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How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Jack FrostY ()
Date: October 23, 2011 06:55PM

So now that I pay my own bills, I've decided that I dont need heating as much as I thought. I live alone in a 1400sqft single family home which is pretty poorly insulated overall. Besides wearing a sweater, what other ways could I heat just myself in this house with maximizing my savings on has/electric?


Anyone else this cheap/poor to do this?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: funny ()
Date: October 23, 2011 06:55PM

Get a space heater?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Frosty mCQ ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:11PM

Is the electric that a space heater going to use end up negating the savings of not using heat?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: FrozenChozen ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:13PM

Space heater is fine. Also, close off rooms you aren't using very often.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: J$ ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:14PM

Just make sure your pipes don't freeze. 60 degrees on the thermostat is recommended. Then just bundle up!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Yup ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:15PM

FrozenChozen Wrote:
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> Space heater is fine. Also, close off rooms you
> aren't using very often.


Good advice, IMHO.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: space heat good ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:17PM

Frosty mCQ Wrote:
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> Is the electric that a space heater going to use
> end up negating the savings of not using heat?


No because if you just use one or two space heaters you can just take them to the room your in, you don't have to heat the whole house.

Do you have a wood fire place?

Remember, don't fall asleep with your wacky heating ideas ON

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:21PM

Get a Vornado. Very efficient and powerful room heater.




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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Pellet stove ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:25PM

If you do not have small kids this type of stove can heat your whole family room.

May I ask what your heating bills are per month?

Plus you must keep your house at sixty as the above poster stated.

Open you blinds too.

An energy audit may help you too. You can sometimes get this for free from the county.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: FrostyMCQ ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:51PM

Why keep he house at 60? Why not 50? It's still above the freezing?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Fifty? ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:54PM

50 is too cold. Why would you want to torture yourself. I am happy at 70 all year long. Like is too short to be unhappy with the feel of your house.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: HomeSweetHome ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:03PM

I prefer being cold actually. 50 doesn't bother me, and I don't consider it torturous, So...is 50 actually dangerous or the home?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:05PM

Move to an apartment where the heat is free or provided centrally by the landlord. Just be sure to check the lease to make sure they aren't going to scam you with some fee at the end of the heating season for high energy costs.

Now of course if it is centrally provided then you run the risk that it will either be cold as shit if the landlord is jewish or hot as shit if your neighbors complain that it is too cold and the heat runs 24/7

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Go with 50! ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:07PM

You must not be married. The only thing we fight about is the thermostat.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Truckin ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:08PM

Can't really rent... Own a mortgage that I'm locked into or a few years (FHA)

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: power guy ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:53PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Get a Vornado. Very efficient and powerful room
> heater.
>
>
The vornado is an electric heater. All electric heaters are 100% efficent.

1 watt hour= 3.413 btu's
You learned this in high school for godsake.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: I hate winter ()
Date: October 23, 2011 08:59PM

It is kinda like the idea of geothermal, there is an optimum temperature to keep your house at. Less energy is used to raise the temp up from 60 degree's. If you balance your energy use between gas furnace and electric space heater. Depends on what is cheaper gas/electric for heating your sq. footage. In any case if you have a dog they act like a warming devise under that blankets!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Mrs. B ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:06PM

check the windows to make sure you don't have drafts coming through. When we had a home with old drafty windows, we taped up the cracks of the windows with masking tape in the winter, to keep the cold out. Also, you can get cheap tension rods ($3 bucks, Walmart) for your windows, as well as fleece throw blankets. Use a pair of scissors to snip holes across the top of the throw blanket, then weave the tension rod through the snips in the fleece throw blanket. Mount the rod in your window frame. It does a fantastic job of keeping the cold out, the warm air in. If it gets dirty, easy to throw into the washer. Cheaper than those insulated curtains, easy to set up. Worked wonders to keep our kids' rooms warm when we lived in drafty apartments. Also, when you go to bed at night, set thermostat low at 65 or 62. Invest in a fleece blanket (about $20.) Put that on top of you, under your sheets. The fleece will keep your warmer than flannel or any regular sheets, without having to crank up the thermostat. We keep our thermostat at 65 all winter, sometimes 62 (we have gas heat). We wear sweaters, turtlenecks, fuzzy socks. The cooler air in winter is actually better for you, less chance of sinus infections/dry air, etc.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: cont'd. ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:27PM

power guy Wrote:
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> All electric
> heaters are 100% efficent.

The efficiency of any system depends on the definition of the boundaries of the system. For an electrical energy customer the efficiency of electric space heating can be 100% because all purchased energy is converted to building heat. However, if the power plant supplying electricity is included, the overall efficiency drops. For example, a fossil-fuelled power plant may only deliver 4 units of electrical energy for every 10 units of fuel energy released. Even with a 100% efficient electric heater, the amount of fuel needed for a given amount of heat is more than if the fuel was burned in a furnace or boiler at the building being heated. If the same fuel could be used for space heating by a consumer, it would be more efficient overall to burn the fuel at the end user's building.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: I learned something today! ()
Date: October 23, 2011 09:37PM

Like minded people coming together to help each other out. I love it.

I love the idea about the curtains. Thank you!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: He's Delusional ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:01PM

Do you have a finished basement? Usually, the temperatures down there are warmer than the main level. Also, how old are your windows? You could cover the windows that face the direction where a lot of your predominant winds come from with plastic to cut down on heat loss. Also, those insulated foamy cut-outs that you install behind your electrical outlet and switch plates should prevent the seepage of colder air into your house. Finally, don't overlook the solar options. I believe there might be some excellent solar credits this year when I last checked. The credits might make enough of a tax savings for you that you could pay for the solar option - or, at least most of it.

Best of luck! Hopefully, you don't have a heat pump. I hate those bloody things in the winter. I'm more of a gas heat kind of person.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Dual system ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:06PM

We have propane and a heat pump. Now we have a nice sized home but between the two we pay over $700.00 a month when it is really cold.

Propane is a rip off.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Better than Yup ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:09PM

Yup Wrote:
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> FrozenChozen Wrote:
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> > Space heater is fine. Also, close off rooms you
> > aren't using very often.
>
>
> Good advice, IMHO.


Please disregard as I retract my earlier statement, you have received much better advice since (IMHO).

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: robonscanner1 ()
Date: October 23, 2011 10:31PM

have a huge house and my bills were very high
I have a heating blanket on the floor and a area rug over it.
also have the tornado space heater
every night I close mt bedroom door and turn my thermostat to 60

it feels good and save a lot of money

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: October 23, 2011 11:14PM

power guy Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
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> > Get a Vornado. Very efficient and powerful room
> > heater.
> >
> >
> The vornado is an electric heater. All electric
> heaters are 100% efficent.
>
> 1 watt hour= 3.413 btu's
> You learned this in high school for godsake.




No, they don't teach efficiency ratings of space heaters in high school....


Anyway, as others have pointed out, a new space heater will be more energy efficient and less costly than turning on the central heating.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: DeadWrong ()
Date: October 24, 2011 12:04AM

He's Delusional Wrote:
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> Do you have a finished basement? Usually, the
> temperatures down there are warmer than the main
> level. Also, how old are your windows?

An unfinished basement will NOT be warmer than the main level.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Fair n heat ()
Date: December 04, 2017 02:34PM

I keep my house at 56 degrees and run a space heater in one room a few hours a day. My pipes have never frozen up and my utility bill is low as hell. My 22 year old heat pump still works perfectly.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: You done it DIY stay warm ()
Date: December 04, 2017 02:46PM

Nice tall insulated curtains and nice shower type rods .. section off 1 or 2 parts of the house .. space heaters ..

keep themosat .. 60 or below.

open over after cooking.
if single and can deal .. sleep in front of the fire place.

cardboard over the windows .. paint one side white .. looks like a blind from the outside ..
put blankets under doors with vents closed in rooms not using.
strip insulate door frames.
check for drafts .. and take care of.
use an electric blanket.
use heavy wool blankets.
invest in a wood burning stove. get free wood from craigslist ads

Open blinds on direct sunlight windows only, during direct sun light hours only.
buy insulated curtains for you windows.

One problem with using these ideas is the complaints of others in a home.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: smoke detector ()
Date: December 04, 2017 02:49PM

robonscanner1 Wrote:
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> I have a heating blanket on the floor and a area
> rug over it.

Sounds safe.....

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Seoul Korea ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:20PM

When I was stationed there, winters were brutal.
They had these 6”diameter 8” long cylinders of charcoal called “yun tanh”
They had these compartments in thee floor where they would burn these.
Koreans slept on this heated floor.
Every year on the news, some huge family is taken out of their houses in body bags bc of the CO poisoning.
SAD!

On a lighter note, a digital radiator style heater is my prime choice to heat house/rooms.....
Get the $80-$100 ones not those $39 ones at Walmart.
There’s a reason Lowe’s sells outta those once the mercury drops!!
Keep it on the lowest setting when you aren’t home, then, crank it up when u walk in the door.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: HHWHY ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:39PM

Check the electrical outlets on the exterior walls to see if any air is coming in through the plug holes as I had happening pretty bad in a previous place. It is not a super great heat savings, but every little helps. If not use the plugs for plugging electrical stuff, get some of those cheap plastic child safety plugs available at most hardware, department, or discount stores. Also helps keeps some bugs out of your home, one less avenue for them to travel in. If you live in an apartment or townhouse sharing walls with neighbors, use the child safety plugs in the remaining unused electrical outlets, as one bug blocker from your wall adjacent neighbor homes.

While you are at it, check for wall holes around your pipes on all walls, exterior facing and interior, a friend who is exterminator for one of the major companies, said wire mesh works good, which helps keep mice out, as they only need 1/4 inch to get in as their bodies are not bony like rats, and mice cannot chew through the wire mesh.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: radiators are your friend ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:56PM

Get the oil filled space heaters. Super efficient and really take the chill out of the air.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Restricted Rental ()
Date: December 04, 2017 06:20PM

If you rent you are required to maintain the property and prevent preventable damage. If you keep the temperature below what is stipulated in your lease agreement, you will be liable for damages to the structure and furnished items.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Saver ()
Date: December 04, 2017 10:34PM

When using a space heater, save on your electric bill by plugging it into a heavy duty extension cord that is plugged into a neighbor's outdoor outlet

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Mike_Hunt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 11:08PM

Saver Wrote:
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> When using a space heater, save on your electric
> bill by plugging it into a heavy duty extension
> cord that is plugged into a neighbor's outdoor
> outlet

**been there, done that ~ ~ blush**

Kerosene & electric space heaters are great; as long as people aren't in every far-corner of the house.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Ndkfkkf ()
Date: December 05, 2017 09:47AM

radiators are your friend Wrote:
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> Get the oil filled space heaters. Super efficient
> and really take the chill out of the air.

Get an old digital projector with a 200 watt bulb. Even more efficient and you can watch movies too.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Remember those ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:51AM

Halogen lamps with those 500 watt bulbs

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: 4TFPL ()
Date: December 05, 2017 12:52PM

Two words - Frozen pipes!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: $5/gal4 kerosene faggg! ()
Date: December 05, 2017 03:21PM

Mike_Hunt Wrote:
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> Saver Wrote:
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> > When using a space heater, save on your
> electric
> > bill by plugging it into a heavy duty extension
> > cord that is plugged into a neighbor's outdoor
> > outlet
>
> **been there, done that ~ ~ blush**
>
> Kerosene & electric space heaters are great; as
> long as people aren't in every far-corner of the
> house.

U “mud” spelled backwards!
$5/gal kerosene would last 36 hrs at the most, on low!
Unless ur bullshit-ova getting $$$ from CASA, it’s wayyyy too exoensive

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: used motor oil ()
Date: December 05, 2017 05:09PM

I am a auto tech and I bring home used motor oil from work, a gallon or two each workday. I have a used motor oil furnace in the basement fed from a 40 gallon tank outside hidden behind the bushes. Closest thing to free heat you can get. My heat pump hardly ever comes on as long as I dont run out of oil.

https://www.cleanburn.com/

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Bthjgnb ()
Date: December 05, 2017 05:34PM

used motor oil Wrote:
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> I am a auto tech and I bring home used motor oil
> from work, a gallon or two each workday. I have a
> used motor oil furnace in the basement fed from a
> 40 gallon tank outside hidden behind the bushes.
> Closest thing to free heat you can get. My heat
> pump hardly ever comes on as long as I dont run
> out of oil.
>
> https://www.cleanburn.com/

How much does one of those cost?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: You Can’t Fix Stupid ()
Date: December 05, 2017 05:48PM

Bthjgnb Wrote:
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> used motor oil Wrote:
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> > I am a auto tech and I bring home used motor
> oil
> > from work, a gallon or two each workday. I have
> a
> > used motor oil furnace in the basement fed from
> a
> > 40 gallon tank outside hidden behind the
> bushes.
> > Closest thing to free heat you can get. My heat
> > pump hardly ever comes on as long as I dont run
> > out of oil.
> >
> > https://www.cleanburn.com/
>
> How much does one of those cost?

Sooner than later, you are going to burn your house down. Make sure you get out in time.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Joe blow ()
Date: December 06, 2017 12:55PM

Heat pumps are the best optin for heating in this area.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Heat Pumps for Dummies #101 ()
Date: December 06, 2017 01:19PM

Joe blow Wrote:
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> Heat pumps are the best optin for heating in this
> area.

Not above the NC/SC border. Heat pumps were introduced after Washington Gas quit installing pipelines to neighborhoods mid ‘70’s.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: FFX one ()
Date: December 06, 2017 01:26PM

Heat Pumps for Dummies #101 Wrote:
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> Joe blow Wrote:
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> -----
> > Heat pumps are the best optin for heating in
> this
> > area.
>
> Not above the NC/SC border. Heat pumps were
> introduced after Washington Gas quit installing
> pipelines to neighborhoods mid ‘70’s.

My parents house in Oakton had a heat pump. People wore sweaters in the winter with the thermostat set to 72. I have a natural gas fueled furnace. We often turn it down to 69 or 70 because 72 gets to be a little warm.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Tree hgr ()
Date: December 06, 2017 01:46PM

Heat Pumps for Dummies #101 Wrote:
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> Joe blow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Heat pumps are the best optin for heating in
> this
> > area.
>
> Not above the NC/SC border. Heat pumps were
> introduced after Washington Gas quit installing
> pipelines to neighborhoods mid ‘70’s.


In a few years it will be illegal to build a new home with anything other than a heat pump below the Mason-Dixon line.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: lifehack ()
Date: December 06, 2017 01:48PM

if you have free gas you can open the oven and set it to broil.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Roger Strawback ()
Date: December 06, 2017 03:31PM

Just don't buy one these over priced POS.
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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: warm wishes ()
Date: December 06, 2017 04:30PM

buy a thermostat you can program - it will pay for itself. after 9pm let it go down to 55 and program it to warm up to say 65 or 68 when you wake up. Program it to go back down to 50-55 when you are gone at work during the day and warm back up to 60 when you come home. I have a family and only run 5 degrees above that schedule. The key time is for it to be warm in the morning and when you have dinner. I like a cold house at night. I have trouble sleeping above 68 degrees.

Space heaters are dangerous and a waste of money you are trying to save. You are better off with sweaters, blankets, warm socks and warm hat.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: huh????????????? ()
Date: December 06, 2017 07:59PM

warm wishes Wrote:
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> buy a thermostat you can program - it will pay for
> itself. after 9pm let it go down to 55 and
> program it to warm up to say 65 or 68 when you
> wake up. Program it to go back down to 50-55 when
> you are gone at work during the day and warm back
> up to 60 when you come home. I have a family and
> only run 5 degrees above that schedule. The key
> time is for it to be warm in the morning and when
> you have dinner. I like a cold house at night. I
> have trouble sleeping above 68 degrees.
>
> Space heaters are dangerous and a waste of money
> you are trying to save. You are better off with socks
> sweaters, blankets, warm socks and warm hat.




"sweaters, blankets, warm socks and warm hat"

Dude, he is not living in a yurt in Mongolia. He is living in a home in a first world country.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: What he said ()
Date: December 07, 2017 09:35AM

Buy a fucking house that you can afford to heat and keep it warm. I keep my thermostat at 73 degrees 24 hours a day all winter long. This is America, be comfortable!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Queen Sharon B ()
Date: December 07, 2017 10:27AM

huh????????????? Wrote:
>
> "sweaters, blankets, warm socks and warm hat"
>
> Dude, he is not living in a yurt in Mongolia. He
> is living in a home in a first world country.


Not for long! My dream is to re-invent America in the form of North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. Soon, you'll all be begging for food from liberal royalty like ME!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: 73 is cold u JEW! ()
Date: December 07, 2017 02:38PM

What he said Wrote:
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> Buy a fucking house that you can afford to heat
> and keep it warm. I keep my thermostat at 73
> degrees 24 hours a day all winter long. This is
> America, be comfortable!


73 is cold for winter you fukin MACCABEE!!
78 is where it’s at!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: A.A.G. ()
Date: December 17, 2017 03:06PM

Tree hgr Wrote:
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> Heat Pumps for Dummies #101 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Joe blow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Heat pumps are the best optin for heating in
> > this
> > > area.
> >
> > Not above the NC/SC border. Heat pumps were
> > introduced after Washington Gas quit installing
> > pipelines to neighborhoods mid ‘70’s.
>
>
> In a few years it will be illegal to build a new
> home with anything other than a heat pump below
> the Mason-Dixon line.


That's a good start but we can do more.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Onward Christian Polluters ()
Date: December 17, 2017 04:03PM

A.A.G. Wrote:
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> Tree hgr Wrote:
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> -----
> > Heat Pumps for Dummies #101 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Joe blow Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Heat pumps are the best optin for heating
> in
> > > this
> > > > area.
> > >
> > > Not above the NC/SC border. Heat pumps were
> > > introduced after Washington Gas quit
> installing
> > > pipelines to neighborhoods mid ‘70’s.
> >
> >
> > In a few years it will be illegal to build a
> new
> > home with anything other than a heat pump below
> > the Mason-Dixon line.
>
>
> That's a good start but we can do more.

If Trump don’t give a shit, then I quit giving a shit. Fuck the environment. Christians shall inherit and destroy the world.and stay warm doing it.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: my36p ()
Date: December 17, 2017 04:09PM

> Now that I have a clean air filter my heat pump is running like a motherfucker. I am warm as fuck right now.

OP is a troll selling heat pumps. get the fuck off FFU we don't want to buy your "services".

my friend had one and always called me to complain about how it couldn't keep up during the colder parts of winter

the aggresive sales people (also usign media they didn't own or pay for), assured them their house would be warm during the winter. It was not, ever warm for them during the winter.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: vdl9m ()
Date: December 17, 2017 04:39PM


As you mentioned: insulating and zone heating are the primary concerns.


(infact many hotel systems have solenoids to operate the vents to control zones, a system schematic to read for Carrier (made in USA) systems)


Less mentioned but also effective!



So you heard of keroscene (heavy mineral oil, so hot it sets your floor or curtains on fire), electric (electric bills!), natural gas (prices have gone up), Oil (prices remained moderate when NG got into competition), and Wood burning (very hot and a fire hazard, excellent if installed dual vent, using easy "pellets fuel" bumps the price though).


COAL HEAT.


It's extremely hot and efficient if you can get it delivered (shipping rate) at a reasonable cost. It's used in many old and also new West Virginia homes.

They stopped using it for a while due to illnesses and deaths (carbon monoxide and also coal burning chemical fumes). HOWEVER: newer models have both DUAL VENTING and adds temperature at the burning point to neutralize toxicity: they're safe now.

defiant_370x280.ashx

vermont wood stove, dual vented, forced air, quality iron casing - enough btu to heat typical fx co homes easily, and you can cook eggs simply by placing them on top of it!

us-stove-clayton-1602r-coal-and-wood-bur

a modern coal stove: dual vented and twin blower, likely has the BTU to heat your mansion ?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: n4km9 ()
Date: December 17, 2017 04:43PM

Get a job with FCPS (fx co pub school / gov) and a "no fuss" electric heater.

You'll be making 3x - 15x what non-government workers make.

You won't even notice the bill increase your so far ahead of "the little people".

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: etycu ()
Date: December 17, 2017 04:55PM

Assuming your a fx co gov worker who displays "vacations" on your social app pages, and no one knows where you are 1/2 the year ...

MOVE TO YOUR BUNGALO CLOSE TO THE EQUATOR IN SOUTH AMERICA - THEY ARE MOWING BERMUDA GRASS AND GROWING BANANA THIS TIME OF YEAR.

There's simply no doubt part of your seedy out-source contract for "leaf blowing" services for FCPS included a free place to live in south america.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: HoDu ()
Date: December 17, 2017 06:07PM

He's Delusional Wrote:
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> Do you have a finished basement?

This is FXU. Where else do you imagine he is posting from?

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: mwm kicker ()
Date: December 18, 2017 02:30PM

HoDu Wrote:
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> He's Delusional Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you have a finished basement?
>
> This is FXU. Where else do you imagine he is
> posting from?

WRONG again suckwad democrats.

DIRT HAS INSULATION VALUE EQUIVALENT TO HAVING INSTALLED INSULATION CORRECTLY - but since skilled labor is impossible to find in fairfax (illegals get sent instead): they never seal insulation correctly so air goes right around it!

which then means: dirt is warmer

heat rises so when you add a central heating unit that "focuses on heating the upstairs" (80's 90's housing), then of course the upstairs is warmer!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Mike huntt ()
Date: December 19, 2017 06:36AM

Table candles work great
Pour wax all over a table and set it on fire

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Taco Amigo ()
Date: December 19, 2017 07:35AM

Stupid gringos! Become an illegal and get free heat, luxury housing, medical care, and everything else, courtesy Sharon Bulova and her sucker taxpayers. You just have to promise to vote democrat!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: 330% efficiency ()
Date: December 19, 2017 09:50AM

My heat pump is over 300% efficient. Gas furnaces cant even get to 96%.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Jimmy watt ()
Date: December 24, 2017 02:04PM

Years ago I had a 3rd floor garden style condo in Arlington. I jumped up in the attic and tied one of my electric outlets to the circuit that supplied outlets in the common area hallway. That circuit was on the condo associations meter. I ran a space heater off that circuit all winter for 3 winters and saved a ton of money.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: mthmu ()
Date: December 24, 2017 02:12PM

330% efficiency Wrote:
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> My heat pump is over 300% efficient. Gas furnaces
> cant even get to 96%.

thanks for believe all the advertisment i sent you, SUCKER !!!

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: 7xxmj ()
Date: December 24, 2017 02:14PM

mwm kicker Wrote:
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> HoDu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He's Delusional Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Do you have a finished basement?
> >
> > This is FXU. Where else do you imagine he is
> > posting from?
>
> WRONG again suckwad democrats.
>
> DIRT HAS INSULATION VALUE EQUIVALENT TO HAVING
> INSTALLED INSULATION CORRECTLY - but since skilled
> labor is impossible to find in fairfax (illegals
> get sent instead): they never seal insulation
> correctly so air goes right around it!
>
> which then means: dirt is warmer
>
> heat rises so when you add a central heating unit
> that "focuses on heating the upstairs" (80's 90's
> housing), then of course the upstairs is warmer!

your right if you include that heat rises and that windows during the day let the sun in, while most basements don't get that advantage. but what is letting in the cold that's falling into the basement? the upstairs is.

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: Okay then..... ()
Date: December 24, 2017 02:39PM

7xxmj Wrote:
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>
> your right if you include that heat rises and that
> windows during the day let the sun in, while most
> basements don't get that advantage. but what is
> letting in the cold that's falling into the
> basement? the upstairs is.


So, it is quite clear that you never took a physics class or you were unable to understand it. You are very very very ignorant and/or stupid. Merry Christmas!

http://highschoolenergy.acs.org/content/hsef/en/energy-theories/cold-doesnt-exist.html

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Re: How to stay warm without heating bills in Fairfax.
Posted by: 812. ()
Date: December 26, 2017 12:09PM

Jimmy watt Wrote:
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> Years ago I had a 3rd floor garden style condo in
> Arlington. I jumped up in the attic and tied one
> of my electric outlets to the circuit that
> supplied outlets in the common area hallway. That
> circuit was on the condo associations meter. I ran
> a space heater off that circuit all winter for 3
> winters and saved a ton of money.


Good job sticking it to the MAN!

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