matter at hand was the arrest of a shoplifter.
Witnesses said the cop didn’t have her siren on. The police must have known that. The interviewed people saw the woman killed, but the cops insisted they didn’t know if the siren was on or off.
The in-car video camera was active and working at the time of the crash, but the police refused to release it to the press or discuss what it showed. Nor would they release the cop’s name to the public.
The chief of police called McIntosh's parents to express his sympathy and then ruined the moment with a joke by promising "a comprehensive, balanced, and fair investigation of the crash.”
When the family hired a lawyer, the police stopped communicating to anyone about the killing. The victim’s family received no updates from police on what happened, nor were they contacted from the department's victim services unit.
The public and the family launched an online petition urging police "to conduct a fair, impartial, and full investigation”. More than 600 people signed it in two weeks.
When asked to explain the foot dragging of the police investigating themselves, the cops said “we want to make sure we have all the facts and have analyzed every bit of data to have a complete package to present to the commonwealth's attorney." Or, in other words, “We’re really in trouble now, this has made the national news, and we don’t know what to do next.”
Over 700 people attended McIntosh’s funeral.
In 2010 the County agreed to pay McIntosh’s family $1.5 million. The cop who hit her paid nothing. The police department budget went untouched. They got away with it.
The cop was charged with reckless driving but found not guilty, which, even in Fairfax County, came as a shock. Then another judge ruled that the cop was not entitled to "sovereign immunity”, as a government official performing her duties, because her actions were grossly negligent. The cop was doomed anyway. The department has a way of punishing those who embarrass it, because as everyone knows, only the department is allowed to embarrass itself. The cop was placed on administrative duties and the department took no disciplinary action against her. Then she was accused of falsifying her time cards and forced to resign.
In February of 2011 Ashley's Law was passed by the two houses of Virginia's General Assembly 137 to 1. The law requires those operating police cars and fire engines in Virginia to activate emergency lights and sound sirens before driving through a stop light, slow down and yield to other cars, or stop completely if they wanted to keep the siren silent.
The Fairfax County Council did and said nothing to help pass Ashley’s Law.

Well, someone around here is VERY anti cop.
May I suggest the next time you get in trouble , call a negro instead.

because murder is what they Wrote:
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> From the book "Out of control: An informal history
> of the Fairfax County Police
>
>
> In March of 2008 a female cop with the Fairfax
> County Police sped through a red light without her
> siren on and struck and killed 33-year-old Ashley
> McIntosh, a kindergarten teacher's assistant.
> The cop sped through the intersection without
> putting on her brakes. The police said that the
> cop had been dispatched to a call about a fight in
> progress but have never provided any proof that
> there was actually such a call. And for good
> reason. There was no fight. Eventually the cops
> admitted that the matter at hand was the arrest of
> a shoplifter.
> Witnesses said the cop didn’t have her siren on.
> The police must have known that. The interviewed
> people saw the woman killed, but the cops insisted
> they didn’t know if the siren was on or off.
> The in-car video camera was active and working at
> the time of the crash, but the police refused to
> release it to the press or discuss what it showed.
> Nor would they release the cop’s name to the
> public.
> The chief of police called McIntosh's parents to
> express his sympathy and then ruined the moment
> with a joke by promising "a comprehensive,
> balanced, and fair investigation of the crash.”
> When the family hired a lawyer, the police stopped
> communicating to anyone about the killing. The
> victim’s family received no updates from police
> on what happened, nor were they contacted from the
> department's victim services unit.
> The public and the family launched an online
> petition urging police "to conduct a fair,
> impartial, and full investigation”. More than
> 600 people signed it in two weeks.
> When asked to explain the foot dragging of the
> police investigating themselves, the cops said
> “we want to make sure we have all the facts and
> have analyzed every bit of data to have a complete
> package to present to the commonwealth's
> attorney." Or, in other words, “We’re really
> in trouble now, this has made the national news,
> and we don’t know what to do next.”
> Over 700 people attended McIntosh’s funeral.
> In 2010 the County agreed to pay McIntosh’s
> family $1.5 million. The cop who hit her paid
> nothing. The police department budget went
> untouched. They got away with it.
> The cop was charged with reckless driving but
> found not guilty, which, even in Fairfax County,
> came as a shock. Then another judge ruled that
> the cop was not entitled to "sovereign
> immunity”, as a government official performing
> her duties, because her actions were grossly
> negligent. The cop was doomed anyway. The
> department has a way of punishing those who
> embarrass it, because as everyone knows, only the
> department is allowed to embarrass itself. The cop
> was placed on administrative duties and the
> department took no disciplinary action against
> her. Then she was accused of falsifying her time
> cards and forced to resign.
> In February of 2011 Ashley's Law was passed by the
> two houses of Virginia's General Assembly 137 to
> 1. The law requires those operating police cars
> and fire engines in Virginia to activate emergency
> lights and sound sirens before driving through a
> stop light, slow down and yield to other cars, or
> stop completely if they wanted to keep the siren
> silent.
> The Fairfax County Council did and said nothing to
> help pass Ashley’s Law.


Hey dumb ass....since you know so much about the history of Fairfax Police then you know they had nothing to do with the IHOP shooting. But hey thanks for trying to promote your fact filled book.

Only a moron would actually buy that book.

@Wiggro - only a moron would write that book ..........................

Thanks once again to the cop who took out the trash. I laugh thinking of the dirtbags who tried to run the cop over and instead got what they had coming.

most people who are arrested or shot by cops are guilty, wtf is the problem here. if you arent doing shit wrong you wont be involved with the cops. saves us all a shit ton of money when cops just shoot first and apologize to internal affairs later, i wish this country would get its shit together i agree with gordon blvd and taylor and blonads

"IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING DOLLARS!!!!"....wait a second....we're going to criticize the officer for enforcing the law? And make no mention of the drunk doped up thieves that walked out on their bill? Try allowing every drunk doped up asshole to walk out of your business without paying and see how long you're willing to tolerate it.



"Why didn't he just try to shoot the tires out?", or "Shoot the engine block", ....obviously stated by a person who doesn't know the first thing about firearms and/or their capabilities.

.."really says something about Fairfax County when you have people getting shot by cops and most of time they don't even have weapons on them" OBviously somebody that doesn't know the whole story. This happened in Alexandria City dumbass. And if I start trying to run you over with a 3000 lb car, you tell me if it's a weapon or not when you're on the receiving end of it.

"Maybe if he laid off the doughnuts and attempted to work out at least once a week he wouldn't have made himself such an easy target"...Unless you know the officer personally you don't know if he works out or not....but that wouldn't stop you from making another cop/donut joke......those are soooo old...and weak by the way.

You, "rotors" are a dumb ass.

It would be difficult for the security guard to claim self defense against Aaron since he was in the back seat.

The guard didn't enforce the law. He went rogue and played vigilante.

If every teenager who ever broke the law was punished by being killed, I can't imagine many people would survive their teenage years.

@Bill - the small difference you are missing it that most of those "every teenager who ever broke the law" dont TRY AND KILL THE OFFICER in the process.

which is how you survive your teenage years................. Sad if you need to be taught that.

@Gordon- Exactly how did the kid try to kill the officer while in the BACK SEAT?

@Bill - by being stupid enough to be in the BACK SEAT of a getaway car aiming for the cop AFTER committing a crime that cop witnessed him commit.....................Exactly.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-51.1

Wow, this thread gets revived and the stupidity remains. Reading these posts makes me understand WHY we have police tasering invalids in wheelchairs, smashing preteen skateboarders to the pavement, etc. They have the support of the idiocracy, as is being illustrated here.

All you pig lovers would be the first to whine, should you encounter some of these intrepid officers in action. I realize many of you are teens and just having fun here, but the notion that a grown adult is justifying the shooting of someone who dined and dashed (used to be a common petty offense way back when) is unbelievable.

I ask once again why we never hear of any of these super aggressive officers tasering a gang member. Why do they always abuse their authority against the old, the weak, the mistaken identities? You people appear to have no capacity to distinguish between incidents involving cops. In your minds, cops are always right.

Remember, the only reason they ever caught the DC sniper is because some brave truckers blocked their car in while they slept at a truck stop. Even after news reports identified them, the pigs still couldn't put down their doughnuts and get to the spot they knew they were at. They are a public hazard, and not your friend.

Unreals Wrote:
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> Wow, this thread gets revived and the stupidity
> remains. Reading these posts makes me understand
> WHY we have police tasering invalids in
> wheelchairs, smashing preteen skateboarders to the
> pavement, etc. They have the support of the
> idiocracy, as is being illustrated here.
>
> All you pig lovers would be the first to whine,
> should you encounter some of these intrepid
> officers in action. I realize many of you are
> teens and just having fun here, but the notion
> that a grown adult is justifying the shooting of
> someone who dined and dashed (used to be a common
> petty offense way back when) is unbelievable.
>
> I ask once again why we never hear of any of these
> super aggressive officers tasering a gang member.
> Why do they always abuse their authority against
> the old, the weak, the mistaken identities? You
> people appear to have no capacity to distinguish
> between incidents involving cops. In your minds,
> cops are always right.
>
> Remember, the only reason they ever caught the DC
> sniper is because some brave truckers blocked
> their car in while they slept at a truck stop.
> Even after news reports identified them, the pigs
> still couldn't put down their doughnuts and get to
> the spot they knew they were at. They are a public
> hazard, and not your friend

What's the matter, a LEO taze your sorry worthless ass? Simple solution - don't be a dirtbag, douchebag!

some of you people are real fucktards....the cop jumped infront of the car! plain and simple you put yourself in danger you dont shoot the person. simple case of an over zelous security deal. Im sure Ihop never would have hired farva if they knew he would shoot somebody over ten bucks! I think any logical person would have recorded the plates and called it in afterall he was a cop its not like he cant do that. the cop deserves to be drowned in syrup till he drowns

@Gordon- The link you provided only describes court punishments. It has absolutely nothing to do with police acts that may or may not be justifiable.

@Bill - your original question had to do with stupid kids, not police acts..........which is why I brought up the law that points out you shouldnt have yr ass in a getaway car or even be more stupid dumbass and be part of a crew that would aim a vehicle at a cop..................cause it's a felony, y'dig?
@fucktard - watched cops stand in front of Freeway traffic on 66 the other day - and GUESS WHAT!?!?! All the normal-type ppl pulled over! Even though it was an interstate highway? Know why? Cause NORMAL PEOPLE arent assholes and STOP when they get caught by the cops................logical ppl would have just paid for their fucking french toast.
@Unreals - teens having fun, eh? So if they broke into yr house took $30 it would be cool to you? cause that's what they did to IHOP, pretty much. Fuck that shit - you pay for yr food and you stop when a cop tells ya to. P.S. only reason truckers knew which car to block in was kinda cause the cops let them know which car to look for.............but I bet yr a little too slow to pick that one up, arent ya? LoLz

@Gordon- Please direct me to the part of that law that says that an entire group of friends (or 'crew', as you call them) should be held accountable for the actions of one member of the group.

Bill135 Wrote:
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> @Gordon- Please direct me to the part of that law
> that says that an entire group of friends (or
> 'crew', as you call them) should be held
> accountable for the actions of one member of the
> group.


look asswipe we aren't talking about the law, we're talking about justice and finally we had a case of a cop who knows what that is supposed to mean. if one of them was guilty then they were all guilty and we are arguing here they deserved what they got, or rather one did but they all should have been shot too DUH dont do the crime if you cant do the time

@Replay- Gordon IS talking about the law. He even provided a link.

Cop did nothing wrong. That's why they had to pay so much to the kids in the car and the dead kid's estate. Plus the IHOP settlement, which was kept private.

Wow, there are still people who don't understand this? If you commit a crime in front of a Police Officer, the Officer will attempt to STOP you. If you then do anything THREATENING toward the Officer, he may mace, pepper-spray, or taze you. If you attempt to harm or kill the Officer, he will shoot you and attempt to kill you FIRST. Lastly................... if you choose to associate with people who may threaten or attempt to harm/kill a Police Officer, you may be injured or killed in the resulting gunfire.

Be careful who you hang out with. If I was hanging out in D.C. with a guy that suddenly screamed "NIGGERS!" at a large group of Blacks, do you think I wouldn't get beaten down for HIS actions? Just like if I hang out with a guy that tries to run down a Police Officer with me in the car, I might be injured when the bullets start flying.

You make the choices that determine who you spend your time with and how you want society to view you and your group. If you choose to identify with criminal losers, you're going to be included in the groups decisions, whether you personally made them or not.

What kind of dumbass cop shoots a car that's coming towards him instead of just gettin the hell out the way

Duke Wrote:
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> What kind of dumbass cop shoots a car that's
> coming towards him instead of just gettin the hell
> out the way


What kind of dumbass aims his vehicle at a Police Officer and then presses down on the accelerator knowing that it will cause the Officer to shoot at and possibly kill him?

If you knew the ACPD cop, you'd know he was a TOTAL AND COMPLETE failure. Second worst cop I've ever met. He fucked up. Everyone knows it. Right or wrong, we protect our own. But I'm glad he's not here anymore.

old lawman Wrote:
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> If you knew the ACPD cop, you'd know he was a
> TOTAL AND COMPLETE failure. Second worst cop I've
> ever met. He fucked up. Everyone knows it. Right
> or wrong, we protect our own. But I'm glad he's
> not here anymore.


Wow! A Police Officer who just happens to KNOW the other Police Officer! What are the ODDS?!?!?!?!? That's incredible!

Thanks goodness you stepped in with your view from behind the thin blue line, "Lawman"! Lol

I happened to know that ACPD Cop and he was the BEST OFFICER I've EVER MET!!!! He was a genuine American hero. They still refer to his actions during that IHOP shooting at the Academy as an example of the proper way to handle an oncoming vehicle that is attempting to run you down.

When they awarded me the "Officer of the Year" award, I declined it and tried to give it to him instead, but he wouldn't accept it. Then later that evening he rescued 7 small kittens from a house fire and saved an old lady from a runaway stage-coach.

The one thing that I value MORE than anything else during my long career as a Police Officer, is the chance to meet such an amazingly superior Officer. Truly he is an inspiration to all of us. Btw, you can believe all of this because, you know............... I'M A COP TOO!!!!!!!!!!

@taylor - same sorta dumb ass who cant figure out it's better to simply pay the damn $10 for the omelet................

"Officer of the Year" and S.W.A.T. Team member Wrote:
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> I happened to know that ACPD Cop and he was the
> BEST OFFICER I've EVER MET!!!! He was a genuine
> American hero. They still refer to his actions
> during that IHOP shooting at the Academy as an
> example of the proper way to handle an oncoming
> vehicle that is attempting to run you down.

Obvious BS but still the denial... the report states the officer stepped in front of the moving vehicle. This is why I don't trust police or police reports.