talking out your ass Wrote:
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> 22lr 380 and FMJ Wrote:
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> > Not any new expanding ammo with a 22 lr or .380
> .
> > Not enough barrel length or velocity with most
> 4
> > inch or shorter barrel carry guns,
> > . A 380 is like a 22 lr a last ditch hideout or
> > "have a gun" which beats a knife or being
> beaten
> > to death with a blunt club in face to face
> combat
> > with a armed thug.
> >
> > With either you better be able to get up close
> and
> > get the barrel up against the attackers skull
> > hence the reason for FMJ in either caliber. If
> the
> > attacker is armed with a firearm you may get a
> > solid headshot in at 6 feet or somewhat more .
> >
> > Chances that a 380 or 22lr will stop an
> assailant
> > with a knife from stabbing you with a central
> mass
> > shot or shots with either if he's 21 feet away
> and
> > charges are slim no matter what ammo you carry.
> > Even a 38 plus P HP or a 9 mm may not. Unless
> a
> > head shot is taken that's effective. With the
> 40SW
> > and 45 acp that stop is more dependable with
> the
> > modern police type ammo and that's what you
> should
> > carry in 38 9 mm 40 SW or 45 's
> >
> > I read in Rifles Handloading magazine I think
> it
> > was the issue last year with loads for the 10
> most
> > popular reloaded handgun cartridges that a game
> > warden in a western state was mauled by a large
> > brown bear in a sudden attack, he was armed with
> a
> > .357 with 125 gr hollow point magnum ammo, he
> was
> > able to get his revolver out and fire two
> rounds
> > at point blank range into the bears skull, both
> > did not penetrate due to the muzzle angle of
> the
> > shots due to his grappling with the animal to
> keep
> > him off his throat the third did enough that
> the
> > bear quit the fight. If he had cast 158 solid
> semi
> > wadcutters in the gun they most likely may
> have
> > effectived a one shot stop
> >
> > All very nasty business and I hope none of you
> are
> > ever in such a situation with a man or a beast
> .
> > The reason the game warden was looking for that
> > bear was their had been a bear attack in the
> area.
> > The best advice with wildlife is shoot them
> with
> > your camera from a safe distance and leave them
> be
> > , keep your distance. It's unbelivable how
> people
> > in nature like on Skyline Dr. Get super fing
> > excited and want to get up way too close to
> black
> > bears with cubs for a cute picture
> >
> > DAJAX who would rather be reading about where
> some
> > good eat joints are in NOVA then all this but
> it's
> > the cold reality that the world out there can
> be
> > mean
>
>
> you wanna swap bear anectdotes? try Bella Twin,
> slayer of the standing world record grizzly, armed
> with naught but a single shot bolt .22 LONG - not
> even LR. .22 will punch a human skull at 100 yards
> easy. FMJ solids are better IMO but according to
> the study posted above the best .22lr round
> statistically is a stinger HP. If any thug thinks
> they are .22-proof at even 50yds I will happily
> supply their last laugh
We get it. LONG not long rifle...
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