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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Jewel ()
Date: February 06, 2011 12:06AM

Hi guys,

Above the vents and a little to the left you can see a pile of building materials left when they halted construction. When I went to visit in the late 70s they were still sitting there. I remember some large marble columns as well though I do not see them in the picture. They would have been around where the words Site or existing are.

Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion had anything to do with the church withdrawing permission for it's construction? I could understand why they would be upset with someone building something glorifying a non-Christian faith. While the Bahá'í faith includes God, Jesus,and Abraham among its messengers, it also includes Muhammad and Buddha and is definitely not a Christian religion. I listed a link to a general article on Wikipedia about it. Below that is their official site.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith

http://www.bahai.org

Just some more stuff to ponder.

Jewel

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Anon ()
Date: February 06, 2011 12:22AM

Found this from "Genealogies in the Library of Congress: A Bibliography"

14241 REMEY. A series of twelve of the preliminary architectural designs for a mausoleum for the Remey Family. By Charles Mason Remey. (n.p., 1954?) 21 l. ports., facsim., plans. 28cm (His Remey family records) 58-3336. CS71.R386 1954.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:07AM

Washington DC FEB 6 |

Dear Jewel,

In answer to your question, "Do you think the fact that Admiral Remey was building a "temple" promoting another religion?"
A couple of facts for you. First though, the Admiral didn't build the Remeum. Charles Mason Remey was his son, and in fact, the oldest of six children, one of whom died at birth.

George Collier Remey, Rear Admiral, USN (Retired):

George Collier Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, the second son of William Butler and Eliza Smith (Howland) Remey. He was a descendant of Abram Remy, a Huguenot who came to Virginia in 1700, and of John Howland, a pilgrim who came in the Mayflower. He entered the United States Naval Academy on September 20, 1855, the youngest and also the smallest of his class, and was graduated fourth among the twenty members of the class of 1859.

Initially assigned to the sloop USS Hartford on the Asiatic Station, he returned to the United States with the outbreak of the Civil War and served in the gunboat Marblehead during the Peninsular Campaign, March–July 1862;

He was in the gunboat Marblehead, operating in Virginia waters during the Peninsular Campaign from March to July, 1862, and afterward on the Charleston blockade. In April 1863, he became executive of the Canandaigua; commanded for ten days the Marblehead during attacks on Fort Wagner; and had charge of a battery of heavy naval guns on Morris Island from August 23 to September 7.

On the night of September 7-8 he commanded the second division in an ill-fated boat attack on Fort Sumter. His boat, the only one of his divisions to make shore, was smashed by gun-fire on landing, and about an hour and a half later Remey and his party were compelled to surrender under the walls of the fort. Of the total force of about 450 only 104 got ashore, and all these were captured. With other officers taken in the attack he was imprisoned during the next thirteen months in the jail at Columbia, South Carolina, making one almost successful attempt at escape by a tunnel under the prison walls.

After his exchange he was executive in the De Soto, fitting out at Baltimore, till the close of the war. He was one of six officers assigned to the White House for two days after Lincoln's assassination, and acted as aide to Farragut at the President's funeral.

In 1866 he saw service off the west coast of South America and in 1870–71 participated in the Tehuantepec Survey Expedition. After commanding the screw sloop Enterprise and service in the Mediterranean, he was appointed captain, 1885, and four years later assumed command of the protected cruiser Charleston, flagship of the Pacific Squadron.
Commandant of the Portsmouth Navy Yard at the outbreak of the Spanish–American War, he was ordered to take charge of the Naval Base Key West, whence he directed the supply and repair of all naval forces in Cuban waters and organized supply lines to Army forces in Cuba.
He was made Rear Admiral in November 1898, and assumed command of the Asiatic station in April 1900, a highly important assignment in view of the Philippine warfare and the Boxer uprising in China. In his flagship Brooklyn he was off Taku from July to October 1900, during the march on Peking, and in 1901 he visited Australia at the opening of its first parliament. After a year as chairman of the Lighthouse Board, he retired Aug. 10, 1903, and lived subsequently in Washington, D. C., and Newport, Rhode Island.

Rear Admiral Remey died at Washington, D.C. on 10 February 1928.

Here's the death notice from The Washington Evening Star newspaper:

Admiral Remey was born in Burlington, Iowa, August 10, 1841, the second son of William Butler Remey and Eliza Smith Howland Remey. He entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis in 1855 and graduated as one of the five honor men of the class. He was married July 8, 1873 to Mary Josephine Mason, daughter of Chief Justice Charles Mason of Iowa.

Besides his widow, Admiral Remey is survived by three sons, Charles Mason Remey and William B. Remey, both of this city, and John Terry Remey of New York City, and two daughters, Miss Angelica G. Remey of this city and Mrs. John W. Wadleigh of Newport, Rhode Island.

Funeral services will be at St. Thomas Episcopal Church Tuesday. Burial will be in Arlington National Cemetery.

Now, moving on to the Baha'i question. In all fairness, that was a substantial although never publicly uttered issue that the vestry and parish members had with Mason Remey's plans to 'expand' the Remeum. On the face of it, they didn't dare make that an issue as it would have been perceived as religious discrimination and naturally that would have been made into a very public battle that ultimately would have embarrassed the church.

So, instead, they took issue with the size of the proposed expansion objecting that it would undermine the Pohick Church's historic status and nature. What I find highly ironic is the fact that in 2006 the church became part of a protected historic district alongside of the fact that it was added to the National Register of Historic Places by the U. S. Department of the Interior's National Park Service on October 16, 1969 nearly a year after winning the court battle with Remey.

Had the church allowed him to proceed, it would have profited immensely from donations as visitors would have naturally visited both the Remeum as well as the church.

More on Remey's role in the Baha'i faith and the global movement later Jewel.

Sincerely,



Brody Levesque

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carl ()
Date: February 06, 2011 02:08PM

Dear Cody,

I've been following this site for a month find it facinating as well as personaly rewarding as I visited the crypts in High School.

Question: Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?

Carl

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 06, 2011 10:19PM

WASHINGTON DC FEB 6 |

Re: "Did Remey have any death bed confessions, what were his views on death and the afterlife?"

Dear Carl,

I've had numerous conversations regarding Mason Remey's final years and there's been absolutely no 'confessions' on any particular subject.

To properly answer the second half of your question would require writing a detailed biography of Charles Mason Remey.

Tonight, and yes I am Canadian so since there wasn't a hockey match on due to your American peculiar tradition of men dressing up in plastic bits and foam pads and man-handling each other in rather combative fashion as a pigskin ball is moved from one end of a field of grass to another and in celebration of the best of the best of those who so practise this bloodsport- aka The Superbowl.....

Which I don't/didn't watch *snicker*

Instead I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Brent Mathieu from Boise, Idaho, who had a nearly 20 year long ongoing correspondence with Pepe Remey, Mason's adopted son. Dr. Mathieu filled in quite a few of the blanks and provided critical background on the various sects within the Baha'i faith along with verification of much of the material collected thus far on Mason Remey.

There is so much material and quite frankly a good deal of data that still needs due diligence before I can safely submit it here for your and the other reader's review.

Now, having said that, I can verify that the Baha'i faith was a critical and key component to Mason Remey's adult life and effected every aspect of his life.

Unfortunately Carl, there's not really a simple answer that I can render in this case as to be fair, this story is like a prism, which as you know, held up to a light source will give off a wide spectrum of light variations in a rainbow burst.

Or, more aptly put, Remey's story is like an onion Carl, you gotta keep peeling back the layers.

More later folks!

Sincerely,



Brody Levesque



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carl ()
Date: February 12, 2011 04:02PM

Thanks Brody,

The more complicated the more intriquing I think.I will follow this site faithfully.


Carl

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 15, 2011 09:31PM

Washington DC FEB 15 |

Dear Folks,

I decided that I needed to give you an update on the progress into researching the Remeum and its accompanying back-story regarding its architect & builder, Mason Remey.

Now, I'm going to state that the following is a journalistic "This is what we know" essay, from which I need to caution the reader that my staff & I are still in the process of establishing facts, in some cases credibility of the source(s), and overall authenticity of materials that were presented as factual.

As I'm sure that Carl, Jewel, Darkstar, Sculler, and the others have pretty much figured out, this story has multiple levels of intrigue, mystery, murder, sexual misconduct, outright fabrications, and deep historical ties to some of the most prominent citizens of not only the United States, but the high society of pre-war Europe and to a lesser degree after the war.

What is most fascinating to those of us that are chasing the story is the many related "6 degrees of separation" Mason Remey had as he clung to the dream of building this monument/tomb/cenotaph to celebrate & honour his family and himself.

Here's what we know:

1.) Based on conversations with a retired construction foreman who was employed by the Shirley Contracting Company based on Cinderbed road in Newington, we have been able to ascertain that the Remeum's main portion located underground was simply buried and graded over in 1983. Shirley Contracting apparently paid to have a demolitions expert examine the structure who reported back that had Shirley and the Pohick Church proceeded with a conventional demolition/leveling- filling in the resultant crater and depression would have been cost prohibitive as it would have required considerable cubic yards of backfill that would have had to have been trucked in.

Instead, according to our source, Shirley simply regraded the rubble from previous efforts in 1972, and 1976, and then added a few dump-truck loads amounting to several 100 cubic yards, creating the current topography that one finds today. He said that a surveyor was hired to specifically to execute the construction layout to set the proper cuts and regrading.

He was able to tell us that the surveyor was a local man named LeRoy deBruin, a resident of West Springfield who owned his own survey outfit. Unfortunately, Mr. deBruin passed away nearly 20 years ago and is buried at the National Cemetery at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Virginia. It would have been nice to interview him as he would have been able to describe from an expert's point of view what the site looked like and some of the details.

Shirley used the same type of equipment that is customarily used for their road construction and VDOT contracts and as a result, the job was accomplished over a 2 day period with only minor adjustments being needed later.

Now, he did indicate that Shirley sent their demo expert into the Remeum to examine it throughly. He said that the man later told him that he had to "wade" through empty beer cans, soda cans, broken bottles, concrete, bits of statuary, and what appeared to be broken friezes. He also remembered the demo guy saying that he was astonished at how large the structure was. Key point, this meant and the retired contracting foreman verified that the demolitions expert had to break through the cinderblocks & dirt plugs to examine the rest of the structure.
He said the man was from an outfit based in Baltimore, Maryland, but couldn't provide any other details.

Now, here's the letdown. Shirley was sold to Clark construction a while ago and sadly, outside of payroll, and some VDOT projects, there are no corporate records left to establish the veracity of the claims. Having said that, the details the source did provide were enough to establish credibility as he had no interest in the story outside of remembering that it was a quick project, and the fact that at the request of the church officials, the obelisk was to remain standing and not be destroyed.

When I asked him about the vent chimneys, he pointed out that the two vents were outside of the surveyed area to be regraded and judging from the heavy brush and undergrowth, they in fact may not have been all that visible.

I showed him aerials taken in 1958, 1972, and more recently in 2001, he graciously pointed out where the topography had changed due to the regrading of the site by Shirley along with the previous demolition efforts. All of the aerials taken in 2010 and 2009, the site is obscured by tree and brush cover so its nearly impossible to tell where the site was.

*****

2.) Now, I have been asked to identify the two central questions regarding Mason's Remeum and its ultimate fate.

Why did he build it in the 1st place?

Why did he simply walk away from it?

Here's what we know. ALL of this intriguing tale revolves around Mason's involvement in the Baha'i religion/faith. I can say with absolute authority that because of this factor in his life, it set the course for virtually everything else to follow.

Mason Remey was the family black sheep because of his adherence/adoption of the Bah'i faith. I think that based on that alone was the motivation for him to build this place to show his commitment to his family.

Coupled with that was the fact, verified, Mason Remey had a monstrous ego. He absolutely lived his life as a damn near "epic" figure, or as one might snark snidely, "a legend in his own mind." It was this sense of "self-importance" that drove him to create this monument.

The second half was why then, would he walk away from it? The truth lies in the conflict within the Baha'i faith that happened after the 1957 death of its spiritual leader who had at one point a six years earlier appointed Remey to a position that would have likely led to Remey's accession to leading the faith as he was very much a critical and key player in the religion.

Through a series of ugly political maneuvering and internecine struggles, Remey lost the opportunity to lead the faith and in fact became a shunned and disparaged outcast of the Baha'i faith.

By the time he died in 1974, he had become a tragic figure, outcast by the very faith that he had helped nurture and build on a global basis, his reputation that of a blasphemer.

Concurrently with the struggles that began in 1957, Remey also was entangled in a fight that would take nearly 11 years to resolve with the Pohick Church over his proposed expansion. Then there was the increasing incidents of vandalism partly encouraged by the mere fact that the church wanted nothing to do with Remey's grandiose memorial especially with the Baha'i elements.

Finally, in 1957, Mason Remey was 82 years old.

So, there's an update, obviously folks there is so much more to the story, and I'll keep updating as we go along.

Please feel free to keep those e-mails flowing, and I promise I shall try to publish more frequently as my regular workload permits.

Sincerely,



Brody Levesque
theroadtraveler@gmail.com

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: The Sculler ()
Date: February 16, 2011 07:57AM

Thanks again for all the research you've put into this.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Huntington ()
Date: February 16, 2011 01:52PM

Thank you for all of the time and research.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carl ()
Date: February 16, 2011 03:33PM

Thanks again Cody,


Carl

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 16, 2011 10:02PM

Dear Folks,

Given the *ahem* nature of some of your collective nocturnal visits to the Remeum, I thought you'd all get a kick out of the following piece from my colleagues at Reason TV.

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque




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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brent P ()
Date: February 17, 2011 03:51AM

That's really interesting. And I don't even drink (I did my share as a young man).

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brain ()
Date: February 19, 2011 07:15AM

I guess the main question I have is, were only the exposed structures (like the outer wall) demolished and leveled, leaving the underground portions primarily intact after demolition? And the vents, do they indicate an intact underground structure beneath them? So many things have been suggested on the maps I find it a little confusing. Where are the potentially intact underground portions located on the last good ariel view?

Fun thought, maybe someday the Orthodox Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it. The thought of that mammoth empty sarcophagus remaining underground is intriguing. Thats another question, how much of the complex was removed? Are the stone lions still buried out there somewhere, or did they wind up being taken away to decorate someones estate.

Thanks

John B.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 19, 2011 11:00AM

Bethesda, Maryland FEB 19 |

Dear John B.,

The actual demolition of the Remeum actually took place over a ten year period culminating in the burial/regrading of the site in 1983 by Shirley Contracting Corporation of Newington, Virginia.

The underground portion is completely intact. As I stated in my previous post(s), the source told me that the cost to execute as traditional demolition exceeded the funds made available by the Truro Parish's Pohick Church. The other aspect was that Mason Remey had designed the underground portion to not only carry the weight of the earth over it, but additionally the weight of the proposed aboveground expansion, acting as the foundational supports of that structure.

I have contacted a professional Chicago, Illinois, demolition firm that specialises in demolitions of conventional office buildings and commercial structures. I sent them the specs along with pictures of the interior that were available from the readership here on the forum along with a request to do a "feasibility & cost approach" on demolition of the Remeum v. burial regrade of the site. When I get that information back I shall share it with the readers here.

In regard to the Baha'i faith. The short answer is that there would be absolutely zero interest in an archaeological examination of the site as;

a.) There are no significant items of interest to the Baha'i in the ruins.

b.) Mason Remey was for all intents & purposes to use a Roman Catholic term, excommunicated from the faith.

Now, in purely historic reference and frame, the ruins are significant only in terms of the history of Mason Remey, but it is highly doubtful there are artifacts remaining entombed within the structure of value, however, that is not to say of interest from a historical perspective.

Finally, the Truro Parish has made it absolutely clear that under no circumstances do they, (Rector & Vestry) have any desire to reopen or revisit the Remeum. There is no possible way at this time that I could see the Church officials acceding to a request to explore the ruins. Of course, you never know, stranger things have happened.

I'll have more results from the ongoing research later this weekend.

Be Well

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carl ()
Date: February 19, 2011 05:42PM

I think it would be well worththe effort to resurrect the rememeum. Not just for the historical point but the aesthetic perspective. The place was beautiful especially the outside that could have passed for a mini version of the courts of the palaces of old byzantium.It had class.
After the leveling me and a bunch of my friends found a way inside that was in 1983.
The time I set foot there was in 1988 and the side entrances we used were all filled in only the oblisk remained.

Carl

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Jewel ()
Date: February 21, 2011 09:48PM

In answer to Brian, the last time I was there it looked like the outer walls may have been plowed into the fill. It was mostly empty yard behind them until you got to the door to the crypt itself. I don't remember seeing the lions on my first visit, but they may have been buried, the dirt was piled up to the top of the arch, then dug down a bit by the kids who excavated back in.

Mr. Levesque, thanks for the whiskey link to Mount Vernon. My Dad was there when they were building a replica of the round barn. They grabbed him to help lift the beams in place. I gotta say, I love living in this area, there is so much history.

I'd love to see someone do a comprehensive piece on Col. William Fitzhugh and his family. He was an agent for the King who handed out land grants. His friends the Washingtons and Masons ended up with nice chunks of land. He granted himself most of the land in Springfield, Annandale and out to Fairfax where it butted up against land George Mason owned. Backlick Road followed part of a deer trail and was cut out to roll hogsheads of tobacco from his plantation Ravensworth to the Little River Turnpike in Anandale (then spelled with only 2 'n's) where they went to the port in (what is now) Old Town Alexandria. On precolonial maps it is labeled Colonel Fithugh's Rolling Road.

If you look at the family trees of the Masons, Washingtons and Lees, there are quite a few Fitzhughs who pop up here and there. one, Fitzhugh Lee, was Robert E. Lee's nephew and a famous Civil War General and the 40th Governor of Virginia. There is a nice write up of him and several pictures on Wikipedia if anyone is interested. His beard frightens me! =]

Jewel

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 22, 2011 08:31PM

WASHINGTON DC FEB 22 |

Dear Folks,

Here's some more trivia about the Remeum to ponder:

During a deposition given in 1962, Mason Remey testified that he had spent over $2.7 million dollars from inception up till the court ordered cessation of construction.

To give you an idea of the dollar amount Mason Remey would need to expend in today's economic times: $2,700,000.00 in 1958 had the same buying power as $20,530,362.68 in 2010.
Annual inflation over this period was 3.98%.

I have received an answer from the Brandenburg corporation in Chicago, Illinois.
It was the given professional opinion that due to the construction techniques utilised by Mason Remey, a conventional demolition would have been very expensive.
The experts from the firm also indicated that imploding the Remeum would have in fact resulted in a crater like depression that would have taken considerable yards of backfill and hours of grading above the time factor and backfill required to simply bury the Remeum. Here's the firm's website: http://www.brandenburg.com/Default.html

In regard to the Baha'i faith. Apparently I have touched a nerve- make that several. Most of the orthodox Baha'i will absolutely NOT speak on the record about Remey in some cases going so far as to be unwilling to speak about him period.
It is very interesting to see the reactions among the Baha'i to Mr. Remey.

We are still gathering facts and as such I have a tremendous amount of materials, but not enough authentication and verifications oh and yes, plenty of unsubstantiated rumours. I hope that I will be able to add more here shortly.

However, based on what has been discovered and researched I can say with authority that almost all aspects of the Remeum revolved around Mason's Baha'i involvement to some degree including his reasons for building it and most likely his reasons for abandoning it.

For Jewel:

William Fitzhugh (August 24, 1741 – June 6, 1809) was an American planter and statesman who served as a delegate to the Continental Congress for Virginia in 1779.

He was the great-grandson of immigrant Colonel William Fitzhugh who came to Virginia in about 1671 and owned 54,000 acres (220 km²) when he died in 1701. William of Chatham inherited most of the land. As a child he suffered the loss of an eye when accidentally hit with a whip by one of his stepbrothers.

In 1804 Fitzhugh's daughter Mary Lee Fitzhugh was married in the parlor of the Alexandria townhouse to George Washington Parke Custis, grandson of Martha Dandridge Custis Washington and adopted grandson of George Washington. In 1831 their daughter, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, married Robert E. Lee.

Fitzhugh died five years later at the age of 69, leaving behind his three children. He was initially buried at Ravensworth, but when the mansion was destroyed, his remains and gravestone were moved to the Pohick Church graveyard.

Here is a picture of the front of the Ravensworth mansion:

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: RavensworthGuy ()
Date: February 23, 2011 09:52AM

Thanks Brody, I grew up in the Ravensworth Farm neighborhood. I believe the Mansion was located where Ravensworth Shopping Center currently sits.

Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told me stories about going there in the 70s as well. Love all the posts here!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: I'd like to know ()
Date: February 23, 2011 10:18AM

RavensworthGuy Wrote:
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> Thanks Brody, I grew up in the Ravensworth Farm
> neighborhood. I believe the Mansion was located
> where Ravensworth Shopping Center currently sits.
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> Great stuff on the Remeuem, my older sisters told
> me stories about going there in the 70s as well.
> Love all the posts here!
I googled it last night and I got that it was where the ramp from the innerloop to east bound Braddock is now. I will have to look further, but its a topic for another thread.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: JBrother ()
Date: February 23, 2011 11:45AM

This has to be the best thread on this entire site! Everyone keep up the good work and the interesting facts!

On a Ravensworth related note, here are some photos of the old Ravensworth house as well as the stable building. For more photos and drawings check out the Library of Congress web site here http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/VA0405/

JBrother
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: The Sculler ()
Date: February 23, 2011 02:55PM

Very cool photos, thanks for posting them.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: February 25, 2011 11:28PM

Washington DC FEB 25 |

Dear Folks,

I have a wealth of materials that I have been wading through regarding the Remeum which I am hoping to get posted later this weekend.

In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother, and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation, Ravensworth.

Sincerely,



Brody Levesque

Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]

On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the property. In 1956, the property and buildings were considered as a possible location for the Northern Virginia University - the future George Mason University, which eventually was built near Fairfax City. The property was later sold and developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.

The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797 and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor, upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E. Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her relatives, they moved south to eventually settle in Richmond.

The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece. Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the five surviving Lee children. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500 surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and hired overseers to operate the farm.

Dr. George Bolling Lee

Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
Fairfax County
Virginia, USA
Death: Jul. 13, 1948
New York
New York County
New York, USA

George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen Keeney.

Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948, page 23,, column 5:

DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen. R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals

Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East Sixty-sixth Street.

Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington, Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb Lee.

Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr. Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.) College, where General Lee fought and lost his greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.

Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to practice medicine, continuing until his death. He was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza Hotel.

He was formerly honorary president of the board of directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three years to the day after General Lee's surrender, Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E. Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave the signal that revealed to assembled thousands the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J. Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee served as a captain and contract surgion with the United States Volunteers. In the first World War, he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers Reserve Corps....

Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter, Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.

Burial:
Lee Chapel Museum
Lexington (Lexington City County)
Lexington City
Virginia, USA



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: March 07, 2011 09:17PM

Washington DC MAR 7 |

Dear Folks,

As we continue to solidify leads and information on the Remeum, my staff and I have a small favour to ask of the readership here.

For those of you who would be interested in participating, we would deeply appreciate e-mails to the address below and in those mails, please tell us your experiences about the Remeum including how you heard about it etc.

I'd appreciate factual accounts and not second hand or "I was told that..." accounts as I am trying to document first hand accounts of the experiences.
Now, I would like your actual names but if that is not possible then I will be more than happy to use you 'net handle' or an alias of your choice.

Thanks to all.

Sincerely,



Brody Levesque

e-mail: theroadtraveler@gmail.com

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: RavensworthGuy ()
Date: March 08, 2011 10:47AM

Brody Levesque Wrote:
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> Washington DC FEB 25 |
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I have a wealth of materials that I have been
> wading through regarding the Remeum which I am
> hoping to get posted later this weekend.
>
> In the meantime, for Jewel, The Sculler, JBrother,
> and RavensworthGuy, here's some more information
> on the Colonel William Fitzhugh plantation,
> Ravensworth.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Brody Levesque
>
> Ravensworth Replacement House [ Pictured Below ]
>
> On August 1, 1926, the Ravensworth Mansion
> mysteriously burned down, though the adjacent
> outbuildings survived. Subsequently, Dr. George
> Bolling Lee built this smaller farm house on the
> property. In 1956, the property and buildings were
> considered as a possible location for the Northern
> Virginia University - the future George Mason
> University, which eventually was built near
> Fairfax City. The property was later sold and
> developed into the Ravensworth subdivision. The
> Lee farm house was demolished to make way for the
> Ravensworth shopping center and industrial area.
>
> The original Ravensworth Mansion was built c. 1797
> and became home to William Henry Fitzhugh and his
> wife Anna Maria. Henry had inherited the
> Ravensworth property in 1809, while still a minor,
> upon his father William Fitzhugh's death. Anna
> Maria's niece, Mary Lee and her husband, Robert E.
> Lee honeymooned at Ravensworth. During the Civil
> War, Mary Lee and her children briefly stayed at
> Ravensworth, but fearing for the safety of her
> relatives, they moved south to eventually settle
> in Richmond.
>
> The Fitzhughs, who were childless, had willed the
> 8,000-acre Ravensworth property to their niece.
> Mary Lee's death in 1873 preceded Anna Maria's in
> 1874. Therefore, the estate was divided among the
> five surviving Lee children. William Henry
> Fitzhugh Lee inherited the mansion and 500
> surrounding acres. By 1922, W. H. F. Lee's
> property had passed to his son Dr. George Bolling
> Lee, who used the residence as a summer home and
> hired overseers to operate the farm.
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee
>
> Birth: Aug. 31, 1872
> Fairfax County
> Virginia, USA
> Death: Jul. 13, 1948
> New York
> New York County
> New York, USA
>
> George was the son of Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh
> Lee and Mary Tabb Bolling. He married Helen
> Keeney.
>
> Obituary from the "New York Times," 14 Jul 1948,
> page 23,, column 5:
>
> DR. GEORGE B. LEE, GYNECOLOGIST, 75
> Physician Here Since 1899 Dies - Grandson of Gen.
> R.E. Lee Served Many Hospitals
>
> Dr. George Bolling Lee, a gynecologist who had
> practiced medicine here since 1899 and was a
> grandson of Gen. Robert E. Lee, Confederate
> military leader in the Civil War, died yesterday
> in St. Luke's Hospital after a long illness at the
> age of 75. His home and office were at 20 East
> Sixty-sixth Street.
>
> Of Colonial lineage, he was born in Lexington,
> Va., a great-grandson of Col. Henry (Lighthorse
> Harry) Lee of the Continental Army and the son of
> the Late Maj. Gen. William Henry Fitzhugh Lee of
> the Confederate Army and the late Mrs. Mary Tabb
> Lee.
>
> Dr. Lee was graduated with an A.B. degree from
> Washington and Lee University in 1893 and received
> his M.D. in 1896 from the College of Physicians
> and Surgeons of Columbia University. In 1934, Dr.
> Lee and Maj. Gen. Ulysses G. Grant 3d, (USA
> (retired), and grandson of the man to whom Gen.
> Robert E. Lee surrendered in 1865, received
> honorary LL.D. degrees from Gettysburg (Pa.)
> College, where General Lee fought and lost his
> greatest battle. The grandsons shook hands.
>
> Practiced Since 1899. An interne at Bellevue
> Hospital in 1896-99, Dr. Lee then commenced to
> practice medicine, continuing until his death. He
> was formerly an associate surgeon at Women's
> Hospital and visiting gynecologist at Bellevue
> Hospital and the Hospital for Joint Diseases. He
> also was formerly Professor of Gynecology and
> Obstetrics at the Polyclinc Medical School and
> Hospital. At one time his office was in the Plaza
> Hotel.
>
> He was formerly honorary president of the board of
> directors of the Robert E. Lee Memorial
> Foundation, which acquired and restored Stratford
> Hall, his grandfather's Virginia birthplace, as a
> national shrine. On April 9, 1928, sixty-three
> years to the day after General Lee's surrender,
> Dr. Lee was a guest of honor as his son, Robert E.
> Lee 4th, now a student at Washington and Lee gave
> the signal that revealed to assembled thousands
> the equestrian statue of General Lee carved in
> granite on the wall of Stone Mound, Georgia, as
> part of the Lee Memorial. The late James J.
> Walker, then Mayor of New York, accepted the
> memorial on behalf of the nation.... Dr. Lee
> served as a captain and contract surgion with the
> United States Volunteers. In the first World War,
> he was a captain in the Army Medical Officers
> Reserve Corps....
>
> Besides his son, he leaves his wife, Mrs. Helen
> Keeney Lee, whom he wed in 1920, and a daughter,
> Miss Mary W. Lee of New York.
>
> Burial:
> Lee Chapel Museum
> Lexington (Lexington City County)
> Lexington City
> Virginia, USA


Very cool stuff Brody, thanks again! I am going to talk to an old friend that went to Lee HS back in the 70's and hung out at Cripts and with Hells Angels back then. I'll be sure to send anything interesting that I hear from him.

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Posted by: Carlo ()
Date: March 12, 2011 07:54PM

I thought the Pagans held out at the crypts?

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Posted by: Ravensworthguy ()
Date: March 12, 2011 10:34PM

Carlo Wrote:
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> I thought the Pagans held out at the crypts?

I meant the Pagans, my fault.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carlo ()
Date: March 20, 2011 12:35PM

Has anyone written into Brody's web.theroadtraveler@gmail.com

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: March 22, 2011 10:40PM

WASHINGTON DC MAR 22 |

Dear Folks,

I need to beg your indulgence as this past few weeks worth of work related events the news cycles with earthquakes/tsunamis/nuclear meltdowns/Egypt/Libya- ad infinitum nauseum, has left me unable to grab a spare moment or two to work on the Remeum story project.

Hopefully, barring another natural disaster or armed conflict to report on I'll be able to dive back into the story. I should note that I have received a considerable number of e-mails from Baha'i believers who have generously provided my staff and I with a significant amount of information regarding Mason Remey.

I have also been grateful to receive e-mails from several folk who "partied" at the "crypts" with some details of their experiences/personal history. I am encouraged by this and again, here's my e-mail if you'd be willing to share your experiences: theroadtraveler@gmail.com You may remain anonymous should you desire.

Thanks again for your patience, I remain,

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S. ()
Date: March 24, 2011 04:53AM

In the sunner of 1981 or 1982, I was hanging out at the ALANO Club near 7 Corners and went with a few teenagers to The Crypts at about 2am. We went inside and I remember seeing a plaque that has not been mentioned before. I can't remember the exact wording, but it basically said that the original designs or blueprints were at a University (Harvard or Yale?).

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Carl o ()
Date: April 05, 2011 11:45AM

Hey,

Hows progress going Brody or anyone else

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: April 05, 2011 08:54PM

Bethesda, Maryland APR 5 |

Dear Carl & folks here,

I have been receiving hundreds of e-mails from Baha'i faithful on the subject of Mason Remey.

What is amazing to consider is that nearly 50 years after the turmoil in the Baha'i faith, Remey still generates tremendous controversy & debate that at time is quite acrimonious.

To be honest, the events of the past couple of months have precluded my being able to devote any particular time towards the Remeum project, although, I did have a brilliant conversation & interview with the demolitions expert who as far as I can determine was the last person to explore and tour the entire complex shortly before it was buried and covered over by the Pohick Church for the last time in 1983.

Although in his late seventies, I found him to be quite lucid and his descriptions were illuminating. Sadly, I have to report that the gentleman unfortunately did not make a photographic record of his appraisal of the complex for the suitability of a controlled demolition v. the eventual burial thus once again I am in search of photos which may well turn out to be impossible to locate or have long since ceased to exist.

I also again want to thank the readers here who have been sending me their personal stories and "tales from the crypts" which have provided me with a fascinating glimpse into the teen-aged sub-culture of the late 1960's through to the early 1980's in regard to the "parties at the crypts."

I would again ask that you folks keep those stories coming to me at my email address which is: theroadtraveler@gmail.com

Should I get a longer break here from the news cycle, I intend to write out an outline and some facts that have been uncovered along with tidbits from the Bahia'i communications and the research.

Thanks again for your collective patience folks, I appreciate it.

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: ft hunt ()
Date: April 06, 2011 06:10AM

Use to hear it was a hangout for the Pagans

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Mullen ()
Date: April 06, 2011 06:53PM

Thank you Brody. Your efforts on this research-item are appreciated and followed by myself and probably many other silent readers? Please keep us informed on your developing research. It is fascinating and wanting to learn more. Thanks!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Ravensworthguy ()
Date: April 16, 2011 10:35AM

I talked to my friend who hung out with the Pagans as a teenager who said there are definitely more levels in the crypts. He mentioned how it graded down into other chambers and said he went "pretty far" in there meaning that there was a lot more than even he saw. He also said he was in there when the bodies were still there. He said there was an area that had coffins in the walls and how people vandalized them. It was all behind the cinderblock wall in the photos.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: 2ndhandinfo ()
Date: May 05, 2011 01:01AM

I talked to both my parents and I don't believe the 1983 date is correct. My dad and a family friend went down to the crypts and they were still uncovered when they were at a wedding at Pohick Church in 1985(I checked with the person who was married that day as to the year). I can tell you they did not go into the crypts very far if at all but they at least poked there heads into the opening of the crypt with a flashlight.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Jenna Talia ()
Date: May 05, 2011 04:09AM

I've officially spent in the vicinity of 4 hours reading every single post in this thread. I've only lived in the area for a year and a half, and this is quite possibly one of the most intriguing tales I've ever encountered.

I don't have anything to add to the story, but I'm totally interested in this piece of history. I know the church is dead set against any sort of re-entry to the crypt, and that is truly disheartening. From the various descriptions here, it seems it is of some serious historical and architectural value. Even though the carvings, statues, et al are severely damaged, it still piques my interest as to what is salvagable from the crypt. It seems such a shame that years of vandalism brought an end to what is such a treasure.

I plan on continuing to follow this thread with great interest.



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: The Sculler ()
Date: May 05, 2011 07:29AM

It's been a while since I've heard from Brody.

I might try and go out there and poke around, to see what the state of things are.

Maybe we can kickstart some life back into this thread.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
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Date: May 05, 2011 10:56AM


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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: The Sculler ()
Date: May 05, 2011 11:21AM

I think this thread has long since surpassed anything Norvapics has. When this thread first started, I found Norvapics through my searches and tried to start an account to access their pictures and it didn't work. I even contacted the moderator to see if he could help and explained to him how excited I was to find out about this long-lost, local history. His only reply was that he was just interested in taking peoples' money if they wanted to see what pictures Norvapics had to offer.

The joke's on him. In the end, someone on this thead boosted pictures of their site anyway and posted them. Like I said, this thread has much more information on the Crypts than Norvapics could ever hope to offer.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Jenna Talia ()
Date: May 05, 2011 06:09PM

I know it's wishful thinking, and maybe a bit macabre, but wouldn't it be interesting if a private investor purchased the property and repaired the crypt, opening it up for viewing as a "historical building"? I wonder if it's even financially viable. Would enough people give a damn enough to spend some admission dollars to check it out? I know I'd spend a few bucks to go check it out...

Too bad the church never embraced the idea years ago. I'm really interested in what the interior looks like..

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: May 05, 2011 10:39PM

WASHINGTON DC MAY 5 |

Dear Folks,

As I previously have stated, my principal means of earning a living is as a journalist, freelancing for two major wire services, and as I'm certain you have all noted, there certainly hasn't been a lack of "news" to cover.

I have to admit, starting off with earthquakes, then a tsunami topped of with a nuclear disaster certainly was interesting. Then there was Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen with a finishing touch of Libya and for added excitement a Royal wedding and this past weekend, the hunt for the world's most despised terrorist ended.

In between was Tea party fights, a budget crisis, politicos at each other's throats and I gotta tell you all, my days were VERY long indeed.

So, again, I apologise if I've been absent in posting here but I haven't had time to edit through all of your marvelous e-mails and leads that my staff and I are still chasing.

To the gentleperson who thought 1983 was not the correct date. [ 2ndhandinfo ] This is the date that I have been given by the church as well as an official with Shirley Contracting as to the final "cover-up" if you will, of the Remeum.
Now, as we perform due diligence on all aspects of this story, should that fact stand corrected, I will be more than happy to publish the verified date.

At this time, 1983 seems to match the available documentation as well as the oral history we've been collecting.

Dear Mr. Sculler, I need to thank you for your continuing support of my efforts along with everyone here who reads this thread and contributes. Especially those of you who have e-mailed with your personal stories which are bloody marvelous. Cheers for that eh?

Now, a brief update. We now have in our possession copies of the actual construction blueprints which I have sent to a friend who works with an architectural firm. I am hopeful that we will be able to "shrink" the blueprints down into manageable jpeg or png formats so that I can share them with you folks.

Also, apparently Admiral Wadleigh had left some journal entries and letters that pertain to his actions on behalf of Mason Remey regarding the reinterments of the family remains as well as Mrs. C. M. Remey. We are in contact with the source who has knowledge of these documents and I am hopeful that I will or my assistant will be able to view and duplicate them. This would especially be beneficial in identifying the contractor that installed the three cinderblock and dirt plugs at the time the Admiral moved the remains in compliance with the U. S. District Court order & agreement.

Finally, I need to gently caution & remind folks that the Remeum is located on the glebe of the Pohick Church which is private property quite obviously. The church vestry and the warden-sexton take a very dim view of trespassing on the site of the Remeum for, well, shall we say, obvious reasons? Even after nearly 27 years since its being covered over for the last time, its still very much a hot-button with the church.

Thanks again for the all of the e-mails, please keep them coming. I also must thank the rather large Baha'i readership who have been following this thread and taking a rather keen interest in the story.

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington D. C.
theroadtraveler@gmail.com
(202) 556-0877



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: May 06, 2011 09:28PM

Charles Mason Remey intrigues me the more I study him. I found a scanned version of a book he wrote that included drawings for his suggestion of the first Baha'i Temple (Mashrek El Azkar) in the United States. He wrote this in 1920, about 17 years before he started building "The Crypts"...
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: May 06, 2011 10:00PM

Here is another, earlier book Charles Mason Remey wrote concerning the first Baha'i Temple in The United States. It was written in 1917, and includes 9 different designs for the Temple (9 has a special meaning to the Baha'i, that's why there are 3 nines on Remey's empty sarcophagus in The Crypts). There are so many drawings and information, I included the entire book in PDF. The cornerstone was layed in 1912, in Wilmette, IL, near Chicago, and The Temple was finally finished in 1953.
Attachments:
Mashrak-El-Azkar 1917.pdf

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Ms ProVallone ()
Date: May 17, 2011 06:35PM

I took this from a friend of mine's facebook page. I assume this was taken sometime in the early 80's.
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: May 18, 2011 11:27AM

Ms ProVallone...

Thanks for the picture, but someone already posted it on the first page of this thread. Do you have any other pictures that haven't been posted?

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 04:38PM

Father and Mother of Charles Mason Remey, buried in Arlington Cemetery. Photo taken May 29, 2011.

REAR ADMIRAL
GEORGE COLLIER REMEY
UNITED STATES NAVY
1841-1928

MARY MASON REMEY
1845-1938

REMEY

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Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 04:43PM

Brother and Sister-In-Law of Charles Mason Remey, Arlinton Cemetery. Photo taken 5-29-2011.


JOHN TERRY REMEY
LIEUTENANT J.G. U.S.N.
JULY 9, 1890
NOVEMBER 9, 1960

HIS WIFE
MARGARET HOWARD REMEY
JULY 13, 1892
MARCH 28, 1974

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Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 04:48PM

Nephew of Charles Mason Remey, Arlington Cemetery. Photo taken 5-29-2011.

GEORGE REMEY
WADLEIGH

LIEUTENANT U.S.N.R.
1920-1950

He that soweth to the Spirit shall
of the Spirit reap life everlasting

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 04:53PM

The 3 previous graves I posted of Charles Mason Remey's relatives buried in Arlington Cemetery are shown in perspective to one another. Photo taken May 29, 2011.


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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Ut videam ()
Date: June 02, 2011 04:54PM

Thanks for the pictures, but would it have killed you to scale them down?

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 05:06PM

This stone bench is located in the cemetery at Pohick Church. It is along the treeline at the bottom of the hill overlooking from a distance The Remeum.

Rumors to this day suggest that Charles Mason Remey may have killed his wife of 1 year, though the "official" cause is suicide. The inscription on the bench is telling, was Charles "rejoicing" or "sorrowing"...?

GREETING FROM THE BUILDER OF THE REMEUM
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE REJOICING
TO THOSE THAT SIT HERE SORROWING
AS HE HIMSELF HS DONE IN DAYS PAST

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Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 02, 2011 05:22PM

This grave is located in the cemetery at Pohick Church. It is close to the treeline at the bottom of the hill overlooking from a distance The Remeum.

This is the grave of the wife of Charles Mason Remey. She was originally entombed in the Remeum, and hers is the only remains from the Remeum still located on the property.

Compared to many of the graves at Pohick, this headstone is not very substantial in thickness or quality. The engraving has an error in the roman numeral of her birth year (1388 instead of 1888). We had to pull the headstone up out of the ground to get the picture (we replaced it) because the last 2 lines were below ground level. There is no base for this headstone which is approximately 1-1/4" thick.

If you look at the second picture below, you will see the bench in the previous post. It is down the hill and approximately 20' to the right...

IN
AFFECTIONATE MEMORY
OF
MY WIFE
GERTRUDE HEIM REMEY
MCCCLXXXVIII-MCMXXXII
OUR MARRIAGE
WAS SOLEMNIZED IN
THE PRO CATHEDRAL CHURCH
OF
THE HOLY TRINITY
PARIS FRANCE
ON THE ELEVENTH DAY OF JULY
MCMXXXI

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: June 03, 2011 12:01AM

WASHINGTON DC | JUNE 2ND

Dear Folks,

The pictures that Steve has provided need to be footnoted in terms of the very last two pictures he has provided.

The "headstone" actually was an engraved plaque that was embedded in the wall behind the head of the sarcophagus of Gertrude S. H. Remey in the wall inside her burial niche in the Remeum.

When the Admiral had her remains removed & reinterred in the Pohick glebe's burial yard, the workman pried the plaque off the wall & used it as a grave marker/headstone which is why it has the appearance that Steve noted.

The above bench which Steve photographed was originally located in the outer courtyard of the Remeum and was also relocated by the Admiral.

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque


P. S.

The research continues into the life & times of Charles Mason Remey which has turned out to be an absolutely spell binding tale. My abject apologies for not posting at least an occasional update folks.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Wow people keep taking my names ()
Date: June 03, 2011 11:38AM

This shit is kinda cool i wanna check it out!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: waldo ()
Date: June 04, 2011 06:59PM

where is this place

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 05, 2011 02:38PM

Brody,
Any explanation for the year 1388 being engraved on the plaque for Gertrude? Charles seemed to be pretty meticulous in his mausoleum and I don't find many misprints in his writings...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: June 05, 2011 10:06PM

WASHINGTON DC | JUNE 5

Dear Steve,

Actually I have no explanation as there's nothing documented as far as the materials we've collected, the only plausible explanation is that it was an error on the part of the stone's engraver which possibly may have been overlooked or missed.

Interesting though.


Brody

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Will ()
Date: June 10, 2011 12:18AM

You are mistaken regarding any likelihood that Remey could succeed Shoghi Effendi as head of the Baha'i Faith. The successor Guardian would have had to be a male offspring of Shoghi Effendi (he had no children and Mason Remey was not a descendant), have been so designated explicitly during Shoghi Effendi's lifetime (Shoghi Effendi designated no one to succeed him in the guardianship), and been confirmed by secret ballot of a majority of a body of nine Hands of the Cause of God (Shoghi Effendi never presented the name of a successor for such a confirmation to the Hands of the Cause of God). There are two institutions of the Baha'i Faith that are linked but may operate without the other being present: the Guardian and the Universal House of Justice. Shoghi Effendi designated the Body of the Hands of the Cause of God as chief stewards to carry forward his plans until the election of the Universal House of Justice in 1963. The Universal House of Justice is the head of the Baha'i Faith and Shoghi Effendi was the only Guardian. The 6 million members of the Baha'i community are faithful and correct in this. Mr. Remey was ego-filled and approaching senility in 1961 when he made his startling claims to be the "hereditary Guardian."

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Posted by: Will ()
Date: June 10, 2011 12:29AM

"Brain" mentioned that "maybe someday the Orthodox Baha'I [sic] will want to dig it up and reassemble it." This is doubtful. Remey's handful of followers split into competing factions after their excommunication from the Baha'i community. It is questionable that a couple dozen people who constitute that group would have the funds necessary. From a Baha'i perspective, the razing of the Remeum was the result of Remey's own self-importance, faithlessness and egotism. The Remeum is an interesting sidelight on a life that took bizarre turns as Remey aged, but it will likely remain a ruin and an example, like the monuments in the famed poem "Ozymandias."

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 10, 2011 01:55AM

Will,
Does a mental illness like senility, and the actions it produces, give cause for excommunication from the Bahai faith? If so, that is sad that a mental illness is a justifiable prejudice of the Bahai. I am not really sure he was senile, considering he did so much the final 16 years of his life (1963-1974), but you stated he was...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: brentp ()
Date: June 10, 2011 02:40AM

Steve S -- just a thought, because I've read all of this literature, and have written about it extensively. Mr Remey was not an example of a senile man, whose conduct was excusable and understandable. That wasn't what happened, and the excommunication was not a hard-hearted measure by cold people. I've met 9 of the Hands and they were genuinely gentle and kind and humble people.

The only comparison I can give, without going into a whole lot of history and theology that is way beyond what the folks on this site are interested in -- is to say that it would be roughly comparable to one of the 12 Apostles of Christ saying to the Christian community, "Ignore the life's work and the words of the other 11 Apostles; ignore the New Testament; dismantle the entire Christian community, it's all off-base. Follow me, reject the others, I'm starting an entirely new religion." I won't bore you with the specifics, but for those who are interested in that topic, there's a letter here from Mr Remey that is what I'm talking about.
http://bahai-library.com/uhj/aqdas.expulsion-cbs.html It's near the bottom, where Mr Remey is talking about the "mistake" made by the Head of the Baha'i Faith, where Mr Remey talks about dismantling the entire life's work of the man he claims to be the hereditary successor to (an American claiming to be the hereditary successor to a man of Persian extraction born in the Holy Land 24 years after Mr Remey was.) Suffice it to say, it gets pretty crazy. And I won't discuss it further here. I have a website on the subject. I just want to clarify that one point -- Mr Remey was not kicked out because of understandable senility. It was far more calculating and potentially harmful than that.
Best regards
Brent

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: June 10, 2011 04:43PM

brentp,
I agree, however, Will implied that he was senile. I was just sarcastically pointing that out. I don't for one second believe Remey was senile. I understand a lot of the history concerning the Bahai. My interest in this is how it relates to the Remeum. Brody Levesque is researching all aspects of Remey's life, and would probably appreciate any first-person historical relationships with Remey.
Charles Mason Remey's claims of Guardian and whether they are right or wrong don't interest me, as I am not Bahai. The historical records and how they relate to the Remeum and Remey himself are what I am interested in. Historically, Remey was excommunicated and he continued to try to gain control. He was not successful, end of argument. I think battling on 2 fronts, saving the Remeum from Pohick church lawyaers and pursuing his Guardian claims, consumed most of his energy and all his money during the 1960's. It seems to help explain why he finally gave up on the Remeum in the late 60's...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Rod T. ()
Date: June 12, 2011 01:01PM

Like many others, I too invested several others reading this thread from the beginning to end. Having been down in the crypts I thought I would take a few minutes and recount my recollections and some thoughts on the subject.

Recollections

I attended JEB Stuart High School from 1978-1980 and guess that it would have been 1980 that I made my one and only trip into the crypts. Some friends and I were hanging out when one asked if we wanted to go to the crypts. We all (about 4 of us) said "Yes" and so we went. Once we arrived, our guide admonished us to be quiet as we snuck past the groundskeepers house through the woods. We went up an incline and through the entrance that can be seen in one of the photos that was posted earlier. And, like the two guys in the photo, had to descend onto a ledge and the step down from there. The room itself was totally dark, damp and littered with beer cans, trash and mounds of candle wax. What struck me was just how small the pieces of marble had been smashed into. I remember hoping to find some "souvenir" of the trip such as a marble finger, foot, hand or even a piece with some discernable writing on it, but as I said, all of the marble was smashed to smithereens. It was strange, because the pieces were so small that it was unlikely that someone would have kept throwing the pieces and busting them on the floor, rather it looked like someone had been down there with a hammer and like a convict breaking rocks, just kept pounding away. I remember basically two confined rooms. The first one that you were in when you entered, and the second that contained Remey's sarcophagus. Here is where it gets weird, as smashed as everything else was, I remember the sarcophagus itself being undamaged. I believe that it was some sort of brown stone. Granite maybe? The top was centered on the base and the four us tried to move it but were unable. We hung out down there for a while until another group of kids came down. To be honest, I hadn't really been scared to this point, I guess because I had been in several abandoned houses as a younger kid, but when those other teens came down there after us, that's when I became nervous. There was a lot of school rivalry at that time and Falls Church High was Stuart High's arch enemy. On top of that, our guide had told us that the pagans had partied down there and of course the thought that it could be one of them crossed my mind. After a short period of apprehension though, we eventually did our thing and the other group did theirs without incident. As far as the cops were concerned, it was pretty evident that none of them would actually try to come down inside, rather it was when you were leaving that you were most vulnerable.

Thoughts

1. Has anyone tried to contact the caretaker whom I believe was affectionately called "Stumpy"? An interview with that guy would be priceless. Some have described him as a nice guy with a pair of friendly golden retrievers who gave them a flashlight and ordered his young daughter to give a tour of the site. Others say he was angry, missing his legs, had attack dogs and had shot someone in the butt with rock salt. I lean more towards the former. I mean really, would the church allow him to shoot at kids with rock salt but be worried about liability of continuing to keep the crypts open? Sure, he aims for the butt, but at the last minute the kid turns around and has an eye and half his face shot off. No, I think he was just a poor guy with a thankless and hopeless job probably as scared of us kids (and Pagans) as we were of him. I think the shotgun and rock salt was a rumor made up to scare you like saltpeter at summer camp or the mysterious red dye that would activate only when you urinated in the swimming pool. Would the Fairfax police allow him to shoot at kids? Also, if he only had stumps, you could easily outrun him, unlike the tall man from Phantasm.

2. Speaking of the police, was anyone ever actually arrested at the crypts? When I was there, I was told that the police frequented the place, but we saw none. It would have been ridiculously easy for them to catch folks.

3. The amount of traffic that this place must have seen at its height had to be extraordinary. I had been told kids from Maryland would drive to Virginia for a night to party at the crypts. Remember, the one night that we went, we were met by another party. There must have been thousands that have been down into the crypts. School age kids cannot keep anything secret. By the time I let JEB Stuart, most of my friends had either been there or knew about it. Multiply that times 20 or so high schools. In fact, I bet Stumpy just gave up towards the end. And kids who are in a group who have been drinking and partying are notoriously LOUD. Keeping your voice down was a sign of respect towards Stumpy, not stealth. With that many kids coming in and out, on Halloween, if he had to go out, he could have left his bowl of candy by the entrance to the crypts with a sign that said "Please, only take one!"

4. I would love to know what happened to the head of the statue that was knocked off. I imagine that it could have ended up in some stoners basement who used it to burn candles on, or, might it have been thrown through the window of the principals car on the last day of school. It has to be somewhere! Whoever painted those statues with glow-in-the-dark paint is genius! That was the "golden age" of the crypts before everything just got smashed.

5. Does any of the church administration or it's congregation have any pictures I would think that the church administration would have extensively photo-documented the construction of such a large project on their property.
6. For those who want to unearth the crypts, unless you can be certain that there were additional rooms that were untouched, all you will find is rusty 80' beer cans and smashed marble. There is though, at least when I was there, Remey's sarcophagus. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what the market value of that thing would be if it were undamaged?

I guess the bottom line for me is that thanks to this board, I now know more about Charles Remey than I did when I was down in his crypt. Maybe we should have recommended that they bury Bin Laden down there. That would scare people off.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Demetrios T ()
Date: June 13, 2011 03:22AM

Hi everyone, and thanks for this board! I am the younger brother of Rod, up above me, and I was waiting for him to post his thoughts and story before I posted mine.
I remember as though it were yesterday, being asked if I wanted to go to the crypts one night. I had heard from my brother that he went and he told me when he came back all what he saw. One thing he didn't mention in his story, which I distinctly remember him saying was a frieze depicting the battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac. Someone else confirmed this as well shortly thereafter. I think it was one of the friends he went with. Another guy who went down there, possibly with my brother, told me there was a "battleship" statue. I am not sure how much was made up or they had seen earlier or if it was their imagination. But I distinctly remember One of the people saying that there were statues, and beautiful artwork and motifs of the civil war. I am sure they must have seen something because they wanted to take me, my brother had went. and of course they wanted to go back. TO MY LIFES' REGRET, I didn't ever go. SURE, I did WANT to go, but I had heard stories of people smoking pot down there and among the many things I have done, I never smoked pot and didn't want to be around that. As a young kid, I am three years younger than my brother, and I was 13 in 1980, and couldn't abide stoners so I always just refused to go. If I could change anything in my life, that would be in the top 5!!! I don't care what would be down there now, a thugs' crack house, a Chinese opium den, or a middle eastern hash-house, I would go through fire and water to visit it now! And for the record, let me state, that if anyone gets close to breaking in, LET ME KNOW and I will risk being arrested to at least see once what is down there, even if it is just broken marble and an old empty sarcaphagus. I am adjusted well enough in life to be able to afford the fine and would happily pay my court fees and have a permanent record as a criminal that went into the crypts. Dammit, I missed out on part of my past that I shouldn't have, and I would love one day to get down there!
I did drive by not to long ago and took some pictures of thr tombstone of Gertrude Remey that I was going to post, but I see someone beat me to it. I think I will wait till fall to get my tresspass on and go look at the column and the vents, when the ticks are gone and the leaves are off the trees. and more importantly, no poison ivy since I almost always get it. I did come across something interesting when I went. I went up Tangerine street, behind the crypts and where it dead ends into Treasure Oak street, is a wooden fence with a sign on it. A truck was parked blocking the sign, but I managed to get a pic. I think it might foreshadwo things to come. It says "future public street connector" The road is sahped to begin what looks like a cross-street to add more housing. Now here is the weird part. If you were to look at a map on sattelite view, you can see it and it clearly will, if built straight for a little bit, go OVER the crypts! Every cloud has its silver lining; if they build this I don't see how they can without doing excavation, or testing to see if the crypts will collapse under new houses, or any other number of problems with building house obver crypts. The silver lining? We get to finnally get down there! AS LONG as we don't let then start construction without being kept abreast of it. If they do it all in secret we will get screwed! But if we keep a close eye, maybe we can force them to report the crypts to the paper to have them cover the "re-opening" of the crypts, if even just to rebury them! I will attach a copy of the picture to this entry.
Now for some of my thoughts.
The rock salt gun has to be BS. For this simple reason alone. I was interested in researching rock salt guns, and the general consensus is that they are urban legend BS. Do a simple google search or check out you-tubee of the people who have tried to build them or fill shells with rocks salt and see the rseults. These are gun enthusiasts who are very kjnowledgeable and they all seem to say that rock salt just doesnt work in guns. there are tons of websites that all give scientific thinking into why they are all just BS. I am inclined to believe it. I never met anyone who has one, and I know a lot of people who own guns, and they all say it's BS. Add that to my brothers point that "Stumpy" would be in alot of trouble for potetntially maiming and blinding kids. IF he had ANY type of a shotgun, birdshot maybe, but never rocksalt.
I love the pictures with the kids on this site holding the long grey flashlights. You could get those at Radioshack for 99 cents back in the day, (I think a way to then get you to buy 4 D cell batteries for it). I went through two of those because the batteries made them very heavy to a kid and your first inclination then was to start swinging it like a bat. I hit someone with one and it broke, cheaply made, and the other one I picked up by the lamp end and moved it too quickly and the weight of the D cells just made it snap. What I would have given for a Mag Lite! I would still have a flashlight and the person I had hit would have been knocked unconscious rather than just laugh at me!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Whoever had that freaking awesome idea of puting a camera on a string and dropping it into the airshafts, DO IT!! I think it could tell us a lot.

Keep the blog alive! And let's be there when they do their " building studies'!!
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: The Sculler ()
Date: June 13, 2011 07:47AM

Rod,
I like your idea of trying to see if the Church or someone in the congregation has some old photos of the Crypts. However, I feel like you would really be taking a chance if you were to ask the wrong person. As someone has mentioned before, the Crypts are a pretty sore subject for the Church, so if you were to ask the wrong person (and there's a pretty good chance that anyone there is gonna be the "wrong" person to ask) it could prove to be another set back for further exploration. But don't get me wrong, I do like your idea, because I think it's very likely that someone there does have some good pictures. The problem is finding that person amongst all the ones that would shut you down.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: June 14, 2011 02:43AM

WASHINGTON DC JUNE 14 |

Dear Folks,

As you can see from the Baha'i discussion above, Mason Remey after all these years is still a lighting rod topic for the Baha'i.

Aside from his story is the Remeum itself and quite frankly, there are other aspects of its story that are even more fascinating than one might imagine given the nature of its intended purpose.

I want to thank Demetrios T & his older brother Rod T for their contributions to this neverending tale.

Additionally, I have been in touch with the Fairfax County Planning & Zoning Commission to inquire if a right-of-way easement and development easement along with an application for development along with necessary permits have been issued for that section of the glebe of the church. As soon as I get their response I'll be sure to inform you folks.

The one thing that is very fascinating is Remey- A point that even the Baha'i tend to overlook. He was, in so many ways, a prism that one could metaphorically hold up to the light and end up being dazzled in a veritable rainbow of colours.
What is generally not understood by even today's Baha'i leadership was Mason Remey's contributions on numerous fields.

A small example- During the Second War, Mason dealt directly with British Spymaster Sir William Stephenson, the Canadian who ran MI6 operations in the western hemisphere and worked in concert with not only FBI Chief Edgar Hoover, but the head of the American Intelligence organisation, the OSS's William Donovan.

Research shows that Hoover, Donovan, and on several occasions Sir Stephenson were dinner guests at Mason Remey's Massachusetts Avenue mansion. Remey it turns out, had gone to these men to get assistance in getting Baha'i faithful out of Nazi occupied Europe. More interesting, was Remey's connection to Alan Dulles who later went to bat for the Baha'i faith with Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, to secure the Baha'i property and holy sites when the state of Israel was being created. This again, at the request of Mason Remey,

So, as you can see, there is so much more to this story and it is truly an epic tale. From the kids who partied in the Remeum to the controversial life of its builder.

Tales from the Crypt? Tacky to be certain, but justified.

I look forward to more stories and by all means, please, please, keep those marvelous e-mails coming. My sincere gratitude to all of you who have written and continue to express an interest in this absolutely marvelous story.


Sincerely,


Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: assbeef ()
Date: June 15, 2011 04:50PM

hmmmn-a few of my beer cans may still be down there eh?

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Spelunker ()
Date: June 16, 2011 10:47AM

Anyone interested in going to people and the places we've discussed and try to learn more and possiply find whats behind that wall via. pictures or better yet, go into the crypts? Screw the laws, lets starts diggin! Who's with me?

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: K.Fernandes ()
Date: June 24, 2011 05:50PM

I started going to Crypts in 68 was turned on to it by friend,it was all intack then the big iron gates where chained and to get into the tomb we has to go down a rope tied off at top easy down but hard to get out.There where no remains in there at this time you could use mirrow and flash light to look in the big tomes in back right and left they had put blocks into keep lid open for some reason,they where empty inside.you could look down vents and see inside tomb at that time.there was know damage to outside or tomb at this time although later they tryed to fill in tome with bunch of dirt and block but you could still get in by climing over top.there was a back part but was blocked up.Spent many nights there Kd out was a really kool place to go.I even have one of the 5 point stars w/twisted circle attched to it almost like a door knocker have had it sence 68.I lived and grew up in Falls Church till 75 then moved sure has changed there.so can any one tell me is the place still there or covered up now?Just thought I would give my experince with The Crypts for others who are intersted in that kool place.Later....

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brain ()
Date: June 26, 2011 07:17PM

Will Wrote:
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> "Brain" mentioned that "maybe someday the Orthodox
> Baha'I will want to dig it up and reassemble it."
> This is doubtful. Remey's handful of followers
> split into competing factions after their
> excommunication from the Baha'i community. It is
> questionable that a couple dozen people who
> constitute that group would have the funds
> necessary. From a Baha'i perspective, the razing
> of the Remeum was the result of Remey's own
> self-importance, faithlessness and egotism. The
> Remeum is an interesting sidelight on a life that
> took bizarre turns as Remey aged, but it will
> likely remain a ruin and an example, like the
> monuments in the famed poem "Ozymandias."

I mentioned the possibility of future orthodox Baha'i rebuilding the Remeum kind of with a smile. Realistically? probably not,lol. It's obvious the old spiritual leaders of the Baha'i were not perfect and could not see into the future - they were human. Remey did so much for the Baha'i cause. And a few still believe he was the rightful successor for a number of reasons it seems. Much of the apprehension around revisiting Remeys claims by mainstream Baha'i comes from the fear of being excommunicated - like Remey.

I'm always curious about the perceived underdog in a story, in this case Remey. Maybe it was all about who would get the "power". Remey was as tight as anybody with Shoghi Effendi, and he seemed to be singled out for playing an important role in the future of the faith. I'm curious now about why Remey and a few others thought he was the successor. People generally laugh at absurdity, but the to the Baha'i Mason Remey is still no laughing matter. The fear of excommunication is keeping individual Baha'i from engaging in a serious re-examination of the man. Remey still wields a strange power -even after all these years,lol.

I want to know more about the Remeum as a cultural mystery and phenomenon.

I love this whole discussion, thanks to everyone who has contributed.

J.Brain

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Posted by: wnrsm ()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:13PM

Ditto. Awesome contributions!

Too bad that it will probably never be unearthed - and would probably be a vandalized mess if it were.

There aren't nearly enough haunted houses anymore to start ghost/freakout stories for today's youth :)

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: wnrsm ()
Date: June 26, 2011 11:30PM

K.Fernandes Wrote:
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> I started going to Crypts in 68 was turned on to
> it by friend,it was all intack then the big iron
> gates where chained and to get into the tomb we
> has to go down a rope tied off at top easy down
> but hard to get out.There where no remains in
> there at this time you could use mirrow and flash
> light to look in the big tomes in back right and
> left they had put blocks into keep lid open for
> some reason,they where empty inside.you could look
> down vents and see inside tomb at that time.there
> was know damage to outside or tomb at this time
> although later they tryed to fill in tome with
> bunch of dirt and block but you could still get in
> by climing over top.there was a back part but was
> blocked up.Spent many nights there Kd out was a
> really kool place to go.I even have one of the 5
> point stars w/twisted circle attched to it almost
> like a door knocker have had it sence 68.I lived
> and grew up in Falls Church till 75 then moved
> sure has changed there.so can any one tell me is
> the place still there or covered up now?Just
> thought I would give my experince with The Crypts
> for others who are intersted in that kool
> place.Later....

It is all covered in the previous five pages of posts - definitely worth reading.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: K.Fernandes ()
Date: June 28, 2011 01:15PM

I just wonder how many of the people who chat on here really saw the Crypt befor it was vandalized? When I first went it was not to bad just lots of beer cans and glass,Remey and his wife where still conplet the door to tomb where still up again we had to go down a rope to get into crypt.The walls where all up we use to walk all the way around the top from tomb back .Those walls where at least 20 feet high on far end and most of the time we where stoned man to think of this what if we fell off!!!!It was the koolest placeI have ever been and it a shame it wasnt preserved for history.I really enjoy reading everones in put it brings back good mems.Im just glad I was able to see it befor it got really trashed.I have some pics Im trying to find when I went there because they show the intackness also the back wall befor it was blocked up,if I find ill post.Later......

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Demetrios T ()
Date: July 01, 2011 03:04PM

Spelunker, see my post, I am all for getting down in there! Like I said, I will take the hit and pay my fine/court costs resulting IF I get arrested!

WNSRN, see my post, again, if they build a road there, they will HAVE to dig it up. Hopefully Brody is able to find out if there will be any construction forthcoming. and secondly, it might not all be a vandalized mess. Remember, they cinderblocked up the back part of it early on.

K Fernandes, even if you cant find any pictures, can you take some of your "door knocker" for us?

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Spacy ()
Date: July 01, 2011 05:01PM

Demetrios T Wrote:
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> Spelunker, see my post, I am all for getting down
> in there! Like I said, I will take the hit and pay
> my fine/court costs resulting IF I get arrested!

Probably these are the relevant statutes, so you could be looking at multiple charges -- Class 1, Class 3, and Class 4 misdemeanors:

§ 18.2-119
§ 18.2-120
§ 18.2-121
§ 18.2-125
§ 18.2-127
§ 18.2-128
§ 18.2-137

I don't know much about criminal law or how sentences get added up, but for a single Class 1 charge, one count, you would be facing 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. If they got you on all of them, it would be several years and around $8,000.

There might be other criminal charges I haven't considered. I'm not any kind of expert on this.

Any vehicles and property you bring to the site will probably be lost.

There could also be civil actions, such as having to pay construction crews to restore the grounds to the condition they say they were in, and conduct safety inspections, etc., before you started your little projects.

Also, be sure to save up your nickels for paying your lawyer and stuff!

Have fun!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/01/2011 05:04PM by Spacy.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: LifeNoob ()
Date: July 02, 2011 10:35AM

Hey all, I just spent the last 2 hours reading through a significant part of this thread. Let me first of all just say that as an 18-year old recent high school graduate, the stories that the 40-somethings have told about the parties they used to have down there are insane! I cannot tell you how pissed I am that my friends and I never had a similar place to hang out at.

Anyway, I have a couple of practical points to raise:

1) Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?

2) If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station.

3) I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb.

4) This may sound somewhat Indiana-Jones-Fan-Boyish, but has anyone considered that there may have been "secret" areas within the crypt? Remey sounds like kind of a shady guy, so it seems probable that artifacts/information/etc. could easily just be hidden away within unknown chambers that have yet to be discovered.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: July 02, 2011 01:18PM

WASHINGTON DC JULY 2nd |

RE: LifeNoob's Questions & Practical Points

Dear Mr. Noob,

You asked: "Has anybody tried contacting "Stumpy?" What about investigating to see if there are any leads at his old property?"

The answer is that "Stumpy" was an urban legend in his own right- he didn't bear any resemblance in fact to the characteristics attributed to his personage in the many "Tales From The Crypt" that I have been documenting. He actually was the Sexton of the Pohick Church & its Glebe and was married. His residence was a home provided for him and his family as a part of his employment agreement with the parish.

You also stated: "If police reports about vandalism were filed, surely there would have to have been some official, high quality photographs taken of the damage done to the crypt before it was demolished--especially if it was truly a former Pagan hang-out. I would be surprised if numerous photos of the entrance-area and first floor (where it sounds like most of the partying and vandalism took place) are not simply on file at some Fairfax County police station."

There are numerous reports that were filed with the then Groveton substation of the Fairfax County Police Department which have now been archived. Sadly, not digitised as of this writing.

For a young person like yourself whom has seen art & life imitating each other vis a vis CSI Miami/New York, and of course shows like COPS et cetera, it is quite difficult to imagine that any official investigation wouldn't be replete with out photographic forensic evidence. Sadly however, such is not the case. Principly because of the costs involved 30 plus years ago coupled with administrative prioritising of severity of criminal cases. For example, murders, bank robberies, and serious vehicular incidents. As you can imagine, the Remeum didn't qualify in particular as it was regarded as "abandoned" in light of the U. S. District Court case in 1968 after which the vast majority of the acts of wanton vandalism occurred.

You then asked: "I may have missed it as I was skimming through the thread, but has anybody established the purpose/nature of the vents that are located near the site? I know there are various members of this thread who have gone out there to take photos and whatnot, so I'm sure someone would have discovered the depth of the shafts and the amount of access they give to the various levels of the tomb. "

The architectural blueprints used in the Remeum's construction, which are now in the hands of a major New York City architectural firm being studied and digitised for archival purposes, show that the vents were part of the air movement design.

As was pointed out earlier, human remains in decomposition give off natural occurring gasses and as such, Remey designed a series of air vents, mechanical fans, and air runways to remove said gasses along with keeping the crypts free from mold, and general air circulation.

The shafts are more or less "chimneys" which do not directly access the Remeum on a room by room basis.

Your last point young man touches on a truth that has surfaced on the research and history of Mason Remey. The direct answer is yes, there are. However, not secret so much as "hidden in plain site."

The Remeum itself is much larger than the majority of the adolescents and young adults who partied there realised at the time, credit being due Admiral Wadleigh for sealing off further access to the complex when he had the final family remains removed and reinterred.

I hope this answers your questions.

Sincerely,


Brody Levesque
BL Freelance News Service LLC
Washington DC
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com

http://chasinglosthistory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: K.Fernandes ()
Date: July 02, 2011 08:10PM

Hey Im saying I know all about this place but Im almost 60 born raized and all through school in Falls Church I webt to Crypt at least 40 times from 67 to 74 and saw it almost perfect to half demplished.The back wall was open at one time and there was more stone caskets also it steped down to lower level but had a iron gate lock very well we got chased off one night by 2 guys with shot guns and told next time they would shoot first never saw them again.As for Pagan hang out yes it was!I was turned on by one of them to Crypt.They where the first to start the trend going there I belive.The air vents did vent to keep mold and bad air in the tomp one could be seen in roof in back with greating on it.That place is very old and Im sure there is other old school people who could teel real stories,I just tell what I know and my times there which where almost every Sat. night because the place was so kool.I live in Tx.now and never heard or seen anything like Crypt.Look at VA.there is so much kool old history there hope this helps clear up some things about Crypts..Later...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: July 06, 2011 12:52AM

WASHINGTON DC

JULY 6th, 2011

Dear Folks,

I have finally received an answer from the Fairfax County Office of Planning & Zoning which essentially stated that at this time, no construction permits have been issued for the property, read: acreage, where the Remeum lies buried.

I have inquired (on another topic) to see if that portion of the Glebe of the Pohick Parish has been listed for sale. I will keep you folks advised once I receive a verified answer.

I'd also ask that the poster known as "K.Fernandes," please communicate with me at the phone or e-mail address below as I'd like to interview him regarding his recollections of his adventures and his 'Tales from The Crypt.'

Best regards,


Brody Levesque
202 556 0877
theroadtraveler@gmail.com



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 06, 2011 11:43AM

I'd like to recommend that the poster K. Fernandes please proof read their posts. In some of them I can't even tell what you're talking about. Its "cool" not "kool" and please use punctuation, at 60 years old you should feel ashamed that you write like a third grader.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Cryptkeeper ()
Date: July 06, 2011 09:26PM

Come on BB*X, don't be an ass.....if you can't tell what he's talking about, maybe you should be ashamed that you read (and bully) like a third grader.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Demetrios T ()
Date: July 07, 2011 03:29AM

K Fernandes, did you go to Saint Anthonys or JEB Stuart? Or both? Also did you have relatives that went to either, my brother Rodion and I might know them. Please also take us a picture of that memento you have.

Spacy, thanks for the heads up. I still woudl try my luck, I have lawyers who will work pro-bono for me and whoever else would make an attempt. he money is a bit steep, and possibly the time, but maybe they wouldn't get us for all of them, especially if there were enough of us? I wouldn't do it by myself, but say there were seven or eight of us, they might punish us less? I don't know why I feel this way but I do.

Finally, Brody, you really need to be commended for what you have been doing. There will, I am sure, one day be a historical book, a documentary, or even a fictional novel set partway at the location. Could you imagine if national Treasure 3 or a similar movie incorporated it? I think, Brody, you have on your hands the makings of soemthing great and I wish you the absolute best of success. You are without a doubt the official historian of the crypt at this point. This is a fascinating story that keeps growing and any way I can help or volunteer, I will offer any way I can. For example, I know someone very well that is a govt engineer and used to be a surveyor, and I think there might be a possibility of "borrowing" and having him do a survey with a device that lets you "see" underground like a depth finder. We WILL discover the crypts secrets!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: K.Fernandes ()
Date: July 07, 2011 01:58PM

My susgestion is dont read my post ASS HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the crypts or even been in them hell I was in them when u where still craping yellow....U dont know me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my times there no hear so crap from a snot nose punk...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: W.Fernandes ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:00PM

Thanks man some people r just like that he dosnt even know kool is old school.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: W.Fernandes ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:03PM

Hey I went to George C. Marshall befor that was Longfellow so you wouldnt of know me also that was 68.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:29PM

You're wrong I have actually been to the crypts, years before this thread started. I also never craped yellow, maybe crapped yellow but never craped.

Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read through run on sentences that I have to re-read to get what you're trying to say because you jam five ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads horribly.

Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the crypts or even been in them hell I was in them when u where still craping yellow....U dont know me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my times there no hear so crap from a snot nose punk..."

What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know nothing of the crypts and have never been in them. Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I post to tell people of my times there not to hear some crap from a snot nose punk.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:34PM

I forgot to answer your question, I'm in my early 30's. Now answer one for me, do you feel ashamed of your communication skills seeing as how you are so much older than me and should be wiser and more experienced? I mean after all I was crapping yellow when you were graduating high school.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Steve S ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:41PM

BB*X

I think we are all here to coordinate and accumulate data about the Remeum. Research involves a lot of time and energy. I understand that some posts are hard to read, but reading through your grammar and spelling rants are also a waste of time. Let it go and let's continue to find more information and pictures of the Remeum to add to this thread. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with this post...

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 07, 2011 02:55PM

I was just trying to point out that some of those posts are very cumbersome to read and maybe some attention to detail would help. Not all of us type like high school kids texting each other. If you are going to take the time to tell us about your experiences you could at least take the time to make sure the post is understandable. I guess I should apologize for calling K.Fernandes or W.Fernandes a third grader, that gives third graders a.....I'll just let it go like you said.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Cryptkeeper ()
Date: July 07, 2011 04:34PM

BB*X Wrote:
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> You're wrong I have actually been to the crypts,
> years before this thread started. I also never
> craped yellow, maybe crapped yellow but never
> craped.
>
> Either way I wasn't trying to be a dick or an
> ASSHOLE. I was just tired of trying to read
> through run on sentences that I have to re-read to
> get what you're trying to say because you jam five
> ideas into one sentence with no commas so it reads
> horribly.
>
> Example: "My susgestion is dont read my post ASS
> HOLE how old r u? u probable know nothing of the
> crypts or even been in them hell I was in them
> when u where still craping yellow....U dont know
> me so dont judge me I post he to tell people of my
> times there no hear so crap from a snot nose
> punk..."
>
> What it should say: My susgestion is don't read my
> post ASSHOLE. How old are you? You probably know
> nothing of the crypts and have never been in them.
> Hell, I was in them when you where still crapping
> yellow. You don't know me so don't judge me, I
> post to tell people of my times there not to hear
> some crap from a snot nose punk.


BB*X, let's see......You are in your early 30's (I’ll use 35). That would put your birth year in around 1976. The crypts were covered in 1983....hummmm.....you went to the crypts when you were 7 years old?? Wow, we have always known that you have superior intellect, we couldn't have guessed that you were a seven year old Archeologist (or Pirate, Firearms Expert, Lawyer, Non-Starbucks patron, or whatever-the-fuck else you think you are)….you must be very proud of yourself!! Oh wait…It becomes clear from reading any of your posts (search for his posts!) that you are, indeed, very proud of your (little) self. SHUT THE FUCK UP BB*X!!!

On a separate note to the rest of the forum: Sorry for rant…I never posted anything to FFU until yesterday, but I just don’t like BB*X’s posts…..I assure you that I don’t know him personally, and I’m sure he’s a super guy in person…..well…. maybe I don’t really think he is…..look at his posts(really….look!)

Oh BB*X….shut the Fuck Up……….You are a know-it-all punk, that has something stupid to say about virtually everything…..
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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Understand ()
Date: July 07, 2011 05:22PM

I can kinda empathize with BB*X, it really is difficult to understand dogshit posts like that. You think to yourself, "well, I'll just skip this unintelligible crap", but then you think, "well, maybe this person has something interesting to say despite being barely literate, so I'll read on". I gave up when it became apparent there actually wasn't anything of value in there.

I agree with Steve S. though, it is pointless to complain about someone's grammar/writing. No one is going to reply with "oh ok, my humble apologies, I'll try harder next time".

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: July 07, 2011 05:56PM

I hate the chat-speak too but it's a losing battle to continue to fight it.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Brody Levesque ()
Date: July 07, 2011 07:43PM

WASHINGTON DC

JULY 7th, 2011

Dear Folks,

Before the comments descend into a morass of numbing insults without genuine merit or even purpose, I am going to weigh in with a few thoughts that I really would like all of you to consider.

When I first commenced my profession as a journalist with UPI nearly 31 years ago, the very first thing that my colleagues, my mentor, and even editors taught me was this simple truth: "Everyone has a story."

The critical component to being a good journalist and in fact a writer, is the ability to listen. For a moment consider that truth; "Everyone has a story," which means that in order to be able to obtain and write about those stories, one must listen, and in some cases maybe yes, the person telling the tale may not be able to faithfully articulate their story to the degree which others may be comfortable with, nonetheless, the value is in the story itself, its facts, and not its presentation necessarily.

I have conducted numerous interviews where extracting the particulars was quite painful due to a lack of formal education on the part of the subject person. But, the value was not and would never be diminished because of this pertinent factor- the person telling it was still very much a human being with feelings as a sentient creature.

I've never forgotten that lesson, never. "Everyone has a story." Sometimes, it is the duty and obligation of the reader as well as the writer, or in my case, as a professional writer, to be able to interpret the story, extrapolating the details into a cohesive tale so that others may benefit from that shared experience or history.

Just a thought folks.

Warmest Regards,


Brody Levesque



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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 08, 2011 10:29AM

"BB*X, let's see......You are in your early 30's (I’ll use 35). That would put your birth year in around 1976. The crypts were covered in 1983....hummmm.....you went to the crypts when you were 7 years old??"

There is a difference between went to and went inside. I have been to the crypts and I have dug around trying to find a way in. I started going years ago, probably around 95 when I first heard about them from my friends older sister and brother. I had forgotten all about the site until about two years ago and I started going back out there to see if I could find a way in, I was really hoping that after all the years someone would have knocked the top off one of the air vents and there would be a way to see inside but that was not the case.

I'm not sure what you find stupid about my firearms knowledge, I don't believe I have provided any false info in any of my posts on that subject but if you can find one and point it out I'll gladly admit to my mistake. I have also never claimed to be a lawyer, pirate or archeologist, but I am most certainly not a Starbucks patron.

Now back to K or W Fernandes, I probably should have phrased my complaint in a more mature manner but after reading five rambling posts where the author goes from one idea to the next all in one big long sentence I was irritated and reverted to third grade behavior by calling someone a third grader.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: K.Fernandes ()
Date: July 08, 2011 11:05AM

I have never heard so much crap over some one telling there good times!!!! And no I am not ashamed of any thing I have writen here !!! I will not lower myself to your level by going on with this.If you are in your 30s you could of never seen or took in the awa of the crypts.I did many times befor you where even born..I am on this site to give info to help others who could never seen the crypts and some understanding of what it was like.I went there w/Pagan bros and just close friends and each time it was like the 1st time it was always a rush.My sugestion is if you cant read my post get some one older to help you, we lose things as we get older in life which you will learn in time,so sorry to slam you and lets keep this site clean for people to enjoy and learn from.Thanks..

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 08, 2011 11:22AM

I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you should be embarrassed by the content of your post, I was referring to your writing skills when I made that comment. What I was getting at is that there is no break between ideas so it makes it very cumbersome to read when you have to stop and determine where one idea stops and another starts. I do not need someone older to read them for me, I can get what you're saying but it takes some effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you slow down and try to get one idea across before you just snowball into the next one. Seems like everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point forward I will just skip over your posts if I have an issue with them.

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: Cryptkeeper ()
Date: July 08, 2011 02:09PM

BB*X Wrote:
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> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.

This is my last post here....I'll go back to lurking.

BB*X....you did indeed say ashamed... "you should feel ashamed that you write like a third grader".

You also said that Mr. Fernandes was wrong in saying "been in them" and then you went on to say that you went to them instead.....so Mr. Fernandes was correct when he suggested that you have never been in them....by your own admission....he wasn't wrong at all.....maybe you do need a grown-up to read for you???

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X STFI ()
Date: July 08, 2011 02:14PM

BB*X Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was not saying you should be ashamed, I believe
> I used embarrassed though, and I'm not saying you
> should be embarrassed by the content of your post,
> I was referring to your writing skills when I made
> that comment. What I was getting at is that there
> is no break between ideas so it makes it very
> cumbersome to read when you have to stop and
> determine where one idea stops and another starts.
> I do not need someone older to read them for me,
> I can get what you're saying but it takes some
> effort sometimes. All I was asking for, and I
> admit I went about it the wrong way, is that you
> slow down and try to get one idea across before
> you just snowball into the next one. Seems like
> everyone has calmed down a bit and from this point
> forward I will just skip over your posts if I have
> an issue with them.

I think I speak for everyone else, BB*X, shut the fuck up you asshole!!! Nobody cares about your stupid rant so just fuck off already and go start arguments in some other post. People are here to discuss the crypts, not your annoying rambling ass! I would love to just punch you in the face right now, what an asshole!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: FurfaxTownie ()
Date: July 08, 2011 03:05PM

I rather enjoy reading Fernandes posting as they are. It adds a certain rustic element to the whole story. I can imagine him have a face that tells a thousand stories with a 1000yrd stone cold stare. He takes his time slowly typing out his post one key punch at a time or maybe dictating them to his grandson who is writing it out verbatim as the words exit his mouth.

Its a nice change of pace write on Brother!

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Re: Remey Tomb/Crypt
Posted by: BB*X ()
Date: July 08, 2011 03:44PM

CryptKeeper,

I was addressing you when I said there is a difference between going in and going to, you are the one that accused me of going to the crypts when I was seven. I don't recall ever getting into any debate about going in or going to them with K.Fernandes.


BB*X STFI - What does this mean Shut the Fuck Ip? This argument was over but you just had to chime in with your two cents. I don't think K.Fernandes needs any defenders, he seems rather capable of defending himself you cum dumpster. Before you punch me you'd have to remove your fist from being wrist deep in your asshole.

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