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Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 21, 2009 02:53PM
Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have decimated the tree buffer to widen the road for the upcoming 'fast lanes.' My neighborhood is louder now. The area is starting to look like Irvington, New Jersey. Where the hell are the sound barriers?
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: January 21, 2009 03:02PM
Yeah, Tysons looks pretty weird now with all the trees cut down near the 7/Beltway overpass. Sort of a shame, but I sorta like the change and like the way you can see everything now.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Local Man
()
Date: January 21, 2009 03:11PM
fuck trees what have they ever done for us
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
HOT Lanes
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Date: January 21, 2009 04:22PM
Sound walls will be installed along a majority of the HOT lanes, if that's what you're talking about. Not quite the same as trees, but at least a buffer.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Bonfire
()
Date: January 21, 2009 04:30PM
Fairfax policy since the early 80's is to remove trees with prejudice!! If its green and nice looking, count on a strip mall
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2009 04:38PM
Sound walls suck. They don't work. They just block the traffic from view.
Regarding that houses, though, they are right on top of the ramps, especially where 495 merges into 66 westbound. Glad I don't live there. Sound walls will be totally useless.
Regarding that houses, though, they are right on top of the ramps, especially where 495 merges into 66 westbound. Glad I don't live there. Sound walls will be totally useless.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
jimW
()
Date: January 21, 2009 05:12PM
I saw in the post that sound walls cost $1 million/mile.
sounds pretty cheap.
sounds pretty cheap.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: January 21, 2009 06:21PM
People should have seen this coming when they bought a house next to an interstate that has been heavily in need of widening since 1995 or so. I mean, sure it will take a long time for anything to get done, but it happens eventually, what did they expect?
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Awakened
()
Date: January 21, 2009 06:39PM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 07:32PM by Awakened.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 07:32PM by Awakened.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Suburbanite
()
Date: January 21, 2009 07:49PM
Sound walls make a HUGE difference, especially for the homes closest. It also gives the homes some privacy from the passing cars.
Walls will go up near the end of construction to provide a buffer between the highway and the homes.
I agree, you should be prepared for the trees to go away at some point when you live next the highway, but then, unless you own the trees, you should be prepared for any that surround your home to disappear at any given time.
Progress, and all that.
Walls will go up near the end of construction to provide a buffer between the highway and the homes.
I agree, you should be prepared for the trees to go away at some point when you live next the highway, but then, unless you own the trees, you should be prepared for any that surround your home to disappear at any given time.
Progress, and all that.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 21, 2009 08:00PM
Its not just just the houses immediately on the highway. I live within 1.5 miles and I can hear the difference with the trees. Screw the people in the cars they do not need a view, the people near the highway pay taxes and need some privacy.
Perhaps those that moved near the highway actually thought the road might someday be widened for mass transit rather than more cars. Should the people 3 miles away assume that in 25 years the highway will be 25 lanes wide?!? If we keep widening the roads rather than learning to move people efficiently, that is what we will need...
Perhaps those that moved near the highway actually thought the road might someday be widened for mass transit rather than more cars. Should the people 3 miles away assume that in 25 years the highway will be 25 lanes wide?!? If we keep widening the roads rather than learning to move people efficiently, that is what we will need...
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
HIJACKER
()
Date: January 21, 2009 09:47PM
It's time to stack our highways...
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
WashingToneLocian
()
Date: January 21, 2009 11:05PM
Suburbanite Wrote:
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> Sound walls make a HUGE difference, especially for
> the homes closest. It also gives the homes some
> privacy from the passing cars.
>
> Walls will go up near the end of construction to
> provide a buffer between the highway and the
> homes.
>
> I agree, you should be prepared for the trees to
> go away at some point when you live next the
> highway, but then, unless you own the trees, you
> should be prepared for any that surround your home
> to disappear at any given time.
>
> Progress, and all that.
I lived in an apartment next to a sound wall near I-66 for six months. I can honestly say it was like having no barrier at all. The fucking cars sounded like they were in the living room morning, noon and night. The amount of dust generated by the road (from worn tires and brake pads) was horrendous. We had to dusk every day and it still accumulated like crazy.
Anybody who buys next to an Interstate like I-66 or I-95 is crazy. I especially think the guy who built that house across from Oakton High School that has I-66 for its backyard is completely out of his mind.
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> Sound walls make a HUGE difference, especially for
> the homes closest. It also gives the homes some
> privacy from the passing cars.
>
> Walls will go up near the end of construction to
> provide a buffer between the highway and the
> homes.
>
> I agree, you should be prepared for the trees to
> go away at some point when you live next the
> highway, but then, unless you own the trees, you
> should be prepared for any that surround your home
> to disappear at any given time.
>
> Progress, and all that.
I lived in an apartment next to a sound wall near I-66 for six months. I can honestly say it was like having no barrier at all. The fucking cars sounded like they were in the living room morning, noon and night. The amount of dust generated by the road (from worn tires and brake pads) was horrendous. We had to dusk every day and it still accumulated like crazy.
Anybody who buys next to an Interstate like I-66 or I-95 is crazy. I especially think the guy who built that house across from Oakton High School that has I-66 for its backyard is completely out of his mind.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: January 22, 2009 12:42AM
Fuck the trees. Burn down that green shit. We got a million of them anyway.
...
I'm kind of drunk, so you may not want to go completely by what I've just said here.
...
I'm kind of drunk, so you may not want to go completely by what I've just said here.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Suburbanite
()
Date: January 22, 2009 02:10AM
WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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>
> I lived in an apartment next to a sound wall near
> I-66 for six months. I can honestly say it was
> like having no barrier at all. The fucking cars
> sounded like they were in the living room morning,
> noon and night. The amount of dust generated by
> the road (from worn tires and brake pads) was
> horrendous. We had to dusk every day and it still
> accumulated like crazy.
>
> Anybody who buys next to an Interstate like I-66
> or I-95 is crazy. I especially think the guy who
> built that house across from Oakton High School
> that has I-66 for its backyard is completely out
> of his mind.
Unless you've lived in those same apartments both before and after a barrier went up, you have no idea the difference. It doesn't eliminate the noise, but it does dampen it considerably. I lived in Centreville next to the highway and it was amazing the difference after they put a wall. Yes, you can still hear the traffic, but not anywhere near as loudly as before the wall.
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>
> I lived in an apartment next to a sound wall near
> I-66 for six months. I can honestly say it was
> like having no barrier at all. The fucking cars
> sounded like they were in the living room morning,
> noon and night. The amount of dust generated by
> the road (from worn tires and brake pads) was
> horrendous. We had to dusk every day and it still
> accumulated like crazy.
>
> Anybody who buys next to an Interstate like I-66
> or I-95 is crazy. I especially think the guy who
> built that house across from Oakton High School
> that has I-66 for its backyard is completely out
> of his mind.
Unless you've lived in those same apartments both before and after a barrier went up, you have no idea the difference. It doesn't eliminate the noise, but it does dampen it considerably. I lived in Centreville next to the highway and it was amazing the difference after they put a wall. Yes, you can still hear the traffic, but not anywhere near as loudly as before the wall.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 22, 2009 11:47AM
story from the summer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/24/ST2008062400995.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/24/ST2008062400995.html
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: January 22, 2009 11:50AM
Suburbanite Wrote:
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>
>
> Unless you've lived in those same apartments both
> before and after a barrier went up, you have no
> idea the difference. It doesn't eliminate the
> noise, but it does dampen it considerably. I
> lived in Centreville next to the highway and it
> was amazing the difference after they put a wall.
> Yes, you can still hear the traffic, but not
> anywhere near as loudly as before the wall.
I can't compare it, but I would find it hard to believe that concrete walls have much in the way of a sound dampening effect, especially compared to a thick wall of trees.
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>
>
> Unless you've lived in those same apartments both
> before and after a barrier went up, you have no
> idea the difference. It doesn't eliminate the
> noise, but it does dampen it considerably. I
> lived in Centreville next to the highway and it
> was amazing the difference after they put a wall.
> Yes, you can still hear the traffic, but not
> anywhere near as loudly as before the wall.
I can't compare it, but I would find it hard to believe that concrete walls have much in the way of a sound dampening effect, especially compared to a thick wall of trees.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: January 22, 2009 12:14PM
Concrete is a great sound reflector, but pretty shitty at absorbing sound.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: January 22, 2009 01:02PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Concrete is a great sound reflector, but pretty
> shitty at absorbing sound.
The problem is it reflects the sound back onto asphalt roads and other concrete barriers on the other side of the Interstate. To me it sounded like an echo-chamber. I think any improvement in noise abatement would be marginal, relatively speaking.
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> Concrete is a great sound reflector, but pretty
> shitty at absorbing sound.
The problem is it reflects the sound back onto asphalt roads and other concrete barriers on the other side of the Interstate. To me it sounded like an echo-chamber. I think any improvement in noise abatement would be marginal, relatively speaking.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: January 22, 2009 01:30PM
WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concrete is a great sound reflector, but pretty
> > shitty at absorbing sound.
>
>
> The problem is it reflects the sound back onto
> asphalt roads and other concrete barriers on the
> other side of the Interstate. To me it sounded
> like an echo-chamber. I think any improvement in
> noise abatement would be marginal, relatively
> speaking.
And you'd be right. It's the equivalent of a big parking garage, sans roof. Not good for getting rid of sound, but really good at re-directing it.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Concrete is a great sound reflector, but pretty
> > shitty at absorbing sound.
>
>
> The problem is it reflects the sound back onto
> asphalt roads and other concrete barriers on the
> other side of the Interstate. To me it sounded
> like an echo-chamber. I think any improvement in
> noise abatement would be marginal, relatively
> speaking.
And you'd be right. It's the equivalent of a big parking garage, sans roof. Not good for getting rid of sound, but really good at re-directing it.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Annon Imous
()
Date: January 22, 2009 01:47PM
Do I sense another Aston Kutcher movie in the works?
"Dude, where's my trees?"
"Dude, where's my trees?"
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Imous Annon
()
Date: January 22, 2009 08:45PM
They should just build tunnels. Or put better sound deadening in houses.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: January 23, 2009 02:48AM
uneven surfaces can't evenly reflect sound. The effect of having those barriers would be to throw sound off into the netherworld in various directions, hitting some reflecting objects and in other cases harmlessly going away into the nothingness of air.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
RESton Peace
()
Date: January 23, 2009 02:50AM
also, the more modern barriers are not just concrete. They can be made of various composite materials, and can have multiple layers. Multiple layers of different materials is usually a great sound absorber.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: January 24, 2009 02:20AM
dono Wrote:
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> Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> decimated the tree buffer to widen the road for
> the upcoming 'fast lanes.' My neighborhood is
> louder now. The area is starting to look like
> Irvington, New Jersey. Where the hell are the
> sound barriers?
you really are a shining star for the educational system. you should look up the meaning of decimate before using it again.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> decimated the tree buffer to widen the road for
> the upcoming 'fast lanes.' My neighborhood is
> louder now. The area is starting to look like
> Irvington, New Jersey. Where the hell are the
> sound barriers?
you really are a shining star for the educational system. you should look up the meaning of decimate before using it again.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 24, 2009 11:21AM
Gravis Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> > the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> > decimated the tree buffer to widen the road for
> > the upcoming 'fast lanes.' My neighborhood is
> > louder now. The area is starting to look like
> > Irvington, New Jersey. Where the hell are the
> > sound barriers?
>
> you really are a shining star for the educational
> system. you should look up the meaning of
> decimate before using it again.
decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or proportion of
my diction in this case is perfect. were you drunk when you flamed me or what?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2009 11:36AM by dono.
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> > the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> > decimated the tree buffer to widen the road for
> > the upcoming 'fast lanes.' My neighborhood is
> > louder now. The area is starting to look like
> > Irvington, New Jersey. Where the hell are the
> > sound barriers?
>
> you really are a shining star for the educational
> system. you should look up the meaning of
> decimate before using it again.
decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or proportion of
my diction in this case is perfect. were you drunk when you flamed me or what?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2009 11:36AM by dono.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: January 24, 2009 01:36PM
dono Wrote:
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> decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or
> proportion of
>
> my diction in this case is perfect. were you
> drunk when you flamed me or what?
pulling a vince i see.
dono Wrote:
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> Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> decimated the tree buffer
the "tree buffer" was completely removed at your portion of the "tree buffer" not part of the portion, right? it was eliminated, not decimated.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or
> proportion of
>
> my diction in this case is perfect. were you
> drunk when you flamed me or what?
pulling a vince i see.
Quote
dec⋅i⋅mate
/ˈdɛsəˌmeɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [des-uh-meyt] Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -mat⋅ed, -mat⋅ing.
1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague.
2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person of.
3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.
dono Wrote:
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> Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> decimated the tree buffer
the "tree buffer" was completely removed at your portion of the "tree buffer" not part of the portion, right? it was eliminated, not decimated.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 24, 2009 02:03PM
Gravis Wrote:
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or
> > proportion of
> >
> > my diction in this case is perfect. were you
> > drunk when you flamed me or what?
>
> pulling a vince i see.
>
> dec⋅i⋅mate
>
> /ˈdɛsəˌmeɪt/ Show
> Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
> –verb (used with object), -mat⋅ed,
> -mat⋅ing.
> 1. to destroy a great number or proportion of:
> The population was decimated by a plague.
> 2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person
> of.
> 3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.
>
> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> > the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> > decimated the tree buffer
>
>
> the "tree buffer" was completely removed at your
> portion of the "tree buffer" not part of the
> portion, right? it was eliminated, not decimated.
they decimated it you idiot. Did they remove every single tree - I dont think so but they did destroy a great number. They also destroyed a great proportion (that would also include 100% or elimination). Not only are you a language troll.
You are simply wrong.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2009 02:05PM by dono.
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> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > decimate - verb - to destroy a great number or
> > proportion of
> >
> > my diction in this case is perfect. were you
> > drunk when you flamed me or what?
>
> pulling a vince i see.
>
> dec⋅i⋅mate
>
> /ˈdɛsəˌmeɪt/ Show
> Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
> –verb (used with object), -mat⋅ed,
> -mat⋅ing.
> 1. to destroy a great number or proportion of:
> The population was decimated by a plague.
> 2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person
> of.
> 3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.
>
> dono Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Every time I drive along the Fairfax portion of
> > the Beltway I cringe at the fact that they have
> > decimated the tree buffer
>
>
> the "tree buffer" was completely removed at your
> portion of the "tree buffer" not part of the
> portion, right? it was eliminated, not decimated.
they decimated it you idiot. Did they remove every single tree - I dont think so but they did destroy a great number. They also destroyed a great proportion (that would also include 100% or elimination). Not only are you a language troll.
You are simply wrong.Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2009 02:05PM by dono.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
FUNdamental
()
Date: January 24, 2009 07:02PM
Bonfire Wrote:
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> Fairfax policy since the early 80's is to remove
> trees with prejudice!! If its green and nice
> looking, count on a strip mall
I guess this is the same policy that requires a stoplight at every intersetion where there is there is a 7-11 on one side of the street?
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> Fairfax policy since the early 80's is to remove
> trees with prejudice!! If its green and nice
> looking, count on a strip mall
I guess this is the same policy that requires a stoplight at every intersetion where there is there is a 7-11 on one side of the street?
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 24, 2009 08:28PM
bump to embarrass the moron Gravis
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
tubby
()
Date: January 24, 2009 09:23PM
It pisses me off that the State of Virginia is letting some fucking Aussie outfit tear up all those trees and fuck up traffic for years.
I hope the Aussies have vastly OVER estimated how many people would pay 20 bucks to get to Tyson's Corner a little quicker....and they lose their asses on the project.
I hope the Aussies have vastly OVER estimated how many people would pay 20 bucks to get to Tyson's Corner a little quicker....and they lose their asses on the project.
Re: Dude - where did my trees go?
Posted by:
dono
()
Date: January 24, 2009 09:56PM
tubby Wrote:
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> It pisses me off that the State of Virginia is
> letting some fucking Aussie outfit tear up all
> those trees and fuck up traffic for years.
>
> I hope the Aussies have vastly OVER estimated how
> many people would pay 20 bucks to get to Tyson's
> Corner a little quicker....and they lose their
> asses on the project.
Sorry to tell you but VA has promised the Aussies a return. If peps dont pay on the road you and I will fill their pockets anyway...
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> It pisses me off that the State of Virginia is
> letting some fucking Aussie outfit tear up all
> those trees and fuck up traffic for years.
>
> I hope the Aussies have vastly OVER estimated how
> many people would pay 20 bucks to get to Tyson's
> Corner a little quicker....and they lose their
> asses on the project.
Sorry to tell you but VA has promised the Aussies a return. If peps dont pay on the road you and I will fill their pockets anyway...