The Redskins Superbowl journey begins in t-minus one hour. Get ready boys we're doing it big this year.

I can't wait to play the Cowgirls again. No matter how bad our season is, we always lay a beatdown on them.

GMEN 24 Foreskins 10

The Redskins entire organization is a joke.

Washington's real team is the Capitals now. Three weeks until opening night!

L O L Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Redskins entire organization is a joke.
>
> Washington's real team is the Capitals now. Three
> weeks until opening night!


+1

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

This thread jinxed them.

It jinxed the whole season.

Bastards!

if you....
a)were born and raised in va or dc
b)have no family affiliations with other areas (ex: dad from ny)
c)root against the redskins
...then SCREW YOU. SHOW SOME LOYALTY. Yeah Snyder sucks but is he the team? NO. The coach isn't the team, hell even the players aren't the team. They could put paris fuggin' hilton at qb and they'd still be my team.

I am listening to this debacle on the radio. The Redskins' broadcasts are nothing but three-hour commercials with some football mixed in.

On the plus side, Sam Huff seems less senile than usual.

wow 3rd and 6, why not go from the shotgun there? you know they were gonna bring the house. nice to see dangelo hall earn some of that hefty contract.good d, terrible offense , familiar sounding story.

Redskins, making coal out of diamonds since 1993.

i'm the second hog post, didn't mean to copy the Redskin brother above me haha

I refuse to support the redskins. Why? They sue fans for not being able to afford season tickets, and then they sell those tickets to scalpers. I refuse to give the Skins any of my cash, the trip up to Baltimore is one that i'm willing to make to be at a football game.

they should play collins........

Re: The Offical 2009 Redskins Thread
Posted by: Hog ()
Date: September 13, 2009 05:51PM


if you....
a)were born and raised in va or dc
b)have no family affiliations with other areas (ex: dad from ny)
c)root against the redskins
...then SCREW YOU. SHOW SOME LOYALTY. Yeah Snyder sucks but is he the team? NO. The coach isn't the team, hell even the players aren't the team. They could put paris fuggin' hilton at qb and they'd still be my team.



So by that reasoning we should show loalty to Obama

---------------------------------------------------
W.W.S.D. what would Scooby Doo

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> they should play collins........

I've been a Campbell booster, but I think I have to agree that he isn't the solution. That sack/fumble he took when Clinton Portis was standing in the open in front of him really did it for me. Who the fuck was he looking for? He had a guy right in front of him that would have been at the yardage he needed. That, and doing the audible out of a pass into an off-tackle run when he saw a run blitz package. WTF wouldn't he dump it off to Moss or Kelly???

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> they should play collins........

It doesn't matter who they have at quarterback, the only game they'll play well is grab-ass.

Most of the best QB's in the NFL are naturally good at it and have built in QB qualities. Zorn is convinced he can take someone with no talent at QB and train him to be good. It ain't gonna happen.

I'm also confused at why the redskins draft a great and naturally talented defensive end (Orakpo), and try to turn him into a linebacker (which he's never played before). Why not draft a linebacker to play linebacker. This is yet another waste of talent and poor player management.

Sooooo, the question begs, how long till Shanahan takes over? If the Skins lose 4 of their first 5 games, it's curtains for Zorn and Campbell.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2009 08:04PM by Numbers.

The grand standing displayed by the skins after they make one of their seldom good plays is just ridiculous. Shut the fuck up, stop gesturing, win the game, and then you can celebrate.

+2

Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Sooooo, the question begs, how long till Shanahan
> takes over? If the Skins lose 4 of their first 5
> games, it's curtains for Zorn and Campbell.


That's the entire problem right there. Snyder constantly forces complete coaching changes every few years, even though Gibbs had us making the Playoffs for most of his comeback tenure, that still wasn't good enough for Snyde Boy. They'll never be able to build a Super Bowl franchise again at that rate.

ThePackLeader Wrote:

> That's the entire problem right there. Snyder
> constantly forces complete coaching changes every
> few years, even though Gibbs had us making the
> Playoffs for most of his comeback tenure, that
> still wasn't good enough for Snyde Boy. They'll
> never be able to build a Super Bowl franchise
> again at that rate.


The reason he does shit like that is because he's an impatient egomaniac. Do you honestly think that if Snyder hires somebody like Cowher, Shanahan, or even a Bill Parcells, that he's willing to go the long haul with one of those guys? Does Snyder have it in him to have a coach for more than 5 years, through good seasons, great seasons and shitty seasons? Cowher won ONE superbowl in all of his years w/ the Steelers. Shanahan won two, both at the beginning of his tenure. Even Parcells has only won two Superbowls.

My point is that it's clear that even the best coaches can only win so much and Snyder is the type that wants to win it all every year. Which is odd because his constant meddling and impatience only gets him NOTHING every year.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2009 07:48AM by Warhawk.

Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Most of the best QB's in the NFL are naturally
> good at it and have built in QB qualities. Zorn is
> convinced he can take someone with no talent at QB
> and train him to be good. It ain't gonna happen.
>
Id argue that Theisman was a pretty decent (but not great) quarterback. But when you have an offensive line that can literally give you 8 seconds to look for an open route, you're going to gain yardage.

I think Zorn is doing the best with what he has.

There was a reason the Redskins sought Mark Sanchez so urgently. They had doubts about Campbell (a good guy that seems to be in the back-up category of talent).

Which is of course the problem with Snyder and Cerrato. If you advertise you are looking for Sanchez or another top flight quarterback, you better darn get one. Otherwise it does no favors for Campbell.

I concur Snyder is not patient; he also does not give enough deference to his players and coaches - good players, above all else, make a difference - not his arbitrary penchant to spend money and certainly not his style of management.

The lack of patience has also led to a trend of the year approach in terms of coaching. There is in my view one way to consistently win in the Redskins division - run the ball and play good defense. And this means investing in the offensive line year after year. Even a great defense can be made to look mediocre if they are on the field all too often (why the Spurrier years were a joke). I see none of this in place right now.

ITRADE Wrote:

> But when you have an
> offensive line that can literally give you 8
> seconds to look for an open route, you're going to
> gain yardage.


+1 See "Rypien, Mark, 1991-1992".

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Warhawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ThePackLeader Wrote:
>
> > That's the entire problem right there. Snyder
> > constantly forces complete coaching changes
> every
> > few years, even though Gibbs had us making the
> > Playoffs for most of his comeback tenure, that
> > still wasn't good enough for Snyde Boy. They'll
> > never be able to build a Super Bowl franchise
> > again at that rate.
>
>
> The reason he does shit like that is because he's
> an impatient egomaniac. Do you honestly think
> that if Snyder hires somebody like Cowher,
> Shanahan, or even a Bill Parcells, that he's
> willing to go the long haul with one of those
> guys? Does Snyder have it in him to have a coach
> for more than 5 years, through good seasons, great
> seasons and shitty seasons? Cowher won ONE
> superbowl in all of his years w/ the Steelers.
> Shanahan won two, both at the beginning of his
> tenure. Even Parcells has only won two
> Superbowls.
>
> My point is that it's clear that even the best
> coaches can only win so much and Snyder is the
> type that wants to win it all every year. Which
> is odd because his constant meddling and
> impatience only gets him NOTHING every year.

I honestly doubt that Cowher, Shanahan, or Parcells would ever want to come coach for the Redskins for just that reason. It's no secret that the ownership here is a joke, so why even set yourself up for that? Unless Snyder's willing to pony up tens of millions per season so that they can simply milk the paycheck, there's no good reason to come coach here.

Of course, if anyone's willing to pony up big bucks for a big name, it's Snyder. And if there's any city willing to buy into hype, it's Washington DC. Perhaps the two really are made for each other.

ITRADE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Id argue that Theisman was a pretty decent (but
> not great) quarterback. But when you have an
> offensive line that can literally give you 8
> seconds to look for an open route, you're going to
> gain yardage.


What!?
Theisman won the Heisman trophy in college! He was a great QB! The reason it took him a while to start was because the skins had Kilmer and Jurgenson already in place. And even if he did have to learn a bit more, he had Jurgenson to teach him.

Campbell will NEVER be anything more than a backup/jouneyman. He doesn't possess the natural skill sets or the mental capacity to be anything else.

Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Id argue that Theisman was a pretty decent (but
> > not great) quarterback. But when you have an
> > offensive line that can literally give you 8
> > seconds to look for an open route, you're going
> to
> > gain yardage.
>
>
> What!?
> Theisman won the Heisman trophy in college! He was
> a great QB! The reason it took him a while to
> start was because the skins had Kilmer and
> Jurgenson already in place. And even if he did
> have to learn a bit more, he had Jurgenson to
> teach him.
>
> Campbell will NEVER be anything more than a
> backup/jouneyman. He doesn't possess the natural
> skill sets or the mental capacity to be anything
> else.


Theismann did not win the Heisman Trophy. Jim Plunkett did.

That said, if Theismann hadn't squandered part of his career in Canada, which caused him to be a 3rd-stringer when he entered the NFL, he probably would have had a Hall of Fame career.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

zorn? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think Zorn is doing the best with what he has.
>
>

All of the front office and ownership issues aside, Jim Zorn is too nice a guy to be a success as an NFL head coach.

There are certain occupations where you need to be an asshole to be successful. Drill sergeant for one. Divorce attorney for another. And NFL head coach.

Norv Turner and Wade Philips suck as NFL head coaches because they are not pricks. Bill Parcels and Bill Belichick are Hall of Fame coaches because they are Grade-A assholes.

Zorn probably was in his zone as a QB position coach. I'm not even sure he would be that good as an offensive coordinator, to tell you the truth.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Win or Lose, the players get the same amount of money (usually) unless there are big bonus conditions in their contract.

Anyway, Get rid of anyone who doesn't hustle. The Giants were running 100% all the time while the deadskins wern't.

It's a joke.

Go Caps!

ramsey, ramsey, ramsey

next quarter

brunell, brunell, brunell

next series after brunell sucks it

ramsey,ramsey, ramsey

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> All of the front office and ownership issues
> aside, Jim Zorn is too nice a guy to be a success
> as an NFL head coach.
>
> There are certain occupations where you need to be
> an asshole to be successful. Drill sergeant for
> one. Divorce attorney for another. And NFL head
> coach.
>
> Norv Turner and Wade Philips suck as NFL head
> coaches because they are not pricks. Bill Parcels
> and Bill Belichick are Hall of Fame coaches
> because they are Grade-A assholes.
>
> Zorn probably was in his zone as a QB position
> coach. I'm not even sure he would be that good as
> an offensive coordinator, to tell you the truth.

I don't think you have to be an asshole. It's more accurate to say you have to have a very strong personality, but not necessarily be an asshole. There's been some fantastic coaches that weren't assholes.

Yesterday I was pretty infuriated. They looked horrible on Sunday. No fire. Stupid mistakes. Penalties. Poor tackling. However, for as poorly as they played, they were still in it and could have won the game.

The line pass protected better than I thought they would and they stopped the run for the most part. Everyone predicted the Skins would lose and they were right, but they aren't that bad, just getting off to a slow start like last year. We'll get on a roll and surprise some people. I can't wait until the Giants come to FedEx, payback is a bitch.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yesterday I was pretty infuriated. They looked
> horrible on Sunday. No fire. Stupid mistakes.
> Penalties. Poor tackling. However, for as poorly
> as they played, they were still in it and could
> have won the game.
>
> The line pass protected better than I thought they
> would and they stopped the run for the most part.
> Everyone predicted the Skins would lose and they
> were right, but they aren't that bad, just getting
> off to a slow start like last year. We'll get on a
> roll and surprise some people. I can't wait until
> the Giants come to FedEx, payback is a bitch.

You know, after watching the Bills game last night, I came to realize that we don't have it all that bad. After all, the Redskins generally show by halftime that there's no chance of victory. The Bills, on the other hand, appear to be the kings of building up the hopes of the fans, only to crush them under a massive choke storm in the last few minutes of the game.

Yeah, how the Bills lost that game is beyond me. Massively bad coaching decisions.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

fairfaxdude Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, how the Bills lost that game is beyond me.
> Massively bad coaching decisions.


It all came down to the stupid decision by the kick returner to take it out of the end zone. If the idiot had taken a knee, the Bills would have been able to run the clock out and/or put the ball far enough down the field to make it more difficult for Brady to score a TD.

That said, Dick Jauron is a sucky head coach. In a 10-year head coaching career he had one...ONE...winning season.

Anyone who hires Dick Jauron thinking he's taking their team to the Super Bowl is an idiot.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

"I can't wait until the Giants come to FedEx, payback is a bitch. "

Yup, should be a huge gate for Danny Jewboy Synder. BTW, Giants will crush them......AGAIN.

496 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "I can't wait until the Giants come to FedEx,
> payback is a bitch. "
>
> Yup, should be a huge gate for Danny Jewboy
> Synder. BTW, Giants will crush them......AGAIN.

What does your hatred of Jews have to do with anything?

The Redskins played poorly and still almost won the game. The Midgets will not be "crushing" anyone in the NFC East this year. Especially with their no name receivers and a half retarded QB. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

The Skins were 2-6 the last eight games of last year. What has really changed on that team since the end of last season that would prevent them from going 2-6 in the next eight games?

I tell you, this team isn't going 9-7, 8-8 or 7-9. This is a 6-10, 5-11 or 4-12 season.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Skins were 2-6 the last eight games of last
> year. What has really changed on that team since
> the end of last season that would prevent them
> from going 2-6 in the next eight games?
>
> I tell you, this team isn't going 9-7, 8-8 or 7-9.
> This is a 6-10, 5-11 or 4-12 season.

Do you even follow the Redskins? What has changed? Seriously? If you need to ask this question I can see why you would think they will have a losing year, because you don't really follow the team or know what you're talking about.

For starters...

- Second year in the system (JC had previously had a new OC every year)
- A little thing called the draft and the 53 man roster
- A guy named Albert Haynesworth
- The schedule and the other teams in the division



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2009 04:55PM by More Complete.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Do you even follow the Redskins? What has changed?
> Seriously? If you need to ask this question I can
> see why you would think they will have a losing
> year, because you don't really follow the team or
> know what you're talking about.
>
> - Second year in the system (JC had previously had
> a new OC every year)


An offense competitors have been able to dissect in the film room and which JC still doesn't seem to know how to run very well.

> - A little thing called the draft and the 53 man
> roster

Who did they pick up in the draft who is so damn good? So far, I have seen Orakpo running around back there. But I haven't seen him doing much. What about the corners? Better yet, what about the receivers? And the O-Line? And the running backs? You know, the things that score fucking points? Have THEY gotten any better? Has Suisham gotten better than the worst scoring percentage in the league?? Hell no.

> - A guy named Albert Haynesworth

He's just like a guy name Brandon Lloyd or a guy named Bruce Smith or a guy named Adam Archuletta. He's got his check and he's going to sit his fat ass on the bench as much as possible.

> - The schedule and the other teams in the division

The problem with the Skins schedule is that the crappy teams they are facing have almost all undergone major coaching and management changes. Remember what the Dolphins and Falcons did last year? Did you see how KC played the Ravens last week? With the exception of the Lions, I wouldn't trust any of the teams on their schedule to roll-over. And the other teams in the division are all better than the Skins. This isn't the NFC West.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> - Second year in the system (JC had previously had
> a new OC every year)
> - A little thing called the draft and the 53 man
> roster
> - A guy named Albert Haynesworth
> - The schedule and the other teams in the division


JC is still not and never will be a franchise qb.

the redskins draft bust wide receivers like theyre doing it on purpose.

Albert Haynesworth is $40 million guaranteed on a bum knee. i give him 8 games this season till he misses 4 or 5

the schedule and division are harder. it will be impossible for them to get anything other than 4th in the division

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> An offense competitors have been able to dissect
> in the film room and which JC still doesn't seem
> to know how to run very well.

You mean like the Patriots and the Steelers in preseason when the Skins were running very basic plays.

> Who did they pick up in the draft who is so damn
> good? So far, I have seen Orakpo running around
> back there. But I haven't seen him doing much.
> What about the corners? Better yet, what about the
> receivers? And the O-Line? And the running backs?
> You know, the things that score fucking points?
> Have THEY gotten any better? Has Suisham gotten
> better than the worst scoring percentage in the
> league?? Hell no.

Portis is starting to lose a step, but he is still a top 10 back. Santana moss offers good speed on the outside and Cooley is a great threat at tight end. The offensive line looks good so far, we'll just have to see how long they last. They got younger with Dockery and replacing Jansen with Heyer. Another factor has been the lack of a serious threat at the #2 receiver spot, but with an elite receiving tight end it seems like that problem is addressed already. Not many teams have a tight end you have to game plan for. Marco Mitchell looked solid as did Kelly all training camp and preseason. Suisham has a new holder, last year he had three different ones. Orakpo is a beast and could be DROY. .

>
> He's just like a guy name Brandon Lloyd or a guy
> named Bruce Smith or a guy named Adam Archuletta.
> He's got his check and he's going to sit his fat
> ass on the bench as much as possible.

Yeah. Just like em huh? We'll see. Or could he be a guy like Marcus Washington, who played well for years or London Fletcher? You're just a hater. You aren't a skins fan are you? Let me guess, you're a Cowboys fan, or a Steelers fan? No wonder. I don't have much time for that, to explain the team I root for to someone who hates the team anyway. What's the point?


> The problem with the Skins schedule is that the
> crappy teams they are facing have almost all
> undergone major coaching and management changes.
> Remember what the Dolphins and Falcons did last
> year? Did you see how KC played the Ravens last
> week? With the exception of the Lions, I wouldn't
> trust any of the teams on their schedule to
> roll-over. And the other teams in the division are
> all better than the Skins. This isn't the NFC
> West.

So the Giants lose their number one and three receivers, number two RB and their DC and they are better? The Eagles lose their DC and defensive leader in Dawkins on D and they're better? I guess the Cowgirls had addition by subtraction as well? The start of the Skins schedule is against weak teams, period. Yeah, a few of them could be surprises, it happens every year but the schedule is easier than last year, period.

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
>
> JC is still not and never will be a franchise qb.

Never said he was. It has been proven time and time again that you do not need one to win in the NFL.

>
> the redskins draft bust wide receivers like theyre
> doing it on purpose.

Yet to be seen. The only one I can think of right now is Taylor Jacobs and that was years ago. Care to elaborate?

>
> Albert Haynesworth is $40 million guaranteed on a
> bum knee. i give him 8 games this season till he
> misses 4 or 5

Great facts you've got there.

> the schedule and division are harder. it will be
> impossible for them to get anything other than 4th
> in the division

Wrong. Schedule is easier. We'll see about the division, see above for my current thoughts on that.

I'm not saying the Skins are going to the Superbowl, it's the toughest division in the NFL. That said, I think they have a chance to be good this year and surprise people. Disagree, fine, just don't come out of the woodwork and pretend like you were rooting for them the whole time if they do well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2009 05:51PM by More Complete.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 496 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I can't wait until the Giants come to FedEx,
> > payback is a bitch. "
> >
> > Yup, should be a huge gate for Danny Jewboy
> > Synder. BTW, Giants will crush them......AGAIN.
>
> What does your hatred of Jews have to do with
> anything?
>
> The Redskins played poorly and still almost won
> the game. The Midgets will not be "crushing"
> anyone in the NFC East this year. Especially with
> their no name receivers and a half retarded QB.
> Sorry to be the one to break it to you.


Hey douchebag. The skins are 0-1, courtesy of the "midgets". The same midgets who let off the gas considerably in the 2nd half. Christ you idiot skins fans are fucking delusional. I hope Danny keeps raping you.

496 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey douchebag. The skins are 0-1, courtesy of the
> "midgets". The same midgets who let off the gas
> considerably in the 2nd half. Christ you idiot
> skins fans are fucking delusional. I hope Danny
> keeps raping you.

Wow musta touched a nerve. Name calling, a true sign of intelligence and maturity. If by let off the gas you mean threw an interception and allowed a long scoring drive and almost lost the game then yeah. Or were you referring to the fact that Jacobs was held to under 50 yards and was basically a non factor? Maybe you meant that the NY only got 1 touchdown and were held to a field goal 3 times. Is that what you meant by letting off the gas? So are you a midgets fan or just a jerk? My guess is both.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2009 10:26PM by More Complete.

Do us all a favor and just take a knee Jason. Can you please just kneel out the 2009 season.

PU Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Do us all a favor and just take a knee Jason. Can
> you please just kneel out the 2009 season.

I think Zorn would do better with another QB but I'm not sure he's on our roster. I think Zorn wants to suit up himself and get out there! ;)

Hog Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> if you....
> a)were born and raised in va or dc
> b)have no family affiliations with other areas
> (ex: dad from ny)
> c)root against the redskins
> ...then SCREW YOU. SHOW SOME LOYALTY. Yeah Snyder
> sucks but is he the team? NO. The coach isn't the
> team, hell even the players aren't the team. They
> could put paris fuggin' hilton at qb and they'd
> still be my team.

Agree 100% and would like to add...

If you qualify for a and b and root for the Cowturds or another NFC East team, you are the worst kind of football fan.. a bandwagon jumping wannabe.

I see these people every year at FedEx. When you ask them what part of Texas they are from they look at you like you're from another planet. When you ask them why they root for the Cowgirls if they have never been to Texas and/or do not know anyone in Texas, they say "just cause". Despicable.

I watched Sunday for most of the first half in earnest. I have to say you could have taken that footage and spliced it into any game over the last decade. Losers.

It wasnt any single mistake or poor play it was an overall issue of will to win. With a few exceptions, the Skins have not had the ability to blow out another team in a game for decades. The majority of their wins over the last decade have been close to very close scores.

Until they get that ability they will be a frustrating team to support. What is the fun in every win being logged in the 'they dogged a bullet' category.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> So the Giants lose their number one and three
> receivers, number two RB and their DC and they are
> better? The Eagles lose their DC and defensive
> leader in Dawkins on D and they're better? I guess
> the Cowgirls had addition by subtraction as well?
> The start of the Skins schedule is against weak
> teams, period. Yeah, a few of them could be
> surprises, it happens every year but the schedule
> is easier than last year, period.


They are better because they were better teams to begin with. Unlike the Skins, the Giants and Eagles use the draft and free agency to build depth to their teams. Danny Boy squanders most of his draft picks to acquire two or three stars. The problem is, what happens when those stars go down? They have some Arena Football guy that was picked up on waivers backing Fat Albert.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> PU Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do us all a favor and just take a knee Jason.
> Can
> > you please just kneel out the 2009 season.
>
> I think Zorn would do better with another QB but
> I'm not sure he's on our roster. I think Zorn
> wants to suit up himself and get out there! ;)

Jim Zorn's QB stats...

TD-INT 111-141
Yards 21,115
QB Rating 77.3


Jason Campbell's...

TD-INT 35-23
Passing yards 7,242
QB Rating 80.4


Even with Zorn having Steve Largent as his top receiver, Campbell has better numbers than Zorn did. Maybe we should have a former QB who knew how to throw more TDs than picks coaching this team.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2009 11:40AM by WashingTone-Locian.

I agree. Zorn never lit up the field with dynamic QB skills.

Really, his claim to fame is being a QB coach for Hasselback.

Campbell is not a horrible QB, but he can never be more than mediocre IMHO.
He simply doesn't have the smarts or natural ability to ever reach elite status or even "manage the game" status.

I heard someone, I think Steve Czaban, talking about how the overwhelming majority of QBs who have won Super Bowls are either in or destined for the Hall of Fame (they noted people like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are exceptions).

It is apparent that Jason Campbell is not going to be a Hall of Famer. At the same time, to be fair, those QBs also played with Hall of Fame linemen, tight ends, running backs and receivers.

This poses the question....Does anyone think that anyone on the Skins offense now is destined for the Hall of Fame?

If he has a long enough career, Cooley could certainly be a possibility. And I guess you could make a case for Portis, though personally at this time I don't think he rates it. But does anyone see Santana Moss or Randel El in the Hall of Fame? I don't.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> They are better because they were better teams to
> begin with.

We swept the Eagles last year. We've won a playoff game more recently than the Cowgirls and split with them last season. The Giants on the other hand seem to have the Skins number as the last time we beat them was in 2007 (when they won the SB) with Collins at the helm. That every other team in the NFC east is better than the Skins is debatable. If you want to believe the sky is falling go ahead, it's too early in the season for me to do that so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Right now I'm of the opinion that the Redskins are a better team this year than they were last year. Call me crazy.

> Unlike the Skins, the Giants and
> Eagles use the draft and free agency to build
> depth to their teams. Danny Boy squanders most of
> his draft picks to acquire two or three stars. The
> problem is, what happens when those stars go down?
> They have some Arena Football guy that was picked
> up on waivers backing Fat Albert.

This is the mantra that gets repeated over and over by casual fans. It may have been true in the past but if you look at the last few years the front office has done a pretty good job in this department as of late. The big spending in free agency has been curtailed and the drafting has been much better. Batiste this year at OL depth for example, big name huh? Justin Tryon, Kevin Barnes and Kareem Moore were drafted for depth at an already strong defensive backfield. Henson at LB, Marco Mitchell at WR, Mason at RB, Edwin Williams at Center. I could go on but I don't think it would matter to you until the Skins start winning and that's okay. Again, are you a Redskins fan? Do you just listen to Lavar and Chad Dukes and regurgitate what little they know over and over? (i.e. Redskins suck, owner sucks, coach sucks, QB sucks, etc)

By the way, Haynesworth's backup is Anthony Montgomery, drafted in the 5th round. You might be thinking of Chris Wilson, who plays LB/DE. Either way, I think they are both solid as is the Redskins Defense as a whole. They were 4th in the league last year remember (which was better than both the Giants and the Cowboys)? If the offense could score some points and get them off the field the defense could be even better this year. Yeah, that's a big "if" given the performance on Sunday but I'm a glass is half full kind of person. Doom and gloom after one game seems premature.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Jim Zorn's QB stats...
>
> TD-INT 111-141
> Yards 21,115
> QB Rating 77.3
>
>
> Jason Campbell's...
>
> TD-INT 35-23
> Passing yards 7,242
> QB Rating 80.4
>
>
> Even with Zorn having Steve Largent as his top
> receiver, Campbell has better numbers than Zorn
> did. Maybe we should have a former QB who knew how
> to throw more TDs than picks coaching this team.

I was joking. I think Zorn's problem right now is his play calling. And if he doesn't fix it he will find himself out of a job. Why keep running to the left over and over on first down when it doesn't work? The Giants were stopping the run and he kept on doing it, even when passing against banged up CBs was working, he kept running. That needs to change. If the run isn't working, and the pass is, then pass! Sheesh.

Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Campbell is not a horrible QB, but he can never be
> more than mediocre IMHO.
> He simply doesn't have the smarts or natural
> ability to ever reach elite status or even "manage
> the game" status.

I think he can make it to "manage the game" status. His QB rating is always good and he hardly every throws INTS. Elite, I don't think so. He's too slow above the shoulders IMHO. That doesn't mean he can't win games with the right supporting case however. See: Trent Dilfer.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> We swept the Eagles last year. We've won a playoff
> game more recently than the Cowgirls and split
> with them last season.

"We?" Excuse me? What position do you play for the Skins?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Numbers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Campbell is not a horrible QB, but he can never
> be
> > more than mediocre IMHO.
> > He simply doesn't have the smarts or natural
> > ability to ever reach elite status or even
> "manage
> > the game" status.
>
> I think he can make it to "manage the game"
> status. His QB rating is always good and he hardly
> every throws INTS. Elite, I don't think so. He's
> too slow above the shoulders IMHO. That doesn't
> mean he can't win games with the right supporting
> case however. See: Trent Dilfer.

The Skins have a QB who can't throw much more than a dozen TDs in a season and a Running Back who can't get the ball in the End Zone from 3rd and Short. Other than that, they have a stellar offense.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This poses the question....Does anyone think that
> anyone on the Skins offense now is destined for
> the Hall of Fame?
>
> If he has a long enough career, Cooley could
> certainly be a possibility. And I guess you could
> make a case for Portis, though personally at this
> time I don't think he rates it. But does anyone
> see Santana Moss or Randel El in the Hall of Fame?
> I don't.

I think you hit the nail on the head with Cooley and Portis. Other than that, who knows. Once you WIN a superbowl, or two, your chances of becoming HOF go up by quite a bit.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Complete Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > We swept the Eagles last year. We've won a
> playoff
> > game more recently than the Cowgirls and split
> > with them last season.
>
> "We?" Excuse me? What position do you play for the
> Skins?

Please man. Now you're just being petty. Care to answer the question? Are you a fan of the team or just a hater?

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> I was joking. I think Zorn's problem right now is
> his play calling. And if he doesn't fix it he will
> find himself out of a job. Why keep running to the
> left over and over on first down when it doesn't
> work? The Giants were stopping the run and he kept
> on doing it, even when passing against banged up
> CBs was working, he kept running. That needs to
> change. If the run isn't working, and the pass is,
> then pass! Sheesh.

Because the Giants are a pass rush team who can put pressure on a QB with their front line (unlike the Redskins) while dropping linebackers and DBs into coverage. You have to try the run sometimes to keep the linebackers and strong safety honest.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Because the Giants are a pass rush team who can
> put pressure on a QB with their front line (unlike
> the Redskins) while dropping linebackers and DBs
> into coverage. You have to try the run sometimes
> to keep the linebackers and strong safety honest.

Agreed but you can pass to set up the run just as easy as you can run to set up the pass. Isn't that what the WCO is all about? It looked like Gibbs was calling the plays out there at times.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Because the Giants are a pass rush team who can
> > put pressure on a QB with their front line
> (unlike
> > the Redskins) while dropping linebackers and
> DBs
> > into coverage. You have to try the run
> sometimes
> > to keep the linebackers and strong safety
> honest.
>
> Agreed but you can pass to set up the run just as
> easy as you can run to set up the pass. Isn't that
> what the WCO is all about? It looked like Gibbs
> was calling the plays out there at times.


Even in the WCO, you have to establish the run at some point. Otherwise the defense can free up the line backers to sit on your receivers' routes in the middle.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Even in the WCO, you have to establish the run at
> some point. Otherwise the defense can free up the
> line backers to sit on your receivers' routes in
> the middle.

Yes but you also have to mix it up a bit so as not to be so predictable. The Skins were so predictable on first-down running plays that Portis ran to the left – behind tackle Chris Samuels and guard Derrick Dockery – eight out of nine times.

As for the passing game on first downs, Campbell completed eight out of 10 attempts for 109 yards and a touchdown. That’s 10.9 yards per completion. So when Campbell was allowed to throw the ball on first downs, he picked apart the Giants defense – especially down the middle of the field (as evident by the abundance of passes to Cooley and Randle El). Why keep running left on the first down when it's getting an average of 2yds a run?

Look at Bill Belicheat... the guy does whatever works until the defense stops it - and then changes it up. I wish we could see Zorn ADJUST during the game once in a while instead of just sticking to his guns and doing the same predictable thing over and over, when it's obvious to everyone but him that it's not working.

Course, then you'd have to worry about Portis bitching that he didn't get enough touches. ;-)

While I think it is good to have Campbell throwing more, I think the fact that Campbell had the ball knocked out of his hand while looking for an open receiver is part of the problem. He can only throw to two receivers so many times before those receivers are going to be covered or the ball is going to be picked.

As for Portis's running style, he blew open a big run at the beginning of the game. It's possible Zorn kept with the run in hopes he could do it again.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2009 02:36PM by WashingTone-Locian.

the redskins have a great defense. they kept them in that game even with the g men starting in redskin territory multiple times and made turnovers to put the offense in a position to score. the offense is just miserable though. you cant put it all on JC, in fact i think the play calling has a lot to do with their suckiness. but then again they may be making such conservative play calls because they have as much faith in their qb as ffu'ers have in boo being a good person.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2009 03:23PM by un-fairfax aboveground.

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the redskins have a great defense. they kept them
> in that game even with the g men starting in
> redskin territory multiple times and made
> turnovers to put the offense in a position to
> score. the offense is just miserable though. you
> cant put it all on JC, in fact i think the play
> calling has a lot to do with their suckiness. but
> then again they may be making such conservative
> play calls because they have as much faith in
> their qb as ffu'ers have in boo being a good
> person.


The Redskins defense is very good, but not "great." A great defense involves a pass rush and corners who can not only intercept the ball, but break up catches. Even Zorn admits that the DBs play too far off of the receivers (a classic Carlos Rogers move). When Carlos Rogers starts getting his hands between the receiver and the ball, then I might change my mind.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

The reason Campbell doesn't have many picks is because he always chooses the safe drop off passes or short to intermediate throws. He is NOT very accurate on most of those throws and the receivers usually have to break stride or come back to the ball. Moss and Cooley have done everything they can to pad Campbells numbers for him.

A QB can't reach "manage the game" status until he is able to read the defense and call the right audible at the line. Zorn knows Campbell is incapable of doing this so he keeps the play in whether it will work or not.

To me, there are 3 classes of QB in the NFL.

*Elite = Brady and (Peyton) Manning. Maybe Drew Brees

*Manage the Game" = Rothlisberger, Warner, Rivers, Edwards, (Eli) Manning, Romo, Rodgers, etc...

*Going Nowhere" = Tavaris Jackson, Mike Vick, Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer, Kyle Ortin, etc....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2009 04:05PM by Numbers.

Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> To me, there are 3 classes of QB in the NFL.
>
> *Elite = Brady and (Peyton) Manning. Maybe Drew
> Brees
>
> *Manage the Game" = Rothlisberger, Warner, Rivers,
> Edwards, (Eli) Manning, Romo, Rodgers, etc...
>
> *Going Nowhere" = Tavaris Jackson, Mike Vick,
> Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer, Kyle Ortin, etc....

I think you should add Romo to that "going nowhere" list. When the Cowboys lose, it is usually do to some boneheaded mistake he has made. I think of Romo as less of a young Favre and more of an old Rex Grossman.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> I think you should add Romo to that "going
> nowhere" list. When the Cowboys lose, it is
> usually do to some boneheaded mistake he has made.
> I think of Romo as less of a young Favre and more
> of an old Rex Grossman.


I could live with that. Romo has his moments, but when he is bad, he's REALLY bad. I wish he and Jessica Simpson would get back together again.

Zorn has 4 weeks or he's gone.

What about the "just doesn't have it anymore" category. I think we can put Delhomme in that one. ;-)

Well despite the team getting booed off the field after a win, I thought there were positive strides. They moved the ball great against the weaker defense, they just couldn't capitalize inside the 10 which needs to be fixed. Today it was poor play calling, fairly good execution by both the offense and defense. ONly thing with the defense is they need to step it up on third downs, but their main problem last year of not forcing turnovers seems to look vastly inproved.

Let's go into Detroit, losers of 19 games in a row,go to 2-1 and take it from there. I'm sure they'll fix a few things this week. I am still very optimistic this team can compete and beat anyone.

I'm not one to go off the deep end, but FIRE ZORN!!! Replace him with Danny Smith. Danny seems as though he has the moxy to lead these baby huey's, and has the street smarts to call game based on eb and flow. Or, at the very least, how to control the clock.

I think Snyder has reached the apex of milking the cash cow known as the Redskins. It looked like there were whole lots of empty seats in the stadium, even on the first concourse. Then of course there was the booing despite a win. No more moral victory's for this team, we've had enough of those. The players were offended by this. They, however don't live the real world like the rest of us. Football is suposed to be entertainment. Brother, no one was entertained by yesterdays performance.

I don't think Snyder should or would fire Zorn because he's got nothing to replace him with. I think it is becoming apparent to any decent NFL coach that, based on the way Snyder treated Gibbs, Greg Williams and Schottenheimer, that Snyder is not a guy you want to work for if you want to be a success as a coach. Maybe Snyder will pick up a desperate guy like Jim Fassel or Dick Jauron (who probably won't be in Buffalo next year). But that will do nothing to change the way this team plays.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

I'm not saying Danny Smith will be our savior, but he can't do any worse then zorn. From watching him on the sidelines and hearing him in interviews, he has that scrapper mentality about him.

To be honest, until this team has to go away for training camp, like it used to. They are forvever going to be a .500 team. I'm not sure when they started keeping things in-house at redskins park. Maybe marty was the last coach to have camp?

Campbell has a slow release and accordingly must lock on receivers too early and often. The so-called West Coast offense only makes these problems more manifest.

Historically the way to win in the NFC East is to play the way the Giants now play - great defense with a bruising running game.

Snyder appears to be attracted to the prospect of a high fireworks offense (witness Spurrier, his premature dis-satisfaction with Schottenheimer, and now Zorn), which statistically just doesn't work.

And Tonelician is right - mediocrity will reign most often because they have not invested wisely in draft picks.

As long as Snyder runs the team, we might as well just copy and past these thread year after year. Because nothing is going to change until people, stop going to games, and stop buying merchandise and thus reduce his revenue. As fans, that is the only thing in our control to change the fate of the franchise.

campbell redux Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Campbell has a slow release and accordingly must
> lock on receivers too early and often. The
> so-called West Coast offense only makes these
> problems more manifest.
>
>

I was watching a replay of Drew Brees in New Orleans. They showed how Brees will stare off a safety to get him to move out of position and then will turn and throw into the gap he just created. Then I see Campbell throw into double-coverage on Moss. I don't know if the O-Line is the problem or if Campbell can't break the habit of looking for an open receiver versus trusting the timing routes, but something isn't working.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

FurfaxTownie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As long as Snyder runs the team, we might as well
> just copy and past these thread year after year.
> Because nothing is going to change until people,
> stop going to games, and stop buying merchandise
> and thus reduce his revenue. As fans, that is the
> only thing in our control to change the fate of
> the franchise.

If the Ravens get to the Super Bowl this year, that should put a major dent in Danny's pocketbook at some point. Better team. Better owner. Better game experience. And probably less hassle to get to from most Maryland suburbs than one-lane Landover.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

The official countdown is on.
So, how many more weeks for Zorn? I say 4.

Zorn has the whole year. Changing a coach mid-season is complete giving up. They have a good football team, lets wait and see.

I don't think Danny Boy will oust Zorn before the end of the season, though I don't see him being back next year. He only did that one time with Norv Turner and that's because he inherited Turner and hated him. Hell, Danny Boy didn't fire Schottenheimer mid-season when he went 0-5 and refused to play Danny's Boy Toy, Jeff George.

Naw. Danny will wait until the end of this season. I don't know if he will get Cowher or Shanahan because those guys want control over personnel and Danny Boy doesn't want to do that. He may go the way of these other teams and promote a young OC from a successful team.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Damn, I couldn't even get free toppings on my Papa John's pizza tonight.

RIpoff Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Damn, I couldn't even get free toppings on my Papa
> John's pizza tonight.


Get used to it.

2010 nfl predictions

1)Carolina-Fox fired/ Cowher hired

2)San Diego-Norv fired/ Shanahan hired

3)Washington-Zorn fired/ Gruden hired

4)Dallas-Phillips fired/ U. Meyer hired

5)Minnesota-Childress fired/ T. Dungee hired

6)Philadelphia-Reid retires/ Holmgren hired

7)Jacksonville-Del Rio FIRED/ Denny Green?

8)Bills-Jauron fired/ Fassel hired

------------------
**Notre Dame-fat boy fired/ Skip Holtz hired

I have yet to hear any rumors of Urban Meyer making the NFL jump and why would we? I can't think of any college coaches who have made the jump successfully.

Nostrodammit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2010 nfl predictions
>
> 1)Carolina-Fox fired/ Cowher hired YES
>
> 2)San Diego-Norv fired/ Shanahan hired YES
>
> 3)Washington-Zorn fired/ Gruden hired No way in Hell Danny Boy would hire someone who will tell him to fuck off on player personnel matters
>
> 4)Dallas-Phillips fired/ U. Meyer hired Can't see Meyer pulling a Saban/Spurrier/Petrino
>
> 5)Minnesota-Childress fired/ T. Dungee hired Childress's fate depends on what happens with Favre. If they make the playoffs, Childress keeps his job. Dungee isn't coming back to coaching, at least at the NFL level
>
> 6)Philadelphia-Reid retires/ Holmgren hired If Reid leaves, it will be because he is fired. Holmgren is done for the foreseeable future.
>
> 7)Jacksonville-Del Rio FIRED/ Denny Green? Denny Green will never be a head coach in the NFL again because of that "Let them off the hook" tirade.
>
> 8)Bills-Jauron fired/ Fassel hired YES. Even though that gig in the UFL must be so sweet
>
> ------------------
> **Notre Dame-fat boy fired/ Skip Holtz hired I hope so

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

FurfaxTownie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have yet to hear any rumors of Urban Meyer
> making the NFL jump and why would we? I can't
> think of any college coaches who have made the
> jump successfully.


Jimmy Johnson? At U. of Miami before going to Cowboys.

-..SBS.- Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FurfaxTownie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have yet to hear any rumors of Urban Meyer
> > making the NFL jump and why would we? I can't
> > think of any college coaches who have made the
> > jump successfully.
>
>
> Jimmy Johnson? At U. of Miami before going to
> Cowboys.


Barry Switzer also won a Super Bowl in Dallas after Johnson left.

You also have Don Coryell, who coached SDSU before going to the Chargers.

Also, lots of head coaches were coordinators and position coaches in college before going to the NFL. These included Mike Holmgren and Vince Lombardi.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

steve k2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well despite the team getting booed off the field
> after a win, I thought there were positive
> strides. They moved the ball great against the
> weaker defense, they just couldn't capitalize
> inside the 10 which needs to be fixed. Today it
> was poor play calling, fairly good execution by
> both the offense and defense. ONly thing with the
> defense is they need to step it up on third downs,
> but their main problem last year of not forcing
> turnovers seems to look vastly inproved.
>
> Let's go into Detroit, losers of 19 games in a
> row,go to 2-1 and take it from there. I'm sure
> they'll fix a few things this week. I am still
> very optimistic this team can compete and beat
> anyone.

Agreed. For all the booing going on the play calling and execution was much better than it was last week (aside from the redzone). As long as I see improvement each week, I'm going to remain optimistic.

More Complete Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
. As long as I
> see improvement each week, I'm going to remain
> optimistic.


17 points scored against the Giants in week 1

9 points scored against the Rams in week 2

That's "improvement?" Sounds to me like they are going the wrong direction.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

I really believe that if they lose to the Lions this week, Snyder will pull the trigger and fire Zorn immediately and get an intermediate coach to take over until someone becomes available.

As far as I can remember, the Skins have NEVER lost to the Lions and the lions losing streak is at 19 straight. This would be a league wide embarrassment and one that Snyder could not take.

The theory being to get the transition started before next season, so next year is not a complete failure due to the coaching change.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 17 points scored against the Giants in week 1
>
> 9 points scored against the Rams in week 2
>
> That's "improvement?" Sounds to me like they are
> going the wrong direction.

Well you've already shown to know next to nothing about the team so this doesn't surpise me. ;)

Go back to listening to Chad and Arrington, I'm sure they will agree with you.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Complete Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> . As long as I
> > see improvement each week, I'm going to remain
> > optimistic.
>
>
> 17 points scored against the Giants in week 1
>
> 9 points scored against the Rams in week 2
>
> That's "improvement?" Sounds to me like they are
> going the wrong direction.


Well, to be fair, holding onto 2 touchdown passes would have drastically altered the argument here.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

fairfaxdude Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well, to be fair, holding onto 2 touchdown passes
> would have drastically altered the argument here.

Not to mention four drives of more than 60 yards with Campbell spreading it around to 8 different receivers and passing for 242 yards while dominating the time of possession. But let's not let facts and statistics get in the way of some good Redskins bashing. ;-)