Um.Uh.Not sure where to even think to begin.

Liz Bradsher's replacement?

West Springfield HS's doomed.
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"careful review of the documents...."

Maybe he should have reviewed his bio?!? Spelling and basic grammar should be the 1st requirements for anyone seeking a position on the FCSB.

I think I'll stick with Elizabeth Schultz for School Board and believe in better!

herewegoagain Wrote:
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> "careful review of the documents...."

Are you unfamiliar with a gerund?

I am familiar with a gerund and don't have a problem with any of the gerunds he used. What I do take exception with is errors such as:

"I been involved in budgeting..."

AND

"extenively"

I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've been involved. "I been involved..." is not acceptable.

Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable when preparing material for public consumption.

I quoted his statement, "careful review of the documents", because I find it ironic that his own bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader would have found with a quick glance.

herewegoagain Wrote:
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> I am familiar with a gerund and don't have a
> problem with any of the gerunds he used. What I
> do take exception with is errors such as:
>
> "I been involved in budgeting..."
>
> AND
>
> "extenively"
>
> I have been involved would be acceptable, or I've
> been involved. "I been involved..." is not
> acceptable.
>
> Simple spelling and typos are also not acceptable
> when preparing material for public consumption.
>
> I quoted his statement, "careful review of the
> documents", because I find it ironic that his own
> bio contains simple mistakes that my 5th grader
> would have found with a quick glance.


Thanks for clearing that up. I would never have known what your beef was otherwise.

Fairfax County Public Schools

Central Administration gives themselves an A+++ on their response to FoIAs.

FoIA response graded today as "meets/exceeds efficiency...100% the time".

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public


Why don't we justs let flunking students grad their own finals and prepare their own report cards, too.

A+++ on Central Admin's B.S. degree.
And that ain't Bachelor of Science, just to be clear.

You have to be kidding me....

100% of the time responding to FOIAs....

It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me away.....100% efficient.

Just another rubber stamping from the School Board. When will they learn to question FCPS staff?

Parents led tonight on FCPS "magical mystery tour" of their potential new schools:

Union Mill ES
Fairview ES
Oak View ES

Ms. Bradsher:

The "you know best for our kids" perverted self-serving lies continue.

The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as Clifton's
The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not be built to educate kids in brick and mortar schools - they are in place.

You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter, Dale.
You are nothing other than thieves, liars and general miscreants.

We are going to elect people who care. People who listen. People who will represent us.

You need to crawl back under rock.
Even typing an email with your name gives me the creepy crawlies.
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Yep. You basically trade one old school for another, except that it's further away, overcrowded and outside your community.

What do Liz Bradsher's pals get? Under-enrolled Silverbrook, relatively new South County High, and brand new South County Middle that isn't even needed.

No wonder it's been so hard on her personally. That level of corruption and poor judgment would be tough on just about anyone.

Union Mill is already overcrowded and FCPD wants to add another 100+ kids to our school.

Kids are being taught outside the classroom now in hallways filled with tables, paper copiers, and computer carts.

How is the school going to pass fire code next year without adding trailers is beyond me.

The SB lied to everyone. What a complete mess.

I kid you not. Wrote:
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?

if there are lawsuits with judges making them publish documents they didn't want to or were late in sending out, how are they at 100%?

is this new(er) math?
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Who is really surprised?
These people are in for the rudest of all awakenings. Light a candle for them or something....

Apparently Bradsher isn't the only lacking in the constituent service department.

Way to, Madame Chair.

Sully pals, take out the trash November 8th.
*not November 6th (Smith's website is a tad out of date)
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With open government you get this?

Mom + sons bullied & intimidated in a public meeting of elected state officials with constituents?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfgLu0HjxxA&feature=player_embedded

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

The nasty School Board virus is catching.

Callz 'em as I seez 'em Wrote:
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> Parents led tonight on FCPS "magical mystery tour"
> of their potential new schools:
>
> Union Mill ES
> Fairview ES
> Oak View ES
>
> Ms. Bradsher:
>
> The "you know best for our kids" perverted
> self-serving lies continue.
>
> The Fairview ES cafeteria is the exact same size
> as Clifton's
> The Fairview ES library is the exact same size as
> Clifton's
> The Fairview ES parking, boundaried by two major
> roads, is a lot worse than Clifton's
> The Fairview ES trailers that you said would not
> be built to educate kids in brick and mortar
> schools - they are in place.
>
> You are a LIAR. You are a DECEIVER. You are TOAST.
>
> Your toadies at Gatehouse too. Tistadt, Hunter,
> Dale.
> You are nothing other than thieves, liars and
> general miscreants.
>
> We are going to elect people who care. People who
> listen. People who will represent us.
>
> You need to crawl back under rock.
> Even typing an email with your name gives me the
> creepy crawlies.


Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you came from. If you would put your real name in your posts you miscreant you would be sued until the cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in Clifton!

Shut the hell up!

Enough Clifton Blowhards Wrote:
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> Why in hell don't you go back under the rock you
> came from. If you would put your real name in your
> posts you miscreant you would be sued until the
> cows came home. Get a life and get a grip and move
> on. Most folks are sick and tired of this kind of
> crap, and, yes, including many whom I know in
> Clifton!
>
> Shut the hell up!

I say keep it up. Most folks are sick and tired of the crap that Liz Bradsher and her buddies pulled off, and won't forget it until a new, better crew is installed on the School Board and at Gatehouse.

We'll move on when Liz is out of office. Not one moment sooner.

We listened to Liz BS everyone for years. It's our turn now, so you shut the bloody hell up.

Seriously? Can you support any of your rant? (and provide your real name too, please, as well as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton) This person made some valid points. And yours would be....?

really? Wrote:
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> Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> (and provide your real name too, please, as well
> as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> This person made some valid points. And yours
> would be....?


I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read the entries in this thread. As for using your real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.

I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates. Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her stay on the Board.

freeloader Wrote:
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> I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates. Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her stay on the Board.<

You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not be back next year.

That announcement was greeted with applause from the audience.

Just to be clear, I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' too. I should have done my earlier post with a quote - someone else beat me to the response, and got in just before mine.

Seems like all the rants on here against Clifton and their attempt to make the school board act ethically have no substance. Instead, it's silly juvenile opinions like "they're stuck up" or "don't want to mix with other races". Well, hello, the over crowded schools to which they're being bussed great distances are hardly more diverse. So --- that's not it. It's so many more issues that the "anti Clifton" posters never seem to mention.


Bradsher's BS Wrote:
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> really? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seriously? Can you support any of your rant?
> > (and provide your real name too, please, as
> well
> > as those who are "sick and tired" in Clifton)
> > This person made some valid points. And yours
> > would be....?
>
>
> I agree with 'Callz 'em as I seez 'em' , many
> Clifton people are sick of Bradsher's BS. If you
> need proof of her BS, I suggest you actually read
> the entries in this thread. As for using your
> real name, hello, this is FFU, no one uses their
> name. I noticed you didn't whip yours out.

Thomas More Wrote:
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> freeloader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm hoping Liz runs as an at large candidates.
> Probably drive the Clifton folks crazy to see her
> stay on the Board.<
>
> You'll be disappointed to know that Liz announced
> at the 6/9 School Board meeting that she would not
> be back next year.
>
> That announcement was greeted with applause from
> the audience.

She's a coward. Even more evidence that she was returning a favor from Tisdadt. He found a way to get SoCo Middle built and told her to get Clifton closed. And I am certain several Board members told her the same. Thanks for mentioning this, I will have to watch the replay on the recorded version of the meeting.

According to an article in the Connection, Liz Bradsher will not run for Fairfax County School Board's Springfield District seat, BUT she may run for one of the three at-large seats.

From the article:
"I am still weighing my options. There are things going on in my private life that I have to take care of," said Bradsher in an interview.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=351453&paper=72&cat=104

Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised by not only Springfield district residents but Fairfax County residents in general?

Her house just went on the market, hopefully she is moving far, far away.

http://franklymls.com/FX7628995

Guess there are things going on in her private life that she has to take care of.

Concerned Parents Wrote:
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> According to an article in the Connection, Liz
> Bradsher will not run for Fairfax County School
> Board's Springfield District seat, BUT she may run
> for one of the three at-large seats.
>
> From the article:
> "I am still weighing my options. There are things
> going on in my private life that I have to take
> care of," said Bradsher in an interview.
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=351453&paper=72&cat=104
>
> Does she have ANY sense how much she is despised
> by not only Springfield district residents but
> Fairfax County residents in general?

Three things:

Bradsher's 6/9 announcement came after the 6/2 Connection article.

O'Donnell is wrong you don't have belong to FCDC to get its endorsement. Janie Strauss isn't a member of FCDC and she just got endorsed. Neither were/are Gibson or Ranney and they got endorsed in 2007.

Wonder if Mr. & Mrs. Bradsher are splitting up?

buh bye Wrote:
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> http://franklymls.com/FX7628995
>
> Guess there are things going on in her private
> life that she has to take care of.

Bradsher said frequently that she and the school board did not influence or care about real estate proprty values. If the schools have no influence on property value why include a photo of the neighborhood elementary school in the photo listing of her home for sale?

I believe her personal items to care for include moving out of Springfield District perhaps to Braddock District so she can try to screw another area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on the School Board.

Justataxpayer Wrote:
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>
> Bradsher said frequently that she and the school
> board did not influence or care about real estate
> proprty values. If the schools have no influence
> on property value why include a photo of the
> neighborhood elementary school in the photo
> listing of her home for sale?
>
> I believe her personal items to care for include
> moving out of Springfield District perhaps to
> Braddock District so she can try to screw another
> area of the county as a Supervisor instead of on
> the School Board.

Just to hazard a guess, maybe because she's a hypocrite?

If neither the Dems nor the Republicans would endorse her for even a School Board seat, how could she fare any better as a candidate for Supervisor?

Hopefully she's just getting out of Dodge.

Actually saw her a couple of weeks ago and she looks like she's "on the wagon". She actually looked lucid sort of . . . as much as she can.

Lizzy B - great lover of So Cty MS/HS - has just moved into your neck o' the woods.

Sadly, for Springfield district folks, she is still in da' hood.

Braddock caught a break.

If she thinks she is such a gift to So Cty and the deliverer of FCPS facilities, why'd she get out of Dodge?

The stank is on her and it is going to follow her no matter where she goes.

Looking at the pictures of the house on MLS, notice the bottles of booze in her kitchen, ready for breakfast.

This thread is a prime example of the hate that is Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of the county despises you, the hate you spew here is a part of it.

Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary school is closing and feel this is exactly what you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running again, a lot of us would vote for here just to spite you rascist assholes.

I am sick of the Clifton bashing. We heard you. Now STFU!

This thread Wrote:
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.


Liz:
You have been told, crawl back under your rock and come out when told.
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This thread Wrote:
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> This thread is a prime example of the hate that is
> Clifton. If anyone in your little lily white
> fucking shithole of a town wonders why the rest of
> the county despises you, the hate you spew here is
> a part of it.
>
> Most of us are happy your crappy little elementary
> school is closing and feel this is exactly what
> you pukes deserve. It's a shame Liz isn't running
> again, a lot of us would vote for here just to
> spite you rascist assholes.

Thank you SO MUCH for standing up for that renowned civil rights leader, Liz Bradsher!

She truly has been an inspiration to us all. Not even a Nobel Peace Prize would adequately reward her for the tremendous courage that she has shown. Not everyone can look small children in the eye and lie to them and their parents again and again and again.

stay on the current topic Wrote:
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> I am sick of the Clifton bashing. We heard you.
> Now STFU!

You stfu, and if you don't like hit - simply close your browser.

That's the other thing we don't like about fou fucks. Every time you're criticized you think it is Liz. I have news for you buttercup, those of us bashing you elitist racist bastards and bitches are not Liz, or in local government.

Oh, and we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on the board. Fun times to come.

Troll.

Listen to this crap from her 2011 interview....

Elizabeth Bradsher on Clifton Elementary School
'This is the first time someone said 'No' to Clifton'
By Timothy Follos
January 10, 2011
http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/elizabeth-bradsher-on-clifton-elementary-school

I love the folks that come on here and bash Clifton and defend Liz Bradsher. Defending Liz! That always gives me a chuckle! Liz is toast, end of story. She's already said that she won't be back next year. Good riddance. She may think she can run in another district....she is that delusional. We can only pray that she will do us all a favor and slither away quietly. Go take care of your personal life and family, Liz. Fairfax County has had quite enough of your public service, thank you very much!

As for bashing Clifton, bash away. When your words contain no truth, they are meaningless... Like Liz Bradsher's words, your words are meaningless.

To pull the race card is pathetic and means you have nothing on Clifton.

I pity you.

I feel a divorce is in her near future. Karma works!

This thread Wrote:
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> stay on the current topic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> we can't wait to smear that Shultz wench
> and her family here after she gets Liz's seat on
> the board. Fun times to come.


Lovely. Name caling and planning to smear someone in advance and their family, too?
If she steps in it like Ms. Bradsher has done, which is hardly possible for anyone, that's one thing.
To plot?
Your Grandma would be not be proud.
I read her website and like what I see.
You should have your mouth washed out with soap.
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http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments

She’s back!!

3 Comments
Check out this article in the Connection. Liz Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large seat on the Fairfax County School Board.

She also said that she won’t be running with the GOP or with the Democrats.

“I don’t think I need an endorsement frankly.” She said.

What do you think?

annon says:

June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Excellent case study for any aspiring politician. Lessons learned:

1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!

2. Don’t burn bridges!

3. Pride goes before a fall!

4. FOIA is a b**ch!

She Wouldn't? Wrote:
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> http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
>
> She’s back!!
>
> 3 Comments
> Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
>
> She also said that she won’t be running with the
> GOP or with the Democrats.
>
> “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> frankly.” She said.
>
> What do you think?
>
> annon says:
>
> June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
>
> Excellent case study for any aspiring politician.
> Lessons learned:
>
> 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
>
> 2. Don’t burn bridges!
>
> 3. Pride goes before a fall!
>
> 4. FOIA is a b**ch!


Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board meeting, after this blog posting which was in response to the 6/2 Connection story.

Thomas More Wrote:
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> She Wouldn't? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > http://rednova8.com/wordpress/?p=3991#comments
> >
> > She’s back!!
> >
> > 3 Comments
> > Check out this article in the Connection. Liz
> > Bradsher is planning on running for an at-large
> > seat on the Fairfax County School Board.
> >
> > She also said that she won’t be running with
> the
> > GOP or with the Democrats.
> >
> > “I don’t think I need an endorsement
> > frankly.” She said.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > annon says:
> >
> > June 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm
> >
> > Excellent case study for any aspiring
> politician.
> > Lessons learned:
> >
> > 1. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
> >
> > 2. Don’t burn bridges!
> >
> > 3. Pride goes before a fall!
> >
> > 4. FOIA is a b**ch!
>
>
> Again old news - Her statement that she wasn't
> coming back was made at the 6/9 School Board
> meeting, after this blog posting which was in
> response to the 6/2 Connection story.

Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the school board next year?

too sickened to watch the whole thing Wrote:
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> Does anyone know? What timestamp in the 6/9 SB
> meeting does Liz say she is not returning to the
> school board next year?

At the 1 hour, 39 minute mark into the meeting Liz has a discussion with Dr. Dale. At the end of that discussion she states "I'm not going to be here" at about 1 hour, 39 minutes and 48 seconds. Hope that is what you were looking for.

I will have to review the tape, but it was actually that idiot Rainey who said he was not running again....the crowd burst into applause.

It was awkward.

It was awkward, but he thanked them for encouraging him not to run again! He may be ineffective as a SB member, but he's not stupid. He knows when to get out.

Liz Bradsher did say (at the time stamp justataxpayer was kind enough to look up and provide) that she's not going to be here next year. Unfortunately, you can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. Let's hope she was telling the truth this time and is actually bright enough to know when to get out.

No need to thank me for the encouragement, Liz. It's truly my pleasure to make sure you don't serve in public office again. I'm happy to oblige!

There was applause when Liz announced she wouldn't be back just not as loud as when Ranney made the same announcement.

I wonder what the chances are of the Clifton Charter School application being approved with threads like these. Not very good, I suspect.

Can anyone say 'self inflicted'?

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Thomas More Wrote:
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> There was applause when Liz announced she wouldn't
> be back just not as loud as when Ranney made the
> same announcement.

Hahhahahhahahhahahahaha!

Ha ha ha ha

Liz is getting a divorce Wrote:
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> Ha ha ha ha

That one crosses the line. No matter how challenging a Board member she has been, her personal life should remain that. I hope if this is true she gets some help.

What about this - just caught wind of Mr. Stuban running for FCPS SB at large seat.
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/stuban-might-run-for-fairfax-county-school-board

I can't wait. Will she come out and tell us the news herself?

It's too bad we put our faith in her as she has done nothing for us and just made West Springfield a lightning rod when we didn't deserve it. The rest of the School Bd did us no favors in failing on our renovation.

Some friends sent this.
http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/21/a-sad-day-for-clifton/

Question:

Why did the SOCO Bitch move into the Lake Braddock HS pyramid? What, her precious SOCO wasn't good enough anymore? Did her Crosspoint neighbors finally see through her BS and kick her out?

I feel sorry for her new neighbors. Can you imagine looking out your window to see who the new neighbors are and you see Liz Bradsher? YIKES!! Call the realtor, we're outta here! On second thought, it would probably be more fun to just turn into the neighbors from hell and send her packing, again.

The Washington Post
Virginia Politics
News and Notes on Politics in Richmond and Northern Virginia

Posted at 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011
Fairfax County GOP officially endorses Clifton Elementary School parent for school board as slates take shape

By Fredrick Kunkle


Fairfax County Republican Committee has given its school board endorsement to a Clifton Elementary School parent who decided to run at least in part because of controversy over the closing of the school.

Days after the elementary school marked its last day of classes, the GOP endorsed Elizabeth Schultz in the race for the Springfield District school board seat.

Schultz also took an opening shot at Superintendent Jack Dale.

“The School Board works for and serves the public, not the superintendent,” Schultz said in a written statement. Schultz said that if elected, she would improve the district’s collaboration with the Board of Supervisors and transparency with the public for an entity that consumes more than half the county’s tax revenues. Schultz, who founded Republican Women of Clifton, hopes to replace incumbent Elizabeth T. Bradsher, who sided with the school board majority last year in closing Clilfton. Bradsher chose not to seek re-election.

While some parents still hope pending litigation could lead to a reversal of the board’s decision to close the school, community leaders have joined an effort to establish Fairfax County’s first charter school on the Clifton premises.

Rex Simmons, the Fairfax County Democratic Committee chairman, has said he is confident that voters will return a Democratic majority to the board because of its record of providing excellent schools.

Both parties expect a spirited school board contest this year, as six open seats and a series of high-profile controversies, such as the district’s zero-tolerance disciplinary policy, have sharpened interest in the contests. The races are officially nonpartisan, and so candidates do not run as Republicans or Democrats. But the parties are free to offer endorse their preferred candidates.

Democrats have endorsed 11 candidates, including school board chair Kathy L. Smith (Sully). Other Democratic-endorsed candidates include at-large incumbent school board member Ilryong Moon; Charisse Espy Glassman, who is running for another of the three at-large seats on the board; Ted Velkoff (at-large); John Wittman (Springfield); Patricia Hynes (Hunter Mill); Dranesville District school board member Jane K. Strauss; Mason District school board member Sandra Evans; Megan McLaughlin (Braddock); Tamara Derenak Kaufax (Lee); and Mount Vernon school board member Daniel Storck.

Republicans have endorsed Nell Hurley (Braddock) ; Nancy Linton (Hunter Mill); Louise Epstein (Dranesville); Michele Nellenbach (Mount Vernon); Providence school board member Patricia Reed; and Sheila Ratnam (Sully).

Anthony Bedell, chair of the Fairfax County Republican Committee, said in an email last week that several other candiates will be considered for at-large endorsements at a July 20 GOP party meeting, including Christina Guthrie, Sheree Brown-Kaplan, Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, Lisa Fagan, Li-Dai Kendall and Steve Stuban.

Stuban is the father of a Fairfax County student who committed suicide while he was the subject of serious disciplinary action.

By Fredrick Kunkle | 12:35 PM ET, 06/25/2011


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/fairfax-county-gop-officially-endorses-clifton-elementary-school-parent-for-school-board-as-slates-take-shape/2011/06/24/AGz61fkH_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews&fb_source=profile_oneline

My morning was ruined after I woke up this morning to Robert McCartney's opinion piece in the Metro section of the Washington Post. Unbelievable I don't even know where to begin to respond. Liz is quoted as saying that she is suprised that the Republican Party has turned against her. Maybe she forgot that she said in a newspaper interview in January when asked if she was a Republican-"no."

Was pleased to see Robert McCartney's column in the Post this morning. I have been following this thread for some time now and felt that the nastiness exhibited by most of the writers was way beyond the pale. It is one thing to disagree it is totally another thing to become libelous. Also found it interesting that he identified one of the nasties, Erin Tengesdal. She defends her right to be nasty on freedom of speech. I don't think that kind of nonsense is what the founding fathers had in mind. Even more interesting is that Erin really had no interest in saving the school, her interest was so that her cafe wouldn't lose money. To quote:

"This is just what Erin Tengesdal worries about, the owner of the Clifton Café, a coffee shop on Main Street.

“We’re for sure our sales will go down [if Clifton closes],” Tengesdal said. “On school holidays, there’s less traffic in the town, and we’ve noticed a significant slowdown in business on those days.”

Go take a look at this piece...http://valordictus.com/2009/11/25/clifton-red-strives-to-save-school/.

Yep, real civic minded folks except the damn dollar always gets in the way, right Erin?

Anybody who has had business dealings with this troll know she is nasty,crude,self serving whore. Her cafe is poorly run dirty cesspool of disease.

And you teach your children this behavior?

I thought I read that Stuban is a military officer. If so, he probably is not a VA resident. Almost all military deadbeats claim Florida or Texas as their home of record (no state income tax).

Or do you even have to be a resident to run for the school board?

To Enough Already-

Considering Erin has children that attend Clifton Elementary and she herself grew up and went to Clifton-I think her interest is not just "the damn dollar". She not only runs a business in this community but also lives here. The letter that she wrote to Liz Bradsher was sent many months after the vote to close Clifton. While I don't agree with the tone of the letter I do understand the anger and frustration that led her to write it. Liz Bradsher has been whining about hate mail ever since this issue began yet this is the first example of what maybe could barely be considered hate mail that she has presented. Interesting that she only received it a few weeks ago and immediately ran to the press with it. She probably was thinking "finally I have something to make the Clifton people look bad!"

Liz Bradsher and the other school board members have probably recieved thousands of e-mails and letters from the Clifton community. I guarantee that the majority of them were decent, intelligent, and respectful. Approoximately 300 people got up to speak in front of the school board in support of keeping Clifton open and not one person was disrespectful. I think that speaks louder than one angry e-mail.

Liz Bradsher deserves to be called a liar beacause she did lie. She deserves to be called to deceitful because she is deceitful. But most of all she deserves to be out of office. To be a politician you need a thick skin-she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself and start feeling sorry for all the children whose lives she has negatively impacted.

I had a different reaction. I read McCartney's column and yawned.

There was a time when the Post would have paid good reporters to dig deep into the local politics. Had such a reporter done so here, he or she would have discovered that Liz Bradsher made many cynical deals to keep the schools she wanted built and the school she didn't want closed; that Liz Bradsher did not deal honestly with her constituents; that she repeatedly spoke ill of others who challenged her; and that closing Clifton will not generate the type of cost savings claimed by Bradsher. But, of course, there aren't many good reporters left at the Post, so what you get instead is this type of sanctimonious garbage, which probably took an hour to write and required no serious research.

I'm sure that McCartney is smug enough to think that he knows better than all of Bradsher's angry constituents, but fortunately they are the ones who vote and have let her know that she need not seek political office again in this county.

What would Brian Schoeneman do about the problems with the school board?

Enough already Wrote:
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> Was pleased to see Robert McCartney's column in
> the Post this morning. I have been following this
> thread for some time now and felt that the
> nastiness exhibited by most of the writers was way
> beyond the pale.

I agree, it was great to see someone put the majority of the county's view into print. There is a small nasty and vocal minority down in Clifton, and the details in the article is why most hate the townfolks. It was nice to see Erin's name in print for the garbage she wrote. What a mean spirited person she is.

http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/26/mccartney-is-flat-wrong-on-bradsher-and-clifton/#comments

The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to build their own charter school, the way they feel a charter school should be. They should look at the bright side and take that opportunity.

Liz did them all a favor...

The folks at Clifton should quit acting like babies and stop the WHINING!!!

Otherwise, if the whining continues, I will vote that the Lamb Center relocate to the site...

Feel Better now?

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> http://www.novacommonsense.com/2011/06/26/mccartne
> y-is-flat-wrong-on-bradsher-and-clifton/#comments

+1

One silver lining of this debacle is the prospect that a third-rate political hack like Liz Bradsher will be tossed out of county politics, with a thoughtful, smart newcomer like Brian Schoeneman elected.

Generally people don't spend any time thinking about local elections, and then we get what we deserve - folks like Liz Bradsher and idiotic opinion pieces like the one that just ran in the Post. We can do better. Brian's campaign is evidence.

Excellent response to the Washington Post article by Brian Schoeneman.

I couldn't give a rat's ass what Robert McCartney writes about Fairfax. First, he lives in Maryland, not Virginia. His kid graduated from B-CC. Second, he's a typical Post liberal who starts from the assumption that government is good and can be counted on to do the right thing. Put together his ignorance and his liberal bias and you get this sort of misinformed BS. I'd pay more attention to any weekend reporter who writes for Fairfax Station Patch than I'd pay to what he has to say about FCPS. Tools like McCartney and Marc Fisher almost always get Virginia local affairs wrong.

Fairfax Underground mentioned in this article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/board-member-punished-for-trying-to-do-right-thing-in-fairfax-school-dispute/2011/06/24/AGxt1ElH_story.html

Private School Parent Wrote:
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.


The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.

Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county. Brian does not answer the question as to if it wasn't a savings why would the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if the conspiracy theories were true they would have come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at it's best.

Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.

...
Attachments:

FFx Voter, I am not convinced that it will be a savings. I don't think that case has been made. And by doing this the way they did, they have already driven up the costs to all of us by angering the parents to the point of suing FCPS - if the Board had done the closing correctly and listened to the residents, it didn't have to happen this way.

The whole thing smells fishy to me, and I think many of the voters who have been paying attention to the issue think it smells fishy too. All of the claims FCPS made to justify the closing have been disproved or at least rebutted by the parents.

Posted by: FFX Voter ()
Date: June 26, 2011 01:22PM


Private School Parent Wrote:
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> The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity to
> build their own charter school, the way they feel
> a charter school should be. They should look at
> the bright side and take that opportunity.


The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they would have fought this professionally, instead with libelous smear tactics and hate.

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FFX Voter also wrote:

Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county. Brian does not answer the question as to if it wasn't a savings why would the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if the conspiracy theories were true they would have come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at it's best.

Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For while you'll gain the suport of a couple of hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the wrath of thousands on election day.
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Where to begin...You clearly don't know what you're talking about, as evidenced by the drivel you wrote.

Let's start with your first post, shall we?
The Charter School application has to go to the state BOE before it is submitted to the County. It is a long, tedious process. November is a mere 4-1/2 months away. How fast do you think the state is going to turn that application around? As for Private School Parent's post: "build their own charter school, the way they feel a charter school should be", what a crock! Again, a demonstration of lack of knowledge about Charter Schools.

As for "fought this professionally" - if working with our "representative", Liz Bradsher and FCPS staff in a courteous and respectful manner right up to the very moment she voted to close this school isn't "professional" enough for you, too bad! "Libelous smear tactics"? It's hardly libel when the words written came directly from Ms. Bradsher and FCPS staff emails. Want to talk about libel? Go look up the FOIA'd email where Dean Tisdadt says he thinks they have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack. That's libel! "Hate"? That one I'll admit to. It's well deserved in Ms. Bradsher's case.

On to your second post...
"The fact is closing Clifton is a savings to the county." And you know this how?? Because FCPS says it's so? Oh, well, then it must be true! The fact is closing this school will cost taxpayers more. Hmmm..... $10 million to renovate CES, or $13.7M to do expansions and put trailers at the schools receiving CES students. I don't know what kind of math you learned in elementary school, but according to the math I learned, that doesn't save taxpayers any money.

BTW, Clifton isn't even in Brian's district. And if it were, there are approximately 2200 homes in the Clifton ES attendance area, and their voting percentage is one of the highest in the County. Yeah, Clifton votes and has voting power. If there's a politician that should have distanced himself, it's Dave Albo. (Wait, is this Dave??) He's the only one still supporting Liz and her delusions.

So, that still leaves the question as to why Liz Bradsher and her cronies had such a hard on to close this school. If you find out, we'd love to know! It wasn't any of the reasons they purported as facts.

FFX Voter Wrote:
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> Just read BS's hack piece, supporting Clifton as
> the victim. The fact is closing Clifton is a
> savings to the county. Brian does not answer the
> question as to if it wasn't a savings why would
> the board vote to close it, instead sharing vague
> and unfounded conspiracy theories. Of course if
> the conspiracy theories were true they would have
> come out with the FOIA emails. This is NIMBYism at
> it's best.
>
> Advice for BS, distance yourself from this. For
> while you'll gain the suport of a couple of
> hundred people on five acre lots, you'll incur the
> wrath of thousands on election day.

Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was something less than an honest broker when it came to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS makes decisions with any consistent eye towards saving money or using resources efficiently.

FFX Voter Wrote:
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> Private School Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The folks in Clifton have a prime opportuntity
> to
> > build their own charter school, the way they
> feel
> > a charter school should be. They should look at
> > the bright side and take that opportunity.
>
>
> The Charter School is DOA when it gets to school
> board. If Clifton residents were intelligent they
> would have fought this professionally, instead
> with libelous smear tactics and hate.

Then build a Private School instead, geez....what's the hold up?

You All GOts the Money, being in Clifton and all, no?

Wah!!!!!!!!

Let's hope that the people running for the SB position in this district are not ONE ISSUE CANDIDATES!! If all they are running on is the restore Clifton ES platform, it will just be another bad representative. All candidates should be running with the interests of the ENTIRE COUNTY in mind.

I completely agree with hsparent. With one exception: School Board members serving a specific district, should represent their district.

There are 3 At-large members to represent the best interests of the ENTIRE county. Districts have specific representation for a reason - to look after the constituents of that district.

Ms. Bradsher pitted two schools in her district against each other: WSHS and CES. Neither of them got anything they were promised and both got screwed. The only portion of the County that Ms. Bradsher has ever been concerned about is South County. She was a one issue candidate (preserving community schools) and look where that got her. Not to mention what a joke that campaign promise turned out to be!

FFX Reader Wrote:
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>
> Advice for FFX Reader - look at the FOIAed
> e-mails. They prove that Liz Bradsher was
> something less than an honest broker when it came
> to Clifton. Only a fool would think that FCPS
> makes decisions with any consistent eye towards
> saving money or using resources efficiently.

I've followed the emails in this thread from the beginning. There isn't anything in here that proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's small, it's old, the building is expensive to maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.

Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the school, but this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.

If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy against Clifton that is consistently being alluded to, post it up.

herewegoagin raises a good point. Why is Dave Albo still supporting Liz Bradsher? Anyone that has read any of this thread and the emails received via FOIA requests has to question what Albo's motive is in continuing his support. From what I've read about this, Liz Bradsher shouldn't be in office. Dave Albo's continued support should raise some eyebrows, IMHO.

FFX Voter Wrote:
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> I've followed the emails in this thread from the
> beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since it
> made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple. It's
> small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke and
> mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
>
> Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> school, but this could have been handled a lot
> better by the Clifton community.
>
> If you have an email that reveals the conspiracy
> against Clifton that is consistently being alluded
> to, post it up.

I don't think the test really should be whether all the Clifton residents or those pretending to be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette. They aren't the ones who are responsible for this poor decision.

There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some of her cronies were posted. Have you read them? I think it's hard to do so and not come away completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's behavior.

I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you were objectively looking at the matter, but quite honestly it doesn't really matter at this point. Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being exiled from local political office. That is not going to change, and we can all now agree that one of those things needed to happen.

FFX Voter:
>this could have been handled a lot better by the Clifton community.

how so?
fcps #s sink their argument ship
endless letters and meetings failed and bradsher lied to parents and elected officials face to face
what else could they have done?

what's the battle plan if your person representing you raw deals you at every turn?
Attachments:

links did not attach

FCPS School link is
http://commweb.fcps.edu/directory/

Capital Improvement Project FY2012 Actual link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/cipbook2012-16.pdf

Actual Design Capacity (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html

Actual Enrollment (Dashboard) link is
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/10-11dashboard.html

Bradsher is a gift that just keeps giving
[no matter how much you try to re-gift]
Attachments:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/mornings/clifton-elementary-closes-with-controversy-062711


More spin and BS against Clifton. Oh, poor Liz, she received one hate email out of how many thousands that were sent to her? Cry me a river, Liz. Or PROVE your accusations. You can't! We have the emails you were sent, remember? The ones that FCPS was forced to release only after a judge told you to. Remember those, Liz? Or is this an admission that FCPS DIDN'T release all of the emails as they were supposed to by law? Huh?? Which is it? You can't have it both ways. So where are all these hateful threatening emails, huh Liz? Or is the FFU your only source of hate? Yeah, there's a lot of hate on here directed at you. Prove these posts were made by Clifton residents. How do you know they were't posted by the many, many other "fans" you have throughout FFX Co.?

Hey Fox 5, how about you live up to your commercials and do some investigative reporting of the facts on this issue?

Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling constituents at home to scream at them when they disagreed with her?

Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling the home of a well known parent advocate from the Fairfax Education Coalition and telling her "I will cripple you at the knees" if that parent didn't stop disagreeing with her?

Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling an EMPLOYER of another parent advocate and trying to have her fired for vocalizing her discontent with Liz Bradsher's "representation"?

Where is the report about Liz Bradsher calling another parent at home and telling that parent that she would no longer be able to help that parent with her child's IEP if she didn't stop disagreeing with Ms. Bradsher?

Where is the report about the FOIA'd emails from Bradsher and staff which clearly show in black and white that they violated open meetings laws in Virginia? Which, BTW, a decision in that case is still pending.

Where is the report asking why Dean Tisdadt, COO of FCPS sent an email to several School Board members and Jack Dale claiming " I think we have enough evidence to search Pat Herrity's house for crack!"?

Where are the reports about all the communities that have hated Liz Bradsher for YEARS! She is not some great representative that Clifton residents are picking on for crying out loud! Google Liz Bradsher and you'll see that the discontent with this woman goes back years and is spread across Fairfax County. She didn't earn the name South County Bitch back in 2007 for nothing and Clifton residents for the most part didn't think twice about her before she set her sights on CES.

Where is the report questioning why Dean Tisdadt sent an email to Liz Bradsher telling her not to worry before they attended a meeting with Woodson parents, saying "Don't worry! We'll have them eating out of our hands just like we did Clifton". Where is that report?

Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be respectable news outlets, they better start reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE email out of thousands and used that to paint an entire community. Way to do your job objectively!

Liz Bradsher needs to stop blaming her problems on Clifton. She brought this on herself and it started LONG BEFORE Clifton residents even knew her name!

I kid you not. Wrote:
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> You have to be kidding me....
>
> 100% of the time responding to FOIAs....
>
> It is the criteria of EFFICIENCY that blows me
> away.....100% efficient.
>
> Just another rubber stamping from the School
> Board. When will they learn to question FCPS
> staff?

When they stop referring to the disembodied 'Staff' - it's a person with a name who is supposed to be accountable. If it was Sally Smith the head of cafeterias that prepared the budget that was all screwed up, then fucking say that. Instead we get 'Staff estimates were low'. How about 'Sally fucked up the budget, we should find someone else to do that job'. Arrrrgh..

herewegoagain Wrote:
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>
>
> Tell me! Where are those reports? If Fox 5 and
> the WaPo want to be PR firms for FCPS, they're
> doing a damn fine job of it. If they want to be
> respectable news outlets, they better start
> reporting both sides of the story. You took ONE
> email out of thousands and used that to paint an
> entire community. Way to do your job
> objectively!
>

Obviously, the PR shop at FCPS understands that if they want to keep their jobs, they need to keep the current admin. Thus all the FCPS sponsored articles in the WaPo, etc.

Take a look at the columnist (Robert McCartney) for the Post, and what else he has said in the past - he's out there as much a Liz is:

- "Anonymous postings on a widely read Web site falsely said that she had a drinking problem" - How, exactly, does he know that? Did he run a blood test?

- Re: the Dulles Metro Station - "I’d happily support the plan to pay for the station by gouging drivers on the Dulles Toll Road."

- He was an early and vocal advocate for Vincent Gray, who is just one crack pipe and hooker short of being the re-incarnation of Marion Barry as DC mayor

- Thought Creigh Deeds should have run on a platform of increasing taxes - this in 2009, the depth of the recession

Hard to believe he would have come out full force in support of Liz.

FFX Reader Wrote:
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> FFX Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've followed the emails in this thread from
> the
> > beginning. There isn't anything in here that
> > proves any collusion. Clifton was closed since
> it
> > made fiscal sense to do so, fair and simple.
> It's
> > small, it's old, the building is expensive to
> > maintain and needed renovations. All the smoke
> and
> > mirrors posted her are just that, an illusion.
> >
> > Listen, I know it's heart wrenching to lose the
> > school, but this could have been handled a lot
> > better by the Clifton community.
> >
> > If you have an email that reveals the
> conspiracy
> > against Clifton that is consistently being
> alluded
> > to, post it up.
>
> I don't think the test really should be whether
> all the Clifton residents or those pretending to
> be Clifton residents get an "A" for etiquette.
> They aren't the ones who are responsible for this
> poor decision.
>
> There are multiple web sites where Liz Bradsher's
> e-mails with Tessie Wilson, Dean Tisdadt and some
> of her cronies were posted. Have you read them?
> I think it's hard to do so and not come away
> completely disgusted with Liz Bradsher's
> behavior.
>
> I think you'd reach a similar conclusion if you
> were objectively looking at the matter, but quite
> honestly it doesn't really matter at this point.
> Clifton is being closed, and Liz Bradsher is being
> exiled from local political office. That is not
> going to change, and we can all now agree that one
> of those things needed to happen.


I read the emails and I am not disgusted, but then again I am not in Clifton and my school isn't closing.

You're right, it's over, no sense to keep all the complaining. Time to move on. But, check out the comments on the McCartney article, and here. Let's face it, Erin, Lindai and Schultz ain't letting go.

And facts are still facts. The school was small, it's not going to grow due to the watershed/five acre lot requirement limiting growth, and it was old and needed repairs. While figures can be spun to make a case to leave it open, over mid and long term time frames it needed to be shuttered. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

To all of you who are on this website slandering her name and making up things about her. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I consider myself lucky for being able to have met Liz and been around her for a number of years. She is truly an amazing woman and has worked so hard for all she has done and for her service to the community. She gives everything and all she gets is slander from dumbasses like you people. I'm ashamed to live in this area with people like you. I can't think of a single bad thing to say about Liz Bradsher. Her achievements have gone unrecognized and she gives up her time to give back to a community that does what? Go behind a computer and try to speak ill of her and give her a bad name in the community. I would like to see anyone of you people try and perform the job she does with the same amount of dedication and hard work. I'm glad that she is able to rise above people like you and do a job that I have seen can be very difficult. I'm sure you guys have it easy going to the meeting and sitting in the back, not saying a word and then going online and abusing her. You should be proud of yourselves. Way to not put your names on the posts either. I bet you feel so proud when you put these types of comments up and then run to your little pathetic lives afterwards. It makes me so mad to see what is said about such a wonderful woman. As you can see I put my name on her because I am not afraid who sees it and I fully stand behind Liz Bradsher. Her family and friends are lucky to be around her and know her and I have personally been able to benefit from her good grace and wonderful nature. She is a wonderful person who deserves respect and praise for the job she does. Her children are lucky to have her and they are wonderful children thanks to the job she has done raising them. They are lucky not to have little scared people like yourselves who have no power other than coming on a website and slandering her name. I hope I never meet you people and I'm sure people that have met you feel the same way. Trust me, for your sake you hope I don't meet you either. Amazing what people can do behind a fake name and a website. Go try and be half as amazing as a person as she is. I feel bad for your children.

And for you that put the Jesus poster with the middle finger up. Wow....haha you are worthless and should be ashamed of yourself. I hope that you don't have children because the world doesn't need another person like you.

God you are dumb. Who did you F to make you write that shit. Lame!

Just a hunch.

Hey Bryan-

How many Kegs did Liz buy you to write that crap?

How many kegs did Liz buy me and who did I F? Hahaha good one. How generally old are you people because I honestly hope you don't have kids. Please tell me you don't.

How many kegs did Liz buy me and who did I F? Hahaha good one. How generally old are you people because I honestly hope you don't have kids. Please tell me you don't.

and you get a hunch for gay guys? How often does that happen? Thats pretty telling on its own.