rotors Wrote:
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> IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING
> DOLLARS!!!!

The driver should be charged with felony murder. Plain and simple. The kid should have paid his bill. Plain and simple.

> You tell me how this justifies taking
> a young person's life?! Cop claims the kids were
> trying to run him over?

Did the driver stop?

> Why didn't he just shoot
> a round into the engine block

A had gun taking out an engine block? Seriously?

> or try to shoot one
> of tires out?

Yeah, a flat tire stops rolling.

> Maybe if he laid off the doughnuts

I think you are forgetting who had a hankering for the free breakfast food. Hint: he is taking a dirt nap now.

> and attempted to work out at least once a week he
> wouldn't have made himself such an easy target.

Yeah. Because he might be fat, it is OK for kids who committed a crime to run him over.

> It really says something about Fairfax County when
> you have people getting shot by cops and most of
> time they don't even have weapons on them.

Yeah, criminals should start carrying weapons. That will even the playing field. Best advice on how not to get shot, don't be a criminal. Oh, btw, in this situation the vehicle is a weapon.

> I sincerely hope the cop lives with the fact that he
> killed a kid for the rest of his life

Isn't that sort of a given?

> and that
> every night when he goes to sleep he has night
> terrors about the kid's life he took away in cold
> blooded murder

Eh, that is still a better situation than the pancake thief.

rotors Wrote:

> IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING
> DOLLARS!!!! You tell me how this justifies taking
> a young person's life?! Cop claims the kids were
> trying to run him over? Why didn't he just shoot
> a round into the engine block or try to shoot one
> of tires out? Maybe if he laid off the doughnuts
> and attempted to work out at least once a week he
> wouldn't have made himself such an easy target.
> It really says something about Fairfax County when
> you have people getting shot by cops and most of
> time they don't even have weapons on them. I
> sincerely hope the cop lives with the fact that he
> killed a kid for the rest of his life and that
> every night when he goes to sleep he has night
> terrors about the kid's life he took away in cold
> blooded murder.


Hmmmm, a couple of things about this. Firstly, it's not considered to be "cold blooded murder" when you defend yourself against someone who is trying to kill you. The official F.B.I. report found the Cop COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED in his actions and in defense of his life.

Secondly, I have to question whether or not you have even a basic working knowledge of automobiles. You think the Cop should have put a shot through the radiator and then just hoped that the vehicle would overheat and break down before it hit him? No, wait! You think he could have aimed and shot out the tires of a rapidly moving vehicle at night, and the flat tire would have INSTANTLY brought the vehicle to a full stop and kept it from crushing him? That's some of the more retarded thought processing that I've seen here, (and on FFXU that's really saying something).

Thirdly, you think it was the Officers fault for being so fat from eating doughnuts that he made himself "too big of a target", and the fault lies not with the driver trying to hit him, but with the Cop for not working out enough that he would have made a slimmer profile, (therefore harder to run down with a car).

It's ironic because by posting such mind-numbingly moronic drivel, you're actually hurting the opinion that you're trying to defend.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012 10:41AM by Taylor.

Taylor Wrote:
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> That's some of the more
> retarded thought processing that I've seen here
> It's ironic because by posting such mind-numbingly
> moronic drivel, you're actually hurting the
> opinion that you're trying to defend.

The part that's the most embarrassing, (for you), is that you stoop to the predictable and pedantic name-calling about how other posters have "low IQ rates", (compared to yours, I'm sure). Then you go and prove that you have a complete inability to read and process a simple sentence like, "how this justifies taking a young person's life?" which is very clearly stated in his post.

Despite all that, you managed to get it wrong and completely misunderstand what he was saying at the exact same time as you were challenging the intellect and literacy levels of the other posters.

Thank you for that trenchant contribution to the discussion. In return, let me say, "Blah, blah, moronic, blah, retarded, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Edited 46 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012 11:11AM by TaylorReplay.

Dead men steal no pancakes

Taylor Wrote:
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> rotors Wrote:
>
> > IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING
> > DOLLARS!!!! You tell me how this justifies
> taking
> > a young person's life?! Cop claims the kids
> were
> > trying to run him over? Why didn't he just
> shoot
> > a round into the engine block or try to shoot
> one
> > of tires out? Maybe if he laid off the
> doughnuts
> > and attempted to work out at least once a week
> he
> > wouldn't have made himself such an easy target.
>
> > It really says something about Fairfax County
> when
> > you have people getting shot by cops and most
> of
> > time they don't even have weapons on them. I
> > sincerely hope the cop lives with the fact that
> he
> > killed a kid for the rest of his life and that
> > every night when he goes to sleep he has night
> > terrors about the kid's life he took away in
> cold
> > blooded murder.
>
>
> Hmmmm, a couple of things about this. Firstly,
> it's not considered to be "cold blooded murder"
> when you defend yourself against someone who is
> trying to kill you. The official F.B.I. report
> found the Cop COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED in his actions
> and in defense of his life.
>
> Secondly, I have to question whether or not you
> have even a basic working knowledge of
> automobiles. You think the Cop should have put a
> shot through the radiator and then just hoped that
> the vehicle would overheat and break down before
> it hit him? No, wait! You think he could have
> aimed and shot out the tires of a rapidly moving
> vehicle at night, and the flat tire would have
> INSTANTLY brought the vehicle to a full stop and
> kept it from crushing him? That's some of the more
> retarded thought processing that I've seen here,
> (and on FFXU that's really saying something).
>
> Thirdly, you think it was the Officers fault for
> being so fat from eating doughnuts that he made
> himself "too big of a target", and the fault lies
> not with the driver trying to hit him, but with
> the Cop for not working out enough that he would
> have made a slimmer profile, (therefore harder to
> run down with a car).
>
> It's ironic because by posting such mind-numbingly
> moronic drivel, you're actually hurting the
> opinion that you're trying to defend.

So? Are you telling me the cop couldn't have gotten out of the way when the car was driving towards him? I have yet to hear what justifies the cop shooting them from the rear? Why didn't he just shoot when the car was speeding towards him? Gee, people must be morons if they can't see the justice in that, right? Classic Fairfax County Police defense, shoot someone when their back is turned. So you honestly feel that our police officers should be too fat? The fact that they shouldn't even maintain some level of physical fitness, wow don't I feel really safe now. I sleep so much better knowing that young dine and dash offenders are being shot, really tackling our crime problem here in Fairfax. Robocop watch out now! As for shooting the tires, a car with no tires can still drive but it will drive slower. Maybe not slow enough for the fat ass out of shape cop to catch up with the driver which is why he shot him, but slower. Is this your definition of crime or criminals for that matter? If you want to take about morons look in the mirror you fucking douchebag, haha. Anyways I got to get back to CNN a breaking story involving 3 teens who skipped out on a Denny's lunch bill is developing. They sent out a nationwide APB and have detectives working in shifts to try and break the case, crime just went up 1000% how will we survive. Better get to the gun store before it's too late and build that underground shelter

It happened in Alexandria City and an Alexandria City cop was involved you ranting moron.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again and again, the officer acted negligently due to the fact that instead of aiming for the driver, he choose to endanger the passengers by discharging his weapon into the side of the vehicle when he did not have a clear shot for the driver. He was trained to disable the driver, not shoot up the whole car. The driver should've been the one killed, not the eagle scout sitting in the back you complete fucking morons. Its also interesting that instead of acknowledging the cop acted inappropriately in that situation many on here are placing the blame in the kid who was killed, maybe its just too hard for them to grasp the fact the some of our law enforcement officers are capable of serious, deadly mistakes like this one.

very well said. I also stand by my belief that a requirement to become a police officer should be active or reserve duty military experience. Many of the police officers who happen to be military veterans perform their duties at a higher level compared to those without any experience. Had the officer been better trained this mistake could have been avoided. However I don't feel that anyone should have been shot in this situation. Whether or not the driver intentionally tried to run over the police officer will never be known.

TaylorReplay Wrote:
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> Taylor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's some of the more
> > retarded thought processing that I've seen here
> > It's ironic because by posting such
> mind-numbingly
> > moronic drivel, you're actually hurting the
> > opinion that you're trying to defend.
>
> The part that's the most embarrassing, (for you),
> is that you stoop to the predictable and pedantic
> name-calling about how other posters have "low IQ
> rates", (compared to yours, I'm sure). Then you go
> and prove that you have a complete inability to
> read and process a simple sentence like, "how this
> justifies taking a young person's life?" which is
> very clearly stated in his post.
>
> Despite all that, you managed to get it wrong and
> completely misunderstand what he was saying at the
> exact same time as you were challenging the
> intellect and literacy levels of the other
> posters.
>
> Thank you for that trenchant contribution to the
> discussion. In return, let me say, "Blah, blah,
> moronic, blah, retarded, blah, blah, blah, blah,
> blah, blah."
>
> Edited 46 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012 11:11AM
> by TaylorReplay.

Lol, struck a nerve, did I.

rotors Wrote:

> IT WAS A FUCKING DINE AND DASH 26 FUCKING
> DOLLARS!!!! You tell me how this justifies taking
> a young person's life?! Cop claims the kids were
> trying to run him over? Why didn't he just shoot
> a round into the engine block or try to shoot one
> of tires out? Maybe if he laid off the doughnuts
> and attempted to work out at least once a week he
> wouldn't have made himself such an easy target.
> It really says something about Fairfax County when
> you have people getting shot by cops and most of
> time they don't even have weapons on them. I
> sincerely hope the cop lives with the fact that he
> killed a kid for the rest of his life and that
> every night when he goes to sleep he has night
> terrors about the kid's life he took away in cold
> blooded murder


This isnt hollywood and he doesnt carry a barret 50 cal. Yea a 40 cal glock round is going to stop a car shooting its engine block you cant be serious. Shoot the tires and even better idea so then the car can go out of control flip over kill everyone inside and maybe if theyre lucky take out some other people too. Youve watched far to many movies or tv cop shows

The Real Facts Wrote:
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> I've said it once, and I'll say it again and
> again, the officer acted negligently due to the
> fact that instead of aiming for the driver, he
> choose to endanger the passengers by discharging
> his weapon into the side of the vehicle when he
> did not have a clear shot for the driver. He was
> trained to disable the driver, not shoot up the
> whole car. The driver should've been the one
> killed, not the eagle scout sitting in the back
> you complete fucking morons. Its also interesting
> that instead of acknowledging the cop acted
> inappropriately in that situation many on here are
> placing the blame in the kid who was killed, maybe
> its just too hard for them to grasp the fact the
> some of our law enforcement officers are capable
> of serious, deadly mistakes like this one.


The kid who was killed does get some of the blame for going along with everything that happened so you might want to lay off the eagle scout part when he had just stolen from a place. That said as Ive said before the person who is the most responsible is the driver. The kids death is on the driver. Had he not try to run down a cop everyone in that situation would still be alive today.

Agreed.

The "Eagle Scout", (as every one seems to think is an appropriate defense for his actions), had a B.A.C. of .13, (despite being underage), and was high on marijuana at the time of the incident. Couple that with his attempt to steal and I think you can lay off the whole, "But he was an Eagle Scout!", bit.

>> Edited 46 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012 11:11AM by TaylorReplay.

seriously? 46 edits?

@Taylor: so was he like trying to get his Thug Badge or something? :)

For Real (on page 1) has all the facts of the case. Cop did overstep authority of the contract in question. HOWEVER the cop DID NOT commit a ILLEGAL ACTION by shooting into that jeep. The major difference is basically criminal/civil court.

Either way, the kids in that jeep could have given a FUCK about me or my safety - cause if they would be WILLING to run down a cop, they be WILLING to run me down. Some lady and her kid got killed by a car just a few weeks ago near there, didnt they? Something like that happened around that spot.........and THAT driver of that killing was drunk too I think.........so yeah, careless drivers KILL around that area and those kids in that jeep would have just as well killed someone as they would have willingly killed that cop had he not gotten out the way while trying to get out of paying for some dammed steak and eggs!?!?!?! Fuck'em.

TaylorReplayDummy Wrote:
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> >> Edited 46 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2012
> 11:11AM by TaylorReplay.
>
> seriously? 46 edits?


I think that was part of the joke, as anon posters can't edit posts. Taylor likes to click before she knows the extent of the errors in her ramblings and the re-reads cause many edits. I susepct in real life the talking toggle switch is always on "send" and very little on "receive".

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Cop did overstep authority of the contract
> in question.

You are suggesting this was a hit? That is new info, you should probably contact the police if there is evidence of that.

pathetic Wrote:
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> The kid who was killed does get some of the blame
> for going along with everything that happened so
> you might want to lay off the eagle scout part
> when he had just stolen from a place. That said
> as Ive said before the person who is the most
> responsible is the driver. The kids death is on
> the driver. Had he not try to run down a cop
> everyone in that situation would still be alive
> today.

Ah, a revisionist. He dine and dashed from an IHOP, so his Eagle scout rank is automatcially revoked? He was an Eagle scout before he went into the IHOP, he was one during, but as soon as he walked out he's no longer an Eagle scout? I don't recall the BSA posthumously retracting his Eagle ranking, so I think YOU should stop trying to change what the facts are in this situation. The fact is he was a good kid who made a dumb mistake. Does that mean he deserved to be shot? No. Does that mean that he AND the cop are not responsible for their actions? No.

Now the way I see it, both made a mistake. The boys made a mistake by not paying their bill. While criminal in nature, it's a relatively harmless action that no one directly died from. The officer made a mistake by discharging his weapon at the vehicle and not holding his fire until he had a clear shot on the driver. Unfortunately, someone died as a direct result of his mistake.

While it's debatable that the driver of the vehicle's intentions were to run over the cop, it still is considered assault with a deadly weapon. In that situation, an LEO is trained to disable the driver without harming bystanders or other occupants of the vehicle unless they are also threatening life and limb. The boy in backseat was not threatening anyone. Even more damning is the fact that the fatal shot went into the side of the vehicle, meaning that the vehicle was partially past the officer, but he continued to discharge his weapon anyway.

In summary, the officer continued to fire his weapon after the driver passed him which directly led to the death of a young man. I would classify that as reckless weapons discharge, at worst negligent manslaughter... which if you ask me is a hell of a lot worse than running out on your bill.

BTW, making the server pay for people who skip out on the bill is iagainst a number of labor regulations, and terrible way to justify the killing of another person.

Taylor Wrote:
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> Agreed.
>
> The "Eagle Scout", (as every one seems to think is
> an appropriate defense for his actions), had a
> B.A.C. of .13, (despite being underage), and was
> high on marijuana at the time of the incident.
> Couple that with his attempt to steal and I think
> you can lay off the whole, "But he was an Eagle
> Scout!", bit.

Look I don't know what third world Sharia law country you're from but here in America stealing isn't a crime punishable by death. Cry all you want that "they were trying to hit the cop," that's still no excuse to shoot someone over fucking pancakes. You seriously got a couple of screws loose if you think the cop made the right decision to shoot a kid over pancakes. Either you're seriously fucked in the head or a good troll

sippy_cup Wrote:
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> Taylor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Agreed.
> >
> > The "Eagle Scout", (as every one seems to think
> is
> > an appropriate defense for his actions), had a
> > B.A.C. of .13, (despite being underage), and
> was
> > high on marijuana at the time of the incident.
> > Couple that with his attempt to steal and I
> think
> > you can lay off the whole, "But he was an Eagle
> > Scout!", bit.
>
> Look I don't know what third world Sharia law
> country you're from but here in America stealing
> isn't a crime punishable by death. Cry all you
> want that "they were trying to hit the cop,"
> that's still no excuse to shoot someone over
> fucking pancakes. You seriously got a couple of
> screws loose if you think the cop made the right
> decision to shoot a kid over pancakes. Either
> you're seriously fucked in the head or a good
> troll


No matter what you stole or if you didn't steal, there is no excuse to attempt to run over anyone.

Troll is as troll does, troll.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cop did overstep authority of the contract
> > in question.
>
> You are suggesting this was a hit? That is new
> info, you should probably contact the police if
> there is evidence of that.


hardy har har :)

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> The Real Facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've said it once, and I'll say it again and
> > again, the officer acted negligently due to the
> > fact that instead of aiming for the driver, he
> > choose to endanger the passengers by
> discharging
> > his weapon into the side of the vehicle when he
> > did not have a clear shot for the driver. He
> was
> > trained to disable the driver, not shoot up the
> > whole car. The driver should've been the one
> > killed, not the eagle scout sitting in the back
> > you complete fucking morons.

OK, dipshit, you go stand in the road while someone tries to run you down with a 2 ton car, and we'll grade you on your perfect marksmanship. Anyone sitting in a car that is a) driven by a drunk driver, b) fleeing the scene of a crime, and c) attempting to run down a cop, is running the risk of something like this happening. That's why you try monitor and control who your kid associates with, where he/she goes, etc. It's sad, tragic, etc, but it sure as hell is not the cop's fault.

@trolloff - apparently, you can if yr an Eagle Scout...........

oh puh-lease Wrote:
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> OK, dipshit, you go stand in the road while
> someone tries to run you down with a 2 ton car,
> and we'll grade you on your perfect marksmanship.
> Anyone sitting in a car that is a) driven by a
> drunk driver, b) fleeing the scene of a crime, and
> c) attempting to run down a cop, is running the
> risk of something like this happening. That's why
> you try monitor and control who your kid
> associates with, where he/she goes, etc. It's
> sad, tragic, etc, but it sure as hell is not the
> cop's fault.

If he didn't have a clear shot, he shouldn't have taken it. THAT is what he is trained to do. I'm not a trained LEO so I probably would've killed everyone in the parking lot. Just because I can't do something, doesn't mean that I won't hold people who are trained (and paid by taxpayers like myself) to think clearly, remain calm and accurate in situations like these to a higher standard than myself.

The Real Facts Wrote:
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> Ah, a revisionist. He dine and dashed from an
> IHOP, so his Eagle scout rank is automatcially
> revoked? He was an Eagle scout before he went into
> the IHOP, he was one during, but as soon as he
> walked out he's no longer an Eagle scout? I don't
> recall the BSA posthumously retracting his Eagle
> ranking, so I think YOU should stop trying to
> change what the facts are in this situation. The
> fact is he was a good kid who made a dumb mistake.
> Does that mean he deserved to be shot? No. Does
> that mean that he AND the cop are not responsible
> for their actions? No.
>
> Now the way I see it, both made a mistake. The
> boys made a mistake by not paying their bill.
> While criminal in nature, it's a relatively
> harmless action that no one directly died from.
> The officer made a mistake by discharging his
> weapon at the vehicle and not holding his fire
> until he had a clear shot on the driver.
> Unfortunately, someone died as a direct result of
> his mistake.
>
> While it's debatable that the driver of the
> vehicle's intentions were to run over the cop, it
> still is considered assault with a deadly weapon.
> In that situation, an LEO is trained to disable
> the driver without harming bystanders or other
> occupants of the vehicle unless they are also
> threatening life and limb. The boy in backseat was
> not threatening anyone. Even more damning is the
> fact that the fatal shot went into the side of the
> vehicle, meaning that the vehicle was partially
> past the officer, but he continued to discharge
> his weapon anyway.
>
> In summary, the officer continued to fire his
> weapon after the driver passed him which directly
> led to the death of a young man. I would classify
> that as reckless weapons discharge, at worst
> negligent manslaughter... which if you ask me is a
> hell of a lot worse than running out on your
> bill.
>
> BTW, making the server pay for people who skip out
> on the bill is iagainst a number of labor
> regulations, and terrible way to justify the
> killing of another person.


No he is still an eagle scout im sure but youre saying it trying to make it sound like he was someone who could have never done anything wrong and he was gunned down in his booth in a cold blooded murder. Whether or not he was am eagle scout has nothing to do with the actions that led up to this event.

Youre missing the entire point here and living in some fantasy cop world of tv dramas. If you try and run a cop over with a car youre car is going to get shot at. Is it unfortunate that the shots hit the kid in the back seat yes, is it anyone but the kids fault who were in the car, and more specifically the driver no. The driver was absolutely a threat to life and limb if hes gunning his car at a cop. He was determined to get away no matter who was in the way. It was a stupid mistake up until the point where the driver decided to try and kill a cop, then it becomes a very serious issue.

That driver was a threat to everyone in the community that night and he got his friend killed because he wanted free pancakes.

Im not sure what your point is about the watress having to pay Ive never even mentioned that, but they do have to pay for it illegal or not and you can get fried for anything so yes it could have potentially also cost her her job.

If a cop tells you to stop you stop. Instead of blaming the cop the blame should be on the kids for stealing, not listening to a cop, and then the driver trying to kill the cop. If anyone of those 3 things hadnt happened everyone of them would be alive today

The Real Facts Wrote:
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> oh puh-lease Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OK, dipshit, you go stand in the road while
> > someone tries to run you down with a 2 ton car,
> > and we'll grade you on your perfect
> marksmanship.
> > Anyone sitting in a car that is a) driven by a
> > drunk driver, b) fleeing the scene of a crime,
> and
> > c) attempting to run down a cop, is running the
> > risk of something like this happening. That's
> why
> > you try monitor and control who your kid
> > associates with, where he/she goes, etc. It's
> > sad, tragic, etc, but it sure as hell is not
> the
> > cop's fault.
>
> If he didn't have a clear shot, he shouldn't have
> taken it. THAT is what he is trained to do. I'm
> not a trained LEO so I probably would've killed
> everyone in the parking lot. Just because I can't
> do something, doesn't mean that I won't hold
> people who are trained (and paid by taxpayers like
> myself) to think clearly, remain calm and accurate
> in situations like these to a higher standard than
> myself.

Sorry, you didn't have a clear shot at the driver, so you should have let the car drive over you and possible kill you and then proceed onto the street with a drunk driver at the wheel? That's insane.

I'm not an apologist for the FCPD - I think what happened to that Sal Culosi was completely inexcusable - but in this case, it seems cut and dry. Fleeing criminal and associates trying to run down a cop on foot with a car. Hang out with criminals, bad things can happen. Even if you are an Eagle Scout.

sippy_cup Wrote:

> Look I don't know what third world Sharia law
> country you're from but here in America stealing
> isn't a crime punishable by death. Cry all you
> want that "they were trying to hit the cop,"
> that's still no excuse to shoot someone over
> fucking pancakes. You seriously got a couple of
> screws loose if you think the cop made the right
> decision to shoot a kid over pancakes. Either
> you're seriously fucked in the head or a good
> troll

They werent shot over pancakes, they were shot over trying to kill a cop. Its not that hard to understand.

troll-off Wrote:
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> sippy_cup Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Taylor Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Agreed.
> > >
> > > The "Eagle Scout", (as every one seems to
> think
> > is
> > > an appropriate defense for his actions), had
> a
> > > B.A.C. of .13, (despite being underage), and
> > was
> > > high on marijuana at the time of the
> incident.
> > > Couple that with his attempt to steal and I
> > think
> > > you can lay off the whole, "But he was an
> Eagle
> > > Scout!", bit.
> >
> > Look I don't know what third world Sharia law
> > country you're from but here in America
> stealing
> > isn't a crime punishable by death. Cry all you
> > want that "they were trying to hit the cop,"
> > that's still no excuse to shoot someone over
> > fucking pancakes. You seriously got a couple
> of
> > screws loose if you think the cop made the
> right
> > decision to shoot a kid over pancakes. Either
> > you're seriously fucked in the head or a good
> > troll
>
>
> No matter what you stole or if you didn't steal,
> there is no excuse to attempt to run over anyone.
>
>
> Troll is as troll does, troll.

Bullshit that fucking cop was probably looking for any excuse to fire his gun so he could a real hero!

The Real Facts Wrote:

> If he didn't have a clear shot, he shouldn't have
> taken it. THAT is what he is trained to do. I'm
> not a trained LEO so I probably would've killed
> everyone in the parking lot. Just because I can't
> do something, doesn't mean that I won't hold
> people who are trained (and paid by taxpayers like
> myself) to think clearly, remain calm and accurate
> in situations like these to a higher standard than
> myself.

And this is what your problem is. You are talking from a point of no experience and going off tv dramas. Your tax payer remake also seems to indicate that you think the police work for you

here's a picture of our brave hero at the prime of his physical fitness, lol
Attachments:

oh puh-lease Wrote:
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> OK, dipshit, you go stand in the road while
> someone tries to run you down with a 2 ton car

Ahh.. we're finally getting some understanding of what happened. You just told someone to go stand in the road where, obviously, they are potentially in the path of vehicles. If the cop hadn't stepped into the path of the moving vehicle, it isn't really a danger to get run over, is it?

The Alexandria PD see the difference, which is why he was penalized.

The car wasn't a weapon until the cop placed himself in front of it. It is the same as handing a person a handgun and then declaring your life in danger, so you shoot them in self defense.

pathetic Wrote:
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> sippy_cup Wrote:
>
> > Look I don't know what third world Sharia law
> > country you're from but here in America
> stealing
> > isn't a crime punishable by death. Cry all you
> > want that "they were trying to hit the cop,"
> > that's still no excuse to shoot someone over
> > fucking pancakes. You seriously got a couple
> of
> > screws loose if you think the cop made the
> right
> > decision to shoot a kid over pancakes. Either
> > you're seriously fucked in the head or a good
> > troll
>
> They werent shot over pancakes, they were shot
> over trying to kill a cop. Its not that hard to
> understand.


Why can't you understand this..... The cop put himself in a postion he was not authorized to be in!! He did not follow his orders! Does any of this make sense to you? His orders/contract with the restuarant were to stay in the restuarant ...NOT pursue people out of the restuarant.. Why do you think IHOP had that restriction in the cops contract... to avoid this exact scenario! The cop broke the rules just as bad as the kids did when they ran out on the bill. By putting himself in that situation HE IS TO BLAME!!

THAT IS WHY ALEXANDRIA PAID $1.1 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE BROWN FAMILY! If Alexandria thought they had a leg to stand on or that the cop was correct in his actions do you think they would have settled before the trial? When they did go to trial, to sue IHOP for the $1.1 Million and got laughed out of court. ALL BECAUSE THE COP DID NOT FOLLOW HIS ORDERS!!

4real Wrote:
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> Why can't you understand this..... The cop put
> himself in a postion he was not authorized to be
> in!! He did not follow his orders! Does any of
> this make sense to you? His orders/contract with
> the restuarant were to stay in the restuarant
> ...NOT pursue people out of the restuarant.. Why
> do you think IHOP had that restriction in the cops
> contract... to avoid this exact scenario! The cop
> broke the rules just as bad as the kids did when
> they ran out on the bill. By putting himself in
> that situation HE IS TO BLAME!!
>
> THAT IS WHY ALEXANDRIA PAID $1.1 MILLION DOLLARS
> TO THE BROWN FAMILY! If Alexandria thought they
> had a leg to stand on or that the cop was correct
> in his actions do you think they would have
> settled before the trial? When they did go to
> trial, to sue IHOP for the $1.1 Million and got
> laughed out of court. ALL BECAUSE THE COP DID NOT
> FOLLOW HIS ORDERS!!


Wrong. Ihop has that in the contract because they often use private security and not off duty police officers. He is a real cop hes not going to just let someone leave like that.

They paid the family because its cheaper and easier to just pay than it is to battle it out in court for years. Theyre legal costs would have basically been that anyway so they paid to get it over with and they have funds already set up for this type of thing.

Im glad you blame a cop for going after someone stealing over the person who tries to run a cop over with a car. You have to be a criminal yourself to think like that.

pathetic Wrote:
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> 4real Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> > Why can't you understand this..... The cop put
> > himself in a postion he was not authorized to
> be
> > in!! He did not follow his orders! Does any
> of
> > this make sense to you? His orders/contract
> with
> > the restuarant were to stay in the restuarant
> > ...NOT pursue people out of the restuarant..
> Why
> > do you think IHOP had that restriction in the
> cops
> > contract... to avoid this exact scenario! The
> cop
> > broke the rules just as bad as the kids did
> when
> > they ran out on the bill. By putting himself in
> > that situation HE IS TO BLAME!!
> >
> > THAT IS WHY ALEXANDRIA PAID $1.1 MILLION
> DOLLARS
> > TO THE BROWN FAMILY! If Alexandria thought they
> > had a leg to stand on or that the cop was
> correct
> > in his actions do you think they would have
> > settled before the trial? When they did go to
> > trial, to sue IHOP for the $1.1 Million and got
> > laughed out of court. ALL BECAUSE THE COP DID
> NOT
> > FOLLOW HIS ORDERS!!
>
>
> Wrong. Ihop has that in the contract because they
> often use private security and not off duty police
> officers. He is a real cop hes not going to just
> let someone leave like that.
>
> They paid the family because its cheaper and
> easier to just pay than it is to battle it out in
> court for years. Theyre legal costs would have
> basically been that anyway so they paid to get it
> over with and they have funds already set up for
> this type of thing.
>
> Im glad you blame a cop for going after someone
> stealing over the person who tries to run a cop
> over with a car. You have to be a criminal
> yourself to think like that.


He was an OFF DUTY Police officer on contract to do a security job at IHOP.. He signed a contract that told him what his duties were and what they were not. If he had followed the rules none of this would have happened.

I am blaming the cop because he didn't follow the rules and a kid ended up dead because of it. Good for IHOP that they had it in the contract... to bad Officer Stowe didnt bide by the rules.. Aaron Brown would be alive today if he had.

4real Wrote:

> He was an OFF DUTY Police officer on contract to
> do a security job at IHOP.. He signed a contract
> that told him what his duties were and what they
> were not. If he had followed the rules none of
> this would have happened.
>
> I am blaming the cop because he didn't follow the
> rules and a kid ended up dead because of it. Good
> for IHOP that they had it in the contract... to
> bad Officer Stowe didnt bide by the rules.. Aaron
> Brown would be alive today if he had.


Aaron brown would still be alive today if he didnt dine and dash. Aaron brown would still be alive today if he had better friends. Aaron brown would still be alive today if he wasnt drunk and high leading him to make poor decisions. Aaron brown would still be alive today if he had stopped when the cop told him too. Aaron brown would still be alive today if his friend didnt try and run the cop over.

Its sad that he died, but the death could have been avoided a ton of different ways and everyone of those ways involves the kids making the right choice. Not only did they dine and dash, they ignored orders from a cop, then the driver tried to run the cop over. He made the choice to dine and dash, he made the choice to ignore the police officer, he made the choice to get into the car. He wasnt forced to do any of those things. All of the blames lies on the kids and the choices they made and specifically the driver for escalating the situation using the car as a lethal weapon.

Its called personal responsibility. When you hang out with the wrong crowd and make the wrong decisions, then make even worse decisions to try and cover up for the first wrong decision, you risk something like this happening

Its also very sad that you blame the cop for not following the rules yet you completely excuse the behavior of the kids and all of the laws they broke.

I actually live a few miles down the road from this place in Annandale. I've been to that particular IHOP and hotel many times. Its a very, very tiny compact parking lot with crappy crowded strip malls on both side and government housing right behind it. Basically he put a ton of people's lives at risk by firing into that area. That includes the people inside the IHOP and those driving down Little River Turnpike.

pathetic Wrote:
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> Its also very sad that you blame the cop for not
> following the rules yet you completely excuse the
> behavior of the kids and all of the laws they
> broke.


Were the 'KIDS' being PAID to follow the 'rules'?

We're talking about a fucking cop, dumbshit. The law is their job. They should make that piece of shit a meter maid.

Ding an sich Wrote:

> Were the 'KIDS' being PAID to follow the 'rules'?
>
> We're talking about a fucking cop, dumbshit. The
> law is their job. They should make that piece of
> shit a meter maid.


They are laws "dumbshit", you dont follow them because youre being paid, you follow them because its a law. I guess next time a drunk driver kills someone everyone will just say that the other person shouldnt have been in the way, or if someone is murdered the victim should have just gotten out of the way of the bullets. Great society we live in today were its never the persons fault who was breaking the law.

What I infer from this is you hate the police probably because you like drugs or have been busted doing something illegal before. Again only criminals would not understand the fact that the kids had to break several laws and had multiple chances to realize what they were doing was wrong and end the situation by complying but instead chose that the solution would be to try and run the cop over

@Brandon - that is the most stupid logic I've ever heard in my life.......that the cop is the ONE putting ppl at risk by attempting to stop a person who just attempted MURDER!!?!? I especially love how far you have yr head up yr ass to attack the cop for firing, but apparently for you it's A-FUCKING-OK to drive a fucking Jeep at a high rate of speed thru that EXACT SAME AREA to get away from paying the IHOP for yr food. Fuck that Bullshit, yo......

@sippy - yeah, the cop just FORCED those kids to steal from his employers, and FORCED those kids to try and commit murder.....cause he was looking for an excuse to fire his gun? THAT'S WHAT YOU BELIEVE Man, but that is weak..............

seriously, y'all............fuck you if yr telling me it's better for a cop to say "fuck it - let the next person handle it" in a situation like this cause.....................well, I know I wouldnt want to be the dumb fuck who'd be minding his own business on the Turnpike when all of a sudden I'm waking up, going "WTF?", realizing I've been in an accident, and cant move! All cause THESE ASSHOLES WANTED FREE WAFFLES!!!! FUCK THEM!!!!

Libs and other felons blame the cop. All normal Americans hold the criminals accountable for the consequences of their actions. Are we good? Can we all get back to the Rusty Hall threads now?

4real Wrote:
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>
> He was an OFF DUTY Police officer on contract to
> do a security job at IHOP.. He signed a contract
> that told him what his duties were and what they
> were not. If he had followed the rules none of
> this would have happened.
>
> I am blaming the cop because he didn't follow the
> rules and a kid ended up dead because of it. Good
> for IHOP that they had it in the contract... to
> bad Officer Stowe didnt bide by the rules.. Aaron
> Brown would be alive today if he had.

Cops are never off duty.

Let's say you are at [pick a public place] and someone starts assaulting you. If a cop is there - on duty, off duty, working privately - he's going to intervene and you'd be happy he did. The idea that IHOP's rules supercede the cops obligations as a sworn officer is laughable.

If a fight had occured at the IHOP and spilled into the parking lot and resulted in a death, and the cop had stood in the doorway of the IHOP watching so as to not break the IHOP rules, you'd be screaming for his head, saying his training was to intervene and protect life and property.

I started this thread to find out what happened to the officer who shot Aaron Brown over a Dine and Dash at the IHOP. I have found out that Officer Stowe should never have been in the situation to shoot at the Jeep according to the contract he signed with IHOP. I have found out that the Jeep driven by Steve Smith was speeding at the officer and he felt his life was at risk. I have found out that Aaron Brown was an Eagle Scout. I have found out that Officer Stowe fired 6 times at the Jeep hitting it from the front grill to the hood to the driver side back seat window (fatal shot), driver side back door and quarter panel and behind the Jeep. I have found out that Alexandria police punished the officer with the harshest penalty they could short of firing him. I found out that the Alexandria police officially changed there policy toward officers not being able to step in front of a moving vehicle. I found out that Alexandria paid the Browns $1.1 million dollars in a settlement prior to the case going to trial. I found out that Alexandria then tried to sue IHOP to get the settlement money back and were laughed out of court by the Judge (due to the Contract Officer Stowe signed) All of these are the facts that I have found out. Mostly I found out how fucked some of you people are who think a teenage kid should be killed for walking out on a $26 dollar tab at IHOP.

In conclusion: I believe Officer Stowe did not mean to shoot Aaron Brown, that he felt the Jeep was putting his life at risk; HOWEVER, he should have never been in that situation, that he overstepped his authority and by doing so he ended up killing Aaron Brown. I hope he is a man of conscious and this bothers him every day. All of you who have kids think about being in the Browns situation, where your kid makes a dumb decision and ends up being shot by the police over a $26 dollar item.

I found out that a person and his associates who commit a minor crime (stealing), followed by a more serious crime (fleeing a police officer) followed by a capital crime (assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer) leaves himself at the mercy of the split second judgement of a police officer, which can be endlessly analyzed but doesn't make him any less dead.

Every person in that Jeep had the opportunity to say:

- I'm not running out on that check
- I'm not running away from a police officer who is ordering me to stop
- I'm not getting in the car with a drunk and stoned driver

Some decisions cost you some money, some cost a job, some cost a criminal charge. Tragically for Aaron Brown, his decisions cost him his life. Stop at Crime 1, Crime 2, or Crime 3 - no death.

justice4kid Wrote:
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I have found out that Officer Stowe should never have been in the situation to
shoot at the Jeep according to the contract he signed with IHOP.

What contract did he sign?

oh puh-lease Wrote:
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> I found out that a person and his associates who
> commit a minor crime (stealing), followed by a
> more serious crime (fleeing a police officer)
> followed by a capital crime (assault with a deadly
> weapon on a police officer) leaves himself at the
> mercy of the split second judgement of a police
> officer, which can be endlessly analyzed but
> doesn't make him any less dead.
>
> Every person in that Jeep had the opportunity to
> say:
>
> - I'm not running out on that check
> - I'm not running away from a police officer who
> is ordering me to stop
> - I'm not getting in the car with a drunk and
> stoned driver
>
> Some decisions cost you some money, some cost a
> job, some cost a criminal charge. Tragically for
> Aaron Brown, his decisions cost him his life.
> Stop at Crime 1, Crime 2, or Crime 3 - no death.


So if that were your kid, you would feel the same way?

He made a couple of dumb decisions, you can call them crimes ($26 dollar tab, which the officer knew the amount) Where has it been determined the Driver was Drunk and Stoned? We are all preaching to our kids to make good decisions, unfortunately, they don't always do that. I just find it unbelievable that for this kids bad decisions he got killed. It was all unavoidable if the cop had used good judgement and followed a myriad of different approaches. He could have called in the license plate, he could have walked out and signaled at the car without stepping in front of the car. He could have walked out and stepped in front of the car and when it looked like it was headed towards him, STEPPED OUT OF THE WAY!! tHIS IS ALL OVER A $26 IHOP bill.

I guess I am looking at this as if this were my kid and the same circumstances occured I would be going crazy.

justice4kid Wrote:
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>
> So if that were your kid, you would feel the same
> way?
>

I would feel horrible and I would blame myself for not bringing my child up with the values to 1) not hang around with a bunch of criminals, 2) not refusing to participate when it starting going bad, and 3) not obeying a police officer when ordered to do so. I raise my kids to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions - not to whine or blame others. Sadly, I think I am very much in the minority these days.

Highlander Wrote:
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> justice4kid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> I have found out that Officer Stowe should never
> have been in the situation to
> shoot at the Jeep according to the contract he
> signed with IHOP.
>
> What contract did he sign?

Dude.. catch up, read the previous 2 pages worth of information. There are links to articles and the investigation report. It is all there, just read it.

oh puh-lease Wrote:
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> justice4kid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > So if that were your kid, you would feel the
> same
> > way?
> >
>
> I would feel horrible and I would blame myself for
> not bringing my child up with the values to 1) not
> hang around with a bunch of criminals, 2) not
> refusing to participate when it starting going
> bad, and 3) not obeying a police officer when
> ordered to do so. I raise my kids to take
> responsibility for the consequences of their
> actions - not to whine or blame others. Sadly, I
> think I am very much in the minority these days.

If what you say is true, you are a better man than me. After finding out all the facts in this case, I would have gone to trial and buried the Alexandria Police department. What you call whining and blaming I would have called Justice and redemption for my child being shot and killed by a police officer who made multiple bad choices. I would stack my kids bad choices up against the officers bad choices and let a jury of his peers decide who was to blame.

We all raise our kids to take responsibilty and that choices have consequences. I have been blessed that my kids have all made good choices ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to think that ANY kid could not have got caught up in this type of scenario. For a simple misdemeanor of running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to getting shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.

I think we also have an expectation from our police officers. They are licensed to carry a deadly weapon and that they excercize that right judicially. The over riding factor in any shooting has to be that if and when they discharge their weapon there is NO other option left for them. In this case there were multiple options available to him. That is why he was disciplined with the worst punishment they could hand him without firing him. This is a tragic case and the most tragic thing is it could ALL have been avoided.

justice4kid Wrote:
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> For a simple misdemeanor of
> running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to getting
> shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.

Skipping out on an IHOP bill is in fact a misdemeanor. Attempting to run over anyone, police officer or not, is a felony. The question is not would the long hair freak got shot had he not run out on a bill, but would the grease ball have been shot had he not been riding in his loser friends car that was running down a cop. See the difference?

justice4kid Wrote:
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>
> If what you say is true, you are a better man than
> me.

Agreed.

> After finding out all the facts in this case,
> I would have gone to trial and buried the
> Alexandria Police department.

Cause anything bad that happens must be someone else's fault, and boy do you hope they have insurance.

> What you call
> whining and blaming I would have called Justice
> and redemption for my child being shot and killed
> by a police officer who made multiple bad choices.

Such as protecting himself from a fleeing felon?

> I would stack my kids bad choices up against the
> officers bad choices and let a jury of his peers
> decide who was to blame.
>
> We all raise our kids to take responsibilty and
> that choices have consequences.

Apparently not - I doubt someone raised that way would skip out on a check and start this chain of events.

> I have been
> blessed that my kids have all made good choices
> ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to think
> that ANY kid could not have got caught up in this
> type of scenario.

I agree with that.

>For a simple misdemeanor of
> running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to getting
> shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.

There you go again. He was not shot because he skipped on out a $26 bill - he was shot for attempted murder of a police officer.

>
> I think we also have an expectation from our
> police officers. They are licensed to carry a
> deadly weapon and that they excercize that right
> judicially.

Judiciously but whatever, I don't want to be a grammar troll.

>The over riding factor in any shooting
> has to be that if and when they discharge their
> weapon there is NO other option left for them.
> In this case there were multiple options available to
> him.

As you see it. Put you in a dark parking lot with a drunk trying to run you down - let's see how great your decisions look in the cold light of day.

> That is why he was disciplined with the
> worst punishment they could hand him without
> firing him. This is a tragic case and the most
> tragic thing is it could ALL have been avoided.

Yes - avoided by criminals not committed an escalating serious of crimes. You are probably the same guy that says the cop that shoots the kid waving a BB gun made to look like a .45 'should have known better'.

justice4kid Wrote:

> If what you say is true, you are a better man than
> me. After finding out all the facts in this case,
> I would have gone to trial and buried the
> Alexandria Police department. What you call
> whining and blaming I would have called Justice
> and redemption for my child being shot and killed
> by a police officer who made multiple bad choices.
> I would stack my kids bad choices up against the
> officers bad choices and let a jury of his peers
> decide who was to blame.
>
> We all raise our kids to take responsibilty and
> that choices have consequences. I have been
> blessed that my kids have all made good choices
> ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to think
> that ANY kid could not have got caught up in this
> type of scenario. For a simple misdemeanor of
> running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to getting
> shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.
>
> I think we also have an expectation from our
> police officers. They are licensed to carry a
> deadly weapon and that they excercize that right
> judicially. The over riding factor in any shooting
> has to be that if and when they discharge their
> weapon there is NO other option left for them. In
> this case there were multiple options available to
> him. That is why he was disciplined with the
> worst punishment they could hand him without
> firing him. This is a tragic case and the most
> tragic thing is it could ALL have been avoided.

1. You risk getting nothing if you go to trial which very easily could have happened in this case. They had MULTIPLE chances to realize alright we screwed up we got caught lets go pay. Instead they chose to keep escalating the situation.

2. He wasnt shot over pancakes for the 100th time he was shot because his friend decided to try and run the cop down. You obviously dont believe in personal responsibility if you think the officer is at fault here and should have just let them go.

3. No police arent only supposed to shoot when there is no other option. They can and will shoot if their life is in danger, someone elses life is endanger, the criminal has a weapon ect. It is not their job to risk their life and try and do everything possible to avoid a situation and just let people go so they dont put themselves in harms way. You have watched FAR to many tv cop shows if you think this.

He now works for the Obama administration as a secret service agent to help keeps hims from getting assassinated.

pathetic Wrote:
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> Ding an sich Wrote:
>
> > Were the 'KIDS' being PAID to follow the
> 'rules'?
> >
> > We're talking about a fucking cop, dumbshit.
> The
> > law is their job. They should make that piece
> of
> > shit a meter maid.
>
>
> They are laws "dumbshit", you dont follow them
> because youre being paid, you follow them because
> its a law. I guess next time a drunk driver kills
> someone everyone will just say that the other
> person shouldnt have been in the way, or if
> someone is murdered the victim should have just
> gotten out of the way of the bullets. Great
> society we live in today were its never the
> persons fault who was breaking the law.
>
> What I infer from this is you hate the police
> probably because you like drugs or have been
> busted doing something illegal before. Again only
> criminals would not understand the fact that the
> kids had to break several laws and had multiple
> chances to realize what they were doing was wrong
> and end the situation by complying but instead
> chose that the solution would be to try and run
> the cop over


Yes, LAWS. EXACTLY. Are you fucking retarded? Police are PAID to ENFORCE laws. Was the kid stealing food a cop? So then why the fuck are you suggesting that he should be held to the same standard? Look, if the kid HAD been a cop, I'd say he should've lost his badge as well. But he wasn't a cop, the guy that shot him was. Just because the person you do something wrong to has also done something wrong, doesn't negate the fact that you're still doing wrong. And when you're a cop, you should be punished for such an offense. This guy murdered someone. Fuck him, he shouldn't be a cop.
And fuck you if you're too stupid to see that.

Ding an sich Wrote:
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>
> Yes, LAWS. EXACTLY. Are you fucking retarded?
> Police are PAID to ENFORCE laws. Was the kid
> stealing food a cop? So then why the fuck are you
> suggesting that he should be held to the same
> standard? Look, if the kid HAD been a cop, I'd say
> he should've lost his badge as well. But he wasn't
> a cop, the guy that shot him was. Just because the
> person you do something wrong to has also done
> something wrong, doesn't negate the fact that
> you're still doing wrong. And when you're a cop,
> you should be punished for such an offense. This
> guy murdered someone. Fuck him, he shouldn't be a
> cop.
> And fuck you if you're too stupid to see that.


Someone sure hates the police, when were you busted?

The only people that think it was the cop who escalated the situation to what it became are criminals. He didnt murder anyone he shot in self defense when the driver decided to try and run him down.

The blame for what happens lies in this order
The Driver
The kids
No one else.

No one forced the kids to steal, no one forced them to disobey the cop, no one forced the driver to try and run the cop over. There actions were much more than a stupid mistake. If it was just a stupid mistake they would have listened to the cop and stopped, hell any one of them could have decided this is wrong im giving myself up and see if I can just pay for it if they wanted to. They all knowingly kept participating in the action and when you engage in criminal activity nothing good comes from it. The death while sad, was 100 percent preventable by the kids and the kids death is on everyone of those kids and especially the driver.

For the 100th time the kids had SEVERAL chances to stop what they were doing and everyone would still be alive today. They didnt just make a stupid mistake. They made a stupid mistake breaking the law, a huge mistake not listening to a cop, and then tried to commit a capital offense. But pots not bad for you right?

It's pretty clear the cop did us all a favor by eliminating some scum from society. Too bad he likely won't have the chance to rid us of the criminal apologists here.

Read what really happened and the punishment that the Police brought to the cop who "unreasonably placed himself in a position that allowed the situation to elevate to a level of high risk" when he stepped in front of the Jeep. The Police department punished the cop because he used poor judgement. He should not have stepped in front of the Jeep!! You can try and justify it anyway you want, THE COP SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT HIMSELF IN THE SITUATION... IT IS HIS FAULT!




Officer Disciplined in IHOP Shooting

Aaron Brown, 18, was shot and killed last February.


ALEXANDRIA, Va. - An Alexandria police officer who shot and killed a teenager last year will be disciplined, but not fired, police officials announced on Tuesday. Officer Carl Stowe was working as a security guard when he fired shots, killing 18-year-old Aaron Brown in a Duke Street IHOP parking lot on Feb. 25.

Police Chief David Baker is not commenting on the decision, but police spokesman Jamie Bartlett says Stowe faces major discipline -- the maximum penalty short of being fired.

Police officials are not revealing the length of the suspension, but Bartlett says the suspension is more than three but less than 30 days off without pay.

The shooting occurred after a group of teens left the restaurant allegedly after failing to pay their bill.

Stowe, a 13-year veteran of the force, fired at the teens' Jeep as it drove toward him.

An internal police investigation found that Officer Stowe acted within department policy in his decision to use lethal force in self-defense, but found Stowe "unreasonably placed himself in a position that allowed the situation to elevate to a level of high risk" when he stepped in front of the Jeep.

As a result of the incident, Alexandria Police changed their policy to prohibit officers from stepping in front of moving vehicles. Officers are also prohibited from firing at moving vehicles, except as a last resort.

The Brown family says they feel "somewhat vindicated" upon learning of Chief Baker's decision.

"Aaron Brown would not have died if Officer Stowe had followed his police department's rules," the family announced in a statement through their attorney. "We are also pleased that Chief Baker has announced a new policy...we hope this prevents other needless deaths."

If you visit that area you'll see why firing at anything moving vehicle should have only happened as a last resort aka the people inside had weapons and were firing or something of that nature. In that parking lot, if you miss, there are plenty of people and moving cars around that could easily be hit.

In a case of dine and dash, you don't step out in front of a car then blast it and claim self defense. You get plate numbers and at least a description of the occupants and vehicle and follow and arrest or call it in.

Someone missed free pancake day

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/842543/843865.html#msg-843865

pathetic Wrote:
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> Ding an sich Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Yes, LAWS. EXACTLY. Are you fucking retarded?
> > Police are PAID to ENFORCE laws. Was the kid
> > stealing food a cop? So then why the fuck are
> you
> > suggesting that he should be held to the same
> > standard? Look, if the kid HAD been a cop, I'd
> say
> > he should've lost his badge as well. But he
> wasn't
> > a cop, the guy that shot him was. Just because
> the
> > person you do something wrong to has also done
> > something wrong, doesn't negate the fact that
> > you're still doing wrong. And when you're a
> cop,
> > you should be punished for such an offense.
> This
> > guy murdered someone. Fuck him, he shouldn't be
> a
> > cop.
> > And fuck you if you're too stupid to see that.
>
>
> Someone sure hates the police, when were you
> busted?
>
> The only people that think it was the cop who
> escalated the situation to what it became are
> criminals. He didnt murder anyone he shot in self
> defense when the driver decided to try and run him
> down.
>
> The blame for what happens lies in this order
> The Driver
> The kids
> No one else.
>
> No one forced the kids to steal, no one forced
> them to disobey the cop, no one forced the driver
> to try and run the cop over. There actions were
> much more than a stupid mistake. If it was just a
> stupid mistake they would have listened to the cop
> and stopped, hell any one of them could have
> decided this is wrong im giving myself up and see
> if I can just pay for it if they wanted to. They
> all knowingly kept participating in the action and
> when you engage in criminal activity nothing good
> comes from it. The death while sad, was 100
> percent preventable by the kids and the kids death
> is on everyone of those kids and especially the
> driver.
>
> For the 100th time the kids had SEVERAL chances to
> stop what they were doing and everyone would still
> be alive today. They didnt just make a stupid
> mistake. They made a stupid mistake breaking the
> law, a huge mistake not listening to a cop, and
> then tried to commit a capital offense. But pots
> not bad for you right?


The dumbass cop stepped in front of the car. If he's that stupid, he should've been the one to die.

much more intelligent than you Wrote:

> The dumbass cop stepped in front of the car. If
> he's that stupid, he should've been the one to
> die.


Yea clearly thats the issue not the stealing, being high/drunk and driving, not listening to the police, not stopping when someone is in front of the car.

Whatd they bust you for?

pathetic Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> much more intelligent than you Wrote:
>
> > The dumbass cop stepped in front of the car. If
> > he's that stupid, he should've been the one to
> > die.
>
>
> Yea clearly thats the issue not the stealing,
> being high/drunk and driving, not listening to the
> police, not stopping when someone is in front of
> the car.

Maybe we should shoot jay-walkers as well, if they don't stop after walking in front of them...
It was a meal, not a priceless collection of diamonds.


> Whatd they bust you for?

What are you talking about..?

Look, there is no justification for shooting people who steal pancakes.

However, when you insert yourself in a situation that includes someone with a gun, and make a move that may be interperted as threatening, tragic things occur.

Whatever lead the check skipper to that fateful moment, it is important to remember that if you don't want to get shot, do not get involved with people with guns.

The police around here have a reputation for itchy trigger fingers. If you can't behave , you should at least know when to give in. Okay, I stole a meal, and now the cop is trying to stop me.

Knowing what you do about cops and their questionable use of force, it seems kind of stupid to tempt fate. The guy who got shot was a douche that could have run over an unsuspecting patron walking in the parking lot.

While the cop may have over reacted , this idiot still put himself there.

I go to IHOP , and there is one less asshole who'll run ME over in the parking lot.

And thats ok with me.

oh puh-lease Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> justice4kid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > If what you say is true, you are a better man
> than
> > me.
>
> Agreed. AFTER READING YOUR RESPONSES I KNOW THIS IS FALSE.
>
> > After finding out all the facts in this case,
> > I would have gone to trial and buried the
> > Alexandria Police department.
>
> Cause anything bad that happens must be someone
> else's fault, and boy do you hope they have
> insurance.

BECAUSE HIS OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT ADMITTED THAT THE COP FUCKED UP AND PUNISHED HIM FOR ELEVATING THE SITUATION WITH THE HARSHEST PENALTY SHORT OF FIRING. READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE. AGAIN YOUR OPINION VERSUS FACTS. THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CHIEF ON THE WITNESS STAND BEING CROSSED EXAMINED. TELLING THE JURY, "YES, OFFICER STOWE WAS WRONG!!! HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE STEPPED IN FRONT OF THE JEEP"

"THAT IS WHY I ADMINISTERED THE HARSHEST PENALTY SHORT OF FIRING HIM"

"YES THIS WHOLE TRADGEDY COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF OFFICER STOWE HAD USED BETTER JUDGEMENT"
>
> > What you call
> > whining and blaming I would have called Justice
> > and redemption for my child being shot and
> killed
> > by a police officer who made multiple bad
> choices.
>
> Such as protecting himself from a fleeing felon? AGAIN YOUR OPINION VERSUS THE POLICE CAPTAIN WHO PUNISHED STOWE AND BLAMED HIM FOR ELEVATING THE SITUATION. AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE
>
>
> > I would stack my kids bad choices up against
> the
> > officers bad choices and let a jury of his
> peers
> > decide who was to blame.
> >
> > We all raise our kids to take responsibilty and
> > that choices have consequences.
>
> Apparently not - I doubt someone raised that way
> would skip out on a check and start this chain of
> events. I LOVE THIS!! YOUR KIDS NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG? MY KID WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS. I SEE YOUR TYPE ALL THE TIME, MY KID WOULD NEVER BE DRINKING AT THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE, MEANWHILE THEY ARE THE ONES BRINGING THE SHIT INTO THE HOUSE.
>
> > I have been
> > blessed that my kids have all made good choices
> > ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to
> think
> > that ANY kid could not have got caught up in
> this
> > type of scenario.
>
> I agree with that.

HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS WHEN THE WHOLE TIME YOU ARE PREACHING IF AARON HAD BEEN RAISED CORRECTLY THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, RIGHT HERE. THESE KIDS MADE A DUMB DECISION, AND YES, COMPOUNDED IT BY FAILING TO STOP WHEN STOWE APPROACHED. MADE ANOTHER STUPID DECISION TO GET INTO THE CAR AND TRY TO DRIVE AWAY. BUT THESE ARE TEENAGE KIDS. LIKE WE AGREED, HERE THEY GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE SITUATION. STOWE IS A 13 YEAR POLICE VETERAN, TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS... COUPLE OF KIDS PROBABLY IMPAIRED (IT IS 4AM) NOT THINKING CORRECTLY WALKING OUT ON THE BILL. HE ASKS THEM TO STOP, THEY KEEP GOING... WALKS OUTSIDE SEES THEY ARE GETTING INTO A JEEP.. THEY START TO DRIVE AWAY... HE WALKS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE PARKED CARS AND STANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT SIGNALING THEM TO STOP. THEY TURN THE CORNER AND HEAD TOWARD HIM AND THE ONLY EXIT... THIS IS WHERE HE TRULY FUCKS UP AND WHY HE WAS PUNISHED FOR NOT USING GOOD JUDGEMENT... HE CONTINUES TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT.. THE JEEP SPEEDS UP.. INSTEAD OF MOVING TO THE SIDE ... INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK TO THE SAFETY OF THE PARKED CARS... HE STAYS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT... UNTIL THE CAR SPEEDING TOWARD HIM MAKES HIM FEEL AS IF HIS LIFE IS IN DANGER AND HE PULLS HIS WEAPON AND WITH A 2 HAND GRIP ON THE GLOCK AUTO FIRES 6 SHOTS AT THE JEEP HITTING IT FROM THE FRONT BUMPER ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SIDE AND MSSING BEHIND IT. THIS CAUSES THE JEEP TO CRASH INTO PARKED CARS
>
> >For a simple misdemeanor of
> > running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to
> getting
> > shot by a police officer is simply unbelievable.
>
>
> There you go again. He was not shot because he
> skipped on out a $26 bill - he was shot for
> attempted murder of a police officer.

NO THERE YOU GO AGAIN!! THE FACTS ARE THAT STOWE PUT HIMSELF IN DANGER AND ELEVATED THE SITUATION (NOT MY WORDS THE POLICE CAPTAIN'S WORDS WHEN PUNISHING STOWE FOR POOR JUDGEMENT) AGAIN YOUR OPINION VERSUS THE FACTS.. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH FACTS STOWE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DIFFUSE THE SITUATION BY SIMPLY STEPPING OUT OF THE WAY.. INSTEAD HE ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE ENDED UP FIRING 6 TIMES INTO A PASSING CAR.
>
> >
> > I think we also have an expectation from our
> > police officers. They are licensed to carry a
> > deadly weapon and that they excercize that
> right
> > judicially.
>
> Judiciously but whatever, I don't want to be a
> grammar troll.

AGAIN YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH FACTS SO LETS POINT OUT A GRAMMAR ERROR. NEVER MIND THE ERROR THE COP MADE IN KILLING A KID, YOU SPELLED A WORD WRONG
>
> >The over riding factor in any shooting
> > has to be that if and when they discharge their
> > weapon there is NO other option left for them.
>
> > In this case there were multiple options
> available to
> > him.
>
> As you see it. Put you in a dark parking lot with
> a drunk trying to run you down - let's see how
> great your decisions look in the cold light of
> day.

SO ARE YOU JUSTIFYING THE KILLING HERE? THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE DARK PARKING LOT OR IF HE WANTED TO BE IN THE DARK PARKING LOT HE COULD HAVE BEEN TO THE SIDE WRITING DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER GETTING A DESCRIPTION OF THE KIDS AND JEEP. INSTEAD HE ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE SAW HIS ONLY OPTION WAS TO FIRE HIS WEAPON. HE MADE A CHOICE AND IT WAS THE WRONG ONE.. AGAIN NOT MY OPINION BUT THE OPINION OF THE ALEXANDRIA POLICE DEPARTMENT
>
> > That is why he was disciplined with the
> > worst punishment they could hand him without
> > firing him. This is a tragic case and the most
> > tragic thing is it could ALL have been avoided.
>
> Yes - avoided by criminals not committed an
> escalating serious of crimes. You are probably
> the same guy that says the cop that shoots the kid
> waving a BB gun made to look like a .45 'should
> have known better'.

AGAIN HERE IS WHERE YOU GO BACK TO CALLING THESE KIDS CRIMINALS. I THOUGHT WE AGREED ABOVE THAT ANY KIDS COULD GET CAUGHT UP IN A SCENARIO OF MAKING BAD CHOICES AND COMPOUNDING THEM BY CONTINUING TO MAKE BAD CHOICES. WHAT WE EXPECT IS THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES ANYONE WHO MAY BE IMPAIRED AND NOT USING GOOD JUDGENMENT TO TAKE THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH... NOT GO WILD WEST ON THEM STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM ORDERING THEM TO STOP... AND WHEN THEY DON'T.. GUN THEM DOWN BY FIRING 6 SHOTS INTO THEIR CAR. I CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE THINKS THAT IS OK BEHAVIOR FOR A POLICE OFFICER

The only tragedy here is that three of them walked away.

justice4kid Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> oh puh-lease Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justice4kid Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > If what you say is true, you are a better man
> > than
> > > me.
> >
> > Agreed. AFTER READING YOUR RESPONSES I KNOW THIS
> IS FALSE.
> >
> > > After finding out all the facts in this case,
> > > I would have gone to trial and buried the
> > > Alexandria Police department.
> >
> > Cause anything bad that happens must be someone
> > else's fault, and boy do you hope they have
> > insurance.
>
> BECAUSE HIS OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT ADMITTED THAT
> THE COP FUCKED UP AND PUNISHED HIM FOR ELEVATING
> THE SITUATION WITH THE HARSHEST PENALTY SHORT OF
> FIRING. READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE. AGAIN YOUR
> OPINION VERSUS FACTS. THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CHIEF
> ON THE WITNESS STAND BEING CROSSED EXAMINED.
> TELLING THE JURY, "YES, OFFICER STOWE WAS WRONG!!!
> HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE STEPPED IN FRONT OF THE JEEP"
>
>
> "THAT IS WHY I ADMINISTERED THE HARSHEST PENALTY
> SHORT OF FIRING HIM"
>
> "YES THIS WHOLE TRADGEDY COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED
> IF OFFICER STOWE HAD USED BETTER JUDGEMENT"
> >
> > > What you call
> > > whining and blaming I would have called
> Justice
> > > and redemption for my child being shot and
> > killed
> > > by a police officer who made multiple bad
> > choices.
> >
> > Such as protecting himself from a fleeing felon?
> AGAIN YOUR OPINION VERSUS THE POLICE CAPTAIN WHO
> PUNISHED STOWE AND BLAMED HIM FOR ELEVATING THE
> SITUATION. AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE
> >
> >
> > > I would stack my kids bad choices up against
> > the
> > > officers bad choices and let a jury of his
> > peers
> > > decide who was to blame.
> > >
> > > We all raise our kids to take responsibilty
> and
> > > that choices have consequences.
> >
> > Apparently not - I doubt someone raised that
> way
> > would skip out on a check and start this chain
> of
> > events. I LOVE THIS!! YOUR KIDS NEVER DO
> ANYTHING WRONG? MY KID WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING
> LIKE THIS. I SEE YOUR TYPE ALL THE TIME, MY KID
> WOULD NEVER BE DRINKING AT THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE,
> MEANWHILE THEY ARE THE ONES BRINGING THE SHIT INTO
> THE HOUSE.
> >
> > > I have been
> > > blessed that my kids have all made good
> choices
> > > ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to
> > think
> > > that ANY kid could not have got caught up in
> > this
> > > type of scenario.
> >
> > I agree with that.
>
> HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS WHEN THE WHOLE TIME
> YOU ARE PREACHING IF AARON HAD BEEN RAISED
> CORRECTLY THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THIS IS
> WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, RIGHT HERE.
> THESE KIDS MADE A DUMB DECISION, AND YES,
> COMPOUNDED IT BY FAILING TO STOP WHEN STOWE
> APPROACHED. MADE ANOTHER STUPID DECISION TO GET
> INTO THE CAR AND TRY TO DRIVE AWAY. BUT THESE ARE
> TEENAGE KIDS. LIKE WE AGREED, HERE THEY GOT CAUGHT
> UP IN THE SITUATION. STOWE IS A 13 YEAR POLICE
> VETERAN, TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF
> SITUATIONS... COUPLE OF KIDS PROBABLY IMPAIRED (IT
> IS 4AM) NOT THINKING CORRECTLY WALKING OUT ON THE
> BILL. HE ASKS THEM TO STOP, THEY KEEP GOING...
> WALKS OUTSIDE SEES THEY ARE GETTING INTO A JEEP..
> THEY START TO DRIVE AWAY... HE WALKS ACROSS THE
> PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE PARKED CARS AND STANDS IN
> THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT SIGNALING THEM TO
> STOP. THEY TURN THE CORNER AND HEAD TOWARD HIM
> AND THE ONLY EXIT... THIS IS WHERE HE TRULY FUCKS
> UP AND WHY HE WAS PUNISHED FOR NOT USING GOOD
> JUDGEMENT... HE CONTINUES TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE
> OF THE PARKING LOT.. THE JEEP SPEEDS UP.. INSTEAD
> OF MOVING TO THE SIDE ... INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK
> TO THE SAFETY OF THE PARKED CARS... HE STAYS THERE
> IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT... UNTIL THE CAR
> SPEEDING TOWARD HIM MAKES HIM FEEL AS IF HIS LIFE
> IS IN DANGER AND HE PULLS HIS WEAPON AND WITH A 2
> HAND GRIP ON THE GLOCK AUTO FIRES 6 SHOTS AT THE
> JEEP HITTING IT FROM THE FRONT BUMPER ALL THE WAY
> DOWN THE SIDE AND MSSING BEHIND IT. THIS CAUSES
> THE JEEP TO CRASH INTO PARKED CARS
> >
> > >For a simple misdemeanor of
> > > running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to
> > getting
> > > shot by a police officer is simply
> unbelievable.
> >
> >
> > There you go again. He was not shot because he
> > skipped on out a $26 bill - he was shot for
> > attempted murder of a police officer.
>
> NO THERE YOU GO AGAIN!! THE FACTS ARE THAT STOWE
> PUT HIMSELF IN DANGER AND ELEVATED THE SITUATION
> (NOT MY WORDS THE POLICE CAPTAIN'S WORDS WHEN
> PUNISHING STOWE FOR POOR JUDGEMENT) AGAIN YOUR
> OPINION VERSUS THE FACTS.. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH
> FACTS STOWE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DIFFUSE THE
> SITUATION BY SIMPLY STEPPING OUT OF THE WAY..
> INSTEAD HE ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE
> ENDED UP FIRING 6 TIMES INTO A PASSING CAR.
> >
> > >
> > > I think we also have an expectation from our
> > > police officers. They are licensed to carry a
> > > deadly weapon and that they excercize that
> > right
> > > judicially.
> >
> > Judiciously but whatever, I don't want to be a
> > grammar troll.
>
> AGAIN YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH FACTS SO LETS POINT
> OUT A GRAMMAR ERROR. NEVER MIND THE ERROR THE COP
> MADE IN KILLING A KID, YOU SPELLED A WORD WRONG
> >
> > >The over riding factor in any shooting
> > > has to be that if and when they discharge
> their
> > > weapon there is NO other option left for them.
>
> >
> > > In this case there were multiple options
> > available to
> > > him.
> >
> > As you see it. Put you in a dark parking lot
> with
> > a drunk trying to run you down - let's see how
> > great your decisions look in the cold light of
> > day.
>
> SO ARE YOU JUSTIFYING THE KILLING HERE? THE
> PROBLEM WITH THAT IS HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE
> DARK PARKING LOT OR IF HE WANTED TO BE IN THE DARK
> PARKING LOT HE COULD HAVE BEEN TO THE SIDE WRITING
> DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER GETTING A
> DESCRIPTION OF THE KIDS AND JEEP. INSTEAD HE
> ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE SAW HIS ONLY
> OPTION WAS TO FIRE HIS WEAPON. HE MADE A CHOICE
> AND IT WAS THE WRONG ONE.. AGAIN NOT MY OPINION
> BUT THE OPINION OF THE ALEXANDRIA POLICE
> DEPARTMENT
> >
> > > That is why he was disciplined with the
> > > worst punishment they could hand him without
> > > firing him. This is a tragic case and the
> most
> > > tragic thing is it could ALL have been
> avoided.
> >
> > Yes - avoided by criminals not committed an
> > escalating serious of crimes. You are probably
> > the same guy that says the cop that shoots the
> kid
> > waving a BB gun made to look like a .45 'should
> > have known better'.
>
> AGAIN HERE IS WHERE YOU GO BACK TO CALLING THESE
> KIDS CRIMINALS. I THOUGHT WE AGREED ABOVE THAT ANY
> KIDS COULD GET CAUGHT UP IN A SCENARIO OF MAKING
> BAD CHOICES AND COMPOUNDING THEM BY CONTINUING TO
> MAKE BAD CHOICES. WHAT WE EXPECT IS THAT OUR LAW
> ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES
> ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES ANYONE WHO MAY BE
> IMPAIRED AND NOT USING GOOD JUDGENMENT TO TAKE THE
> CONSERVATIVE APPROACH... NOT GO WILD WEST ON THEM
> STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM ORDERING THEM TO STOP...
> AND WHEN THEY DON'T.. GUN THEM DOWN BY FIRING 6
> SHOTS INTO THEIR CAR. I CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE
> THINKS THAT IS OK BEHAVIOR FOR A POLICE OFFICER

Dude chill out. Most of the people who agree with the officer's actions are either trolls, wannabe Rambo military posers who are cops, or just gun toting morons who think that Northern Virginia area is like the west side of Chicago.

justice4kid Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> oh puh-lease Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justice4kid Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > If what you say is true, you are a better man
> > than
> > > me.
> >
> > Agreed. AFTER READING YOUR RESPONSES I KNOW THIS
> IS FALSE.
> >
> > > After finding out all the facts in this case,
> > > I would have gone to trial and buried the
> > > Alexandria Police department.
> >
> > Cause anything bad that happens must be someone
> > else's fault, and boy do you hope they have
> > insurance.
>
> BECAUSE HIS OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT ADMITTED THAT
> THE COP FUCKED UP AND PUNISHED HIM FOR ELEVATING
> THE SITUATION WITH THE HARSHEST PENALTY SHORT OF
> FIRING. READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE. AGAIN YOUR
> OPINION VERSUS FACTS. THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CHIEF
> ON THE WITNESS STAND BEING CROSSED EXAMINED.
> TELLING THE JURY, "YES, OFFICER STOWE WAS WRONG!!!
> HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE STEPPED IN FRONT OF THE JEEP"
>
>
> "THAT IS WHY I ADMINISTERED THE HARSHEST PENALTY
> SHORT OF FIRING HIM"
>
> "YES THIS WHOLE TRADGEDY COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED
> IF OFFICER STOWE HAD USED BETTER JUDGEMENT"
> >
> > > What you call
> > > whining and blaming I would have called
> Justice
> > > and redemption for my child being shot and
> > killed
> > > by a police officer who made multiple bad
> > choices.
> >
> > Such as protecting himself from a fleeing felon?
> AGAIN YOUR OPINION VERSUS THE POLICE CAPTAIN WHO
> PUNISHED STOWE AND BLAMED HIM FOR ELEVATING THE
> SITUATION. AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE
> >
> >
> > > I would stack my kids bad choices up against
> > the
> > > officers bad choices and let a jury of his
> > peers
> > > decide who was to blame.
> > >
> > > We all raise our kids to take responsibilty
> and
> > > that choices have consequences.
> >
> > Apparently not - I doubt someone raised that
> way
> > would skip out on a check and start this chain
> of
> > events. I LOVE THIS!! YOUR KIDS NEVER DO
> ANYTHING WRONG? MY KID WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING
> LIKE THIS. I SEE YOUR TYPE ALL THE TIME, MY KID
> WOULD NEVER BE DRINKING AT THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE,
> MEANWHILE THEY ARE THE ONES BRINGING THE SHIT INTO
> THE HOUSE.
> >
> > > I have been
> > > blessed that my kids have all made good
> choices
> > > ... SO FAR.. but I am not arrogant enough to
> > think
> > > that ANY kid could not have got caught up in
> > this
> > > type of scenario.
> >
> > I agree with that.
>
> HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS WHEN THE WHOLE TIME
> YOU ARE PREACHING IF AARON HAD BEEN RAISED
> CORRECTLY THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THIS IS
> WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, RIGHT HERE.
> THESE KIDS MADE A DUMB DECISION, AND YES,
> COMPOUNDED IT BY FAILING TO STOP WHEN STOWE
> APPROACHED. MADE ANOTHER STUPID DECISION TO GET
> INTO THE CAR AND TRY TO DRIVE AWAY. BUT THESE ARE
> TEENAGE KIDS. LIKE WE AGREED, HERE THEY GOT CAUGHT
> UP IN THE SITUATION. STOWE IS A 13 YEAR POLICE
> VETERAN, TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF
> SITUATIONS... COUPLE OF KIDS PROBABLY IMPAIRED (IT
> IS 4AM) NOT THINKING CORRECTLY WALKING OUT ON THE
> BILL. HE ASKS THEM TO STOP, THEY KEEP GOING...
> WALKS OUTSIDE SEES THEY ARE GETTING INTO A JEEP..
> THEY START TO DRIVE AWAY... HE WALKS ACROSS THE
> PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE PARKED CARS AND STANDS IN
> THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT SIGNALING THEM TO
> STOP. THEY TURN THE CORNER AND HEAD TOWARD HIM
> AND THE ONLY EXIT... THIS IS WHERE HE TRULY FUCKS
> UP AND WHY HE WAS PUNISHED FOR NOT USING GOOD
> JUDGEMENT... HE CONTINUES TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE
> OF THE PARKING LOT.. THE JEEP SPEEDS UP.. INSTEAD
> OF MOVING TO THE SIDE ... INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK
> TO THE SAFETY OF THE PARKED CARS... HE STAYS THERE
> IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT... UNTIL THE CAR
> SPEEDING TOWARD HIM MAKES HIM FEEL AS IF HIS LIFE
> IS IN DANGER AND HE PULLS HIS WEAPON AND WITH A 2
> HAND GRIP ON THE GLOCK AUTO FIRES 6 SHOTS AT THE
> JEEP HITTING IT FROM THE FRONT BUMPER ALL THE WAY
> DOWN THE SIDE AND MSSING BEHIND IT. THIS CAUSES
> THE JEEP TO CRASH INTO PARKED CARS
> >
> > >For a simple misdemeanor of
> > > running out on a $26 dollar IHOP bill to
> > getting
> > > shot by a police officer is simply
> unbelievable.
> >
> >
> > There you go again. He was not shot because he
> > skipped on out a $26 bill - he was shot for
> > attempted murder of a police officer.
>
> NO THERE YOU GO AGAIN!! THE FACTS ARE THAT STOWE
> PUT HIMSELF IN DANGER AND ELEVATED THE SITUATION
> (NOT MY WORDS THE POLICE CAPTAIN'S WORDS WHEN
> PUNISHING STOWE FOR POOR JUDGEMENT) AGAIN YOUR
> OPINION VERSUS THE FACTS.. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH
> FACTS STOWE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DIFFUSE THE
> SITUATION BY SIMPLY STEPPING OUT OF THE WAY..
> INSTEAD HE ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE
> ENDED UP FIRING 6 TIMES INTO A PASSING CAR.
> >
> > >
> > > I think we also have an expectation from our
> > > police officers. They are licensed to carry a
> > > deadly weapon and that they excercize that
> > right
> > > judicially.
> >
> > Judiciously but whatever, I don't want to be a
> > grammar troll.
>
> AGAIN YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH FACTS SO LETS POINT
> OUT A GRAMMAR ERROR. NEVER MIND THE ERROR THE COP
> MADE IN KILLING A KID, YOU SPELLED A WORD WRONG
> >
> > >The over riding factor in any shooting
> > > has to be that if and when they discharge
> their
> > > weapon there is NO other option left for them.
>
> >
> > > In this case there were multiple options
> > available to
> > > him.
> >
> > As you see it. Put you in a dark parking lot
> with
> > a drunk trying to run you down - let's see how
> > great your decisions look in the cold light of
> > day.
>
> SO ARE YOU JUSTIFYING THE KILLING HERE? THE
> PROBLEM WITH THAT IS HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE
> DARK PARKING LOT OR IF HE WANTED TO BE IN THE DARK
> PARKING LOT HE COULD HAVE BEEN TO THE SIDE WRITING
> DOWN THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER GETTING A
> DESCRIPTION OF THE KIDS AND JEEP. INSTEAD HE
> ELEVATED THE SITUATION TO WHERE HE SAW HIS ONLY
> OPTION WAS TO FIRE HIS WEAPON. HE MADE A CHOICE
> AND IT WAS THE WRONG ONE.. AGAIN NOT MY OPINION
> BUT THE OPINION OF THE ALEXANDRIA POLICE
> DEPARTMENT
> >
> > > That is why he was disciplined with the
> > > worst punishment they could hand him without
> > > firing him. This is a tragic case and the
> most
> > > tragic thing is it could ALL have been
> avoided.
> >
> > Yes - avoided by criminals not committed an
> > escalating serious of crimes. You are probably
> > the same guy that says the cop that shoots the
> kid
> > waving a BB gun made to look like a .45 'should
> > have known better'.
>
> AGAIN HERE IS WHERE YOU GO BACK TO CALLING THESE
> KIDS CRIMINALS. I THOUGHT WE AGREED ABOVE THAT ANY
> KIDS COULD GET CAUGHT UP IN A SCENARIO OF MAKING
> BAD CHOICES AND COMPOUNDING THEM BY CONTINUING TO
> MAKE BAD CHOICES. WHAT WE EXPECT IS THAT OUR LAW
> ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES
> ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES ANYONE WHO MAY BE
> IMPAIRED AND NOT USING GOOD JUDGENMENT TO TAKE THE
> CONSERVATIVE APPROACH... NOT GO WILD WEST ON THEM
> STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM ORDERING THEM TO STOP...
> AND WHEN THEY DON'T.. GUN THEM DOWN BY FIRING 6
> SHOTS INTO THEIR CAR. I CANNOT BELIEVE ANYONE
> THINKS THAT IS OK BEHAVIOR FOR A POLICE OFFICER

tl;dr

justice4kid Wrote:
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>
> AGAIN HERE IS WHERE YOU GO BACK TO CALLING THESE
> KIDS CRIMINALS. I THOUGHT WE AGREED ABOVE THAT ANY
> KIDS COULD GET CAUGHT UP IN A SCENARIO OF MAKING
> BAD CHOICES AND COMPOUNDING THEM BY CONTINUING TO
> MAKE BAD CHOICES.

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? 'Bad choices' sounds like you picked the wrong line to wait on at the bank or the wrong entree at a restaurant. You say bad choices, I say crimes. Virginia Code says crimes. Criminal killed in the act of committing a felony. Drunk, stoned, out at 4AM committing crimes - that's no 'kid' my friend.

Look at the bright side
The kid had a righteous last meal
The cop got some target practice
and there is one less violent thief in the world

Lets celebrate..the pancakes are on me!

I'm not sure who is intellectually inferior in this thread between

A. The people who are arguing that a teenager's death is justifiable while sitting in the back-seat of a car after a dine-and-dash. Either these people are stupid or are very good at provoking mentally inept people.

or

B. The people trying to convince those in Group A that their arguments are fundamentally flawed. There is no use in convincing the people of group A who lack a basic understanding of common reason, physics, and law to come to a rational conclusion of the events presented.

People who argue like those in Group A have realized that the internet is a forum for one-dimensional arguments without putting their face on the issue. It's easy to claim "that kid should have died because he stole eggs and pancakes" out here. No one would make these claims in a real-world setting because most reasonable people would laugh and shake their heads (like I did when I read some of these responses). But it's actually equally amusing to watch the people of Group B try to reason with those in Group A.

Now I'll wait for someone to respond with "Group C is the most retarded..." (losers..)

"HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS WHEN THE WHOLE TIME YOU ARE PREACHING IF AARON HAD BEEN RAISED CORRECTLY THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, RIGHT HERE. THESE KIDS MADE A DUMB DECISION, AND YES, COMPOUNDED IT BY FAILING TO STOP WHEN STOWE APPROACHED. MADE ANOTHER STUPID DECISION TO GET INTO THE CAR AND TRY TO DRIVE AWAY. BUT THESE ARE TEENAGE KIDS. LIKE WE AGREED, HERE THEY GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE SITUATION. STOWE IS A 13 YEAR POLICE VETERAN, TRAINED IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS... COUPLE OF KIDS PROBABLY IMPAIRED (IT IS 4AM) NOT THINKING CORRECTLY WALKING OUT ON THE BILL. HE ASKS THEM TO STOP, THEY KEEP GOING... WALKS OUTSIDE SEES THEY ARE GETTING INTO A JEEP.. THEY START TO DRIVE AWAY... HE WALKS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE PARKED CARS AND STANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT SIGNALING THEM TO STOP. THEY TURN THE CORNER AND HEAD TOWARD HIM AND THE ONLY EXIT... THIS IS WHERE HE TRULY FUCKS UP AND WHY HE WAS PUNISHED FOR NOT USING GOOD JUDGEMENT... HE CONTINUES TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT.. THE JEEP SPEEDS UP.. INSTEAD OF MOVING TO THE SIDE ... INSTEAD OF MOVING BACK TO THE SAFETY OF THE PARKED CARS... HE STAYS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT... UNTIL THE CAR SPEEDING TOWARD HIM MAKES HIM FEEL AS IF HIS LIFE IS IN DANGER AND HE PULLS HIS WEAPON AND WITH A 2 HAND GRIP ON THE GLOCK AUTO FIRES 6 SHOTS AT THE JEEP HITTING IT FROM THE FRONT BUMPER ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SIDE AND MSSING BEHIND IT. THIS CAUSES THE JEEP TO CRASH INTO PARKED CARS "



This is truely the dumbest paragraph of this entire thread. I just love how you yourself admit the kids speed the car up when the cop was standing in front telling them to stop and you blame the cop for not moving instead of the kids trying to run him over.

By your same logic all the kids in the car should have moved out of the way of the bullets after all what were they doing standing in the way of bullets. Rape victims should just get out of the way of dicks.

Yea who cares they stole, who cares they were driving drunk and high, who cares they didnt listen to a cop, who cares they tried to kill a cop. Screw personal responsibility people should just be allowed to commit whatever crimes they want and the cops should let them go if they dont feel like going to jail.

This thread gets dumber and dumber as it goes on and it has now been confirmed that people in ADC must be all over this thread because only criminals could have such stupid opinions. He was also only suspended just because its easier to do that then listen to a bunch of whiners outside who dont believe in personal responsibility at all and its always the other persons fault helicopter moms protesting out front. If they felt hed actually done anything wrong he would have been fired

good shot Wrote:
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> The only tragedy here is that three of them walked
> away.

I read in the report that at least one of them left enough money on the table to pay their share of the check. How did the cop know which one not to shoot?

Awesome

I said it once I'll say it again most of the people who agree with the officer's actions are either trolls, wannabe Rambo military posers who are cops, or just gun toting morons who think that Northern Virginia area is like the west side of Chicago.

I love how so many people know EXACTLY what happened on that night. A reading of the different witness statements as summarized in the prosecutor's report shows there are significant disagreements over exactly what happened, and no witness's statements seems to fit perfectly with the physical evidence. The prosecutor's report reads more like a brief for the defense of the police officer than an objective analysis of what actually happened. As for the versions being sold by the kids/family after the incident, let's just say there is a great deal that gets conveniently omitted. (Does anyone know if any of the kids other than the driver or the deceased was checked for alcohol or drugs?) In any event it seems that many people here ON BOTH SIDES are seeing what they want to see out of this event.

it's not really rocket science, Bill.

everyone should see it's kinda stupid to go into an IHOP and not pay for yr shit, plain and simple.

and you shouldnt try to kill a cop with yr car - if you do you MIGHT get shot at..........y'know, being an escaping felon and all at that point:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-817

I could see dumb kids doing an IHOP thing but most "good kids doing dumb things" dont run down cops.

Either way, it's funny to see ppl like "justice" up there saying he'd be all mad at the cops for harming his wee 'lil angel for robbing a retail establishment (Enable Much?). When y'all are out there tomorrow complaining about all the entitled brats you are going to run into..................well you know who to blame now LoLz.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/29/2012 08:10PM by Gordon Blvd.

Thank you Gordon for beautifully illustrating my point. The assumption that the driver was trying to run down the police officer is certainly one that could reasonably be drawn from the witness statements. However you could just as easily assume from the same statements and other evidence that the driver was trying to avoid hitting the officer, or that the driver was so startled by the whole situation of having an officer suddenly standing in his way (remember he confessed to drug violations and there was alcohol in the vehicle so we don't know if that affected his mental processes) that he didn't formulate any kind of plan at all for dealing with someone who suddenly appeared in his path when he came around the turn. With three reasonable alternatives, all equally supportable by the evidence, which one you choose is an indication of where you are starting from.

Makes me glad to know the cop took the garbage out. Keep up the good work!

The male teenage brain has not yet fully developed until at least twenty two. They can't reason. Now take a nerdy Boy Scout who wants to impress a girl. I mean he must have been a dork. So he gets this lame idea to impress the girl and does a dine and dash. His male sexed brain is thinking about pussy. In no way does he think a REAL cop works at IHOP. He took the risk for pussy. He lost.

Lesson learned: FC cops don't know the male teenage brain. It is the same reason they drink and drive. Males can't reason.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Thank you Gordon for beautifully illustrating my
> point. The assumption that the driver was trying
> to run down the police officer is certainly one
> that could reasonably be drawn from the witness
> statements. However you could just as easily
> assume from the same statements and other evidence
> that the driver was trying to avoid hitting the
> officer, or that the driver was so startled by the
> whole situation of having an officer suddenly
> standing in his way (remember he confessed to drug
> violations and there was alcohol in the vehicle so
> we don't know if that affected his mental
> processes) that he didn't formulate any kind of
> plan at all for dealing with someone who suddenly
> appeared in his path when he came around the turn.
> With three reasonable alternatives, all equally
> supportable by the evidence, which one you choose
> is an indication of where you are starting from.


The first point would be high or drunk ect in any way does not change the response to a car coming at a cop so it really doesnt matter if he was too messed up or not to formulate what was going on.

But the point has been from the start that while it is sad that the kid died, the fact that cannot be argued and is supported by everything is that the kids had multiple chances to realize what they were doing was wrong and stop. They could have not dined and dashed in the first place, they could have stopped when told too, they could have not gotten into the car. Anyone of them could have done this on their own and said Im not going to be a part of this anymore.

A lot of people want to blame the cop for it, but the fact is that it is the kids who put themselves in a situation where this could have happened the driver especially.

Pathetic, I would point out exactly how you are doing the same thing Gordon is, but since I picked on the pro-officer side once I feel the next shot should be directed towards someone on the other side.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Pathetic, I would point out exactly how you are
> doing the same thing Gordon is, but since I picked
> on the pro-officer side once I feel the next shot
> should be directed towards someone on the other
> side.

Not really, my main point is that the blame lies with them for their actions that led it to that point. Regardless of whether the shooting was justified had at any point they decided to stop and do the right thing they would all still be alive today. Personally I blame the driver the most, but youre right we werent there so we dont know exactly what happened. With that said I will give the officer the benefit of the doubt in situations of grey area and tough split second decisions unlike some others who will automatically assume the cop was in the wrong.

This was guy I knew from school a really cool kid did not deserve this. From what I heard it was not even targeted towards him. They thought it was someone else. The Officer no longer on the beat.

Many of the replies on this thread provide more proof, as if any is needed, that we are indeed now an idiocracy. What kind of allegedly rational human being defends a roided out off duty cop shooting at kids who committed the horrific crime of dashing out on a $26 bill? You have homeowners all over the country who have been charged with crimes for shooting burglars who have broken into their residences, yet you want to give these out of control, taxpayer funded thugs the power to fire at people over something like this?

Look at you tube- everyday, there are new videos of raging cops bashing tiny skateboarder kids, pulling elderly citizens from their wheelchairs, tazering all manner of law abiding citizens. Yet you want to give these members of what amounts to an occupying army more power?

As for the results of the "investigation" in this case- have you ever seen a police internal investigation that didn't defend the officer(s) in question? Like doctors and lawyers, cops can't be trusted to police themselves. They consider the myriad of unnecessary laws to be applied only to average suckers, not them. And they also know not to bother the rich and famous. Try getting arrested multiple times for drunk driving or beating your wife to a pulp, as half the players in the NFL have, and see if you get suspended sentences and community service, which is what they always get, if they don't simply have all charges dropped.

If we had any real political representation, one of the first things an honest congressman would do is launch a full scale investigation into the epidemic of police brutality, which has gone viral from sea to shining sea in this country. They need to replace probably 75% of all cops, and go back to being what they were supposed to be in the first place- peace officers, not law enforcement.

Lovely. Now for the counterpoint.

The officer hears there is a D&D in progress and moves to intercept the supposed offenders. He probably assumes that once they see him they will stop and he can straighten the matter out. That is how it had gone previously that evening, and who is stupid enough to run someone down in order to skip out on a $20-30 tab? He therefore takes a highly visible position in or near the lane of travel to insure the car sees him and stops. Then he finds himself in the path of a quickly moving vehicle with not much room separating them. The officer's desire to get the vehicle to stop holds him in place for a moment as the distance closes. Maybe the vehicle is trying to hit him. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Either way he is now committed. At that point rational thought has taken a holiday and the officer is operating on instinct, honed by training. It's all over in three seconds, possibly less. Again this is a conclusion you can easily draw from the conflicting statements and other evidence.

What you do in that situation is GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE WAY. You don't pull out your gun and start firing. He's a cop, not some war vet. There is no acceptable excuse for his actions. There's no reason for a cop to EVER fire on someone that is unarmed.

The off duty officer "heard a d & d was underway." Yes, the monstrously important crime of "d & d." Something that is certainly worth pulling your gun over. Do you support a cop's right to use lethal force on jaywalkers? How about chronic u-turn violaters? Watch the classic "Andy Griffith Show" reruns- not that long ago, our society used to lampoon this kind of absurd, over the top behavior by police.

Understand that police are public servants. They are supposed to be answerable to citizens. Try to even question one politely. They don't brook any dissent, and most people have learned, through hard experience, that the best policy in dealing with them is to not speak unless spoken to. Does that sound like the kind of relationship that should exist between free people and those who, at least for most of our nation's history, were tasked with keeping the peace?

Police need their power severely curtailed, not given mindless endorsement by those who evidently haven't watched you tube much and viewed their performances.

Whatever happens, please do your part to make sure this thread never ends. It's nice to read reasoned debate for a change and see people opening their minds about this event in which a group of moron thugs began a chain of events that ended with one of them as wormfood.

Can't get enough Wrote:
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> Whatever happens, please do your part to make sure
> this thread never ends. It's nice to read
> reasoned debate for a change and see people
> opening their minds about this event in which a
> group of moron thugs began a chain of events that
> ended with one of them as wormfood.


If you had stayed in school, you might have learned to better articulate yourself. Pity.

@unreals - jaywalkers would get shot at if they had just tried to KILL a cop, yo.

@ding - in case you are truly braindead, I'll actually waste the time to point out that those WERE armed..........with a fucking Jeep they had just tried to kill a man with. Wake up, kid. The reality of the situation may have started over pancakes but those assholes had to take it further by running.

@Bill - yr counterpoint is wrong, bro. Cop wasnt "called in" he was working security at the restaurant and was off duty when this occurred. Myself, I think the cop made a bad call, but something that was a reasonable "bad call" given the circumstances he was under (just being almost killed by some brats over a meal they MOST OBVIOUS had enough money to pay for since, well y'know, since they had a fucking Jeep and everything........) but that doesnt mean that the cop was a bad cop, or did something illegal or anything. Either way, just want to keep the facts straight.

@I knew him - well if you knew him why didnt you give him some food? Apparently, he was starving so much he was willing to risk other people's lives and safety for food..........

@Teenagers: so let me see if I get this straight...........you say it's ok for kids to rob me if it's for pussy, right?

and for everybody who wants to defend these assholes WHO COMMIT ROBBERY:GET THE FUCK OUT OF FAIRFAX COUNTY!!!!


I'm going to work now. I work to pay for the SAME GODDAMN FOOD that those entitled brats felt they had the right to steal. The thought that some of y'all are all like "it's cool they did that" or "it's only $26" or "they are just kids" - if you feel like that then FUCK YOU AND THE CAMARO YOUR WHORE MOTHER CONCEIVED YOU IN!

FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ITS OK FOR A KID TO STEAL AND RUN WHEN CONFRONTED

FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK THE COPS ARE WRONG TO DEFEND SOMEONE OR SOME PLACE THATS BEEN STOLEN FROM

and especially...........

A BIG OLE FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ITS OK TO STEAL FROM A STORE WHEN YOU HAVE THE $$$ TO PAY FOR YOUR SHIT, G

I hope you didn't expect me to read all of that - it was barely worth my time to read the part specifically directed toward me...

The cop placed HIMSELF in front of the car, that was not the driver's doing. If you think that qualifies as the driver trying to kill someone, you're as retarded as the cop.

Also, 'dining and dashing' does not constitute 'robbery'. Dictionaries are readily available both on and off the internet.


About a month ago people were accusing me of being you. I don't see how anyone could confuse me with a dumbass like yourself...

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @unreals - jaywalkers would get shot at if they
> had just tried to KILL a cop, yo.
>
> @ding - in case you are truly braindead, I'll
> actually waste the time to point out that those
> WERE armed..........with a fucking Jeep they had
> just tried to kill a man with. Wake up, kid. The
> reality of the situation may have started over
> pancakes but those assholes had to take it further
> by running.
>
> @Bill - yr counterpoint is wrong, bro. Cop wasnt
> "called in" he was working security at the
> restaurant and was off duty when this occurred.
> Myself, I think the cop made a bad call, but
> something that was a reasonable "bad call" given
> the circumstances he was under (just being almost
> killed by some brats over a meal they MOST OBVIOUS
> had enough money to pay for since, well y'know,
> since they had a fucking Jeep and
> everything........) but that doesnt mean that the
> cop was a bad cop, or did something illegal or
> anything. Either way, just want to keep the facts
> straight.
>
> @I knew him - well if you knew him why didnt you
> give him some food? Apparently, he was starving
> so much he was willing to risk other people's
> lives and safety for food..........
>
> @Teenagers: so let me see if I get this
> straight...........you say it's ok for kids to rob
> me if it's for pussy, right?
>
> and for everybody who wants to defend these
> assholes WHO COMMIT ROBBERY:GET THE FUCK OUT OF
> FAIRFAX COUNTY!!!!
>
>
> I'm going to work now. I work to pay for the SAME
> GODDAMN FOOD that those entitled brats felt they
> had the right to steal. The thought that some of
> y'all are all like "it's cool they did that" or
> "it's only $26" or "they are just kids" - if you
> feel like that then FUCK YOU AND THE CAMARO YOUR
> WHORE MOTHER CONCEIVED YOU IN!
>
> FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ITS OK FOR A KID TO STEAL
> AND RUN WHEN CONFRONTED
>
> FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK THE COPS ARE WRONG TO DEFEND
> SOMEONE OR SOME PLACE THATS BEEN STOLEN FROM
>
> and especially...........
>
> A BIG OLE FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ITS OK TO STEAL
> FROM A STORE WHEN YOU HAVE THE $$$ TO PAY FOR YOUR
> SHIT, G


tl;dr

It seems Officer Stowe moved to LA and become part of the LAPD. He was recently videoed performing his duties flaweslessly in another restuarant parking lot situation. This time he was able to get off 10 shots hitting the perp with all 10 shots. He has improved his judgement hitting the perp 5 times in the front and then pumping 5 more shots into the bastard in the back. We were lucky enough to have a concerned citizen there to video this courageous officer taking down the felon who this time did not have a Jeep to threaten him but a crowbar.

Congrats to Officer Stowe!! All us law abiding citizens in NoVA miss you


http://youtu.be/NB0gBtaV9uw

How many murderers-drug dealers-other felons are caught by a traffic stop or some other minor crime? Someone who runs after committing a minor crime (the pancakes) often times is running for another reason entirely (in this case, the DWI and the drugs in the car).

Most sane, non-criminals stop when an officer steps in front of a car - they don't speed up to run him down. I think it's entirely rational for a cop to escalate his force when someone resists for a minor crime - the cop has no idea who/what he is facing until after the arrest is made. Same reason a cop approaches your car in a traffic stop cautiously with his hand on his gun - whether it's 4AM or 4PM, whether you are a soccer mom or a drug dealer.

To answer your question, Timothy McVeigh (OK City bomber) was caught because of a stop involving expired tags.

Crockett: Hey Rico...the word up around "Murder City" is that they have a renegade officer who takes moonlighting security jobs at all-night diners in order to gun down all the "chew and screwers"...Castillo wants us to take a few days and go up there and check it out...

Tubbs: Man...let that suckah' draw down on me after my Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity and I'll run him over!

Crockett: Hey pardner...just make sure you're the one driving since he only seems to target the OCCUPANTS of the vehicle and not the immediate threat behind the wheel...

Tubbs: The whole thing stinks, Sonny...fortunately the 703 allows concealed carry so, there'll be PLENTY of armed citizens ready to smoke the guard before anyone else gets hurt or killed...

Phil Collins: ...and I can feel it...coming in the air tonight...Oh Lord...

I don't understand some of you people's reasoning here any more than you seem to understand mine. It seems like you just love protecting criminals at the expense of the safety of the rest of us. If someone car-jacks a vehicle, leads Police on a high speed chase through the city, and the jacker eventually loses control and kills an innocent pedestrian, you won't blame the car-jacker, you'll blame the Cops. You'll actually say, "If the Police weren't chasing him, he wouldn't have had to drive so fast and accidentally killed someone. Fuck those Cops!". This mind-set is the reason that Cops can't actually chase criminals anymore. You would rather let criminals continue to prey on innocent victims than let Cops do their jobs.

In this specific case there are two main sides of the argument. You have one group that feels that when people, (teenagers or otherwise), engage in reckless, dangerous, or criminal activity, they should be held accountable for their actions. When a teenager loses his life, as happened in this case, this group finds it regrettable, but ultimately places the responsibility for the outcome on the teenager for instigating the situation, and then exacerbating it up until the use of deadly force. This group believes in holding people accountable for their actions in the hopes that if more people are held accountable, less potentially dangerous situations will occur, especially once the understanding is reached with people in our society that you WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHOICES YOU MAKE.

The second group believes in a more forgiving philosophy. Criminal activity shouldn't be harshly punished if it wasn't a particularly "bad" crime. They believe in giving lessons rather than punishment. They believe in slaps on the wrist before full on punishment. They believe in giving the person committing the crime, the benefit of the doubt and will even suggest reasons why the "criminal" is NOT really at fault due to age, mindset, education level, I.Q., original intention, racially motivating factors, cultural heritage, upbringing, etc. This group will shift the focus from the initial criminal behavior of the instigator onto the reactions of those being affected, (in this case, a Police Officer). They'll say, "Shouldn't the Cop have known better? Why did he try to stop them in the first place? Why didn't he just move out of the way of the oncoming car? Why didn't he just stay inside the restaurant and allow them to leave. Was his action against policy? Why did he shoot a teenager? Shouldn't he just have shot out the tires? Why wasn't he a better shot? Was he too fat? Did he just have an urge to kill someone?" and so on.

Much like the defense lawyer in a criminal trial, they will attempt to put the victim on trial and turn the initial offender into the victim. In this case, they refuse to admit that the Cop is the victim of an act of attempted murder, they feel that the teenager is the victim of rash actions by the Cop and the Cop is an evil, horrible "kid killer" who should burn in hell. They steadfastly refuse to admit ANY responsibility on the part of the "criminal", and place it all squarely on the Officer. They throw out red-herrings like the value of the property stolen, ("It was ONLY $26!"), in an attempt to seem reasonable, as if they might agree that a higher value theft would justify the Cop's actions, when truthfully, the teenager could have stolen a MILLION dollars and they would still be saying all the same things that they are now.

What it boils down to is that the second group will ALWAYS side against the Police Officer in almost ANY situation. If the teens had actually SHOT at the Cop, they would still be in here saying that the Cop should have simply taken cover and not returned fire. They will say that the Cop exacerbated the situation by returning fire, and that the Cop made the situation worse and put innocent lives in danger. They will say that the teens simply made a "mistake" in shooting at the Cop and chalk it up to their youth, immaturity, and love of video games. They will say that the Cop should have used his experience and intellect to know "better" than to return fire. And if the kids are caught, they will expect leniency and a short sentence.


No matter WHAT the situation, you will always coddle, excuse, rationalize, or otherwise forgive the criminal behavior. You will refuse to acknowledge that the "perp" instigated the situation and then brought the horrible consequences down upon himself. It will ALWAYS be someone else's fault because you have no sense of personal accountability and accepting responsibility for your actions.

If I walked up to a Cop and punched him in the head, I MIGHT be killed. I would CERTAINLY get an ass-beating. I know that to be a fact and so I DON'T ASSAULT COPS! If I did assault an Officer, I certainly wouldn't piss and moan about the consequences.

oh puh-lease Wrote:
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> How many murderers-drug dealers-other felons are
> caught by a traffic stop or some other minor
> crime? Someone who runs after committing a minor
> crime (the pancakes) often times is running for
> another reason entirely (in this case, the DWI and
> the drugs in the car).
>
> Most sane, non-criminals stop when an officer
> steps in front of a car - they don't speed up to
> run him down. I think it's entirely rational for a
> cop to escalate his force when someone resists for
> a minor crime - the cop has no idea who/what he is
> facing until after the arrest is made. Same
> reason a cop approaches your car in a traffic stop
> cautiously with his hand on his gun - whether it's
> 4AM or 4PM, whether you are a soccer mom or a drug
> dealer.


Another parking lot shooting ... EXCEPT this one is justified! Lets see if we can tell the difference between this correct one and the wrong one that occured here?

http://youtu.be/drLxICQLEJU

Notice the perp in this one has a gun and approaches the officer... he warns him and then takes action. This cop only shot twice.. Officer Stowe fired 6 times! How I wish there was a video of the Aaron Brown killing.

That was very well said. Personally im not even against giving people a break or a second chance if they make a stupid mistake like a dine and dash. However in order for them to receive that break they have to stop when caught and show remorse knowing they messed up and arent getting away with it. Once you try and run from the police you have lost the right to be given a break since you certainly havent learned a lesson from what you did and are showing youll do anything to get away with it. That type of attitude isnt the attitude of a 1 time offender who got caught, but rather someone who will continue to do so and try and avoid the consequences.

Again while he death is sad, it was 100% preventable had the kids just mad a different choice at one of the several points of the confrontation.

People keep talking about robberies and car-jackings and all sorts of bullshit, COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that NONE of these took place. He stole some food, and tried to speed off. The car was ALREADY MOVING when the dumbshit cop placed himself in front of it. Go study momementum and reaction-time. Cars don't automatically stop as soon as an obstruction appears. The cop should've gotten out of the way. If he wanted to shoot something, he should've shot out their back tires.