Anything good or bad to say about using the indoor firing range?

It's dark, dank, and small, but otherwise excellent, well-kept, nothing fancy but does good for what it is.

Please do NOT go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. The owner of BRA voted for Obama. Yes, I know that's hard to believe, but the owner of a gun store actually did vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I know a number of people that have boycotted Blue Ridge because of this. Go to the NRA Headquarters Range in Fairfax. It's a very nice range and it's cheaper to shoot there!

Everyone knows a TRUE gun range is republican-oriented.

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You are an idiot!!!!!!!


DO NOT GO TO BRA! Wrote:
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> Please do NOT go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. The owner
> of BRA voted for Obama. Yes, I know that's hard
> to believe, but the owner of a gun store actually
> did vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I know a
> number of people that have boycotted Blue Ridge
> because of this. Go to the NRA Headquarters Range
> in Fairfax. It's a very nice range and it's
> cheaper to shoot there!

DO NOT GO TO BRA! Wrote:
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> Please do NOT go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. The owner
> of BRA voted for Obama. Yes, I know that's hard
> to believe, but the owner of a gun store actually
> did vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I know a
> number of people that have boycotted Blue Ridge
> because of this. Go to the NRA Headquarters Range
> in Fairfax. It's a very nice range and it's
> cheaper to shoot there!

I'm normally very skeptical of such a claim, but a little Googling has
confirmed what you are saying. Its a shame and due to this incident,
I will NEVER set foot in there again! Here's the interview
where Curtis actually admit voting for Obama. Thanks for bringing this to
light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_jAyM2DD-4

Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
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> DO NOT GO TO BRA! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please do NOT go to Blue Ridge Arsenal. The
> owner
> > of BRA voted for Obama. Yes, I know that's
> hard
> > to believe, but the owner of a gun store
> actually
> > did vote for Barack Hussein Obama. I know a
> > number of people that have boycotted Blue Ridge
> > because of this. Go to the NRA Headquarters
> Range
> > in Fairfax. It's a very nice range and it's
> > cheaper to shoot there!
>
> I'm normally very skeptical of such a claim, but a
> little Googling has
> confirmed what you are saying. Its a shame and due
> to this incident,
> I will NEVER set foot in there again! Here's the
> interview
> where Curtis actually admit voting for Obama.
> Thanks for bringing this to
> light.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_jAyM2DD-4


Thanks for posting the video. Hopefully some people will see this and take their business elsewhere.

Go to Virginia Arms in old Manassas (behind the court house.)

MUCH better prices and selection than Blue Ridge.

A lot of the sales staff are ex-police officers and they know what they are talking about. Most of the people at Blue Ridge are dipshits.

what does it matter who an owner of a business voted for?

Now a reason not to go there could be that I heard they used to buy up all ammo in stock at Walmart and upsell it at the range at a pretty big profit margin. Any one knows anything about that?

notme Wrote:
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> Now a reason not to go there could be that I heard
> they used to buy up all ammo in stock at Walmart
> and upsell it at the range at a pretty big profit
> margin. Any one knows anything about that?

I would be skeptical as they have access to dealer accounts with
major distributors and wholesalers. They may have done so if they
were in a short-term crunch, but it doesnt sound like a normal
business practice for a firearms dealer.

notme Wrote:
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> what does it matter who an owner of a business
> voted for?

What matters is the hypocrisy. Here, you have a dealer who is profiting
from the 2nd Amendment while voting for a candidate who is trying to
ignore and destroy it.

Have you guys seen the markup on firearms lately? Of course a dealer is going to love Obama for what he's done to prices and their bottom line.

Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
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> notme Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what does it matter who an owner of a business
> > voted for?
>
> What matters is the hypocrisy. Here, you have a
> dealer who is profiting
> from the 2nd Amendment while voting for a
> candidate who is trying to
> ignore and destroy it.


Paranoid bigots are funny. Guns aren't going anywhere, you morons are the only ones causing shortages.

The Congressman Wrote:
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> Have you guys seen the markup on firearms lately?
> Of course a dealer is going to love Obama for what
> he's done to prices and their bottom line.

I'd say what's worse is the ammo situation. Dealers are jacking up prices on practically every caliber, it's highway robbery. It's definitely a sellers market for ammo right now. A small percentage of people are hoarding ammo and it's just continuing the vicious cycle.

Hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns are still pretty competitively priced. The only guns that are seeing markups really are ARs and other "assault weapon" styles. When people come to realize the climate isn't ripe for an implementation of the AWB, you're going to see a ton of used ARs with "less than 100 rounds fired" flood the market.

edit by Cary: troll post by banned user removed



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/20/2009 03:57PM by Cary.

Well Wrote:
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> The Congressman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Have you guys seen the markup on firearms
> lately?
> > Of course a dealer is going to love Obama for
> what
> > he's done to prices and their bottom line.
>
> I'd say what's worse is the ammo situation.
> Dealers are jacking up prices on practically every
> caliber, it's highway robbery. It's definitely a
> sellers market for ammo right now. A small
> percentage of people are hoarding ammo and it's
> just continuing the vicious cycle.
>
> Hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns are still
> pretty competitively priced. The only guns that
> are seeing markups really are ARs and other
> "assault weapon" styles. When people come to
> realize the climate isn't ripe for an
> implementation of the AWB, you're going to see a
> ton of used ARs with "less than 100 rounds fired"
> flood the market.

Yes, very true about the ARs, I look forward to the market being flooded again. It's also amazing to see ammoman.com sold out of so many calibers.

Well Wrote:
>. When people come to
> realize the climate isn't ripe for an
> implementation of the AWB, you're going to see a
> ton of used ARs with "less than 100 rounds fired"
> flood the market.

The time will be ripe right after the Nov 2010 elections.

trogdor! Wrote:
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> Well Wrote:
> >. When people come to
> > realize the climate isn't ripe for an
> > implementation of the AWB, you're going to see
> a
> > ton of used ARs with "less than 100 rounds
> fired"
> > flood the market.
>
> The time will be ripe right after the Nov 2010
> elections.

Ripe in Congress or ripe among the general public?

Well, I can only hope average Americans become more educated in what the AWB really is before any attempt to reinstate it. The ban is a joke, it uses flat-out inaccurate terminology and fear mongering to ban weapons who's only differences from other semi-automatic rifles are cosmetic. When a law tells me that a .22 rifle with a pistol grip is inherently more dangerous than a .308 without one, its credibility flies right out the window.

Well Wrote:
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> trogdor! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well Wrote:
> > >. When people come to
> > > realize the climate isn't ripe for an
> > > implementation of the AWB, you're going to
> see
> > a
> > > ton of used ARs with "less than 100 rounds
> > fired"
> > > flood the market.
> >
> > The time will be ripe right after the Nov 2010
> > elections.
>
> Ripe in Congress or ripe among the general public?
>
>
> Well, I can only hope average Americans become
> more educated in what the AWB really is before any
> attempt to reinstate it. The ban is a joke, it
> uses flat-out inaccurate terminology and fear
> mongering to ban weapons who's only differences
> from other semi-automatic rifles are cosmetic.
> When a law tells me that a .22 rifle with a pistol
> grip is inherently more dangerous than a .308
> without one, its credibility flies right out the
> window.


Or a bayonete lug? Have you heard of any "fixed bayonete" crimes
lately? This is just another joke. If a criminal really wanted to
use one, a screw clamp and a butcher knife would serve the same
purpose.

Furfur Wrote:
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> Go to Virginia Arms in old Manassas (behind the
> court house.)
>
> MUCH better prices and selection than Blue Ridge.
>
> A lot of the sales staff are ex-police officers
> and they know what they are talking about. Most of
> the people at Blue Ridge are dipshits.


Virginia Arms does not have a range.

But for purposes of buying yeah that's where I always go. I don't care who the owner voted for, that's his business. I care more about the less-than-stellar attitudes of the staff I ran into there. Maybe things have changed, but their higher prices on top of their 'tudes drove me to find alternatives, and VA Arms has a much better selection, better prices, and respectful staff that wants to help you make the right purchase as opposed to trying to impress you with how much they know about firearms and how much you don't.

Seriously, the BRA guys are a buncha dicks who treat customers as expendable.

+1 Pgens and Reston

BTW ignore that last post with my name; YA created a screenshot and wrote my name over it. He did the same with Gravis's name last night.



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Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
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> Or a bayonete lug? Have you heard of any "fixed
> bayonete" crimes
> lately? This is just another joke. If a criminal
> really wanted to
> use one, a screw clamp and a butcher knife would
> serve the same
> purpose.

I loved it when CNN did that story back in '04 when the ban was about to expire, and they had some podunk sheriff have his guys light up cinderblocks with fully-automatic weapons, while proclaiming that these were the types of guns that were going to flood the streets. CNN played along until Wayne LaPierre called them out on it and they did a correction piece a few days later.

I also recommend VA Arms for purchases, and I also recommend Guns and Ammo Warehouse right down the street. Their in-store selection doesn't seem to be as extensive as VA Arms (especially holsters), but they've been very good to me.

Well Wrote:
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> Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Or a bayonete lug? Have you heard of any "fixed
> > bayonete" crimes
> > lately? This is just another joke. If a
> criminal
> > really wanted to
> > use one, a screw clamp and a butcher knife
> would
> > serve the same
> > purpose.
>
> I loved it when CNN did that story back in '04
> when the ban was about to expire, and they had
> some podunk sheriff have his guys light up
> cinderblocks with fully-automatic weapons, while
> proclaiming that these were the types of guns that
> were going to flood the streets. CNN played along
> until Wayne LaPierre called them out on it and
> they did a correction piece a few days later.
>
> I also recommend VA Arms for purchases, and I also
> recommend Guns and Ammo Warehouse right down the
> street. Their in-store selection doesn't seem to
> be as extensive as VA Arms (especially holsters),
> but they've been very good to me.


Another "news conference" I really enjoyed was when Hillary and Schumer
went on TV and Hill was waving a copy of "Shotgun News" around and saying
"You can actually order guns off the Internet from advertisers in this
magazine." She didnt even realize that SGN is a DEALERS magazine and you
MUST have a dealers license through ATFE to place an order. It was a
deliberate attempt to deceive the non-shooting public through out-right
lies. Typical.

Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
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> Another "news conference" I really enjoyed was
> when Hillary and Schumer
> went on TV and Hill was waving a copy of "Shotgun
> News" around and saying
> "You can actually order guns off the Internet from
> advertisers in this
> magazine." She didnt even realize that SGN is a
> DEALERS magazine and you
> MUST have a dealers license through ATFE to place
> an order. It was a
> deliberate attempt to deceive the non-shooting
> public through out-right
> lies. Typical.

LOL, I don't remember that one, when was it roughly?

How about Dianne Feinstein, the basketcase Senator from CA, who's been so anti-gun her whole career, then it turned out she had a concealed carry permit. Her response was "I was trained in firearms", then at a later press conference while denouncing "assault weapons", she held an AK-47 with her finger on the trigger and muzzle swept people in the room.

Well Wrote:
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> Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Another "news conference" I really enjoyed was
> > when Hillary and Schumer
> > went on TV and Hill was waving a copy of
> "Shotgun
> > News" around and saying
> > "You can actually order guns off the Internet
> from
> > advertisers in this
> > magazine." She didnt even realize that SGN is a
> > DEALERS magazine and you
> > MUST have a dealers license through ATFE to
> place
> > an order. It was a
> > deliberate attempt to deceive the non-shooting
> > public through out-right
> > lies. Typical.
>
> LOL, I don't remember that one, when was it
> roughly?
>
> How about Dianne Feinstein, the basketcase Senator
> from CA, who's been so anti-gun her whole career,
> then it turned out she had a concealed carry
> permit. Her response was "I was trained in
> firearms", then at a later press conference while
> denouncing "assault weapons", she held an AK-47
> with her finger on the trigger and muzzle swept
> people in the room.

It was a couple of years ago but I'll see if I can find it on YouTube
or the Firing Line. Typical Feinstein. She must have gone to firearms
training in Bosnia with Hillary. CCW from Pedro's Print Shop?

I use Blue Ridge most of the time because it's close...but the range isn't that great. They've made some minor improvements, but the air flow sucks (it gets hot and doesn't circulate the gunpowder very well).

Agreed with everyone else, the people that work there for the most part don't know what they're talking about and their prices are inflated.
I buy my guns from Guns and Ammo Warehouse in Manassas (might be Nokesville there) and VA Arms is great for gear and knowledge-base (sometimes good deals on firearms)

Also there's some new place out in Ashburn call Eagle-something-or-other...anyone have comments on that place? They look more expensive but the facility sounds pretty bad-ass

Up2Late Wrote:
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> I use Blue Ridge most of the time because it's
> close...but the range isn't that great. They've
> made some minor improvements, but the air flow
> sucks (it gets hot and doesn't circulate the
> gunpowder very well).
>
> Agreed with everyone else, the people that work
> there for the most part don't know what they're
> talking about and their prices are inflated.
> I buy my guns from Guns and Ammo Warehouse in
> Manassas (might be Nokesville there) and VA Arms
> is great for gear and knowledge-base (sometimes
> good deals on firearms)
>
> Also there's some new place out in Ashburn call
> Eagle-something-or-other...anyone have comments on
> that place? They look more expensive but the
> facility sounds pretty bad-ass

You're thinking of Silver Eagle I believe. I'm pretty sure there's a thread on here about it, from what I've seen it caters to people with money, but if it's close to you it might be worth a look.

I've never been to Blue Ridge, but judging by people's reviews of their staff and prices, I don't think I'll ever give them my business. The owner's blatant support for Obama, while I certainly respect it, is just another reason for me not to rush out there. I'll gladly take myself to VA Arms or Guns and Ammo (which are actually closer for me).

Silver Eagle it is. Just checked out their site (http://www.silvereagle-group.com/)
Seems like it has potential, but yes, a bit pricey. Looks almost like they're looking for "investors" as opposed to clients.
$25/hour for range time isn't too much more than most places though. I think blueridge is $20/hour. Ashburn is a bit of a hike to go put holes in paper for me though. Might be worth a trip just to see...who knows

Thanks for info

Much thanks for the input. I would never have thought the owner was an obama supporter. I respect his right to support whoever he wants but I just dont think I will be spending my money there.

Up2Late Wrote:
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> Silver Eagle it is. Just checked out their site
> (http://www.silvereagle-group.com/)
> Seems like it has potential, but yes, a bit
> pricey. Looks almost like they're looking for
> "investors" as opposed to clients.
> $25/hour for range time isn't too much more than
> most places though. I think blueridge is
> $20/hour. Ashburn is a bit of a hike to go put
> holes in paper for me though. Might be worth a
> trip just to see...who knows
>
> Thanks for info

I worked at another office my company has in Newington for a few months, and I was literally right across the street from Gilbert's. I checked it out once but I regret not going often, as it was as convenient as its probably ever going to get for me. The range is small and dark, but does the job if you're looking for some pistol practice.

I live out in Haymarket right off 66, so I'm torn between driving over to the NRA range or down to Clark Bros. in Warrenton. I still need to check both of them out, I'm relatively new to the area and although I've made a purchase at Guns and Ammo, I haven't put any rounds through it yet.

Clark's is worth the trip if you're interested in outdoor shooting. It's good for pistol and rifle shooting. Haven't been to NRA, but I hear it's a good indoor range.

The ranges are small and dark, yes, but so are the mean streets of Northern Virginia, where danger is a turn away and chaos reigns.

Shadow Wrote:
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> Clark's is worth the trip if you're interested in
> outdoor shooting. It's good for pistol and rifle
> shooting. Haven't been to NRA, but I hear it's a
> good indoor range.

I should have mentioned I normally work about 10min tops from the NRA range as well, so I think it's an inevitability that I'll bring my handgun there one day after work.

But I am interested in outdoor shooting, especially for rifles, and if I'm shooting a rifle I rather shoot it upwards of 50 yards, so one of these weekends I'm going to take a drive over to Clark Bros. I've heard different stories about their policy though. One person told me they only want you shooting their ammo, and somebody else said you can shoot your own but they'd want you to buy at least one box of theirs and keep it with you while you shoot (since the range is apparently free to use).

Well Wrote:
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> Shadow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clark's is worth the trip if you're interested
> in
> > outdoor shooting. It's good for pistol and
> rifle
> > shooting. Haven't been to NRA, but I hear it's
> a
> > good indoor range.
>
> I should have mentioned I normally work about
> 10min tops from the NRA range as well, so I think
> it's an inevitability that I'll bring my handgun
One person told me they only
> want you shooting their ammo, and somebody else
> said you can shoot your own but they'd want you to
> buy at least one box of theirs and keep it with
> you while you shoot (since the range is apparently
> free to use).


I live about 10 minutes from NRA and find it incredibly nice but
expensive. The "automatic target retrieval" feature is nice too.

Clark Bros does require you to use their ammo (although I dont know whats
going on now that ammo is in such short supply) They will let you use
your own ammo if you buy from them too but it might be a good idea to
call them first on that one nowadays. I really enjoyed taking my kids
there when they were young because the Range Officers are extremely
strict about following the rules.

For those of you thinking about Silver Eagle, definitely go check it out.

The place is nice and big, with plenty of space to putz around while looking at gear. They've even got a little snack bar if that's your thing.

Nice classrooms, and the ranges are great. Much better ventilation than BRA. Definitely worth the extra couple bucks and a few more minutes in the car. They're very close to Loudon County Parkway/Waxpool Rd, so it's not too far to get there.

They also offer a range of classes from introductory to expert, both armed and unarmed.

newbie Wrote:
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> Much thanks for the input. I would never have
> thought the owner was an obama supporter. I
> respect his right to support whoever he wants but
> I just dont think I will be spending my money
> there.

If a presidential candidate drove up demand and prices of all the products I sold in MY store, I'd probably be happy with him too!

Regarding NRA range, I believe it is still under renovation. I noticed that Blue Ridge upped their hourly range rate, probably to take advantage of the NRA range temporary closure.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/20/2009 12:42PM by pgens.

No, the NRA range is no longer under renovation. I was just up there last weekend.

And someone in this thread said that the NRA Range is too expensive. Where in the world do you normally shoot? It's $12/hour for the first shooter and $8/hour for each additional shooter. BRA is $20/hour and SEG is $25/hour. The NRA Range is pretty damn cheap if you ask me.

someone said i only shoot rifles 50 yards or above - are you blind or something, shooting a blunderbuster

Trebor Snika Wrote:
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> someone said i only shoot rifles 50 yards or above
> - are you blind or something, shooting a
> blunderbuster


I think the word you are looking for is "blunderbuss." Interesting, this word also can describe a stupid person, example: The troll behind Trevor Snika is a blunderbuss.

to be fair, he might have a point, how much fun is shooting a long at 50 yards

I have a G36C and it only gets fun at 160+ yards

tinfoil Wrote:
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> to be fair, he might have a point, how much fun is
> shooting a long at 50 yards
>
> I have a G36C and it only gets fun at 160+ yards


Sweet; H & K is a little too expensive for me; especially since a Bushmaster can do the same thing for $1k less.

yeah but mine doesnt sound like a sex toy ;-)

only joking

glock Wrote:
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> No, the NRA range is no longer under renovation.
> I was just up there last weekend.
>
> And someone in this thread said that the NRA Range
> is too expensive. Where in the world do you
> normally shoot? It's $12/hour for the first
> shooter and $8/hour for each additional shooter.
> BRA is $20/hour and SEG is $25/hour. The NRA
> Range is pretty damn cheap if you ask me.

According to the site, it's $12/$8 for NRA members. Non-members pay $18/$12. Still not expensive in my book, except maybe your first time when you have to pay $10 for that "exam" they make you take. I'm just making sure any guests I bring have cash on them.

I think its a fair price, and I dont mind paying more especially if these people are the ones standing up for our rights!

I popped in to 'the range in stafford the other day' any views on that

tinfoil Wrote:
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> yeah but mine doesnt sound like a sex toy ;-)
>
> only joking

You own a Heckler & Koch

LOL

rather own a cock than a bushmaster

Anyway, I was looking at a SIG 556 pistol at VA Arms...$1500 for it when a $480 Kel Tec PLR16 can do the same thing. Just the fact a firearm is imported seems to drive the price WAY up.

very true very true, but, for example, a glock 17 almost never has a stoppage, where as a cheaper domestic version might, and if that happens at the wrong moment then 900 bucks will be a very small price to pay

TINFOIL Wrote:
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> very true very true, but, for example, a glock 17
> almost never has a stoppage, where as a cheaper
> domestic version might, and if that happens at the
> wrong moment then 900 bucks will be a very small
> price to pay


Actually Glocks for the American market have most components made over here. That is why they only cost $500-$600 whereas a H & K made in Germany can cost $1k.
The same for FN pistols; they are made in Fredericksburg....

I enjoy plinking with a rifle regardless of the range (50 yards is especially fun for me with a .22), but I was brought up on target shooting with my father's Bushmaster AR-15 and Mini-14 at a default of 100. I don't know how well my groupings would be on anything further though.

I just dropped $900 on a SIG P229 in .40 S&W. I shot a P226 in the Navy and I fell in love with it. When I got back in the loop recently and found out SIG made a more compact version of the P226 I was all over it.

tinfoil Wrote:
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> to be fair, he might have a point, how much fun is
> shooting a long at 50 yards
>
> I have a G36C and it only gets fun at 160+ yards


i'm almost positive that you're referring to a HK SL8-6 that has nee cosmetically changed to look like a G36C, but am willing to let you explain. the 1986 machine gun ban and other import laws would not allow civilian ownership of any post-'86 machine gun. furthermore HK is VERY strict about selling military weapons to civilians.

also where are you shooting @ 160+ yards anywhere around here?

it not a machine gun its an assult rifle, the ban is a load of bollocks, i can buy a 50cal sniper rifle that will go straight through the armoured glass of an apache helicopter, and i sure as hell can buy a G36C

dont shoot it around here though go south my friend

and as a further point, while a ban may ban something, it will never get rid of it.

im actually trying to think of a ban that has actually worked...

first things first, the G36 is a machine gun, not an assault rifle. there are no ifs or buts about it.

so, as i said in my previous post it is an HK SL8 that was converted to look like a G36? And you probably dont have the C version of this conversion, because that would make the rifle an SBR, which would require you to have a tax stamp from the ATFE.

after reading what you've written, there is no way in hell that you are in possession of a actual HK G36 and i'm beginning to even believe you've shot any type of rifle. If you were an FFL you would understand the laws, and if you are a LEO you wouldn't be bragging about having it.

Troll on, tinfoil, troll on!!

BTW i am not your friend.

Full Auto.....let me up front when I say you are fucking stupid, and you are doing a piss poor job of pretending to know what you are talking about.
Just wanted to clear that up.

Tinfoil did not say he had the automatic version; but even a fully-automatic G36 is still an assault rifle, not a machine gun. The G36 is Germany's 5.56 equivalent of the M16 which is an assault rifle, not a machine gun.

The "C" behind the G36 means it is a short barrel version of the full size 36. This makes it a "CARBINE." Carbines, unless fully automatic, are not subject to the ATF. Just the fact it is short barrel does not mean it is restricted by the ATF.

There is a BIG difference between a machine gun and a fully automatic assault rifle. I suggest you use Google to learn the difference.

Again, if you don't know what you are talking about, please SHUT_THE_FUCK_UP.

I'll use the German weapons of WWII as an example:

MP40 = Fully automatic, but still a submachinegun because it fired 9mm rounds

StG 44 = Fully automatic, but still an assault rifle

MG42 = Fully automatic, a machine gun

Well Wrote:
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> I enjoy plinking with a rifle regardless of the
> range (50 yards is especially fun for me with a
> .22), but I was brought up on target shooting with
> my father's Bushmaster AR-15 and Mini-14 at a
> default of 100. I don't know how well my groupings
> would be on anything further though.
>
> I just dropped $900 on a SIG P229 in .40 S&W. I
> shot a P226 in the Navy and I fell in love with
> it. When I got back in the loop recently and found
> out SIG made a more compact version of the P226 I
> was all over it.

229 is a fantastic weapon, I love mine that I bought used. I put crimson trace on it and also bought a .357 sig barrel which I mainly use in it.

Exact same model and caliber the secret service uses so it has got to be good.

How is the recoil on the .357 SIG? I heard it has about the same stopping power as a 40 S&W.

Mofo Wrote:
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> 229 is a fantastic weapon, I love mine that I
> bought used. I put crimson trace on it and also
> bought a .357 sig barrel which I mainly use in it.
>
>
> Exact same model and caliber the secret service
> uses so it has got to be good.

Yeah I eventually plan on picking up a .357 SIG barrel to swap out whenever I'm in the mood for something different, I love having the opportunity to do that. SIGs aren't cheap but they are reliable as hell and for some reason they feel great for me. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have very big hands, one of the reasons why I didn't like the Beretta M9 we were issued was how large it was, and that the safety was all the way up on the slide, forcing me to re-adjust my grip just to put it on and off safe. On the SIG, everything is right there within reach, I love it.

FCPD uses the Sig 226 and 229's...and last year switched to .40 cal
I only mention this because usually on here there's a lot of smack talkin' on the police...figured with all the Sig supporters, someone would've shouted "fuck FFX PD" by now.

I'm a Glock man myself, but also admit I'm far under-educated and experienced compared to most of you guys on here regarding firearms. Just talking 'cause I can.

.40 S&W seems to be a round not doing too bad during this ammo shortage either. Believe it or not Wal Mart in Fair Lakes has been a decent source for me. They sell 100rd boxes of Winchester White Box for $29 and I've seen some 50rd boxes of Blazer Brass for around $13. You have to act quick though, I saw about 30 boxes go in like 3 days. I still need to pick up a box of JHP for the home though, anybody know where I could find some?

Im a glock 17 man myself, outstanding gun, although there is something of the .357 i miss when firing the glock, perhaps it is the fact that when you run out of ammo you can easily bludgeon your opponent to death with it!

Furfur Wrote:
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> Full Auto.....let me up front when I say you are
> fucking stupid, and you are doing a piss poor job
> of pretending to know what you are talking about.
> Just wanted to clear that up.
>
> Tinfoil did not say he had the automatic version;
> but even a fully-automatic G36 is still an assault
> rifle, not a machine gun. The G36 is Germany's
> 5.56 equivalent of the M16 which is an assault
> rifle, not a machine gun.
>
> The "C" behind the G36 means it is a short barrel
> version of the full size 36. This makes it a
> "CARBINE." Carbines, unless fully automatic, are
> not subject to the ATF. Just the fact it is short
> barrel does not mean it is restricted by the ATF.
>
> There is a BIG difference between a machine gun
> and a fully automatic assault rifle. I suggest you
> use Google to learn the difference.
>
> Again, if you don't know what you are talking
> about, please SHUT_THE_FUCK_UP.

HK does not make a civilian version of the G36, unless you are referring to the SL8 which does not look anything like the G36 without major modifications to the stock and forearm. The HK equivalent of the M16 is the HK416 or the civilian version (due for release later this year in the US) the SR556...not the G36.

The G36C has a barrel length of merely 8.98 inches, very much shorter than the 16" minimum required for civilian ownership without a SBR (short barrel rifle) tax stamp from the ATFE.

As far as the ATFE is concerned there are machine guns, which are fully automatic, and there are semi-auto guns; there is no differentiation between machine gun and assault rifle.

The HK416 is the equivalent of the M4. This was developed after western armies were switching to a carbine. The G36 is the equivalent of the M16, which is still used by Germany as its standard assault rifle.

The G36C would be considered a 5.56 pistol, just as the Sig556 or Kel Tec PLR16 is a pistol that fires rifle ammo.


OKthnxgbye

I have 2 G36KE. They are POST DEALER SAMPLES. So yes you can own them. But you have to get your FFL then your SOT. Get a demo letter from a le agency. You get to keep them after the demonstation for as long as you keep paying the 500 every June and stay a SOT. HK had plans on a civi semi G36 but imported more SL8s for whatever reason. I guess to keep out of VPCs crosshairs.

later

[edit on 24-4-2007 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

Actually you can. It all depends on 2 factors.
1. How much do you want to spend?
2. Full-Auto or Semi only.

Many independent gun dealers can find both for you a price. Now before people start yelling “YOU CANT OWN FULLY-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS IN THE US!!!!” you can, all you need is a license from the ATF. IT takes some time and around $500.00 for and the proper forms filled out, and like $150 (?) a year for renewal. Also you need to let the local Sheriff know about what kind of weapons you have. Try the web site Guns America, or check your local independent dealer.


[edit on 30-8-2008 by The_Jackal94]

Here you go:

www.gunbroker.com...

You'll need a Class III permit plus the $4K, but that'll get you pretty close to the real thing.

Awesome tinfoil....I love it when some tool interrupts the thread to call bullshit when he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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he he, and to add to that, personnaly i wouldt really want a full auto anyway, the single shot is OUTSTANDING,

tinfoil Wrote or was it TXMACHINEGUNDLR ??? I can't tell. :)
> Many independent gun dealers can find both for you
> a price. Now before people start yelling “YOU CANT
> OWN FULLY-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS IN THE US!!!!” you
> can, all you need is a license from the ATF. IT
> takes some time and around $500.00 for and the
> proper forms filled out, and like $150 (?) a year
> for renewal.
> You'll need a Class III permit plus the $4K, but
> that'll get you pretty close to the real thing.


You don't need a license to own a title II gun, just a 200 dollar tax stamp. Yes, you can go your route and become an SOT and pay yearly fees of 500 or more as I am unsure of the cost today. (didn't it just increase?)

And tinfoil must have never shot a full auto because one you have you never go back. :D You just get poorer.

dont get me wrong its a lot of fun but as accurate as me pissing in the snow.

what you people have to understand is that if you want you gonna get it, hell if i had enough land i would buy a mortar, now that would be fun

mgnut Wrote:

>
> And tinfoil must have never shot a full auto
> because one you have you never go back. :D You
> just get poorer.

WTF are you talking about? All full auto is good for is area targets and wasting ammo. It sounds like tinfoil is into sharpshooting, not really something you can do on auto.

Furfur Wrote:
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> mgnut Wrote:
>
> >
> > And tinfoil must have never shot a full auto
> > because one you have you never go back. :D
> You
> > just get poorer.
>
> WTF are you talking about? All full auto is good
> for is area targets and wasting ammo. It sounds
> like tinfoil is into sharpshooting, not really
> something you can do on auto.

Right on the money! We had a saying in Nam in regards to full auto.
"If you run out of ammo, don't bother asking for some of mine"

Full auto is a blast for the novelty of it, I personally wouldn't go through the hassle or pay the money to have some guns capable of it, but that's just me.

I miss the good ol' days when my father would take me to the police range when I came home on leave (he's a retired cop, last five years spent as a firearms instructor for the dept) and I would literally walk through the armory where they kept confiscated weapons with a shopping cart and pick which toys I wanted to play with for the day. So much fun, I've shot an MP5, MP40, CAR-15, Chinese AK, M4, and a M1928A1 Thompson. Ahh, I miss it. :(

Apples and Oranges...

In actual combat vs recreational shooting, there is a big difference. Of course you don't blast away if its for real.

Recreational shooting, just blasting away is fun and addictive.

I've said no more tax stamps many times but I have another one pending right now. lol.

NMG Wrote:
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> Ramblin Rambo Redneck Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > notme Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > what does it matter who an owner of a
> business
> > > voted for?
> >
> > What matters is the hypocrisy. Here, you have a
> > dealer who is profiting
> > from the 2nd Amendment while voting for a
> > candidate who is trying to
> > ignore and destroy it.
>
>
> Paranoid bigots are funny. Guns aren't going
> anywhere, you morons are the only ones causing
> shortages.


"Paranoid bigots"? Oh boy, here it comes again, the good old "Race Card". Take you illogical assumptions, and properly shove them in a prompt manner, as you will be doing us all a great favor indeed. While you are at it, might you remove your head from the same aforementioned region?

how any of you can think that full auto is good is crazy yo. if you do like this then you have never target shot. the buzz of shooting comes from accuracy, not standing about like a cross between a doped up talibany and rambo, shooting off rounds like an idoit.
if you fire on full auto THE ONLY ROUND THAT WILL HIT THE TARGET IS THE FIRST ONE the rest are a waste of money!

I LOVE the dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka!

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

any one have any experience with Para Ordinance guns?

Obama just signed a bill into law that allows people to carry firearms into National Parks. This has been a long contested issue with gun rights activists and anti-gun democrats.

So... Suck it bitches. Obama just gave gun rights a step forward. Everyone one of you haters should go to BRA and buy a firearm on your knees thanking the owner for voting for Obama.

boredom Wrote:
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> Obama just signed a bill into law that allows
> people to carry firearms into National Parks.
> This has been a long contested issue with gun
> rights activists and anti-gun democrats.
>
> So... Suck it bitches. Obama just gave gun
> rights a step forward. Everyone one of you haters
> should go to BRA and buy a firearm on your knees
> thanking the owner for voting for Obama.

I could almost see BO cringing as he signed it. If he had vetoed the bill
over the gun amendment it would have meant a major battle on the Hill
that he did not want. I would also like to point out that the amendment
was supported by pro-gun Democrats. It doesnt matter to me what he
signed. I still will never patronize BRA as long as Mr. Curtis is the owner.

boredom Wrote:
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> Obama just signed a bill into law that allows
> people to carry firearms into National Parks.
> This has been a long contested issue with gun
> rights activists and anti-gun democrats.
>
> So... Suck it bitches. Obama just gave gun
> rights a step forward. Everyone one of you haters
> should go to BRA and buy a firearm on your knees
> thanking the owner for voting for Obama.


Maybe you missed the memo, but it's not just POTUS Obama who happens to be a hater of the Constitution, we also have the likes of Pelosi, Reid, and many others with whom we must contend.

POTUS Obama can be swayed based upon public discourse on certain issues, but that can easily work for or against us. Look at the stupid "Climate Bill" as an example of such a negative aspect.

BTW, that bill passed with enormous Congressional Approval, so given the aforementioned (i.e., his "Sway Factor"), did you ever truly believe that Obama would go against it at this point in time?

Slim Jim Wrote:
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> boredom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama just signed a bill into law that allows
> > people to carry firearms into National Parks.
> > This has been a long contested issue with gun
> > rights activists and anti-gun democrats.
> >
> > So... Suck it bitches. Obama just gave gun
> > rights a step forward. Everyone one of you
> haters
> > should go to BRA and buy a firearm on your
> knees
> > thanking the owner for voting for Obama.
>
> I could almost see BO cringing as he signed it. If
> he had vetoed the bill
> over the gun amendment it would have meant a major
> battle on the Hill
> that he did not want. I would also like to point
> out that the amendment
> was supported by pro-gun Democrats. It doesnt
> matter to me what he
> signed. I still will never patronize BRA as long
> as Mr. Curtis is the owner.


I completely concur with you on the issue dealing with POTUS Obama, but I must digress over the situation regarding "Blue Ridge Arsenal". I can understand your frustration with the owner, but despite having been a patron of this particular shooting range before, I have actually never met the owner. Those individuals whom I did meet however were quite down-to-earth, and definitely helpful. My concern is more about the Product and/or Customer Service of a business, and much less about the Politics of those running it (Unless of course they happen to be Complete Communists, Fascists, or Radical Fundamentalists, etc.).

I will stay going to BRA, and I will keep my Membership there, so long as the service stays on par with what I expect.

BTW, another major "plus factor" for this particular shooting range has to deal with it being the closest one to where I live.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Furfur Wrote:
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> How is the recoil on the .357 SIG? I heard it has
> about the same stopping power as a 40 S&W.


I honestly can't tell a lot of difference between the two, maybe if I shot one after the other but I don't want to go to a range and switch out barrels on the line...

.357 sig is a very new round so it is more expensive. Supposedly 357 is louder and has more of a muzzle flash than a 40. As far as stopping power they are probably very similar. I've read the 357 penetrates more.

In other words, Republicans are very reluctant to change their minds.

Despite all evidence to the contrary (and several gun/ammo dealers going on record as being annoyed with the scaremongers), there remains a group of 28 percenters convinced Obama is going to take their guns and ammo and be worse than Clinton.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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>
> POTUS Obama can be swayed based upon public
> discourse on certain issues, but that can easily
> work for or against us. Look at the stupid
> "Climate Bill" as an example of such a negative
> aspect.
>
> BTW, that bill passed with enormous Congressional
> Approval, so given the aforementioned (i.e., his
> "Sway Factor"), did you ever truly believe that
> Obama would go against it at this point in time?

Not to go OT, but can you explain the "stupid 'climate bill'" and how it was swayed by public discourse? Last I checked, it was supported by peer reviewed evidence and independent scienctific journal findings. A bunch of scientists said "the earth is startign to warm up." The public said "holy crap, that's not good, I like pandas and kangaroos and not having beach front property in Kansas." Al Gore made a movie and grew a beard. The french gave him an award for his movie. I pointed out that the french also gave hitler and award for his movie and aren't to be trusted. The scientists said "we need to do something." Congress allocated a pile of money to do something.

Anyone have experience with this gun?

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Mofo, you and I are gun twins. Is your 229 black stainless? How do you like the Crimson Trace? I tried both the Lasermax and grips and really appreciate the ease of use of the grips in an unsettled situation.

This thread just stopped me and my wife from buying our first pistol from there. Is it still the same owner?

If you were stopped from buying a gun because of 3 year old posts by idiots ranting about how Obama was going to do away with the 2nd Amendment (particularly considering he's now been President for 4 years and has done no such thing), this site has finally done something food for the community because you obviously shouldn't have a firearm.

ROFL

John876,
Same owner. Same poor service. Still far better options with friendlier staff and liberty-loving management close by:
http://www.virginiaarms.com/
http://www.novaarmament.com/

Place treats you like shit. If you want good experience buying a gun, make the trip to bass pro shop in Ashland va

For a range, NRA is the best. Better customer service

I've been shooting there for years. The staff is professional and the range safety guys are insistent about shooters sticking to the rules. The range consists of partitioned shooter "stalls" with good lighting behind shooters. The target side is more dimly lit for contrast, but I've never had any problems making out the targets.

The store is pretty pricey. There are better deals to be had most everywhere, so I purchase my pistols, ammo, paper targets, elsewhere. Also, bring your own earmuffs. The rental fee for these adds up over time. If you need ammo in a hurry, there's a Walmart at nearby Dulles Expo that stocks all kinds at better prices.

Politics: Fom the previous comments, I see that the NRA is still doing a good job indoctrinating gun owners. I don't know who the owners of BRA voted for and I could care less. With all the other troubles going on in this country, voting solely according to a candidate's policy on firearms seems ridiculous.

Same Owner Wrote:
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> John876,
> Same owner. Same poor service. Still far better
> options with friendlier staff and liberty-loving
> management close by:
> http://www.virginiaarms.com/
> http://www.novaarmament.com/

Same Owner,

Thanks for the info. I've seen virginia arms recommended a couple times now. Going to give them a call today. Thanks.

If any of you asshats still believe "Obama won't touch our guns" after his actions in 2013 then you are too fucking stupid to be allowed outdoors without adult supervision and a leash.

Intelligent Observer of Reality Wrote:
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> If any of you asshats still believe "Obama won't
> touch our guns" after his actions in 2013 then you
> are too fucking stupid to be allowed outdoors
> without adult supervision and a leash.


That dude is the greatest gun and ammo salesman in the History of the united states. That little plan backfired.

http://www.virginiaarms.com/

Pretty impressive website.

VA arms website looks like it was hosted on Geocities. Fuck those guys, they gouged harder than most during the last Panic.

I had called Blue Ride Arsenal on 10/6 to get information about getting my Glock 19 Gen4's ejector fixed and i was told that i needed to have glock send them something saying that i had needed it done. So i called Glock and they told me that they had never been asked to do that. So i called BRA back and i was told that it was warrenty work and that i could bring it in and they would fix it, i asked how much its going to cost to get it fixed and he said its warranty work. So around 11:30am i brought the gun in and said that i was told by glock to bring my gun in because there was a recall on the ejector. The man opened the firearm up and looked at it then said that they would call glock and have the part sent over. Again i asked how much is that going to cost me and i was told that it was warrenty work and glock is going to send the part over. So i left the gun there. At 1:47PM on 10/8 i was called and told that my gun was ready to be picked up. I wen't in and when the man brought my gun he told me that it would be $54.00, i told him i would come back later. I was tricked into thinking that it was going to be fixed free of charge. I emailed Earl Curtis, he was very ignorant and uneducated as he responded and acted as if he was saying we got you. I informed him of the issue and he kept referring to the part as free then he put "We Did give you the part free of charge, Enjoy the sport!" as if he was mocking me. Do not get scammed by them.

Anthony Wrote:
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> I had called Blue Ride Arsenal on 10/6 to get
> information about getting my Glock 19 Gen4's
> ejector fixed and i was told that i needed to have
> glock send them something saying that i had needed
> it done. So i called Glock and they told me that
> they had never been asked to do that. So i called
> BRA back and i was told that it was warrenty work
> and that i could bring it in and they would fix
> it, i asked how much its going to cost to get it
> fixed and he said its warranty work. So around
> 11:30am i brought the gun in and said that i was
> told by glock to bring my gun in because there was
> a recall on the ejector. The man opened the
> firearm up and looked at it then said that they
> would call glock and have the part sent over.
> Again i asked how much is that going to cost me
> and i was told that it was warrenty work and glock
> is going to send the part over. So i left the gun
> there. At 1:47PM on 10/8 i was called and told
> that my gun was ready to be picked up. I wen't in
> and when the man brought my gun he told me that it
> would be $54.00, i told him i would come back
> later. I was tricked into thinking that it was
> going to be fixed free of charge. I emailed Earl
> Curtis, he was very ignorant and uneducated as he
> responded and acted as if he was saying we got
> you. I informed him of the issue and he kept
> referring to the part as free then he put "We Did
> give you the part free of charge, Enjoy the
> sport!" as if he was mocking me. Do not get
> scammed by them.


Do you actually imagine that anyone on this planet gives a shit?
Why don't you go masturbate or something?