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.22lr for self defense
Posted by: treefiddy ()
Date: April 24, 2019 12:23AM

anyone out there with big enough balls to carry a .22? If people who carry .40 and .45 have small peepees then logically the man with the .22 must have a telephone pole down there. anyone who wants to get shot with a .22 has a pea brain so head shots are not recommended for self defense unless youre really good. but with no recoil you can hit em multiple times in the same square inch before they hit the ground. what are your thoughts? I understand FFXU is 10% pork and 90% crow but I would love to hear from both camps.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: My dick >> your brain ()
Date: April 24, 2019 01:08AM

No. Rimfire is great and .22LR probably my favorite all-around caliber but it's not dependable enough for a defensive weapon. Also not much energy.

My mother was shot 4 times in the chest, back, and neck with a .22 as a kid. I'm here... 'nuf said.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: fofiddy ()
Date: April 24, 2019 01:14AM

If, that's a major if, I were to ever carry a .22 rimfire for personal protection it would be a PMR-30. Since I'm not a brainwashed parrot, I have no problem carrying something that would actually work as advertised, and since I have zero interest in a 9mm, it would be something that will make bigger holes.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: magnumPI ()
Date: April 24, 2019 01:40AM

fofiddy Wrote:
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> If, that's a major if, I were to ever carry a .22
> rimfire for personal protection it would be a
> PMR-30. Since I'm not a brainwashed parrot, I have
> no problem carrying something that would actually
> work as advertised, and since I have zero interest
> in a 9mm, it would be something that will make
> bigger holes.

A walther P22 or ruger SR22 with two 15 rd mags (they exist) would be preferable to the kel tec. that .22mag is klunky as hell. I was mortified when I saw the CP-33. I was really hoping the lr version would be smaller for carry. The whole caliber debate is a sham. anything past 20 yards is murder not self defense. A .22lr at 20yds is like a .223 at 300yds. the .22 short was the first american metallic cartridge, marketed for self defense in the S&W model 1 just before the civil war. when the war broke out larger metallic rimfire loads were adapted for the .44 henry rifle and the .32 S&W model 2 revolver. the big calibers are necessary at battlefield ranges. but with self defense youre us being paranoid, delusional and or compensating with that 45. remember, .45acp was developed for stopping moro warriors with tourniquets tied an all four limbs to prevent bleeding out during suicide attacks.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: ynot ()
Date: April 24, 2019 01:59AM

If someone breaks into my home or threatens my life I think death is too merciful. I want the scumbag to wheel around prison trading his colostomy hole for ramen noodles for a few years before expiring

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Where? ()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:21AM

My dick >> your brain Wrote:
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> No. Rimfire is great and .22LR probably my
> favorite all-around caliber but it's not
> dependable enough for a defensive weapon. Also
> not much energy.
>
> My mother was shot 4 times in the chest, back, and
> neck with a .22 as a kid. I'm here... 'nuf said.

How old were you at the time? How many times were you hit and where? Were you able to kill the shooter after being wounded or were you in shock? I was stabbed and had my skull fractured in two separate incidents. Life is rough man that's why I have the right

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Not a gun nut ()
Date: April 24, 2019 04:39AM

When I carry, it’s a Ruger 380 LPC. I like it because it has a bit of power and is easily concealable.

Having said that, I am constantly on the move during the day, and might have to go to DC at a moment’s notice, so I hardly ever carry. Funny how the most dangerous places I have to travel to (SE DC) will not legally let me have a chance to protect myself.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: DUMBASS DEMS ()
Date: April 24, 2019 07:10AM

treefiddy Wrote:
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> anyone out there with big enough balls to carry a
> .22? If people who carry .40 and .45 have small
> peepees then logically the man with the .22 must
> have a telephone pole down there. anyone who wants
> to get shot with a .22 has a pea brain so head
> shots are not recommended for self defense unless
> youre really good. but with no recoil you can hit
> em multiple times in the same square inch before
> they hit the ground. what are your thoughts? I
> understand FFXU is 10% pork and 90% crow but I
> would love to hear from both camps.

WHY ARE YOU LIBTURD GUYS SO OBSESSED WITH COCKS?????

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Iceman ()
Date: April 24, 2019 07:40AM

.22lr is the favorite caliber for professional hits conducted by organized crime.

Quick, dependable, great for close range head shots because the round tends to bounce around the inside of the skull.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Shooter McKiller ()
Date: April 24, 2019 07:48AM

There was s study a while back about caliber and self defense.

The end result was that 98% of people who would be shot while trying to rape/rob/assault/pillage stopped their attack even when shot with a .22. It seems the simple act of being shot by the victim is enough of a deterrent to stop the attack. The other 2% represented the severely deranged that would only be stopped by bleeding out or other forms of physical incapacitation, like those on PCP etc...

In the end, it matters more that you carry something regardless of caliber - just to actually shoot the nigger is the most important part.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Be wise, all... ()
Date: April 24, 2019 08:26AM

Self-defense? That makes sense if you live in the wilds of Wyoming, Montana, or northern Idaho. In these parts, not so much. What you need around here is a basic home security system. Cheaper than guns, and much more effective.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Answerer of questions ()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:18AM

DUMBASS DEMS Wrote:
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> WHY ARE YOU
> LIBTURD GUYS SO OBSESSED WITH
> COCKS?????



Why do you think "gay liberal" is redundant?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Libs Would Rather Think ()
Date: April 24, 2019 11:56AM

Of unnatural man on man sex then even look at a gun.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Diehard Liberal ()
Date: April 24, 2019 12:03PM

Be wise, all... Wrote:
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> Self-defense? That makes sense if you live in the
> wilds of Wyoming, Montana, or northern Idaho. In
> these parts, not so much. What you need around
> here is a basic home security system. Cheaper
> than guns, and much more effective.

We must do everything possible to protect Democrats' most loyal voters: violent rapists, robbers and killers. That's why we do not permit DC residents or visitors to defend themselves against our favorite constituents.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Beyond stupid... ()
Date: April 24, 2019 12:32PM

We have nothing to fear but all your stupid...

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: LoLz ()
Date: April 24, 2019 12:46PM

LoLz at a .22LR being deadly at 20 yards. Maybe if you were shooting furman

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: The university? ()
Date: April 24, 2019 12:59PM

What is ‘furman’?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: the truth... ()
Date: April 24, 2019 01:00PM

The university? Wrote:
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> What is ‘furman’?


He is a nasty liberal tree rat

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: nigga what? ()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:24PM

Be wise, all... Wrote:
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> Self-defense? That makes sense if you live in the
> wilds of Wyoming, Montana, or northern Idaho. In
> these parts, not so much. What you need around
> here is a basic home security system. Cheaper
> than guns, and much more effective.


That home security system will work really well when a nigger tries to carjack you at the gas station.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Sink Pisser ()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:45PM

magnumPI Wrote:
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> A .22lr at 20yds is like a .223 at 300yds.

Are you insane? In what respect? That the bullet diameters are both about 0.22"?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: tptym ()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:48PM

Be wise, all... Wrote:
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> Self-defense? That makes sense if you live in the
> wilds of Wyoming, Montana, or northern Idaho. In
> these parts, not so much. What you need around
> here is a basic home security system. Cheaper
> than guns, and much more effective.


Those are actually the last places I would feel the need for "self-defense."

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Peter Clemenza ()
Date: April 24, 2019 02:56PM

Iceman Wrote:
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> .22lr is the favorite caliber for professional
> hits conducted by organized crime.
>
> Quick, dependable, great for close range head
> shots because the round tends to bounce around the
> inside of the skull.


"Leave the gun, take the cannoli"
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Poopooandpeepee ()
Date: April 24, 2019 03:24PM

Be wise, all... Wrote:
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> Self-defense? That makes sense if you live in the
> wilds of Wyoming, Montana, or northern Idaho. In
> these parts, not so much. What you need around
> here is a basic home security system. Cheaper
> than guns, and much more effective.


Retard liberal (but I repeat myself) alert.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Maff ()
Date: April 24, 2019 04:14PM

Sink Pisser Wrote:
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> magnumPI Wrote:
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> > A .22lr at 20yds is like a .223 at 300yds.
>
> Are you insane? In what respect? That the bullet
> diameters are both about 0.22"?

At 20 yds a 40 grain CCI stinger has 300ft/lbs behind it. At 300yds 5.56 is around 400ft/lbs. Energy creates shock.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Sink Pisser ()
Date: April 24, 2019 04:45PM

Maff Wrote:
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> At 20 yds a 40 grain CCI stinger has 300ft/lbs
> behind it. At 300yds 5.56 is around 400ft/lbs.
> Energy creates shock.


You are fucking stupid. Stop talking.
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: ruger lcr ()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:10PM

ruger lcr with 5 shots of +p 38 weighs a total of 15.5 oz and can fit into your pocket holder easy peezy.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Not even remotely close ()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:14PM

.22 LR Stinger energy (ft.lbs) at muzzle / 50 / 75 / 100

191 119 96 81


.223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr energy (ft.lbs) at muzzle / 50 / 75 / 100 300

1281 1093 NA 929 457

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Close enough ()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:16PM

Sink Pisser Wrote:
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> Maff Wrote:
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>
> > At 20 yds a 40 grain CCI stinger has 300ft/lbs
> > behind it. At 300yds 5.56 is around 400ft/lbs.
> > Energy creates shock.
>
>
> You are fucking stupid. Stop talking.


Ok I stand correctet. just shy of 200ftlbs is nothing to sneeze at though. And the zero recoil means dozens of these little bees on a dime very quickly if desired. Close range self defense is all we're talking about here, not war or hunting

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Sink Pisser ()
Date: April 24, 2019 05:51PM

Close enough Wrote:
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> Ok I stand correctet. just shy of 200ftlbs is
> nothing to sneeze at though. And the zero recoil
> means dozens of these little bees on a dime very
> quickly if desired. Close range self defense is
> all we're talking about here, not war or hunting


No, it's not even close enough. Out of that Keltec PMR, a standard 40 grain 22mag has under 130 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle.

Given the size/weight of the keltec, I had rather (and do) just carry a single stack 9mm. If I have gotten myself into something that a magazine full of 9mm Critical Defense won't get me out of, I probably deserve what I get.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: pointing out the obvious ()
Date: April 24, 2019 06:24PM

Sink Pisser Wrote:
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> Close enough Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok I stand correctet. just shy of 200ftlbs is
> > nothing to sneeze at though. And the zero
> recoil
> > means dozens of these little bees on a dime
> very
> > quickly if desired. Close range self defense is
> > all we're talking about here, not war or
> hunting
>
>
> No, it's not even close enough. Out of that Keltec
> PMR, a standard 40 grain 22mag has under 130 ft
> lbs of energy at the muzzle.
>
> Given the size/weight of the keltec, I had rather
> (and do) just carry a single stack 9mm. If I have
> gotten myself into something that a magazine full
> of 9mm Critical Defense won't get me out of, I
> probably deserve what I get.
>
> You simply have no idea what you are talking
> about.


that wasn't already obvious?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: wow... ()
Date: April 24, 2019 06:33PM

Maff Wrote:
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> Sink Pisser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > magnumPI Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > A .22lr at 20yds is like a .223 at 300yds.
> >
> > Are you insane? In what respect? That the
> bullet
> > diameters are both about 0.22"?
>
> At 20 yds a 40 grain CCI stinger has 300ft/lbs
> behind it. At 300yds 5.56 is around 400ft/lbs.
> Energy creates shock.


It's actually velocity that creates the shock, it's basic physics.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Sink Pisser ()
Date: April 24, 2019 06:37PM

pointing out the obvious Wrote:

> > You simply have no idea what you are talking
> > about.
>
>
> that wasn't already obvious?

I know.....why waste the effort, maybe the dullard learned something though.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: PC(7p ()
Date: April 24, 2019 08:46PM

My dick >> your brain Wrote:
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> No. Rimfire is great and .22LR probably my
> favorite all-around caliber but it's not
> dependable enough for a defensive weapon. Also
> not much energy.
>
> My mother was shot 4 times in the chest, back, and
> neck with a .22 as a kid. I'm here... 'nuf said.

Who did she piss off?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: ow... ()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:17PM

wow... Wrote:
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> Maff Wrote:
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> > Sink Pisser Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > magnumPI Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> > > -----
> > > > A .22lr at 20yds is like a .223 at 300yds.
> > >
> > > Are you insane? In what respect? That the
> > bullet
> > > diameters are both about 0.22"?
> >
> > At 20 yds a 40 grain CCI stinger has 300ft/lbs
> > behind it. At 300yds 5.56 is around 400ft/lbs.
> > Energy creates shock.
>
>
> It's actually velocity that creates the shock,
> it's basic physics.


It's both. The transfer of kinetic energy (and momentum) to the target is what does the damage. KE increases with the square of velocity:

KE = 1/2 MV2

So velocity has the greater effect vs mass but mass still is significant in the equation.

That ignores a whole host of other variables as far as drag, penetration, how a bullet may deform and act within (tumbling, fragmenting, etc.).

But a .22 LR is even worse on that basis:


.223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr
Range Drop
(inches) Velocity Energy Time
(milliseconds)

0 -1.4944 3239 1281 0
50 -0.2598 2992 1093 49
100 0.0017 2759 929 101
150 -0.8818 2537 786 157
200 -3.1190 2326 661 219
250 -6.9673 2125 551 287
300 -12.7464 1934 457 361


Stinger .22

0 1640
50 1292
75 1162
100 1066


The .223 is about 2X as fast at the muzzle and still moving at 1,934 fps @ 300 yards, more than the .22 at the muzzle.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: yea but ()
Date: April 24, 2019 09:28PM

Without velocity, there is no energy.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Ballistic Calculator ()
Date: April 24, 2019 10:13PM

But this isn't some undefined hypothetical.

There is #1 (.22 LR) and #2 (.223/5.56).

#1 = 32 gr @ 1,640 (muzzle) = 191 ft.lbs.

#2 = 55 gr @ 1,934 (300 yards) = 457 ft. lbs.

The delta in energy between them, +2X even with the difference in distance, is a function of both M & V, not just V.

Better example that's more comparable and highlights the effect of mass better.

A. 223 Remington, American Eagle (Federal) FMJ, 62gr
vs
B. .17 Remington, Remington AccuTip BT, 20gr

Distance Velocity (A/B) Energy (A/B)
0 3019 4249 1255 802
100 2713 3594 1013 574
300 2158 2530 641 284

Even though the .17 is moving much faster, that's not enough to make up for the lesser mass of the smaller/lighter bullet in terms of energy.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: yea but ()
Date: April 24, 2019 10:22PM

I'm not the idiot that said the .22 is deadly at 20yds, I have about 10 manuals that sit at the reloading bench. You keep comparing apples to oranges because of similar bullet weights and a dumb shit troll. But the bottom line is, there is zero energy with zero velocity. You have to have movement to have energy. If you take a given mass at a slow speed there is minimal energy, the same exact mass at a high velocity has exponential energy. E=MC2

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: arguing irrelevance ()
Date: April 25, 2019 12:30AM

yea but Wrote:
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> I'm not the idiot that said the .22 is deadly at
> 20yds, I have about 10 manuals that sit at the
> reloading bench. You keep comparing apples to
> oranges because of similar bullet weights and a
> dumb shit troll. But the bottom line is, there is
> zero energy with zero velocity. You have to have
> movement to have energy. If you take a given mass
> at a slow speed there is minimal energy, the same
> exact mass at a high velocity has exponential
> energy. E=MC2


Everybody knows that Hornadytard. There's no point in talking about a non-moving bullet and comparing the same mass at slow vs high speed is boneheadedly obvious. You're saying nothing. It's clear that I understand the influence of velocity since I gave the formula above and commented on that specifically.

Once things are moving, which they are in all cases that matter, is when it becomes interesting and then it's not just velocity. Mass makes a huge difference in energy that velocity alone can't overcome (within any reasonable practical limits at least).

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: just sayin.. ()
Date: April 25, 2019 12:42AM

arguing irrelevance Wrote:
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> yea but Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not the idiot that said the .22 is deadly
> at
> > 20yds, I have about 10 manuals that sit at the
> > reloading bench. You keep comparing apples to
> > oranges because of similar bullet weights and a
> > dumb shit troll. But the bottom line is, there
> is
> > zero energy with zero velocity. You have to
> have
> > movement to have energy. If you take a given
> mass
> > at a slow speed there is minimal energy, the
> same
> > exact mass at a high velocity has exponential
> > energy. E=MC2
>
>
> Everybody knows that Hornadytard. There's no
> point in talking about a non-moving bullet and
> comparing the same mass at slow vs high speed is
> boneheadedly obvious. You're saying nothing. It's
> clear that I understand the influence of velocity
> since I gave the formula above and commented on
> that specifically.
>
> Once things are moving, which they are in all
> cases that matter, is when it becomes interesting
> and then it's not just velocity. Mass makes a
> huge difference in energy that velocity alone
> can't overcome (within any reasonable practical
> limits at least).


you should study the ballistics of meteor impacts

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Dummy Round ()
Date: April 25, 2019 01:05AM

You should study reasoning.

What's the effect of velocity on zero mass?

Exactly.

Which is the same nonsense argument that you're trying to make in reverse.

The correct answer is, as I said originally, that the effective energy delivered is a result of both.

KE = 1/2 MV2

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: LineBetweenBraveryAndStupidity ()
Date: April 25, 2019 06:29PM

yea but Wrote:
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> I'm not the idiot that said the .22 is deadly at
> 20yds, I have about 10 manuals that sit at the
> reloading bench. You keep comparing apples to
> oranges because of similar bullet weights and a
> dumb shit troll. But the bottom line is, there is
> zero energy with zero velocity. You have to have
> movement to have energy. If you take a given mass
> at a slow speed there is minimal energy, the same
> exact mass at a high velocity has exponential
> energy. E=MC2
folks took deer at 50+yds during the great depression with .22l ongs. long rifle will cut through a rack of pork ribs and a chuck roast at 200yds.. would yo like to volunteer to be my block of bllistic gelatin this weekend? meet me at clark brothers saturday around noon. wear bright clothes cause me eyesight is 20/15 in both eyes

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: keyboard commando ()
Date: April 25, 2019 09:55PM

LineBetweenBraveryAndStupidity Wrote:
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> yea but Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not the idiot that said the .22 is deadly
> at
> > 20yds, I have about 10 manuals that sit at the
> > reloading bench. You keep comparing apples to
> > oranges because of similar bullet weights and a
> > dumb shit troll. But the bottom line is, there
> is
> > zero energy with zero velocity. You have to
> have
> > movement to have energy. If you take a given
> mass
> > at a slow speed there is minimal energy, the
> same
> > exact mass at a high velocity has exponential
> > energy. E=MC2
> folks took deer at 50+yds during the great
> depression with .22l ongs. long rifle will cut
> through a rack of pork ribs and a chuck roast at
> 200yds.. would yo like to volunteer to be my block
> of bllistic gelatin this weekend? meet me at clark
> brothers saturday around noon. wear bright clothes
> cause me eyesight is 20/15 in both eyes


based on your typing skills, I'm guessing it's going to take you all day to pedal your tricycle all the way down to Opal

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Fucking savage m8 ()
Date: September 03, 2019 03:45AM

ynot Wrote:
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> If someone breaks into my home or threatens my
> life I think death is too merciful. I want the
> scumbag to wheel around prison trading his
> colostomy hole for ramen noodles for a few years
> before expiring

Aim for the gonads my dude. Godspeed!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Maim and disfigure ()
Date: September 03, 2019 11:30PM

Fucking savage m8 Wrote:
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> ynot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > If someone breaks into my home or threatens my
> > life I think death is too merciful. I want the
> > scumbag to wheel around prison trading his
> > colostomy hole for ramen noodles for a few
> years
> > before expiring
>
> Aim for the gonads my dude. Godspeed!


I would say just a bit higher but not too much higher.. a groin shot could sever the assailants femoral artery, sparing him from the earthly torment such people deserve. bleeding out quickly is relatively painless. Above the navel and you risk hitting the aorta which is even quicker than the femoral. Heart shots stop the blood from flowing but the brain continues to function until whatever blood left up there is depleted of oxygen - ask a heart attack survivor, it's neither instantaneous nor painless and you can remain conscious for minutes in agony. The aorta is just below the heart so when it's severed, blood continues to pump into the abdominal cavity and consciousness is lost in seconds, much too merciful for a would-be home invader, robber, rapist or murder. I have heard that a collapsed right lung is excruciating and can be survived with prompt surgery so this is another option. The lower gut has better odds if you want to see the perp get his colostomy hole turnt out down state for sure though! Happy trails!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Practical anatomy ()
Date: September 03, 2019 11:38PM

Maim and disfigure Wrote:
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> Fucking savage m8 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ynot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If someone breaks into my home or threatens
> my
> > > life I think death is too merciful. I want
> the
> > > scumbag to wheel around prison trading his
> > > colostomy hole for ramen noodles for a few
> > years
> > > before expiring
> >
> > Aim for the gonads my dude. Godspeed!
>
>
> I would say just a bit higher but not too much
> higher.. a groin shot could sever the assailants
> femoral artery, sparing him from the earthly
> torment such people deserve. bleeding out quickly
> is relatively painless. Above the navel and you
> risk hitting the aorta which is even quicker than
> the femoral. Heart shots stop the blood from
> flowing but the brain continues to function until
> whatever blood left up there is depleted of oxygen
> - ask a heart attack survivor, it's neither
> instantaneous nor painless and you can remain
> conscious for minutes in agony. The aorta is just
> below the heart so when it's severed, blood
> continues to pump into the abdominal cavity and
> consciousness is lost in seconds, much too
> merciful for a would-be home invader, robber,
> rapist or murder. I have heard that a collapsed
> right lung is excruciating and can be survived
> with prompt surgery so this is another option. The
> lower gut has better odds if you want to see the
> perp get his colostomy hole turnt out down state
> for sure though! Happy trails!

Jesus fucking Christ! who puts this much thought into maiming innocent home invaders? Shoot center mass. It's a quick exchange of gunfire, not exploring the neighbor's cat with an ice pick.... Wtf?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: OP Is A Sick Democrat Pervert ()
Date: September 03, 2019 11:39PM

That's why he injected that sick porn post here about male organs, that's all these pervs have on their minds 24/7 they like to see their words in print

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: I'm aghast ()
Date: September 03, 2019 11:48PM

OP Is A Sick Democrat Pervert Wrote:
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> That's why he injected that sick porn post here
> about male organs, that's all these pervs have on
> their minds 24/7 they like to see their words in
> print

I am most certainly not a democrat! Of all the nerve!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Biden bought a shotgun ()
Date: September 03, 2019 11:52PM

Step 1: buy a double barreled shotgun.

Step 2: go out on the balcony and fire two warning blasts

Step 3: Iroquois war club?? Don't forget to scalp em!

Buy a shotgun! Biden sez they are the best!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Canik 9 ()
Date: September 04, 2019 12:01AM

fofiddy Wrote:
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> If, that's a major if, I were to ever carry a .22
> rimfire for personal protection it would be a
> PMR-30. Since I'm not a brainwashed parrot, I have
> no problem carrying something that would actually
> work as advertised, and since I have zero interest
> in a 9mm, it would be something that will make
> bigger holes.

Hating on the 9mm only detracts from your credibly. Canik (pronounced zshanik) is a Turkish manufacturer that is selling a 20 rd Glock clone for $250 new. Canik's are rock solid and dependable. Worth twice the price!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Jew gun ()
Date: September 04, 2019 12:27AM

Nice gun, the Jew 70
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Fun, but not for defense ()
Date: September 04, 2019 12:47AM

No 22 will stop a grown male - especially if he's twerking - unless you get lucky and hit an aorta or the heart. Even a head shot won't make enough of a wound tunnel to stop a man unless you hit exactly the right part of the brain. It is more likely than not that six shots to center mass will miss anything that will stop the threat immediately. That's not to say I'd volunteer to be shot by one - of course it's going to require a trip to the ER. But it's not going to kill a man unless you get a grouping on the head. 22's are for fun and small varmints, not defense.

Anyone who says a 9 won't get the job done is an imbecile.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Beretta is Italian ()
Date: September 04, 2019 12:53AM

Jew gun Wrote:
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> Nice gun, the Jew 70

Not Jewish but the 70 series were great. Shame you can't get em without that faggot ass faux suppressor anymore. The newer beretta tip ups just seem gimmicky to me. Also Israel is the only speck of light in a very dark corner of the world. Antisemites are as ignorant as they come smdh

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Ignorance is bliss ()
Date: September 04, 2019 01:09AM

Fun, but not for defense Wrote:
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> No 22 will stop a grown male - especially if he's
> twerking - unless you get lucky and hit an aorta
> or the heart. Even a head shot won't make enough
> of a wound tunnel to stop a man unless you hit
> exactly the right part of the brain. It is more
> likely than not that six shots to center mass will
> miss anything that will stop the threat
> immediately. That's not to say I'd volunteer to
> be shot by one - of course it's going to require a
> trip to the ER. But it's not going to kill a man
> unless you get a grouping on the head. 22's are
> for fun and small varmints, not defense.
>
> Anyone who says a 9 won't get the job done is an
> imbecile.

Any shot placement that will stop a man will do so regardless of caliber. Lungs, gut, head etc... I understand that you may be a bit ignorant on the subject but .22 will absolutely penetrate a human skull at self defense range. People have this image of a .45 knocking you across the room like it's avada kadavra but it doesn't work like the movies. A punctured lung will drop you in your tracks. Spine, heart - paralyzed/dead. kidneys, liver, etc will double a man over faster than a liter of everclear. The whole drug induced frenzy steryotype is barely an exception to the rule. Shot placement is the key and recoil is a bigger handicap than people realize in close quarters.

The .22 was designed for close self defense by S&W for their model 1 revolver just before the civil war began and the metallic cartridge was scaled up for battlefield ranges.. shoot a man in "self defense" past 20 yards and you will be convicted of murder 9/10 times even in lenient states

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: One stop shot ()
Date: September 04, 2019 01:21AM

31% one shot stop for the .22, the other 69% were two shot stops ;) whoever said a .22 might require an ER trip but wouldn't kill is setting himself up for a fun time in the morgue or at the very least he will have a new poop hole or two!
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Kapwing like supahman ()
Date: September 04, 2019 01:34AM

Pshaw! A .22 will bounce right off a negroid cranium at point-blank range and kill the nearest cracker stone dead on the ricochet! It's not about the size of the phallic object, it's about how sick nasty you be wit it!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Nigga don’t know shit ()
Date: September 04, 2019 02:20AM

https://youtu.be/loPofqh8aGo

22 will blast you
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: 22 suck on Niggers ()
Date: September 04, 2019 02:37AM

Look at this Nog. 22 still breathing.
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Oh I be sick nasty alright ()
Date: September 04, 2019 01:04PM

Kapwing like supahman Wrote:
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> Pshaw! A .22 will bounce right off a negroid
> cranium at point-blank range and kill the nearest
> cracker stone dead on the ricochet! It's not about
> the size of the phallic object, it's about how
> sick nasty you be wit it!

The trick with niggers is to aim for their prized possession. Shoot them in the dong and they will lose all reason to live and off themselves for you

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: rtg4re ()
Date: September 04, 2019 02:13PM


gerrymanderer2 (OP) posts several lies on ffu daily - many\.10think he's a fx co gov worker who is getting paid to do it for false DNC democrat "advertising". he floods ffu with useless posts to bump down major news, posts fecal matter, mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and government should seize them and put them on psych pills in prison - decided by democrat gov of course, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants, posts black males with large dicks on white young females, portends white low birth rate and fall of USA, food tampering/poisoning, and anything possible to DEMORALIZE white people on ffu. (perhaps a chinese prisoner or isis member - but definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the inside at times). the website operator has told him "not to post or return" which are still posted - not removed, by the sysop: not because of a political leaning but for continual illegal and gross spam along with messages that are only to demoralize if not kill others. he/she plays at financial terrorism as well: continuall reporting false financial data, and fake emergency please from (fake members of the community he makes up)

MUTILATION PHOTOS - AND PROBABLY ALL THE POSTS ARE G2

GOD I HOPE THEY LOCK YOU UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY


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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: STUCK ON CAPS LOCK ()
Date: September 04, 2019 10:32PM

rtg4re Wrote:
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>


> gerrymanderer2 (OP) posts several lies on ffu
> daily - many\.10think he's a fx co gov worker who
> is getting paid to do it for false DNC democrat
> "advertising". he floods ffu with useless posts
> to bump down major news, posts fecal matter,
> mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and
> sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and
> government should seize them and put them on psych
> pills in prison - decided by democrat gov of
> course, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives
> anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants,
> posts black males with large dicks on white young
> females, portends white low birth rate and fall of
> USA, food tampering/poisoning, and anything
> possible to DEMORALIZE white people on ffu.
> (perhaps a chinese prisoner or isis member - but
> definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the
> inside at times). the website operator has told
> him "not to post or return" which are still posted
> - not removed, by the sysop: not because of a
> political leaning but for continual illegal and
> gross spam along with messages that are only to
> demoralize if not kill others. he/she plays at
> financial terrorism as well: continuall reporting
> false financial data, and fake emergency please
> from (fake members of the community he makes up)
>
> MUTILATION PHOTOS - AND PROBABLY ALL THE POSTS ARE
> G2
>
> GOD I HOPE THEY LOCK YOU UP AND THROW AWAY THE
> KEY
>
>



I'm curious as to who the fuck would think that Fairfax underground is some kind of propoganda machine? It's about as obscure as websites get. I could post a 600 page manifesto about why I'm blowing up that damn mosque on Shirley gate and as long as I don't actually do it no journalist would ever sniff it out.. take your meds you crazy bat no one cares

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Jennings Can Save Your Life ()
Date: September 04, 2019 10:43PM

A lil .22LR Jennings with CCI stingers can be a lil bitch if your in a real jam,EZ to conceal and with stingers very reliable if you have the pistol sorted out by a good gunsmith many cops have relied on this lil piece for their 2nd hideout firearm next to their snub .38 special

As far as a .22 LR and its performance two questions need to be answered

1. What pistol did Sirhan Sirhan kill Bobby Kennedy With in June 1968

Answer a .22LR Iver Johnson Model 55

2. What pistol did John Hinckley attempt to kill President Reagan with in 1981

Answer a .22LR revolver

Secret Service Special Agent Tim McCarthy heroically spread eagle in front of Hinkley taking the bullet that was intended to hit the president, the only SS agent that has actually ever done that , watch tapes of that scene they are online . McCarthy went straight down from that single .22LR hit as the president was hit by another bullet that ricocheted off the limos glass and hit him in the chest, fast great work by the Secret Service and doctors at George Washington hospital saved Reagans life thank god

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McCarthy

All said a .22LR can save your life but its much more preferable to have a 9mm or . 38 special at the minimum at hand , a .45acp is the best you can get , the worlds best combat fighting handgun is the 1911 Colt in my and many others opinion or a new type Kimber Les Bauer or other good copy , right on Col Cooper USMC RIP

Remember the first rule of any gunfight "Have a Gun" thanks Sean Connery lol as well as "Never Bring a Knife to A Gunfight" was that Clint

DAJAX Double Action Jackson who still favors my 5 shot DA only S&W snub .38 airweight or DA only S&W M-60 NY-1 (that's a New York 1 Look It Up) or my old issued blue steel 6 shot S&W M 10 4" HB or personal 686 S&W .357 4" as backup to a pair of old slabsides the 1911 Colt .45acps

The only other advice Ill give you is join a good range like Sharpshooters in Newington or the NRA range and practice practice practice safety first with hearing protection and safety shooting glasses as well as keeping that muzzle from pointing at any living person shooting with either and both hands shooting in as many different positions as you can ,rapidly clearing jams or malfunctions , proper grip upon the firearm reloading speed drills, presenting the handgun drills from concealment or a holster of various types , keeping in good physical shape and metal alertness knowing where you are at all times and who is around you and your loved ones, use of cover and escape routes for your family and you and do head to Gunsight if you ever can founded by Col Jeff Cooper USMC retired Plus the best advice of all KNOW THE LAWS OF SELF DEFENSE AND WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING (Hands fully up weapon down on the ground away from your reach when officers arrive OBEY ALL COMMANDS FROM OFFICERS AT THE SCENE then ..Keep your mouth tightly shut and only give any statement to your lawyer who you will have to hire ASAP ) Avoid Trouble Spots ! An ounce of prevention ...

https://www.gunsite.com/course-offerings/pistol/

If your going to carry a gun know how to use it well and instinctively the life you may save may be yours or loved ones. Join The NRA support your right to keep and bear arms and VOTE ALWAYS VOTE ! TO KEEP YOUR RIGHTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: An imposter DAJAX ()
Date: September 04, 2019 11:13PM

Jennings Can Save Your Life Wrote:
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> A lil .22LR Jennings with CCI stingers can be a
> lil bitch if your in a real jam,EZ to conceal and
> with stingers very reliable if you have the pistol
> sorted out by a good gunsmith many cops have
> relied on this lil piece for their 2nd hideout
> firearm next to their snub .38 special
>
> As far as a .22 LR and its performance two
> questions need to be answered
>
> 1. What pistol did Sirhan Sirhan kill Bobby
> Kennedy With in June 1968
>
> Answer a .22LR Iver Johnson Model 55
>
> 2. What pistol did John Hinckley attempt to kill
> President Reagan with in 1981
>
> Answer a .22LR revolver
>
> Secret Service Special Agent Tim McCarthy
> heroically spread eagle in front of Hinkley taking
> the bullet that was intended to hit the president,
> the only SS agent that has actually ever done that
> , watch tapes of that scene they are online .
> McCarthy went straight down from that single .22LR
> hit as the president was hit by another bullet
> that ricocheted off the limos glass and hit him in
> the chest, fast great work by the Secret Service
> and doctors at George Washington hospital saved
> Reagans life thank god
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McCarthy
>
> All said a .22LR can save your life but its much
> more preferable to have a 9mm or . 38 special at
> the minimum at hand , a .45acp is the best you can
> get , the worlds best combat fighting handgun is
> the 1911 Colt in my and many others opinion or a
> new type Kimber Les Bauer or other good copy ,
> right on Col Cooper USMC RIP
>
> Remember the first rule of any gunfight "Have a
> Gun" thanks Sean Connery lol as well as "Never
> Bring a Knife to A Gunfight" was that Clint
>
> DAJAX Double Action Jackson who still favors my 5
> shot DA only S&W snub .38 airweight or DA only S&W
> M-60 NY-1 (that's a New York 1 Look It Up) or my
> old issued blue steel 6 shot S&W M 10 4" HB or
> personal 686 S&W .357 4" as backup to a pair of
> old slabsides the 1911 Colt .45acps
>
> The only other advice Ill give you is join a good
> range like Sharpshooters in Newington or the NRA
> range and practice practice practice safety first
> with hearing protection and safety shooting
> glasses as well as keeping that muzzle from
> pointing at any living person shooting with either
> and both hands shooting in as many different
> positions as you can ,rapidly clearing jams or
> malfunctions , proper grip upon the firearm
> reloading speed drills, presenting the handgun
> drills from concealment or a holster of various
> types , keeping in good physical shape and metal
> alertness knowing where you are at all times and
> who is around you and your loved ones, use of
> cover and escape routes for your family and you
> and do head to Gunsight if you ever can founded by
> Col Jeff Cooper USMC retired Plus the best advice
> of all KNOW THE LAWS OF SELF DEFENSE AND WHAT TO
> DO IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING (Hands fully
> up weapon down on the ground away from your reach
> when officers arrive OBEY ALL COMMANDS FROM
> OFFICERS AT THE SCENE then ..Keep your mouth
> tightly shut and only give any statement to your
> lawyer who you will have to hire ASAP ) Avoid
> Trouble Spots ! An ounce of prevention ...
>
> https://www.gunsite.com/course-offerings/pistol/
>
>
> If your going to carry a gun know how to use it
> well and instinctively the life you may save may
> be yours or loved ones. Join The NRA support your
> right to keep and bear arms and VOTE ALWAYS VOTE !
> TO KEEP YOUR RIGHTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!


The real DAJAX would never recommend a Jennings! ANYTHING but a Jennings lol - EXCEPT a revolver or a 1911. Sure back in the day a wheelgun was plenty but DAJAX knows those days are gone . These days even if all 8 .45 hardballs make their mark the other 10 negroes will dog pile you - speaking of Reagan, that hotel he got popped on front of had an incident recently. I have a feeling anyone with a Colt Commander would've been beat to death with his own empty gun in that situation. This is where the PMR 30 really shines. Flush fit 30 round mag with a light polymer frame you can tuck all day. Niggers aren't really as unstoppable as they get credit for - unless they are on heavy stimulants - but they are extremely gregorious and become more aggressive in pack formation. In modern times, capacity > caliber end of story

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: USCC rep ()
Date: September 04, 2019 11:18PM

Jennings Can Save Your Life Wrote:
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> A lil .22LR Jennings with CCI stingers can be a
> lil bitch if your in a real jam,EZ to conceal and
> with stingers very reliable if you have the pistol
> sorted out by a good gunsmith many cops have
> relied on this lil piece for their 2nd hideout
> firearm next to their snub .38 special
>
> As far as a .22 LR and its performance two
> questions need to be answered
>
> 1. What pistol did Sirhan Sirhan kill Bobby
> Kennedy With in June 1968
>
> Answer a .22LR Iver Johnson Model 55
>
> 2. What pistol did John Hinckley attempt to kill
> President Reagan with in 1981
>
> Answer a .22LR revolver
>
> Secret Service Special Agent Tim McCarthy
> heroically spread eagle in front of Hinkley taking
> the bullet that was intended to hit the president,
> the only SS agent that has actually ever done that
> , watch tapes of that scene they are online .
> McCarthy went straight down from that single .22LR
> hit as the president was hit by another bullet
> that ricocheted off the limos glass and hit him in
> the chest, fast great work by the Secret Service
> and doctors at George Washington hospital saved
> Reagans life thank god
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McCarthy
>
> All said a .22LR can save your life but its much
> more preferable to have a 9mm or . 38 special at
> the minimum at hand , a .45acp is the best you can
> get , the worlds best combat fighting handgun is
> the 1911 Colt in my and many others opinion or a
> new type Kimber Les Bauer or other good copy ,
> right on Col Cooper USMC RIP
>
> Remember the first rule of any gunfight "Have a
> Gun" thanks Sean Connery lol as well as "Never
> Bring a Knife to A Gunfight" was that Clint
>
> DAJAX Double Action Jackson who still favors my 5
> shot DA only S&W snub .38 airweight or DA only S&W
> M-60 NY-1 (that's a New York 1 Look It Up) or my
> old issued blue steel 6 shot S&W M 10 4" HB or
> personal 686 S&W .357 4" as backup to a pair of
> old slabsides the 1911 Colt .45acps
>
> The only other advice Ill give you is join a good
> range like Sharpshooters in Newington or the NRA
> range and practice practice practice safety first
> with hearing protection and safety shooting
> glasses as well as keeping that muzzle from
> pointing at any living person shooting with either
> and both hands shooting in as many different
> positions as you can ,rapidly clearing jams or
> malfunctions , proper grip upon the firearm
> reloading speed drills, presenting the handgun
> drills from concealment or a holster of various
> types , keeping in good physical shape and metal
> alertness knowing where you are at all times and
> who is around you and your loved ones, use of
> cover and escape routes for your family and you
> and do head to Gunsight if you ever can founded by
> Col Jeff Cooper USMC retired Plus the best advice
> of all KNOW THE LAWS OF SELF DEFENSE AND WHAT TO
> DO IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING (Hands fully
> up weapon down on the ground away from your reach
> when officers arrive OBEY ALL COMMANDS FROM
> OFFICERS AT THE SCENE then ..Keep your mouth
> tightly shut and only give any statement to your
> lawyer who you will have to hire ASAP ) Avoid
> Trouble Spots ! An ounce of prevention ...
>
> https://www.gunsite.com/course-offerings/pistol/
>
>
> If your going to carry a gun know how to use it
> well and instinctively the life you may save may
> be yours or loved ones. Join The NRA support your
> right to keep and bear arms and VOTE ALWAYS VOTE !
> TO KEEP YOUR RIGHTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Forget the NRA - a USCCA membership is the most important thing for any gun owner. If that day comes you will want the best representation possible and USCCA is how you get it

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: SAY What ? LOL ()
Date: September 04, 2019 11:44PM

My lil sneaky Jennings was a great backup Sneaky Pete, with my main man my NY-1

DAJAX The Cook Don't talk so bad bout Black Folk will ya young un they helped build America even thou they were enslaved and were mistreated so bad for years and have served bravely in our armed forces and police depts and as our 44th president thou I did not agree with many of Obamas policies nor ever voted for him I still have great respect for him, he could have been a great president if not for the gun grab attempts and too many of his other failed ideas , if he only defended our constitution all the way and our borders all the way ..but alas he did not!

High class Naw Orleans pimp white plastic grips on that lil Sneaky Pete
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Legal advice please ()
Date: September 04, 2019 11:59PM

ynot Wrote:
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> If someone breaks into my home or threatens my
> life I think death is too merciful. I want the
> scumbag to wheel around prison trading his
> colostomy hole for ramen noodles for a few years0p
When I posted this, I meant it. If someone ever tries to seriously wound or kill me I want to maim them greusomely and let them live with it for decades. My question is this: if I do ever have to shoot for my life, would the prosecution use these posts to draw my character into question? Of course I certainly don't ever expect to use my guns here in sleepy Fairfax county, pure curiosity?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: The Answer Is ... ()
Date: September 05, 2019 12:17AM

Yes sleep tight lol

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Thanks old buddy ()
Date: September 05, 2019 01:48AM

The Answer Is ... Wrote:
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> Yes sleep tight lol


What if I shot an appropriate number of times to stop the attack and just happened to hit the nonfatal ouchie spots? I think it shows that my character is both just and merciful if I do say so myself! Of course the ungrateful little shit would undoubtedly attempt to sue me for sparing his life and I'm not sure if USCCA pays for civil representation or just criminal.. on the flip side, if I actually killed an assailant, would my posts demonstrate that my character is not of a murderer but of someone who did his best to use the minimum amount of force and the death was pure self defense?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Final word on this subject ()
Date: September 05, 2019 09:45AM

Although it is rather clumsy to carry around for daily self defense, the 37MM anti tank gun will stop most anything or anybody.
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: As Far AS Guns Go ()
Date: September 05, 2019 12:56PM

THIS IS THE FINAL WORD

USS IOWA BROADSIDE SALVO 16"/ 50 caliber fire

DAJAX It beats the hell out of a .22 Jennings and a prayer any day . What I Call Packing Some Heat lol
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Little tiny bugs ()
Date: September 05, 2019 11:15PM

As Far AS Guns Go Wrote:
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> THIS IS THE FINAL WORD
>
> USS IOWA BROADSIDE SALVO 16"/ 50 caliber fire
>
> DAJAX It beats the hell out of a .22 Jennings and
> a prayer any day . What I Call Packing Some Heat
> lol

These days all you have to do to cripple an Armada is have the geek at the McDonald's right off base infect a few burgers with a vial of something from Siberia just before a sortie and watch the ghost ships sail off into their eternal quarantine. Guns are cute lol

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Jhoon Rhee ()
Date: September 05, 2019 11:46PM

Carr USA 1000, you not needee no gun rhen takkee Jhoon Rhee serf defense. You too can say NOBOTTY BOTHAH ME!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Kung Pao Fighting ()
Date: September 05, 2019 11:56PM

Jhoon Rhee Wrote:
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> Carr USA 1000, you not needee no gun rhen takkee
> Jhoon Rhee serf defense. You too can say NOBOTTY
> BOTHAH ME!


Jet Li deesarm white debir an fierd strip pistor one fruid move. Gun for fat razy American no neeeed
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Preferred by poachers ()
Date: September 06, 2019 12:03AM

A sawed off .22 rifle with an oil filter can on the end is the weapon of choice for spotlighting deer. It will absolutely put deer meat in the kitchen freezer and nigger meat in the morgue freezer. Keep one in the closet with a few bricks of ammo and you will never starve the rest of your life. it makes a handy home defense piece too

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: You sound a little brainwashed. ()
Date: September 07, 2019 06:46AM

fofiddy Wrote:
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> If, that's a major if, I were to ever carry a .22
> rimfire for personal protection it would be a
> PMR-30. Since I'm not a brainwashed parrot, I have
> no problem carrying something that would actually
> work as advertised, and since I have zero interest
> in a 9mm, it would be something that will make
> bigger holes.

This written from someone that either A) seems to know little about ballistics, B) is a brainwashed parrot, or C) a weak ass troll.


With new technology even the humble .380 is a contender for PPE. Personally speaking a 9mm is more than enough to get the job done. Most Police forces use the 9mm and for good reason.

If you want to step up your game a nice .40 will do. Much more than a .40 cal and it could be an issue in court if you own smaller calibers.

For the sake of your argument why not just jump over the 45acp and roll with 10mm or maybe go retro like the .44 automag?

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: USBWL ()
Date: September 07, 2019 02:38PM

Deep in the Arctic permafrost is buried a long forgotten corpse. The frigid temperature has kept a secret for over a century. This microbe, sparsely 1/10 of a micrometer wide, is capable of gutting entire continents whilst leaving valuable resources and infrastructure intact
We all know the name of this microbe, it used to strike fear into the hearts of Kings. But the modern genetic modifications make this tiny monster 10x more virulent than it's natural ancestors. Nukes have a definitive blast radius and fallout pattern. But this lil guy Dont give half a fuck. Any state that dares unleash him better have plenty of vaccine serum stockpiled cause he will cross oceans on the backs of the albatross and climb mountains in the gut of the wild boar. Y'all ain't never seen influenza like this before! Spanish flu pales, swine flu pales, smallpox, Marburg and Ebola pale in the face of.... Mad goat anus flu! MGAF is the greatest threat mankind has ever faced! Your little Jennings won't save you now!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: 22lr 380 and FMJ ()
Date: September 07, 2019 03:34PM

Not any new expanding ammo with a 22 lr or .380 . Not enough barrel length or velocity with most 4 inch or shorter barrel carry guns,
. A 380 is like a 22 lr a last ditch hideout or "have a gun" which beats a knife or being beaten to death with a blunt club in face to face combat with a armed thug.

With either you better be able to get up close and get the barrel up against the attackers skull hence the reason for FMJ in either caliber. If the attacker is armed with a firearm you may get a solid headshot in at 6 feet or somewhat more .

Chances that a 380 or 22lr will stop an assailant with a knife from stabbing you with a central mass shot or shots with either if he's 21 feet away and charges are slim no matter what ammo you carry. Even a 38 plus P HP or a 9 mm may not. Unless a head shot is taken that's effective. With the 40SW and 45 acp that stop is more dependable with the modern police type ammo and that's what you should carry in 38 9 mm 40 SW or 45 's

I read in Rifles Handloading magazine I think it was the issue last year with loads for the 10 most popular reloaded handgun cartridges that a game warden in a western state was mauled by a large brown bear in a sudden attack, he was armed with a .357 with 125 gr hollow point magnum ammo, he was able to get his revolver out and fire two rounds at point blank range into the bears skull, both did not penetrate due to the muzzle angle of the shots due to his grappling with the animal to keep him off his throat the third did enough that the bear quit the fight. If he had cast 158 solid semi wadcutters in the gun they most likely may have effectived a one shot stop

All very nasty business and I hope none of you are ever in such a situation with a man or a beast . The reason the game warden was looking for that bear was their had been a bear attack in the area. The best advice with wildlife is shoot them with your camera from a safe distance and leave them be , keep your distance. It's unbelivable how people in nature like on Skyline Dr. Get super fing excited and want to get up way too close to black bears with cubs for a cute picture

DAJAX who would rather be reading about where some good eat joints are in NOVA then all this but it's the cold reality that the world out there can be mean

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: talking out your ass ()
Date: September 07, 2019 04:46PM

22lr 380 and FMJ Wrote:
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> Not any new expanding ammo with a 22 lr or .380 .
> Not enough barrel length or velocity with most 4
> inch or shorter barrel carry guns,
> . A 380 is like a 22 lr a last ditch hideout or
> "have a gun" which beats a knife or being beaten
> to death with a blunt club in face to face combat
> with a armed thug.
>
> With either you better be able to get up close and
> get the barrel up against the attackers skull
> hence the reason for FMJ in either caliber. If the
> attacker is armed with a firearm you may get a
> solid headshot in at 6 feet or somewhat more .
>
> Chances that a 380 or 22lr will stop an assailant
> with a knife from stabbing you with a central mass
> shot or shots with either if he's 21 feet away and
> charges are slim no matter what ammo you carry.
> Even a 38 plus P HP or a 9 mm may not. Unless a
> head shot is taken that's effective. With the 40SW
> and 45 acp that stop is more dependable with the
> modern police type ammo and that's what you should
> carry in 38 9 mm 40 SW or 45 's
>
> I read in Rifles Handloading magazine I think it
> was the issue last year with loads for the 10 most
> popular reloaded handgun cartridges that a game
> warden in a western state was mauled by a large
> brown bear in a sudden attack, he was armed with a
> .357 with 125 gr hollow point magnum ammo, he was
> able to get his revolver out and fire two rounds
> at point blank range into the bears skull, both
> did not penetrate due to the muzzle angle of the
> shots due to his grappling with the animal to keep
> him off his throat the third did enough that the
> bear quit the fight. If he had cast 158 solid semi
> wadcutters in the gun they most likely may have
> effectived a one shot stop
>
> All very nasty business and I hope none of you are
> ever in such a situation with a man or a beast .
> The reason the game warden was looking for that
> bear was their had been a bear attack in the area.
> The best advice with wildlife is shoot them with
> your camera from a safe distance and leave them be
> , keep your distance. It's unbelivable how people
> in nature like on Skyline Dr. Get super fing
> excited and want to get up way too close to black
> bears with cubs for a cute picture
>
> DAJAX who would rather be reading about where some
> good eat joints are in NOVA then all this but it's
> the cold reality that the world out there can be
> mean


you wanna swap bear anectdotes? try Bella Twin, slayer of the standing world record grizzly, armed with naught but a single shot bolt .22 LONG - not even LR. .22 will punch a human skull at 100 yards easy. FMJ solids are better IMO but according to the study posted above the best .22lr round statistically is a stinger HP. If any thug thinks they are .22-proof at even 50yds I will happily supply their last laugh
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Bella Twin Yukon Ho ()
Date: September 07, 2019 04:51PM

first shot dropped a grizzly. .22 LONG. I know how it goes. the gang bangers pass the blunt around and tell war stories about the homeboy who took 6 .25acp to the dome and still strangled that rival to death.. but these are just war stories, nothing more. the fact is, up to 70% of GSWs are nonfatal and that includes plenty of folks who took multiple .45s center mass
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Did the cops find the .22 ()
Date: September 07, 2019 05:23PM

Biji joonam threw out the window?

https://youtu.be/id5ynpjxkqM
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Wutdafuqhoodafuq ()
Date: September 07, 2019 05:32PM

Did the cops find the .22 Wrote:
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> Biji joonam threw out the window?
>
> https://youtu.be/id5ynpjxkqM

Even Google doesn't know who that is

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Biji joonam ()
Date: September 07, 2019 05:41PM


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Re: .22lr for self defense
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Date: September 07, 2019 08:14PM


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Re: .22lr for self defense
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Date: September 07, 2019 08:30PM


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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Bella Was A Real American Woman ()
Date: September 07, 2019 11:32PM

Looks like a pre Armalite .22 break down survival rifle the Air Force carried on bombers they say a single shot Savage 22 bolt action , she was an Native American Indian , one strong brave woman for sure and no doubt an excellent hunter, the story is true

https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/what-22-rifle-did-bella-twin-use-to-kill-a-world-record-grizzly-in-1953/#axzz5yts5hxVW


DAJAX Thanks for sharing her story pal

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: When You See A Hunter ()
Date: September 07, 2019 11:49PM

With a single shot, you see a hunter who is skilled and can make one shot kills

I always preferred my old 12 gauge 28 " barrel full choke single shot H&R shotgun deer hunting with slugs and turkey with # 4's . Light easy to carry and more then enough to bring venison meat and gobblers home. I still have it but have not hunted in many years, I still have my old licenses so Im grandfathered as far as hunter safety classes to get another

The 2nd has nothing to do with hunting it has everything to do with defense of your nation your state your county your city or town your family yourself.

DAJAX

They said Bellas rifle was a Stevens my mistake they merged later with Savage

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: much obliged ()
Date: September 08, 2019 12:07AM

Bella Was A Real American Woman Wrote:
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> Looks like a pre Armalite .22 break down survival
> rifle the Air Force carried on bombers they say a
> single shot Savage 22 bolt action , she was an
> Native American Indian , one strong brave woman
> for sure and no doubt an excellent hunter, the
> story is true
>
> https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/what-22-rifle-did
> -bella-twin-use-to-kill-a-world-record-grizzly-in-
> 1953/#axzz5yts5hxVW
>
>
> DAJAX Thanks for sharing her story pal


youre welcome friend! I spent a couple winters in yukon territory back in the 70's. Fairfax county kids these days would die in minute. that dumbass from "into the wild" what was his name? ran out of meat and ate the wrong berries or froze or whatever. I ate nothing but elk steak from september to april, gained a few lbs too. all it took was a two boxes of .30-30, boom! enough elk for the whole winter. that into the wild dude mustve been some vegan hippy or a really poor shot is all I can say

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: He Was A Lib Scared Of Guns ()
Date: September 08, 2019 12:30AM

He went to WT Woodson

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: thx you ()
Date: September 08, 2019 12:41AM

He Was A Lib Scared Of Guns Wrote:
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> He went to WT Woodson


yes I know that was my point. humans in general are much softer than they ever have been. Im no doomsday prepper but I will laugh my heinie off when the trucks and trains and ships and planes and cars stop bringing food for whatever reason. I'll just mosey on out away from the teeming masses and live of the fat and gristle for sure!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: scratch that ()
Date: September 08, 2019 12:52AM

thx you Wrote:
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> He Was A Lib Scared Of Guns Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He went to WT Woodson
>
>
> yes I know that was my point. humans in general
> are much softer than they ever have been. Im no
> doomsday prepper but I will laugh my heinie off
> when the trucks and trains and ships and planes
> and cars stop bringing food for whatever reason.
> I'll just mosey on out away from the teeming
> masses and live of the fat and gristle for sure!

I think what humanity needs most is an annual one month long global internet shutdown. Like a healthy purge. go outside and meet your neighbors for once instead of hiding from the sunlight glued to a screen. I think this technology is going to be the end of humanity I really do. The progression from telegraph to iPhone was very rapid in the context of human history. only a century ago horses still ploughed the fields and pulled the milk wagons. Now the automobile kills 1.25 million and maims another 50 million every year globally according to WHO. Im with the amish this world has gone insane

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: It Will Destroy Itself In Time ()
Date: September 08, 2019 01:28AM

It does not even need a chance to do it its coming sooner or later this nation is weaker then it ever was with so much liberal PC weakness and whining about everything so lame and weak

Guess who are going to hurt most the weak liberal Democrats who brought it all on, the great majority of them think meat comes from a supermarket from there where is a mystery it just comes wrapped in plastic on a Styrofoam planet polluting tray

How can any strong person even think of voting for a weak crybaby Democrat fake

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: ludicrous statements ()
Date: September 08, 2019 09:08AM

You sound a little brainwashed. Wrote:
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> If you want to step up your game a nice .40 will
> do. Much more than a .40 cal and it could be an
> issue in court if you own smaller calibers



of all the factors for self defense considered in court, caliber is not one of them. if you dont know what you are talking about stfu please. factors that do matter include distance from the assailant, number of rounds fired and any obscenities that people carve into their weapons for whatever deranged reason. shoot a man from too far away and you better have a good reason. shooting a downed man is a no-no no matter what he did before. most of these laws are pretty easy to grasp. I just cant imagine what kind of encephalitis would cause someone to believe that caliber matters in court of all things

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Hollow Point And Reloaded Ammo ()
Date: September 08, 2019 12:17PM

Was considered taboo as prosecutors could try to paint a person who used deadly self defense as a vigilante

Today that's why you should use what police use the hi speed hollow points then your lawyer can simply state that's what police use to defend themselves and the public plus they have a lesser ricochet factor as the bullets disintegrate more if they hit solid objects to minimize dangers to bystanders

Since the early 1900's to the late 1970's the standard police load across the USA was the .38 Special 158 grain lead round nose solid bullet with an average muzzle velocity of 825 feet per second from a 4 inch barrel revolver hitting with 238 foot pounds of muzzle energy at the muzzle . Police were getting killed by killers that they had shot and could not stop from shooting them dead, the liberal Democrats with their hysterical media refused police use of the semi wadcutter hollow points with the same velocity, but after "assault weapons" became the libs target they relented as well as allowing police to use anything just about they wanted. Todays 40 S&W police loads are around 1100 ft per second muzzle velocity and with a 165 grain hollow point hit with 443 ft pounds of muzzle energy

Today 2020 Democrats scream for unconstitutional firearm bans of legally purchased firearms under 2nd amendment protection while allowing police the firearms they say should only be used on a battlefield breaking the balance of powers of the government which is the bedrock basic principal of our entire US government, creating a police state as citizens may not possess the same

Even worse they will grandfather retired police with no legal authority the right to keep their AR-15s and AK-47s they personally own ! That's in their current law proposed

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1296/text?r=21&s=1

“(4) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon—

All the while Democrats give you combat and other highly trained vets the flying middle finger salute for your service

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: 23r4gtgr ()
Date: September 08, 2019 04:38PM

Move out of DC.

there: your save now and are allowed to buy a weapon but don't need one

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: charles severance ()
Date: September 10, 2019 09:53AM

I had the occasion to attend the severance trial back in 2015. Charlie used a tiny NAA .22 mini revolver. none of the three victims were able to escape fight back or even call 911. 3 up 3 down. boom boom boom. trivializing and underestimating this lil round is a grave mistake.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: fixerer of it for yous ()
Date: September 10, 2019 10:09AM

charles severance Wrote:
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> I had the occasion to attend the severance trial
> back in 2015. Charlie used a tiny NAA .22 mini
> revolver. none of the three victims were able to
> escape fight back or even call 911. 3 up 3 down.
> boom boom boom. trivializing and underestimating
> this lil round is a grave mistake.


you obviously missed the key testimony of Janet Franko. When Lodato was killed, Franko ran to the door and was shot once in the arm by Severance, the mistake that ultimately ended his reign of terror. Now this doesn't mean that it was the .22's fault she survived, a .45 to the arm is just as unlikely to be fatal. the NAA is just very inaccurate due to the short barrel and Severance panicked because he wasnt expecting anyone else to be home.

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4393691/charles-stanard-severance-v-commonwealth-of-virginia/
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: severance package ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:23AM

severance didnt use the .22 for self defense, he shot first point blank like a coward. and look how many rounds it took. he emptied the thing. if you are going to carry a .22 you need at least a 3" barrel. those mini revolvers suck ass and unless you are literally point blank you will miss

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Posted by: speaking of mini revolvers ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:30AM

NAA makes a cap and ball version of their .22 mini revolver that can be purchased online by mail no background check required. for those who are so inclined, there
is a handy dandy conversion cylinder which may also be purchased online by mail no BGC. of course the standard .22lr model is cheaper but if you are prohibited or dont want a 4473 on file or are just too lazy to get off your computer to go to the gun shop this is an excellent option
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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: thewhiteunicorn ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:35AM

22LR will go down in history as the most successful assassin caliber. It's not meant for self defense. Stick to 9mm for control and 40-45 if you have a small dick and like a gun to sound louder.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: thewhiteunicorn ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:45AM

22 suck on Niggers Wrote:
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> Look at this Nog. 22 still breathing.

That happened in 2016 and the rubber bullet used by police was a 9mm.

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Self defense v combat ()
Date: September 10, 2019 12:15PM

thewhiteunicorn Wrote:
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> 22LR will go down in history as the most
> successful assassin caliber. It's not meant for
> self defense. Stick to 9mm for control and 40-45
> if you have a small dick and like a gun to sound
> louder.


The .22 IS "meant" for self defense. In 1857 S&W designed the first commercially successful self contained metallic cartridge, the.22 short, for the model 1 pocket revolver, marketed as a gentleman's self defense weapon for close range. When the civil war broke out, larger calibers were designed for longer ranges, the Spencer, the Henry and various upgraded revolvers were used by cavalry. But even to this day, shooting someone in self defense past 20 yds is extremely rare and it does not look good in Court. Therefore .22 is fine for SELF DEFENSE, if you want a combat pistol that's another matter.

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Posted by: 22 suck on Niggers ()
Date: September 10, 2019 02:26PM

thewhiteunicorn Wrote: https://youtu.be/XqZsoesa55w
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> 22 suck on Niggers Wrote:
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> > Look at this Nog. 22 still breathing.
>
> That happened in 2016 and the rubber bullet used
> by police was a 9mm

Fo real, Buster!

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: so what youre saying is ()
Date: September 17, 2019 12:05AM

fofiddy Wrote:
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> If, that's a major if, I were to ever carry a .22
> rimfire for personal protection it would be a
> PMR-30. Since I'm not a brainwashed parrot, I have
> no problem carrying something that would actually
> work as advertised, and since I have zero interest
> in a 9mm, it would be something that will make
> bigger holes.


so what youre saying is you have a micro peener. got it

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: idiotsszzzzz ()
Date: September 18, 2019 12:53AM

Self defense v combat Wrote:
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> thewhiteunicorn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 22LR will go down in history as the most
> > successful assassin caliber. It's not meant for
> > self defense. Stick to 9mm for control and
> 40-45
> > if you have a small dick and like a gun to
> sound
> > louder.
>
>
> The .22 IS "meant" for self defense. In 1857 S&W
> designed the first commercially successful self
> contained metallic cartridge, the.22 short, for
> the model 1 pocket revolver, marketed as a
> gentleman's self defense weapon for close range.
> When the civil war broke out, larger calibers were
> designed for longer ranges, the Spencer, the Henry
> and various upgraded revolvers were used by
> cavalry. But even to this day, shooting someone in
> self defense past 20 yds is extremely rare and it
> does not look good in Court. Therefore .22 is fine
> for SELF DEFENSE, if you want a combat pistol
> that's another matter.

You are such a fucking idiot. The musket was designed for combat and self defense. Would you like to use a musket for self defense? Hell when Indians roamed North America they used bow and arrows. How about you hang a bow and arrow above your bed and use that for self defense. Why would you want to use antiquated instruments when there are much better options today thanks to technology aka 9mm and 12 gauge buckshot. 22. LR is not "fine" for self defense. What if the robber or mass shooter is wearing body armor as has been documented? People on here are such fucking idiots and have zero knowledge about guns or ammunition. Just like our ccongress

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Posted by: speaking of idiots ()
Date: September 18, 2019 02:04AM

idiotsszzzzz Wrote:
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> Self defense v combat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thewhiteunicorn Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > 22LR will go down in history as the most
> > > successful assassin caliber. It's not meant
> for
> > > self defense. Stick to 9mm for control and
> > 40-45
> > > if you have a small dick and like a gun to
> > sound
> > > louder.
> >
> >
> > The .22 IS "meant" for self defense. In 1857
> S&W
> > designed the first commercially successful self
> > contained metallic cartridge, the.22 short, for
> > the model 1 pocket revolver, marketed as a
> > gentleman's self defense weapon for close
> range.
> > When the civil war broke out, larger calibers
> were
> > designed for longer ranges, the Spencer, the
> Henry
> > and various upgraded revolvers were used by
> > cavalry. But even to this day, shooting someone
> in
> > self defense past 20 yds is extremely rare and
> it
> > does not look good in Court. Therefore .22 is
> fine
> > for SELF DEFENSE, if you want a combat pistol
> > that's another matter.
>
> You are such a fucking idiot. The musket was
> designed for combat and self defense. Would you
> like to use a musket for self defense? Hell when
> Indians roamed North America they used bow and
> arrows. How about you hang a bow and arrow above
> your bed and use that for self defense. Why would
> you want to use antiquated instruments when there
> are much better options today thanks to technology
> aka 9mm and 12 gauge buckshot. 22. LR is not
> "fine" for self defense. What if the robber or
> mass shooter is wearing body armor as has been
> documented? People on here are such fucking
> idiots and have zero knowledge about guns or
> ammunition. Just like our ccongress

your body armor quip is hilarious my dude. 9mm wont penetrate modern vests and a shotgun with buck will need to be closer than youre gonna get to an active shooter. you may as well stick with the .22 so you can poke out both eyes double tap instead of grazing him in panic mode with the too-lightweight polymer 9mm or .40 kicking like one of goatfuckerer2's unfortunate victims. fortunately for me I know that the supply of whackjob mass shooters is massively hyped by the media so I dont walk around clutching my pearls. As for robbery, Im not a bank manager in north hollywood or a drug dealer so Im not really expecting any such determined force. in reality people with body armor and rifle are pretty tough to stop by any means which is perfect for the cowards. Its sad because any dick can kick and spray. the old method of whacking a single, deserving, influential person or politician off at 750 yards to promote a cause seems downright civil these days. in any event if there's a mass shooting Im running CCW or not. Ill let the cops with their fancy dancy body armor deal with that bull

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Re: .22lr for self defense
Posted by: Just Axing ()
Date: September 19, 2019 09:44PM

Actually, this is the last thing you want. Before that scumbag realizes why his new roommate thinks he looks better with no teeth, he gets to tell the story of how he accidentally knocked on your door while collecting for UNICEF and you invited him in then shot him for no reason. If shit for brains is dead, there will only be one story of what happened - yours.

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Posted by: absolutely false ()
Date: September 19, 2019 10:07PM

Just Axing Wrote:
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> Actually, this is the last thing you want. Before
> that scumbag realizes why his new roommate thinks
> he looks better with no teeth, he gets to tell the
> story of how he accidentally knocked on your door
> while collecting for UNICEF and you invited him in
> then shot him for no reason. If shit for brains is
> dead, there will only be one story of what
> happened - yours.


just as nonfatal shootings by criminals are more common than homicides, justifed shootings are more commonly nonfatal. the news media doesnt like to cover self defense much but far too many home invaders and rapists survive imo. these woundings can be attributed to poor shooting on the part of the defender rather than the caliber of the weapon

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