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good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: frickin_freezing ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:45AM

Im not sure but I think I might be getting screwed by my HVAC contractor. I wont mention the company by name but they have worked on my heat pump twice this winter, charged me 1,255 in repairs and now tell me that I need a whole new system for $8800 - but hey I get a $1500 tax credit!
I think I need a second opinion. Anyone know of a good, honest, licensed, insured, professional company I could call?

Anyone know of companies to avoid at all costs?

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: a little warmer ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:51AM

i've had pretty good luck with pope's air http://popesair.com/ although they've had a management change since i bought hvac units from them.

i've had bad experiences with dave's ac. story pretty similar to yours, actually. i think a lot of it depends on the particular technician you happen to get on a given day.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Les ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:33AM

residential systems in chantilly

http://rsi-hvac.com/

we've been using them for 15 years on an annual maintenance contract (139/yr). the only thing we've paid for is a new condensor coil (very obvious when it goes). we selected them since american home warranty used them as the hvac contractor.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Fellow ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:38AM

Robert's Heating and Air Conditioning
Family owned for many years.
703.876.0637

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Centrevillian ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:40AM

We've used Air Stream several times and they are wonderful--very honest. 703-753-3437

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: robert on scanner ()
Date: February 14, 2010 12:01PM

I use an individual named jonny rosales. I got screw so many times. Specially when is the coldest or hottest they start chareging more. Most individuals work on comision. So the minute they walk in the doore the check your cars, vehicles, stuff to see how much they can screww you for. They split the extra with the company owner. I would make sure they trully have. A justifiab le. Per hr charge. Some guys would be. 150 and. It gives them 2 hrs of work worth. I've seen a guy from alaska ac service, would go to ahouse and change aa little selenoide and walk out of a house with 1200 . Took him 10 minutes and 15.00 part.
When I asked him whay so much money?
He told me that it would take somebody else all day to find the problem. Not to sure about that?
You may be able to google jonny. He does reall state and lives in manassas. Hell charge you for his day, let's say 180.00 total then he will gop get @the part and charge you for the specific part use.
Nice guy.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: robert on scanner ()
Date: February 14, 2010 12:05PM

Forgot this other guy. Forgot his first name. I found him in service magic 20 yeras ago. I was with service. Nagicx as well. Company name is Mecatron. Is only 2 or 3 guys. So his over head is lopw. Hell do the same hell charge for his say day. Not a ripp of deal.
I've seen his van off 29 and stone whatever road. Close to 29 and 28
He may live there. He did my dads house in the middle of the winter. My dad must have gotten 10 estimates. He is 70 y old. My dad was very I'm,presed.
He is ok.
Good luck. Stay away from that 8.000 dude

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Use This Company! ()
Date: February 14, 2010 12:16PM

Shaw Services (571-261-3800) - located in Gainesville, but they work all over. Small company, family owned/operated and just good people all around. They won't screw you over and try to make you pay for more than what you need.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Jeanna ()
Date: February 14, 2010 02:08PM

I second Pope's Heating and Air. I have used them for my troublesome boiler on multiple occasions. Terry is awesome, I always ask for him. 703.551.0507

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Tim45 ()
Date: February 14, 2010 03:45PM

$8,800 sounds expensive for a heat pump unless it is a Trane top of line and you are heating a large home. If your heat pump is like 15-20 years old it is useless to keep getting it repaired. Plus a new unit is more efficient and will save you bucks on the electric bill.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: February 14, 2010 04:01PM

I received multiple quotes for a new unit last summer and Argent was the lowest by a coupe thousand. I ended up with a Carrier that was efficient enough for the tax credit.

The unit that qualified for the credit was about three grand more than the least expensive model, but including the credit and a rebate I got a much more efficient unit for basically the same price.

I also did a gas conversion, which was free from Washington Gas. Gas heat is a lot more comfortable than heat pumps.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: heatpumpssuck ()
Date: February 14, 2010 05:38PM

Heat pumps dont work in cold weather. They are made for climates such as south carolina. Even the best heat pump only warms up the ambiant outside air by 20 degrees. Switch to a gas furnace if you have gas in your neighborhood

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: stuckwithelectric ()
Date: February 14, 2010 07:56PM

I had a new one installed a few months ago and the difference between the new technology and the old is a world of difference. My auxilliary heat used to come on all the time when the temps hit 33-35 degrees. The new one can run into the mid 20's before the aux. kicks on. I got a system that qualified for a tax credit that cost $200 less (after tax credit) than the standard 13 SEER system. I think you need a 15 SEER to qualify????

I used John Nugent and Sons, referred by a friend and also a great rating on Angies List. While they were not the cheapest, I felt confident in their ability and was not disappointed. Of course, I wish I had gas. Not just for heat but for a fireplace too.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: DAAK ()
Date: February 14, 2010 08:20PM

Stay away from Pride AC and Heating in Manassass at all costs. Total amateurs. Shoddy work, terrible service, and all they're interested in doing is selling you a new unit that you don't need. I'm amazed they're not out of business.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: heatpumpssuck2 ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:09PM

stuckwithelectric Wrote:
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> I had a new one installed a few months ago and the
> difference between the new technology and the old
> is a world of difference. My auxilliary heat used
> to come on all the time when the temps hit 33-35
> degrees. The new one can run into the mid 20's
> before the aux. kicks on. I got a system that
> qualified for a tax credit that cost $200 less
> (after tax credit) than the standard 13 SEER
> system. I think you need a 15 SEER to qualify????
>
> I used John Nugent and Sons, referred by a friend
> and also a great rating on Angies List. While they
> were not the cheapest, I felt confident in their
> ability and was not disappointed. Of course, I
> wish I had gas. Not just for heat but for a
> fireplace too.


Wow mid 20's, so, the average temp has been around 35, so your heat pump makes it 60 degrees wich would have the auxilary heat constantly on if your thermo is set to 72. You might as well run space heaters in your house and it would average out at the same price and your house would be warm. THE only reason why they installed heat pumps in this area is because it is cheaper for the builder becasue they dont have to run gas lines into the development they build. Heat pumps are not designed for this area period!

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: -SBS-_ ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:31PM

You don't know what you're talking about. Later model heat pumps are more than capable of heating the average home in this area, without resorting to "auxiliary heat" even when the outside temp. is down into the 20's. Considering the volatile price of oil or gas, they are as economical or more so, than gas until the temperature hits very low levels, which doesn't happen in this area that much.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: ac guy ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:51PM

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> You don't know what you're talking about. Later
> model heat pumps are more than capable of heating
> the average home in this area, without resorting
> to "auxiliary heat" even when the outside temp. is
> down into the 20's. Considering the volatile
> price of oil or gas, they are as economical or
> more so, than gas until the temperature hits very
> low levels, which doesn't happen in this area that
> much.


You have no idea what you are talking about. I have been in Heating/Ac for the last 24 years and there have not been any great advancement in heats pumps. You have no idea what you are talking about and have no buisness posting on something you clearly do not know anything about. You would have to use winkipedia to figure out what a heat pump is and more than likely still not understand how one works. I cant belive you said a heat pump is cheaper than gas or oil. that alone proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: -SBS-_ ()
Date: February 14, 2010 09:57PM

ac guy Wrote:
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>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. I
> have been in Heating/Ac for the last 24 years and
> there have not been any great advancement in heats
> pumps. You have no idea what you are talking about
> and have no buisness posting on something you
> clearly do not know anything about. You would have
> to use winkipedia to figure out what a heat pump
> is and more than likely still not understand how
> one works. I cant belive you said a heat pump is
> cheaper than gas or oil. that alone proves you
> have no idea what you are talking about.

Bullshit. I can't believe you said there have been no great advancements in heat pump technology in the last 24 years. That, sir, is COMPLETE ignorance.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Fig Newton ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:11PM

Heat pumps can not defy the laws of physics. You need significant energy in (e.g., natural gas) to get the kind of heat needed around here when the temps dip into the low 30s or 20s.

Care to reply, Einstein?

John Nugent and Sons is a very reputable HVAC firm, in response to the original post.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: shut it ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:18PM

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> ac guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > You have no idea what you are talking about. I
> > have been in Heating/Ac for the last 24 years
> and
> > there have not been any great advancement in
> heats
> > pumps. You have no idea what you are talking
> about
> > and have no buisness posting on something you
> > clearly do not know anything about. You would
> have
> > to use winkipedia to figure out what a heat
> pump
> > is and more than likely still not understand
> how
> > one works. I cant belive you said a heat pump
> is
> > cheaper than gas or oil. that alone proves you
> > have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> Bullshit. I can't believe you said there have
> been no great advancements in heat pump technology
> in the last 24 years. That, sir, is COMPLETE
> ignorance.


Stop posting, you still have no idea what you are talking about. I have a new 3,000 dollar heat pump and it is no better than the last one I had You are more than likely a computer nerd that cant even hang a picture on a wall.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Elle Diabla ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:19PM

Are you people fucking for real?

Arguing about gotdamned heat pumps and BTUs?

Holy fuck, log off life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2010 10:19PM by Elle Diabla.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: ac guy ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:23PM

I said I have been in the ac industry for the last 24 years dip shit. They may be more energy efficient but the fact remains it will not heat up the outside temp more than 20 degrees in your house. You dont know what your talking about yet again. Do yourself a favor and stop posting because now you sound like a fool.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Elle Diabla ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:26PM

Ac guy, you know nothing, with your 24 years experience.

I've been doing guys in the industry for 25.6 years now. You might as well quit posting right now.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: -SBS-_ ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:26PM

shut it Wrote:
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>
> Stop posting, you still have no idea what you are
> talking about. I have a new 3,000 dollar heat pump
> and it is no better than the last one I had You
> are more than likely a computer nerd that cant
> even hang a picture on a wall.

I'd love to show you my elctric bill history to compare before and after, but you simply aren't worth the trouble.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Big bite ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:29PM

Elle Diabla Wrote:
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> Ac guy, you know nothing, with your 24 years
> experience.
>
> I've been doing guys in the industry for 25.6
> years now. You might as well quit posting right
> now.


ha ha!!!!... Is there Ac/heaters guys in Mexico?

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: shut it ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:31PM

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> shut it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Stop posting, you still have no idea what you
> are
> > talking about. I have a new 3,000 dollar heat
> pump
> > and it is no better than the last one I had You
> > are more than likely a computer nerd that cant
> > even hang a picture on a wall.
>
> I'd love to show you my elctric bill history to
> compare before and after, but you simply aren't
> worth the trouble.


Then stop posting.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Elle Diabla ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:33PM

Big bite Wrote:
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> Elle Diabla Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ac guy, you know nothing, with your 24 years
> > experience.
> >
> > I've been doing guys in the industry for 25.6
> > years now. You might as well quit posting right
> > now.
>
>
> ha ha!!!!... Is there Ac/heaters guys in Mexico?

Not that I've seen. they usually cool off with a dirt dusting and a few hundred cervezas.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: -SBS-+ ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:34PM

ac guy Wrote:
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> I said I have been in the ac industry for the last
> 24 years dip shit. They may be more energy
> efficient but the fact remains it will not heat
> up the outside temp more than 20 degrees in your
> house. You dont know what your talking about yet
> again. Do yourself a favor and stop posting
> because now you sound like a fool.

Your dipshit words: "I have been in Heating/Ac for the last 24 years and
there have not been any great advancement in heats pumps."

Intelligent people would take that to mean you think there have been no great heat pump advancements in that time period.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: derick ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:38PM

SBS- Im not one to go back and forth on what is better or not but I do have to agree with what the last few people have said and heat pumps. They are not more efficiant than gas/oil. They were never designed for the mid atlantic climate. I have a oil heater in my house and I spend aboout 500 dollars a winter heating my house. I had a new heat pump 5 years ago in another house and my electric bill was running well over 350 dollars a month to heat the house. I have talked to a few friends of mine who regularly have a electric bill well over 550 a month running a heat pump.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: heat pump ()
Date: February 14, 2010 10:57PM

My house is all electric, and my average electric bill is about 200 dollars a month for a 2400 sq. ft house.

The AC guy's statement "... it will not heat up the outside temp more than 20 degrees ..." doesn't pass high school physics. Heat pump may not be efficient in low temp. but as long as it can extract heat it will get to the temperature you set.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: heat pump2 ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:02PM

heat pump Wrote:
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> My house is all electric, and my average electric
> bill is about 200 dollars a month for a 2400 sq.
> ft house.
>
> The AC guy's statement "... it will not heat up
> the outside temp more than 20 degrees ..." doesn't
> pass high school physics. Heat pump may not be
> efficient in low temp. but as long as it can
> extract heat it will get to the temperature you
> set.

SBS posting under a diffrent name

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Elle Diabla ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:05PM

This thread started out as precious and pure as Mayberry's Aunt Bea, then quickly declined to a 0/5 thread.

You should be ashamed of yourself, SBS & Ac Guy, for ruining the all American vibe we had here.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Aziz ()
Date: February 14, 2010 11:41PM

Service Doctors are really good, they've replaced a lot of our company's and other places hvac's and other things. They are reliable and get the job done.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: obiwanturd ()
Date: February 15, 2010 12:02AM

try penguin aire out of Chantilly. On of the owners came out after the snow storm and fixed my furnace, nice guy and a straight shooter. Here;s a way to save yourself some grief, get at least two other estimates. Start with a pool of 6 potential HVAC companies and then cross reference them with the following websites plus a google search. www.fairfaxcounty.gov check under consumer protection and look for the complaint look-up database. Then check them via bbb.org and finally the VA dept of professional occupational regulation, Gooogle "VA DPOR" and do a license check. IMO, 5 complaints is a sign of trouble, alos a good rule of thumb is any business that keeps changing its name is no good, especially anything with a name like AAA, ABC,Virginai or Commonwealth in the name.

PS, ARS heating can suck it as can Vernon's

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: frickin_freezing ()
Date: February 15, 2010 08:31AM

a little warmer Wrote:
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> i've had pretty good luck with pope's air
> http://popesair.com/ although they've had a
> management change since i bought hvac units from
> them.
>
> i've had bad experiences with dave's ac. story
> pretty similar to yours, actually. i think a lot
> of it depends on the particular technician you
> happen to get on a given day.


Thanks warmer, Popes got here at 7:30 this morning and replaced a bad PTC thermistor for me at a very reasonable price. I asked the guy about replacing the system and he said "Its working fine for now, based on its age you should get at least a few more years out of it" . What a difference from the screwjob company I had out here last week. Thanks again!
BTW I LOVE heat pumps and would never heat with anything else in N. Va.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: westmoreland drive ()
Date: April 29, 2013 11:48AM

frickin_freezing Wrote:
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> a little warmer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > i've had pretty good luck with pope's air
> > http://popesair.com/ although they've had a
> > management change since i bought hvac units
> from
> > them.
> >
> > i've had bad experiences with dave's ac. story
> > pretty similar to yours, actually. i think a
> lot
> > of it depends on the particular technician you
> > happen to get on a given day.
>
>
> Thanks warmer, Popes got here at 7:30 this morning
> and replaced a bad PTC thermistor for me at a very
> reasonable price. I asked the guy about replacing
> the system and he said "Its working fine for now,
> based on its age you should get at least a few
> more years out of it" . What a difference from the
> screwjob company I had out here last week. Thanks
> again!
> BTW I LOVE heat pumps and would never heat with
> anything else in N. Va.


We had our gas furnace ripped out and replaced with a heat pump about 5 years ago. We wish we had done it sooner. We use a water heater heat pump that works great as well and it keeps our basement dry in the summer. We still have a gas fireplace that comes in handy during a power outage.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: goodguys ()
Date: April 29, 2013 12:31PM

Woody's Sudden Service out of Manassas. Good company owner is an electrical engineer

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Curmudgeon ()
Date: April 29, 2013 03:51PM

check out IAQ medics. been real happy with them. ask for dario.

http://www.iaqmedics.com/

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Ye Ole Woodson Man ()
Date: April 29, 2013 10:26PM

Heat pumps are great if your in the country and no natural gas they beat baseboard heating , oil and propane, In Fairfax Co, I would not have a heat pump period if natural gas is around. They are much more expensive to replace then gas furneces or regular Ac units. When its cold I can come in with the furnece off house at 60 F , flip the switch and my 100BTU gas furnece takes off , the house is warm in 20 minutes, you dont get that performance from a heat pump and if anyone tells you other wise there kidding you. Gas fireplaces can keep your whole house warm if the furnece or electric goes in the winter, If you can go with gas consider it even if its more expensive say 1000 dollars. Heat pumps 8000 dollars yes that a decent price, my sisters house was 10000 for replacement. Gas furnece 100K BTU 3500-4000 in FXCO, AC 3 ton about the same but theres two different units if one goes you replace that only If your house is bigger then more $$ 100 K BTU is good to about 2400 sq ft. 3 ton AC the same. The better the unit the more efficent and the more money you will save with good insulation in the attic. Electric water heaters 50 gal use about 35-40 dollars a month electric gas use about 25-30. Gas stoves are better then electric also more controlable quick heat changes, Ever see a electric stove in a high quality resturaunt.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Bills ()
Date: April 30, 2013 08:30AM

Tom Muse service company is the best..... Trust me you will be happy ask for John to service your equipment.

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Re: good honest heating&A/C company in centreville area?
Posted by: Mechanical engineer ()
Date: April 30, 2013 08:56AM

Ye Ole Woodson Man Wrote:
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> Heat pumps are great if your in the country and no
> natural gas they beat baseboard heating , oil and
> propane, In Fairfax Co, I would not have a heat
> pump period if natural gas is around. They are
> much more expensive to replace then gas furneces
> or regular Ac units. When its cold I can come in
> with the furnece off house at 60 F , flip the
> switch and my 100BTU gas furnece takes off , the
> house is warm in 20 minutes, you dont get that
> performance from a heat pump and if anyone tells
> you other wise there kidding you. Gas fireplaces
> can keep your whole house warm if the furnece or
> electric goes in the winter, If you can go with
> gas consider it even if its more expensive say
> 1000 dollars. Heat pumps 8000 dollars yes that a
> decent price, my sisters house was 10000 for
> replacement. Gas furnece 100K BTU 3500-4000 in
> FXCO, AC 3 ton about the same but theres two
> different units if one goes you replace that only
> If your house is bigger then more $$ 100 K BTU is
> good to about 2400 sq ft. 3 ton AC the same. The
> better the unit the more efficent and the more
> money you will save with good insulation in the
> attic. Electric water heaters 50 gal use about
> 35-40 dollars a month electric gas use about
> 25-30. Gas stoves are better then electric also
> more controlable quick heat changes, Ever see a
> electric stove in a high quality resturaunt.


No offence woodson man but you are way off base. Burning gas at your home is a really bad idea. A gas stove is a un-vented fossil fuel burning appliance and it spews toxic fumes directly into your home. Gas stoves are no longer permitted in newly built multi-family homes but they really need to be banned completely.
A gas furnace cannot even come close to the efficiency of a heat pump. The highest efficiency gas furnaces on the market are rated at 95% or maybe 97%. If a heat pump is broken down and you are using emergency heat you are heating at 100% efficiency a working heat pump can tripple that figure under some conditions. Burning wood or fossil fuels at home is cave man stuff.

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